BILL to Amend the POLICE ACT Major Step to POLICE STATE

Adriel Brathwaite, minister of Home Affairs

Submitted by DAVID  COMISSIONG, CITIZEN  OF  BARBADOS

Tomorrow– Wednesday the 31st of January 2018 — the Senate of Barbados will be considering a Bill to amend the Police Act that was laid in the House of Assembly by the Democratic Labour Party (DLP) Attorney General Adriel Brathwaite.

The main component of this Bill is a proposal to give the Commissioner of Police and the Attorney General the power– by themselves— to impose a two day “CURFEW” on any geographical area within our nation (or indeed across the ENTIRE island) if the Commissioner of Police considers that he “has received information or intelligence with regard to criminal activity in any area of Barbados, and it appears to him that due to the nature or extent of the criminal activity, that there are reasonable grounds to believe that in the interest of public safety, public order or for the purpose of preventing or detecting crime, it is necessary to do so”.

And once such a CURFEW is imposed, the Bill–if enacted into law — would give the Police the right to:-


  1. Command all persons within the Curfew area to return to their homes or premises and remain indoors;
  2. Command all businesses in the Curfew area to close and remain closed;
  3. Command all social gatherings in the Curfew area to come to an end;
  4. Search all premises (without any requirement to have a Search Warrant) once any Police officer has reasonable suspicion that any offence (no matter how minor or trivial)  has been committed or is about to be committed in the said premises;
  5. Stop and search any person (without any requirement to have a Search Warrant) once any Police officer has reasonable suspicion that any offence (no matter how minor or trivial) has been committed or is about to be about to be committed;
  6. Stop and search any motor-vehicle (without any requirement to have a search Warrant) once any Police officer has reasonable suspicion that any offence (no matter how minor or trivial) has been committed or is about to be committed; and
  7. Require any person within the Curfew area  to remain stationary and to refrain from carrying out any activity.

Furthermore, if the Police set up a so-called “Cordon” in any part of Barbados–either generally or under a Curfew– they also have the power to oblige any person within the cordon area to answer questions put to them by the Police, and to perform any actions that the Police believe are reasonably required in order to preserve the peace or to prevent any contravention of the law.

The Bill therefore proposes to give the Police powers over the Barbadian citizen’s Constitutionally guaranteed rights to liberty, security of the person, and protection of the privacy of his home and other property, that are way in excess of the powers that the Police currently generally possess!

Under our current Constitutional arrangements, the only way that the Police can acquire the powers that this Bill proposes to give them is if “a period of public emergency” is declared under Section 25 of our Barbados Constitution.

In a similar vein to this Bill, Section 25 (2) (b) of the Constitution provides that one of the grounds on which a “period of public emergency”  may be declared is if “action has been taken by any person of such a nature and on so extensive a scale as to be likely to endanger the public safety….”

HOWEVER, the BIG  DIFFERENCE between the declaration of a “period of public emergency” under Section 25 of the Constitution and the declaration of a Curfew under this Democratic Labour Party (DLP) Bill is that in the former case (under the Constitution), the special regime can only be established by way of a vote in BOTH the House of Assembly and the Senate of two thirds of the members of these two houses of Parliament, or by way of a Proclamation of the Governor General, to be followed by Orders made by the entire Cabinet of Barbados– Orders that then have to be laid before Parliament, while in the latter case (under the DLP Bill), the decision is totally left to the Attorney General and the Commissioner of Police, with no need for Parliamentary approval.

I can’t speak for the rest of my fellow Barbadians, but certainly I, as a Citizen of Barbados,  do not feel comfortable with such power being placed in the hands of the Attorney General and the Commissioner of Police!

As far as I am concerned, if such sweeping powers are to be given to the Police they should only be given in circumstances where the elected political representatives of the people– meeting in a session of the House of Assembly– give due consideration to the reasons being put forward for the imposition of a Curfew and the granting of draconian Police powers, and signify their approval by a majority vote.

I would also like my fellow Barbadian citizens to know that this is not the only outrageous proposal contained in this DLP Bill!

