Local Microbiologist Calls for Curfew to be Extended to 28 Days

The following comment was posted by local microbiologist Dr. Robert Lucas to another blog – Bajans Jettison Social Distancing for Cheek by Jowl. The blogmaster regards it as one of the most important points shared on Barbados Underground since the status of COVID 19 was elevated by Prime Minister Mia Mottley.

David, Barbados Underground

Let me repeat what I have stated elsewhere on the Blog.

The curfew has to rigorously enforced. Once this is done, there is no need for contact tracing. I will explain.

Those who manifest symptoms are easily managed. It is person Z who comes into contact with a person (asymptomatic or beginning to show signs) and is unaware of the fact, who poses the immediate threat. By having the curfew and rigidly enforcing it, means that person Z is localized to a fixed area.

There will be more than one person who qualifies for the nomenclature Z. Since the curfew is rigidly enforced when the Zs become ill and use the hotline, hot spots are known. There will be a number of these hot spots. There should be isolated and all persons in the vicinity of the Z’ screened and placed into mandatory quarantine. No crap about voluntary quarantine.

For this method to work, it means that very tough enforcement it needed. None of this crap about human rights and individual liberty. Human rights and so on can be dealt with after the situation is under control…


Elsewhere on the Blog, I said that a twenty-eight day curfew was needed. I explain my reasoning as follows: there would be different viral incubation times for different individuals. Twenty-eight days would appear to be time for all individuals to show manifestations of the infection.

 

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  • quote] The social distancing policy makes sense only if the virus can be passed by asymptomatic persons. How come the front line workers at the QEH who cannot practise social distancing and still take care of patients, are not tested, nor are they permitted to test the patients admitted whom they cannot be socially distanced from on a day to day basis.
    ERW [unquote

    i am having some difficulty understanding this.

    is this saying that there should be no social distancing?

    is there no evidence to suggest that asymptomatic persons could pass on the virus?

    the point is taken about the front line workers.

    altho E.R. Walrond does not speak to this issue, no one knows enuff about this virus to assert any truths and anyone who say or thinks so, is either lying or not telling the truth

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  • Why is the US amassing troops around Venezuela, with the navy off Trinidad? What a nice diversion. Has CARICOM been informed?

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  • If animals get it then how do we curfew our household pets?

    I note this Tiger was in New York.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/tiger-at-nycs-bronx-zoo-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/ar-BB12coPu?ocid=spartandhp

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  • What is the recommended social distancing when around tigers?

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  • @ Crusoe April 6, 2020 1:29 AM

    You could be right that about three months would be needed for the reasons you listed.

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  • @Hal

    i will assume those are rhetorical questions

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  • The reason it was not an AA flight because AA slots were already fully booked for that date
    I done wid u jac.a.ss
    Do like David and stay out of the fray

    XXXXXXXX

    A FULL PLANE LEAVING AN INFECTED COUNTRY GOING TO ANOTHER INFECTED COUNTRY WITH A 14 DAY FOR ARRIVALS CURFEW?????

    YOU REALLY THINK THAT PEOPLE ARE ASSES?

    THE COUNTRY IS PRACTICING SOCIAL DISTANCING AND AIRLINES ARE LOSING HUGH AMOUNT OF MONEY AND AA WILL RISK A LAW SUIT FROM PACKING A PLANE WITH POTENTIAL CARRIERS?

    COME WITH ANOTHER LIE! aa NOR THE PASSENGER AINT THAT STUPED BUT OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE STUPID AND A GREAT BIG LIAR.

    COME AGAIN

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  • quote] On Thursday evening, a business executive from a leading group of companies said,  “Giving the whole country one day to shop for two weeks is madness. People who would have stayed home will now go to PriceSmart.

    “And all you need is three or four r—holes cutting into the two-metre spaces everybody else was leaving in the line, and people will get frustrated. I don’t blame them. It’s human nature.

    “They should have announced, on Thursday night, that the groceries would not open again until 15 April. What they were trying to prevent, they’ve encouraged. Plenty more people will get it now.”  [unquote

    https://newsday.co.tt/2020/04/05/chaos-in-barbados-as-groceries-ordered-shut/

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  • @ Greene

    Yes. The US never surprises me. Ever since the Monroe Doctrine the US has thought we are their backyard. Sometimes they outsource the policing to Canada.
    It is amazing that at a time like this Trump/Pompeo want a fight – an unnecessary fight. What has CARICOM to say about the build-up. Where is our ambassador?
    Of course, if our president cannot even get Bajans to queue properly at supermarkets what do you expect.

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  • I believe I could ‘survive’ a 28 day curfew as proposed by Dr. Lucas… IF I can get FOOD!!!

    A couple weeks ago, we were publicly shamed for going to the supermarkets and ‘hoarding’ …. was not necessary, they said with radio ads ….. then lo & behold, we get 24-hrs notice that supermarkets will be closed! Result??? Panic and long lines of people ignoring social-distancing….. what did they expect?? Don’t we have anyone trained in human behavior in Govt.!

    Those who hoarded, now laughing at the rest of us!!!

    The Govt. also said, last week, they would discuss with the supermarkets to accommodate home delivery…… discussions done yet??? Today is Monday!

    Looking forward, I hope this Covid experience bring about some ‘changes’. There are so many that comes to mind …. the UWI would do well to host a post-Covid Conference on such a topic!
    The Govt. should build-up a cadre of trained persons to handle disaster management …. not the square pegs in round holes that proliferate due to political patronage! Send them overseas to witness, first-hand, various disasters …. not book-worm learners!

    Opps…. there I go, starting the ‘conference’ already!

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  • 2nd Covid death in Bim? 56 for 2 is now the score?

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  • Another concern that govt ought to bear in mind that some of these flights are long and cumbersome and on arrival people are tired and just dont want to be bother having to undergo another series of test which they might have done before at another airport ( or told they have to be quarantine ) this is part of human nature one which Govt cannot figure and which( is) and can

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    BUT YET YOU WANT US TO BELIEVE THAT FULLY BOOK PLANES ARE COMING TO BARBADOS WHEN THEY ARE TOLD THEY HAVE TO 14 DAY QUARANTINE

    MORNING WORDS AND EVENING WORDS DONT EVER ADD UP.

