Which ancient historical document gives us these Inspired words?

“So God CREATED great see creatures and EVERY LIVING thing that MOVES, with which the waters abounded, according to their KIND, (species) and every winged bird according to ITS KIND (species)…(Gen. 1:21) (see also v v. 24,25)

Second, is there any scientific evidence, i.e., the Fossil record, that confirm the Genesis account of Creation?

Third, which ancient historic document, predicted the FALL and RUINATION of all ancient civilizations, AND, what was the reason(s) for their ultimate demise and failure, as ALL of them came to utter ruination , bar NONE!

Fourth, which ancient ethic group of people, with a distinct identity, and an, ancient national NAME, are the Only ones, WHO for thousands of YEARS, longed for the return to their ANCIENT home land, and as Prophecied came to pass, exactly as was said it would within recent times?

Fifth, which ancient historic document foretold of THOUSANDS of events, throughout the world, with over 90% coming to pass exactly as predicted?

Are there any other ancient historic documents, ANY, that have this incredible degree of accuracy, right up until the very era we are now living in, apart from this ONE historic document?

Zoe wrote :”Some well known personalities that were seen in Hell, was the last Pope who died, Pope Paul II, Michael Jackson, Latino singer Selena, Ghadaffi, and yes, the prophet Muhammad, screaming in torment, and saying to tell Muslims that he did not write the Koran, and to LOOK to Jesus, Ghadaffi also in agony and torment, said to tell his people on earth to look to Jesus!”

Zoe you are now a raving LUNATIC!

@ Zoe
…man take it easy. Identifying you as a person in need of psychiatric support done NOT constitute “persecution for righteousness sake”.

“That” come from LIVING a righteous life, standing up for what is RIGHT and paying the natural price of being VICTIMIZED by the system, scorned by the sheeple, and ignored by the law agencies who are there to protect the innocent.

What persecute what? Islandgal can persecute somebody? That woman is all mouth…. She can’t even go on the computer when the husband home….. 🙂

Bushie my husband is next to me laughing his head off at the lunacy exposed here. Zoe must have been to hell to see those people! Sick Sick person.

@MME

O dear, where did that come from? Upset about the WI performance?

There is something most definitely wrong with Zoe. I have suspected this for years, and what ever it is, it is only getting worse. I have a feeling that GP knows this too but will refuse to out his ally (… maybe somet’ing w’ong wid GP too …!)

Zoe the next time you are your friend go snooping ’round hell tek some pictures so that the res’ a we could see, nah ..

AHHHHHH HAAAAAAA LOLOL…. oh S#[€ !!!
…muh belly!! 🙂
CLEAR THINKERS!!! . Miller, BAFBFP and Islandgal?????

if wunna talking shoite wunna could as well add Onions and ac too den!

Bushie enjoy your laughter because it is empty to others. I can’t believe a man of your stature would support a lunatic like Zoe. You are exposing your rear. You disappoint me!

Islandgal
Bushie does not support Zoe, BAFBFP, GP or indeed ANY man. Bushie supports common sense and truth. ON those occasions when Zoe stumbles on the truth about aspects of the Bible, obviously Bushie will support him.
Even you will be guaranteed some bush support if and when you agree to join Caswell on the NSC, or in the unlikely event that you post something sensible…… 🙂 (But not Onions 4 shoite…he too deceitful).

Was Jesus a Copy of Horus, Mithras, Krishna, Dionysus and Other Pagan Gods?

April 7, 2012 By Beginning and End 60 Comments

This was not the basis for Jesus Christ.

Are the Bible accounts of Jesus plagiarizing the story of Horus, Krishna, Mithras, Dionysis and other pagan Gods? – A Critical Examination

“Was Jesus a Copy of Horus, Mithras, Krishna, Dionysis and Other Pagan Gods?”

