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The PdP should not let the recent rumblings of the honourable PM of Barbados at her party’s recent conference get under its skin. Anytime a third party in Barbados makes any ground, no matter how little, you can expect retaliation from the old guard as sure as night follows day.

I recall Donville Inniss belittling the new parties that emerged for the 2018 election, specifically Solutions Barbados, early on in the campaign. His arrogance has been duly rewarded. I absolutely love Madame Karma!

The first thing that any new party that hopes to make a significant impact in the next election must do is to recognize that there is mental space, however small, for a third party in the minds of the electorate. For some, it is a default position resulting from the systematic abuse and betrayal of the two entrenched parties, viz. the BLP and DLP, the Bonnie and Clyde of Barbadian politics. But that space is there, nonetheless.

This is the right time to advance the agenda of a serious “third” party. Now is the time to exploit the growing disaffection with the incumbent BLP and the betrayal of the wasted DLP. Divide and rule, we call it.

Expect retaliation from Bonnie and Clyde because, make no mistake about it, when the chips are down, like any good husband and wife team, Bonnie and Clyde will close ranks to keep out the upstarts!

The second thing that a successful new party must do is define itself in that available mental space. That means it must study carefully the contours of that space and be very strategic about how it intends to capture it. In Marketing we call that positioning.

However, the third party must take careful note that many of the masses are unable to think outside the B&D box. They are suffering from what I have called elsewhere on this blog “mental rigor mortis” (“MRM” as dubbed by one blogger). It is the case, that despite the evidence of their eyes, these sufferers just can’t see anything else but a two party state. We boast of being so highly educated but it seems that that has NOT produced any open-mindedness! Looks like a case of “clouds without water” to me!

Moreover, the third party must grasp the fact that, in a perverse way, many Barbadians are also suffering from political “trauma bonding”. Trauma bonding is that difficult-to-understand behaviour of victims who return to their abusers in the face of [pun intended] sometimes brutal physical abuse. It is something that MAM should understand very well!

I do not wish to get side-tracked here so I suggest you read the following articles on this topic for a start:

I am yet to see a third party with a discernible, coherent and viable strategic positioning plan. The strategy itself is not something you shout out in so many words but one which you “drip irrigate” onto the public. Over time, your positioning becomes evident to those who are studying your [party’s] communications and behaviour.

It follows logically from the above analysis, that the third thing the successful party must do is devise a deliberate, ongoing, consistent, focused communications campaign to support its positioning in the electorate’s mind. It must start this long before any formal campaigning for the 2023 begins! Coincidentally, that campaign must also build trust. Trust is hard to build, but so easy to destroy, as many a one-night-stander can testify!

Now, to extent that Solutions Barbados followed the approach I am suggesting, in the last election period, is the extent to which they were able capture 14% of the vote. However, a lot of their under-performance was due, in no measure, to the naivety and egotism of the party leader Grenville Phillips. As you can see from the posts below, Mr. Phillips still neither understands nor accepts this criticism.

Perhaps Mr. Phillips should stick to his Tuesday Sermon. Perhaps, he may find more support there. May I suggest that his next sermon be on the message to the Church in Laodicea? [Rev. 3: 14 -16]

I am firmly committed to seeing the acceptance and success of a third party in Barbados. However, that does NOT include the absence of other parties; by no means. We need a rich and strong democracy here! So expect me to push the third party concept with all the warp power that Mr. LaForge can call up from the engine room!


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175 responses to “The Phartford Files: Agenda for a Third Party Part I”


  1. “The second thing that a successful new party must do is define itself in that available mental space. That means it must study carefully the contours of that space and be very strategic about how it intends to capture it. In Marketing we call that positioning.”

    Then stop referring to other parties as “third parties”.Makes it sound meddlesome , suspicious and cheap.


  2. I represent the default position. My vote last time didn’t go to either the B or D and most of the time I have refused to vote. I loathe what those two parties stand for.


  3. I would rather we see a strong second party first. Right now in my view the islands has no second party as such. What we have is a so-called opposition there by default, accompanied by a few other pressure groups.

    We therefore need a strong 2nd party by next elections to ensure that balance is restored.


