Church of England Gay Clergy Maybe Able to Copulate After all

A panel of bishops is set to spark a fresh row over homosexuality by paving the way for the Church of England to relax its stance on gay clergy – read Mail Online article Don't make gay vicars promise not to have sex

A panel of bishops is set to spark a fresh row over homosexuality by paving the way for the Church of England to relax its stance on gay clergy – read Mail Online article Don’t make gay vicars promise not to have sex

61 thoughts on “Church of England Gay Clergy Maybe Able to Copulate After all


    It is a well known fact that the power and viability of churches are in noticeable decline. Not only is religious affiliation and church attendance in decline, many of the leaders of our religious institutions can no longer be trusted to preach the word of God versus espousing the new American religious mantra, which is to falsely interpret Romans 13 in which these “new age pastors” are calling for blind obedience to their “God-chosen” governmental leaders. Church attendance is in decline because of the following considerations:

    What kind of Pastor would command its leaders to encourage, codify into law and then to tell its flock to simply ignore the American Holocaust which has witnessed the murder of over 50 million American babies, since Roe v. Wade, in 1973?

    What kind of pastor would not have its clergy and its followers fail to condemn the bankster controlled wars of American imperialism which have resulted in the unnecessary deaths of millions of human beings?

    What kind of pastor would fail to command his followers to not speak out and to condemn the actions of the criminals on Wall Street, who inspired only by the love of money, for their continued assaults upon humanity in the form of unlabeled poisonous GMO’s, the theft of solvent home mortgages by the mega banks, and the secret detentions and the potential murder of American citizens under the NDAA.

    What kind of pastor would have its religious and government leaders fail to speak out against the fact that our current President who has no hesitation in supporting the radical, Sharia Law serving Muslim Brotherhood who are committed to the execution of all Christians in lands in which they have some measure of control such as in Egypt, Libya and Syria?

    What kind of pastor would order his followers to remain silent as the bankster controlled government plans to commence a world war starting with Iran or North Korea or China in order to support the preservation of the Petrodollar which will result in the potential death of billions of human beings?

    What kind of pastor would command his flock to serve a government that seeks to eviscerate the Bible as the literal word of God?

    Any pastor who encourages complete obedience to a corrupt government has taken a big step towards accepting the Mark of the Beast. This is a very dangerous precedent, and this could potentially imperil the salvation of millions if Christians allow this false doctrine to expand across our nation’s churches.

    Does Your Pastor Loves Money More Than God?

    Courtesy of the fact that your houses of worship have been compromised by being a 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organization you have a large bulls eye on your back. If your church is a 501(c)(3) organization, then your church has a significant financial motivation to not accurately interpret the true message of the Bible. The tax exempt status of being a 501(c)(3) organization is a significant cornerstone of this shift away from allegiance to God and towards worshiping our new Savior, the Federal Government.

    The love of money is the root of all evil and if your church is a tax-exempt 501 (C) (3), then your Pastor and your church leadership cannot be trusted. Why? Because they will avoid saying anything controversial because under 501 (C) (3) regulations, a tax-exempt foundation cannot profess any political beliefs…


  2. These guys have been making it up as they go along for many centuries…………so too have governments of the larger countries, just making it up as they go along…lol

  3. Priest’s PC Autoplays Gay Porn Slideshow to Congregation
    Father Martin McVeigh was giving a talk to 26 parents and one 8-year-old kid when computer disaster struck. He connected his USB drive into a PC to start his Powerpoint presentation and, instead of the word of God, a hardcore gay porn slideshow started—thanks to Windows’ autoplay.

    Some parents—who were there to hear McVeigh talk about First Communion—were angry. Others were in shock. Just like McVeigh. He was so embarrassed that, according to witnesses, unplugged the USB drive and walked out of the room without uttering a single word. Later he declared to the press:

    I don’t know how it happened but I know what happened. There are people making innuendoes who weren’t even there but in this day and age these stories grow.