This question is often asked especially in light of the viral film ‘Zeitgeist’ a mega-popular documentary about the New World Order and Illuminati. The movie spent over 30 minutes attacking the Bible and the Christian faith and specifically the idea that the story of Jesus Christ in the Gospels is nothing more than a copy of the story of the Egyptian God Horus, Mithras and other pagan gods. Additionally Dan Brown author of the DaVinci Code, one of the most blasphemous, Anti-Christian books ever written, stated “nothing in Christianity is original” as he promotes the idea these mythological figures served as the basis for the Gospel accounts of Jesus Christ (Brown’s latest book, ‘The Lost Symbol’, takes this idea to the extreme – an article on this book and the upcoming movie will be posted soon). This article will show that not only are these claims incorrect and lack any substantive evidence, but that they are part of a greater spiritual agenda that Dan Brown, the Zeitgeist film and others have in common.

Was Jesus a Copy of Horus?
The Egyptian God Horus.

The Zeitgeist film makes a number of wild statements about Horus to attempt to prove that Jesus is a copy. But let’s look at the claims against actual Egyptian mythology:

“Horus was born on December 25th” — According to Egyptian mythological history, Horus’s birthday is celebrated in the season of Khoiak, which runs in the months of October and November, not December 25th. Furthermore, the date of December 25th is never mentioned in the Bible as the date of Jesus’ birth and thus has no relevance to the account of Jesus’ life. So right away, the claims of “plagiarism” look completely baseless.

“Horus was born of a virgin” — There are two accounts of Horus’ birth.

The most famous by far, was that Horus was born from his mother Isis, who was not a virgin, but rather a widow of the slain Osiris. Through sorcery, Isis, assembled the body of Osiris and was impregnated with his phallus. Clearly this was a sexual union and not a virgin birth. The “Hymn to Osiris” which records this account states: “[Isis] made to rise up the helpless members [phallus] of him whose heart was at rest, she drew from him his essence [DNA material], and she made therefrom an heir [Horus].” (Source and Source).

“Three Wise Men Came to Adore the New Born Savior”- No source is provided by the documentary for this claim. Additionally, the Bible does not say “three wise men” came to see Jesus. It never tells us the number of wise men. And they did not come at Jesus’ birth in a manger. They came to his family home when he was a toddler.

“Horus was a child prodigy teacher at 12″ — The movie offers no pre-New Testament sources that state this.

“Horus had 12 Disciples” — Historian Glen Miller writes: “But again, my research in the academic literature does not surface this fact. I can find references to FOUR “disciples”–variously called the semi-divine HERU-SHEMSU (“Followers of Horus”) [GOE:1.491]. I can find references to SIXTEEN human followers. And I can find reference to an UNNUMBERED group of followers called mesniu/mesnitu (“blacksmiths”) who accompanied Horus in some of his battles [although these might be identified with the HERU-SHEMSU in GOE:1.84]. But I cannot find TWELVE anywhere…]”

Additionally, some of have said the 12 signs of the zodiac are the “disciples” of Horus. Even if this were the case, they are just stars and not actual people who followed Horus, preached about him or recorded his life. This is another empty and false claim.

“Horus was crucified. Dead for three days. And Resurrected” — There is no historical record in any credible Egyptian mythology of Horus being crucified. Additionally, crucifixion was a method of execution invented by the Roman Empire thousands of years after the time of the Horus myth.

Whereas the accounts of Jesus’ crucifixion exist in thousands of manuscripts from the century after his death. Additionally, as we detailed in our article “Did Jesus Really Exist? Proving Jesus without The Bible” there are many secular historical sources that record His crucifixion as described in the Bible.

If you are wondering how Zeitgeist could make such wild claims, that have no real historical evidence, they benefit from the Skeptic’s Fallacy: in short, when it comes to attacking the credibility of the Bible it is assumed that the skeptic is completely credible. So the Zeitgeist creators know most people will not research their attacks and just take it as factual (just as Dan Brown did with the numerous inaccuracies of the DaVinci Code). If one takes the time, they will also notice that Zeitgeist gets almost all of its information from one source, a book called “The Christ Conspiracy” by a woman named Acharya S. (we will address her later).