  4. @ John A

    Question: Has the Mottley government done a publicly available economic impact assessment of the UK leaving the EU? I know we are obsessed with tourism, but has there been a formal study?


  5. It seems that you still have a personal issue with me. Of the 10 so-called third parties, you could only find something negative to say about Solutions Barbados and me. Let me address your two accusations.

    Was I naive? Of course I was. I have never started a political party before, and expected that there were conventions of decency that would be followed, and boundaries of decency that would not be crossed.

    I was naive in thinking that with Barbados on the brink of economic ruin, people would not sell their votes in the last general election. Therefore, it mattered not what our policies were with those voters. If we were not prepared to behave like the other parties, then we would not get the votes that such parties received.

    However, despite all of my naivete, we agreed that we would not behave badly, but would maintain the high standards that we claimed to live. I was naive in several other expectations, so your first accusation is false. Now on to your second.

    After founding Solutions Barbados, I actually gave it away to a competing political party. Why? Because I have no massive ego. I prefer the background – just getting things done. That is where Engineers normally thrive.

    We solve problems before they are realized. Therefore, the general public are normally oblivious to the harm that was avoided. It is a thankless task, and one where we do not expect thanks. Engineering is a calling. I am an Engineer first and a politician somewhere down the line. So your second accusation is also false.


  6. @ Hal

    I don’t think an actual study was done at this point here. I know Spain from what I remember did one and the results were an eye opener.

    I guess we are hoping the Brexit can will keep getting kicked down the road by the politicians your side.


  7. IRONSIDE OPINES

    a lot of their under-performance OF Solutions Barbados was due, in no measure, to the naivety and egotism of the party leader Grenville Phillips. As you can see……………. Phillips still neither understands nor accepts this criticism.

    RE Perhaps Mr. Phillips should stick to his Tuesday Sermon. Perhaps, he may find more support there. May I suggest that his next sermon be on the message to the Church in Laodicea? [Rev. 3: 14 -16]

    MY LORD IRONSIDE!
    THAT IS A SERIOUS BOUNCER
    IS GRENVILLE NIETHER HOT OR COLD AND ONLY WORTHY OF BEING SPEWED FROM THE MOUTH?
    IS GRENVILLEONLY LUKE WARM?
    DOES HE REALLY NOT KNOW THAT HE IS POLITICALLY wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:?

    IRONSIDE THE LAST TIME I WITNESSED AN OVER LIKE THAT WAS THE OVER HOLDING BOWLED TO BOYCOTT AT KENSINGTON IN MARCH 1981 AND THE ONE HE BOWLED TO NOTHAM LATER IN THE DAY CAUSING BOTHHAM TO THROW HIS BAT.

    REVELATION 3
    14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

    15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

    16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

    17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

    18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

    19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

    THE WORSE CHURCH OF THE SEVEN IN REVELATION 2-3 IS THE church of the Laodiceans


  8. @ nextparty246November 5, 2019 4:04 PM

    YOUR PUERILE PITHY POST IN RESPONSE TO IRONSIDE IS A PUSTULAR ABSCESS OF AN EXCUSE. IT NEEDS DRAINING
    AND STUFFED WITH A WICK. LOL LOL
    SOLUTIONS DID NOT WIN BECAUSE THE ELECTORATE PERCEIVED THAT SOLUTIONS HAD NO SOLUTIONS FOR BARBADOS


  9. The truth is to win an elections here you must pander to the voters, avoid serious discussions and stay as far from reality as possible.

    Remember when Arthur tried to discuss our reality, when he by coup took back leadership of the Bs? He tried to have a frank discussion about privatisation and got side swiped in an ad with an old woman on a bus on channel 8 taliking about having to pay bus fare!

    Look at how the transport board ended up today and asked yourself if it has not in a roundabout way in fact been privatised.


  10. @ John A

    There are all kinds of risk assessments done here. That is not a problem. It is Barbados I am concerned about.
    By the way, how did the Transport Board get this terrible?


  11. Well we Waiting on 200 new buses since elections as we were promised, so things should soon be looking up? LOL

    To be honest we not sure how things is with them as they are a little behind on their audited financials. Not by much though only a few years!


