Local Microbiologist Calls for Curfew to be Extended to 28 Days

The following comment was posted by local microbiologist Dr. Robert Lucas to another blog – Bajans Jettison Social Distancing for Cheek by Jowl. The blogmaster regards it as one of the most important points shared on Barbados Underground since the status of COVID 19 was elevated by Prime Minister Mia Mottley.

David, Barbados Underground

Let me repeat what I have stated elsewhere on the Blog.

The curfew has to rigorously enforced. Once this is done, there is no need for contact tracing. I will explain.

Those who manifest symptoms are easily managed. It is person Z who comes into contact with a person (asymptomatic or beginning to show signs) and is unaware of the fact, who poses the immediate threat. By having the curfew and rigidly enforcing it, means that person Z is localized to a fixed area.

There will be more than one person who qualifies for the nomenclature Z. Since the curfew is rigidly enforced when the Zs become ill and use the hotline, hot spots are known. There will be a number of these hot spots. There should be isolated and all persons in the vicinity of the Z’ screened and placed into mandatory quarantine. No crap about voluntary quarantine.

For this method to work, it means that very tough enforcement it needed. None of this crap about human rights and individual liberty. Human rights and so on can be dealt with after the situation is under control…


Elsewhere on the Blog, I said that a twenty-eight day curfew was needed. I explain my reasoning as follows: there would be different viral incubation times for different individuals. Twenty-eight days would appear to be time for all individuals to show manifestations of the infection.

 

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  • fortyacresandamule

    People always looking for scape goats. Next time around should be a planet-busting asteroid heading our way. Then we will have something to blame, whine, bicker about. In the end a world without people. Not a bad alternative.

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  • @John April 6, 2020 2:04 AM “I lost a cousin who I had never met just heard of in New York to the virus.”

    Sorry to hear of the death of your new York cousin.

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  • A soldier in the Barbados Defence Force was shot in the chest.

    https://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/244857/soldier-shot

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  • Well, it appears there is another death and 4 more infections.

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  • @ Hal,
    I’m listening to the Stephen Nolan show on radio 5. He has interviewed a number of specialists. They have given Boris a one in two chance of survival.

    PLT was it necessary at this particular time to insert the infamous quote made by Boris a couple of weeks ago?

    Leaving aside Boris, it is worth repeating that Mia screwed up by not closing the borders at least three weeks earlier in Barbados.

    If the UK were to lose their Prime Minister within the next 24 hours it would be a disaster. I fear that Barbados could face a catastrophic loss of lives with Covid-19.

    The UK with all her resources looks unable to safeguard the life of their prime minister.

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  • EVERYONE NEEDS TO SEE AND SHARE THIS VIDEO!!

    SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING AND WATCH THE VIDEO PROVIDED … From Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai, MIT PhD.,

    Did you know the chances of recovery from the coronavirus are about 98%—if you catch it? Did you know there are models showing 50% of the population may have already had it, never knew they had it, and recovered? Again, one would think this data would be widely available and reported. It isn’t. What is presented widely are numbers and warnings that scare and frighten us, and we are now being conditioned to a lot of panic and speculation. But part of the reason we are getting conditioned to a lot of panic is because of the wide range of speculation about other numbers we accept as our new fright-inducing reality, an increasingly confusing and frenzied set of numbers. And the normalization of our panic is having dire consequences and augurs for even worse. The 81 year old who died in Barbados had underlying conditions…(Barbados has 278 000 pop USA has 331 million pop) The government reassured that the 48 ventilators that are currently available “appear to be more than enough with only three of the country’s 56 COVID-19 patients in need of ventilators.” Who is trained to use and take care of ventilators in Barbados? Barbados Health Minister stated that ventilators purchased by @rihanna were seized in US; (Correction was subsequently issued indicating the exportation of 20 ventilators stopped in the US were stopped were not of Rihanna’s order but of another philanthropic order) STOP THE FAKE NEWS

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  • Silly Woman
    April 6, 2020 6:45 PM

    @John April 6, 2020 2:04 AM “I lost a cousin who I had never met just heard of in New York to the virus.”
    Sorry to hear of the death of your new York cousin.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Thanks

    I would have liked to have met him.

    Sounds like he was a character.

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  • My lips are sealed
    Have a bless night everybody

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @Crusoe, you said above that “There are some peculiar things happening, I say this because I see the strange things going on that should make no sense, in normal circumstances….”

    One of those strange things were sexecs in upermarkets and other retailers in US (and elsewhere) not wanting their staff to wear masks n gloves initially… they too were at the frontline of possibly dealing with asymptomatic and sick people daily and it was incomprehensible that execs were so absurd…(and let it be CLEAR from early March I pushed this in other fora)..

    …now a number of supermarkets staffers are succumbing to COVID19 in US.

    .Early may have helped…or not…or they could have picked up the virus outside their work environment but the point is that many of these workers were senselessly exposed and should have been better protected !

    When we talk about absolutely strange actions and commentary from execs in coporate and govt circles this becomes extremely distressing and vexatious!

    We wish PM Johnson well as the COVID19 works through his personal neighborhood of the Brit community…may he have a speedy recovery and get back to being more aggresively proactive.

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  • @Mariposa April 6, 2020 6:25 AM “Sometimes i shudder at how some…minds work like a robotic engine that is only programmed to do as it was designed”

    This describes exactly how your mind works.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    Execs in supermarkets …correction

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  • ALL THE NURSES AND DOCTORS IN BARBADOS DEALING WITH VIRUS PATIENTS NEED TO BE TESTED ASAP.

    JUST GOT WORD 29 DOCTORS AND NURSES AT A VA HOSPITAL IN BOSTON FELL ILL OVER THE LAST 2 WEEKS.

    3 DEATHS AND 4 IN CRITICAL SITUATION.

    MANY MORE HAVE FALLEN ACROSS THE US.

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  • @peterlawrencethompson April 6, 2020 7:19 AM “The people who did not quarantine themselves behaved like selfish assholes. Why do you need the government to provide you with commonsense?”

