This is blatant racism and is unacceptable.

Turn this round and imagine how it would go down if someone in England, for instance, had written:

“While we must be a tolerant society, the English must understand that Bajan immigrants, with their high fertility rates, and their dislike of miscegenation with the Whites, have already destroyed the social cohesion of two European territories. Now they are invading England.”

This thread needs to be closed, and quickly.

You will I am sure get comments from others like St george dragon.

There will be some who cannot stand the truth,or will try to demonise you with their hypocritical nonsense.

We don’t even have to go to Fiji,mauritius or Africa – guyana and trinidad right next door are the best case studies for us to exmine and ensure our sociey does not end up with the racial hatred between the indian and the african like theirs.

If blacks are to be considered racist, it would have to be reversed racism. Blacks would easily go against their own for the whites or even indians. I have heard comments made by indo-guyanese in barbados especially when they are drunk that would never be made by a black bajan whether drunk or sober.

Scout, lholder

Point taken. But clearly this is not just a Black/Indo-Guyanese problem.Drunks of all races make outrageous, often derogatory comments about all kinds of things and all kinds of people.

Just last week, for example, I was walking through Oistins with my sister-in-law (who’s white) . A drunk/paro passed by and mumbled the words “white trash”.
I reflexively smacked him in the mouth and made him apologise, but I’m well aware that that won’t change the way he thinks.
The sad truism is, hatred and bigotry exist everywhere, in all races.

Why is it whenever the issue of race or the impact the growing ethnic population may have on a stable Black host population we all scurry for the rocks? Should it not be a commonsense position if Barbados has had a stable social and political environment for so many years to want to anticipate and monitor how entering ethnic groups may impact our society? Remember our stability has been a key tenet of our success through the years. In the case of Barbados the Indo-Guyanaes comes under the microscope only because it represents the largest growing ethnic group in Barbados. Its not about persecuting Indo- Guyanese because Barbados has entertained Indians from the sub-continent for years and we have lived side by side without issues, check Kensington New Road, Fontebelle.

David you wrote “Uganda chose to bite the bullet and deport much of its Indian population when they rejected the government’s efforts to integrate them into African society.”

Explain wah ya mean.

If you are defending Idi Amin you have to let us know.

Na big words please.

Put it in plain English

Dear David:

You wrote “While we must be a tolerant society, Bajans must understand that Hindu immigrants, with their high fertility rates, and their dislike of miscegenation”

So what is stopping Bajans form having a high fertility rate.

Maybe while other people are having and raising children we Bajans would rather jerk off in condoms which we then throw on Mangrove landfill.

Maybe we would rather say that we used 10,000 condoms in a lifetime, rather than say that we raised 3 children. After all men get bragging rights for f**ping nuff, nuff women. But nobody congratulates the child raisers of this country.

Not a nice subject to discuss since one can easily be labeled “racist”. However we have to also be realistic and study what has transpired in the countries mentioned.
Free movement will transform the Barbados social, cultural and political landscape. Check out what has happened in Antigua where some 40%of the population are new immigrants, and 25 % of them can now vote.
The Indian caste system poisons even the darkest Indian to feel that he is better than any black man, as his hair is straight or curly -ready for straightening. Many Indians from GT are really “doughlas”, mixed with African blood as blood as there were few women in the boats that brought them from India.

Hatred for blacks is widespread in Guyana. The black teachers taught their them and especially their parents and grandchildren to read and write. Today they are 45% of the population in Guyana and behave as if they are 85%. That is why there will always be problems there,

They can be a real problem as they are really transplanted Indians from India, with a short history here, and still tied to Indian culture in film etc. They are just living in this region and reaping the cream of the business and the opportunity to make money. Many are really NOT true Caribbean people as they refuse to drop their racial biases and behavior. With political power or the ability to control the swing votes, in a close election, they could create tensions that would destroy this country.

I do hope that the DLP saves this country by not backing down and not agreeing to free movement now or in the future.

@MUBB
Mauritius is part of Africa, though it is an island, not on the mainland.

@David
The earlier article was really amusing for not flagging the inflow of Britons as something worth curbing.

Making the link between the dangers of European migration is worth pondering over the weekend. Funnily, Mauritius was the home of the Dodo (aka Simpleton bird), which died out within 50-100 years of the arrival of Europeans on the island: they and their animals killed the bird, which is now extinct.

Mauritius is also often used as a key comparator with Barbados: they had similar economic structures, and have chosen similar development paths from agriculture to finance/tourism based economies; they have similar populations densities (1.3 million/780 sq miles versus 0.28 million/166 sq miles). Mauritius was populated by migrants and after the Europeans came, there were Chinese, Indians, Arabs, various Creoles, and Hindus who now make up the dominant religious group (over 50%). You can think who is the disruptive element, if any, in that community.

It’s also worth reflecting even harder on European migration and its decimating effect on host populations. With that concern, I really wonder if the current thrust of tourism, with its focus on welcoming millions of Europeans and their descendants is not more of a threat to an island like Barbados. Remember, before the Europeans arrived in the Americas, there were Incas, Mayans, Caribs, Arawaks, and others. Not long after, they were dead due to the transmission of disease and other things like just being killed by the new arrivals. Do Bajans really feel safe with all those English people walking around freely and mixing with the population?

