Peter and Verla in Focus

The Donville Inniss trial in the USA suffocated the local newsfeed in recent days and prevented the blogmaster – absent the noise – from sharing thoughts about other matters. Now that we have touchdown in the Inniss matter with the predictable verdict being returned, it is time.

Two images were posted in the Nation newspaper on the 12th and 18th of January 2020 which captured the attention of this blogmaster.

One image emblazoned on the Sunday’s front page of the 12 January 2020 showed the beaming countenance of Peter Wickham and Giancarlo with the caption – “Regional political consultant was formally married to his partner of the past ten years, Giancarlo Cardinale yesterday at the Hotel de Ville in Strasbourg, France …

Some will accuse the blogmaster of being homophobic after posting this blog. You are free to do so. Individuals are free to live lifes as they chose, once done within the boundary of the law. We live in a world where same sex unions are being given the ‘weight’ traditional marriages.  The beef this blogmaster has with the Nation Media House is the decision to insert the picture on the front page AND referring to the union as a marriage.

Barbadians are a people wedded to the traditional view that a marriage is ” established between two people of the opposite sex.” The Nation newspaper as the leading media outlet in the country has a duty to responsibly share information that accurately influence given the power of media to influence (manipulate) public opinion. After all we have the vulnerable in society to shepherd. Posting Wickhams so called marriage on the front page  brings into serious question the quality of decision-making at the Editor’s desk at Nation Publishing.

Peter Wickham Marriage

The second picture does not require an exercise in the prolix and can be explained in a few words – one must thrive to make the best decisions at all times Verla et al.

Verla De Peiza

Discuss for 10 marks.

244 comments

  • Ewart Archer,

    The culpability was the cover up by the Vatican. The priests that were found out were just moved around to continue their sexual abuse of young boys elsewhere. Even the current pope had a hard time doing the right thing.

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  • John A

    The wealth of the Catholic Church is tied up in famous art, buildings and other assets that are considered historical and cultural treasures that cannot be converted to cash.

    So the Church is hurting financially. Many of its American and European followers have left, and its growing membership in Latin America and Asia consists mostly of poor, needy people.

    Not a good situation.

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  • @ robert lucas January 18, 2020 7:29 PM

    Probably he fancies himself as playing the part of the hapless wo(e)man in the current relationship.

    But Robert, any case argued against same sex marriages is standing on rather weak moral grounds.

    If marriage is an institution based on LOVE between two people (according to the Church and Western societal values) why then can’t two women who love each other (to death doeth them part) get married in the eyes of the law? The same principle applies to two men.

    Marriage between a man and a woman is primarily a society’s (especially industrialized) construct of contracting-out the duty (especially financial) of rearing children to two people only.

    Would you agree that a man and a woman (like two lovebirds in a nest) who have children within a marriage should not be allowed to divorce until the children reach the age of majority?

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  • As for Wickham bullying callers, if anybody called into a programme I was moderating and suggested that I should be at home in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant i would behave worse than Peter Wickham. It was always obvious that it was personal for him. He was arguing for acceptance of who he is. Once heard a UWI lecturer argue the case just as passionately at a Codrington College lecture many years ago. I could tell that he was arguing for acceptance of who he was. When i spoke to a friend in that faculty I discovered that he had been the lover of the first known AIDS death in Barbados.

    .How many of us would not argue for acceptance of who we are? It is one of our deepest yearnings.

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  • @ Ewart Archer

    In case you want more data on the abuses, ler me update you with the latest data on what they had to pay out ONLY IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS. It going mean little more reading though.

    Anyhow we now going to an article in CNN on the 4.6.19 written by Daniel Burke, where it showed that the rate of abuse is actually increasing in the Catholic Church. This conclusion was based on the fact that they had to pay out $300M in settlements alone over the past 12 months!

    All that is before the statue of limitation adjustment in 2019. The first case of abuse I can find that went before the church publically admitted to was in 1985. Prior to that the cases were dealt with quietly and the abusers ” settled with” within the church.

    So don’t let me ever hear the catholic church talk about right or wrong, or same sex activity when they have a record that is worst than those they condemn.

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  • @Baje January 18, 2020 4:06 PM “a recognizable female got out and in a very deep voice called out my first name it was Mia Mottley then Opposition Leader.”

    Man you better off than me. You and our PM on first name terms.

    You could please ask her for a big pick for me?

    And you and John A, as the young people would say “de 2 ‘o wunna is something else”

    LOL

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  • @ Ewart Archer

    The value set on them in 2018 did not take into account those assets you speak of, as they could not confirm them. It was based solely on the tangible ones like property and assets that could be substantiated. Rumour of the artefacts and gold holding run in excess of $15 billion more many claim, but this can not be substantiated.

    I deal in data I am not a Koolaid drinker who believes what they are told. That church has much to answer for over the centuries and that is why the more liberal minded followers have left them and will continue to do so.

    You can hold to your Opinion as you are entitled to do. The hard facts however do not support it.

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  • @ Ewart Archer January 18, 2020 8:17 PM
    “Do you have any idea how busy the typical Catholic priest is? As a practical matter, there is no way he could balance the responsibilities of husband, father and priest without giving short shrift to his priestly functions.”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Same thing can be argued for priests working for other Christian denominations doing the “Opus Dei”.

    Even Imams are allowed to relieve their nocturnal urges with the help of women. Why not RC priests who had a hard day at the priory?

    Jesus had to be a feminist because he refused to allow those ‘high-society’ men who were ‘johns’ (regular customers) to stone the woman who was miraculously caught in an act of adultery while the eponymous man involved was not similarly charged.

    But you might be right about Jesus not being a feminist of the true kind.

    If he were a feminist he would have 6 female disciples to sleep with him in the garden of Gethsemane and not 12 hardback men.

    But we all know that this story is just a fable turned into a play, don’t you now?

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  • @ Ewart Archer January 18, 2020 4:37 PM “Why? The Roman Catholic Church has more than 400,000 priests working around the world. Fewer than 1% of these priests gave been accused of sexual misconduct.”

    I should really get somebody like Artax or Northern to do this sum for me, but lemme see

    10% of 400,000=40,000

    10% of 40,000=4,000

    Therefore 1% of 400,000=4,000

    4,000 big hard backed, hard dickeyed men troubling l’il boys is already way too much.

    Your numbers NOT mine.

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  • @Ewart Archer January 18, 2020 8:17 PM “Do you have any idea how busy the typical Catholic priest is?”

    Busy doing what? So Protestant pastors and priests have to deal with less sinful less needy congregations then? Or are Catholic priests less competent?

    Ya got me confused.

    You know as well as I do that the celibacy rule has NOTHING to do with the busyness of priests. You know as well as I do that the rule was made to deny priests the opportunity of creating dependents/getting children so that all of monies went went to the church, and none to their potential wives or children.

    it has always been about money. Exactly the same as the Donville thingy.