Just to give one other example:- This Bill is proposing that anyone found guilty of using “abusive or insulting language” to a Police Officer who is carrying out duties during the course of implementing a so-called “cordon”in any part of Barbados, or during the course of a Curfew, is liable

“on conviction by a court of summary jurisdiction to a fine of $10,000 or to imprisonment for a term of 3 years or to both, but if the magistrate is of the opinion that the matter is a fit subject for a prosecution by indictment, he shall commit the offender to stand trial at the High Court sitting for the trial of criminal offences.” (PLEASE  SEE  SECTION  5 OF  THE  BILL)

If this is not evidence of a burgeoning Police State then I don’t know what is.

It is truly scandalous that the Parliament of Barbados is on the verge of enacting into law such a draconian Bill that subverts so many of the freedoms and rights of the Barbadian people WITH  LITTLE  OR  NO  PUBLIC  DISCUSSION!

I hereby call upon and encourage the seven Independent Senators of Barbados to take upon themselves the role of “tribunes” of the Barbadian people– to be the voice and conscience of the Barbadian people in tomorrow’s Senate debate, and to insist that this Bill not be passed, and that it be put through a process of public scrutiny and discussion, and ultimately, of amendment.

154 comments

  • millertheanunnaki

    @ John February 1, 2018 at 9:52 A
    “.. and by the way, the Police Force I am pretty sure came into being after slavery had been abolished in 1833/34!!”

    All that this copying of “Peel” is what your ‘mother country’ did in 1829.

    Simply to take over some of the duties of the ‘foreign’ militia to keep the ‘physically freed’ slaves in continuous psychological slavery.

    Why don’t you tell us when were black people ‘officially’ allowed to attend the newly arrived churches like the Methodist?

    What about the hasty introduction of laws to curb the newly freed blacks from becoming ‘entrepreneurs’ and vending along the streets in order to justify the money paid to the newly-established civil militia aka Police Force?

    BTW, do you know how the police in the same mother country are described and referred to as a mark of subservient respect?

    How about “Pigs”? And this is no little ‘Bobby’ jobby piggy.

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  • Well Well @ Cut and Paste @ Your Service

    lol…Miller..my answers will keep getting shorter and shorter because of the current demonic intent from parliament trickling down, that they seem not aware others can see.

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  • An unusual event took place in a constituency known for illegal and unlawful acts.This area is represented by a minister with lots of political power and clout.The well publicized reception for one of their prodigal sons returning to the district after a lengthy involuntary absence resulted in massive damage to the infrastructure of the district. The law abiding of the district were paralyzed with fear.Those who serve and protect were equally paralyzed.The perpertrators appear to have had the upper hand and a post mortem indicated the enforcers’ hands were tied owing to an inadequacy of existing law.Recommendations were put forward for corrective action to be taken.The district was targeted for a dressing down and a clean up of royal proportions.When the matter came before the sanhedrin the area representative objected,seeing that the fallout would likely have serious implications for him emphasizing that his position of influence would have been diminished if not demolished.The decision was therefore taken to target each and every district in the country with the new draconian laws fit for a police state like Turkey and Iran or Venezuela where there are no such thing as human rights or the rule of law.

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  • Well Well @ Cut and Paste @ Your Service

    well…one or all of those ministers now on borrowed time in parliament, are trying to shine a violation of human rights spotlight on themselves and Barbados as is now happening to their comrade Gonzales in St. Vincent….maybe that is what they all want, some people want strange things.

    this government has overstayed their welcome by 5 years.

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  • Why don’t you tell us when were black people ‘officially’ allowed to attend the newly arrived churches like the Methodist?

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    Sure!!

    There was as far as I can tell no restriction on any person attending church once they were free and Christian!!

    My guess is they were encouraged to attend.

    Free Negroes and Free Mulattoes routinely married … and had themselves and their offspring baptized, ….. from the year dot.

    The Methodist Church appeared in Barbados more than a century after free negroes and mulattoes had been attending the Anglican Church.

    If you want examples, I can provide, but if you look at the registers online you will see for yourself.

    That’s probably a better way because if you do it for yourself it is more likely you will believe and realise you have been the subject of brainwashing!!

    … plus, I have been through all this already and after a enough repetitions it becomes tiresome …. even though it is an enjoyable exercise!!

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ John February 1, 2018 at 2:23 PM
    “There was as far as I can tell no restriction on any person attending church once they were free and Christian!!”

    Yes Siree, John, you have sprung the contrived trap of contradiction.

    What you are confirming is that the majority black slaves were not recognized in the sight of your white ‘God’; not even to make and serve the milk and honey in his house.