Just a view (not status quo, I hope).

try again;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7777912.stm

J,
You really are something else! Some men like to brag about their conquests; I suppose that it is an ego thing.

As for you, you seem to have forgot that the Scriptures say, “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by everthing that proceeds from the mouth of God.” I am quite sure that you are also familiar with the two Sparrow calypsos, ‘Congo Man’, and ‘I Never Eat a White Meat Yet’.

On a more serious note, yes, we should not rush to judge people based on the statements they make when they are drunk. Yes, I like my libations, and on occasions I have drunk too much and talk foolishness. But never in my inebriated state have I made racist comments. The reason is simple; such thoughts are not in my sub-conscious mind.

Let me relate a personal incident. One Sunday, I had some errands to do, and it took me up to the afternoon to finish them. On my way home, I stopped at a bar in Haggatt Hall. The bar, the name of which is ‘Kaiteur…..’, is operated by Guyanese East Indians, and is also frequented by Indo-Guyanese. During the time I spent there, I was the only black person. A drunk East Indian got up from the table he was sitting at, approached me, and started to ramble on about a lot of foolishness. The last thing he said to me, without any provocation, was that “I look like a dead.”

How should I interpret his behaviour?

My incident is not alone. I have heard of quite a few incidents where, when drunk, some Indo-Guyanese express their hatred for ‘niggers’. One guy is alleged to have said that he and others in his village used to beat Afro-Guyanese found in the village.

My contention, therefore, is that you cannot ignore all the alleged incidents or statements simply because the offending individuals were drunk.

@LHolder
“My contention, therefore, is that you cannot ignore all the alleged incidents or statements simply because the offending individuals were drunk.”

I really have to wonder if this is April 1, or a scene from a satire.

Alcohol is now supposed to be some sort of truth serum? Let’s take this argument to logical conclusion. When the police pick up a drunk they can be more assured that what is said by such a person as being the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth (so help me God)? Can a lawyer help us here on how courts view that. Should we ply people with alcohol so that we can get to their deeper beliefs?

A lot of our social structure has been built on the pillar of sobriety. I now feel that this is in danger of being overturned and that alcoholism could be the new mantra. Does Barbados have a branch of AA?

Let me too retell a personal tale. When I worked at a central bank in England, one Director looked at me (obviously a negro) and said, in full seriousness, “Let’s try to find the niggers in the woodpile.” I did not smell his breath to check if he were drunk or sober, but the remark was deeply offensive and I told him so. Another time, while playing football, a drunken woman standing by the pitch came up to me and told me that she loved black men and wanted to have sex with me there on the pitch. I was flattered but thought better of accepting the offer. Had I acquiesced, and the lady later accused me of rape, should I have said in my defence, “But, your honour, she was drunk and clearly was speaking from the heart.”?

Lindsay holder

Check out starbroek news article ‘immigration row heats up summit launch’ – and read the opening remarks of Jagdeo.

Read also how ralph gonsalves was egging him on by clapping during the speech as he made various remarks.

I hope thompson does not respond with some mamby-pamby diplomatic shite and will as you said earlier -‘take the gloves off’.

reluctant non-believer
You are a lucky man; how dare you go slapping a black bajan, paro or not for speaking out of his own mouth. I think if ever you see that paro again you owe him an apology. As long as he didn’t touch or assault you or your ladyfriend, you were out of place and again lucky that some other sober bajan didn’t see the incedent and administer a rare but serious bajan whipping on you. Just smile and continue on your way next time; take my advice

I just you did it to please or impress your white friend.

Lord help us people.

Read the article on line in the nation where walter maloney says persons are calling up immigration officers and threatening them.

This thing is all out war.

Owen arthur let all of these blasted coolie people in this country and now they are causing bare shite in this country.

All the years other caribbean people here in this country and nothing so ever happen.

It just shows you if we had allowed these people to stay and take root it would have been massive destruction across the whole of barbados.

THIS THING IS VERY SERIOUS!

Next thing is that article by jeff cumberbatch.

You see who the nation newspaper seek out for comments -not people like lindsay holder – but people like cumberbatch who will side with the agenda of the nation.

Instead of giving support to the government and people of barbados – who pay his salary up at the university – of which he gives nothing back to this society – he up there encouraging guyanese to sue the government of barbados by telling them about rights under the constitution.

I suppose all of those lil indian young girls studying law up at cave hill -have to be given the assurance that he is on their side – or else….

