Jamaicans got a bigger problem in Antigua than they do in Barbados. Some Antiguans are more accepting of Indo Guyanese than they are of Jamaicans, or so um seems.

LIB it seems that your 30 years in HINGLAND have left you with little love for white Brit being allowed in Barbados. Your views are very similar to a bajan friend of mine who has a similar number of years in the mother land as you do. On this score and if I am correct I agree with, but will not discount the current policy because it does not appear to include the subject of your angst.

My experience with both the white Brit and Guyana indic are very similar, and therefore while I would join with you to agitate that the Brits who are fleeing England though not in poverty be included in Barbados manage migration policy, and no Amnesty for them either. ha ha ha lol!

So 199 (bimbro) are you saying that LIB 30 year British experience occured because he is Jamaican? How could they tell? ha ha ha lol!
I don’t believe that. I was in London in 2007 for a week and half, and was called a nigger. I was shocked simply because it took me several years to be called such in the US.

“I never listen to what any Jamaican has to say concerning anything at all!! As you suggested to him, “clean up your own country/people’s minds, first!! Mind u, I’m informed that they’re plenty of them currently in Bim!! The implications for Bim are obvious and horrendous!!
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You know, from what I can see, most of the Jamaicans in Barbados are professionals who are highly educated. I would think that the Jamaicans in Barbados now are probably making positive contributions to scoiety rather negative ones.

What would have driven Italy an EU member to make the act of being an illegal immigrant an illegal act?

@199
“Mind u, I’m informed that they’re plenty of them currently in Bim!! The implications for Bim are obvious and horrendous!!” To the world! Imagine, Bim could pick up some medals in London 2012 if you get them naturalised.

“To conclude, I never listen to what any Jamaican has to say concerning anything at all.” So, who you responding to?

Sense is sense and nonsense is nonsense. No matter how you parse it (due deferrence to AH).

Got to go sing the praises to the US president. Sorry to leave so abruptly.

Hopefully, over the weekend you will all be watching the Williams sisters and the Federer-Roddick match.

Life is rich.

David/BU

Did you just hear that david ellis interview with shridath ramphal.

I really got to hand it to ellis,he did ask some probing and intelligent questions this time.

When ramphal was asked why he used the term ‘ethnic cleansing’ – he said it was because of an EDITORIAL in the Nation he had read, that spoke about not disturbing the racial balance.

Asked by ellis if that constitutes ‘ethnic cleansing’ ,he said his prior comment refered to) something to the effect of) intimations of ethnic cleansing.

You could tell that he realise he was caught out with his ‘APANJAT’ policy being pushed.

By the way Negroman,I have started boycotting the nation newspaper too.

Roxanne gibbs and her odious anti- bajan bashing must be stopped.

All right thinking persons reading this blog need to put our money where our mouths are and show our disgust and dissatisfaction by not buying the Nation.

So true David.

Where the hell is arnie walters,isn’t he the minister of immigration?

What is going on with that?

I thought I’d also add the following.

http://www.caribbeanamericanforum.com/?p=951

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“BROOKLYN, NEW YORK: Guyana’s President, Bharrat Jagdeo, in his address to the 30th Meeting of Caricom Heads of Government, which began in Guyana yesterday, appealed for the human rights of Guyanese to be respected by Barbadian Immigration authorities. But Jagdeo himself is not getting a pass from the New York based Caribbean Guyana Institute for Democracy (CGID). The Institute is demanding that Jagdeo heeds his own words.

CGID President, Rickford Burke, said Friday that although he agrees in principle with the Guyanese leader, Jagdeo has no honor on the subject of human rights and must heed his own counsel. Burke added that “Barbados is not the chief abuser of the human rights of Guyanese – the Jagdeo government is. The lack of respect the Guyana government demonstrates for its own citizens and its mediocre, despotic governance, invite the mistreatment of Guyanese in the region,” Burke observed.”

On May 5, 2009 Barbados Prime Minister, David Thompson, implemented a controversial new immigration policy of deporting undocumented Caricom nationals who entered Barbados after December 2005. Since then, immigration officials have conducted early morning raids on the homes of some suspected undocumented Caricom nationals, and have “deported” or “removed” them from Barbados. Guyanese constitute the largest immigrant block in Barbados. Over eighty percent of the Barbados deportees have been Guyanese.