Was Jesus a Copy of Mithras?

Ancient art depicting Mithras being born out of a rock.
Zeitgeist continues as do the skeptics with the idea that Christianity itself is a copy of the cult of Mithras, which was popularized in Rome in the 1st to 4th Century AD (note that it sprung up in Rome after the death of Christ and centuries after the Old Testament prophecies of the Coming Messiah). The movie states:

“Mithras was born of a virgin” — There are almost no early writings about the cult of Mithras and most of what is known is based on artwork (as opposed to Jesus Christ, of whom thousands of ancient manuscripts exist that describe His life, death and resurrection in detail). But according to historians, Mithras was born from a rock, not from a virgin or from a person at all.

“Mithras was born on December 25.” — Once again, the date of December 25th is not mentioned in the Bible and thus holds no significance to the story of Jesus Christ. Additionally, in Mithraism there is no date of Mithras’ birth.

Mithras with “shepherds.”

“Mithras was attended to by Shepherds” – This claim is based on the relief above. The earliest existing account of Mithras’ birth is found in a relief depicting him emerging from a rock with the assistance of men who certainly appear to be shepherds (which is interesting considering his birth was supposed to have preceded the creation of humans!). Such a blatant inconsistency should show a serious flaw in Mithraism research, but the Zeitgeist team again overlooks this. Furthermore, this relief dates to 4th century A.D., well after the Gospels had been written and distributed over most of the known world.

Mithras and his “12 disciples.”

“Mithra had 12 disciples.” — This is based on the carving above which shows Mithras surrounded by 12 signs of the Zodiac. There is no reason to conclude that signs of the Zodiac are “disciples.” Remember, there is no written record of Mithra’s existence from the 1st to 4th centuries when the cult thrived. The earliest writings are from outsiders recording their observations. So most of the wild assertions of Zeitgeist are just being based on this piece of art. Franz Cumont, considered the first great researcher of Mithras claimed that the disciples in the relief were actually people dressed up as Zodiac signs, showing how ludicrous the effort to link Mithras to Jesus can get.

“Mithras was crucified. Dead for three days. And then resurrected.” — This charge in particular reveals the insincerity of the claims of plagiarism against Christianity. In Mithraism, Mithras never dies. He completed his earthly mission and returned to the skies in a chariot (ironically similar to the story of the Prophet Elijah in the Bible’s Book of 1 Kings, written 800 years earlier). In Mithraism there is no historical mention of crucifixion, burial or resurrection in any artwork or text. In a critique of this theory, researcher Ronald Nash writes:

“Allegations of an early Christian dependence on Mithraism have been rejected on many grounds. Mithraism had no concept of the death and resurrection of its god and no place for any concept of rebirth—at least during its early stages.” In his book Image and Value in the Greco-Roman World, Richard Gordon writes that there is “no death of Mithras,” and thus there is no resurrection of Mithras.

• Dr. Edwin Yamauchi states: “We don’t know anything about the death of Mithras…We have a lot of monuments, but we have almost no textual evidence, because this was a secret religion. But I know of no references to a supposed death and resurrection.”

It is also important to note that for all of the research Franz Cumont did on Mithras, his overriding conclusion was that unlike Jesus Christ, who was a real person, Mithras did not exist. Thus a basic examination of the factual evidence shows that the Bible did not plagiarize from the story of Mithras.

Was Jesus Christ an Imitation of Dionysis?

Dionysus the Greco Roman god of wine.

Dionysus (also known as Bacchus) was a Greek and Roman god of wine. One of the boldest claims of Jesus being a copy of Dionsyus was a book called ‘The Jesus Mysteries’ which featured the amulet pictured below. on its cover. The authors claimed that the amulet was a depiction of the god Dionysus on a cross, and thus, they concluded, Christianity must have copied the crucifixion account from the Greek god. However, upon basic scrutiny, the claim falls apart.

Dionysus pictured on a cross.