    So how come the Quakers (who were not only white but also “free and Christian”) were banned from keeping ‘church’ in the open?

    Was it because they were mixing and fornicating with the ‘freed’ ‘sweet-skin-bucky’ blacks to get mulattos?

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  • “The Auditor General is a government organization and the prime and supreme audit institution in the country for ensuring public accountability and fiscal transparency and oversight in governmental operations.”

    Bearing the above in mind, could government not increase the powers of the Auditor General as well?

    I would love to see some of the following information, which was taken from the Auditor General’s Acts of three countries……….. included in Barbados’ Auditor General’s Act:

    Examination and subpoena

      18. (1) The auditor general may examine a person on oath or affirmation on a matter pertinent to an account submitted to the auditor general for audit and the oath or affirmation may be administered by the auditor general to a person whom the auditor general desires to examine.
    
             (2)  In order to compel the attendance of a person under subsection (1), the auditor general may apply to a judge of the Trial Division for an order that a subpoena be issued from the court commanding the person named in the subpoena to appear before the auditor general at the time and place mentioned in the subpoena, and then and there to testify to all matters within that person's knowledge relative to an account submitted to the auditor general.
    
             (3)  Where so required, the person named in the subpoena shall produce a document, paper or thing which he or she has possession of relative to the account.
    
             (4)  A person named in a subpoena issued under this section is entitled to reasonable expenses at the time of the service.
    

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    “AUDITS AND EXAMINATIONS Act 1 of 2003 AN ACT to provide for the audit and examination of this state and state funds; to provide for the audit and examination of the books and accounts of all branches, departments, offices, boards, commissions, agencies, authorities, and institutions of this state; to prescribe powers and duties of certain state officers and employees; to provide for access to certain records; to PROVIDE for the SUBPOENA of witnesses and production of documents and records; to PRESCRIBE PENALTIES; and to provide for the administration of this act.”
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    “The auditor general can SUBPOENA witnesses, administer oaths, take testimony and require the production of evidence once it applies to the appropriate court.”

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  • @Artax
    this is about expanding the reach and power of the political class, not restricting it, via any form of 3rd party compliance or accountability. The people are just pawns.

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  • A former DPP,now removed from terra firma,ordered the arrest of a law abiding citizen and had him charged with theft and money laundering without an iota of proof of these criminal offences.This was not a policeman acting under orders in accordance with a souped up charge under a proposed Police Act but by a public servant occupying a very senior position in the official gallery of servants of the crown.That the souped up charges were withdrawn 2 or 3 years later is a bitter pill to swallow.That not one citizen has lifted a finger to ventilate this wrongdoing says a lot about the legal profession of this now DLP one eyed town called Barbados.If that happened to a lawyer,what the hell will happen to an ordinary man in the street.And don’t tell me that a Commissioner of Police or an AG are above suspicion.Like hell,none is to be trusted when one’s freedom or one’s liberty is circumscribed by power mad hitleresque officials of the crown.This is the type of interference that gave rise to a misinterpretation of the US Constitution and every tom,dick and harry carry a gun in that gun crazy country.Barbados must be protected from this development.There must be checks and balances on police authority and power.Parliament must always be the protector of the citizens against the unbridled power of the police and the army.Human beings can be wicked vicious,vindictive animals when aroused to anger.Anarchy lurks under this thoughtless administration.

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  • Good, we were calling for the AG and police to do more on gun-related crime. This is a good step.

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  • In a small society without proper oversight such an ignorant RH piece of legislation will be abused by those entrusted with power. Where are the churches, Bar Association and trade unions as well as other civil society organizations that should stand in the vanguard of our democracy.

    If ever there was a time for the masses to show a government where true power lies that time is now. Something tells me that somewhere within the DNA of most bajans lies the genes of goats and sheep.

    Never live your life fearful of speaking out against injustice for your dying days will be one of slow remorse and severe anguish. The minds and body of the weak are easily imprisoned as well as broken but the minds and body of the strong are fortified by persecution.

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  • NorthernObserver

    Take Bermuda for example…….

    The mandate of the Office of the Auditor-General is provided by the Bermuda Constitution Order 1968 and the Audit Act 1990.

    The Office of Bermuda’s Auditor General is ENTIRELY INDEPENDENT.

    The Auditor-General, although appointed by the Governor of Bermuda, CANNOT be DIRECTED by anyone, INCLUDING the GOVERNOR, PARLIAMENT and the GOVERNMENT.