    About money.

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  • @Ewart Archer January 18, 2020 8:17 PM. “Jesus Christ was not a feminist.”

    How do we know that Jesus was not a woman?

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  • Is Verla chopped liver?

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  • John A

    I’m surprised you are such a poor data analyst.

    The number of revealed cases of sexual misconduct may be rising, but the majority are OLD cases, dating back to the latter part of the 20th century.

    In the last decade, the Church has put new controls in place to prevent and detect misconduct.

    We will weather the storm.

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  • @robert lucas January 18, 2020 7:29 PM “the vegan agenda he has been peddling being very intolerant of meat eaters. Also referred to men as being worthless in regards to the treatment of women.”

    The more vegans there are, the better for me a meat eater.

    And “yes” i agree that men who mistreat women and their children are wufless.

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  • @ Ewart Archer

    A case can only became a closed case when it is successfully prosecuted. To use the excuse that they are old cases is comical. Like a drowning man catching at straws. Allegations going back years as you have now confirmed, only become cases when they past through the court system.

    Now by your own admission you have now confirmed why it was necessary to implement the statue of limitations adjustment. If that wasn’t done all them old paedophiles pending their date with the courts, would of walked free.

    Glad to see you finally understand the need for the amendment in the law, so as to address the massive amount of what you call ” old cases” and in so doing ensure that justice will now be had for the innocent children they molested.

    That is my final comment on this matter as there is no defence left for you to mount regardless of how feeble, that is worth further pursuing.

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  • @ Silly Woman January 18, 2020 9:06 PM
    “@Ewart Archer January 18, 2020 8:17 PM. “Jesus Christ was not a feminist.”
    How do we know that Jesus was not a woman?”
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    You can easily arrive at your ‘view’ that Jesus was an androgynous creature if you are to go by the depiction in the most expensive painting ever sold at Christie’s called the “Salvator Mundi” by a ‘gay’ genius Leonardo da Vinci and,
    surprisingly, bought by a filthy rich Muslim a prince in the M E.

    It only goes to prove that Money, the god of the filthy rich, knows no religious barrier; proving that religion at the end of the day of prayers is for the poor or, as Marx put it, the opiate of the masses.

    Like da Vinci, the ‘man’ Jesus never slept with a woman even though one touched the hem of his garment (knob) in order to be relieved of her frustrations and another wiped his feet with her hairs in a fit of pure ecstasy to put the poor Saint Theresa to shame.

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  • Miller, Silly Woman, et al.

    I hope those of you denouncing religion in general and the Catholic Church in particular will be as full of courage on your deathbed as you are today.

    But I predict you will be sweating like pigs and shaking with fear when the Grim Reaper finally pays you a visit.

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  • @Ewart Archer January 18, 2020 10:53 PM “I hope those of you denouncing religion in general and the Catholic Church in particular But I predict you will be sweating like pigs and shaking with fear when the Grim Reaper finally pays you a visit.”

    Speaking the truth is not “denouncing religion and the Catholic Church” you silly little man. I choose NOT to be a member of the Catholic Church. I am cool with that and so should you be.

    I predict that you are wrong about my end. In my family we all die in a quiet and dignified manner because we understand that death is naturally the end of lives well lived. And please understand that neither you, nor religion nor the Catholic Church can get me into heaven or keep me out of hell.

    Nope. You don’t have the power.

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  • @ Miller January 18, 2020 8:27 PM

    I never disagreed with the same sex union. I said I had reservations with such unions using the term marriage, since the latter for millennia has been associated with the union of a female and male for express purpose( in the eyes of society) of producing offspring and creating cohesiveness in societies. As I stated, surely some other term could be coined to describe such unions. I went on to state that from an equality aspect same sex unions was the logical extension: I however said that logic wasn’t always the panacea when it came to human activity, the latter having a penchant for stability and cohesiveness in societies. I cited the example of the woman in the UK who wanted to become a man, then had a child and wanted to be listed as the father of the child she had given birth to as an example of chaos. One can posit the case that same sex unions should not be allowed to adopt children, if one wants to carry the discourse to a logical conclusion, since all the required plumbing is not available.

    “Would you agree that a man and a woman (like two lovebirds in a nest) who have children within a marriage should not be allowed to divorce until the children reach the age of majority?”

    I really do not see the connect of your last paragraph with the topic in hand. In any event since I am divorced and my children were not at the age of maturity, your statement is basically immaterial to me. since it is better to be homeless than live with a miserable partner for all concern (children included).

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  • @ Silly Woman January 18, 2020 9:14 PM

    “And “yes” i agree that men who mistreat women and their children are wufless.”

    I can only conclude from your statement that you have poor taste in your selection.

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  • @ Silly Woman

    Correction ::- I can only conclude from your statement that you might have had poor taste in your selection at some point..

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  • @ robert lucas January 19, 2020 6:26 AM

    All that is being suggested in the last paragraph is that it should not be that easy to break that contract of commitment to the rearing of children in an environment demanded by the same “society” you are referring to.

    Just to reinforce the point, by quoting you, here is what you provided as support:
    “I said I had reservations with such unions using the term marriage, since the latter for millennia has been associated with the union of a female and male for express purpose( in the eyes of society) of producing offspring and creating cohesiveness in societies.”

    But I do agree with you that the word marriage is a bit too ‘religiously’ rich to apply to same sex unions where there can be no biological evidence to meet the main criterion of ‘producing offspring to protect and rear’.

    Why not settle for ‘civil partnership’ carrying the same legal rights (responsibilities) applicable to those in the ‘traditional’ marriage but NOT those when children are involved.

    In that case our own Petra Wick ham would be welcomed into the fold of those enjoying a blissful union of joy and happiness without the responsibilities of raising children and where divorce, when the cup of joy becomes empty, would be a rather straightforward matter not requiring too much legal resources to settle.

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  • @ Miller January 19, 2020 7:55 AM

    “Why not settle for ‘civil partnership’ carrying the same legal rights (responsibilities) applicable to those in the ‘traditional’ marriage but NOT those when children are involved.”

    I Agree with the above view. It amazes me that same sex unions seem doggedly determine to use the word marriage, when without outside help. procreation is impossible .

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  • Dr.Lucas

    What does marriage have to do with procreation ? Why put so much emphasis on titles rather on the rights of people to choose their partners?
    Is anybody interfering with your right to choose your partner ? Why are you assuming the role of apostle of marriage?
    You need to step back and stop trying to impose your emotional , intimate and sexual desires and preferences on others.
    What really constitutes the sanctity of marriage?
    What discomfort has the homosexual community ever caused you and others on this blog ?

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  • “is Verla chopped liver”?
    It is somewhat common in other jurisdictions under the Westminster label, to have “interim leaders” who do not become the ultimate leader. In fact, in some Party by-laws, the interim is prohibited from offering themselves in a leadership contest.
    Given the particular individual was not stellar at securing election victory herself, she is likely seen as a sacrificial lamb, to appear at a later date as an Ambassador or even a Senator-made Minister.
    Hence she may not become the D leader come the next election day, but she has served, and is certainly not chopped liver.

