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The Church of England considers a celibate person of homosexual orientation to be eligible for ordination, even if the person has entered into a civil same-sex partnership, noting “The Church should not collude with the present assumptions of society that all close relationships necessarily include sexual activity.

[Church of England News, 25 July 2005. House of Bishops issues pastoral statement on Civil Partnerships. Retrieved 18 July 2007.]

Last week those who follow matters of the ecclesiastical variety would have been stunned to learn that the House of Laity – part of the General Synod of the Church of England – killed a twelve year effort to allow women to elevate to the position of bishop. There is the ridiculous situation developing where the David Cameron government is considering repealing equalitarian legislation to force the Church of England to accept women to perform in the role of bishop.  The Church of England is answerable to the UK parliament which makes the decision to block women from attaining bishophood the more intriguing given its declared position on human rights.

Puzzling to BU is the fact that homosexual male priests who swear to celibacy are allowed to serve at all levels in the Church of England.  How is it the decision by the Church of England is liberal on the issue of homosexual male priests but diametrically different on heterosexual or homosexual female priests being given the opportunity to serve in the role of bishop? A glaring inconsistency!

The other source of puzzlement is that last year Prime Minister David Cameron threatened Barbados and other Commonwealth countries that UK will withhold aid from countries that have discriminatory homosexual legislation on the books. Cameron sees discrimination against homosexuals as a human rights issue. If he is consistent the decision by the Church of England must be embarrassing to his government. The world will be observing closely how the Cameron government reacts to the decision last week by the Church of England.

The Church of England is also under pressure that the redefinition of marriage may create another divide in the Church of England.  There is no guarantee the exemption promised will be realised. The obvious conflict which presiding over same sex marriages would cause does not make for easy decisions for the Church.


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  1. “Harpur assigns late dates of authorship to the Gospel accounts in an attempt to reduce their credibility as literal history. He says that their “full witness” wasn’t established until sometime between 140 and 170 A.D.[14] This is a misleading statement. According to Robert Bowman, even non-conservative dating for the authorship of all four Gospels places them all between the 60’s and 90’s A.D. Harpur may be referring to the earliest date for when the Gospels are known to have been circulating together. It is unclear why a second century compilation of the Gospels (if that assertion is even accurate), in Harpur’s opinion, reduces their reliability as literal history. It is commonly held that the accounts were brought together as a four-fold Gospel very early in the second century; the harmony and common information in the four accounts is strong evidence that the writers weren’t independently piecing together mythology from various Pagan sources.”

    “Ultimately, we can confidently conclude that Jesus Christ was a flesh-and-blood man who walked the earth during the first century. Despite Harpur’s claim to the contrary, credible historians and biblical scholars do not share his view. The Gospel accounts convey a coherent history of Jesus’ life on earth, and the possibility that they circulated independently for a few decades is irrelevant to any argument against their records being literal. First-century extra-biblical evidence supports the biblical history and has convinced serious scholars of a literal Jesus.”
    htpp://hcchristianwordpress.com


  2. @zoe
    “Ultimately, we can confidently conclude…”

    herein lies the multiple problems of religious debate spanning the centuries and now the blogs. Conclusion flows from logic and observation, both of which are conveniently skirted or misrepresented in the name of faith and belief.

    Just observing.


  3. The Internet Portal To The Most Important And Profound Truth In Human History

    Historical Documentation, Contemporary Miracles, Video Footage, And Further Evidence For Jesus

    “Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves.” John 14:11 (NIV)

    EVIDENCE FOR THE SUPERNATURAL THROUGH JESUS CHRIST

    Healings of HIV/Aids and terminal illnesses, and the dead raised!
    There are numerous reports around the world of the power of God operating through prayer in the name of Jesus Christ happening today. God wants to reveal Jesus Christ as the only way to Heaven through a demonstration of who He is with the operation of signs, wonders, and miracles. These are just a few of many examples from some of the world’s evangelistic ministries, and you can expect regular updates too because “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.” Hebrews 13: 8 (KJV) If you want to see more reports of God’s miraculous interventions then check out more of our pages. The evidence for Jesus Christ is truly overwhelming and demands a profound choice for each one of us!

    Ethiopian Lady Ex-Muslim Raised From The Dead
    Footage from The 700 Club about Fatuma Shubisa

    NOTE: From Zoe, I’m having problems embedding this Video to BU, click the link at end, and see it for yourselves!

    Pastor Raised From The Dead!

    This miracle occured at a crusade of evangelist Reinhard Bonnke’s Christ For All Nations Ministries. http://www.cfan.org

    This is the death certificate of a man subsequently raised from the dead through the power of Jesus Christ as a result of the prayer of faith.

    (For source material refer to the CFAN website and cbn.com) On November 30, 2001 Pastor Daniel Ekechukwu’s brakes failed and his car slammed into a concrete pillar. He had had an argument with his wife that had arisen as a result of a misunderstanding. He was rushed to a Nigerian hospital. His condition was very serious.

    For some reason, Daniel wanted doctors to transfer him to another hospital. The doctors warned that the trip would kill himand they proved to be accurate. Daniel’s wife remembers her husband’s dying words.

    “My husband called to me and told me that I should take care of the children and the ministry. He said he had built a house for me, and that I should not worry. I should take care of everybody. He said that there are some people who are called to go quick (to die early) and that he was among them,” Ekechukwu said.

    Daniel died on the way to the second hospital. He was rushed to a Nigerian clinic where Dr. Josse Annebunwa was working.

    “I was told he was involved in a motor accident in Onitsha, Nigeria. When I examined him, I looked at the chest and there were no respiratory movements. I listened with the stethoscope and there were no breath sounds. I searched the heart and cardiovascular system, but there were no sounds. The patient had no pulse. I looked at the eyes – the pupils were fixed and dilated. I came to the conclusion right away that the patient was dead and that he should be removed to the mortuary,” Annebunwa said.

    Mortician Barlington R. Mann remembers when Daniel’s father and wife brought his body into the mortuary.