    The Bermuda Constitution Order and the Audit Act 1990 PROVIDES the Auditor-General with the NECESSARY POWERS and FUNCTIONS including the LEGAL BASES to ACCESS all government information and the FREEDOM to REPORT on any findings that arise from the audits conducted.

    I believe Barbados’ Auditor General’s Act should be “modernized,” as was being proposed in Bermuda….. granting the Auditor General the authority to:

    ………include a lawyer and at least 2 forensic auditors to the staff compliment;

    ……… full legal subpoena power of investigation, discovery, and the right “to follow the money to its original source,” …………even to a government minister.

    I’m positive that, with these measures in place, we won’t have situations where government entities waste “tax payers’ money,” such as:

    …….. newly built NHC houses remaining unoccupied for a number of years… and “rotting.”
    ……..Ministry of Agriculture building vendors’ stalls in Golden Square only to be dismantled by “parros.”
    ……..numerous government vehicles lying idle on government property in need of repairs, only to be scrapped or sold cheaply to someone’s friend.

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  • @Gabriel
    The district was targeted for a dressing down and a clean up of royal proportions.When the matter came before the sanhedrin the area representative objected,seeing that the fallout would likely have serious implications for him emphasizing that his position of influence would have been diminished if not demolished.

    On such spurious reasonings laws are made; since one politician didn’t want to be embarrassed the whole populace must be discomfited for ever and ever amen. These laws will do more to stymie legitimate protests than they will do to prevent crime, there are enough laws on the books to tackle all situations, giving the police more tools doesn’t mean they will deploy them effectively they will take it as “a nod and a wink” to silence critics of the Gov’t of the day. For good measure they threw in the bit about insulting language was just keep some nuisances put away at Dodds for a little while.

    “What are you in for?” “Dey gih me 3 years for beating muh woman”; “What about you?” “I cuss a policeman and I get de same”.

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  • Such blanket ill conceived laws will not deter millinenials from speaking out against injustice. Trinidad and Jamaica are prime examples of how normally decent law abiding citizens responded to such ill conceived stupid laws which infringed their constitutional rights. Baby boomers have destroyed and sold out Barbados for pepper corn.

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  • These DLP people are so stupid that they may actually pass these laws just before their donkeys are voted out of power – and just in time to facilitate the ‘almost as retarded’ BLP (who were intent on eavesdropping and going after the blogs when last THEY held power…) using them to round up their dishonest-DLP-behinds, and locking them all up on some frivolous shiite charge.

    Karma is an igrunt ‘so-and-so’ yuh!!!

    Dumb and dumber.

    …and to think that they may actually think that this shiite approach actually makes sense, …or has any better hope of working, than their mindless tax laws have worked…..
    Shiite tax – failed
    Tipping Fee – failed
    Cell phone tax – fail
    Fingerprinting -fail
    Terminal Parro sales -fail
    Hyatt madness -fail
    medium term plan -fail
    whole damn economy -fail

    Steupsss … what DEM ever did that did NOT fail…?
    WAIT…!!!
    ….de ugly-ass monument pun the Garrison…..
    wid the Devil’s pitchfork emerging from the earth.
    That succeeded ……in unleashing wicked demons on Bim.

    These people have the JOBBY-midas touch.
    Everything they touched turned into shit, …and runs down Hastings towards their monument at the Garrison ….and their offices in Bay Street….

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  • What you are confirming is that the majority black slaves were not recognized in the sight of your white ‘God’; not even to make and serve the milk and honey in his house.
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    Actually, it shows a certain religious tolerance and respect.

    Christianity cannot be forced on anyone,

    It is a matter of CHOYCE!!!

    You don’t see Muslims, Hindu’s or other religions going to an Anglican Church unless there is an inter faith service.

    It makes sense that people who did not believe would not be present.

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  • So how come the Quakers (who were not only white but also “free and Christian”) were banned from keeping ‘church’ in the open?

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    You are referring to a law in England which prohibited meetings of more than a certain number of persons.

    That’s why they left England!!!

    That’s why Barbados, and America exist.

    The Bible forced them into existence as people fled England to practice their beliefs.

    It is true that before Quakers became established in Barbados, there were laws in place (1676) which prohibited them from having slaves at their meetings.

