@ TRENTON

“This will be a never ending debate. The facts are being distorted by the conspiracy theorist. At the end of the day I cannot make the brother believe that he has lost his way…”

Brother ALDRED* has not left THE TOWER OF BABEL like too many in the Caribbean who as @ BK opines cannot even drag themselves past BUSSA’S* HISTORICAL* CHAINS OF SLAVERY…

What is sad is the indoctrination and FALSE* education we have received AT THE HANDS OF FEEBLE* EDUCATORS and there are VERY, VERY FEW* who take the time or PAINS* to work the GREY MATTER* that God gave them… They rather have others READ& SPELL for them!!!

If BLACK HISTORY* is so painful and we are having problems with the necessary catharsis – as Caribbean people all we need to do is take a year off and spend that time enriching yourself with the TRUTHS* of HISTORY*…

Seeing that AMERICANIZATION* has so brainwashed us – then take a LOOK AT THE MESO-AMERICAN ANTHROPOLOGICAL HISTORICAL EVIDENCE…

IF AFRICA* STILL PAINTS NEGATIVE WORD PICTURES IN THE MIND – THEN GO BACK AND READ THE RICH HISTORICAL LEGACIES OF BLACK EMPIRES WHICH REMAIN PART OF OUR UNWRITTEN HISTORY…

As a 21st century CHRISTIAN* I still believe that my “PLASTIC” LIBRARY* CARD** is the most powerful piece plastic in my wallet – more powerful than AMEX, DINERS, VISA, MC or any other contraption we deem IMPORTANT!!!

There are BLACK* Christians who have NEVER* read the BIBLE from cover to cover – but I have an “ADOPTED” Mom (84 years old) who reads her Bible through ever single year for the last decade – and still has Bible studies in her home every Tuesday morning…

There are UNDERGRADUATE* Uni* students who are starting TODAY*, Monday, September 5th, 2011 for the 1st time on 3 & 4 year courses that will not READ* a single book from cover to cover in the entire time they are in university but will complain that they are struggling with course work, CONCEPTS* and EXAMS…

We have so-called GROWN-UPS* who have not READ a single BOOK* in the last 10, maybe even 20 years but will want to argue from a VANTAGE* point of astute academic proficiency…

Come on FOLKS!!!

Wisdom maybe a GOD-GIVEN* gift – but knowledge is the responsibility of the INDIVIDUAL*… UNDERSTANDING* is the MELODY* which synchronizes the symphonic harmony between the two…

Check the BOOKSTORES* in your town-centers and see who are the BULK* of writers…

SADLY, IT AIN’T BLACK* FOLKS** – and for the few of us who are attempting to undertake the literary journey – our FOCUS* is on book sales at any cost; any kind of notoriety (as bad press is OFTEN* the best press) and the choice of TOPICS* which EVOKE* public sentiment, hinge around a few specialty areas (and we all know what they are) – forgetting that the LEGACY of our scholarship will still be there for our grand-kids and others when we are long gone…

DARWIN’S CURSE* is still self-evident amongst HIS FAMILY, and all those who have bought into his DEVILISH brand of philosophy almost 200 years after his birth…

The question is – “WILL WE BE LEAVING THEM SOMETHING THAT WILL HELP IN CHANGING THE WORLD FOR BETTER OR A BUNCH A CRAP* THAT ADDS TO SOCIAL INSTABILITY AND CHRONIC MYOPIA.”???

@ DAVID

THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS DONE A TRAGIC DISSERVICE TO THE CAUSE OF CHRIST AND I HAVE NOT MADE ANY FRIENDS NEAR AND AFAR BECAUSE OF MY CONSTANT “swashbuckling” WITH MY QUILL…

BUT I CONSIDER MYSELF A NEO-REFORMATIONIST*; AN ANTI-VATICAN PROTAGONISTS AND A WARRIOR AGAINST THE EMERGING “ANTICHRIST” SYSTEM THAT IS BEING SET UP ON THIS EARTH…

Here’s some ‘ole news that may not come as a surprise to anyone!!!!

Vatican Christmas Shocker! Pope says child rape isn’t that bad, was normal back in his day..