    “There was no life in him, no heartbeat, and no signs of breathing,” said mortician Barlington R. Mann. “I accepted him as a corpse. After checking these things, I checked all around the body and everything was stiff. That is what gave us the conviction to start our embalming procedure. I sent him into the second room and put him on the last slab.”

    For three days, Daniel’s body lay there, in the embalming room which was open-air. During that time the body was prepared for burial including embalming. While they waited for the funeral, Daniel’s wife began to argue with God.

    “I began to call on the name of the Lord. I wanted to remind God of His promises,” she said. “One verse that inspired me was Hebrew 11:35: ‘Women received their dead bodies to life.’ The moment I read this verse it strengthened me to hold God firm and act.”

    Three days after Daniel’s death, his wife decided to act in faith. She had heard about a meeting nearby where miracles were occuring, a Reinhard Bonnke service. She went to collect her husband’s body.

    “Before I could come they had the casket ready,” she said. “The moment they put him in I ran inside the ambulance with my son and his brother, and we started coming down to this place. And I asked somebody if Bonnke had come.”

    Within a short time they arrived at the Reinhard Bonnke service, and asked if they could bring Daniel’s body in for prayer.

    “I felt that the anointing would be so strong there and that the anointing would resurrect my husband,” Daniel’s wife said.

    “They came up to me and I told them that it would be an embarrassment to bring a corpse inside a church,” said one of the workers at the Bonnke service. “We realized that whatever we do and wherever we are God is present. If God wants to perform a miracle for the man, the place where the man is does not really matter.”

    They carried Daniel’s dead body into the basement where the service was being held. They laid his body across two tables, and several pastors began praying for him.

    “As we were praying,” said one of the pastors, “suddenly we saw the eyes started to move and life started coming in. I said to my friend, Pastor Luke, ‘You know, they say that he was three days in the mortuary. Let us massage him.’ So he was there, massaging the right hand. And I was massaging the left hand. We were squeezing it, making sure that life returned. We found out that as we were praying the heart started to become hot. He was breathing, and we started massaging the hands. As we massaged the hands suddenly it seemed that life came into the hands, and we put his hands on his chest. I massaged the neck and life came into it. I was able to turn it.”

    The pastors around him continued to massage his body because after three days in the mortuary, rigor mortis had set in. As they were doing this, suddenly Daniel jumped to his feet to the amazement of every onlooker! The pastors were unsure what to do next.

    “I said let’s take him upstairs, and we followed the stairway upstairs. At the end of the step he said, ‘water, water.’ He was asking for water. I shouted, ‘Bring water, bring water, lets get him water!’ People thronged and suddenly we saw people coming from the outside. It seemed that the news went out and people came in. People came in and they saw the dead man sitting down.”

    Daniel had been raised from the dead!

    His resurrection account spread quickly. Subsequently, Daniel began to share about his experiences during death. He spoke about a journey with an angel who allowed him to visit both heaven and hell.

    “He told me we are going to visit paradise,” Daniel said. “So we visited a place. When we approached the place I saws multitudes of people that looked exactly like the one with me, that angel that was with me. The angel with me wore white apparel. The body was pure white. The apparel was pure white, but the apparel did not look removable from the body. When I saw this crowd they looked exactly like the one with me. In my heart I said, ‘ look at where the angels gather.’”

    “After that he then said, ‘Let us go and visit the mansion that Jesus promised.’ He (the angel) now took me to a wonderful place. In fact, what I saw there, I do not have any words to describe it. It was so glorious. It was a very wonderful mansion. You could look at the building and it would look like glass or look like gold or whatever. Even the flowers there looked like gold.

    “Then the angel said, ‘Now let us visit hell.’ In the twinkle of an eye, we found ourselves in the place. Immediately the gate opened. I started hearing lamentation. So I looked inside and I saw people like us here. They were putting on some clothes.

    They had the same flesh; some are black and some are white. They just looked like us. They were shouting – there was a lot of pain, a lot of torment. It was to the extent that immediately when the gate was opened, it was if they were seeing me.

    They were asking me for help, shouting. And I remember one. He was shouting. ‘I am a pastor, I only stole church money and I am ready to refund it immediately.’ He just said he was ready to refund it and that I should help. There was a force that was tormenting them. I never saw any fire there and I never saw any flames in hell, but the torment there looks as if the people are inside fire.

    At that point the angel declared something to Daniel that caused him to experience fear. He told Daniel that he deserved to be in hell too!

    “So while I was shouting and asking the angel for help, that I have another chance to go back, he mentioned this: that the request of the rich man in hell had been granted to this generation. I did not understand it.

    It was later, when I woke up and read the Bible, that I realized what the request was. The rich man (in Luke 16) was requesting, that a dead man should be sent back to the world. So he just said that the request of the rich man had been granted to this generation for the last warning. He said to me that he is giving me an opportunity to go back for the last warning to this generation,” Daniel said.

    Daniel continues to testify of his experiences to warn people about Hell, and show them the reality of Jesus Christ as Saviour and Lord.
    http://www.jesusevidence.org


  4. Dear Zoe: So Daniel Ekechukwu was dead in an open air mortuary in the tropical heat for 3 days and the body (before the miracle) did not start to decay? I can tell you that if a dog is killed where I live also in the thirty degree tropical head, it is rotten, juicing, covered with flies and stinking up the place way, way before day 3.

    The tropical heat does nasty, nasty, things to a dead body.


  5. Your account sounds just like those emails I receive every, day form wealthy African widows who are dying of cancer, and who wish to give me their millions. I ALWAYS hit the delete button.

    You mean all this time I should have been sending them my home address, my home and work, emails and telephone numbers, and my bank account number to that I can receive the milloins.

    Dear Zoe: Shall I send them my PIN number also?


  6. And cheeze on bread!!!! The angels white.

    I was kinda hoping to find some black like me angels in heaven, ’cause we are all God’s chillun?

    Ain’t we?