    They ignored them and there are examples where they were fined for disobeying the law.

    But remember, having slaves at a meeting to hear the Gospel does not mean the slaves became Christian.

    Christianity is a matter of CHOYCE, and that’s why you will find a place named “THE CHOYCE in St. Andrew from earliest days.

    This and other place names were signposts our ancestors left for them, and us today to follow!!

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    John Liesalot….this is your reality and your ancestor’s reality.

    Britain Sent Thousands of Its Convicts to America, Not Just Australia

    Matt Novak
    5/29/15 1:00pmFiled to: PENAL TRANSPORTATION
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    The joke about Australia is that it was founded by a bunch of criminals. And from 1788 until 1868, Britain did send roughly 164,000 convicts to the land down under. America’s dirty little secret? The same exact thing was happening here. In fact, experts estimate that over 52,000 British prisoners were shipped off to colonial America.

    Britain had been shipping convicts to America for decades before they started sending them to Australia. In fact, it was precisely because of America’s fight for independence that the Brits had to start sending their criminals to Australia. But from 1718 until 1775, convict transportation to the American colonies flourished. Some estimates claim that almost 10 percent of migrants to America during this time were British convicts.

    01/16/2018
    Typically, getting banished to America was for a term of either seven or fourteen years, after which the convict could theoretically come back the Britain. Escaping home early, however, was punishable by death. And it wasn’t just men. Some female convicts were transported to the American colonies as well, for crimes such as being “lewd” and “walk[ing] the streets after ten at night.”

    Many Australians have more or less embraced their convict history. But if you’re an American who had no idea that your country’s founding included a huge prison population, you’re not alone. Historically, Americans have not been too keen on discussing the fact that convicts came to what would eventually become known as the United States.

    As Anthony Vaver explains in his book Bound With An Iron Chain, historians have sought to cover up the fact that so many prisoners were sent to America:

    Through the 19th century, most historians simply ignored the institution, and those who did recognize it usually claimed that nearly all of the people who were transported were political prisoners.

    No less a figure than Thomas Jefferson himself tried to downplay the history of penal transportation to America. Writing in 1786, Jefferson insisted that even if British criminals had been sent, they must’ve been small in number:

    The Malefactors sent to America were not sufficient in number to merit enumeration as one class out of three which peopled America. It was at a late period of their history that the practice began. I have no book by me which enables me to point out the date of its commencement. But I do not think the whole number sent would amount to 2000 and being principally men eaten up with disease, they married seldom and propagated little. I do not suppose that themselves and their descendants are at present four thousand, which is little more than one thousandth part of the whole inhabitants.

    Except that this wasn’t true. British convicts came over in droves, and free Americans weren’t too happy about it. In fact, even before the Transportation Act of 1718 really opened the doors for Britain’s dumping of undesirables in America, some colonies tried to pass laws that would prohibit the practice. In 1670 authorities in Virginia passed an act that prohibited convicts from being sent to the area. This, unsurprisingly, was overruled by the king.

    Pennsylvania tried to do something similar in 1722 by passing a tax for the importation of any people for servitude who had been found “guilty of heinous crimes.” The king, naturally, said that this wasn’t allowed either, proclaiming in 1731: “Whereas acts have been passed in America for laying duties on felons imported, — in direct opposition to an act of Parliament for the more effectual transportation of felons, — it is our royal will and more pleasure that you approve of no duties laid on the importation of any felons into Pennsylvania.”

    Many of those sent to the American colonies were put to work doing manual labor. From an 1896 paper on the subject by James Davie Butler:

    Planters both in the West Indies and in Virginia, which was reckoned a part of them far on in the eighteenth century, needed laborers, and welcomed a supply from whatever quarter. […] As Virginia’s staple was tobacco, it naturally became a centre of white as well as black servitude, whether its victims were indented or not, and criminal or not.

    Americans have rather romantic ideas about how their country was founded. We’ve long been fond of the mythology surrounding persecuted people freely traveling to the New World and building the greatest country on Earth. But, like all history, it’s much, much messier than that. Our history includes plenty of genocide, slavery, and just a dash of prison folk — and the latter may be news to many Americans who wouldn’t hesitate to make jokes about Australia being populated by the descendants of criminals.

    But Australia really wasn’t special in that regard. Shipping criminals halfway around the world was part of America’s sordid history, too.