Belfast Telegraph -Tue, 21 Dec 2010 02:08 CST

Is the game up for the Catholic Church? Sadly not, as many of its brainwashed members will continue to support it in spite of its now overt symptoms of psychopathology…

Victims of clerical sex abuse have reacted furiously to Pope Benedict’s claim yesterday that paedophilia wasn’t considered an “absolute evil” as recently as the 1970s…

READ MORE:

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/220257-Vatican-Christmas-Shocker-Pope-says-child-rape-isn-t-that-bad-was-normal-back-in-his-day

Technician | September 5, 2011 at 1:13 PM |

DNFTT, DNTT, DNFTT!!!
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Which Troll Techy, dey gotta lotta dem ’bout here these days ….

So some fellas write a book about what some people did and what I should do. Some of it seems reasonable, like doan tief an doan kill people etc.

It is up to me to choose if wha dese fellas write has any value in helping me to be a good person.

I have a choice to follow the good parts of the teachings or to be a vagabond or someting in between.

Yuh gotta have faith. or not.

@Zoe: “Roman Catholicism IS* the most WICKED* EVIL* Religious/Political Institution, EVER* to exist on planet earth. It has NEVER* being a Christian Church, and NEVER* will be!

OK. Then Zoe… Who are you telling us we should trust ABSOLUTELY*?

@TB

Just hate it when you guys beat up on the other religions. Just believe in what you want to believe and forget about the rest.

ki, I believe there’s a very food reason why Jesus didn’t ‘liberate’ himself from the cross, and it was in order to redeem the souls of lost people like you and me. Otherwise, my parents’ religion is good enough for me. If you choose to follow another one which is foreign and alien to our people, then that’s a matter for you. However, you shouldn’t be surprised if many people think you misguided, to say the least.

Terence, what’s with the asterisks bro? Are you alright?!!

@ DAVID

“Just hate it when you guys beat up on the other religions. Just believe in what you want to believe and forget about the rest…”

Hey BRUV* in an IDEAL* world – YES!!!

But you David happen to be a man of way above average intelligence and you know your HISTORY*…

THE REFORMERS – didn’t just BEAT* up the POPE & the EVIL* system of Catholicism by exposing its treachery, tyranny, deceit, LIES* and murder – but they were willing to pay with their lives (AND DID) for the cause of what was JUST, BIBLICALLY-CORRECT and moreover for their Protestant Faith…

So by comparison, those of us who “BASH” the religious establishment institutions (IN THE SAME WAY YOU GUYS “kick” THE JUDAS* OUT OF POLITICIANS, BANKERS & OTHERS FOR THE CAUSE OF SOCIAL RIGHTEOUSNESS) – I believe we are pretty “SOFT” compared to our HISTORICAL* antecedents and maybe even you GUYS*…

So lighten up – this is necessary work – at least it is not BELFAST* in the last 30 years…

ROFL!!!

@TB

Do you agree the Qur’an is supported by similar evidence?

What gives the edge to the Bible?

For those of you who can think for yourselves, can you all see that TMB is suffering from religious schizophrenia.

Tecchie …….you know the man well.

To Technician:
Have you ever read a book by Ellen G. White? I know that the answer is no. I also know that you are not in a position to call what she wrote crap. read one of her books, then come here and let us hear, according to you what crap she wrote. Yes, I have read several of her books, and at no time does she talk with the “mystic style” in order to bewitch any one. she puts her position and it is up to you to agree or disagree. I am sure if Terrence had some EMINENT person with forty five degrees, you would be impressed. Do some reading and come again. Borrow one of the books from Terrence. You have permission to write a lot like him too. This how you seek the truth my friend,not the sport mekking you so delight in doing here every single day.

let your wives and your children see you dance

@ Random Thoughts

“When sugar cane industry was the most profitable industry in the world and the Europeans wanted money but did not want to work in the hot sun to get it they enslaved black people from Africa, not because we black are stupid, or not because we are lazy, or because we are the accursed children of Ham (we are in fact bright, hard
working, loving children of God) They did it because we are more capable or working long hours in the hot sun that they are.”

Randoms thought, if it was as you are suggesting…would it not have been (more) sensible to have kicked the weak inadequate bastards up the rear and create the the wealth for ourselves?