The authors of “The Jesus Mysteries” Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy had their sources for their information critiqued:

When dealing with ancient sources they are even more blatant. On the basis of some third century pictures of crucifixions, the authors claim Bacchuus [Dionysus] was crucified and Christians copied the idea. This is their piece de resistance and they even put one of the pictures on the cover of their book. But suppose there existed an earlier source who stated categorically that no pagan godman was crucified. That would destroy their case and reading the Jesus Mysteries you would assume that neither Freke or Gandy knew of such a source even if it existed. You would be wrong.They quote from Justin Martyr many times about his concerns that pagans and Christians had some similar rituals (they did and modern scholarship is totally unsurprised by this). He is a second century writer who therefore predates all the pictures of pagan godmen being crucified and he writes:

“But in no instance, not even in any of those called sons of Jupiter, did they imitate the being crucified; for it was not understood by them, all the things said of it having been put symbolically.” Justin Martyr ’s First Apology LV.

No honest scholar would simply fail to quote this vitally important contradiction to their thesis. Gandy did attempt to explain away this passage when it was presented to him but failed utterly and certainly could not say why he ever felt he could simply miss it out of his book. (source)

Even if the amulet was real, it’s dated to over 300 years after the crucifixion of Christ. By the 4th century tens of thousands of New Testament manuscripts were in circulation all over the world and the Roman Empire made Christianity its official religion. So the story of Christ’s crucifixion was very well-known. Thus the idea that a 4th century amulet was the inspiration for the Crucifixion in the Gospel’s makes no sense. We cited the Roman historian Tacitus who in 115 AD wrote:

“Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. (source)

So again, the account of Jesus’ crucifixion at the orders of Pontius Pilate, just as the Bible details, was well-known even in non-Christian circles.

“Dionysus was born of a virgin” — Again, this blatantly flies in the face of mythology surrounding this pagan god. The two most common stories of Dionysus’ birth involve the god Zeus, his father, either impregnating the mortal woman Semele, or impregnating Persephone (the Greek Queen of the underworld). In either instance, it is not a virgin birth (and it also gives allusion to the Bible’s description of fallen angels impregnating human women, something written in the book of Genesis 2,000 years before the myth of Dionysus).

“Dionsysus was born on December 25th” — Once again, there is no pre-Christian manuscript or evidence of this. And of course the date of December 25th is not significant since it’s not in the Bible. Some point to Dionysus’ ability to create wine as a sign that Jesus was a copy (since Jesus turned water to wine at a wedding) but Dionysus was the god of wine. Jesus was the Son of God and humanity’s Savior. And while there is non-Christian evidence and proof that Jesus existed, there is none to support that Dionysus was a real person who actually existed. And Jesus Christ was clearly not a copy of Dionysus.

Was Jesus Christ a Copy of Krishna?

The Hindu God Krishna.
As the Devine Evidence blog states:

In Hinduism, Krishna is believed to be the eighth avatar of Vishnu, the second aspect of the Hindu trinity. Almost every correlation between Krishna and Jesus can be traced to Kersey Graves, a 19th century author who believed Christianity was created from pagan myths. Though his works have been proven by scholars to be false and poorly researched (Source), many still ignorantly refer to his arguments not knowing they are easily disproved by simply comparing the Bible to the Hindu texts.

Zeitgeist Debunked

“Krishna was born of a virgin named Devaki” — The basic story of Krishna’s origin makes this claim laughable: In mythology researcher Joseph Campbell’s book, Occidental Mythology, he writes of Krishna’s origin:

“In India a like tale is told of the beloved savior Krishna, whose terrible uncle, Kansa, was, in that case, the tyrant-king. The savior’s mother, Devaki, was of royal lineage, the tyrant’s niece, and at the time when she was married the wicked monarch heard a voice, mysteriously, which let him know that her eighth child would be his slayer. He therefore confined both her and her husband, the saintly nobleman Vasudeva, in a closely guarded prison, where he murdered their first six infants as they came.”