    Image: 1828 illustration of the convict ship ‘Discovery’ bound for Australia via Hulton Archive and Getty Images

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    John Liesalot…..Yall are descendants of criminals and convicts still infecting and infesting the islands and pretending to be something else…..that is what present and future generations on the islands must be taught in school.

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    John Liesalot…, that’s what yall are and always will be, ya cant change ya tainted bloodlines with fancy bullshit language..

    …….ah relative of mine just did a genetic test and found there was 4% British in the bloodline cauldron, I told them that was the British rapists…, and they are fine with that….

    Time to face and accept reality.

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  • John is baiting WW and befouling this thread which is highlighting a grave threat to democracy as we know it in ole Bim.In case you missed it John,we are more concerned with the imminent threat to our freedoms and liberty enshrined in our constitution than in your arguments about Quakers and other religionists who continue to enslave the minds of ignorant people of colour in particular

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  • Lest we forget,right upon our doorstep in a fellow Caricom country,a former President Jagdeo presided over the extra-judicial killings of in excess of 500 fellow Guyanese,a majority of which was made up of African brothers and sisters.Another matter of grave concern was in the same Guyana and again under the presidency of the same Jagdeo,a former Commissioner of Police openly broke laws bringing the office which he held into disrepute and remained unsanctioned by the PPP regime of Jagdeo.Now the present administration of President Granger is fulfilling a campaign promise to open a Commission of Inquiry into these extra judicial killings and Jagdeo,having agreed to the CoI is now backpeddling as was expected.Based on media reports and expressions of eye witnesses to these events,Barbados should be wary of the current attempt to increase untrammelled police powers over its citizens under any pretext whatever.Follow the provisions of the constitution.Any change to that must follow its provisions for amendment or alteration.

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    Lol….John Liesalot is trying to keep the…”to enslave the minds of ignorant people of colour in particular….intact…for his and his ilk’s future generations to exploit.

    ……that is all they do, and it is not even hard work, their ancestors just set the tone and kept up the pace for centuries.

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    “a former President Jagdeo presided over the extra-judicial killings of in excess of 500 fellow Guyanese,a majority of which was made up of African brothers and sisters.”

    I never even heard of that, everyone knows Jagdeo is really corrupt, racist and dirty..he was recently arrested for something or other…..last year or year before.

    ………more the reason for human rights groups to mobilize and expose the demons in their parliaments across the Caribbean and have them arrested under international laws when they abuse their power…..even after they are thrown out of government.

    The same way a human rights group should be monitoring the present Barbados government and their abusive Bill right now….the blog works hard to expose but warm bodies on the ground have to mobilize and connect with and reach out to international agencies that lend assistance to other human rights groups.

    I am sure everyone has seen in the last week how reaching out to international agencies to expose a government abusing power produces instant results, like in St. Vincent…

    …. what are yall doing in Barbados.?

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ Well Well & Cut N’ Paste At Your Service February 2, 2018 at 4:27 AM #
    “John Liesalot….this is your reality and your ancestor’s reality.
    Britain Sent Thousands of Its Convicts to America, Not Just Australia”

    Barbados was also treated as a penal colony of sorts long before Australia, going back to 17th and 18th Centuries.

    We are sure Mr. Liesalot has heard of the Monmouth Rebellion when many white British people were transported (transplanted) to ‘Barbadoes’ as criminals and convicts.

    Sir John should also admit that many of his kith and kin Quaker ancestors did not come to Barbadoes on their own free will and at their personal financial cost but were forcibly removed from Britain and like the other ‘red legs’ had to endure conditions similar to a form of ‘white’ slavery aka indentured labour.

    Inbreeding and poor health have been a curse on that lot of white devils in the Sun.

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    Miller…when I first came on this blog years ago, there were some really demonic whites engaging to destroy the blog and muddy the waters, they worked hard to insert and spread their poison…ah bet they thought no one was watching them.

    ….but many stood strong and resisted the onslaught and the blogmaster stood firm….John Liesalot is the last holdout, even MoneyB has weakened…and those token followers of destruction, scattered..

    Now that the centuries old threat has more or less been neutralized…..at least on the blog.