    On a side note, I see the current GEL Annual Report is full of company by-law changes. One is that all directors, will be limited to a 1 year term. You don’t get a rotating 3 years any longer. This is in keeping with changing international standards of accountability. Maybe citizens may realize these 4 and 5 year terms in politics need to be reduced. Nations can no longer afford parties which campaign with one list and then govern with another.

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  • fortyacresandamule

    The speed at which the various media platforms have socially condition some of us into accepting same-sex matrimony, after hundred of years of human evolution and society is monumental. Fifteen years ago such concept was repugnant to our sensibilities. Not so much today. Mark by words, in years to come, beastiality and incest will be normalised as well. Don’t believe me, Just look at the plethora of sexual and gender perversions gaining acceptance under the grouping (LGBQIT). The floodgate has been opened. There is on boundary anymore.

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  • @ William Skinner January 19, 2020 12:56 PM
    “Dr.Lucas
    What does marriage have to do with procreation ? Why put so much emphasis on titles rather on the rights of people to choose their partners?”
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    You never know, this ‘same’ same-sex marriage might be de key to controlling the burgeoning world population which climate change alone might not be able to cull.

    Why not go the way of ‘online’ marriages and virtual sex?
    That should cut down on the high rate of domestic violence and appease the feminist camp with total satisfaction for the ‘vicarious’ Ms. Palmer; and her 5 children to boot!

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  • Silly WomanJanuary 19, 2020 1:13 AM

    @Ewart Archer January 18, 2020 10:53 PM “I hope those of you denouncing religion in general and the Catholic Church in particular But I predict you will be sweating like pigs and shaking with fear when the Grim Reaper finally pays you a visit.”

    Speaking the truth is not “denouncing religion and the Catholic Church” you silly little man. I choose NOT to be a member of the Catholic Church. I am cool with that and so should you be.

    I predict that you are wrong about my end. In my family we all die in a quiet and dignified manner because we understand that death is naturally the end of lives well lived. And please understand that neither you, nor religion nor the Catholic Church can get me into heaven or keep me out of hell.

    Nope. You don’t have the power.

    Silly Woman,

    Ewart is projecting his fear on to you. He has long admitted that he needs his religion to fight his fear of death. He has to hold on tightly to his rosary to get him through the day. It is his opium. Opium addicts cannot be rational about their opium use.

    As for me, I have always planned for my death. I have life insurance for my son. I have told him what kind of funeral I want – simple and with me in a pine box without trimmings. All that’s left now is for me to finalize my will. I don’t worry about dying. I think more about how I want to be remembered when I’m dead. I have some work to do to get there.

    You said, “In my family we all die in a quiet and dignified manner because we understand that death is naturally the end of lives well lived.”

    It paints a beautiful, serene picture that! What’s there to fear???????

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  • @ William Skinner January 19, 2020 12:56 PM

    I suggest you read what is below. My alluding to procreation is a continuum from the posting which was modified to allow for societal parameters.

    @ Robert Lucas January 19, 2020 6:26 AM

    @ Miller January 18, 2020 8:27 PM

    “I never disagreed with the same sex union. I said I had reservations with such unions using the term marriage, since the latter for millennia has been associated with the union of a female and male for express purpose( in the eyes of society) of producing offspring and creating cohesiveness in society. Surely some other term could be coined to describe such unions .”

    “You need to step back and stop trying to impose your emotional , intimate and sexual desires and preferences on others.”

    Do you read carefully what is posted? Where am I trying to impose my emotional take on persons. I made the following statement :-“One can posit the case that same sex unions should not be allowed to adopt children, if one wants to carry the discourse to a logical conclusion, since all the required plumbing is not available.”

    The above is a statement of fact. There is no emotional aspect to it. You might not like it ,maybe because it affects your sensibilities, but it remains a fact. I suggest you read the first of my postings on the subject before you go berserk in your accusations

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  • Correction: should read :”Where am I trying to impose my emotional take on persons ?”

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  • @robert lucas
    appreciate, same sex persons were interested in EQUAL treatment, not in being married per se, one could have called them unioned, or any other term. The issue was, many of our laws, and rules and regulations, find a basis for several things in the term marriage and those who are married. Particularly, as it relates to how benefits are conferred.
    It was easier to extend the catchment net of equality, to use the term married, than to go about changing all the existing legal documents impacted by a legal change to a different name for the official union between two people, depending upon their sex.

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  • Miller

    RE: “There is much more in the mortar than the pestle of standard procedures which you Artax might not be aware of.”

    Clearly, you’re making an assumption, because you do not KNOW what I’m AWARE or UNAWARE of as it relates to standard police procedures. And as such, I’m not prepared to “trust (your) “emotions” on this one,” because I know for a fact you’re looking at the situation from the wrong perspective.

    RE: “The Don is not going down alone and he will make sure of that before he loses any more weight and his condo in FLa.”

    I’m sure you’re aware the FBI does not have jurisdiction outside the USA. Therefore, they cannot come into Barbados on their own volition, to investigate a LOCAL matter, unless invited by local authorities to offer some sort of technical expertise.

    Supposed Donville turned “stool pigeon” and named other accomplices or instances where other local ministers of government engaged in activities similar to him, as it relates to receiving bribes to facilitate the awarding of contracts to SOEs under their portfolios.

    If there isn’t any evidence to suggest they transferred money through a third party to a personal bank account in the US or they did not break any m/l laws in the US, please tell me what could the FBI do under these circumstances, other than pass on the information to the RBPF and, if requested, offer technical expertise?

    Okay, let’s look at another scenario. Recall in 2015, former ministers Michael Lashley and Denis Lowe were accused of approving questionable invoices for repairs, by Trans-Tech Inc., to vehicles owned by Transport Board and SSA………. and driving luxury SUVs registered to the said company. However, Trans-Tech Inc.’s MD, Lloyd Brathwaite said both gentlemen LEASED the vehicles from his company.

    Supposed Donville said those allegations were true, what can the FBI do about it or how would RBPF go about opening an investigation?

    Some are even going as far as suggesting Donville should write a “tell all book.” Let’s assume he decides to write a book in which he mentioned instances of corruption and identified certain individuals as the perpetrators of those crimes.

    Can the RBPF use the information contained therein as a basis to arrest and charge those people Donville mentioned?

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  • @ Artax January 19, 2020 5:24 PM

    We are referring to the other ‘alleged’ collaborators in the M/L case for which the Don has been found guilty.

    Are you saying that the FBI cannot come to Bim and arrest them if an extradition warrant is not acted upon?