    Maybe not selfish assholes. Maybe just not as well educated as you are. Quite a number of people who migrated to the U.K. 50 years ago had only an elementary school education, and went straight to work as laborers, factory workers, transportation and postal workers, etc.

    Not all of us had the good fortune to be a HC scholarship winning son of a physician.

    Most of our families in the 1950’s were not anywhere near there.

    Do not be too hard on these people. I suspect that they just did not know any better.

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  • @John April 6, 2020 8:33 AM “What is the recommended social distancing when around tigers?”

    ! centimeter.

    Goodbye.

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  • Silly has a point… they were socially engineered to believe in fairytales of the UK variety, many of them went to their graves not knowing anywhere as much as we do, they are still a lot of them left, but this disease will take many.

    “I hope Afrikan Blood sell outs leaders remember the whole generation of Afrikan Blood innocent children Who either died or were left crippled permanently from European neo colonial medicine and vaccinations experimentations during the 1960 to 1980 and beyond ….
    #EndAfricanExperimentation
    #WereNotGuineapigs

    Afrikan Blood Sister Truit”

    everywhere we have the same problem, too many black face sell out leaders.

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  • Wait, whatever became of the fowls, they were out in force all weekend, all of a sudden they all ran away this morning and done wih the cussing, so what is brewing now.

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  • Four critical/serious in Barbados.

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  • ” The Barbados Defence Force soldier who was shot has passed away.”

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  • It really don’t care who ya think ya are.

    “Mahmoud Jibril, who was Libya’s interim prime minister during the country’s uprising against longtime ruler Muammar Gaddafi, has died from coronavirus, officials announced.

    Jibril tested positive for COVID-19 three days after suffering a cardiac arrest and had been in and out of consciousness during his time in the intensive care unit, a hospital official told the news outlet.”

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  • @Te Watcher April 6, 2020 10:37 AM ” with what appears to be the exception of the Saudis, more affluent countries of the Middle East.”

    Saudi Arabia, 2605 cases, 38 deaths

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  • @Miller April 6, 2020 11:47 AM “Why not go and invade Cuba its backyard enemy since 1959?”

    Because Cuba is not now and has never been the enemy of the United States.

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  • @Hal Austin April 6, 2020 1:18 PM “By the way, when are we going to see the mathematical models done by UWI?”

    Heard a UWI person speaking about the mathematical models on Sunday Brass Tacks I think. About 20 deaths if we behave ourselves. About 200 if we don’t

    But here are perfectly good mathematical models from Johns Hopkins. So unless Bajans are made from some kind of different DNA, than the usual HUMAN DNA I bet that UWI’s mathematicl model looks just like this.
    https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

    Data for the U.K. specifically
    48,436 cases
    4,943 deaths
    10.2% of the U.K cases have died
    7.43 deaths per 100,000 population (that is everybody, sick or well)

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  • @WURA-War-on-U April 6, 2020 5:15 PM “Silly…don’t know if you met any of your relatives who survived the 1918 grippe espagnol….but Barbados had 190 deaths…that information should be made public, ”

    My sweet granny, was born in 1879 and died in 1969, so she was 39 in 1918, and I was almost an adult when she died, and we lived just 1/2 a mile apart during all of my childhood. But alas we never discussed sickness. She may never have been sick in her life. She continued doing paid agricultural work until she was past 80, and worked a piece of her own land, and did all of her own housekeeping. I don’t recall my father speaking of any illnesses she had either. She was very healthy, as was my father who lived even longer that she did. Never the less I am staying indoors, not tempting fate, and being really creative with the groceries which I have on hand.

    I tend to eat better when I am forced to be creative. Since March 12 I have eaten only my own cooking.

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  • Some may find the extract below of interest.

    Coronavirus can stay on plastic for 72 hours and why keeping two metres apart might not be enough: What scientists have learned about the deadly bug during pandemic
    Three months ago, most of us had never heard of the Covid-19 coronavirus
    Now, there are more than a million people infected around the world
    Our scientific understanding of the virus is advancing at a remarkable pace
    By FIONA MACRAE FOR THE DAILY MAIL

    PUBLISHED: 22:40 BST, 6 April 2020 | UPDATED: 00:04 BST, 7 April 2020

    WHY THE TWO-METRE RULE MAY NOT BE ENOUGH

    Social distancing guidance is to keep two metres away from people we don’t live with. This rule is thought to be based on experiments from the 1930s that suggested droplets released from coughs and sneezes can travel between one and two metres.

    But this understanding may be outdated. In an experiment to be shown this week, led by the Health and Safety Executive, a cough from a medical manikin called Violet provides a graphic illustration of just how easily and how far coronavirus particles can spread.

    In the demonstration, Violet coughs up a liquid laced with a dye that shows up under ultraviolet light. The dye is meant to reveal how droplets containing coronavirus particles are propelled through the air when we cough.

    ‘You see thousands of droplets coming out of Violet’s mouth, with some reaching the ceiling and the far wall, which is at least two metres away,’ says Dr Guddi Singh, a paediatrician in London who expects to be redeployed to the adult intensive care unit at any moment.

    ‘Some of these droplets land on my hand, even though I am not in the direct line of the cough. If these droplets contained the virus, I would be infected. It is incredibly contagious.

    ‘The experiment shows me why we need social distancing of at least two metres,’ she says. ‘But even at that, you are just on the fringe of where the spread could be happening.’

    Indeed, new research published in the Journal of the American Medical Association suggests that two metres may not be nearly far enough; that coronavirus particles can be propelled up to eight metres by sneezes and six metres by coughs.

    Some experts suggest that the larger droplets in saliva and mucus — the ones believed to carry Covid-19 — will fall safely to the ground within two metres. However, the U.S. researchers said their experiment calls into question our understanding of what a safe distance might be to protect ourselves from coronavirus infection.