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  • People in the diaspora are still crying shame at the amateur way this shutdown of supermarkets was handled, maybe next time they will get it right….no one is blaming the vulnerabe people who feel they were used as political pawns to prove a non point.

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  • Hal
    Caricom has demonstrated with this ongoing crisis that they are toothless paper tigers
    In as much as some of the leadership hate Washington not one of the heads of govt could bring a comprehensive plan to table by which they could unilaterally agreed on handling the crisis and safe guard the social and economically security of the entire region
    Just look at them now as they cower in fear running from the unbelievable mistakes they have made in handling the crisis and blaming ever Tom dick and harry for their incompetence
    Yet meanwhile waiting and looking upon washington for social and economical guidelines…yesterday i lol when minister bostic said Washington had seized the ventilators
    My first thought was who should they blame fool
    Of course not themselves lol
    A whole region of paper tigers as leaders in this region which Corona has exposed
    God help us all the people just doesnt deserve this kinda sh.it

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  • Hal Austin April 6, 2020 8:27 AM

    “Why is the US amassing troops around Venezuela,”

    If I’ve read news and video reports correctly FANCE & BRITIAN also have Navy vessels making up the congregation in the area, hummmmm. Not good timing for any kind of military confrontation in this time of COVID 19. Not much info showing up an Google so do not know at this time if reports are creditable.

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  • @ Wily

    We have CARICOM, a Regional security force, all member states have coastguards – surely they must know what is going on in their own backyards.
    I am sure the Russians and Chinese know what is going on. Why the silence?

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @David, re “The WHO declared the pandemic on March 11, 2020. Should we give the octogenarians a pass Peter predicated on age.”

    And what are we going to give the WHO for that absurdly late call of March 11 …this thing was widespread in Wuhan in late Dec 2019 … Leaders of the local version of CDC in Wuhan told US counterparts in the first week of Jan 2020… The WHO should have KNOWN better than to accept BS and Chinese fabrications and wait over 60 days to declare a pandemic …

    China, SHUTDOWN…repeat SHUTDOWN Wuhan, a major industrial city of 11 mil people on Jan 22/23!… That was unprecedented and on hindsight we can now say the world changed forever with what at the time was a stunning announcement!

    Personal responsibility is vital so yes, an 80 year old or even a 20 year old should be blamed for their apparent selfishness. But we need answers from the very top in order to properly resolve and understand getting back to economic activity.

    Thus I have an opposite view on whether the assessment that there may not be “… enough data as yet to make a certain prognosis of time. […] the data is there, broadly, but not what a scientist would accept as proof. In this circumstance we use logic and commonsense to manage.”

    Wuhan was opened on March 8th… it was in lockdown for 76 days…not 28, not 14. Initial reports (we take with a grain of salt, yes) are that things are returning to some levels of normalcy… but that closure and all that was done there is HARD evidence of fact…scientific and logical and commonsense!

    China also implemented draconian geotagging practicses: citizens were tagged via phone and other electronic means (biometrics) as red, yellow or green on a possible infection scale and were prevented from mingling based on that.

    So is even 76 days good enough for other countries who will not have that level of intrusiveness??

    The virus (unless a vaccine is found) is with us for a while…we can only reduce its impact by first aggressively reducing its initial contagion and then minimizing future contagion… how many days at the first step…right now it appears to be 70 days and counting!

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  • It seems the countries doing the best have a few things in common. They are testing a lot, they have a stable government, they get their messaging and strategy right from the start and their citizens trust the leadership and have not resisted the measures.
    Germany, Taiwan, South Korea, Singapore are such examples

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  • DPD

    When should the flu be declared a pandemic? chine is only one country and wahun is only one area

    Wuhan was shut for how long??? I didn’t hear about anyone dieing from starvation. yet in Barbados……..

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @Greene, pardon this intrusion but you are mischaractetizing the remarks from the @Waldron blogger!

    He said ” The social distancing policy makes sense only if the virus can be passed by asymptomatic persons. How come the front line workers at the QEH who cannot practise social distancing and still take care of patients, are not tested, nor are they permitted to test the patients admitted whom they cannot be socially distanced from on a day to day basis.”

    The social distancing policy makes sense only if the virus can be passed by asymptomatic persons
    Does this not validate what is now known: If u have the virus but don’t know it yourself then I definitely need to be 6ft away from you to safeguard myself.

    Thus, if I am seeing patients who can be asymptomatic and I am NOT being tested or NOT testing them then the entire process falls in on itself as on one hsnd I the health care worker can now become an asymptomatic carrier affecting everyone I am treating!

    He/she is definitely not saying “that there should be no social distancing”

    Nor asserting any truths beyond what is already accepted as facts!

    Just another interpretation of the same data… as I say here often: the joys of English!

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  • China, SHUTDOWN…repeat SHUTDOWN Wuhan, a major industrial city of 11 mil people on Jan 22/23!…

    Wuhan was opened on March 8th… it was in lockdown for 76 days…not 28, not 14.