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  • @ fortyacresandamuleJanuary 19, 2020 1:04 PM,

    If you were to take a trip back to the Egyptian, Greek and Roman empires you would be surprised as to the mores of their populations. Where every form of “bestiality” was permitted. Our sense of morality by today’s standard would not sit comfortably with those empires from the past. Perhaps a century from now heterorsexuality along with marriage could become outmoded.

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  • fortyacresandamule

    @TLSN. Point well taken . I have seen the pictographs of beastility in the Egytian society. At my age, I am glad I won’t be around for too long to witness the madness to come.

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  • @ NorthernObserver January 19, 2020 5:23 PM

    Your point is noted. Recently in the UK civil unions between heterosexuals have been given the same status as being married. Maybe a leaf can be taken from the UK in the matter.

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  • fortyacresandamule

    It seems our sexual desire and lust for the extreme and the perverted is boundless. Now add to that the same level of extremism and perversion on the issue of gender indentity. That’s way too much to wrap my head around in less than a generation.

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  • All I can say is that the Book of Common Prayer (BCP), to which Episcopalians and Anglicans subscribe in theory, along with the much revered KJV, expressly deem “marriage” as being between a man and a woman.

    Until a new, amended, edition of the BCP and The KJV are promulgated, I stand with the Blogmaster, having read his submission. I hasten to say
    I do not know whether he might have preferred notice that Peter’s nuptials be included on the Nation’s backpage. (After all, he has the right to autonomy and individual self-determination).

    As a seasoned journalist, he well knows that there are tons of newspapers in North America, e.g Backpage NY. Backpage Boston, Backpage Atlanta, where like Craigslist, one can purchase or hire anything from a hitman to a blowjob to a Ferrari. But, perhaps, this too shall pass … Cf also, Bishop Gene Robinson’s last marriage.

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  • Animals cannot consent. Children cannot consent. Grown men can consent. That is the issue. Does the person or animal have full understanding of what they are entering into and the consequences? If not, the relationship is just one taking advantage of the other.

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  • Until a new, amended, edition of the BCP and The KJV are promulgated, I stand with the Blogmaster, having read his submission.

    Wwwwhhaaaat???????

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  • As a seasoned journalist, he well knows that there are tons of newspapers in North America, e.g Backpage NY. Backpage Boston, Backpage Atlanta, where like Craigslist, one can purchase or hire anything from a hitman to a blowjob to a Ferrari. But, perhaps, this too shall pass … Cf also, Bishop Gene Robinson’s last marriage.
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    Backpage.com was closed almost 2 years ago with its Executives jailed.

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  • fortyacresandamule

    Llike any abstract concept, consent is just a mere word like any other, whose meaning can change or stretched to suit the time or any special lobby group. Did animals give human beings ‘consent’ to be consumed as meat? People in the west have already humanized their pets to the point that it’s not far fetch to see them lobbying for the right to marry their animals in the near future.

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  • If you study some of the qualities of old societies they attempt to protect their values and customs at all cost. This blogmaster is not of the mind yet to go with the flow. Some natural laws must be respected OR suffer the consequences.

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  • David
    What natural laws? You gine only tie up yuhself trying to selectively define natural. Just like Caleb Pilgrim selectively pulling from the BCP and KJV. #illogicalarguments

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  • Since the days of Adam and Eve natural laws were put in place to control mankknd faults and failures one of those laws were designed to prohibit homosexuality
    Well of course that law has now been shown to be a dismal failure as homosexuals still lives and breathes amongst mankind
    I wonder why?

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  • @enuff

    Have the last word.

    >

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  • @ Blogmaster:

    Re Enuff’s having “the last word”. This is an enduring issue. There may never be a “last word”.

    Candidly, I interpreted the Blogmaster’s intervention, not as “homophobic” as he has been wrongfully accused by some – (for all that I know he may well have been a friend as well as a fellow practitioner (journalist, that is) of Mr. Wickham).

    I am also unaware of any rebuttal by Mr. Wickham, who is quite a capable wordsmith in his own right.

    Rather, I interpreted the Blogmaster’s intervention as a call to Reason, a call for Restraint and Moderation. All things in moderation.

    The Blogmaster would thus conserve what he and many others still define as best in Barbadian society (or the little best that remains). And so, while we respect love between consenting adults, some of us still reasonably urge respect for the traditional exit(s) as opposed to the more unconventional entrance(s). We all sin in word, thought and deed. However, some of us do not yet see vice as equivalent to virtue, even if so advertised or so publicized.

    Blogmaster nowhere decries Wickham or his “marriage”. He nowhere accuses Wickham of engaging in any sort of intolerable perfidy – which, a homophobe would typically do, and which, as a libertarian, I acknowledge is Wickham’s – undoubted right ( based on his right to personal autonomy and self-determination).

    Blogmaster simply says that, Barbadian society is in a state of flux, if not in serious decline and free fall. (Some already say that Barbados is becoming a “failed state”).

    To my mind, Blogmaster seems to argue, sotto voce, that in our unrestrained gaiety, we must take heed lest we become (or become known to some as) the premier Society of Bullers (SOB), and the main stream media (MSM) should help mold the opinions of the masses, especially the very young, the most impressionable and the most vulnerable.

    You, Great Critics, should stop crucifying the Blogmaster for simply expressing his personal opinions, as is his moral and legal right. Just as Wickham has his own set of legal rights …. What is the media’s role here? These, after all, are serious issues about which reasonable persons can differ.

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  • @ David
    First you need to accept that because something is traditional does not mean it’s correct .
    The simple truth is that homosexuality has been around as long as heterosexuality. Why do you think it was opposed by the Christians and the same bible apparently opposed it. Answer: it was prevalent.
    Being homosexual is as natural as being heterosexual.
    So when you say you are not yet ready to go with the flow; you ought to be reminded that the flow does not have to go with you.
    You like the esteemed Dr. Lucas are way out of your league on this discussion. You both sound like scared children confronted or being abused by an adult . I would not go as far as @ PLT to call you and Lucas homophobic unless that is now synonymous with ignorant in regards to the discussion under consideration.
    Kindly leave the homosexual community alone and pay a little more attention to all the broken marriages, non parenting and dysfunctional families in the heterosexual community of which you are a proud member.
    Stay in your lane.

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  • @ Caleb Pilgrim
    Are you really serious? Homosexuals are not responsible for the decline of any society. And if you think that disguising pure discrimination with sophistry is going to escape serious scrutiny you are sadly mistaken. What does Barbados declining moral or otherwise standards have to do with the homosexual community ? In trying to defend the embarrassing positions of both Lucas and the blogmaster , you have exposed your own feelings about the homosexual community and in natural fact you seem quite homophobic.

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  • But at present time in the year 2020
    The homosexual community has grown stronger and stronger everday
    Just as the walls of Jericho came crumbling down with the sound of loud noises by a defiant and determined people so has the homosexual community being able to push back and against the various narrative and challenges place before them as stumbling blocks to shame and drive them into a wilderness of loneliness
    David might be amongst the last of a dwindling group who are adamant that the homosexual life style should be kept in the closest
    I wonder why?