    Well, Father, I think there’s little space for innuendo after showing gay porn in church. McVeigh, however, claims there is an explanation for all this.

    The Archdiocese of Armagh, where the parish belongs, called the police and gave them the USB stick for inspection. The police told them there was no crime in gay porn and the drive didn’t contain any pedophilia. It was just normal gay porn.


  4. The church has taken an apologist position in recent years. It has surrendered it influence to the political institution!

  5. Many of these modern day men of the cloth, are reinforcing the non-believers belief that religion was introduced to keep the masses in subjection. There are no difference today as they embark on a crusade to hold the same masses at ransom, to the benefit of a select few. Today its gays, tomorrow its paedophiles.
    Looks like Stalin, got it right after all, when he turned churches into factories at the start of the RR.

  6. I know I’ll probably catch some heat for advancing this comment, but I am going to do it anyway. Now, as I’ve said on a former occasion, and I’ll say it again: the Christian church has relinguished its position as the voice of moral correctness in our society today. And some have the audacious impudicity to question the paradigmatic shift that has given rise to the moral decrepitude of our present age.

  7. @ Mark fenty | November 13, 2013 at 5:18 PM |
    “And some have the audacious impudicity to question the paradigmatic shift that has given rise to the moral decrepitude of our present age.”

    Moral decrepitude of our present age?
    What are people doing today that they did not do in previous ages? We will tell you this much. Black people in Barbados should feel much better off living today than say 200 years ago when they were slaves and living in a social system that viewed them as sub-human
    A system propped up by the very Christian Church that should have been the biggest champion of the rights and freedom of the blacks. Ask Sarah Ann Gill by way of a séance!
    The Christian Church has never been or ever will be the voice of moral correctness as long as the lies and deceit that make up its foundation remain in tact.

  8. @ Colonel Buddy
    Now, I categorically and unequivocally agree that we ought to repudiate as well as expose the kind of conduct that affronts the divine principles of the Hebrew Scripture. But that does not go without saying, that you and I need also to look ourselves in the unfettered mirror of truth, with respect to our faults and failings as human beings. Now, perhaps, the conduct of these men of the cloth, is a sure sign of the manifestation of the Bible right before our eyes?

  9. @ Miller
    It is important that you get your hands on a copy of Dr. Arthur Lewis book. In order, to ascertian reason why Christian Europe had allowed the slave trade to expand as it did in the Western hemisphere.

  10. @ Miller
    I do not pretend to have all of the answers, to all of the questions. But in due time, I’ll give voice to your questions regarding Biblical morality. But let me say this though: you ought to judge the interpreters of the Book and not the Book in of itself.

  11. @ Mark fenty | November 13, 2013 at 6:22 PM |

    You have just contradicted yourself and proved the point the Christian Church is in no way in a position to dictate on pontificate on the mechanics of morality, not in the past and certainly not now.
    Maybe if you take a leaf out of Pope Francis’s book your business of religion might just get a stay of execution to survive for another 50 years. Contact with any alien life form in our galaxy would certainly debunk the lying myth and cause the entire collapse of the god business on Earth.

  12. Miller

    I realize that part of you will be repelled by this suggestion for reasons which in most respects I am sympatico with but – isn’t it time to found a gay church here, ie a church to which all people are encouraged to come, an entirely inclusive church, a church with little dogma but much support and love minus any suggestion of condescension. We would, I think, be in line with the Quakers.

  13. Miller, it is never enought to assume a position without the necessary facts, because it causes your argument to fall flat on it face. Now, Dr. Arthur Lewis argues that, “The fundamental reason Christianized Europe had supported slave trade was due in part to the skilful persuation of the slave traders; who had convinced the Church Hierarchy that the African was sub – human in nature.”

  14. Questioin for you Miller: without the concept of divine morality, where does the concepts of right as well as wrong and good/ evil derives they essence?