    Just felt it needed repeating

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  • This clearly shows a lack or rational thought.
    As a Microbiologist, you should know that a virus has to work its way through a population. Period. You cant now come with draconian measures and expect to contain it when back in January and February of this year, we were all “Gatherin” and mingling with persons from the very places that now seem to be the targets of outbreaks.
    Additionally, NONE of you! Not ONE of you is preaching public health. No one is speaking to any appreciable measure abut improving and boosting immunity which is where ANY infection is really fought, at the individual level and not in the court of public opinion or in fearmongering or silly measures like these that we are seeing now.
    So shutting down a country with no monetary reserves for a month is suicide.
    People dying in these conditions that we are now facing the result of a number of things.
    Poor underlying health
    Bad diet
    No Exercise
    Mis-diagnosis etc etc.
    And don’t even point to NYC as a reason for justifying your wish because that is the CAPITAL of poor health. Look at their diets of fast food,the abundance of coffee and other diuretics in use which prevent their intracelluar fluids from effectively removing toxins from their bodies, low or no exercise at all , soft drinks laden with sugars and High-Fructose corn syrup ( which the body cant process) and generally, highly acidic bodies full of inflammation which cant be removed effectively by the mechanisms which are supposed to work to remove them.
    It is therefore no wonder they are dropping like flies on a carcass poisoned with Furadan.
    This is an ill-conceived action which is going to be grossly detrimental at he end of it all. I find it interesting that in the Chikungunya outbreak ( which is also questionable) there wasn’t a national mobilization plan to shutting the country down. And that spread more rapidly across the population to my mind than this did.
    Deaths at the level of fractions of a percentage point relative to the general population do not justify or warrant an action that will be generally financially disastrous to all.
    Unfortunately, we are signing from a hymn-sheet that we don’t seem to understand the language that its written in furthermore the meaning of the song. But were singing like everyone else ( apparently ) with what appears to be the exception of the Saudis, more affluent countries of the Middle East who we aren’t hearing much from and a few others. All very strange behavior indeed.

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  • Will someone from the fowl brigade please DENY THIS..it’s being shared all over FB. There are still the gullible being told AND believing that gathering is safe, they must be WARNED that it is not, to shelter in place.

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1292342680975268&id=100005986451739

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  • (Quote):
    Why is the US amassing troops around Venezuela…(Unquote).
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Where are the ‘friendly’ Chinese and bearish Russians when they are needed most to stop the bullies in their tracks of the invasion of the Bolivar land of an easy target whose only negotiable asset (crude oil) is now worth a dime a barrel?

    Is this move just another bone of a diversionary tactic thrown at the dogs in the scrambling mass media to divert attention from the real enemy called Covid stalking Yankee country?

    Why should the world want to start another big war when it already has a ‘microscopically larger’ one raging on its hands?

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  • @ Te Watcher, success in this war is dependent on multiple factors.
    Ability to test, critical care capacity of the healthcare system and the relationship between citizens and the government. We are struggling on all three. The draconian measures Dr. Lucas suggests are the only way to give us time to get more test kits and getting more ICU beds, PPe and ventilators.
    The relationship between government and citizens is not easily fixed but improved messaging and strategies will go a long way

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  • @ wilycoyote

    You come on a blog to tell people shite,

    People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

    JOIN IN THE DISCUSSION, YOU NEVER KNOW HOW EXPRESSING YOUR VIEW MAY MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @Jonh2, I am no scientist by training or even worked around the discipline so I can only approach your question based on my business and management background.

    You asked “When should the flu be declared a pandemic? chine is only one country and wahun is only one area”

    Ok, 1. There are obviously set protocols for asserting a ‘pandemic… but lets analyze this rationally…and then I will Google and see what’s the actual criteria…

    So, 2 the first Wuhan patient was on Dec 1, 2019…within 30 days… I repeat 30 days… the then called SARS virus had rapidly spread from that single city and person to the entire country …. that’s an explosion from 11 million to 1.6 billion or whatever is the pop of China… of course not everyone was infected but it was all over that nation in 30 days.

    Moreover, 3) before (and even after) the US travel restrictions from China over a 500,000 had already flown into US and similiarly large numbers into Iran, Italy, Africa etc…..Remember also 4) in early Jan the Chinese a) refused any foreign teams access to the virus details for testing and 2) said there was NO person to person contamination….

    So senor 5) if by end Jan early Feb major cities across China are seeing this virus and its in Italy, Iran and US and understand there are 100s other countries which had flight connection from some city in China during that time… if for the analysts and scientists who do this as their life’s work and that’s now a fundamental alert of ‘pandemic’ then i am lost.

    So now..I’ll check: They say that according to the CDC broadly that a “pandemic is an epidemic that’s spread over several countries or continents and affects a large percent of the population”…with an epidemic being a major health outbreak over a larger area or region.

    So from end of Jan mid -Feb for an alert of a pandemic on Mar 11… and now we talking about invading another country.

    This political quagmire of BS that we call life will kill us all, just now.

    I gone

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  • Miller
    April 6, 2020 11:05 AM

    (Quote):
    Why is the US amassing troops around Venezuela…(Unquote).
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    Where are the ‘friendly’ Chinese and bearish Russians when they are needed most to stop the bullies in their tracks of the invasion of the Bolivar land of an easy target whose only negotiable asset (crude oil) is now worth a dime a barrel?
    Is this move just another bone of a diversionary tactic thrown at the dogs in the scrambling mass media to divert attention from the real enemy called Covid stalking Yankee country?
    Why should the world want to start another big war when it already has a ‘microscopically larger’ one raging on its hands?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    How much oil does China get from Venezuela?

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  • @ Mariposa

    Your comments and those of your opponents have created a brilliant case study in mass stupidity. Your BU enemies, led by the idiot in chief, have a deep commitment to loyalty: to everything Barbados and Barbadian; to the president and her incompetence; and to each other.
    Yet, when you demonstrate loyalty: to your party, they bring down the wrath of Hell on you. Why is their loyalty more sincere than yours. Then there are those who make no positive contributions to debates, in that they do not make any original contributions, but spend all their time dissecting what you have said, looking for the minutiae of truths and mistakes, which they exaggerate in to great howlers and then the keyboard warriors descend.
    The reality is that it is not you, nor your views they oppose, but what you represent. They look in the mirror and they see you.

    dddddddddddddddddddd

    So very true.

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  • “And what are we going to give the WHO for that absurdly late call of March 11 …this thing was widespread in Wuhan in late Dec 2019 … Leaders of the local version of CDC in Wuhan told US counterparts in the first week of Jan 2020… The WHO should have KNOWN better than to accept BS and Chinese fabrications and wait over 60 days to declare a pandemic.”