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  • William Skinner January 21, 2020 12:17 AM
    “@ David
    First you need to accept that because something is traditional does not mean it’s correct .
    The simple truth is that homosexuality has been around as long as heterosexuality. Why do you think it was opposed by the Christians and the same bible apparently opposed it. Answer: it was prevalent.
    Being homosexual is as natural as being heterosexual.”
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    At least you have a watertight position by using the qualifier “Natural” and not ‘normal’.

    Should society (to use the blog master’s exotic turn of phrase “SOB”) treat left-handedness in similar manner as it used to do in the past?

    Being left-handed was associated with being evil giving rise to that negative description of being ‘sinister’ leading to persecution by the Church and even attempts at conversion to right-handedness as seen today among some churches with their attempts at ‘gay conversion’.

    There is a ‘distinct’ similarity between the ratio of left-handed people to the general population (SOB) and the ratio of homosexuals to the same SOB.

    It’s just Mother Nature’s 10% rule in action to create diversity and as a natural technique to control population growth by creating another built-in redundancy (like congenital infertility) in the procreation act called ‘Sex’.

    The same way there are people who are ambidextrous so too there are those in the SOB who swing both ways.

    Watch out for the likes of Dr. GP the ‘closeted’ preacher woman pretending to be a man!

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  • @ William Skinner January 21, 2020 12:17 AM

    “I would not go as far as @ PLT to call you and Lucas homophobic unless that is now synonymous with ignorant in regards to the discussion under consideration.”

    I again say to you ,read the postings carefully before jumping to conclusions .I expressed reservations about the union being called a marriage, suggesting an alternative name be coined, I said it was my personal opinion. What seemed to have pissed you off is the part about plumbing and adoption of children. The part about plumbing is factual and cannot be disputed. The part about adoption was chosen to illustrate a point (since same sex unions were sanctioned based on equality under the law and logic). One can posit the case that same sex unions should not be allowed to adopt children, if one wants to carry the discourse to a logical conclusion, since all the required plumbing is not available.. You are entitled to your opinion

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  • @ WS:

    “Being homosexual is as natural as being heterosexual”.

    May be. I simply don’t know enuff. What is the specific authority for your proposition? Are we simply the sum of our independent and inter-dependent parts? Does this mean any port in any storm? What makes this “natural”, whatever that is?

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  • @ Caleb Pilgrim January 21, 2020 6:50 AM
    “What makes this “natural”, whatever that is?”
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    Because it is found among other mammalian species on Mother Nature’s lands.

    Check out the bonobos, our nearest cousins on the DNA map of the primate family tree.

    It is not ‘normal’ but it certainly is Natural and not a synthetic or artificial act which has been practised by humans from Egyptian, Greek, Roman and even Biblical times.

    If it were the ‘norm’ Humans would have extinct a long time.

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  • Venue says no to hosting same-sex wedding
    SOUTH AFRICA – A wedding venue is facing criticism after the Christian owners declined to host a lesbian couple’s wedding.
    Megan Watling, 25, and Sasha-Lee Heekes, 24, said they contacted the owners of Beloftebos, a popular event place in Cape Town, South Africa, inquiring about potential dates for their wedding.
    However, they received an email response that the venue does not accommodate weddings between couples of the same gender, Watling and Heekes wrote on Facebook.
    Beloftebos spokesman Michael Swain told CNN the owners declined the couple’s request because it contradicted their orthodox Christian beliefs that marriage should be between “one man and one woman”.
    Swain argued that the venue owners were not homophobic but forcing them to host the nuptials also violated their rights to express their religious beliefs.
    “LGBT rights do not trump religious rights under South Africa’s constitution. The owners don’t just rent out the venue, they are also actively involved in the arrangement, which they are simply saying they do not believe they can do in good conscience,” Swain said.
    The couple has complained about the venue to the South Africa Human Rights Commission. They will announce further actions to be taken on the matter, a spokesperson told CNN yesterday. (CNN)

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  • fortyacresandamuleJanuary 20, 2020 1:40 PM

    Llike any abstract concept, consent is just a mere word like any other, whose meaning can change or stretched to suit the time or any special lobby group. Did animals give human beings ‘consent’ to be consumed as meat?

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    A speedy death is less of a consequence than a confusing life.

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  • “Being homosexual is as natural as being heterosexual”.

    I would like William Skinner to say which authorities claim the above. In any population, there is going to be a subset that deviate from the norm. Allergenic response in foods are restricted to very small subset of national populations For this reason, foods are marketed aimed at the majority population which do not suffer allergenic response.It is too expensive to do otherwise. To cater to for those who have an allergenic response, a cautionary warning is included in the label. It is known scientifically, that there is a subset in human populations that is gay. This subset is in context of the worlds’ human population, miniscule( statistically insignificant at any level of probability and therefore cannot be taken as the norm for wider population ) and in this subset the gay life style is taken as normal that is obvious. I am going to make a statement that is going to disturb the sensibilities of the majority of humans. Biologically, sex evolved for the procreation of humans and all other sexual beings. Humans might want to say all different things about sex( enjoyment and so on). Biologically, it was strictly meant as a procreation tool. That is a statement of fact. :

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  • @ The Miller:

    Hmmmmh. Interesting…. However, I still seem to remember my 1st year UL LLB. Criminal Law course work, which spoke to the issues of “unnatural acts”, “unnatural relations” and even “crimes against nature”.

    You see, Miller, if we are bent (original sense) on pursuing this particular path, (same-sex marriages, civil unions, etc), I believe that, in a democratic society, the matter could best be resolved by way of a national referendum late 2021, early 2022, allowing the electorate and all stakeholders to be heard.

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  • @ Caleb Pilgrim January 21, 2020 11:51 AM

    Good on there, Pilly! Mr. Wharton and even the ‘Rubbernut’ would have been proud of you!

    Who, do you think, would be first one to vote “Yes” to such a referendum question if not the primus inter pares?

    How about putting on the same referendum ballot paper the question of becoming a republic? Or are you perspicacious enough to see such a question being prematurely put to the people of Barbados as the 71 (going 72) year old Prince Charlie and his impatient consort set on sharing the throne cannot wait any longer past 2020.

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  • So…. those who are sterile or barren should stop having sex. Sex was obviously made for procreation AND for enjoyment and intimacy.

    So… when we have voted what do we do with the poor homosexuals? Perhaps we should reduce their taxes to make up for their being second class citizens. Hardly seems fair that they should pay full taxes but not be full citizens of our society with equal rights. Come to think of it – has that law that disallows automatic citizenship to the spouses of Barbadian women been changed? If not, my taxes should also be reduced since the benefits of full citizenship have been denied to me. Why should the law demand full taxes while denying the benefits of full citizenship?

