Without getting too much into the new twist to the thread, it’s worth thinking about what the communique says:
“They also agreed that household domestics who have obtained a Caribbean Vocational Qualification or equivalent qualification will be allowed to move with effect from 1 January 2010.”

This is a door that swings both ways. For Barbados, say, national domestics in this country are not (and may not be held) to this ‘standard’; so a foreign worker should face an initial barrier, and at the outset for sure (unless some can show that a stock of already certified domestics exists outside the country) the barrier may be hard to cross.

Looking ahead, it also says to national domestics, who perhaps wanted to move but could not because of their supposed lack of ‘skill’, if you now qualify/get vocational training, you may benefit from moving in the region. That opens a door for outward migration within the region that was previously closed.

(I think I have the logic right, but others can consider. It is also predicated on there being a regional standard. It would be a nonsense to let each country determine the standard, which could obviously be manipulated.)

Anonjam,
You are unlikely to find an applicable clause in the Revised Treaty of Charaguamas (RTC) dealing with your query. In practice, however, the granting of skills certificates implicitly says that if you enter as a domestic, you are expected to work as a domestic. If I am not mistaken, a stamp is placed in your passport indicating that the permission granted to the individual to stay in the island is based on the possession of a skills certificate. If a domestic therefore is employed, e.g., as a shop assistant, that permission can be revoked.

Anonymous,
Individuals with skills certificates relocating to Barbados do not have automatic permission to bring their families with them. That permission is granted on a discretionary basis.

The ‘Rights of Establishments’ provisions of the RTC apply mainly to CARICOM nationals setting up businesses in CARICOM countries other than their own.

Anonjam,
‘Article 46, Clause 3 of the Revised Treaty of Chaguaramas: Movement of Skilled Community Nationals’ states the following:

“Nothing in this Treaty shall be construed as inhibiting Member States from according Community nationals unrestricted access to, and movement within, their jurisdictions subject to such conditions as the public interest may require.”

Interpretation of the article says that even though you have a skills certificate, the host country can still impose conditions that are in the public interest of the host country.

Now, consider the following scenario. In 2010, Barbados approves skill certificates for 1,000 domestic workers from other CARICOM countries. In 2011 the 1,000 domestic workers migrate to higher paying non-domestic jobs at the expense of Barbadians. Thus, there is the need to recruit 1,000 new domestic workers. In 2012, those new domestic workers migrate to higher paying non-domestic jobs once again at the expense of Barbadians, and thus there is the need to recruit once again 1,000 new domestic workers.

In such circumstances, I am convinced that Article 46, Clause 3 would allow the host country to impose conditions on the rights of the domestic workers to change jobs at will. That would be the case since it would be in the public interest of the host country to ensure that its citizens are first considered for some given range of jobs.

Interpretation of the article says that even though you have a skills certificate, the host country can still impose conditions that are in the public interest of the host country.

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I know what the treaty says. However, I am more concerned about what the local legislation says.

The treaty is pretty much just an agreement entered into by the member states. This particular treaty says that a host country can still impose conditions that are in the public interest of the host country.

The question is this: Has Barbados enacted any legislation that has imposed conditions?

I am pretty sure the relevant legislation has not restricted skilled Nationals but I can’t confirm because I am having difficulty getting my hand on the relevant legislation.

Well Mr. Holder, We will see what will happen with this free movement of domestic workers development.

The truth is. I would be very surprised if David Thompson follows though on this commitment. It is too unpopular in Barbados.

Dear 199

They got some foolish laws ’bout here that say a person can only have one spouse at a time.

I do not agree with that law, but until such time as it is changed I have as a matter of principle to obey it and so I have to keep the one spouse that I have and I cannot legally take on another.

But we live in changing time.

So maybe you and me can lobby for a person to have as many spouses as they like.

After all why is it anybody’s business if I choose to have 3 husbands and/or 6 wives.

U going to join one of the Councils?!!

It is true, but too damn late. It seems our good ole Thompy has sold us out too, it seems we just have no one to vote in anyone that we can trust.
This article….what can I say….it is completely factual in its warnings and should be seriously considered.
We are talking about social cohesion here which needs to be of great priority in a 166 sq. mile island and already we are seeing the cracks running up the proverbial walls of a build called “Barbados,” about to collapse.