    People are still acting like they are UNABLE TO THINK FOR THEMSELVES….these organizations get infiltrated all the time…..it is NOT the earth’s first pandemic and will not be the last…every year everyone prepares for flu seaon….well after centuries of having them and knowing they exist…PLAGUES SHOULD BE TREATED THE SAME….the millions who died through the ages had no access to information as we do….not even our parents and grandparents had this luxury….that is why so many died….so what is our excuse? And don’t forget to pass on the information about plagues to current and future generations..

    The time some take to count other people’s comments….or in the fowls case to post misinformation…that time could be better spent doing constructive research to save your lives or that of your families, because this is just the beginning. Some of us did our research in December, saw the writing on the wall, started preparing, tried to share the seriousness of the situation and were ridiculed by the not too bright…ya can only carry a donkey to water…..

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  • … plus, the State Department has a $15 million reward on Maduro’s head!!

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @Miller, re “Why should the world want to start another big war when it already has a ‘microscopically larger’ one raging on its hands?”…. That’s what they do!

    There is a video featuring Jack Ma (Alibaba CEO n billionaire) where he is asked pointedly about US- China and trade and one assertion he made was as pointed… he said that in last 30 years the US engaged in 13 wars and spent over $13 trillion !

    He then went on to speak to how that money could have been better deployed beyond warfare….so if it’s war again… then it’s here we go again..death, pain and US arrogant ridiculousness.

    Anyone here needs to be reminded that President Noreiga of Panama was also accused of drug trafficking and was unceremoniously taken to US where he was eventually jailed and that France was complicit with all that.

    Things look about the same the more we think they change, n’est pas!

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  • @ John April 6, 2020 11:19 AM
    “How much oil does China get from Venezuela?”
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    The same as the Americans.

    So why is America trying to engage in a zero-sum war game at this stage of global troubles?

    Aren’t the same old ‘tired’ arguments of protecting democracy once used against Cuba being used today against the Bolivarian republic?

    Why not go and invade Cuba its backyard enemy since 1959?

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  • @ Dr Lucas

    It is amazing how many of your local Bajan people come out the woodwork to attack you.

    CRAB IN THE BARREL MENTALITY.

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  • Again…what about the people who have NO WATER…during a pandemic, the island is filled with those victims….forget the excuses about low water pressure and blah, blah, both governments have had decades and billions of dollars in taxpayer’s money and billions more in IDB, CDB, this and that loans to fix the problem, where is the money.

    wait, is Horse Hill and the St.Joseph not the AGs area to represent, so where is the representation.

    “Good day everyone my heart is burden in this serious time. It is hurting me to know that we the people of Horse Hill and surrounding areas are having water outage for four continuous days, at a time like this when we have a serious pandemic on our hands. Are we not human beings too, don’t they think we have needs and children to protect. What is really going on can someone tell me. You would think that at this time u would want all barbadians to be safe. This certainly is inhumane. Where is our representative, does he only care around election time. I do not use these platforms but today I’m force to because this is utter madness. We need water PLEASE!
    posting now
    Barbados March 29-2020 Sunday”

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  • It has just been announced over V.O.B’s 12.30 PM news that Trinidad and Tobago are extending the total shut down beyond 15th. April.

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  • @ Tell Truths

    Do you see a pattern. Sometime ago, years now, there was some issue about macroeconomics and I made a comment on BU. One of he regulars came back and, quoting from a UK financial journalist, said that I said A &B, but this guy is saying C&D. The implication being that this guy was either right, or in any case the author preferred to believe him.
    I responded by pointing that I had been a journalist before this guy, who I knew, (he was aged in his late 30s at the time), had been an editor longer than he had been in journalism, we were both immigrants (I born in the Caribbean, and this guy in France) and we had the same level of education. And I asked him if presented with those two CVs who would he believe.
    To this day he has not replied. It is the Barbadian Condition. A small island like Barbados cannot afford to marginalise the talents and knowledge of someone of the calibre of @Robert Lucas.
    While we are at it, I am campaigning for the outstanding historian Keith Sandiford, our greatest living historian, to be made a knight.

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  • @ Te Watcher April 6, 2020 10:37 AM

    is clearly shows a lack or rational thought.
    As a Microbiologist, you should know that a virus has to work its way through a population.”

    You idiot. If the drastic measures are enforced and all persons infected are placed in mandatory quarantine, the infection dies out. There is no way for it to go.
    It is analogous to the herd factor in a way

    I repeat again , :You are an idiot and I make no apologies for saying so. You haven’t got the necessary technical training in the discipline to pass any competent opinion on any microbiological matter..

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  • Miller
    April 6, 2020 11:47 AM

    @ John April 6, 2020 11:19 AM
    “How much oil does China get from Venezuela?”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    The same as the Americans.

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    America self sufficient in oil, net exporter!!

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  • Who gives an RH about knighthoods? Please! They belong in our history! And who is thinking about RH knighthoods at this time????????

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  • Dpd

    Seem like u wanted it to be called a pandemic from the time it was in China

    Are there dufferent protocols that world save lifes or reduce infection when the name is changed from epidemic to pandemic?

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  • @Tell Truths April 6, 2020 11:58 AM

    I am accustomed to the barbs made by persons who to save their lives could not make a button.

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  • I guess the Orange Turd needs a distraction. And a rallying cry from the bloodthirsty “patriots” . I thought he was against America as the policemen of the world. He should not be concerned with the political affairs of Venezuelans no matter what the people are suffering.

    Oops! I forgot. The NEW CHARGE is drug trafficking. So very convenient!

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  • Trinidad has over 100 infections

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  • All the differences to me is a change in name to Express how far the unfection has spread

    After it passed 1 milloin they could have called it by another name
    Countries and people will still respond how they Choose to

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  • I will be so happy, just like many when the electorate throws this slave mentality promoting government out on its backside.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    LOL @John2, my interest is not in a name, per se. It’s in the intentions and political posturing.

    I’m sure you also know that in US the Intel services were filing briefs and giving advice on what was happening in China from early Jan… it’s absolutely expected that DGS in France , MI6 and the boys n girls in German Intel were seeing similar things and sounding similar alarms and referring to their ‘pandemic’ crisis playbook since early Jan.

