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The Donville Inniss trial in the USA suffocated the local newsfeed in recent days and prevented the blogmaster – absent the noise – from sharing thoughts about other matters. Now that we have touchdown in the Inniss matter with the predictable verdict being returned, it is time.

Two images were posted in the Nation newspaper on the 12th and 18th of January 2020 which captured the attention of this blogmaster.

One image emblazoned on the Sunday’s front page of the 12 January 2020 showed the beaming countenance of Peter Wickham and Giancarlo with the caption – “Regional political consultant was formally married to his partner of the past ten years, Giancarlo Cardinale yesterday at the Hotel de Ville in Strasbourg, France …

Some will accuse the blogmaster of being homophobic after posting this blog. You are free to do so. Individuals are free to live lifes as they chose, once done within the boundary of the law. We live in a world where same sex unions are being given the ‘weight’ traditional marriages.  The beef this blogmaster has with the Nation Media House is the decision to insert the picture on the front page AND referring to the union as a marriage.

Barbadians are a people wedded to the traditional view that a marriage is ” established between two people of the opposite sex.” The Nation newspaper as the leading media outlet in the country has a duty to responsibly share information that accurately influence given the power of media to influence (manipulate) public opinion. After all we have the vulnerable in society to shepherd. Posting Wickhams so called marriage on the front page  brings into serious question the quality of decision-making at the Editor’s desk at Nation Publishing.

Peter Wickham Marriage

The second picture does not require an exercise in the prolix and can be explained in a few words – one must thrive to make the best decisions at all times Verla et al.

Verla De Peiza

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244 responses to “Peter and Verla in Focus”

  1. Donna Avatar
    Donna

    Ewart Archer,

    The culpability was the cover up by the Vatican. The priests that were found out were just moved around to continue their sexual abuse of young boys elsewhere. Even the current pope had a hard time doing the right thing.

  2. Ewart Archer Avatar
    Ewart Archer

    John A

    The wealth of the Catholic Church is tied up in famous art, buildings and other assets that are considered historical and cultural treasures that cannot be converted to cash.

    So the Church is hurting financially. Many of its American and European followers have left, and its growing membership in Latin America and Asia consists mostly of poor, needy people.

    Not a good situation.

  3. Miller Avatar
    Miller

    @ robert lucas January 18, 2020 7:29 PM

    Probably he fancies himself as playing the part of the hapless wo(e)man in the current relationship.

    But Robert, any case argued against same sex marriages is standing on rather weak moral grounds.

    If marriage is an institution based on LOVE between two people (according to the Church and Western societal values) why then can’t two women who love each other (to death doeth them part) get married in the eyes of the law? The same principle applies to two men.

    Marriage between a man and a woman is primarily a society’s (especially industrialized) construct of contracting-out the duty (especially financial) of rearing children to two people only.

    Would you agree that a man and a woman (like two lovebirds in a nest) who have children within a marriage should not be allowed to divorce until the children reach the age of majority?

  4. Donna Avatar
    Donna

    As for Wickham bullying callers, if anybody called into a programme I was moderating and suggested that I should be at home in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant i would behave worse than Peter Wickham. It was always obvious that it was personal for him. He was arguing for acceptance of who he is. Once heard a UWI lecturer argue the case just as passionately at a Codrington College lecture many years ago. I could tell that he was arguing for acceptance of who he was. When i spoke to a friend in that faculty I discovered that he had been the lover of the first known AIDS death in Barbados.

    .How many of us would not argue for acceptance of who we are? It is one of our deepest yearnings.

  5. John A Avatar
    John A

    @ Ewart Archer

    In case you want more data on the abuses, ler me update you with the latest data on what they had to pay out ONLY IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS. It going mean little more reading though.

    Anyhow we now going to an article in CNN on the 4.6.19 written by Daniel Burke, where it showed that the rate of abuse is actually increasing in the Catholic Church. This conclusion was based on the fact that they had to pay out $300M in settlements alone over the past 12 months!

    All that is before the statue of limitation adjustment in 2019. The first case of abuse I can find that went before the church publically admitted to was in 1985. Prior to that the cases were dealt with quietly and the abusers ” settled with” within the church.

    So don’t let me ever hear the catholic church talk about right or wrong, or same sex activity when they have a record that is worst than those they condemn.