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  • @ Caleb Pilgrim January 21, 2020 11:51 AM
    “However, I still seem to remember my 1st year UL LLB. Criminal Law course work, which spoke to the issues of “unnatural acts”, “unnatural relations” and even “crimes against nature”.”
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    The Law, also, used to classify black people as sub-human and property of white people.

    Were the white people who ‘slept’ with their property committing acts of bestiality?

    The law was made to serve man; not man serve the law.

    If man was made to serve the unchangeable ‘Law’ women would still be stoned for adultery while letting the male involved go free to commit another round of bestiality like leaving his crowing ‘cock’ in the ‘well’ of an ass.

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  • peterlawrencethompson

    According to the Christian law of Deuteronomy 22: 21, if an unmarried young woman is raped she must be stoned to death in public because she is not a virgin on her wedding night.

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  • @Peter

    You have framed your biblical response to whom?

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  • peterlawrencethompson

    @David
    To whom it may concern…

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  • @ Miller January 21, 2020 12:25 PM

    “If man was made to serve the unchangeable ‘Law’ women would still be stoned for adultery while letting the male involved go free to commit another round of bestiality like leaving his crowing ‘cock’ in the ‘well’ of an ass.”

    It is still lawful to stone women for the above offense in Muslim countries.

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  • @ peterlawrencethompson January 21, 2020 1:18 PM

    You are quoting from the Old Testament. Even a backsliding skeptic like am aware of this. You should go to a revival meeting to brush up on your Bible knowledge..

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  • @ Dr.Lucas
    You are basing all of your positions on strictly Christian/ biblical beliefs.
    A child male or female discovers that he or she has a natural tendency toward the same sex as he or she begins to have sexual feelings. Are you saying that his or her feelings are not natural?
    You seem more fixed on “plumbing”than reality. Makes me wonder Bro’.

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  • peterlawrencethompson

    @robert lucas

    The Old Testament is still part of the Bible: the inerrant word of God.

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ PLT at !2 : 40 PM

    That is Jewish Law not Christian. The Christian precept has been quoted many times on this Blog by GP , Grenville II and Freedom Crier.”” Let him without sin cast the first stone. Go and sin no more. Where are your accusers?

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  • @ robert lucas January 21, 2020 1:49 PM
    It is still lawful to stone women for the above offense in Muslim countries.
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    And that’s where the feminists and their “Me too” movement ought to be directing their energies and verbal arrows instead of wasting their time on the already emasculated westernized man.

    Not even the self-confessed woman Petra Wick ham and the Bajan coven of feminists have the ovarian fortitude to speak out about the sexist and blatant enslavement of the women in the Bajan Muslim community.

    The big mouth Bajan feminists (Like our own Simple Simone the “Silly Wo(e)man” with a scalpel in hand like a witch of a grim reaper) dare not raise their loud voices for the liberation of their obviously oppressed Muslims sisters but take every opportunity to attack the already downtrodden ‘Christian’ Bajan black men whose male offspring have been threatened with castration.

    Who or what are these ‘NATO’ Bajan feminists afraid off? A fatwa to turn them into stoned dead dummies?

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ PLT

    It all depends on what one understands by the “inerrant word of God.” There are plenty people around trying to put words in the “mouth of God”.

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  • Best wishes to all the BU family for 2020. It’s going to be a hot up here this year from the looks of things so far! And we are just beginning to gather!

    @ In the Name of Common Sense January 18, 2020 3:39 PM

    Yours is a fairly balanced summary of the situation. But I go further. Always left out of the equation is His Most High the Sovereign One (a.k.a. “God”!) What He has said about marriage apparently does not matter… Of course, PLT and like-minded liberals and situation ethicists will tell you that what is He says comes from the white man’s Bible!

    Incidentally, I understand there is a Jamaican/Creole Bible; heard some of it ( “the annunciation”) on the radio some time ago. Loved it! Would very much like to like to get a copy…but I digress!

    I take the position that even if I am guilty of their violation, God’s laws and principles are binding on me! It is my job to align myself with those laws and principles. That’s a very tall order, I know. But it simplifies life a lot!

    Notice I said: “God’s laws and principles” and not those of the Catholic Church or any other religion or denomination. There is no Scriptural requirement for celibacy! That’s religion speaking!

    People like to use the failings of religion as an excuse for their indulgences, no matter how wrong or corrupt. That’s why I am still looking for a gun to shoot religion!

    I have also reached the stage where I do not waste much time arguing with “liberals”. If I may use a lightweight definition, “Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law” (Wikipedia) . Sounds very good, very idealistic but the trouble comes in interpreting “liberty”. Is it the same as “freedom”? Can we be 100% free? (like 100% Bajan?).

    BTW, even though David over-reached in characterizing the Nation’s report of Wickham’s marriage, it is refreshing to note that he is not as “liberal” as he often makes out! The man still has some conservative bone structure! That, in my view, is a good thing.

    My position is that if you do not believe in a sovereign God who is the Creator, owner of all things and Supreme Law Giver, (who is capable of speaking, may I add) there is no point in any argument about liberty, freedom, whatever. The fundamental premises are not the same.

    So it makes no sense passing judgment on Peter Wickham (as against dissecting the issue) because God is the ultimate Judge. If you monitored Wickham’s writings over the years, you would see this coming, anyhow. He (or she) was just preparing the wicket…I mean making up the bed!

    So here’s what matters. If Jehovah did no send down lightning bolts on the pair there and then you can bet the Supremely Intelligent One has a plan that surpasses all of our feeble condemnations; with a sense of humour to boot!

    Many years ago, just after printing was invented, I gather that a man argued that the Bible would be out of print in a few years. But some years later his home was turned into a printing press for the Bible! LOL? Indeed! What is that Bajan saying again? “He who laughs last, laughs longest?”

    The wicked scheme against the righteous and gnash their teeth at them, but the Lord laughs, seeing that their day is coming. Psalm 37:12 – 13.

    Lighten up, look straight ahead and make way for the Laughing Sovereign God!

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  • @ William SkinnerJanuary 21, 2020 1:58 PM

    You seem to have a problem with comprehension. You made a statement to wit : “Being homosexual is as natural as being heterosexual”.

    I responded by stating that statistically given the world population, the number of persons purporting to be gay is insignificant at all levels of probability and could not be construed as being normal of the human population at all: in essence they constitute a minority subset of the human population. No where did I talk about the hormonal effect at puberty and its influence on sexual orientation. .

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ Robert Lucas at 11:45 AM & 3 :52 PM

    I agree with your positions on what is normal and natural. The last scientific study that I read, 20 years ago, computed the ratio of genuine homosexuals to be around 4 % of the population.

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  • Lighten up, look straight ahead and make way for the Laughing Sovereign God!

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    I hope you don’t double die of shock when that LOVING sovereign God comes! Don’t know why He/She would be laughing at the demise of so many of His/Her creation. Sounds more like an ADVERSARY to me.