    What is really important now is the formation of human rights groups…across the region and on the island to monitor the old and new groups of ministers and politicians on so there is no repeat of a St. Vincent…

    …time to police, monitor and watch these government carefully and consistently, because they ALL have the potenyial to abuse once given power, large salaries, status…access to work leaders and vicious criminals….by the people…

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    I should add…

    ….time to police, monitor and watch these government carefully and consistently, because they ALL have the potential to abuse once given power, large salaries, status, DIPLOMATIC PROTECTIONS…access to work leaders and vicious criminals….by the people who elect them…

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  • We are sure Mr. Liesalot has heard of the Monmouth Rebellion when many white British people were transported (transplanted) to ‘Barbadoes’ as criminals and convicts.

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    … and the Monmouth rebellion was in 1685.

    Quakers were here from about 1648/9 and Puritans from 1626/7!!

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  • John February 2, 2018 at 11:27 AM #

    Was John Poyer sipped to Barbados during the Monmouth Rebellion? Is that what gave him the idea of writing a history of the island?

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  • Poyer wrote it in 1805 as far as I can remember.

    He was from a different era.

    Griffith Hughes was c. 1750, 50 years earlier, and Schomburgk 1848.

    Ligon was 1647-49, just around the time the first Quakers were arriving.

    He could only describe Barbados from 1626/7- 1649, ie, the Puritan era.

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  • John February 2, 2018 at 11:52 AM #

    Poyer died in the mid-17th century and was very active in the rebellions..

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  • Pretty sure he deals with events in the book up to 1805 but will check

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  • 1605 to 1801 is the period John Poyer wrote about.

    A Poyer family was here from early.

    Mount Poyer in St. Lucy.

    There is an Abel Poyer witnessing a 1693 will.

    … and a will of Abel Poyer of St. Lucy in 1718 … probably a Quaker as he refers to his Friends, Captain William Harris and William Rollock.

    There is a John Poyer, son of Thomas Poyer of Christ Church appearing in a 1718 will.

    My guess is that Abel and Thomas were brothers.

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  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Poyer

    This John Poyer was executed in the Civil War for Treason

    It may well be the John Poyer who wrote the history of Barbados may have been a descendant.

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ John February 2, 2018 at 11:27 AM

    Never argued as a ‘fact’ that Quakers were “barbadosed” as a direct result of the Monmouth Rebellion. Other red legs and rednecks were caught up in the transportation to the death camps in the tropics.

    What we would like to hear from you is why the Quakers were ‘excommunicated’ from Britain at the conveniently appropriate time when the sugar cane industry was in its early years and the arrival of black human cargo had just started to take off.

    Many hands, both black and white, were needed to push the inchoate industry. And Quakers were beneficently suited to carry the whip of the slave driver in one hand and a book of lies and myths in the other to justify their ‘Christian’ acts.

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  • What we would like to hear from you is why the Quakers were ‘excommunicated’ from Britain at the conveniently appropriate time when the sugar cane industry was in its early years and the arrival of black human cargo had just started to take off.

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    You would have to have a word with God and see if you can discover his plan!!

    If you read about George Fox you will see he had a revelation in 1646.

    http://www.ushistory.org/penn/fox.htm

    “The first crisis at age 19: “…the Lord, who said unto me: ‘Thou seest how young people go together in vanity, and old people into the earth; thou must forsake all, young and old, keep out of all, and be as a stranger unto all. Then at the command of God, the ninth of the Seventh month, 1643, I left my relations, and broke off all familiarity or fellowship with young or old.” The thing that threw him into commotion was the discovery that professions of religion were hollow in the lives of those who composed the Church. A second probable cause was that Fox believed in a religion of life and a faith in the divine possibilities in man’s nature, while the preaching in the local church tended to be focused on the depravity of mankind, the domination of Satan and harrowing accounts of eternal damnation. He began three years of wandering about looking for answers.”

    It wasn’t so much that the Quakers were excommunicated from the Anglican Church.

    They chose a different path, that’s all!!

    And they did so based on God’s revelations to George Fox.

    …. just at the time when the arrival in Barbados of the black human cargo had started to take off.

    Coincidence you may say …..

    You could look at it as God sending the Quakers to get rid of slavery.

    He prepared George Fox and sent him to do His Will.

    There can be no dispute on the fact that the Quakers ended slavery.

    We could dispute whether it was God’s will and plan that we watched unfold.

    I think it is impossible to follow history, watch things like this unfold and not realise there has to have been a design.

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ John February 2, 2018 at 1:07 PM
    “You could look at it as God sending the Quakers to get rid of slavery.