  6. Silly Woman Avatar
    Silly Woman

    @Baje January 18, 2020 4:06 PM “a recognizable female got out and in a very deep voice called out my first name it was Mia Mottley then Opposition Leader.”

    Man you better off than me. You and our PM on first name terms.

    You could please ask her for a big pick for me?

    And you and John A, as the young people would say “de 2 ‘o wunna is something else”

    LOL

  7. John A Avatar
    John A

    @ Ewart Archer

    The value set on them in 2018 did not take into account those assets you speak of, as they could not confirm them. It was based solely on the tangible ones like property and assets that could be substantiated. Rumour of the artefacts and gold holding run in excess of $15 billion more many claim, but this can not be substantiated.

    I deal in data I am not a Koolaid drinker who believes what they are told. That church has much to answer for over the centuries and that is why the more liberal minded followers have left them and will continue to do so.

    You can hold to your Opinion as you are entitled to do. The hard facts however do not support it.

  8. Miller Avatar
    Miller

    @ Ewart Archer January 18, 2020 8:17 PM
    “Do you have any idea how busy the typical Catholic priest is? As a practical matter, there is no way he could balance the responsibilities of husband, father and priest without giving short shrift to his priestly functions.”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Same thing can be argued for priests working for other Christian denominations doing the “Opus Dei”.

    Even Imams are allowed to relieve their nocturnal urges with the help of women. Why not RC priests who had a hard day at the priory?

    Jesus had to be a feminist because he refused to allow those ‘high-society’ men who were ‘johns’ (regular customers) to stone the woman who was miraculously caught in an act of adultery while the eponymous man involved was not similarly charged.

    But you might be right about Jesus not being a feminist of the true kind.

    If he were a feminist he would have 6 female disciples to sleep with him in the garden of Gethsemane and not 12 hardback men.

    But we all know that this story is just a fable turned into a play, don’t you now?

  9. Silly Woman Avatar
    Silly Woman

    @ Ewart Archer January 18, 2020 4:37 PM “Why? The Roman Catholic Church has more than 400,000 priests working around the world. Fewer than 1% of these priests gave been accused of sexual misconduct.”

    I should really get somebody like Artax or Northern to do this sum for me, but lemme see

    10% of 400,000=40,000

    10% of 40,000=4,000

    Therefore 1% of 400,000=4,000

    4,000 big hard backed, hard dickeyed men troubling l’il boys is already way too much.

    Your numbers NOT mine.

  10. Silly Woman Avatar
    Silly Woman

    @Ewart Archer January 18, 2020 8:17 PM “Do you have any idea how busy the typical Catholic priest is?”

    Busy doing what? So Protestant pastors and priests have to deal with less sinful less needy congregations then? Or are Catholic priests less competent?

    Ya got me confused.

    You know as well as I do that the celibacy rule has NOTHING to do with the busyness of priests. You know as well as I do that the rule was made to deny priests the opportunity of creating dependents/getting children so that all of monies went went to the church, and none to their potential wives or children.

    it has always been about money. Exactly the same as the Donville thingy.

    About money.

  11. Silly Woman Avatar
    Silly Woman

    @Ewart Archer January 18, 2020 8:17 PM. “Jesus Christ was not a feminist.”

    How do we know that Jesus was not a woman?

  12. David Avatar
    David

    Is Verla chopped liver?

  13. Ewart Archer Avatar
    Ewart Archer

    John A

    I’m surprised you are such a poor data analyst.

    The number of revealed cases of sexual misconduct may be rising, but the majority are OLD cases, dating back to the latter part of the 20th century.

    In the last decade, the Church has put new controls in place to prevent and detect misconduct.

    We will weather the storm.

  14. Silly Woman Avatar
    Silly Woman

    @robert lucas January 18, 2020 7:29 PM “the vegan agenda he has been peddling being very intolerant of meat eaters. Also referred to men as being worthless in regards to the treatment of women.”

    The more vegans there are, the better for me a meat eater.

    And “yes” i agree that men who mistreat women and their children are wufless.

  15. John A Avatar
    John A

    @ Ewart Archer

    A case can only became a closed case when it is successfully prosecuted. To use the excuse that they are old cases is comical. Like a drowning man catching at straws. Allegations going back years as you have now confirmed, only become cases when they past through the court system.