Hopefully though, as Anonjam suggests: “The truth is. I would be very surprised if David Thompson follows though on this commitment. It is too unpopular in Barbados.”

BIM !

Well the Guyanese who are bad mouthing Barbados do not care. Every thing in Guyana is collapsing and they are seeking to get out before they collapse with it. It is a pity though that they are willing to break the law of soverign state, and then presumptiously “cuss out” and malign the same place they want to remain in. This behaviour seem to be ingrained in them with their struggle for racial dominance. Even the Knighted one Sir Shridath Ramphal dare to be enjoying Bajan hospitality yet accusing Bajans of “ethnic cleansing” . Why he don’t move back to his country to enjoy life where his race group is dominant and he too will not have to fear being cleansed. Barbados need to ask him to leave.

BajanS beware !!!! Jagdeo made Caricom passed a new skilled category call Household Workers so that the illegals can regularise their status.

Hold Thompson feet to the fire. Let him sort out the current immigration mess before he add this new category.

Keep the racism out of BIM. Those Indians are coming to Barbados bringing the racial politics and think they better than you, Africans. Watch out. Let Jagdeo take care of his people he cannot let them vote for him and run to BIM to take care of them.

Let the illegals to back to Guyana NOW!!!!

I’m afraid that Barbados is going to end up with the same situation we have in the UK because of joining the EU (which none of us wanted, and a promised referendum didn’t happen – more lies from our terrible amoral Government). We have people coming here – mostly from Eastern Europe, Somalia and Afghanistan – who do not want to work, whose basic integrity and value of human life is entirely different to our own (and yours), who cheat and steal and murder and want everything on their own terms. Why they came here is totally baffling as they state that they find everything about the UK and its indigenous population beyond comtempt. The Muslims immigrants (legal and illesgal) are even worse – being allowed to hold their own Sharia Courts and to build mosques (I wonder what would happen if the Pope wanted to build Catholic Cathedrals in their countries?!).
BARBADOS IS A WONDERFUL ISLAND and we love visiting it and hope to spend more time there in the future when we have retired. In the meantime YOU MUST DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO STOP YOUR GOVERNMENT passing Laws that will turn Barbados into something it isn’t and doesn’t want to be. We still hope that the UK will break with the EU but it doesn’t seem likely to happen. In the meantime crime rates are up and people living in cities are scared to go out after dusk (and sometimes even in daylight).
DON’T LET IT HAPPEN TO YOU – Learn from what has happened here and don’t be polite and complacent like us silly Brits!

Bajans,

Most Guyanese of African ancestry have roots in Barbados from an era when the migration trends were reversed and Barbadians came to Guyana. We love Barbados and are proud of your fight to contain the Indian scourge of racism that is raising its ugly head in Barbados. Guyana is lost with racism . The Indians will not work with the Africans and do not feel Africans should ever rule any Indian. So it is only a matter of time before they begin to agitate even more against Barbadians. Let African pride and dignity remain intact in Barbados which is among the most prosperous nations of the world. GO BAJANS.

@ Barbadosbelle // July 7, 2009 at 12:31 pm
(I wonder what would happen if the Pope wanted to build Catholic Cathedrals in their countries?!).

Having lived several years recently in an officially majority (90+%) Muslim country, I can point you to Catholic Cathedrals as well as a Anglican ones, (and churches catering to the wide and bizarre range of Christians that live in the country, and are very small minorities).

BTW, the country concerned, Guinea, is also a country whose main manufacturing enterprise is beer making.

I am a Christian but know that Islam is broad in its application, in a way not very different from the wide range of Christian denominations.

Be careful how broadly you paint with the brush.

@199
Last time I looked, I dont recall seeing a box saying Vote for 199 as Candidate for Supreme Ruler or the Universe, so less of the “We”. The Queen, who is both your monarch and mine has that privilege reserved for her.

I suggest you watch a few episodes of The Prisoner, still good viewing, and remember McGoohan’s line, in response to the command “You must conform!” He says, “I am not a number, I am a free man.” I guess in the negative, the meaning is equally clear.