  15. @ Miller
    I’ve had this conversation before, and I am afraid to say that it leads one into a cycle of perpetuity. Which makes it senseless by all intents and purposes, because it creates in some of us a propensity to overestimate the particular worldview we’re endeavoring to defend. Nevertheless, I believe that the atheist worldview is recipe for moral anarchy, because everyone does what he/ she wants, even if it means threatening or harming others. And I would argue further: that this particular worldview is problematic, because the individual assumes the ultimate moral authority in determining right as well as wrong and good as well as evil.. Now, I know some of us often contemplate the utopian concept of reality, where we determine what’s right and what’s wrong in our lives. But such thinking rest solely in one’ s imagination, and does not in anyway reflect a world that is predicated upon the ideas of God.

  16. The final point I am going to make with respect to this topic is this: in a world devoid of a concept of God, there isn’t any moral standard upon which to stand.

  17. Miller

    Have you run away? Of course, I DO understand. But you might address MY proposal if only to dismiss it, say, in terms that the ‘church’ would be burned down by the mob.

  18. OFF TOPIC; but

    This from “PM calls on Christians to be strong in face of challenges” in the Advocate today.

    “As we try to work our way through the daily challenges which bedevil us as a result of the crisis which is at present afflicting the world, it is important that you remember your role as Christians,” the PM urged.

    “If people who are not Christians, if people who do not have your faith, if people who are not reinforced by the same beliefs as you see you wilting under pressure and flaking in the face of minor challenges, they will flake too. Because if you claim to have the grace of God with you, if you claim to be reinforced by a faith that can move mountains and when faced with daily challenges you are ready to succumb and to unravel, those who are not so reinforced are bound to feel that the God you worship is suffering with arthritis or that He is in some kind of wheelchair and that He is no help to anybody,” Prime Minister Stuart remarked.

    “So you must always remember that you are the salt of the earth. You must always remember that you are the light of the world and that if your light does not shine, those who need the hope that is in you, will not be rescued from their own perils,” the PM told local and regional Church of God delegates.

    Does the PM not include those of the Jewish, Muslim, Sikh and other faiths among the salt of the earth?

  19. Any fool can interpretively extrapolated that PM message was directed towards a targeted audience. But he was probably guilty as a leader of a country to have directed his message so narrowly to a selected few.

  20. Hey ,Sean “Do you know that your daughter is a Prostitute?” asked Paul.
    ” My gad ,Paul, you had me there!!! . I thought for a moment you said Protestant.” replied Sean.

  21. Point well taking, but the PM’s actions certainly shows his lack of sensitive to the existing religious elements in Barbados. He ought to have known better and should have exercised bad judgment; one would have hoped .

  22. Just like the “fools” in the Philippines who were asking where was God during the crisis they faced – isn’t strange how God gets a bad rap when all hell breaks loose but when things are good it is religion and the business of the day as usual. You can’t have it both ways!

  23. Does the PM not include those of the Jewish, Muslim, Sikh and other faiths among the salt of the earth?
    Do these include us in anything ?

  24. The thinly veiled hyperbole espoused by the PM above; offers us a bird’s eye view in to the values, principles, and convictions that influences his thinking. And whether rightfully concieved, or wrongfully interpreted, it takes a leader with the audacity, the temerity, and the unmitigated gall to affront a certain segment of the religious community. As he seeks to aggrandized the scope of the particular religious worldview he obviously ascribes to.

  25. Politicians tend to use the pulpit to spread their political poisons and agenda, just like the priest/reverends use to pulpit to brainwash the masses into giving money and the children into giving sex……a disgusting and nasty lot all of them.

  26. In a recent POLL the Philippines was voted the most religious country on earth. I guess their Catholic “gods” couldn’t save them…LOL

    Re-LIE-gion today is about money, sex, power and social control. FOOLS fall headlong into the trap. TRUE* religion on the other hand is a deeply-held, “personal” belief system that exist between an individual and his/her GOD resulting in a clean, morally-upright life, free from the vagaries and contamination of secular, amoral, humanist existence!