    Now by your own admission you have now confirmed why it was necessary to implement the statue of limitations adjustment. If that wasn’t done all them old paedophiles pending their date with the courts, would of walked free.

    Glad to see you finally understand the need for the amendment in the law, so as to address the massive amount of what you call ” old cases” and in so doing ensure that justice will now be had for the innocent children they molested.

    That is my final comment on this matter as there is no defence left for you to mount regardless of how feeble, that is worth further pursuing.

  16. Miller Avatar
    Miller

    @ Silly Woman January 18, 2020 9:06 PM
    “@Ewart Archer January 18, 2020 8:17 PM. “Jesus Christ was not a feminist.”
    How do we know that Jesus was not a woman?”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You can easily arrive at your ‘view’ that Jesus was an androgynous creature if you are to go by the depiction in the most expensive painting ever sold at Christie’s called the “Salvator Mundi” by a ‘gay’ genius Leonardo da Vinci and,
    surprisingly, bought by a filthy rich Muslim a prince in the M E.

    It only goes to prove that Money, the god of the filthy rich, knows no religious barrier; proving that religion at the end of the day of prayers is for the poor or, as Marx put it, the opiate of the masses.

    Like da Vinci, the ‘man’ Jesus never slept with a woman even though one touched the hem of his garment (knob) in order to be relieved of her frustrations and another wiped his feet with her hairs in a fit of pure ecstasy to put the poor Saint Theresa to shame.

  17. Ewart Archer Avatar
    Ewart Archer

    Miller, Silly Woman, et al.

    I hope those of you denouncing religion in general and the Catholic Church in particular will be as full of courage on your deathbed as you are today.

    But I predict you will be sweating like pigs and shaking with fear when the Grim Reaper finally pays you a visit.

  18. Silly Woman Avatar
    Silly Woman

    @Ewart Archer January 18, 2020 10:53 PM “I hope those of you denouncing religion in general and the Catholic Church in particular But I predict you will be sweating like pigs and shaking with fear when the Grim Reaper finally pays you a visit.”

    Speaking the truth is not “denouncing religion and the Catholic Church” you silly little man. I choose NOT to be a member of the Catholic Church. I am cool with that and so should you be.

    I predict that you are wrong about my end. In my family we all die in a quiet and dignified manner because we understand that death is naturally the end of lives well lived. And please understand that neither you, nor religion nor the Catholic Church can get me into heaven or keep me out of hell.

    Nope. You don’t have the power.

  19. robert lucas Avatar
    robert lucas

    @ Miller January 18, 2020 8:27 PM

    I never disagreed with the same sex union. I said I had reservations with such unions using the term marriage, since the latter for millennia has been associated with the union of a female and male for express purpose( in the eyes of society) of producing offspring and creating cohesiveness in societies. As I stated, surely some other term could be coined to describe such unions. I went on to state that from an equality aspect same sex unions was the logical extension: I however said that logic wasn’t always the panacea when it came to human activity, the latter having a penchant for stability and cohesiveness in societies. I cited the example of the woman in the UK who wanted to become a man, then had a child and wanted to be listed as the father of the child she had given birth to as an example of chaos. One can posit the case that same sex unions should not be allowed to adopt children, if one wants to carry the discourse to a logical conclusion, since all the required plumbing is not available.

    “Would you agree that a man and a woman (like two lovebirds in a nest) who have children within a marriage should not be allowed to divorce until the children reach the age of majority?”

    I really do not see the connect of your last paragraph with the topic in hand. In any event since I am divorced and my children were not at the age of maturity, your statement is basically immaterial to me. since it is better to be homeless than live with a miserable partner for all concern (children included).

  20. robert lucas Avatar
    robert lucas

    @ Silly Woman January 18, 2020 9:14 PM

    “And “yes” i agree that men who mistreat women and their children are wufless.”

    I can only conclude from your statement that you have poor taste in your selection.

  21. robert lucas Avatar
    robert lucas

    @ Silly Woman

    Correction ::- I can only conclude from your statement that you might have had poor taste in your selection at some point..

  22. Miller Avatar
    Miller

    @ robert lucas January 19, 2020 6:26 AM

    All that is being suggested in the last paragraph is that it should not be that easy to break that contract of commitment to the rearing of children in an environment demanded by the same “society” you are referring to.