Some other J wrote on July 7 “J // July 7, 2009 at 12:28 pm

Oh lawd! You Guyanese people bad. how you can talk about the righteous , pious and innocent Guyanese Indians so. They are above all evil, as evil only belongs to black people. You think they will do the same to Barbados black s as they do to Guyanese blacks ? Will they undermine Barbados as they did Burnham?”

Dear David:

I am J but I did NOT write the statement above.

I do NOT share those views.

Everybody who reads this blog regularly will recognize that those are NOT my views.

Somebody else is using my handle.

Please stop them from doing so.

Dear ABCDEFG:

It is deceitful t post under somebody’s else’s handle and you know it.

What are they Indians doing to Bajans?

I do not and have never lived in a world where somebody’s eye pass/cut eye bother me one way or another.

I know that I am capable of competing with anybody, anywhere in the world. In their country or in mine.

I fear no one.

And I certainly do not fear anybody’s “eye passes”

J the first or second. I repeat you are silly to think that the letter J belongs only to you and even more silly to ask that in a public blog no one else uses it. did you get the copy right for the use of the letter J. Come oe admit that you are overboard.

J the first or second. If I am Guyanese then you be enlightened that some of us have a conscience and can take a principled position. So much for thef generalizations therefore about Guyanese

Further being exposed to caribbean culture it is called acculturation when you can and do adopt the various cultures from each group of people wuth whom you interact.

But then again I do not need to prove a point to you,.

Anonymous // July 7, 2009 at 11:26 pm

ABCDEFG

seen that you have learnt the first seven letters of the English alphabet, I encourage you to try learning the other nineteen. Once that is achieved, the acquisition of the rudiments of coherent and intelligible expression may then be possible. Until such time, you are advised to severely limit your attempts at posting on any blog.

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or, ‘ABCDEFG’, in other words, you’re an idiot!! and now, **** off!! Get it?!!

Dear ABCDEFG:

No Bajan says eye pass ok.

It ain’t in the Bajan language.

I am a Bajan language expert as is 199.

And if you can acculturate don’t you think that it is possible that the “Indians” can acculturate too?

The “Indians” are neither subhuman nor superhuman.

They are just ordinary human beings.

But I don’t waste time talking to idiots, so I gone.

199, J, Anonymous,

Would it please you to know that I am Bajan born but not raised? I am the product of two Guyanese born parents who were students at Cavehill campus. After birth , I was sent to live in Guyana with my Bajan grand father and my Guyanese grand mother who raised me . My parents had sought greener pastures in the UK but not before holding prominent jobs in Barbados.

Call me GuyBajan and even British now that I have revealed me to you. But lets keep it real. The issue we should be venting on is not a name, a nationality nor an entitlement to speak in a public forum on the www. It is the breaking of laws and the maligning of Barbados by people who would not easily integrate.
In case you forget what give rise to these blogs just revisit the story “The Fear Of The Growing Ethnic Factor, Real or Imagined?” It is stated “While we must be a tolerant society, Bajans must understand that Hindu immigrants, with their high fertility rates, and their dislike of miscegenation with the Negro, have already destroyed the social cohesion of two Caribbean territories–Guyana and Trinidad. Now they are invading Barbados.”

In case you forget what give rise to these blogs just revisit the story “The Fear Of The Growing Ethnic Factor, Real or Imagined?” It is stated “While we must be a tolerant society, Bajans must understand that Hindu immigrants, with their high fertility rates, and their dislike of miscegenation with the Negro, have already destroyed the social cohesion of two Caribbean territories–Guyana and Trinidad. Now they are invading Barbados.”

Abcdefg

You are new to this site,so I will give you some friendly advice.

Ignore those 2 and continue to address the subject matter at hand.

By the way,why haven’t afo guyanese taken a more united and pulic stand against this racist indo jagdeo administration.

What about that Sam Hinds – isn’t he a real ‘house nigger’.

ABCDEFG

until you posted, I had a very favourable impression of graduates of the University of Guyana. Please desist from further undermining the high reputation of UG.