    He prepared George Fox and sent him to do His Will.”

    Quakers were sent by God to get rid of slavery? What kind of mock pusillanimous impotent creature is that? Getting human weaklings to do his job!

    Why didn’t he do it himself the same way he did it to Sodom and Gomorrah?

    Why didn’t he send Fox to Brazil to ‘outfox’ the slave owners? Wasn’t Brazil much steeper in the ungodly act of slavery than little Barbados?

    Isn’t a paradox of coincidence that both George Fox and David Attenborough (a known evolutionist) share the same ancestral home? One being a disciple of a fictitious god called Jesus and the other a disciple of Darwin the real McCoy of Christianity in its purest pagan form.

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  • Why didn’t he do it himself the same way he did it to Sodom and Gomorrah?

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    God moves in a mysterious way his wonders to perform!!

    …. or if you prefer the Bible

    Romans 11:33: “O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!” (KJV)

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    John Liesalot dont even believe the fraud christianity nonsense he posts, he just hopes foolish people believes it, I stopped read his posts months ago, reading an occasional line or two now and then tells ya all ya need to know, same old fairytale rubbish, without end.

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ John February 2, 2018 at 3:34 PM
    “God moves in a mysterious way his wonders to perform!!”

    Then you better summons his backside to save the legacy of his Quaker Christian Barbados.

    Barbados now needs more than a ‘wondrous’ miracle to save itself from economic Armageddon and a public health plague of pharaonic proportion.

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  • Then you better summons his backside to save the legacy of his Quaker Christian Barbados.

    Barbados now needs more than a ‘wondrous’ miracle to save itself from economic Armageddon and a public health plague of pharaonic proportion.

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    If that’s what you think then why don’t you try it yourself instead of going through an intermediary.

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ John February 2, 2018 at 4:40 PM

    You are right on the button. No need to go through an intermediary.

    I look up to the Light. And black people would always be enslaved unless they drop the white man’s book of lies you like to peddle here on BU and look towards the same Light which provides them with the melanin for their black skin.

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    …”and look towards the same Light which provides them with the melanin for their black skin.”

    And all the answers they need will be within them.

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  • Miller …about that plague thing..I know the first one was dying fish which you have had , the second one I think Well Well probably has that talking toad thing covered, the third was the biting insects I guess that is why you are fogging daily now…so I can see how you may think you are going down that plague road, but before you think life as you know it will be over soon …remember …the IMF will keep you alive so you can pay them back what you will be borrowing.

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    Lawson…how ya so scarce, the market is crashing and you abandoned ship.

    “Top Senate and House Dems have written to Trump, warning him against using the Nunes memo as a justification for firing Rosenstein or Mueller, saying they’d view it as attempted obstruction and that it’d cause a constitutional crisis not seen since the Saturday Night Massacre”

    Everyone who created that fake memo will go to prison…lol…I hope you did not help.

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  • MTA and WC you sound like you are aspiring Quakers!!

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    John Liesalot…that reverse psychology will not work, carry ya blighted and cursed quaker philosophy to black people still dumb enough to believe that nonsense….GP and Ha, Ha Austin come to mind,

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  • No reverse psychology, just remarking on similarities!!

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  • I have a Quaker ancestor in St. Philip. 1670’s, who like many other Quakers refused to pay their church dues because they believed they did not need an intermediary (priest) to intercede for them with God.

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  • So you mean that if I had cussed the two unmannerly ones who pulled in my driveway at 9.30 a few nights ago like madmen, blowing the horn loudly and repeatedly looking for somebody they were told lived at my house, alarming me with the manner of their approach and offering no apology when they realised they were in error I would be subject to these ridiculous penalties. If I had not been so relieved that noone in my family had been the victim of some calamity I probably would have given them a stern lecture. It would not have been the first or even the second time.

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  • Donna, I hope those officers use a different tactic if they are called back to your address. Of course, you do know that they are responding to a call that was dispatched to them from either a 911 Center or a call from Police Headquarters. The lack of caution on their behalf was dangerous for them and for you, because as you stated, a stern lecturing would have caused them to become defensive for their safety, and you could have possibly been arrested for obstructing an officer from doing their official duty. Please respect that the officers are sometimes responding based on calls that are described as urgent and possible weapons involved, to which they don’t know until they arrive on scene. If they show you respect also things will go better.

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