    Just to reinforce the point, by quoting you, here is what you provided as support:
    “I said I had reservations with such unions using the term marriage, since the latter for millennia has been associated with the union of a female and male for express purpose( in the eyes of society) of producing offspring and creating cohesiveness in societies.”

    But I do agree with you that the word marriage is a bit too ‘religiously’ rich to apply to same sex unions where there can be no biological evidence to meet the main criterion of ‘producing offspring to protect and rear’.

    Why not settle for ‘civil partnership’ carrying the same legal rights (responsibilities) applicable to those in the ‘traditional’ marriage but NOT those when children are involved.

    In that case our own Petra Wick ham would be welcomed into the fold of those enjoying a blissful union of joy and happiness without the responsibilities of raising children and where divorce, when the cup of joy becomes empty, would be a rather straightforward matter not requiring too much legal resources to settle.

  23. robert lucas Avatar
    robert lucas

    @ Miller January 19, 2020 7:55 AM

    “Why not settle for ‘civil partnership’ carrying the same legal rights (responsibilities) applicable to those in the ‘traditional’ marriage but NOT those when children are involved.”

    I Agree with the above view. It amazes me that same sex unions seem doggedly determine to use the word marriage, when without outside help. procreation is impossible .

  24. William Skinner Avatar
    William Skinner

    Dr.Lucas

    What does marriage have to do with procreation ? Why put so much emphasis on titles rather on the rights of people to choose their partners?
    Is anybody interfering with your right to choose your partner ? Why are you assuming the role of apostle of marriage?
    You need to step back and stop trying to impose your emotional , intimate and sexual desires and preferences on others.
    What really constitutes the sanctity of marriage?
    What discomfort has the homosexual community ever caused you and others on this blog ?

  25. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    “is Verla chopped liver”?
    It is somewhat common in other jurisdictions under the Westminster label, to have “interim leaders” who do not become the ultimate leader. In fact, in some Party by-laws, the interim is prohibited from offering themselves in a leadership contest.
    Given the particular individual was not stellar at securing election victory herself, she is likely seen as a sacrificial lamb, to appear at a later date as an Ambassador or even a Senator-made Minister.
    Hence she may not become the D leader come the next election day, but she has served, and is certainly not chopped liver.

    On a side note, I see the current GEL Annual Report is full of company by-law changes. One is that all directors, will be limited to a 1 year term. You don’t get a rotating 3 years any longer. This is in keeping with changing international standards of accountability. Maybe citizens may realize these 4 and 5 year terms in politics need to be reduced. Nations can no longer afford parties which campaign with one list and then govern with another.

  26. fortyacresandamule Avatar
    fortyacresandamule

    The speed at which the various media platforms have socially condition some of us into accepting same-sex matrimony, after hundred of years of human evolution and society is monumental. Fifteen years ago such concept was repugnant to our sensibilities. Not so much today. Mark by words, in years to come, beastiality and incest will be normalised as well. Don’t believe me, Just look at the plethora of sexual and gender perversions gaining acceptance under the grouping (LGBQIT). The floodgate has been opened. There is on boundary anymore.

  27. Miller Avatar
    Miller

    @ William Skinner January 19, 2020 12:56 PM
    “Dr.Lucas
    What does marriage have to do with procreation ? Why put so much emphasis on titles rather on the rights of people to choose their partners?”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=

    You never know, this ‘same’ same-sex marriage might be de key to controlling the burgeoning world population which climate change alone might not be able to cull.

    Why not go the way of ‘online’ marriages and virtual sex?
    That should cut down on the high rate of domestic violence and appease the feminist camp with total satisfaction for the ‘vicarious’ Ms. Palmer; and her 5 children to boot!

  28. Donna Avatar
    Donna

    Silly WomanJanuary 19, 2020 1:13 AM

    @Ewart Archer January 18, 2020 10:53 PM “I hope those of you denouncing religion in general and the Catholic Church in particular But I predict you will be sweating like pigs and shaking with fear when the Grim Reaper finally pays you a visit.”

    Speaking the truth is not “denouncing religion and the Catholic Church” you silly little man. I choose NOT to be a member of the Catholic Church. I am cool with that and so should you be.