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  • An evil cackling maniacal genius!

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  • Any God who laughs while condemning people to death cannot be loving or good. Even I, a flawed human being, feel sadness at the execution of a CONVICTED KILLER in a movie scene. I often shed tears. At at a fictional scene, for heaven’s sake! Of a bloody MURDERER!

    Where did that feeling come from for a person who has done the ultimate wrong – SATAN???????

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  • @ Lucas
    Amazing statistic if you look at the number of gays who are in leadership positions and who are leading : countries corporations church education etc. Not bad for a group of humans you have labeled a “ sub set”.
    You can dress up your views but when clinically analyse , they are discriminatory and unbecoming of a man who daily speaks about fairness. You want yo deny human beings like yourself the right to marry and parent children simply because they find fulfillment differently from you. Nobody is telling you how to or with whom to use your “plumbing” but you want to dictate how others should enjoy or use theirs. It is an insult and a very mightier Than thou attitude. You are like all the religious bigots masquerading about protecting the institution of marriage and determining who can and cannot be good and proper parents.
    You were allowed to choose a partner of your choice; to use your plumbing as you wish; I imagine and along the way you became the kind of father you wanted to be and you were left alone. Nobody judged you but suddenly you are now the bedroom police of BU. You can never defend your position . You are supporting the suppression of rights that you enjoy.

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  • @ William Skinner

    As I have stated you have a problem with comprehension.

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  • The Nation Editor felt to explain why Peter Wickham picture was made front page news.

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  • @ robert lucas January 21, 2020 3:52 PM
    “I responded by stating that statistically given the world population, the number of persons purporting to be gay is insignificant at all levels of probability and could not be construed as being normal of the human population at all: in essence they constitute a minority subset of the human population. No where did I talk about the hormonal effect at puberty and its influence on sexual orientation.”
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    Is being left-handed “abnormal”?

    How then do you explain left-handedness in the human population? It certainly can’t be as ‘black or white’ as male or female?

    Aren’t left-handed people too a minority subset of the (universal) human population like those found in the disabled communities right across the globe?

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  • @Miller January 21, 2020 2:35 PM “Who or what are these ‘NATO’ Bajan feminists afraid off? A fatwa to turn them into stoned dead dummies?”

    Nope we are not afraid of a fatwa, nor are we afraid of Miller. Becausin’ neither Miller, nor any Muslim man, nor any Christian or unbelieving man ever rice me yet. I have ALWAYS earned my own living by the sweat of my own brow, the labor of my own hands and the efforts of my own brain. ALL good gifts from my God to me. NOT GIFTS FROM ANY MAN.

    If Muslim women in Barbados or anywhere else, if any woman of any religion anywhere is being oppressed she needs to walk, or better still run from her oppressor, and earn her own living by the sweat of her own brow, the work of her own hands and the effort of her own brain, all gifts from our God to us women [and men]

    My mother always told us, her girls not to be the sort of women to always have out hands long out to any man saying gimme, gimme [my mother was born in 1915, lived to be nearly 100]. Recently our Anglican bishop has said that Anglican women need not stay in any marriage if it is killing them. My mother was an adult long before our dear bishop was born and she had long given her girls the EXACT SAME ADVICE.

    I would say to women of any religion anywhere if your marriage is killing you then you have a moral obligation to follow my mother’s advice and the bishop’s advice. Leave. Neither your God nor mine wants you to be staying a killing relationship.

    A good day to you Miller.

    Now let me go and find some honest work to occupy my hands and my brain today.

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  • @robert lucas January 21, 2020 1:49 PM “It is still lawful to stone women for the above offense in Muslim countries.”

    Female adultery is no more an offense than is male adultery.

    Stupssseee!!!

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  • @ Miller
    In Dr. Lucas’ world if there are five thousand black and white goats and among them we find forty brown and white goats, they become a subset and should not therefore be expected to have the same benefits of the other four thousand nine hundred and sixty. They are no longer goats if there are gay because they cannot procreate and this means that they can no longer produce good mutton because they don’t have the required “ plumbing”. Now if perchance a heterosexual goat couple wanders off and leave two kids , these forty homosexual goats are really incapable of raising the kids. His argument gets more and more preposterous by the second . His attempt to abuse statistics is even more concerning.

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  • @robert lucas January 21, 2020 6:47 AM “One can posit the case that same sex unions should not be allowed to adopt children, if one wants to carry the discourse to a logical conclusion, since all the required plumbing is not available.”

    i am surprised to hear that specific “plumbing” is required in order to raise children. I have raised children, mine natural and adopted, and some belonging to brother “outlaws” and I found that all that was needed were hard working hands, loving hearts, and sensible brains.

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  • @robert lucas January 21, 2020 11:45 AM. “Humans might want to say all different things about sex( enjoyment and so on). Biologically, it was strictly meant as a procreation tool. That is a statement of fact.”

    This may be so, but I think that Gid ir evolution, or God using evolution permitted sex to be a whole lot of fun, because God or evolution or perhaps Mother nature knew that child raising is not half as much fun as sexing, so sexual fun is a reward delivered before the bare hard work of child raising begins.

    This serious question is addressed to Robert Lucas, Dr. GP and the other scientific minds of BU:

    Why does sex remain so much fun long, long after the capacity to procreate has passed?:

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  • @Caleb Pilgrim January 21, 2020 11:51 AM “However, I still seem to remember my 1st year UL LLB. Criminal Law course work, which spoke to the issues of “unnatural acts”, “unnatural relations” and even “crimes against nature”.

    This is so because the law books from which you were taught were written by and for heterosexual men [and women], so what you expecthetero sexuals to say, except to say that other people’s sexuality is unnatural. If it was unnatural why has it occurred in every human society, across all times. And don’t forget that sex between black and white people was long illegal in the United States miscegnation they called it, even while their Founding Fathers [or maybe I should say their Fooping Fathers] Thomas Jefferson et.al were daily sexing with black women [and very, very likely with black men too]

    As my wise daddy used to say about things “ya born and find it and you WILL DIE and leave it.”

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  • “I responded by stating that statistically given the world population, the number of persons purporting to be gay is insignificant at all levels of probability and could not be construed as being normal of the human population at all: in essence they constitute a minority subset of the human population.

    @Dr. Lucas

    This is nonsense, Sexuality is not the only attribute that defines normal in humans.

    Better yet, please define normal

    You have once more shown your lack of understanding of the normal/natural distribution. Also sexuality is not a random variable, therefore you cannot apply a normal distribution.

    What you need to consider is the many attributes of human beings (intelligence, personality, other psychological attributes).

    Once you include all or enough you will find that the other attributes of homosexuals will balance out their sexuality and therefore from an overall perspective they will be NORMAL (IE a homosexual will be normal in 9 out of 10 attributes).