    So I could care less WHAT they call it.. I want to know how they were all seemingly flat footed in acting!

    The US as all here know did a massive review after 9-11 and consequently revamped their ENTIRE intel apparatus…to their credit the Bits, Frenchies and the others were less dramatic…so what did all that change accomplish if they couldn’t pin the tail on this donkey or name this rose, if you prefer!

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  • Govt has yet to have a competent work force along with proper planning to monitor the airport
    Also the Thursday havoc and govt has not designed a feasible plan for correction
    All one hear is govt calling on the people to make sacrifice
    Yet govt role towards good goverance exemplified by good leadership is missing
    A two week shut down as of now and people cannot adopt and adjust to govt hot and sweaty not well planned out measures
    Cant possibly see how a 30mth shutdown would work having this lot steering the ship called Corona

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  • The us planbed invasion seem to be s hoax

    Not one word of it on Any new channel near me

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  • @ waru

    So the major Contractor is C O Williams a White man reaping the sweets in the good times and bad times whilst the Black masses suffer.

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  • WURA-War-on-UApril 6, 2020 11:59 AM

    Again…what about the people who have NO WATER…during a pandemic, the island is filled with those victims….forget the excuses about low water pressure and blah, blah, both governments have had decades and billions of dollars in taxpayer’s money and billions more in IDB, CDB, this and that loans to fix the problem, where is the money.
    Ccccccccccvvvvvvvbnmnnmmm

    And that too.
    However govt hoist the flag of humanity to save the cruise Industry that can all but pay barbados debt
    Yes this govt gave these filthy rich bastards tons of money which they should have paid to the govt on various fees
    Just wait few years from now the sewage which these sick cruise liners dumped in the sea when sitting idle in Carlise Bay would be handed to the tax payers for clean up( what a thank u gift)
    Nothing this govt has done during the Crisis has benefitted the country
    Oh dont worry meanwhile Symmonds sitting and waiting like a beggar for favours from the cruise industry what a belly laugh
    The rich scam the poor and govt agrees
    The poor people having no water does not does not fall under the mercies of humanity by this govt in times of crisis
    But who is watching and who de f.uk cares

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  • Boris is in hospital, teams of reporters and television cameras are outside St Thomas’ hospital. No secrecy; the public has a right to know. No nonsense ab oust medical procedure.
    By the way, when are we going to see the mathematical models done by UWI?

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  • @ John April 6, 2020 12:17 PM

    You are really naively immune from biting sarcasm, aren’t you?
    The world is awash with oil at the moment. China does not have to rely on Venezuela. It can meet its reduced demand for oil from any source, especially from the Saudis and Russians.

    What you are missing is the ‘reasonable’ questioning of the timing of the call to arms by a military clown at this time against a country ravaged by economic decay and threatened by Covid.

    Whom do you think would be the collateral damage in such a phoney invasion?

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  • From the public health announcements running on radio the CMO is heard defending not testing asymptomatic persons because the test kits are not available to support this strategy.

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  • “So the major Contractor is C O Williams a White man reaping the sweets in the good times and bad times whilst the Black masses suffer”

    But that is what ya house negro governments like, as long as it benefits them too, am sure they know what Steinbok did up at Vuemont that they had to kick him out, but of course these are the HANDPICKED cabal of crooks…..who are pushed to the front to continue sucking on taxpayers and pensioners for over 4 decades….that is all the house negro governments are good for, nothing else.

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  • peterlawrencethompson

    @David April 6, 2020 1:57 PM
    “… CMO is heard defending not testing asymptomatic persons because the test kits are not available to support this strategy.”
    +++++++++++++++++++
    This is a statement that should have been made 4 weeks ago.

    They acknowledge not having enough test kits but when private individuals in concert with respected medical professionals were trying to procure more testing capacity two weeks ago they were met with nothing but governmental obstruction.

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  • Miller
    April 6, 2020 1:20 PM

    @ John April 6, 2020 12:17 PM
    You are really naively immune from biting sarcasm, aren’t you?
    The world is awash with oil at the moment. China does not have to rely on Venezuela. It can meet its reduced demand for oil from any source, especially from the Saudis and Russians.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Saudis and US are allies.

    Russians also need oil

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  • … keep thinking!!

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  • John2
    April 6, 2020 12:43 PM

    The us planbed invasion seem to be s hoax

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Does it have to be an invasion?

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  • @ David April 6, 2020 1:57 PM

    Remember on one of my strolls I encounter one of my former students on the Swing Bridge. I reported that he said that there was a shortage of equipment and that some of the equipment was outdated. It for this reason that I have said we should all get behind the authorities and wish them well. Let us face facts, were it not for this virus, no one would be concerned one way or the other about equipment for the health workers, They are putting their lives on the line for little or no pay, unlike the parasitical lawyers, accountants and economists. Despite the neglect over equipment, one has to remember that there is a rush for equipment and countries with more funds have an edge.

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  • @ Hal April 6, 2020 1:18 PM

    If Boris passes Michael Gove is the man for the Job. I do not expect you have a very high opinion of Gove either.

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  • John

    Do you know what i am refering to as USA invasion?

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  • @Robert

    You mean Gove, the self-confessed drug user? You cannot ignore the young chancellor, Rishi Sunak, he has presented three Budgets within a couple weeks and he handles himself well. Raab is out of it. He has got beyond his capabilities.
    However, I think Boris is seriously ill, but he is not going to pass.

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  • John2
    April 6, 2020 2:30 PM

    John
    Do you know what i am refering to as USA invasion?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    By all means, don’t be shy, tell us

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  • Leff Boris alone let ‘e recover!!

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  • de pedantic Dribbler
    April 6, 2020 11:16 AM

    There appears to be more going on than just the pandemic. There are some peculiar things happening, I say this because I see the strange things going on that should make no sense, in normal circumstances. So one then asks why such directives would be given.

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  • Critical Analyzer

    @David and @peterlawrencethompson

    Testing only works to stop the spread if you know who to test.