  7. @ “some are black”

    So Daniel Ekechukwu a presumably black Nigerian did not see any black people or black angels in heaven. But as soon as he got to the gate of hell gate he saw some black people.

    Well, well, well.


  8. Why you don’t behave yourself Simple Simon….?
    …you going make Zoe post about ten encyclopedias of cut and paste now…. 🙂
    ….seems like a lotta pastors down In the heat…. 🙁


  9. the last man who stoked the fire and burnt people to a crisp on this earth is not well thought of .by all accounts of the bible version of hell those who do not accept jesus as Lord and personnel Saviour would be meted the save fate of fire and to come to think of it some of those people was already cast into fire while on earth. talking about bad luck or predestination.


  10. @Simple Simon, Are you really that ‘Simple’ Simon?

    “For three days, Daniel’s body lay there, in the embalming room which was open-air. During that time the body was prepared for burial including embalming. While they waited for the funeral, Daniel’s wife began to argue with God.”

    “For three days, Daniel’s body lay there, (Where?) IN the EMBALMING room…During that TIME (within the three days) the BODY WAS PREPARED for burial INCLUDING EMBALMING….”

    Does that sound, Simple Simon, like if the body was left unattended to rot, smell, like a DOG in the street? Hardly!

    Maybe, yes, Simple Simon, you should give your PIN number!


  11. Thanks Zoe. I’ll give them my PIN number tomorrow. Shall I post the same information here on this blog so that you have it too?


  12. Account number: 2589003
    PIN number 07641


  13. What Color Is God? The Use Of Color In Bible Symbolism

    The law of color combination of pigments states the following: There are three primary colors from which all other colors can be made.

    The primary colors are red, blue and yellow.
    Purple is a combination of red and blue.
    Green is a combination of yellow and blue.
    Orange is a combination of yellow and red.
    White is a combination of all colors – red, blue and yellow.
    Black is the absence of any color.

    So we will look at how God uses color in the sanctuary and we will also look at the science of color in nature to demonstrate the attributes of God. Here is a summary. RYB: The Subtractive Color System Summary of The Colors and Their Meanings
    Color Meaning Comment
    Red Sacrifice, mercy, life Christ is the Lamb of God
    Orange Comforter, teacher, companion Combines the work of Love in relation to the merits of the sacrifice as a Healer and Restorer and Teacher of righteousness.
    Yellow Character, fruit The work of the Holy Spirit is to bear the fruits of God in us – of these the greatest is to love. Our character is described as “gold tried in the fire”
    Green King, kingdom of God Combines the work of law in relation to love.
    Blue Law The Father sits on the sapphire throne from which the stones for the law were taken
    Purple Priest, defender, lawyer Combines the work of sacrifice in relation to the breaking of the law
    Subtractive color systems start with light. It explains the mixing of natural colorants (dyes, paints and inks). Color is perceived by subtracting some colors and reflecting others.

    Sin is not reflecting all the light. White Righteousness Love. Perfection of all characters and principles before God. Knowledge of God.
    Black Sin, evil The absence of the light of God. Separation from God.

    The primary colors appear to represent the core attributes or character of God.

    The secondary colors appear to represent the roles of God as He seeks to reconcile one character to another within us.

    The colors black and white, represent the status of man as we reject or accept the colors of God.

    Just as He uses numbers prophetically and symbolically, God uses colors symbolically in the sanctuary, its services and in the prophecies.
    By looking at the colors and combinations and their symbols a pattern emerges. By examining the roles assigned to the members of the Trinity and the use of color in the bible, one can speculate about the meanings of the secondary colors and how the combination of primary colors interact to demonstrate a truth.

    The Bible teaches that it is valid to look at nature to learn about God. And it also teaches that everyone has some internal knowledge of God that is convincing and they also have “a measure of faith” (Romans 12: 3).
    Because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. (Romans 1: 19-20)

    And according to the Psalms. The heavens are telling the Glory of God and their expanse shows the work of His handiwork. Day to day they speak and night to night reveals knowledge. (Psalm 19: 1-2)

    We will examine nature and the science of color combination to learn about God.
    http://www.teachinghearts.org

    NOTE: The colour of a man’s SKIN, be it White, Black, Brown, or Yellow, has NOTHING to do with his eternal destiny, be it Heaven or Hell, that is determined by his CHOICE, in either ACCEPTING or REJECTING Christ, as personal Saviour and Lord.


  14. @Simple Simon, Sorry, I do not need your PIN or your money, What I HAVE in Jesus, NO amount of MONEY can BUY!

    It WAS already PAID IN FULL, by Jesus on the Cross, when He died, and said, “IT IS FINISHED” from the Greek word, ‘Tetalestai’ meaning PAID IN FULL!


  15. NOTE: The colour of a man’s SKIN, be it White, Black, Brown, or Yellow, has NOTHING to do with his eternal destiny, be it Heaven or Hell, that is determined by his CHOICE, in either ACCEPTING or REJECTING Christ, as personal Saviour and Lord.

    ***********************************************************
    No according to the Mormons.


  16. Dear Zoe:

    It is a real pity that the German Reinhard Bonnke doesn not use his powers to raise from the dead the Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals and others that his parents generation killed in the Holocaust. The Germans of Bonnke’s parents generation killed hundreds of thousands of little children. Tell him to go back to Germany and Poland and other places in Europe and raise these people up.

    If the Allies (including my own father) had not won World War 2, the German’s of Bonnke’s parents generation were coming for black people like me and Zoe next. And Zoe would not be here to write foolishness on this blog.

    Stupid man.


  17. Simple Simon | November 28, 2012 at 7:59 AM |
    Dear Zoe:

    “It is a real pity that the German Reinhard Bonnke doesn not use his powers (to raise from the dead the Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals and others that his parents generation killed in the Holocaust.) The Germans of Bonnke’s parents generation (killed hundreds of thousands of little children. Tell him to go back to Germany and Poland and other places in Europe and raise these people up.) THEY WILL all be RAISED, Resurrected, ‘Some to everlasting LIFE, Some to SHAME and EVERLASTING contempt” IN God’s perfect TIME! (Dan. 12:2; Rev. 22:10)

    If the Allies (including my own father) had not won World War 2, the German’s of Bonnke’s parents generation were coming for black people like me and Zoe next. And Zoe would not be here to write foolishness on this blog.