    @Mr. Skinner you are correct, this is flagrant abuse of statistics and would not stand up in any academic institution

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  • @peterlawrencethompson January 21, 2020 12:40 PM “According to the Christian law of Deuteronomy 22: 21, if an unmarried young woman is raped she must be stoned to death in public because she is not a virgin on her wedding night.”

    Oh dear. We better not start applying that. otherwise there would be a lotta. lotta dead women ’bout Barbados aincluding me.

    Wuhloss Not me. I would not even have been born, because my dearly beloved mother had two children [not including me] before she made the trip to the altar with her ‘child father’ with whom she remained for the next 60 years…mummy would have been dead, dead, dead long before I could be born.

    Fortunately we mostly recognize and discard other people’s foolishness when we see it.

    My mun was a wonderful woman. A true super woman.

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  • Silly Woman,

    Did your father also say, “Common sense beat learning?”

    Some of these learned people have no common sense at all at all.

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  • @peterlawrencethompson January 21, 2020 2:01 PM “The Old Testament is still part of the Bible: the inerrant word of God.”

    Nope. The fallible word of fallible MEN who were hoping to control female sexuality.

    Men CANNOT control female sexuality even though they have tried everything from chastity belts, to stoning, to closed hareems, to castrating the male watchers of the hareem. to stamping a scarlet “A” on the foreheads of “adulterous” women, to female genital mutilation, to public “shaming”, calling us wild and wutless, to withholding support for YOUR children from the mothers who are raising the children, to denying paternity, because JUST LIKE YOU we are fully human, not dead saints and we sometimes feel like sharing our joy wid annuder fella, this is especially so when you neglect to do your “homework”

    Look men. You CANNOT control female sexuality. Get it?

    Because sometimes we women cannot even control our sexuality, so how wunna expect to “succeed”?

    I gone

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  • @Miller January 21, 2020 2:35 PM “the already emasculated westernized man.”

    Look Miller. Nobody int got your balls ok, except maybe old age. Lolll!!!

    Eventually old age and death will get all of us, unless we are taken out early by one of our neighbors bad behaved SONS, who was probably neglected by his own FATHER.

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  • @William Skinner January 21, 2020 7:56 PM “Amazing statistic if you look at the number of gays who are in leadership positions and who are leading : countries corporations church education etc. Not bad for a group of humans you have labeled a “ sub set”.”

    Many gays, perhaps gays are not seriously involved in child rearing, AKA nurturing the next generation on which ALL of us gay or not will eventually become dependent.

    You think that if I had not spent most of my time between the age of 8, when i was first left to supervise a child on my own to now (the youngest will complete uni in April) I could not be a president or prime minister too?

    Gays have more time on their hands.

    In case wunna men int notice, child raising is HUGELY DEMANDING WORK, Yes WORK. Which is largely why before the advent of effective contraceptives women seldom “rose to leadership positions” and some ‘o wunna men took that to mean that women foolish.

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  • @Donna January 22, 2020 10:08 AM “Silly Woman, Did your father also say, “Common sense beat learning?”

    He didn’t only say it, he lived it. Raised all of his children well in the same household, always said that he didn’t want all his children all ’bout de place, because if your children are not with you how can you properly supervise them and care for them. The boys turned out real good. The girls turned out just as good?

    When my turn came to be a parent I once had a job offer which would have paid me 50% more. I refused because it would have meant separating from my children for most months of the year.

    Just like anybody else I love money, but not as much as I love my children.

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  • @ Miller January 22, 2020 7:24 AM

    “Is being left-handed “abnormal”?

    l had to smile on reading the above and other sundries comments about misuse of statistics( normal distribution and so on) I made a statement that given the size of the world ‘s human population, gayness cannot be considered to be normal, since it is not significant at any level of probability. This seems to have raised the ire of some folks. I stand by my statement and am not particularly concerned because my views seem to be not in step with others.

    As for your left handed being abnormal. I bat left-handed and bowl right-handed. Furthermore my blood group is AB positive and happens to a rare blood group. It is therefore obvious that I am in a minority and do not fall in the normal range of humanity in these traits. I am not perturb by my inherited traits.

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  • @ Silly Woman January 22, 2020 9:27 AM

    “i am surprised to hear that specific “plumbing” is required in order to raise children. I have raised children, mine natural and adopted, and some belonging to brother “outlaws” and I found that all that was needed were hard working hands, loving hearts, and sensible brains.”

    The use of the term plumbing has nothing to do with raising children. Plumbing refers to the internal anatomy required to facilitate pregnancy.

    “Why does sex remain so much fun long, long after the capacity to procreate has passed?:”
    GP should be in a better position, to respond to this

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  • @ Silly Woman January 22, 2020 10:11 AM

    ” to stamping a scarlet “A” on the foreheads of “adulterous” women, to female genital mutilation, to public “shaming”, calling us wild and .”

    Nathaniel Hawthorne of the “Scarlet Letter” ( Hester Prynne). You are also very adept when it comes literature. The National Library would be proud of you since from what you have mentioned you used to frequent it.

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  • He didn’t only say it, he lived it. Raised all of his children well in the same household, always said that he didn’t want all his children all ’bout de place, because if your children are not with you how can you properly supervise them and care for them. The boys turned out real good.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    My son also says exactly the same thing. He sees women as equal partners and wants one good one with whom to raise his children. I see no signs that he sees good behaviour as onerous but just the sensible thing to do if one wishes to increase the probability of a less complicated life. Sixteen years old and willing to wait for that special girl. So far, so good!

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  • Silly WomanJanuary 22, 2020 10:11 AM

    @peterlawrencethompson January 21, 2020 2:01 PM “The Old Testament is still part of the Bible: the inerrant word of God.”

    Nope. The fallible word of fallible MEN who were hoping to control female sexuality.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Ya ole Anglican! Being Anglican is wonderfully freeing, isn’t it?

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  • @ robert lucas January 22, 2020 11:24 AM
    “As for your left handed being abnormal. I bat left-handed and bowl right-handed. Furthermore my blood group is AB positive and happens to a rare blood group. It is therefore obvious that I am in a minority and do not fall in the normal range of humanity in these traits. I am not perturb by my inherited traits”
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    Be careful how you classify yourself there, old boy Robert!

    We would hate to think there might be metatarsals from a skeleton falling out of the closet.

    In your own well defined minority of homosexuals there is a subset whose classification is right up your alley of batting right and bowling left on the double-dealing wicket of bisexuality

    This ambidexterity among your normal minority of straight humans does have its equivalent subset in the ‘abnormal’ minority of homosexuals.

    From what has been argued, it can be gleaned, in the final analysis, that human sexuality is neither a mutually exclusive statistical phenomenon of distinct shades of pure white or sinful black but a continuum of a rainbow of colours with the clear markings of ‘to each his or her own’ as long as the long-term goals of Mother Nature are met; that is survival of the species until Father Time says it’s time to go.

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