    I would agree with buyings lots more test kits if people were only capable of transmitting when displaying symptoms i.e. coughing, sneezing, etc. But it has long been out there that asymptomatic people can also spread it and this fact is being confirmed by more sources day by day.

    We are literally between a rock and a hard place. We don’t know who out there is asymptomatic and can’t afford to test every single person in the country. The next best solution is to have every single man, woman and child leaving their home wear a cloth (non-medical) mask or covering over their nose and mouth in addition to the social distancing and hand washing.

    Antigua gets it and they have started doing it. We also need to get with the program and stop depending on curfews, social distancing and washing hands alone. Curfews can’t last forever and you can’t social distance 100% of the time unless you walk around in a bubble.

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  • peterlawrencethompson

    @robert lucas
    Your recommendation that the curfew be extended to 28 days is rational, but I think it is likely also predictive… and I think we need to prepare ourselves for the possibility or probability of a curfew that lasts much longer than 28 days.

    We appear to have no coherent government policy or plan, all we have are vague and poorly informed hopes.

    What are the criteria for relaxing the curfew? A fall in the number of active cases? That has already happened; with the death of 1 and the release of 4 patients, active cases now number 49. Does anyone feel safer?

    The current rate of confirmed infections is growing at a linear, not exponential, rate. But that is because we have such a lame testing regimen that we are almost certainly missing the majority of cases. How can I say this? Because we are not testing any asymptomatic people, and several studies have pointed out that asymptomatic infections amount to up to 50% of the total.

    So we have no idea how long the public health emergency curfew will last or how it will end.

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  • Hi David

    Here are two links about mass testing in NJ. They are a bit dated.

    Honestly, I was not following COVID19 in NJ that closely and was surprised at the statistics for my town.

    https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/03/njs-2nd-state-run-coronavirus-testing-site-opens-to-massive-lines-of-cars.html

    https://dailyvoice.com/new-jersey/middlesex/news/nj-considering-prescription-only-coronavirus-testing/785497/

    As you can see this COVID has administrators everywhere adjusting their plans. .

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  • peterlawrencethompson

    @Critical Analyzer April 6, 2020 2:58 PM
    “We don’t know who out there is asymptomatic and can’t afford to test every single person in the country.”
    +++++++++++++++++++++
    Yes of course we can afford to test every single person in the country. The problem is not the cost of the tests. Each test kit costs about the same price ($4 each) that people in barbados are charging for cloth masks. The problem is simply getting the manufacturers to ship them after you have paid without them getting seized by bureaucrats in the exporting country.

    The problem is that the bureaucracy is being obstructionist to public/private partnerships to expand our testing capacity because in order to properly guide public health efforts, extra testing must be integrated with the public health system. Simply having your family doctor doing tests won’t work. We need all test results to go through a government epidemiologist, so she can collate, do local analysis, and forward national results to PAHO/ WHO/ CARPHA etc.

    Rather than solve those logistical problems, the instinct of bureaucracy is to maintain absolute control over all testing even when that means crippling adequate testing regimes.

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  • Peter lawrence
    April 6, 2020 3:03 PM

    We appear to have no coherent government policy or plan, all we have are vague and poorly informed hopes

    Xxxccccxcccccccccccccccvv

    Now u beginning to see what others been saying here for so long
    Also heard gas prices are not going down
    Another plan i belive in attempt to save what is left at.the pumps
    Although not bad in itself with people under house arrest the fuel would be in less usage
    Hopefully by weekend govt would have come up with a plan that is humane and can serve a well intended purpose for social distancing which formulates a better sense of direction for the people

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  • Been telling them fot weeks about rubbing up and touching up each other and spitting in each other’s faces while talking shite.

    “Boris Johnson taken to intensive care for coronavirus The Prime Minister has been moved to intensive.

    6 Apr 2020 8:15 pm Boris Johnson has been taken into intensive care for coronavirus after his condition worsened. Downing Street said Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab would ‘deputise where necessary’.

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  • Bad Enuff many are suffering for lifesaving water and even when they get some, it looks just like the useless ministers…who are not fit for purpose….billions being borrowed and yet this is what the people are getting..

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  • PLT…many don’t understand the concept of the super spreader{s} who is asymptomatic and some may NEVER even show symptoms….apparently there was one or even a few running around Westminster and the general population in UK,Spain, Italy, Iran, US etc, see the results…

    Maybe some need to research Typhoid Mary and then get a grasp of what is likely to happen when the authorities cannot understand exactly what they are dealing with.

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  • @ Hal April 6, 2020 2:34 PM

    It is nice to hear you think he will recover. So what if Gove smoked the tampi as a student? It’s the man not his misspent youth that counts. Churchill drank to excess. The man matters not his foibles

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  • Constant updates on Boris’ treatment. Just as we expect with any political leader in a democracy. Armies of reporters and television cameras outside St Thomas’.
    Hope he pulls through.

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  • @ Robert

    Not as a student, but as a working journalist – while writing about how terrible drug gangs were. Morality, in theory and application, is very important. He should be out of public life.

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  • Jamaice does not try to stagnant and reduce their own people to helpless dependants…they push their innovative, creative genuiuses to THE FRONT…they do not allow nuisance parasites to believe they should be promoted before the majority population…and that is why they will ALWAYS succeed.

    “Jamaican scientist Dr Henry Lowe is awaiting approval of a patent for a cannabis-based drug that could be a winning remedy for the novel coronavirus, The Gleaner has learnt.

    A source said that Lowe would have to wait in line for a couple of weeks before knowing if the drug proves useful against COVID-19.

    Lowe and other partners on the project previously received positive feedback that indicated that his cannabis drug had been tested and found to be effective against some members of the family of coronaviruses.”

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  • People have no time for those who are slow to recognize that their is a killer plague on the loose, he really took too damn long to deem the disease a pandemic.

    “An online petition calling for the resignation of World Health Organization director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus has gained traction lately, garnering over 718,000 signatures, claiming that the United Nations health official and the organizational efforts towards the coronavirus outbreak were unacceptable.

    The petition, posted to Change.org and translated into multiple languages including French, Spanish, German and Arabic, added that the Tedros is “unfit” for his role as head of the organization and should forego his status immediately.”