    Stupid man.”

    Simple Simon, you ARE so IGNORANT, (lacking knowledge and understanding) in these matters!


  18. God has nothing to do with Religions, Prophecies, Wars and mankind
    although (s)he can inspire mankind communicating via ideas and music

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    millertheanunnaki

    @ Amused | November 27, 2012 at 1:08 PM |

    Your take or understanding of “Divine Trinity” is basically intact especially the part of the golden penis. (Trust you are not carrying in your ancestral genome any ‘golden’ strands of Osiris’s physiological DNA because that would make you closely related to the miller especially in our star-like mutual admiration for MAM’ s intellectual brilliance and political acumen. LOL!!)

    But similar comparisons of Jesus with other Christ-like figures of much older religions can also be made. If we move away from the classic Egyptian books of myths and legends we can incorporate the Hindu religion- a religion carrying similar narratives on myths and legends found on the pages of many books on Egyptology and even Zoroastrianism- on into the comparative analysis to show that the Christianity is a copy cat religion like its recently born brother Islam.

    FYI and Zoe’s enlightenment: Sorry about the cut & paste, folks.

    Hindus believe that Krishna was the eighth “avatar” or incarnation of the god Vishnu – one of the Hindu deities in the Hindu trinity. Hindu scriptures state that Krishna “appeared in all the fullness of his power and glory.” Krishna was born sometime between 900 and 1200 B.C. and his religious teachings can be found in the Bhagavad-Gita, one of the sacred texts in Hinduism. The karmic similarities between Jesus and the Hindu messiah named Krishna (1200 B.C.) are many. There over one hundred similarities between the Hindu and Christian saviors which could easily fill a volume. Some of these similarities are apocryphal which means their source comes from the extra-canonical scriptures of Hinduism.
    Identical Life Experiences
    (1) Krishna was miraculously conceived and born of the Virgin Devaki (“Divine One”) as a divine incarnation.
    (2) He was born at a time when his family had to travel to pay the yearly tax.
    (3) His father was a carpenter yet Krishna was born of royal descent.
    (4) His birth was attended by angels, wise men and shepherds, and he was presented with gifts.
    (5) He was persecuted by a tyrant who ordered the slaughter of thousands of infants who feared that the divine child would supplant his kingdom.
    (6) His father was warned by a heavenly voice to flee the tyrant who sought the death of the child. The child was then saved by friends who fled with them in the night to a distant country. When the tyrant learned that his attempt to kill the child failed, he issued a decree that all the infants in the area be put to death. Writing about Krishna in the eighteenth century, Sir William Jones stated, “In the Sanskrit dictionary, compiled more than two thousand years ago, we have the whole history of the incarnate deity, born of a virgin, and miraculously escaping in infancy from the reigning tyrant of his country.” (Asiatic Researches, Vol. I, p. 273).
    (7) The Bible states that Jesus and family fled to Egypt afterward to escape from King Herod. According to the Christian apocryphal text “the Gospel of the Infancy,” the family traveled to Maturea, Egypt. Krishna was born in Maturea, India, hundreds of years earlier.
    (8) He was baptized in the River Ganges.
    (9) The missions of Krishna and Jesus were the same – the salvation of humanity.
    (10) Krishna worked miracles and wonders such as raising the dead and healing lepers, the deaf and the blind.
    (11) Krishna used parables to teach the people about charity and love.
    (12) Jesus taught his disciples about the possibility of removing a mountain by faith. According to tradition, Krishna raised Mount Goverdhen above his disciples to protect his worshipers from the wrath of Indra.
    (13) “He lived poor and he loved the poor.”
    (14) Krishna washed the feet of the Brahmins and transfigured before his disciples.
    (15) Krishna’s teachings and Jesus’ teachings were very similar. The celebrated French missionary and traveler, Evarist-Regis Hucv, who made a journey of several thousand miles through China and Tibet, stated, “If we addressed a Mogul or Tibetan this question, ‘Who is Krishna?’ the reply was instantly ‘The savior of men.” According to Robert Cheyne, “All that converting the Hindoos to Christianity does for them is to change the object of their worship from Krishna to Christ.” Appleton’s Cyclopedia says this about the teachings of Krishna: “Its correspondence with the New Testament is indeed striking.”
    (16) There is an extra-canonical Hindu tradition which states that Krishna was crucified. According to some traditions, Krishna died on a tree or was crucified between two thieves.
    (17) He descended to hell, rose bodily from the dead, and ascended to heaven which was witnessed by many.
    (18) Krishna is called the “shepherd god” and “lord of lords,” and was considered “the redeemer, firstborn, sin bearer, liberator, universal Word.”
    (19) He is the second person of the trinity, and proclaimed himself the “resurrection” and the “way to the Father.”
    (20) He was considered the “beginning, the middle and the end,” (“alpha and omega”), as well as being omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent.
    (21) His disciples bestowed upon him the title “Jezeus,” meaning “pure essence.”
    (22) Krishna is to return again riding a white horse to do battle with the “prince of evil,” who will desolate the Earth.


  20. Lets listen to the FACTS re these so-called claims about Horus, and SEE the LIES embedded in these MYTHS, further compounding the MYTH!

    Is Jesus Simply a Retelling of the Horus Myth?
    Would This Bother You?