So from the basic origin story of Krishna, his mother had seven children before he was born, so she was clearly not a virgin. Additionally, the book of Isaiah, which prophesied that a virgin would give birth to the Messiah of the Bible, was written 700 years before Christ and at least 100 years before Krishna.

“There was Infant massacre in all the land at the time of Krishna’s birth” – In the Gospel accounts, King Herod, upon hearing the Jewish Messiah has been born, orders all Jewish male infants to be killed. Skeptics claim a similar occurrence happened with Krishna but as the account above shows, only his six brothers were killed.

“Krishna was crucified. Died for three days. And was resurrected.” – This again is just a blatant mistruth in the face of Hindu mythology. The explanation of Krishna’s death is stated clearly: ”

“A fierce hunter of the name of Jara then came there, desirous of deer. The hunter, mistaking [Krishna], who was stretched on the earth in high Yoga, for a deer, pierced him at the heel with a shaft and quickly came to that spot for capturing his prey.” Mahabharata, Book 16, 4

Not only was Krishna not crucified, his story sounds much more familiar to the account of the death of Achilles in Greek mythology than the account of Jesus’ crucifixion.

There are later Hindu texts that do draw more close parallels between Jesus Christ and Krishna. But these texts were written centuries after the New Testament. In fact, the Bahagavad Gita, one of the main Holy Books of Hinduism, is now thought by Hindu scholars to have been drastically changed in 800 AD. The present day Bahagavad Gita has 700 verses. The original, called Gita had 84 (imagine the documentaries and books that would be made if it were discovered that the Bible went through such a drastic re-write!). In the book, The Gita As It Was: Rediscovering the Original Bhagavadgita, the author, Dr. Phulgenda Sinha, writes:

Around 800 A.D. , the original Gita was interpolated and ended up having 700 verses. The name was changed from Gita to Bhagavad Gita. The concept of one single Almighty God, or Supreme, Bhagavan, was introduced to Indian society.

Till then, before 800 A.D., Indians believed in God. But they believed in polytheism. They were also nature worshippers. They worshipped earth, stone, trees, rain, wind, fire, sun, moon etc.

Jesus is clearly not an imitation of Krishna and the Bible did not plagiarize pagan gods. Unlike the New Testament, which has been verified by manuscript evidence to be the most reliable and substantiated document in antiquity, the holy book of Hinduism went through drastic changes centuries after it was written. But of course, the Zeitgesit producers, Acharya S. and Dan Brown ignore all of this just to try to attack the credibility of the Bible. Why? Because they hate the Bible and want to push a Satanic agenda.

Who Is Acharya S?

D.M. Moore, aka Acharya S.

As we mentioned above, almost all of the sources cited by Zietgiest go back to Achraya S., author of “The Christ Conspiracy.” But who is she? First off, her name is Dorothy Murdoch. And in her own writings she cites “D.M. Murdoch” as a source, which is citing herself. This should be a huge red flag to her credibility. She has been debunked and criticized by many serious historical scholars. But more importantly, where did Acharya S. get the information for her Christ Conspiracy book in the first place? It came from Gerald Massey and Madame H.P. Blavatsky.

Blavatsky, the founder of the Theosophical Society, is one of the main inspirations for the modern New Age Movement. She was also an ardent Luciferian. Blavatsky wrote her books via automatic writing” in which a spirit possessed her and used her body to write her books on mysticism and Luciferian New Age beliefs. Blavatsky believed that through esoteric, occult magical practices, mankind could ascend and evolve to god-like status. All with assistance from “the hierarchy” — angelic beings who could guide those with proper knowledge. This of course is the first lie of Satan in the Garden of Eden, who lured Even into sinning with the promise that “ye shall be as gods..” The idea of achieving godhood and “ascension” is at the heart of the New Age movement today. Those special, enlightened ones could then form a super race that would rule over humanity.