    Another report even suggests we may have more than coughs and sneezes to worry about. The prestigious National Academy of Sciences in the U.S. recently warned that the virus may also be spread by the fine mist we produce when we talk and breathe. One study suggests this can spread genetic material from the coronavirus more than two metres away from patients. This raises the possibility that the virus can linger in the air and potentially infect someone who walks by later.

    All this research has prompted the World Health Organisation (WHO) to start a review of its advice on the use of face masks.

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  • Wily Coyote
    April 6, 2020 9:55 AM

    Hal Austin April 6, 2020 8:27 AM
    “Why is the US amassing troops around Venezuela,”
    If I’ve read news and video reports correctly FANCE & BRITIAN also have Navy vessels making up the congregation in the area, hummmmm. Not good timing for any kind of military confrontation in this time of COVID 19. Not much info showing up an Google so do not know at this time if reports are creditable.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    All they need to do is send a few cruise ships and the Venezuelan navy will self destruct!!

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/03/americas/venezuela-navy-cruise-liner-incident-intl/index.html

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  • The virus is hardly spreading in Barbados. Soon almost all those infected will be in perfect health again.

    Already in May we will be full of tourists from UK and USA. I am already looking forward to the many tourists from the cruise ships.

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  • Silly Woman
    April 6, 2020 9:22 PM

    I would be very careful with the models. Accurate models rely on a wide spread and depth of sound data. This virus is only four months into recognised life cycle. Actual life cycle is possibly longer, if reports are to be believed. But tracked data is only for a few months.

    The second point is that virus load, a term I use as a layperson, but I think the reader should understand to what I refer, is clearly a major factor. This I say, due to the number of doctors and nurses internationally who have succumbed to the virus, either infection, recover or actually died.

    Even Ebola, with proper protection did not claim so many doctors, did it?

    This indicates that repeated and strong exposure is highly risky. Similarly, in dense areas of close human contact, such as New York and care homes, the virus load would be heavier, surely? This explains the serious situation in New York.

    Due to this, I would be very cautious about underestimating the potential impact on Barbados at this stage. I have seen reports on social media, of some saying that they have had symptoms corresponding to this virus, many having seen the doctor or attending the hospital.

    Probably the virus has been here a few months, very likely considering the travel industry and the volume of passengers traversing here between November and February. After all, the official word is that more than half of the people who get it will have only mild to moderate symptoms.

    At this point any statement on predicted illness or death is a bold one, no one has a handle on this virus as yet.

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  • @ Crusoe April 7, 2020 12:19 AM

    “The second point is that virus load, a term I use as a layperson,”

    You have used the correct scientific term. Normally the term used is microbial load when referring to microbes in general. In this case since one is dealing specifically with a virus one can use viral load. The viral load refers to the number of viral particles present in a known amount/volume. It maybe one million/mL(milli-liter). The greater the number of particles, the greater the inoculation potential..

    A well reasoned post.

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  • Thanks TheOgazerts

    What the links do is to challenge Peter’s recommendation to do mass testing. The logistics seem impossible from the NJ experience so far.

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  • We must be grateful to the Cubans for sending 100 nurses (I thought there were also doctors) to help us out in a time of need. But have you seen the group of Cuban nurses visiting the Cubana monument today.
    What happened to social distance, especially after the theatre of health checks at the airport? And what has that to do with Commissiong? The man is a political fraud and should be removed from public office. There may even be a case against him for flouting the lockdown regulations.
    That assembly was irresponsible, reckless and highly dangerous, putting public health at risk. This government has lost control of the management of the crisis. Who gave permission for that march?

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  • rueben, you also had to be healthy before, but if you had diabetes, asthma or cancer, or any illness that weaken your ammune system you wouldve be more ill or die. Some people have the virus but their bodies fight it off. Take your vitamin c people, not a lot though, in moderation.

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  • The DOCTORS and NURSES and other frontline workers deserve ULTIMATE praise for saving this scottish man’s life, they are the ones risking their lives every minute of every day. All over the world governments are working hard to get supplies to fight the virus, all are trying their best, none are doing any more than the other…it is a damn pandemic, stop pimping for personal and individual praise, ya are not doing anymore than anyone else…

    Since last week this man gave an interview to a british paper about the level of care he got at the Army facility…they will not be able to save everyone, but they are trying..

    “As for the dedication and compassion from the medical and nursing staff at Paragon, they have gone above and beyond the call of duty and this island should be very, very proud of their selflessness and fearlessness.” (MB).”

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  • The nation pimp newspaper now need to interview the other 5 people who were released and get their take on how their treatement for the virus went at the quarantine facilities….the scottish patient was not the only one released..

    stop being tacky and unprofessional…you do not only interview the tourism potential, how dumb is that..

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  • “This government has lost control of the management of the crisis.”

    but they are still trying to big up themselves as though they are doing more than any other government in the world who is ALSO battling the virus and they are using their useless government pimp newspaper to do it….they are so low crawling they don’t know when to stop, they are not team players, were not socialized that way, that is why they are getting everything wrong as it relates to how they are caring FOR THEIR OWN PEOPLE in the midst of a pandemic…

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  • “She was very healthy, as was my father who lived even longer that she did. Never the less I am staying indoors, not tempting fate, and being really creative with the groceries which I have on hand.

    I tend to eat better when I am forced to be creative. Since March 12 I have eaten only my own cooking.”

    Best thing you can do for YOU AND YOURS..

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  • The COVID-19 experience of 2 passengers on Diamond Princess in Japan.

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  • Expect local media to be the backbone of govt propaganda as more deaths increase and people become infected

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  • We will see many changes going forward, Prince Donald knows when to do what is necessary…..as many of us are understanding, this is a WAR being fought on several fronts, Covid is only one, when ya see the cousin in the palace dressed down in BATTLE GREEN for her speech, ya done know it is on.

    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-trump-labels-white-supremacist-group-as-terrorists-for-first-time-20200407-h2fbfmkgx5f4jelmndrnspho5y-story.html

    “A white supremacist group known as the Russian Imperial Movement was designated as a global terrorist organization by the U.S. State Department on Monday, marking the first time that the government has applied the label to a white-supremacist organization.