President Jagdeo told the conference that “While countries have a sovereign right to determine their own immigration policies, the maltreatment of CARICOM citizens is repugnant to the Revised Treaty of Chaguaramas as well as to basic human decency.” Jagdeo also said that “If nationals are treated in such a manner by their own people then the region cannot expect a third country to receive its citizens in any better way.”

Responding to Jagdeo’s comments, Burke asserted that “while defending the human rights of Guyanese is a fiduciary function of the presidency of Guyana, President Jagdeo has no credibility to make this case, as the United Nations has established, and the Guyanese people know, that his government is the biggest violator of Guyanese human rights.”

Burke accused President Jagdeo of heading a repressive ethnocracy that uses discrimination and ethnic supremacy as instruments of governance. “The Jagdeo administration has an oppressive noose around the necks of Afro-Guyanese, which they systematically tighten, as if to subjugate that population into another form of servitude and political wilderness. He said that under Mr. Jagdeo’s predominantly Indian ruling People’s Progressive Party (PPP) government, Guyana has become a “hellhole” of ethnic and racial discrimination, torture and human rights violations.

Burke backed up his allegations by citing sections 34, 35, 65 and 70 of the February 23, 2009 Report of the United Nations independent expert on minority Issues, Ms. Gay McDougall (http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/pdfid/49bfa6ec2.pdf), which was presented to the United Nations General Assembly.

Section 34-35 of the report states that: “The independent expert encountered claims of widespread and institutionalized discrimination against members of the Afro-Guyanese community and indigenous peoples. Some described the “victimization” of poor Afro-Guyanese and an informal system of rights and privileges in society to which they lack access.”

Section 65 says “Concerns were expressed by Afro-Guyanese and others regarding numerous killings of young Afro-Guyanese men from 2002 to the present day, and the existence of what has been described as a “phantom death squad”. A wide array of people within the community put the number of deaths at between 200 and 400. The reports note execution style killings, disappearances and failure to adequately record or investigate the murders. The perception is of a collusion of Government and law enforcement with known criminals to facilitate the targeting and killing of young African males.”

70 states that, “NGOs and community members raised concerns regarding serious rights violations against Afro-Guyanese including arbitrary detention without trial, torture, deaths and mistreatment in custody, and killings of innocent civilians during operations by the joint services… It is claimed that, taken as a whole, these evidence a wider pattern and practice of gross rights violations against Afro-Guyanese and a failure of due process.”

Burke said amidst such gross atrocities by the Jagdeo administration and complaints about torture and human rights violations, Caricom leaders claim that they do not wish to interfere in the internal affairs of Guyana. He however said that while he agrees with their condemnation of some Barbados immigration practices, including alleged human rights violations, he find the double standard worrisome. “Clearly, they are interfering in Barbadian domestic policy, and rightly so. But what has been happening in Guyana is far more egregious. Their silence on Guyana is therefore hypocritical and repugnant to Caricom and its Charter of Civil Society,” he added.

Burke reiterated that Barbados’ sovereignty and domestic laws must be respected and that it should be expected that violators may be brought to justice. He however contended that “Raiding the homes of individuals, violating their human rights and deporting or removing them, without due process, exclusively for overstaying their time, is indeed repugnant to the spirit of Caricom and the Revised Treaty of Chaguaramas.”

Burke, who announced that he has written the Barbadian Prime Minister on the matter, urged Thompson to treat Guyanese fleeing Guyana humanely, as discrimination is pervasive and political and economic conditions perilous. He noted that international law prohibits deporting an individual back to a country of origin where that individual could be subjected to torture or political persecution.

He argued that apart from the deplorable raids, arbitrary deportations or removals and the alleged mistreatment of Caricom nationals, the fact that those being deported or removed from Barbados allegedly are not accorded fundamental due process to assure conformity to international law, should be unacceptable to the Caricom citizenry; including Barbadians, whom he said have a long tradition in the region of upholding civil and human rights.

The CGID head again stated that immigration policy throughout the region needs to be reformed and rationalized but that unilateral, singular and uncoordinated action by one government, is counterproductive to a harmonized regional policy approach that is compatible with deeper integration. He urged leaders meeting in Georgetown to develop a Caricom approach to migration across the region.