She was a friend of Satanist Aleister Crolwey and her writings inspired Adolf Hitler. Blavatsky makes no secret of her allegiance:

“One of the most hidden secrets involves the so-called fall of Angels. Satan and his rebellious host will thus prove to have become the direct Saviours and Creators of divine man. Thus Satan, once he ceases to be viewed in the superstitious spirit of the church, grows into the grandiose image. It is Satan who is the God of our planet and the only God. Satan (or Lucifer) represents the Centrifugal Energy of the Universe, this ever-living symbol of self-sacrifice for the intellectual independence of humanity. “(The Secret Doctrine, Volume II, Pages 215, 216, 220, 245, 255, 533).

She was also the publisher of Lucifer Magazine. Massey was a writer for Lucifer magazine. Her closest student, Alice Bailey, took over the reigns of the Theosophical Society as well as started the publishing company called Lucifer Trust (it is now known as Lucis Trust). Her stated goal was the preparation of the minds of society to receive “the Christ”, who is not Jesus but a great ascend wise master who will unite all the religions of the world, teaching the enlightened followers to godhood, led by the true god, who Bailey openly identifies as Satan. And this is the basis for the information that went into making Zeitgeist. As shown in the video below on the Zeitgeist film, it is pushing the exact same idea.

In The Lost Symbol, Dan Brown also takes the plunge as he proclaims that Christianity is just a spin off of ancient mystery religions. Do not be deceived. For those who are in the “truth movement” or “Anti-New World Order”, these ideas intend to assert that Christianity is just another form of control and was manufactured to manipulate people. But as shown, the charges are ludicrous with the slightest inspection. And at the end of the day, the same people who are putting out the idea of Jesus being a copy of pagan gods all get linked back to the same false god: Satan. This clever deception is helping to usher in the “New Order” that will be led by the Antichrist. Jesus warned of one of the key signs of the end times approaching:

“the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.” (Matthew 24:3-5).

Unprecedented deception would be a major sign and Zeitgeist, The Lost Symbol and books like the Christ Conspiracy are just a few of the examples. Jesus Christ did exist. Jesus Christ was born of a virgin. Jesus Christ had 12 disciples. Jesus Christ was crucified. But most importantly, Jesus Christ died for you. He chose to die to offer Himself as a sacrifice to pay the debt for the sins of humanity. And He is the only name which can be called on for salvation. It just takes belief in what He did to receive eternal life. Jesus said: “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. “ No one else died on a cross for the sins of humanity. Jesus did. And it just takes belief in Him to receive eternal life and be freed from the punishment of hell. Which is why Satan has to work so hard to confuses the public and distort the message of the Bible. No other religious figure receives close to the scrutiny that Jesus does. And yet the Bible still stands as true. So if you now believe that Jesus was not just a copy of a pagan god, maybe it is time to start believing that He is indeed the Son of God who wants to spend eternity with you.

For a full presentation that debunks all of the claims of the Zeitgeist film see below:

And for those who believe that can prove the claims of Zeitgeist there is a chance to win money at the website “Zeitgeist Challenge” (no one has won yet).

Miller…..the……Nukie, keep digging INTO the hell hole of LIES, distortions, and blatant untruths, from the sources of frauds, Satanically driven HATERS of Almighty God, and Jesus Christ, as the FACTS re these so-called claims about Horus, Krishna, Mithra , Dionysis and other pagan MYTH gods* reveal the LIES embedded in these MYTHS, by these modern day writers of books, producers of films, corrupt pseudo scholars,whose sole purpose is to further compound the MYTH!

Nukie, Man, you’ve fallen into the QUICKSAND pit, and the more you wriggle, turn and twist, the DEEPER you go into the pit!

Zoe wrote…”Check out the Youtube videos, and see and hear from FIRST hand eyewitnesses, who WENT there and back!”

RFLMAO…this is tooo funny! Actually it is also sad because people like Zoe are misleading many. People please keep a SANE mind when you all hear stories like these. It is very easy for an insane mind to lead astray millions.

@Zoe “Check out the Youtube videos, and see and hear from FIRST hand eyewitnesses, who WENT there and back!