    The Russian Imperial Movement, or RIM, operates a pair of facilities in St. Petersburg that offer paramilitary training to neo-Nazis and white supremacists, according to Nathan A. Sales, the State Department’s counterterrorism coordinator. RIM’s recruiting efforts focus specifically on Europeans, but they’ve also reportedly brought in Americans, too.

    This move from the Trump administration will extend sanctions against RIM, targeting three of its leaders and giving the Treasury Department the authority to freeze any of their assets coming through the U.S. financial system. It will also allow Homeland Security to deny U.S. entry to people with ties to RIM.”

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  • https://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/244864/bajans-die-ny-covid-19

    Very unfortunate…but FRONTLINE WORKERS can only try their very best, with what they have to work with…the enemy is real, invisible, but extremely deadly.

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  • More the reason for the PIMP NEWSPAPER…to interview the other Corona patients who have RECOVERED and who are mostly LOCALS…so that the general population will know EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE DEALING WITH…

    this is how you interview survivors…not for the tourism value or to promote useless politicians.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8195085/Coronavirus-survivors-Boris-Johnson-message-hope-Prime-Minister-taken-intensive-care.html

    “Two men who have survived the coronavirus infection and spent time on intensive care wards have shared their experience of fighting the disease as Boris Johnson battles the killer infection in hospital.

    Matt Dockray, 39, described the illness as ‘the most horrible experience you will go through,’ when he appeared on Good Morning Britain on Tuesday.

    The father-of-one said: ‘It’s a horrible, horrible experience. You’re very lonely. You don’t have any friends or family there so you don’t have that emotional, personal support you rely on in your hardest times.’

    Choosing to offer a message of hope, father-of-two Andrew Hodge said: ‘I want people to realise they can survive this’.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @David, you are touting unproven remedies from the Jamaican bro of the garlic, tumeric and ginger 😂😏.

    Great that he recovered but has CDC tested this clinically !

    But seriously, I have one nephew and three cousins who also used it to their own anecdotal success… the latter a family had ALL tested positive; the nephew hadn’t but worked in health care so could have been…

    All that to say, that jokes aside, these homeopathic remedies do do their thing … BUT… will not work for everyone of course!

    I would like to hear HOW the bro prepared HIS compound… Will check to see if provides that detail.

    Health Stores must be doing a roaring business… They are considered “essential” and can open I presume.

    I gone.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @David, I will review the links to which you refer but based on awareness generally of NJ I don’t fully agree that the Covid19 spread in that state necessarily challenges @PLT’s strong stance on aggressive testing.

    We have gone over this repeatedly but simply stated the vastness on any state or country itself should and cannot be a barrier to tests per se (assuming availability of kits).

    Washington state is much more vast a spread than NJ so too some place like Wyoming or Georgia for that matter.

    One of the major issues for a place like NJ of course is that thousands of its residents work in NY… So they were commuting from that hot spot back to the garden communities .

    In very brief summary places like NJ and Long Island or Westchester county north of NYC (other communities whose residents often work in NYC) are still comprised of clusters of towns … Some very active and populace some small and more self contained.

    A testing regimen organized to suit your town dynamics can be still very effective…

    The evidence of this style testing was seen in the New Rochelle, NY episode. A perfect example of managing an issue in a large metropolis on a singular town/community basis

    I gone.

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  • @ Silly Woman April 6, 2020 9:02 PM
    “@Miller April 6, 2020 11:47 AM “Why not go and invade Cuba its backyard enemy since 1959?”
    Because Cuba is not now and has never been the enemy of the United States.”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Guess yours is a mere ‘tongue-in-cheek’ response, right?

    Should it be rephrased to imply that America is Cuba’s enemy still camping in Bastita’s former front house at Guantanamo Bay?

    How else would you explain the Bay of Pigs invasion or the trade and other embargoes still in place against Cuba as if its name has changed to Iran while communist and dictatorial China and Russia can freely attract investment from American capitalists once those on the capitol hill can get their election campaigning contributions?

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  • Mariposa
    April 7, 2020 7:25 AM

    Expect local media to be the backbone of govt propaganda as more deaths increase and people become infected

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Why you wishing ill on your fellow Barbadians?

    This is a problem we collectively face.

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  • https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8196123/Swedens-coronavirus-death-toll-jumps-100.html

    A prime example of what happens when ya take a laid back attitude to a disease that is killing tens of thousands everywhere…am sure the Swedes will now get with the program since US’ death toll is now a horrible 11,000 people.

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  • peterlawrencethompson

    @TLSNApril 6, 2020 7:03 PM
    “… was it necessary at this particular time to insert the infamous quote made by Boris a couple of weeks ago?”
    ++++++++++++++++++
    Yes, I find it necessary to remind people of his character.

    Boris Johnson knows is that no matter how much suffering he causes in the world, later on, when he gets old or sick or dies, so many people will say “Awww, but he’s just a human being, a father/mother etc.” and all the evil he has done is swept under the carpet.

    Not me. I don’t forgive or forget. I will not mourn the lying psychopath for whom the suffering of so many was acceptable.

    Until he got it, Boris thought COVID-19 was a problem for people older and poorer than himself, that other people would have to suffer their loved ones “dying before their time” as they took their “last gasp” while the nation “took it on the chin.”

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  • @Crusoe April 7, 2020 12:19 AM

    All true.

    But Johns Hopkins is a reliable medical school, and their modelling is the best available to lay people, that i have seen so far.

    But you are right. It is still early days, and we won’t know all of the details until this is over and retrospective studies have been published.

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  • An insert

    What has govt allowed Massy to close pharmacies without alternatives for Massy to provide such an essential service for the people
    God can some body have a heart for people especially the elderly
    I guess there is always miraculous bush the people can used

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  • An insert

    Why has govt allowed Massy to close pharmacies without alternatives for Massy to provide such an essential service for the people
    God can some body have a heart for people especially the elderly
    I guess there is always miraculous bush the people can used

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  • @PLT

    Not me. I don’t forgive or forget. I will not mourn the lying psychopath for whom the suffering of so many was acceptable….(Quote)

    Is it me or are you getting angrier. It is not the @PLT I thought I knew. You must give leadership to the blog, dear boy.