Burke also criticized some Jagdeo supporters and others whom he said “have interjected race into the discussion.” “There is no evidence that the Barbadian policy was tinged by ethnic considerations. I stand with the Prime Minister of Barbados in rejecting this ugly tactic, which does nothing but create deeper divisions and color the real issues being debated,” the CGID President stressed. “

@Hopi
“@LIB[andlovinit]…..Je ne pas parle francais! C’est la langue de coloniser,aussi. Et oui, the life you save might be your own. So adieu/ en Jamaica. layta!”

Luvinitfitru. It is important to save life not destroy it.

Nuff said.

The Ethnic Cleansing is happening in Guyana.

@199
As one of the uncivilized wrote:
“I don’t care for no more brain washing
It isn’t good for my soul…”

not prepared to spend

–sorry–

LIB, not interested in anything u have to say about anything especially while living in Bim!!

@Romer:
hold tight and be patient with your fellow Bajans. It does take a long time for them to catch on to things.

@199
But if you met LIB you couldn’t tell he is of Jamaican heritage, and I think im like it so!. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha lol!

I said this before and I will say it again. Bajans need to summarily dismiss the comments of those who deceitfully ignore the big picture and zoom into accusations that Bajans are racist. The people who are taking this tack are intellectually dishonest, and cognitively obtuse. Because if people suddenly run out of their big and spacious house across the street from you, and run into your little house seeking boarding and lodging, the reasoning they are fleeing their big house will definitely excite your intellectual curiosity. That a slew of fractured intellects continue to ignore the obvious while taking shots at Bajans is a product of their latent antipathy for Barbados, and their zeal at finally geting an opportunity to vent that antipathy.

The President of Country who ignore gross human rights abuses of its citizens, from hideous torture and mutilations to extra-judicial lynchings, does not have an iota of morality to lecture the leader of the country to which his countrymen are fleeing, about the treatment of Caricom citizens. The fact that he does is a prime example of the kind of moral relativity that inform the views of the regime in Guyana. These people are so abjectly disassociated from values like fairness and balance that they are capable of actively squeezing the life out of an individual opponent by choking, while lecturing an audience about the values of non violence.

Sigmund Freud and many of today’s social scientists considered such personalities as schizophrenic. How do you view them?

@LIB

Winkler (white), and Patterson (negro), and Lee-Chin (Chinese/negro), and Peter Tosh (Rasta/negro)
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You lost me with “Rasta/negro”, I need some clarification.

@David/Straight Talk
Being an EU country does not mean that you have some bar on legislating against illegal immigration (which seemed to be the implication of David’s question).

The link posted has a host of inaccuracies in it, and ‘caveat emptor’: just because it’s on the Internet does not make it true.

If you really are interested in this subject of migration into larger regional spaces, you need to look at the EU carefully. Countries on the outer frontier of the EU (or other regional common area) are always at risk if they are fringed by countries that have worse economic/social/political circumstances. So, you need to look at say several/all: Italy/north east Africa; Spain&Portugal [remembering that they only joined in the mid-1980s, and in the past had posed immigration problems for the older EU members]/north west Africa; Greece/former Yugoslavia; Germany & Austria/former Soviet Union [this has now moved east as central European countries that were in the Soviet camp, such as Poland, Bulgaria, the Baltic States, have joined the EU, so now you have them as the outer edge and Russia/Ukraine/Belarus as the areas of worse circumstances]; and the Republic of Ireland [joined EU in mid 1970s, and before that its citizens/borders had used the UK mainland and the province of Ulster/Northern Ireland as its gateways legally and illegally into the EU.

France and the UK posed special problems for immigration issues within the EU because their borders extended well beyond Europe and included their former colonies and administrative units in the Caribbean, Africa, and Asia.

@David,
Much as I like to help, I’m not going to take on the role of reviewer, but would suggest that rather than just taking stuff as people post it, to do a bit of background checking. I know it’s a hard task, so don’t snarl because you think it’s impossible. But let me flag a few things.

“In 1973, due to racism against these foreigners, Algeria stopped migrating to the countries in the European Economic Community (ECC)” The oil crisis in 1973 changed Algeria’s circumstances dramatically and the country used the surge in oil prices to rebuild/redevelop the economy and thus make it less of a source of labour for France and elsewhere. Algerians did not suddenly wake up and smell the racism coffee!

“Unfortunately the housing situation in France is run by and paid for by the state” France has a large state owned sector in all spheres, but the state does not own all houses or the majority in many instances. I do not have a source that is right up to date, but look at http://www.demographia.com/db-frhomeown.htm, which shows that in some administrative areas, owner occupation is well over half.