J
Take it from me, indo-guyanese believe that blacks are the scruff of the earth. While in Guyana, I worked with some indo-guyanese, one Sat. i was in Demico Beer Garden with some friend (blacks) when one of these indo-guyanese came in, he came over and offer me a beer with the comment ” don’t mind you’re black you alright.” I refused the beer, he never spoke to me again. Funny thing I was in a shop near me quite recently and some indo-guyanese were in the shop doing their usual Sat evening thing, getting drunk. One guy turned to the shopkeeper and told him to give me a beer because I’m one of the good black men. Again I refused the beer and walked out of the shop. Some black bajans in the shop were laughing at the comment. I said” forgive them, for what they say” as I left. We haven’t seen the worse of them yet. I KNOW it is just a matter of time something serious happens. These indo-guyanese are so culturally dumb at it is not unusual for a group of “friends” to start on their sat. drinking spree and end up fighting and chopping up each other. Is this what barbados will come to?

This thread exposes the real reason behind the call for “managed migration”.

Is D.Thompson by articulating the policy of managed migration going to be inadvertently placed in the company of such people as Enoch Powell (rivers of blood fame), Alfred Deakin (White Australia only immigration policy), Daniel Malan (Apartheid in South Africa), Hassan Ngeza editor of Kagura (motivated the Rwanda massacre of Tutsis), S. Milosevic (ethnic cleansing in the Balkans), George Speight (Fiji coup leader in 2000) , Nathan Forrest (organiser of the Ku Klux Klan) and A. Hitler (the final solution i.e the Holocaust)?

LIB,
You mentioned Churchill.

Following are some famous quotes from that icon of a man, and not all of them are related to drunken behaviour. Some were made when he was quite sober, and are very applicable to the ongoing immigration discussion.

“Lady Nancy Astor: Winston, if you were my husband, I’d poison your tea.
Churchill: Nancy, if I were your husband, I’d drink it.”

“’Elizabeth Braddock: You are drunk Sir Winston, you are disgustingly drunk. ‘Yes, Mrs. Braddock, I am drunk. But you, Mrs. Braddock are ugly, and disgustingly fat. But, tomorrow morning, I, Winston Churchill will be sober.”

“One ought never to turn one’s back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half.”

“Never give in, never give in, never; never; never; never – in nothing, great or small, large or petty – never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense”

“An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile hoping it will eat him last.”

“The farther backwards you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see.”

“In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies.”

“I gather, young man, that you wish to be a Member of Parliament. The first lesson that you must learn is, when I call for statistics about the rate of infant mortality, what I want is proof that fewer babies died when I was Prime Minister than when anyone else was Prime Minister. That is a political statistic.”

@LIB

No we are not overyly concern about the English migrant at this time.

“I suppose all of those lil indian young girls studying law up at cave hill -have to be given the assurance that he is on their side – or else….”

************

Prepare yourselves for the advent of an Indian, Prime minister or an Indian-government! And you and Arthur, will have invited it upon yourselves!!

@LIB

The pragmatist may say to you that current realities require Barbadians to engage this issue steeped in the current reality I.e. a failed state is raining down migrants on our little country and we need to fix it now.

@LHolder
A good set of Winston’s quotations, and they should make everyone smile.

I cited Churchill for several reasons, one of which was to draw comparison to stories of a prominent local politician. There may be good reasons to listen to what drunks say, that is true. But, it is not a good general proposition. (I’m taking your credentials as an economist as given, so hope you can accept that remark.)

Churchill is good to think about. He was known to be a giften person from an early age (and time at a good school helped nurture that). He had a good Army career, a brilliant political career too. The man was an artist of no little talent and he was a good enough writer to get a Nobel Prize for Literature. He was widely acknowledged as a great statesman. Therefore, his drunken mutterings could be set against all he did and said. Ok, he could have been drunk all the time, but that would make his greatness even more astonishing. But, had the man been known to be a fool or not known at all, why would I really give a tinker’s cuss about what he said?

BU agreed/published, and I quote:
“Hindu immigrants… have already destroyed the social cohesion of two Caribbean territories”.

YOU: “All Hindus are racist”, is that not what you are publishing BU?

Shame!!!

You are fanning racist flames, and that is promotion of racism/xenophobia. It is
ILLEGAL
to do so.

You are confusing the present day issues by doing so.

No respect for this Nazi tactic.

Racist, BU.
Racist BU.

At 7:34 Scout wrote “These “indo-guyanese are so culturally dumb at it is not unusual for a group of “friends” to start on their sat. drinking spree and end up fighting and chopping up each other.”

Dear Scout: In the nice, quiet, Christian, rural, Bajan village in which I was born and raised I’ve known of three black Bajan men who killed another 3 black Bajan men while all six of them were as drunk as Churchill (or as drunk as English Lords). When they were not drunk all 6 of the men were very nice guys and friends.

I am sure that if the Scout and others on this blog are honest they can relate similar stories, after all those thousand men at Dodds are all the products of nice, quiet, Christian, Bajan villages.

Just adding some perspective to the discussion

3 dead men.

3 men in jail.

And that is only off the top of my head. If I had the time to sit down and study it I am sure that there were more cases.

So yes young men sometimes kill other young men when they are all drunk.

It ain’t a Bajan thing, not a Guyanese thing, or a Christian thing, or a Hindu thing, nor a Muslim thing either (cause dem does get drunk and behave bad too)