What about the Trans-Saharan ‘slavery’ and the mass exploitation of African resources that are taking place in Africa and all-over the world TODAY? What about the COLONIZATION of Africa ???

your simplistic explanation sound a bit suspect. I hope the lazy bastards haven’t gotten to your ‘psyche’ with their brain-washing miss-education.

If the Bible and Jesus Christ are such a joke, why is there a concentrated effort to discredit them, it signals to me therefore that there is more in the mortar than the pestle.

If the Bible and Jesus Christ (aka God man) is plausible why is there such a concentrated effort to give them credence. This also signals there is less in the mortar than on the pestle.

religions could be viewed as the culture tradition and history of it’s people.

maybe religions should be more personalized and less institutionalized in the modern world.
Families should prey together if they share a faith

@B McDonald

“Aldred’s assertion that all black people were christianized through slavery is obviously false.”

I am not sure that this is “obviously” false. You may be mixing up two eras of slavery. The Christianising of Africans was part of what fueled and justified the slavery of the past 400 years.

“He therefore falls into error by describing the bible, which is theology as “extracts put together to convey a false history of the world.” Nothing can be further from the truth.”

Again, your conclusion here is empty, as there is evidence that the Bible is a story without historical evidence or context. For example, the immaculate conception happened long before the supposed birth of Christ. There is no historical record of Christ, Moses, Joseph and many others. There is also evidence that the priests and scholars over more than 2000 years consistently re-wrote and revised the Bible.

“Finally, Aldred must know that the Roman Empire also enslaved white races, even after the advent of the church. His cunduct therefore is duplicitous, at the very least.”

Enslaved or imprisoned with hard labour? But even then, that is a moot point because the meaning of slavery then does not begin to approach the spin which the white man put on it. Today people in oriental societies submit to what they call slavery in order to learn a trade or skill (which we call apprenticeship) or even to pay a debt or earn some credit. Certainly this is not what Aldred is speaking of.

Finally, in 40 minutes you can’t get all the details and therefore, it would be left to the viewer to either know or check the gaps before trying to discredit the man. As far as I can see, you seek to discredit the man based on a belief which you yourself have no proof of. In case you did not understand, Christianity starts out by saying, “I BELIEVE in God”. You therefore have no truth or proof and if you deny this, then you have been Christianised and is an example of one that Aldred speaks of.

[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX7Q_wCo5uY&w=420&h=345%5D

The Historical Origin of the Name Jesus:
The origin of the name Jesus is from the Greek god Zeus who is the same as the Roman god Jupiter.

After the invasion of Kamit (ancient Egypt) by the Greeks ,Ptolemy Soter ordered that his image/statue was or
to be placed in all of the temples of Kamit . The image was called Serapis.

A correspondence of Emperor Hadrian refers to Alexandrian worshippers of Serapis calling themselves ‘Bishops of Christ’:

‘Egypt, which you commended to me, my dearest Servianus, I have found to be wholly fickle and inconsistent, and continually wafted about by every breath of fame. The worshipers of Serapis (here) are called Christians, and those who are devoted to the god Serapis (I find), call themselves Bishops of Christ.’

–Hadrian to Servianus, 134A.D. (Quoted by Giles, ii p86)

325 A.C.E. After Constantine made Christianity an official religion the only title given to the Christ image was Serapis. The Greeks continued to call him Zeus (Iesu) in their language or Serapis when in Egypt and the Romans called him Jupiter (Iupiter).

431 A.C.E. The council of Ephesus introduced the Christ Serapis as the Messiah, during this event Isis was stripped of her attributes turned into the virgin Mary to appease the Romans. During this time there is no letter J. The capital Latin I and small i functioned as the g or j sound. For the next 800 years the I or z as in Iesu or Iupiter took the form of the sound we call the letter j. All of these letters have their root in the Egyptian alphabet.

1240 A.C.E. The monophysite Christians developed a new name for the human god or Christ Serapis due to the outdating of the name. The Romans and Greeks only used the name Serapis when in ancient Kemet. A new international name needed to be created to suit all of the Christians.
1245 A.C.E. At the first Ecumenical Council of Lyons (in France ) , under the leadership of Innocent the IV. The name Iesu or Zeus was chosen as the official name for the Christ.