    I predict that you are wrong about my end. In my family we all die in a quiet and dignified manner because we understand that death is naturally the end of lives well lived. And please understand that neither you, nor religion nor the Catholic Church can get me into heaven or keep me out of hell.

    Nope. You don’t have the power.

    Silly Woman,

    Ewart is projecting his fear on to you. He has long admitted that he needs his religion to fight his fear of death. He has to hold on tightly to his rosary to get him through the day. It is his opium. Opium addicts cannot be rational about their opium use.

    As for me, I have always planned for my death. I have life insurance for my son. I have told him what kind of funeral I want – simple and with me in a pine box without trimmings. All that’s left now is for me to finalize my will. I don’t worry about dying. I think more about how I want to be remembered when I’m dead. I have some work to do to get there.

    You said, “In my family we all die in a quiet and dignified manner because we understand that death is naturally the end of lives well lived.”

    It paints a beautiful, serene picture that! What’s there to fear???????

  29. robert lucas Avatar
    robert lucas

    @ William Skinner January 19, 2020 12:56 PM

    I suggest you read what is below. My alluding to procreation is a continuum from the posting which was modified to allow for societal parameters.

    @ Robert Lucas January 19, 2020 6:26 AM

    @ Miller January 18, 2020 8:27 PM

    “I never disagreed with the same sex union. I said I had reservations with such unions using the term marriage, since the latter for millennia has been associated with the union of a female and male for express purpose( in the eyes of society) of producing offspring and creating cohesiveness in society. Surely some other term could be coined to describe such unions .”

    “You need to step back and stop trying to impose your emotional , intimate and sexual desires and preferences on others.”

    Do you read carefully what is posted? Where am I trying to impose my emotional take on persons. I made the following statement :-“One can posit the case that same sex unions should not be allowed to adopt children, if one wants to carry the discourse to a logical conclusion, since all the required plumbing is not available.”

    The above is a statement of fact. There is no emotional aspect to it. You might not like it ,maybe because it affects your sensibilities, but it remains a fact. I suggest you read the first of my postings on the subject before you go berserk in your accusations

  30. robert lucas Avatar
    robert lucas

    Correction: should read :”Where am I trying to impose my emotional take on persons ?”

  31. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    @robert lucas
    appreciate, same sex persons were interested in EQUAL treatment, not in being married per se, one could have called them unioned, or any other term. The issue was, many of our laws, and rules and regulations, find a basis for several things in the term marriage and those who are married. Particularly, as it relates to how benefits are conferred.
    It was easier to extend the catchment net of equality, to use the term married, than to go about changing all the existing legal documents impacted by a legal change to a different name for the official union between two people, depending upon their sex.

  32. Artax Avatar
    Artax

    Miller

    RE: “There is much more in the mortar than the pestle of standard procedures which you Artax might not be aware of.”

    Clearly, you’re making an assumption, because you do not KNOW what I’m AWARE or UNAWARE of as it relates to standard police procedures. And as such, I’m not prepared to “trust (your) “emotions” on this one,” because I know for a fact you’re looking at the situation from the wrong perspective.

    RE: “The Don is not going down alone and he will make sure of that before he loses any more weight and his condo in FLa.”

    I’m sure you’re aware the FBI does not have jurisdiction outside the USA. Therefore, they cannot come into Barbados on their own volition, to investigate a LOCAL matter, unless invited by local authorities to offer some sort of technical expertise.

    Supposed Donville turned “stool pigeon” and named other accomplices or instances where other local ministers of government engaged in activities similar to him, as it relates to receiving bribes to facilitate the awarding of contracts to SOEs under their portfolios.

    If there isn’t any evidence to suggest they transferred money through a third party to a personal bank account in the US or they did not break any m/l laws in the US, please tell me what could the FBI do under these circumstances, other than pass on the information to the RBPF and, if requested, offer technical expertise?

    Okay, let’s look at another scenario. Recall in 2015, former ministers Michael Lashley and Denis Lowe were accused of approving questionable invoices for repairs, by Trans-Tech Inc., to vehicles owned by Transport Board and SSA………. and driving luxury SUVs registered to the said company. However, Trans-Tech Inc.’s MD, Lloyd Brathwaite said both gentlemen LEASED the vehicles from his company.