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  • Barbados also needs to safeguard its sea borders, moreso as much at this point as any official port. Pirates and gangs from South America will be empty handed now and looking to loot where they can. Be aware.

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  • So this government who will be shortly BEGGING VOTES of the same Black population they now look down on and whose money they are picking up to promote thieves and racists, actually expect the people of St . Lucy to drink this water…

    well the people know to kick your asses out, since you do not care anything about them.

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  • @ PLT April 6, 2020 3:03 PM

    You have a point.28 days is what I would hope for . There is a need to really get tough about the curfew. If they don’t lots of people will die.

    I wonder if the serum of those who have recovered is being used to protect the front line workers. That serum will have to be collected and for any lengthy storage freeze-dried (lyophilization) to maintain its efficacy.

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  • “Barbados also needs to safeguard its sea borders, moreso as much at this point as any official port. Pirates and gangs from South America will be empty handed now and looking to loot where they can. Be aware,”

    Am sure everyone knows exactly where to send them, to the same thieves who have been robbing the majority population and raping the island with their house negros for decades, don’t worry…

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  • Critical Analyzer

    @peterlawrencethompson

    Yes of course we can afford to test every single person in the country. The problem is not the cost of the tests. Each test kit costs about the same price ($4 each) that people in barbados are charging for cloth masks. The problem is simply getting the manufacturers to ship them after you have paid without them getting seized by bureaucrats in the exporting country.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    There is a cost in time and manpower you are forgetting. The test is not like a blood sugar test that can be done quickly. It takes time to administer and process before you results. However, I will agree with you that we need to test all persons working in essential services. Persons in those essential services have the potential to become super-spreaders.

    We are treating this situation like a card game where we need one more card to win and we keep trying our luck by pulling a card from the pack instead of working with the cards we have been dealt.

    I say treat everybody going outside their house as if they are infected and put a non-medical mask on all of them until we have an effective treatment or vaccine. The mask will not completely stop an infected person from spreading it but it will significantly limit the number of people they pass it onto if they turn out later to be asymptomatic.

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  • @ Hal

    Hon. Kerrie D. Symmonds, Minister of tourism apparently damaged his then wife car and think there was some talk about beatings. It was all over the newspaper and there was supposed to be court action. Yet he has been elected.

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  • @ Robert

    I rest my case.

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  • San Marino a small country completely surrounded by Italy has a Covid-19 death rate of 12% of those who caught the disease. Per hundred population, the country has a mortality rate of 94.72 deaths per 100,000 population. The worse in the world, almost 4 times worse than Italy’s.This so far is the worse case scenario. For a population the size of Barbados it would mean about 300 deaths in the next few weeks. San Marino is small, only 33,562 people so this is not making headline news, but this is as bad as it is so far.

    Italy has had a Covid-19 death rate of 12.3% of those who caught the disease. Per 100,00 population Italy has a death rate of 26.9 deaths per 100,000 population.

    Spain has a Covid-19 death rate of 9.6 % of those who caught the disease. Per 100,00 population Italy has a death rate of 27.5 deaths per 100,000 population.

    Andorra has a Covid-19 death rate of 3.6 % of those who caught the disease. Per 100,00 population Andorra has a death rate of 23.37 deaths per 100,000 population.

    Belgium has a Covid-19 death rate of 7.3 % of those who caught the disease. Per 100,00 population Belgium has a death rate of 12.67 deaths per 100,000 population.

    France has a Covid-19 death rate of 8.6 % of those who caught the disease. Per 100,00 population France has a death rate of 12.08 deaths per 100,000 population.

    The Netherlands has a Covid-19 death rate of 9.9% of those who caught the disease. Per 100,00 population the Netherlands has a death rate of 10.28 deaths per 100,000 population.

    Source and more information:
    https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
    Johns Hopkins University.Cases and mortality by country

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  • @ Hal April 6, 2020 4:35 PM

    Boris is in ICU.

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  • This is how you mobilize your people, you copy the POSITIVES..wherever you find them and PUT YOUR OWN PEOPLE FIRST….this is the opposition, imagine if she was still government, she is not waiting for slow ass Rowley…

    “THE Opposition Leader is “mobilising seamstresses and tailors” to make masks for the public to curb the spread of covid19 in TT.

    A statement issued on Sunday by the UNC indicated that Kamla Persad-Bissessar was doing that as well as mobilising “donors of cloth and other supplies to sew face masks for those who do not have.

    “The distribution of these masks will begin as soon as possible in keeping with the latest recommendations from the CDC (Centre for Disease Control).”

    The UNC also said it was calling for donations of cloth and elastic bands.

    The party also said several Asian countries such as Japan and South Korea were faring better against covid19 because their citizens were wearing face masks.

    In a statement on Sunday, the Health Ministry recommended the public should use face masks to reduce the spread of covid19.”

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  • peterlawrencethompson

    On March 5, one month ago…
    Boris Johnson: “Well it’s a very, very important question, and that’s where a lot of the debate has been and one of the theories is, that perhaps you could take it on the chin, take it all in one go and allow the disease, as it were, to move through the population, without taking as many draconian measures…”

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  • Now he gets up off his tail and shuts down the restaurants that were never needed at this time, they are NOT essential services, cook ya own food and stop eating the greasy, unhealthy garbage that the most stupid leaders are still promoting for their crooked friends DURING AN OUTBREAK…..a virus that thrives in people who are already unhealthy…then ya put repulsive fast food in ya already weakened system,. May as well order a cardboard coffin.

    BTW…i have been wearing face masks and gloves for weeks, no one has to tell me, am quite capable of understanding what’s going on and making informed decisions to protect me and mine.

    “THE Prime Minister extended the lock-down of TT over the covid19 pandemic until April 30, speaking at a briefing on Monday at the Diplomatic Centre, St Ann’s, and closed all restaurants until that time.

    Dr Rowley said it was clear the initial April 15 deadline would not suffice, as the situation by then would likely be even worse than it is today.