“The hard part for these people is gaining entry into the EU, after that they probably will not even need a passport to travel from country to country as a result of the Schengen Treaty of 1985, giving all members inside the EU the right to move freely across the borders.” Rot! Free movement is for EU citizens, not just people who have entered the EU area (as we discussed elsewhere recently on Schengen visas). A foreigner in a EU country is a foreigner and can move as long as his/her entry visa is in tact, and he/she stays within the limitations of the visa–if there is a work permit, then we have no issues for work in the prescribed country only/assigned employer [eg, look at non EU citizen footballers]. But movement and right to work are not the same. And be assured, although border controls are not necessarily rigid, they are applied and if you are a suspect and found to be committing an infraction you will be denied entrance and returned from whence you came.

@LIB

You comment that the post from ST is riddled with inaccuracies and then you expect BU to do the research to prove your assertion?

For clarification, when I say “tolerance for illegal immigrants” I mean the problem was well known but not effectively tackled. Not that the presence of illegals was in any way something that the general population wanted to tolerate.

Being familiar with the excessively, thick skull of your people, it’s no wonder to me that LIB, still has n’t got the message so I’ll re-iterate it!! As CC Codogan said:

“Coming from a country, Jamaica, where murder is a national sport second only to track and field, Livinginbarbados, you are in no position to give anyone advice.

Clean up Jamaica first!”

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Try hard and see if you can get that through your thick brain LIB!!

@David
“You should email Peter Wickham or call the People’s Business Sunday Night 7.30PM sharp.”

Please send me an email on this to clarify the why. I can decide what tack I want to take. Thanks

@199
““Coming from a country, Jamaica, where murder is a national sport second only to track and field, Livinginbarbados, you are in no position to give anyone advice.” [So that those less gifted than you can determine how it works, is it the six years from birth in Jamaica that determine my cranium size and thickness. Or is it the 30 years in England that has determined its size and thickness? Or is the 20 years in the US? Or is it the time spent living in west Africa? It’s all nature and no nurture?] [Murder is not so high up the list. I suggest you read a bit further and see some of the analysis by Kevin O’Brien Chang–an interesting Jamaican/Chinese/Canadian–I do not know about his cranium size or thickness. Sex and infidelity are much higher up the Jamaican scale than both of the others combined and outstrips (bad pun) crime by miles, with a terrible propensity to impregnate the women of other men (aka ‘jacketing’, which supposedly covers about 1/3 of births).]

“I’ve never known a people so keen to tell the rest of the world what to do when their own country’s in such a mess, itself!! As we would say!!:

Idiocy pun top of idiocy!!” [I dare say that tells me that you have not travelled much or met many people. That is a pity, but you have time. I suggest you try visiting any of the following to get a taste of very opinionated people: Russia (the language is a bit tough and the winters are harsh); Germany (nicer in the summer, but also a nasty tendency to think of black people as backward); France (again, maybe language issues, but Rosetta Stone works well, and the food and wine are fantastic; they help you stomach the opinions and learning that only the French have any ideas worth considering); finally, Greece (where thoughts that civilization and the capacity for thinking can come from anywhere else is met with such ridicule that people have often been seen in tears as their heritages are demolished). If you need other tips for any of these places or in learning the languages, I can help with the Russian and French,and have good friends in Athens who can teach. My brother in law in Germany will offer a great guided tour and is fluent in German and English.

All the best and make sure that the Schengen visa is stamped for the right port of entry. Bon voyage.]

@David
“You comment that the post from ST is riddled with inaccuracies and then you expect BU to do the research to prove your assertion?”

No. You misunderstand. I followed my comment with some examples–and the contrary facts are easy to establish. I mean that certain statements such as on French state home ownership are easy to check; Algeria’s recent economic and social history is no major new story. So, I would flip it back to the author to substantiate. Hence my saying it is a hardship for you. (We’ve discussed before the moderator role, so it’s in that context. That said, I realise that the blog format does not make interaction with various posters easy, except through the threads.)

I’ll continue to offer counterfacts where I can/feel inclined.

It’s nothing short of amazing and juvenile how quick the personal insults flow once you disagree with some people’s point of view on this blog. @ Scout, have you persuaded your QC friend to say why Cumberbatch is misleading the public yet?