    There are many atheists who claim that Jesus never really lived. What if I told you that there was once an ancient religion which described God as a being who:

    •Conceived by a virgin mother named Meri, and had a stepfather named Seb (Joseph)
    •Was born in a cave, his birth announced by an angel, heralded by a star and attended by shepherds
    •Attended a special rite of passage at the age of twelve and there is no data on the child
    •from the age of 12 to 30
    •Was baptized in a river at the age of 30, and his baptizer was later beheaded
    •Had 12 disciples
    •Performed miracles, exorcized demons, raised someone from the dead, walked on water
    •Was called “Iusa”, the “ever-becoming son” and the “Holy Child”
    •Delivered a “Sermon on the Mount”, and his followers recounted his sayings
    •Was transfigured on the Mount
    •Was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and was resurrected
    •Called “Way”, “the Truth the Light”, “Messiah”, “God’s Anointed Son”, “Son of Man”, “Good Shepherd”, “Lamb of God”, “Word made flesh”, “Word of Truth”, “the KRST” or “Anointed One”
    •Was “the Fisher” and was associated with the Fish, Lamb and Lion.
    •Came to fulfill the Law, and was supposed to reign one thousand years

    Would you recognize this religious figure? Sound like someone you know? Well, of course, we are describing the figure of Horus!! What, did you think we were talking about Jesus? It sure sounds like Jesus doesn’t it? Would it shake your faith to discover that Horus was an Egyptian god who was worshipped thousands of years before the time of Christ? While Horus is no longer worshipped in our world, there are a number of atheists who are now assembling to argue that Christianity is simply a copycat of previously existing faith systems. Their argument is that Christianity is not true, and that Jesus never lived. He is simply a copied form of deity from a number of pre-existing mythologies!

    Is He Really Like Jesus?

    A first reading of these similarities is startling and for many Christians, these descriptions have caused them to stumble and doubt the true historicity of the man, Jesus Christ. So it’s important for us to examine the truth of these claims of similarity and to also see what the REAL mythologies can tell us about the heart of man that drives us to imagine what God might be like. There can be little doubt that there are a number of pre-Christian mythologies with dying saviors, but when we examine these figures closely, we’ll see that they only foreshadow the God who truly DID come to earth. These mythologies actually SUPPORT the claims of Christ. Before we begin to examine this mythology carefully, it’s important to recognize that a significant portion of what we just read about Horus is simply FALSE, and lacks ANY Egyptian archeological support whatsoever. Much of what is seen on this list is simply the effort of atheists to make Horus look as much like Jesus as possible. So let’s take a look at the truth and see what it can tell us.

    The Truth About Horus

    The mythical Egyptian God, Horus, was worshipped principally in two cult centers at Bekhdet in the North and Idfu in the south. Little remains at the northern location, but there is still a large and well preserved Ptolemaic temple at Idfu. So, most information about Horus comes from this southern temple. Horus was usually represented as a falcon, as he was a great sky God and the Son of Isis and Osiris. Let’s take a look at the claims we have already described and separate truth from fiction, and then try to understand the underlying hope of the people who invented the god called Horus:

    Claim: Horus was conceived by a virgin mother named Meri, and had a stepfather named Seb (Joseph)
    Truth: Horus was NOT conceived of a virgin. In fact both mural and textual evidence from Egypt indicate that Isis (there is no evidence that “Meri” was ever part of her name) hovered over the erect penis (that she created) of Osiris and conceived Horus. While she may have been a virgin before the conception, she utilizes Osiris’ penis to conceive. She later had another son with Osiris as well. There is no evidence of three wise men as part of the story at all (in neither Horus’ nor Jesus’ birth story for that matter!). Seb was actually the ‘earth god’, (earth itself, just as Nut was the sky); He was not Horus’ earthly father. Seb is NOT the equivalent of Joseph and, in most cases, he is described as Osiris’ father!

    The Reasoning Behind the Horus Mythology: Clearly men dream and think about God, and when we do that, it is reasonable for us to imagine that God be in some way different from the natural order that He has created. It’s reasonable to assume then, that He would appear in a supernatural way, defying the natural order of things.

    Claim: Horus was born in a cave, his birth announced by an angel, heralded by a star and attended by shepherds
    Truth: There is no reference to a cave or manger in the birth story at all. In fact none of these details are present in the ancient Egyptian stories of Horus. Horus was born in a swamp. His birth was not heralded by an angel. There was no star to announce his birth.

    Claim: Horus attended a special rite of passage at the age of twelve and there is no data on the child from the age of 12 to 30
    Truth: There is no continuous effort in the Horus mythology to account for all these years, so there are no real gaps in the chronology. Horus never taught in any temple at twelve (as did Jesus), and keep in mind that Jesus didn’t ‘disappear’ in the years between His teaching in the temple and His baptism. He was simply working as a carpenter.

    Claim: Horus was baptized in a river at the age of 30, and his baptizer was later beheaded.
    Truth: Horus was never baptized. While the conspiracy theorists will often point to “Anup the Baptizer” and claim he was later beheaded, there is no such person in Horus’ story.

    Claim: Horus had 12 disciples
    Truth: Horus had only four disciples (called ‘Heru-Shemsu’), but at some point in his story there is reference to sixteen followers, and a group of unnumbered followers who join Horus in battle (called ‘mesnui’). But there’s no reference to twelve followers.

    The Reasoning Behind the Horus Mythology: It is reasonable to imagine that God, if he was to come to earth, would then gather to himself disciples that would continue to share the truth with others.

    Claim: Horus performed miracles, exorcized demons, raised someone from the dead, walked on water
    Truth: Of course Horus performed miracles, after all he was supposed to be a god!! But there was no mention of exorcizing demons, raising people from the dead or walking on water.

    The Reasoning Behind the Horus Mythology: It is reasonable to expect that if there is a God (a true God), He would have the power to perform the miraculous and control the forces of the natural environment.

    Claim: Horus was called “Iusa”, the “ever-becoming son” and the “Holy Child”
    Truth: No one in Egyptian history was ever called “Iusa” (the word does not exist) nor was anyone called “Holy Child”.

    Claim: Horus delivered a “Sermon on the Mount”, and his followers recounted his sayings. He was transfigured on the Mount
    Truth: Horus never delivered a “Sermon on the Mount”, nor was he transfigured.