Zoe you mean to tall me that these 21st century people are taking their video cameras to hell with them? Taking videos and coming back and posting them on You Tube?

Clearly I don’t spend enough time on You Tube which I have not seen these wonders.

I spend a lot of time at funerals (I am old) but I haven’t seen a single funeral where the undertaker puts a video camera in the coffin. But maybe that is because my family and friends are old and do not know how to use videio cameras or You Tube.

Or maybe Zoe believes every piece of idocy he finds on the internet.

Zoe needs to spend 2 hours a day way from the computer. A nice walk in the fresh air might clear his mind. and HE should take alongsome of our heavy weight Parliamentarians with him.

Kill 2 birds with one stone.

Zoe go to bed , you are frothing at the mouth!

Simple Simon…and there are people on BU who will agree with him, people you would expect better of. People like Bush Tea. and GP they haven’t as yet come forward to condemn what he has recently posted which is pure nonsense and is the rantings of a sick mind!

Simple Simon

“Zoe you mean to tall me that these 21st century people are taking their video cameras to hell with them? Taking videos and coming back and posting them on You Tube?”

NO, Simple Simon, these people DIED, their SOULS/SPIRITS left their bodies, and went to HELL, when the Lord put their SOULS/SPIRITS back INTO their bodies, which then came alive AGAIN, they have chosen to give their testimonies on what they SAW and EXPERIENCED while in Hell. This has NOTHING to do with Video cameras! These people NEVER GOT to being in a COFFIN, or Church funeral!

“Clearly I don’t spend enough time on You Tube which I have not seen these wonders.”

“I spend a lot of time at funerals (I am old) but I haven’t seen a single funeral where the undertaker puts a video camera in the coffin. But maybe that is because my family and friends are old and do not know how to use videio cameras or You Tube.

@Miller. Thanks for the laugh – I knew I could rely on you to lift my spirits that were becoming oppressed by the rubbish of one Zoe. I finally managed to revisit this blog – been quite busy. I have to say that I am, as Observing suggests, firm in my faith. However, if I were in any way in doubt, the frothings and ravings of Zoe would certainly drive me to be an atheist. In Zoe, we have someone in URGENT need of SERIOUS MEDICATION. Not for nothing has Halsall coined the name “Bat Cave”.

Also, Miller, your exposition (or is it exposee) on the origins and history of the dildo was fascinating. It taught me much that I had never dreamed of. I had no idea that you had made such a profound (or in depth) study of these devices – you are a man of many interests. I must say that the glass ones sound extremely dangerous. She Who Must Be Obeyed reports to me (with GREAT amusement) that a friend of hers has made such an implement by laminating a wad of old socks. SWMBO has expressed the hope (amidst bouts of uncontollable laughter) that the socks were properly washed, disinfected and treated with Dr Scholls. Athletes foot.

But this discussion appears to have completely departed from the consecration of women bishops in the C of E and the ordination and consecration of homosexuals, provided they profess to be non-practicing. And instead it has gone into the misty realms of cut and paste from the Bat Cave.

@millertheanunnaki | November 30, 2012 at 8:44 PM |

You got 3.5 marks out of 50 in your last list… an improvement, but more characteristic of a Lulu Amelu than an Anunnaki. As previously indicated, item 1 in your list is wrong… and you know what they say about starting wrong.

Here is what just a few minutes on Wikipedia reveals about your “virgin” birth claims in item 1 (in the order in which you listed them)…

Attis….. there are no references to his mother being a virgin at his conception, either in the original Herodotus writings or the post Christianity variations when the Cult of Cybele unsuccessfully competed with Christianity.

Buddha….. mother and father married for 20 years prior to his conception… no Buddhist texts claim she was a virgin prior to conception, and there is no reason to suppose she remained a virgin after 20 years of marriage.

Dionysus….. mother, Semele of Thebes, was seduced by Zeus who turned himself into a mortal man to conceive a child with her.

Krishna….. mom Devaki was married to dad Vasudeva and had 7 picknies prior to Krishna.