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  • peterlawrencethompsonApril 7, 2020 10:41 AM

    Yes, I find it necessary to remind people of his character.

    Boris Johnson knows is that no matter how much suffering he causes in the world, later on, when he gets old or sick or dies, so many people will say “Awww, but he’s just a human being, a father/mother etc.” and all the evil he has done is swept under the carpet.

    Not me. I don’t forgive or forget. I will not mourn the lying psychopath for whom the suffering of so many was acceptable.

    Until he got it, Boris thought COVID-19 was a problem for people older and poorer than himself, that other people would have to suffer their loved ones “dying before their time” as they took their “last gasp” while the nation “took it on the chin.”
    Xxccccxxcccccccccccccccc
    Well said

    But insert the names of all the leaders of the world who because of greed sat idly back said nothing as the environment was placed under the attack
    My mind daily is fixated on world leaders (now) asking the poor the elderly children and all humans now living on the planet to make unbearable sacrifices to save their lives and world economies
    My pray is that God would in his way remove these wicked leaders off this God given place called Earth
    Deep down in my mind if these people remain in high places the next time around earth as we once knew it would be totally destroyed
    These leaders are not fit for purpose

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  • Minister Santia Bradshaw speaking now, New rules, but subsequent review possible

    Supermarkets open Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.

    Orders by phone or online.

    Curbside pickups at specific times

    Or home deliveries

    Orders maybe delayed because there is already a backlog of orders.

    Ready made baskets in values of $25 to $150 can be picked up curbside at some supermarkets

    The pork place is open.

    The egg and chicken farmers remain open.

    Village shops will be restocked.

    I am sure that David and other media will post the full speech

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  • Incompetence, incompetence. How many different regimes have we have over the last two weeks? Even now it is shambolic.

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  • @peterlawrencethompson April 7, 2020 10:41 AM “took it on the chin.”

    And tobesides, I doubt very much that Boris has ever taken anything on the chin in the whole of his fat pampered life.

    Damn condesending ricj people always thinking that they can tell poor people how to live.

    And some of those rich people can’t even look after themselves for a week without their domestic helpers.

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  • For those not aware of the remedies their ancestors used and are proven, in December there was maybe a milder variation of the same virus going around in the form of the flu, myself and others woke up at 2 o’clock in the morning WITH CHEST INFECTIONS..just like that…..what got us better was the same tumeric, ginger and other well known herbal remedies..

    .. even when one person repeated the infection, same remedies helped them recover…those herbs have been used for thousands of years, big pharma is a most recent greedy construct that has mostly succeeded in doing more harm than good..

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  • @Hal Austin April 7, 2020 11:18 AM “Incompetence, incompetence. How many different regimes have we have over the last two weeks? Even now it is shambolic.”

    Not we Hal.

    You are not here.

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  • Silly….apparently cousin Boris has a history of childhood pneumonia and should have known better than to be playing superman to a deadly plague, he definitely should not have been working and putting up this stiff upper lip. People who have histories of ailments need to take better care with this disease.

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  • @Miller April 7, 2020 10:01 AM “Should it be rephrased to imply that America is Cuba’s enemy still camping in Bastita’s former front house at Guantanamo Bay?”

    Yup.

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  • We have a future prime minister in Santia. She is intelligent, sophisticated, and articulate. No three-hour long unintelligent waffle with hands all over the place. Cometh the moment, cometh the woman.

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  • Santia has had a medical procedure and she came clean with the public. A woman of dignity who knows her public responsibility.

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  • The Prime Minister has said publicly that she had a major female gyneological procedure. She is 54 so it is unlikely that she gave birth or had a C-section.

    I am sure that you have or have had grandmother, mother, girlfriend, aunt, wife, ex-wife, sister, daughter, granddaughter.

    How many kinds of gyneological procedures can surgeons do on females?

    In Barbados when people try to malicious-up in our business, we tell them.

    Ya mudda!

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  • I take note that Jamaica has 59 cases 3 deaths
    I also take note that govt response to contact tracing of the three people being infected govt has been less than transparent in giving relevant info as to if these people are visitors or if they are nationals
    As to Jamaica total in relation to pop. It is small in comparison to their population size when compared to barbados population and the rate of deaths now accounted via govt info

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  • peterlawrencethompson

    @Silly Woman April 7, 2020 10:46 AM
    Johns Hopkins is a reliable medical school, and their modelling is the best available to lay people
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    Johns Hopkins provides a dashboard for following the COVID-19 pandemic, but that is not disease modelling. The dashboard keeps you up to date about what has happened in the past, but a disease model predicts what is going to happen in the future. Modelling is difficult because small differences in initial assumptions or parameters will make dramatic differences to the prediction. The following article is a good explanation.
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-its-so-freaking-hard-to-make-a-good-covid-19-model/

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  • Have you noticed that Jamaica might have done less tests as well?

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  • NO WATER = LIFE OR DEATH for those who cannot access the lifesaving necessity…it is not just a YEARS and YEARS old convenience….particularly during a pandemic

    As long as they get it in their heads that they are not better off than anyone, each island and country is in the same boat, some have more deaths, some have less deaths, some have more infections, some have less infections…but all are suffering the same anxiety regarding their health and safety…..and that of their populations…

    it is elementary..

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  • Ya see how UNGRATEFUL Fowl Enuff is, i may not agree with everyone all the time but you give credit where it is due, without this help ya won’t be able to fight the plague as ya are now able to, ya keep promoting ya small island crooks who are too greedy to give back what they stole from the people over the decades, but have set up a Beggars Charity to TAKE EVEN MORE FROM THE PEOPLE…

    “#ICYMI: The United States has quickly mobilized US$6 million to provide test kits to Barbados and more than 60 other countries to fight the spread of COVID-19.