1245 A.C.E. The characters Serapis 320 b.c.e. and the mythical Jehoshua ben Pandira 120 B.C.E. were put together to form the character Jesus. This was done because Serapis had no official history and Jehoshua ben Pandira had no official name. Both were mythical figures who needed a foundation.

1630 A.C.E. The letter J is used to replace the I and Iesu becomes Jesus. The Je meaning I in French and sus referring to zeus, can be referred to as “I am Zeus” In French Je never stands alone.

Source :The Historical Origin of Christianity, Walter Williams
and Gerald Massey Lectures, Gerald Massey.

@ Lemuel…..

To Technician:
Have you ever read a book by Ellen G. White? I know that the answer is no.

Oh mighty one….pray tell how you you know without a shadow of a doubt that the answer is NO.
What do you know of Techie other than what you read on BU?
What are my interests, reading habits etc?

You are a johnnie-come-lately…..wait until your trough is put to bubble in it ok.

Only an arrogant person asks and answers his own questions.

BTW…..any issues on Ellen G White or the SDA has been dealt with in detail on BU by Zoe…lol.
Even the recognition of them as a Cult.

@ Lemuel….

You state….’This is the point i am making to you ; you can not pass judgement on this issue when you obviously have no knowledge of what you speak.

Yet you also state…..’Techie, techie:
You object too much, and judging from what I have seen, in terms of YOUR contributions here, I can safely deduce that you have not read one single book by Ellen G. white.

Given your current reply, I am also sure that your interests and reading habits do not amount to much, and this is coming from a johnny come lately.

Have you realised, in you haste to chastise me that you have stated only ONE fact…..and it is ….’ this is coming from a johnny come lately….lmao!!

You have deduced just as ‘correctly’ as Ellen G White did many years ago…..wrongly!!!
I do not need Zoe or anyone else here to save me sir…I am what I am …what save what?!?

‘Do not depend on the research of others’…..are you serious??? Have you written all the books you have read??
You have shown again what so called christians are truly made of……Judgemental, arrogant, closeminded etc…… Will the TRUE Christians please stand up?!?

Techie, Techie:
The technique you are utilizing is called attack the man and cause others to ignore the substance. I asked you a question; have you EVER read one of Mrs. White’s book. Such a simple question such a massive remonstration. You started the chastising process not me. Never said did I say that I was the author of any books, or did I say that I have read a lot of books. stop putting words in my mouth. You made an claim against the lady; yet it is again quite clearly that you have not read any thing written by her. How did then acquire the “truth” that you are so readily spilling all over the place. if it is an unchristian thing to say this to you Techie, I am truly sorry and should have left you festering in your ignorance.

You no doubt join others in genuflecting to the pope, yet he is a charismatic leader; he can not sin; he controls many by myths about hell punishment and purgatory. He has been foisting his game on many since AD539. These are some of the classic characteristics of CULTS. The SDA as an organization does not demonstrate any of these traits. Yes, Mrs White is recognized by the organization as a modern day prophet. Every day on 92.9 prophets are preaching, yet I do not hear you claim any of these organizations to be a cult. There are even disciples. Do not let one go on the internet and feed you research information get it for yourself; make your argument, and we can be very good friends. For then I know that techie is really a tech man in trute.

To Technician:
You could have avoided this encounter by stating just what you did. Let me remind however that that does mean that automatically your view is the correct one. For what i know of adventism, the final word is the word of God. Yes, i would agree that they are some member who carry their dependence too far and rely too much on “thus says Mrs. White. Yet you seem to forget that the roman catholic “history, saints and doctrine” along with the pope are the final word for them. Why are you not referring to them as a cult? I also noticed that you passed over the exposure to the lady for a few years, yet you failed to name one book or anything which is cultish about it.

Is the “tie heads” a cult; remember Granville remains their only spiritual leader. About your submissions, most of them generally are intended to “stir up” the individual; I never said I had a difficulty with them. I continue to have a difficulty with a technician minded man leap frogging all over the place and being buttressed by spurious facts or opinions. You do not have to respond seeing that you have “dismissed me” in your technical way; but let me see your philosophical constructs as shaped by your training in your submissions.

To Island:
As techie said no one put your trough; this is supposed to be an intelligent conversation; carry your barbs and go.