    Supposed Donville said those allegations were true, what can the FBI do about it or how would RBPF go about opening an investigation?

    Some are even going as far as suggesting Donville should write a “tell all book.” Let’s assume he decides to write a book in which he mentioned instances of corruption and identified certain individuals as the perpetrators of those crimes.

    Can the RBPF use the information contained therein as a basis to arrest and charge those people Donville mentioned?

  33. Miller Avatar
    Miller

    @ Artax January 19, 2020 5:24 PM

    We are referring to the other ‘alleged’ collaborators in the M/L case for which the Don has been found guilty.

    Are you saying that the FBI cannot come to Bim and arrest them if an extradition warrant is not acted upon?

  34. TLSN Avatar
    TLSN

    @ fortyacresandamuleJanuary 19, 2020 1:04 PM,

    If you were to take a trip back to the Egyptian, Greek and Roman empires you would be surprised as to the mores of their populations. Where every form of “bestiality” was permitted. Our sense of morality by today’s standard would not sit comfortably with those empires from the past. Perhaps a century from now heterorsexuality along with marriage could become outmoded.

  35. fortyacresandamule Avatar
    fortyacresandamule

    @TLSN. Point well taken . I have seen the pictographs of beastility in the Egytian society. At my age, I am glad I won’t be around for too long to witness the madness to come.

  36. robert lucas Avatar
    robert lucas

    @ NorthernObserver January 19, 2020 5:23 PM

    Your point is noted. Recently in the UK civil unions between heterosexuals have been given the same status as being married. Maybe a leaf can be taken from the UK in the matter.

  37. fortyacresandamule Avatar
    fortyacresandamule

    It seems our sexual desire and lust for the extreme and the perverted is boundless. Now add to that the same level of extremism and perversion on the issue of gender indentity. That’s way too much to wrap my head around in less than a generation.

  38. Caleb Pilgrim Avatar
    Caleb Pilgrim

    All I can say is that the Book of Common Prayer (BCP), to which Episcopalians and Anglicans subscribe in theory, along with the much revered KJV, expressly deem “marriage” as being between a man and a woman.

    Until a new, amended, edition of the BCP and The KJV are promulgated, I stand with the Blogmaster, having read his submission. I hasten to say
    I do not know whether he might have preferred notice that Peter’s nuptials be included on the Nation’s backpage. (After all, he has the right to autonomy and individual self-determination).

    As a seasoned journalist, he well knows that there are tons of newspapers in North America, e.g Backpage NY. Backpage Boston, Backpage Atlanta, where like Craigslist, one can purchase or hire anything from a hitman to a blowjob to a Ferrari. But, perhaps, this too shall pass … Cf also, Bishop Gene Robinson’s last marriage.

  39. Donna Avatar
    Donna

    Animals cannot consent. Children cannot consent. Grown men can consent. That is the issue. Does the person or animal have full understanding of what they are entering into and the consequences? If not, the relationship is just one taking advantage of the other.

  40. Donna Avatar
    Donna

    Until a new, amended, edition of the BCP and The KJV are promulgated, I stand with the Blogmaster, having read his submission.

    Wwwwhhaaaat???????

  41. Baje Avatar
    Baje

    As a seasoned journalist, he well knows that there are tons of newspapers in North America, e.g Backpage NY. Backpage Boston, Backpage Atlanta, where like Craigslist, one can purchase or hire anything from a hitman to a blowjob to a Ferrari. But, perhaps, this too shall pass … Cf also, Bishop Gene Robinson’s last marriage.
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    Backpage.com was closed almost 2 years ago with its Executives jailed.

  42. fortyacresandamule Avatar
    fortyacresandamule

    Llike any abstract concept, consent is just a mere word like any other, whose meaning can change or stretched to suit the time or any special lobby group. Did animals give human beings ‘consent’ to be consumed as meat? People in the west have already humanized their pets to the point that it’s not far fetch to see them lobbying for the right to marry their animals in the near future.

  43. David Avatar
    David

    If you study some of the qualities of old societies they attempt to protect their values and customs at all cost. This blogmaster is not of the mind yet to go with the flow. Some natural laws must be respected OR suffer the consequences.