    Claim: Horus was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and was resurrected
    Truth: Horus is not reported to have died at all in the vast majority of story versions. There is also no crucifixion story. Instead, Horus is usually described as eventually merging with Re (the Sun god) after which he ‘dies’ and is ‘reborn’ every single day as the sun rises. (This is a bit of a stretch at a death and resurrection parallel). Now there is an unofficial story that describes Horus as dying and being cast in pieces into the water, and later fished out by a crocodile at Isis’ request.

    The Reasoning Behind the Horus Mythology: If there is a true God, we would expect him to have mastery over death and be able to control the powers of death and life.

    Claim: Horus was called “Way”, “the Truth the Light”, “Messiah”, “God’s Anointed Son”, “Son of Man”, “Good Shepherd”, “Lamb of God”, “Word made flesh”, “Word of Truth”, “the KRST” or “Anointed One”
    Truth: None of these titles are in Egyptian history, but Horus IS called by several names you might expect for any god in mythology: “Great God”, “Chief of the Powers”, “Master of Heaven”, and “Avenger of His Father”. Horus was also not called “the Krst” because this word in Egyptian means “burial” (it wasn’t a title at all).

    The Reasoning Behind the Horus Mythology: If there is a God, we would expect Him to be powerful and possess a title that reflects that power.

    Claim: Horus was “the Fisher” and was associated with the Fish, Lamb and Lion.
    Truth: Some of the conspiracy theorists try to show an association with fish (by virtue of the fact that Horus WAS a fish, very unlike Jesus), but there is no evidence that Horus was ever called a “fisher” or was ever associated with the Lion or the Lamb.

    Claim: Horus came to fulfill the Law, and was supposed to reign one thousand years
    Truth: There was no Egyptian “law” for Horus to fulfill, and there is no mention of a thousand year reign in Egyptian mythology.
    http://pleaseconvinceme.com


  21. The Presence of Eyewitnesses

    Prima facie it would seem that a strong case could be made for the fact that much of the New Testament, including the Gospels and the sources behind them, was written by eyewitnesses.

    This is mentioned explicitly in a number of places (Luke 1:1-4; Gal. 1; 2 Peter 1:16). Further, apostolic position in the early church was widely known to include the qualification of being an eyewitness (Acts 1:21-22; Heb. 2:3), a qualification which shows that the early church valued the testimony of eyewitnesses and believed she had eyewitnesses leading her.

    The early speeches in Acts refer to the knowledge of unbelieving audiences (e. g., Acts 2:22), and no historian I know of doubts that Christianity started in Jerusalem just a few weeks after the death of Jesus in the presence of friendly and hostile eyewitnesses.

    Finally, there is indirect testimony to eyewitness evidence in the Gospels. For example, if a number of pronouns in Mark (see 1:21, 29) are changed from the third-person plural they to the first-person plural we, they can easily be seen as eyewitness reminiscences of Peter, who gave Mark much of the material for his Gospel.


  22. Zoe you are splitting hairs. Miller has put forward a more convincing argument. Miller I have learnt so much from you and I thank you. It is clear that Christianity has stolen many of the stories from older religions like the Hindu the oldest religion in the world. Many like Zoe and GP will be total denial as to the origins of Christianity.


  23. @Nannuki, Man, ya like ya gone to Egypt, looking fuh Ra, or maybe, Horus, or some other Satanic Demon deity, that NEVER existed as any god EVER!

    Or, may be Nnuki, ya may be trying to make contact with ya Ralian Demon spirits, to see if they could BEAM YOU UP, (LOL!)

    No way Nnuki, those evil entities you deal with, ONLY EVER, TAKE YOU DOWN, never UP! And ya know where DOWN IS?


  24. The Lamp of the Body

    “The lamp of the body IS the eye. If therefore your eye is good, your WHOLE body will be FULL of LIGHT.But if your eye is BAD your WHOLE body will be FULL of DARKNESS. If therefore the LIGHT that IS in you is DARKNESS* how great is that DARKNESS.” ( Matt. 6:22)

    The End of the Wicked and the Peace of the Godly.

    “Why do you boast in EVIL, O mighty man? The goodness of God endures continually. Your TONGUE devises destruction, Like a sharp razor, working DECEITFULLY. You love EVIL more than GOOD. LYING rather than speaking righteousness. You love all devouring words. You DECEITFUL TONGUE. God shall likewise DESTROY you forever. he shall take you away, and pluck YOU out of your dwelling place.” ( Psa. 52: 1-5).

    Such will the END be of those who EMBRACE lies, falsehood, and willful DECEIT, as we see here on BU by many! Whose conscience have been SEARED with an HOT IRON!

    So it be, by choice!

  25. millertheanunnaki Avatar
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    @ islandgal246 | November 28, 2012 at 1:35 PM |

    Thanks, IG. I am not here to tell Zoe and his ilk which god they should serve but he needs to be put in his place when he vehement condemns and arrogantly dismisses other people’s faiths or methods of worship and categorizing their gods as devils.
    In my book mankind has one god and that is the one that shines on “all of we” from East to West 24/7/365/25,920-26,000 until the end of our solar time.

    I will not deny the physical existence of a man called Yeshua or Isa who lived around the period when the Roman Empire occupied Palestine and parts of the old Kingdom of Israel. But to claim divine status and making him God is really taking the piss.
    He Yeshua, being a descendant from King David via Solomon, had a claim but only to the throne of Israel. But the Romans had no time or tolerance for rebellion or claims to kinship in any occupied lands which would have been seen as an affront to their Caesarian authority. Any local governance would have only been allowed on the terms and conditions determined and approved by Rome and the governor of the province appointed by Rome.

    It is because of this claim to royal lineage and right to rule that a resistance movement started. Something similar to the modern day resistance movement against apartheid in South Africa under the influence of Nelson Mandella.