    Government-sponsored sanctioned religiosity is just another opiate for the masses to smoke and get “high” resulting in inertia, immotivational syndromes and the insatiable “munchies” to gobble down as much drivel as possible to satisfy the hole in the soul.

    BURN the churches as they did in the French Revolution or give them over to the speculators to turn in homes for the homeless or poor!

  27. The Prime Minister is CORRECT! He sees the underlying class warfare in the country. Too few have too much and too many bear the brunt. Barbados has always been a Christian nation! We allowed ourselves to be “INFILTRATED” by JESUITS, MUSLIMS, HINDUS, SHEIKS & a whole pack of pagan sympathizers who frankly know that we could not “INVADE” their territories without stark consequences. As soon as we can build a “CHURCH” in SAUDI ARABIA – then the playing field will be level!

  28. ANON……….never miss the point that it is the DLP/BLP allowed all these different religions into Barbados to do as they damn well please, even turning a blind eye when they break the laws of the island……case in point, a man is allowed only one wife on the island, it is the LAW, black men are arrested, named and shamed on the island for breaking this law, yet muslim men have 3 and 4 WIVES in Barbados and the SAME DLP/BLP governments and DPP/police force turn a blind eye to this blatant disregard for the island’s BIGAMY LAWS… We can’t blame the population for this, the politicians/police have to be blamed, and that is only one example of how these people are allowed free rein on the island.

  29. Anon, you ought to examine your words with a strict scrutiny, because you’re beginning to sound more like bigot. Who expresses Islamophobic as well as xenophobic tendencies (!) Don’t you know that the entire concept of the Abrahamic religion is predicated upon self – determination? The same self – determination, Adam exercised in the garden of Eden to contravened God’s directives.

  30. Anon, I am still preplexed by the thought of you validating a statement that is loaded with, religious – bigotry, ignorance, intolerance, and the want of understanding. The PM’s statement ought to be repudiated at all cost, because it undermines the very principles the underpinned our democratic way of life.

  31. Well Well. | November 15, 2013 at 7:13 AM |
    Politicians tend to use the pulpit to spread their political poisons and agenda.
    . ………………………………………………………….
    And for the life of me I cannot understand how members of the Clergy could allow politicians to stand up in their so called hallowed churches and address the congregation, when no member of the clergy can go into the most august Houses of Parliament and dare open his’her mouth, unless, he/she is the politically appointed padre,who speaks only on request.
    It goes to show, its not only the party political hacks out there who put a politician before God, but the Clergy are doing the same.
    Very often we see politicians turning up at funerals, a campaign ploy,and no matter how late they deliberately arrive ,so as to be seen, like S.M.Marshall, there is always a seat provided for them, followed by an acknowledgement , a treat that is not always offered to visiting clergy of another faith .
    I thought that in any church , Christ takes precedent, and at a funereal the deceased comes in at #2.

  32. And Anon, who cares whether or not Barbados was once a Christian society? That’s not really the issue before the court of public opinion here. The fact is, we’re now living in the global – age (at least the rest of the world) and alone with that comes the movement of populations, with their unique forms of cultures and unique ways of viewing the world. But, it seems as though some Barbadians ( you yourself included) are still enveloped in this isolated, backward, tribal enclase mentality. Listen! We cannot afford to assume an isolationist and unilateral position in the face of this new emerging global phenomenon.

  33. Now, if we allow globalization to work as it should….. then the issue of race… the issue of religion… and the issue of markets inequailites etc …. should desolved as issues of pressing concerns.

  34. David, who determines what system of government is best able to provide greatest amount of freedom, and civil liberties for it citizenry?

    • It is a good question.

      The idealistic response is that in a democracy ALL views congeal and a ‘position’ emerges. In the real world we know there are heavy pockets of influence which shape how we live.

  35. Well Well you should be thanking these guys with 3 or four wives and cauliflower ears, have you seen some of these mutts? if somebody was not marrying these extra women they would be competing with you for love and attention, and from what I have seen on the island it a lot of the boys have permanent booze goggles on thinking there all 10s no matter what they look like.