Mithra….. was born as an adult from solid rock.

Zoroaster….. the Avesta clearly alludes to conjugal relations between his parents, during which evil spirits try to prevent his conception.

Horus….. well I notice he didn’t make your list this second time around, so maybe the explanation from Amused on how his mother Isis got pregnant cleared up your earlier misconception… pun intended LOL

I am throwing you some inflatables to help you swim across that sea of ignorance… grab hold.

http://www.theidealistrevolution.com/insect-spy-drones-robotic-flying-mosquitos-big-brother-stuff-or/

There is a Guest Column written by Bishop Holder where he explains that the complexity of the governance structure in the Church of England is to blame for the Laity failing by 4-votes to allow women to serve as Bishops. Interesting spin by him.

@ Zoe | December 2, 2012 at 4:24 PM |

Why don’t you follow ‘Amused’s” advice and refocus on the crux of the thread?

Do you think that women should become Bishops (should it be ‘Bishopesses’) in the Church of Jesus Christ?
I might have missed your views on this one but please indulge me and express them here.

@zoe
“The post I did by competent scholars”

Who qualifies (or doesn’t qualify) to be a “competent scholar?” Particularly in the realm of modern day and ancient religion?

Just Observing

@Miller and Observing. Zoe says, “The post I did by competent scholars, especially the long one………..”

First of all, “The post I did by competent scholars,” is a contradicition in terms. It implies plurality to Zoe. It states that Zoe is “competent scholars. So maybe Zoe has now completely copycated the Holy Trinity (bring on the straight jacked and meds).

But most interestingly is the part that reads, “Especially the long one.” Now if either of you two gentlemen can point me to a short one……..

And the “long” and “short” of it is that we still have not been favoured with Zoe’s opinions, either cut and paste, or (perish the thought) ORIGINAL, as to whether or not he thinks there should be bishopesses in the church and also whether the heirarchy of the church ought to blithely accept without due diligence, the mere statement of homosexuals that they are not practicing.

For, if these homosexuals priests and nuns are not practicing as they say, then it has to be argued that, being non-sexual, they cannot be either homo or hereto sexual. And the amount of homosexual acts carried out by priests are alarming enough to suggest, even to an ostrich, that the vast majority of these priests are liars………

The untold reason Jesus was born
Exclusive: Joe Kovacs explains WHY this all took place

Whenever Christmastime rolls around, many people – whether they’re Christian or not – get excited.

They get excited at extravagant and colorful lighting displays.

They get excited at exquisite tree decorations.

They get excited about parties, drinking and delicious treats.

They get excited with anticipation about what kind of gift will be awaiting them under those trees on Dec. 25th.

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Many sense a kinder, gentler spirit of good will permeating the airwaves and the hearts of others.

And as soon as Christmas passes, the excitement and goodwill evaporate faster than grandma getting run over by a reindeer.

But if you look into the Bible – I mean really look, and not just at one verse – there is truly good reason to be excited for your own life when it comes to the birth of Jesus.

I’m not writing here about whether the holiday known as Christmas should be celebrated or not.

I’m writing about one of the most important reasons WHY Jesus, the Creator of the universe, left His home in the unseen dimension of heaven and lived some 33 years as a human being.

It has a direct connection with your personal future and ultimate destiny, and, chances are, you have NOT been properly told about it.

You’ve likely already heard that Jesus came to Earth to “save sinners.” Yes, that’s very true.

But for what purpose is He really saving them? What is the intended final destiny of human beings?

Millions of Christians actually have little idea, except to imagine that as long as they “believe in Jesus,” they’ll be spending all eternity floating on a cloud in heaven, doing a whole bunch of nothingness except strumming a harp or playing a flute, all the while looking at the face of Jesus.

This is just not the case, according to Scripture.

@Zoe
Clearly you have the floor. And the walls, and the roof, and the basement. I hope you’re able to edify and educate others enough that they feel welcome enough to enter into the light of your house. Well, if that’s one of your aims that is.

Walk good.

Observing