    Because of infighting among the various Jewish sects at that time Yeshua was betrayed and executed by the occupying Romans similar to what happened to many rebellion leaders under colonial rule like our own Bussa.
    Yeshua died as a martyr in the cause of independence for old Israel and its return to rule by royalty by the house of David. As a result of this martyrdom he was seen like a Moses or a modern day Martin Luther King to keep the Jewish hope of salvation and self determination alive. Many stories and myths surrounding Yeshua’s exploits and death were concocted and relayed underground to the followers by word of mouth and in plays staged by the fringe theatre of the time.
    It is only when Christianity became a mainstream religious movement that the apotheosis of Jesus (giving him divine status or turning into a god) became necessary to effectively market this budding religious doctrine as a form of political control of the growing foreign masses in the roman control territories and in Rome itself.
    What easier and more effective way than allowing the religious scholars of the day to write plays around a central figure with the attributes and characteristics of other mythical figures from antiquity and other cultures not known by the illiterate masses.

    More to come if you want, IG! Bushie has nothing compared to the miller. (LOL!!!)


  26. God likes people who dance and are happy


  27. @millertheanunnaki | November 28, 2012 at 9:01 AM | I certainly agree about the divine Mia. However, on the religious front, I am religious and I am Christian. I have watched this particular report, numbed by the unbelievable efforts that some people will go to, to obfuscate and confuse a very simple message of love and humanity and turn it into a pseudo-intellectual debate, the grounds of which must always be in doubt because of the lack of hard historical evidence. I am mind-numbed by the cut and paste of total balls that a whole lot of so-called scholars (who clearly need to get out and get a real job) have had to write about a message meant to be understood by the common man. But not the common man of today, who reads and writes, but a common man of two millennia ago who did not read and write.

    So a message designed to provide hope and encouragement to the masses, was appropriated as a power base by the power brokers of the time. And today, in the hands of these pseudo-intellectuals, has become a fascinating basis of argument to a miniscule part of the world’s population who seemingly have nothing better to do than pontificat……..and a complete turn off to the rest of us. I put it to you, Miller, that the biggest turn off for anyone who might have been minded to follow the simple teachings of Christ, would be to read the garbage that one Zoe has cut and paste here in such proliferation.

    And why should there not be similarities, as you point out, between Christ and other religious icons of other ages? How do we know that God did not choose to send other messengers (or sons) to other areas of our world in other times? The proposition that Jesus is the only son of God has always seemed to me to be highly suspect. Simply because no one has ever heard God say so. Only man has said so, claiming, of course, that he was told this by God…..but how do we know that it wasn’t booze talking, or my personal favourite, whacky backy? Now, maybe God did say that to someone……but it seems to me that more likely he didn’t, as it provides the grounds to create a financial and business monopoly, not to mention wars. And those two, I cannot help believing, God would have foreseen and the creation of which in favour (largely) of the Catholic Church, would most assuredly NOT have been His intent.

    As for the Trinity, well in life we take a lot of things on trust and one of these days when my body fails and “I die”, then I will get to know (at least I hope I will) who was right and who was wrong. Till then, I will follow the teachings of Christ, but not the dogma of the self-appointed experts who do their level best to conceal and subvert those teachings.

    As for Horus, I have to confess that I have never been able to get past thinking of the golden penis that Isis made for Osiris. All I can say is that it sounds like the world’s most expensive dildo and I cannot seem to stop myself speculating as to if perchance it took batteries. And if so, were they AA or AAA.


  28. @Amused
    “a very simple message of love and humanity and turn it into a pseudo-intellectual debate,”

    Amen.

    @miller
    Be careful! You may shake the faith of some readers who know not of what you speak. Then again, others’ may be strengthened!

  29. millertheanunnaki Avatar
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    @Amused | November 28, 2012 at 6:27 PM |

    Jesus (Yeshua) was indeed a genuinely great and influential being who preached love and compassion instead of violence and guerilla warfare against the Roman occupation of his kingdom.
    He had a philosophy encapsulated in that universal ‘golden’ moral principle of ‘loving your neighbour as you love yourself’. A philosophy endorsed by Christ like figures before and after Jesus and redolently portrayed by Mahatma Gandhi and recently by our own Martin Luther King Jr. Even Nelson Mandella can lay claim to such high moral esteem.

    God has many sons one of which he sends ever so often sometimes two in one age.
    If our friend Zoe was genuine to his professed faith he would be more “christ-like” where love is the key to peace of mind and not promulgating the condemnation of those of different religious persuasions and the annihilation of Palestinians because they have the guts to stand up to a bully in their midst occupying their lands on the pretext of some promise made by an interactive temperamental deity rising and setting in the age (house) of the Taurean bull entering in vicious combat that of the Arian ram.

    As to your keen sense of humour regarding the golden cock made by Mother Isis (Mary) it is claimed that it was indeed one of the earliest devices used by the royal first ladies when the kings were elsewhere engaged especially in those time when artificial contraceptives were most unreliable.
    But there is some evidence that earlier forms of the dildo existed in Sumeria and some were even noted in India carved from ivory and even in China where terra cotta ‘mini’ versions were found. In recent renaissance time the glass model appeared to have given the aristocratic women of Piedmont the clearest and greatest satisfaction when too many men were involved in too much intra-gender sexual activities leaving the women folk to their own hard crystal devices especially those made in the many convents and upgraded from the ‘softer’ varieties made of wax.


  30. One ‘Amused’ on this blog, said,

    “However, on the religious front, I am religious, and AM A CHRISTIAN.”

    Question: On the basis of which or what historical documents, do you assert “…and AM A CHRISTIAN.”?

    But, then goes on to vitiate this assumed claim of yours, “..and AM A CHRISTIAN” by the utter contradiction of the content of your statement which says:

    “…the proposition that Jesus is the only Son of God has always seemed to me to be highly suspect. Simply because no one has ever head God say so…”

    Question: Again I ask, from which historical document, do you BASE your claim, “…and AM A CHRISTIAN…” while being HIGHLY SUSPECT, of ‘…the proposition that Jesus is the only Son of God.”