  36. Well, David, it is only through the collective exercise of the intellect and man’s imagination, that we’re better able to arrive as such determination.

  37. David, I am quite cognizant of the fact that globalization is a human construct. And perhaps, I should have articulated what meant to convey about globalization in more conspicuos terms. Now what really I meant regarding globalization is this: there are critics and oppenents who are vehemently working as we speak, to undermine this new global presence. And, therefore, we haven’t really seen as yet, this new global exercise reached its intended purpose/ full potential.

    • @Mark Fenty

      Theoretically your ‘surmisation’ maybe correct but like any construct which must stand the test of time it must have the capacity to absorb withstand tensions and discord which are inevitable with anything man made.

  38. David, I’ll give you such example that critics makes about globalization. Their are of the opinion that, ” Globalization, destroys the states ability to regulate their national economies, raise taxes, and spend money on public good and social welfare.” It seems like their are say that globalization undermine democracy, by imposing in its place the rules of unaccountable bureaucrats, corporations and market?

  39. Political correctness gone mad! Stuff the court of public opinion. The Barbados of my grandparents was not perfect but it was not the MESS it is today. Social construction, the McDonaldization of society, globalization – called it whatever the hell you like, the world is a CRAP place, where having an opinion is dangerous to your health. Again, the PM is damn right to voice his opinion, like it or lump it, he is appealing to a core of constituents whose voice is being silenced because the fools with the money in the country have the so-called popular color of the day! If the idiots who are criticizing the PM by using feeble words like bigotry, ignorance and all kinds of innuendos believe that they have the ability to change the elephant in the room, good luck to ’em. No amount of Bible thumping, crooked interpretations and miscontexualization can change the obvious or the inevitable. I applaud the PM for uncovering an ant’s nest!

  40. @ANON ” the American Holocaust which has witnessed the murder of over 50 million American babies, since Roe v. Wade, in 1973?”

    And if those 50 million American babies had been born, and their children, and grandchildren, whose food would those extra 100 million people be eating?

    Don’t you think that there are enough people in the world as is?

    And tobesides no 50 million babes were murdered. That is a LIE.

    Parents, and especially mothers decide one at a time that they didn’t want any more children, or any children at all, or not any children now.

    You really should mind your own business instead of telling trying to tell other people how to live their lives.


  41. @Mark fenty November 13, 2013 at 6:22 PM @ Miller “It is important that you get your hands on a copy of Dr. Arthur Lewis book. In order, to ascertian reason why Christian Europe had allowed the slave trade to expand as it did in the Western hemisphere.”

    Look Mark. We know why Christian Europe had allowed the slave trade to expand as it did in the Western hemisphere.

    1. Christian was not nor is Christian.

    2. They were in in the slavery business for the money.

    3. And the easy life. After all it must have been pretty cool for the Europeans to have some body else do all their work, while they [the Europeans] kept all the money

  42. @ANON “The love of money is the root of all evil and if your church is a tax-exempt 501 (C) (3), then your Pastor and your church leadership cannot be trusted. Why? Because they will avoid saying anything controversial because under 501 (C) (3) regulations, a tax-exempt foundation cannot profess any political beliefs…”

    Dear Anon:

    1. Do you understand that the whole world in not the United States of America?

    2. Do you know that 501 (C) (3) regulations do not apply outside of the United States?

    3. Do you know that this is a Bajan blog?

    So why are you writing provincial nonsense on our blog?

  43. Simple simon met a pieman…

    Is that why the legal governing political bodies who oversee charities, churches & non-profits in Barbados was recently so scathing about the lack of transparency (especially regarding churches) over their lack of fiscal accountability?

    It was for that reason that CAIPO has had their restrictions tightened and many so-called churches and non-profits have been struck off the register?

    The reference to 501 organizations was merely an accent placed on GOVERNMENT-CONTROLLED organizations masquerading as churches and hallowed institutions. Maybe I should’ve said organizations registered under CAP 243. LOL!

    You people are really simpletons.

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