  44. Enuff Avatar
    Enuff

    David
    What natural laws? You gine only tie up yuhself trying to selectively define natural. Just like Caleb Pilgrim selectively pulling from the BCP and KJV. #illogicalarguments

  45. Mariposa Avatar
    Mariposa

    Since the days of Adam and Eve natural laws were put in place to control mankknd faults and failures one of those laws were designed to prohibit homosexuality
    Well of course that law has now been shown to be a dismal failure as homosexuals still lives and breathes amongst mankind
    I wonder why?

  46. David Avatar
    David

    @enuff

    Have the last word.

    >

  47. Caleb Pilgrim Avatar
    Caleb Pilgrim

    @ Blogmaster:

    Re Enuff’s having “the last word”. This is an enduring issue. There may never be a “last word”.

    Candidly, I interpreted the Blogmaster’s intervention, not as “homophobic” as he has been wrongfully accused by some – (for all that I know he may well have been a friend as well as a fellow practitioner (journalist, that is) of Mr. Wickham).

    I am also unaware of any rebuttal by Mr. Wickham, who is quite a capable wordsmith in his own right.

    Rather, I interpreted the Blogmaster’s intervention as a call to Reason, a call for Restraint and Moderation. All things in moderation.

    The Blogmaster would thus conserve what he and many others still define as best in Barbadian society (or the little best that remains). And so, while we respect love between consenting adults, some of us still reasonably urge respect for the traditional exit(s) as opposed to the more unconventional entrance(s). We all sin in word, thought and deed. However, some of us do not yet see vice as equivalent to virtue, even if so advertised or so publicized.

    Blogmaster nowhere decries Wickham or his “marriage”. He nowhere accuses Wickham of engaging in any sort of intolerable perfidy – which, a homophobe would typically do, and which, as a libertarian, I acknowledge is Wickham’s – undoubted right ( based on his right to personal autonomy and self-determination).

    Blogmaster simply says that, Barbadian society is in a state of flux, if not in serious decline and free fall. (Some already say that Barbados is becoming a “failed state”).

    To my mind, Blogmaster seems to argue, sotto voce, that in our unrestrained gaiety, we must take heed lest we become (or become known to some as) the premier Society of Bullers (SOB), and the main stream media (MSM) should help mold the opinions of the masses, especially the very young, the most impressionable and the most vulnerable.

    You, Great Critics, should stop crucifying the Blogmaster for simply expressing his personal opinions, as is his moral and legal right. Just as Wickham has his own set of legal rights …. What is the media’s role here? These, after all, are serious issues about which reasonable persons can differ.

  48. William Skinner Avatar
    William Skinner

    @ David
    First you need to accept that because something is traditional does not mean it’s correct .
    The simple truth is that homosexuality has been around as long as heterosexuality. Why do you think it was opposed by the Christians and the same bible apparently opposed it. Answer: it was prevalent.
    Being homosexual is as natural as being heterosexual.
    So when you say you are not yet ready to go with the flow; you ought to be reminded that the flow does not have to go with you.
    You like the esteemed Dr. Lucas are way out of your league on this discussion. You both sound like scared children confronted or being abused by an adult . I would not go as far as @ PLT to call you and Lucas homophobic unless that is now synonymous with ignorant in regards to the discussion under consideration.
    Kindly leave the homosexual community alone and pay a little more attention to all the broken marriages, non parenting and dysfunctional families in the heterosexual community of which you are a proud member.
    Stay in your lane.

  49. William Skinner Avatar
    William Skinner

    @ Caleb Pilgrim
    Are you really serious? Homosexuals are not responsible for the decline of any society. And if you think that disguising pure discrimination with sophistry is going to escape serious scrutiny you are sadly mistaken. What does Barbados declining moral or otherwise standards have to do with the homosexual community ? In trying to defend the embarrassing positions of both Lucas and the blogmaster , you have exposed your own feelings about the homosexual community and in natural fact you seem quite homophobic.

  50. Mariposa Avatar
    Mariposa

    But at present time in the year 2020
    The homosexual community has grown stronger and stronger everday
    Just as the walls of Jericho came crumbling down with the sound of loud noises by a defiant and determined people so has the homosexual community being able to push back and against the various narrative and challenges place before them as stumbling blocks to shame and drive them into a wilderness of loneliness
    David might be amongst the last of a dwindling group who are adamant that the homosexual life style should be kept in the closest
    I wonder why?

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