    This ‘Amused’ concludes his diatribe by saying, “I will FOLLOW the teaching of Christ, (Where DO YOU get these teaching of Christ FROM? Seems to me you are just ANOTHER self-appointed expert!) ) but not the dogma of self-appointed experts who do their level best to conceal and subvert those teachings.”

    Amused, you are a very confused person, vacillating ALL OVER the place, fluctuating terribly in your inept opinion or resolution!

    Jesus IS* either the Only begotten Son of God, OR He is not! If He is not, as He claimed to be, then He is a liar, lunatic, and fraud! His claims were validated BY His Resurrection from the dead, confirmed by no,lest than 500 eyewitness, and the miraculous TRANSFORMATION in the lives of His disciples, AND MULTIPLIED HUNDREDS of MILLIONS, thereafter for TWO thousand YEARS, from every know ethic group and race of people, across the face of the earth, AND increasing DAILY, in places like China, the Middle East, Africa, South America, et al countries, with AMAZING testimonies, and miracles in their lives, having being SET FREE from the bondage of paganism, animism, pantheism, polytheism, and other FALSE religions, which NEVER did anything for them. In Jesus Christ, the Only Saviour of man kind, they are finding, PEACE, JOY, and PURPOSE for living, with the absolute Assurance of eternal life, hereafter.

    This BEGAN in historic, Apostolic FIRST century Christianity, and the Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnipresent, immutable POWER of the Resurrected, Ascended King of Kings, and Lord of Lords, The Lord Jesus Christ, God of very God, has NEVER STOPPED, and will NOT stop, until His Glorious Second Advent, soon to be realized, as HE SAID, “I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH, ( NO name given!) and the gates of Hell, will NOT prevail against it.” (Matt. 16:18b)

    It is EITHER/OR, but NOT BOTH/AND.!

  31. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Zoe | November 29, 2012 at 9:39 AM |
    “BY His Resurrection from the dead, confirmed by no,lest than 500 eyewitness,”

    Why don’t you leave ‘Amused’ alone and deal with the Anunnaki or “Nuksie” as you prefer?
    The Anunnaki want you to tell us on BU where in the four Gospels of the NT (Matthew, Mark, Luke or John) is it recorded that 500 persons actually witnessed and confirmed the Resurrection of the mythical 11th Christ-like figure labelled Jesus for marketing purposes?
    This reference will be most edifying. No bullshit or circumlocution in your response.
    We will not be ‘amused ‘if you do! Just quote book, chapter and verse and we will be satisfied, Zoe!


  32. for your edification

    1 Cor. 15:5-6
    and that he(Jesus) appeared to Cephas; then to the twelve; then he(Jesus) appeared to above five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain until now, but some are fallen asleep;

  33. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Georgie Porgie | November 29, 2012 at 6:01 PM |

    No red herrings here GP!
    Where in any of the four Gospels (Matthew, Marl Luke and John) that recorded Jesus’s conception, birth, life, crucifixion and alleged resurrection can we find such confirmation of 500 people witnessing his resurrection?


  34. MILLER
    YOU HAVE MISSED THE POINT– THE conception, birth, life, crucifixion and resurrection IS ADDRESSED IN SEVERAL BOOKS BESIDES THE GOSPELS, EVEN IN THE OT


  35. Georgie

    Think about it .. if there were NO bible, sorry, Bible, where would you find the confidence to place a decent argument on anything …?


  36. Baffy said “Think about it .. if there were NO bible, sorry, Bible, where would you find the confidence to place a decent argument on anything …?”

    Excellent argument put forward Baffy…In fact he wouldn’t have anything to say at all. He and Zoe come over as demented creatures filled with venom!

    For a Medical Doctor to believe in the virgin Birth speaks volumes. For a Medical doctor to consult the Bible on everything tells me of the mental state of that person.


  37. Georgie is no threat to me or mine … he is in Florida. But we have got to deal with likes of a AG that has a need to be in Church every Sunday, 30 parliamentarians, 20 Cabin Ministers that believe in a deity that has a place in every day decision making. 300,000 lives left in the hands of people who are prepared to blame an unseen for everything, which of course includes their significant wrongdoings … F#ck me in the ass …


  38. Baffy and you know NO ONE WILL QUESTION THAT once they say GOD told them so! Putting GOD in the mix makes it legit!


  39. makes me wonder how these ZOE and GP would have managed their lives without having “A GOD” to lean on! . !

  40. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @Georgie Porgie | November 29, 2012 at 7:47 PM |
    “YOU HAVE MISSED THE POINT– THE conception, birth, life, crucifixion and resurrection IS ADDRESSED IN SEVERAL BOOKS BESIDES THE GOSPELS, EVEN IN THE OT”

    Well said, GP!
    We would even stretch it a bit and say “COPIED AND PASTED” from many earlier texts and mythical stories found in many earlier cultures and civilizations like the Sumerian and Egyptian and Hindu/Buddhist religions.

    By Georgie, don’t you know that many of the stories found in the Book of Genesis like the creation myth and flood legend (Noah Story equivalent to the Epic of Gilgamesh) can be found in the Sumerian Creation story?

    Figure the following out, GP:
    “When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
    4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
    5 The LORD saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 6 The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the LORD said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.”

    Who is this fallible regretful vindictive mentally unstable genetic engineering alien scientist of a god and who are the Nephilim and those other bastard “sons of God”? Songs like a fairy tale to rational beings like ac, sorry, island gal.
    Take as long as you like to answer, brother. In Jesus name we wait.


  41. islandgal246

    I sorry you marry … You have developed an unmentionable tonight that most certainly you could make use of.


  42. Baffy are you flirting with me?


  43. Not me, the unmentionable ….


  44. DISCUSSED THE SUBVERSIVE INTERPRETATION OF GENESIS 6 ON BU A FEW YEARS AGO
    I HAVE A TEST MATCH IN AUSTRALIA TO WATCH

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