    This emergency assistance is part of an International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) response to requests for support in controlling an increasing number of infections worldwide.

    The United States has quickly mobilized US$6 million to provide test kits to Barbados and more than 60 other countries to fight the spread of COVID-19. Each test kit contains supplies for 2,000 testing samples, including non-consumable equipment that can be used to conduct additional testing. This emergency assistance is part of an International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) response to requests for support in controlling an increasing number of infections worldwide.

    The IAEA’s role in combatting COVID-19 stems from its expertise and experience in detecting outbreaks of certain viral diseases and in using nuclear-derived techniques in diagnosing them. One such technique is Real-Time Reverse Transcription Polymerase Chain Reaction (RT-PCR), which makes it possible to identify the COVID-19 virus within hours.”

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  • peterlawrencethompson

    WURA-War-on-U April 7, 2020 12:31 PM
    “This emergency assistance is part of an International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) response to requests for support in controlling an increasing number of infections worldwide.”
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    We urgently need U.S. Ambassador to Barbados Linda Taglialatela to tell us how many testing kits Barbados will receive and when they will arrive on our shores.

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  • US$6 Million from United States Helps Fund 2,000 COVID-19 Tests for Barbados

    Home | News & Events | US$6 Million from United States Helps Fund 2,000 COVID-19 Tests for Barbados

    The United States has quickly mobilized US$6 million to provide test kits to Barbados and more than 60 other countries to fight the spread of COVID-19. Each test kit contains supplies for 2,000 testing samples, including non-consumable equipment that can be used to conduct additional testing. This emergency assistance is part of an International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) response to requests for support in controlling an increasing number of infections worldwide.

    The IAEA’s role in combatting COVID-19 stems from its expertise and experience in detecting outbreaks of certain viral diseases and in using nuclear-derived techniques in diagnosing them. One such technique is Real-Time Reverse Transcription Polymerase Chain Reaction (RT-PCR), which makes it possible to identify the COVID-19 virus within hours.

    IAEA member states have so far announced more than US$10 million in financial contributions to emergency IAEA COVID-19 assistance, including US$6 million from the United States. It is part of a multi-national IAEA effort to provide dozens of laboratories in the Caribbean, Africa, Asia, Europe, and Latin America with diagnostic machines, reagents, and laboratory consumables to speed up national testing, which is crucial in containing the outbreak. Countries will also receive biosafety supplies, such as personal protection equipment and laboratory cabinets for the safe analysis of collected samples.

    “These testing kits are just one example of how the United States is deploying the full range of resources to prevent the spread of COVID-19 both within our own country and across the globe”, said U.S. Ambassador to Barbados Linda Taglialatela. “This is a challenge without precedent in our lifetime, but we are committed to fighting it together.”

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  • Am sure now that they have made the assistance of testing kits this public, they will share the information quite soon.

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  • So how many on line food baskets i have to choose from and how many can i buy
    And who decides what is put in the baskets
    So i call and the baskets have nothing that i want
    Or is told that they are out of baskets
    Or is told that what i want is not in stock
    Or better yet after holding on the phone for 1 hour nothing in the basket is of interest to me
    Can some body tells govt that is not call shopping but a prescribed glorified communist policy called rationing

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  • Btw was there any concern given to Massy Pharmacies closures

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  • Sometimes it’s better to shut your mouth about certain things. Apparently this one took great liberty to claim that the plague was a divine punishment for sins and he targeted homosexuals…

    “Israel’s Health Minister’s office on Wednesday announced that the health minister and his wife have tested positive for the novel coronavirus. Yaakov Litzman, 71, and his wife Chaava Litzman were diagnosed with COVID-19 and were in good health. They were following the coronavirus guidelines and were in isolation.”

    PLT…am sure if the test kits from US does not arrive on the island in a timely manner Fowl Enuff will jump out to gloat and preen.

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  • mari

    All you need is gr”ass”

    no need for you to shop

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  • The idiocy of this 26 member cabinet is beyond ridiculous

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  • The idiocy of this 26 member cabinet is beyond ridiculous {Quote}

    What out for the REAL village idiot coming out now.

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  • Watch out for the blp foot soldiers lining up to attack mariposa
    Instead of govt idiotic policies

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  • First of all I agree with Dr Bob Lucas that the curfew should be extended.
    There is absolutely no sign that our case in Barbados is following any of the existing models of Covid 19 epidemics. Indeed, the Ministry of Health team says that there is no evidence of community spread so far, so if our contact searches have been thorough, there is currently no rational basis for estimating or calculating numbers of possible deaths from the evidence available so far.

    The US Covid 19 Task force team (Dr Fauci, Dr Birx, etc.), a couple of weeks ago, indicated that they were using a number of models for their projections, foremost amongst which was the Imperial College model that suggested that the number of deaths in the US would lie between 100,000 and 240,000 but which also suggested that the minimal enforced social distancing period should be 5 months. The month or so that the US is now using is not based on science and appears to have been predominantly informed by Politics rather than Science and could not help but be extended since it appears to have been inadequate from the get-go and took little account of the multitude of unfolding epidemics throughout the states that are not necessarily in concert with the big ones in the NY area etc..

    Barbados is a very small country and therefore should have been amenable to standard modelling if an adequate number of surveillance tests were available to estimate the spread of the virus on an ongoing basis. This is currently not so.
    We have been following the US lead in all aspects of the management of their outbreaks without recognizing that there are significant differences between us that might invalidate our apish following of the US example. E.g The US made a half hearted attempt to involve the use of masks by the general public. We followed! But the science has shown that Masks work to reduce the spread of the disease. I read somewhere where a Covid 19 infected patient, well masked up, travelled on a 7 hour flight. He coughed all the way and it was expected that many of the other passengers would be infected. But not one tested positive after the flight. The disease was not spread to any of the other passengers who were not masked. Read the reports about the use of masks by the public.