    Rowley justified the restaurant shut-down, by saying that based on the high chance of community spread rather than imported cases, TT is now at the point where it could lose control over the numbers infected.

    He added that Government would take additional action to intensify the fight against the pandemic.

    Rowley said it was not a question of earnings or politics.

    “It is simply a question of whether we live or whether we die.”

    He spelt out new measures, based on the continued advice of the Government’s experts. s

    Saying the Government will distribute face-masks, he said, “Government recommends you wear masks over your face.”

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  • This extract some may find interestimg

    WHO director faces calls to resign for ‘allowing China to cover up true impact of coronavirus’
    US politicians call for resignation of WHO head, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus
    World Health Organization boss partly blamed for China’s lack of transparency
    Senator Martha McSally said Tedros should resign over the ‘Chinese cover-up’
    Activists claimed 42,000 or more could have died in Wuhan, where virus began

    By CHRIS DYER FOR MAILONLINE

    PUBLISHED: 15:32 BST, 6 April 2020 | UPDATED: 21:22 BST, 6 April 2020

    The director-general of the World Health Organization is facing calls to resign over criticisms of the way China’s response to the coronavirus crisis was managed.

    Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus is facing growing calls to step down from US politicians for trusting the communist regime’s official reporting about the extent of the spread of the disease.

    Republican Senator Martha McSally said Dr Tedros should resign over the ‘Chinese cover-up’.

    The senator said: ‘Dr Tedros deceived the world. At one point, he even praised China’s ‘transparency during its coronavirus response efforts” despite a mountain of evidence showing the regime concealed the severity of the outbreak. This deception cost lives.’

    In February, when China reported 17,238 infections and 361 deaths, Tedros said there was no need impose travel restrictions.

    He said measures that ‘unnecessarily interfere with international travel and trade’ were not needed in trying to halt the spread of the virus.

    On March 20, he praised the Chinese regime, saying: ‘For the first time, #China has reported no domestic #COVID19 cases yesterday. This is an amazing achievement, which gives us all reassurance that the #coronavirus can be beaten.’

    China has been accused of significantly downplaying its official virus cases, with some estimates suggesting their death toll could be as high as 40,000.

    So far China has officially recorded more than 81,000 cases with over 3,300 deaths.

    But activists in Wuhan, where the outbreak began, claimed funeral homes are handing out 500 urns a day each, more than necessary for the 2,548 people who have officially died of the virus there.
    Long queues at the funeral homes have fuelled scepticism about China’s numbers, prompting claims that 42,000 people or more could have died in Wuhan alone.

    The country has recorded 3,331 deaths from coronavirus and 81,708 cases but many have speculated that this number is much higher and that China is trying to cover up the true reality of the spread.

    Delay and deceit over the origins of the outbreak cost precious time – and many thousands of lives both in China and subsequently in the rest of the world.

    Scepticism about China’s numbers has swirled throughout the crisis, fuelled by official efforts to quash bad news in the early days and a general distrust of the government.

    A whistleblowing doctor, who first alerted the rest of the world to the escalating crisis within Hubei province, was sanctioned by medical authorities and police.

    Dr Li Wenliang, who later died of the virus, was called in by both medical officials and the police and forced to sign a statement denouncing his warning as an unfounded and illegal rumour in early January.

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  • Silly…don’t know if you met any of your relatives who survived the 1918 grippe espagnol….but Barbados had 190 deaths…that information should be made public, let’s see if the island escapes more casualties this time around with a government that is not completely focused and has made and are still making so many missteps in their amateur hour..

    “THE Opposition Leader is “mobilising seamstresses and tailors” to make masks for the public to curb the spread of covid19 in TT.

    A statement issued on Sunday by the UNC indicated that Kamla Persad-Bissessar was doing that as well as mobilising “donors of cloth and other supplies to sew face masks for those who do not have.

    “The distribution of these masks will begin as soon as possible in keeping with the latest recommendations from the CDC (Centre for Disease Control).”

    The UNC also said it was calling for donations of cloth and elastic bands.

    The party also said several Asian countries such as Japan and South Korea were faring better against covid19 because their citizens were wearing face masks.

    In a statement on Sunday, the Health Ministry recommended the public should use face masks to reduce the spread of covid19.”

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  • Well.somebody got to take the fall
    However the good side hopefully when he resigns he can take the gloves off and punch against the weight of crticisms
    Yuh always hear that those that shout the loudest when sh.it hits the fan got something to hide
    Republicans yuh looking at.u

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  • “America self sufficient in oil, net exporter!!”

    Really now. Then explain why they are importing 4000 barrels of Canadian oil per day. Is this the oil they are exporting?

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  • Our Mayor is on TV. The lockdown on community centres, parks, libraries, gyms, etc. has been extended until the end of June. Apparently community gardens are as well, but we will have to see. I will go out to my allotment and do what I can early in the morning.

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  • less than 5mins test coming .

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  • fortyacresandamule

    Now they blaming the black man. It is Trump they should be calling to resign. The temerity of those blasted hippocrites.

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  • @Baje April 6, 2020 12:57 AM “THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU PUT ECONOMICS BEFORE PEOPLES LIVES.”

    i am completely non-political. I’ve voted for both party’s and I hope to vote for both again.

    This man’s death had nothing to do with putting economics before people’s lives. It had nothing to do with party politics.

    Simply an elderly Bajan couple who went to England to visit their children and grand children, and then came home again. They could have been my elder brother or sister, or yours.

    I have an elderly sister who migrated to the U.K. in the late 60’s. She planned to travel to Barbados on March 23, but canceled her trip on March 18 when neither Barbados nor the United Kingdom had put stringent measures in place. But she worked as a health professional for more that 40 years. Was also expected some other friends and relatives from the U.K. on March 17 and 19. They do cancelled acting on medical experience, not from medical advice from either country.

    These were friends/relatives, not X amount of pounds sterling. They were planning to visit us strictly as a love thing, to garden together, go to the beach together, eat at one another’s homes, and at local restaurants and the village rum shop etc. fire one or drink a beer or two with the people we went to elementary school with.

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