    The utility of masking in reducing spread has been clearly demonstrated. We should be doing all we can to encourage and then, when possible, mandate their use by the general public. We should be following the Trinidad example. Actually Barbados might well be able to access funding for a big study of the utility or otherwise of using masks by the general public as part of the means for reducing the spread of the virus from infected individuals to susceptible ones.

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  • U.S. Eyes Second Coronavirus Outbreak in China

    As the Trump administration scrambles to get a hand on the spread of the new coronavirus across the U.S., it is keeping one eye on developments in China, the country where the pandemic originated.

    According to two officials with knowledge of those efforts and cables reviewed by The Daily Beast, the administration is monitoring China’s second wave of coronavirus cases, gathering data on the ground on the number of individuals newly infected and the reasons for the recent uptick. Over the past few days Chinese officials have noted an emergence of new cases, particularly in asymptomatic individuals.

    The White House is leaning on officials from across several agencies, including the State Department, Centers for Disease Control and the intel community to probe how Beijing is handling the new cases so as to better understand what the U.S. could expect later this year, when medical officials believe a second round of infections may happen as well.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/leaked-cable-u-eyes-second-084442461.html

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  • I don’t know why Bostic said this and then retracted, still cannot get any facts. All i know is the government still continues to promote a bunch of wannbe massas on the island IN FRONT OF THEIR OWN PEOPLE WHO FUND THE ISLAND…..whose only claim to fame these wannabe massas is robbing the people and keep them generationally stagnated and without any progress, growth, wealth or generational opportunities, need some facts on why this is still going on and GIDDILY perpetrated by the leaders..

    https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-us-accused-of-diverting-medical-equipment-from-countries-2020-4?fbclid=IwAR3_QLcBOGrj4TuDBdO6vO71Pcs8f71okD23TV–TqoJyMox3MJEQhVt0ZI

    “Barbados Minister of Health and Wellness, Lieutenant Col Jeffrey Bostic said in a press conference on Sunday: “They [the ventilators] were seized in the United States. Paid for, but seized, so we are trying to see exactly what is going to transpire there.”

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  • The move by government to try and half open the supermarkets will prove a waste of time by tomorrow evening. This will prove to be a waste of time based solely on logistics. Again one can expect chaos and confusion here once more.

    Stop and ask yourself a few basic questions about any one of the participating outlets. Let’s call the outlet letter A.

    How many phone lines does outlet A have?

    How many persons can answer calls and take orders in an hour say based on availability of said phone lines?

    How many delivery vans does outlet A have?

    How many printers to print orders does outlet A have and how many pickers and packers to prepare them?

    The above are just a few logistical questions now let’s move on to load.

    Let’s say outlet A has 10 cashiers normally, how many items can they check in an hour? Well If we assume that a cashier can check a customer a minute with each customer having 40 items, then the load will be as follows.

    Result 10×60×40= 24000 items!

    So how many boxes will it take to pack, people to process and persons to deliver with vans this volume?

    Answer is more than any of them got.

    Then you are proposing pre packed baskets of varying values. So if the bask has in 20 items and I only want 15 I must buy the 20 anyhow? Again totally flawed logic.

    Anyhow being the only country in the developed world to close supermarkets and obstruct access to food, I guess they will find out for themselves by 4 pm tomorrow. All because we refuse to open the supermarkets and ENFORCE the personal space requirement using the defence and police force.

    Also I keep hearing they are no records of community transmissions, so if this is true then what is the reason for closing the supermarkets to begin with?

    I mean I is only a one door shopkeeper in St Philip who went to school at Bromley so help me understand the logic someone.

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  • Jesus take the wheel

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  • The move by government to try and half open the supermarkets will prove a waste of time by tomorrow evening. This will prove to be a waste of time based solely on logistics. Again one can expect chaos and confusion here once more.

    Also I keep hearing they are no records of community transmissions, so if this is true then what is the reason for closing the supermarkets to begin with?

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    THEY DON’T HAVE A CLUE,

    IN MY NECK OF THE WOODS SUPERMARKETS, LAUNDROMATS, LIQUOR STORES AND PHARMACIES ARE STILL OPEN FOR BUSINESS AS USUAL.

    CITY OF ALMOST 2 Million

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  • Today’s press conference by Santia has catapulted her in to the leadership of the government, if the president (and |I hope not) falls under the proverbial bus.
    She has shown spectacularly that she is head and shoulders above the bumbling attorney general and Kerrie Symmonds, and in both cases she shown more emotional intelligence.
    She is sophisticated, a rare quality in Barbadian politics, and has the right level of confidence, the right side of arrogance. Clearly since her first press conference as acting PM, she has had some training and it has worked. She is the future of the BLP.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @Mari you may be quite accurate that “The idiocy of this 26 member cabinet is beyond ridiculous”… but you were also spot on correct when you OBVIOUSLY were thinking of yourself when you wrote:

    “Makes for wonder how long has he been sitting in wait trying to find something any thing which he can used as political fodder against the PM.”

    Although your critique of the govt’s logistical handling of our COVID response has some merit …. in order just to be critical you then veer into some ridiculous nonsense.

    What for example does Massy’s online order process or any other vendor have to do with govt’s push to reduce contact by the use of internet commerce?

    To cite as you did the specifics of online baskets and inventory choices or lack was ridiculous.

    Would you prefer someone to be walking around the aisle of a supermarket and be conveniently exposed to a life threatenting illness or to be incoveniently on hold over the the phone in their own home.

    Just saying, bro! But that was a load of absolutely ish (communist policy of ratioining WHAT STUPIDNESS)… critique for its sake … just pure nonsense.

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  • that there is no evidence of community transmissions so far is good. doesn’t mean there is none. on the whole prevention is better.

    keep them closed for the two weeks. no one will die of starvation. Can open up more according to how the 2 weeks go.

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  • Just waiting for the next cockup, at least the people know they have to plant their own food and give backward governments the middle finger, the poor already know how to survive.

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  • @Baje

    I will bet you when the supermarkets closed their doors on Friday evening they were thousands of Bajans who didn’t get in one. Where you think they heading first thing tomorrow morning?

    All this approach will do is create more chaos and panic buying over the next 2 days. It is clear the decision makers and those advising them have no concept of logistics what so ever.

    Remember the amount of 24,000 items sold at Supermarket A was only an hour’s worth of sales! Now multiply that by say 6 hours of trade for that one supermarket and then multiply that by all the supermarkets that will be answering phones and writing orders. Total and complete madness by those who suggested it and those who implemented it!

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  • Dribbler did u listen to the press conference
    The govt said that three variety of baskets would be pre-prepared for the online orders from which customers can choose
    Now pray tell how easy would it be for me as a shopper when placing the order to accurately decided which basket is appropriate for my needs
    As a shopper i want an up and close look of my purchases not a prescribed prepkg basket of what some cashier belive is best for me
    The idiocy of it all maybe after holding a phone for more than an hour to place an order the baskets might have what i already have in stock at my home or what i do not need so there goes one wasted hour then having to go on line at another store wait another hour and pray that luck gets me what i want
    Not only am i pisssed but that hour could have been divide up doing other important household chores than a wasted hour on a phone for nothing
    Only in barbados simplicity becomes a major stumbling block

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  • Let me say that poltically anyone can like or dislike what I say it really doesn’t matter to me.

    What they CAN’T however do is question the numbers and logistics I have outlined, or the questions I have asked.

    If wunna want to do something bring data to contest my figures. If I told you 1 major supermarket outlet sold roughly 1 million separate items on Friday what wunna would say?

    You have a demand that you can not fill in this hap hazard approach. The result will be panic buying when ever you open the supermarkets, until such time as the public feel comfortable they are open again fully and normalcy has returned. What this government is basically doing using this approach is rationing access to food. It’s that simply and no party faithful can argue otherwise.

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  • This may be of some help to those who somehow believe they are special.

    https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3078199/coronavirus-singapore-100-1000-infections-one-month?fbclid=IwAR1SwsIsb1-CgFO6a7vJYc1223E9TKnuHzoCeg0vOuVyLiE2PUIkm0Ko83E

    “What a difference a month can make. At the beginning of March, Singapore had just over 100 coronavirus infections and countries across the world looked to the Southeast Asian city state for inspiration. Its aggressive contact tracing, strict quarantine procedures and measured travel restrictions received praise, as did its world-leading testing rates (as of March 25 it had carried out 6,800 tests per million people, more than other ‘leaders’ such as South Korea at 6,500 and Taiwan, at 1,000).

    Indeed, if anything there may have been a touch of envy overseas at how this small but efficient country was managing to keep infections so low, even while keeping its schools and malls open and enjoying a semblance of normal life.”

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  • CLOSING FOR 2 WEEKS WAS A KNEE JERK REACTION.

    THIS VIRUS WILL BE WITH US FOR MANY MONTHS AS SHOWN BY CHINA WHO HAS BEEN BATTLING SINCE JANUARY WITH NO REAL END IN SIGHT.

    NOW IS THE TIME TO PLANT ALL AVAILABLE AGRICULTURE LAND WITH FOOD AND NOT MARIJUANA/WEED AS THESE NO VISION POLITICIANS HAS BEEN HELL BENT ON DOING TO BENEFIT A FEW AND NOT THE MASSES.

    TOURISM IS NOT COMING BACK FOR QUITE A WHILE AS NEWS IS GLOBAL AND MOST PEOPLE LIVING IN DEVELOPED WORLD HAS ACCESS TO IT 24/7 AND WILL AVOID UNNECESSARY TRAVELLING LIKE A PLAGUE IN THE NEXT 6 – 12 MONTHS AT LEAST.

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  • I agree we must put In place longer term workable options for the island. Whether it’s shop by age or surname. If we want people to settle and feel that there is a long term plan that will be adhered to, this is the only thing that will put the consumers mind at rest and avoid panic buying.

    If this is not done all other knee jerk reactions will have the same effect as food rationing had in world war 2, which was chaos whenever rations were released. You mean after all the free education nobody ain t figure that out yet? If you doubt that go back and study the prohibition and the removal of it.

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  • Now they are showing their true colors, treating the population like CAPTURED SLAVES like they and their fellow thieves have always done……

    ….they need to stagger the days and time but keep supermarkets open…

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @John A, In 1, re “Also I keep hearing they are no records of community transmissions”. Let’s put that to bed once and finally. That’s nonsense…and the govt knows it.

    Otherwise you are being overly harsh…..On 2, we CANNOT lambaste their policy to stay country wide open and now also ridicule their policy to shut up tight… clearly they have deeply studied their modelling and clearly understand the dire predicament the country now faces and HAVE to enforce distancing. So being “the only country in the developed world to close supermarkets” cannot now be their albatross.

    3They have given options of online at supts, small shops and to facilitate those with less disposable funds the pre-baskets of selected necessary items (one suspect’s bread, milk and other basics) at the $25 – $150 ranges.

    4.Yes there will teething tech problems because of this massive initial surge but goodness these guys (Massy surely) have been doing online commerce for a while now, they have been running other large scale online platforms as well so for the big guys this should be a perfect test of their supposed skills/competencies. They must fix their glitches quickly and scale up as needed as best as possible to meet the hurried demand…

    But again there will be issues if volumes greatly exceed capacity.

    You seem to be suggesting that this will be the ONLY shopping run allowed. That doesnt make sense to me although of course they only have those set dates… But based on exactly what transpires they Will surely have to push out a more days to accommodate the full needs…if that is shown.

    I have been harshly critical of this admin and make absolutely no excuses for calling out their initial buggling but at this point I will wait to criticize their attempts to execute this online commerce push.

    What I will say (in serious jest) that this is absolutely a major move to get us all online (aren’t taxes only now done electronically, for ex) and to tag us with a chip and make us all human automations in the internet-of-things life!

    All the chatter about NOTHING will be the same after covid, starts and ends right there!

    Criticize that …that’s the REAL scary part.

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  • a sneek look at the basket of groceries

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