  12. @ David.

    Tell me in all honesty who do you see as the second party in all reality that could be a challenge at the next elections?

    I hear talk of a third party but who exactly is the second party as of
    today?

  13. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ John A at 4:20 PM

    You wrote : (The TB)”in a round about way (has)in fact been privatised”. What did you really mean to type? Privateered? Deprived ? At least you garnered something. I am still here puzzled about what the exercise was all about. It seems we are in for a lot “of sound and fury signifying nothing”. We too like to make mock sport.


  14. @Grenville

    There is the view that of all the so called 3rd parties you seem to be the most sincere with the workrate to make a difference. The others have flattered to deceive. You attend all the town halls, call the talk shows etc etc etc From where the blogmaster sits this is why you are being targeted with criticism which for the most part is well meaning. keep it going.


  15. @John A

    An insightful comment. This blogmaster has always opined that individual needs are mostly at variance from national imperatives. Good politicians are able to overcome with this with charisma driven tactics to trump being substantive.


  16. @John A

    At this point we have no party challenging. Bear in m ind there is an expectation by the usual suspects that the DLP will reemerge. One of the points made by Ironside.


  17. @Vincent

    Well I feel they started out focusing on privatizing but then they decide this is dangerous waters so ” let we put PRIV in front or end um in ED and what ever happen, well it happen.” Lol

    God knows i still can’t figure out what happen or who calling the shots, the drivers, the owners, the TB or brother Estwick.


  18. @ David.

    I don’t think the Dems can raise a party and gain the respect of the public in the time they have to the next elections. No reflection on them, it’s just the last bunch descimated them in the eyes of the public! Also let’s be honest how much headway has Verla honestly made in the rebuilding process?

    As for Atherley and his opposition by default, well their performance at the debt restructuring debate says it all. Grenville has some good ideas but has he a party, or is he a one man band?

    To be honest I feel the best thing that could happen is for all these factions to swallow their pride and form one party. Do we have the political capital then to make a stand? Only time will tell.


  19. @John A

    In effect you are saying our democratic system is under threat? And with Mia threatening to pull the subvention where are we potentially headed?


  20. @ David.

    Exactly my point sir. The subvention issue to me is a case of being legally right but morally wrong. Now having said that a good opposition who proved to the people they can hold their own in debate, in my view would get financial support from other areas. Let’s be honest not even the most ardent supporter of the Bs could possible want to see a one party state.

    The challenge an opposition now has is that the younger voters want facts. They are not interested in a bread and fish campaign. Politicians therefore going forward need to be better acquainted with matters of finance. The days of getting up there and talking nonesence for 60 minutes is therefore not going to capture the younger voters. Nor will bringing 2 bashment artist and a band.

    I honestly see one road here if anyone wants to take on a party that just won all 30 seats and that is a coalition government made up of all contesting the elections under one banner.

    Will pride and ego ever allow that to happen? Probably not but divided these other groups will not win a single seat and I will bet money on it.


  21. robert lucas
    November 5, 2019 3:49 PM

    I represent the default position. My vote last time didn’t go to either the B or D and most of the time I have refused to vote. I loathe what those two parties stand for.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    What do they actually stand for?

    I don’t know and I’ll bet most people don’t either.

    Write down three things for which they stand … I’ll bet you have real problems.

    Both of them regardless of merit, run the same candidates in the same constituencies ad nauseum.

    The candidates get a pension after 2 or three terms, whatever.

    But those candidates actually have no achievement, have met no goal and are just passengers, making up a number.

    There is no identifiable principle on which they stand.

    They get their votes each time because there is apparently no alternative with a difference.

    For example, George Payne has been around since the early 1990’s.

    He has been an MP for nearly 30 years, a generation, and there is not one single thing I can think of that he has done to improve the lot of Barbadians.

    Maybe I missed his contribution to Barbados but all I associate with him is hats … and more recently, Jackie Stewart!!

    Maybe he does good things in his constituency.

    The DLP held St. John from the 1960’s yet they lost it in 2018, after 60 years or so.

    We don’t need a third party.

    We need individuals with the time and resources to lead a change in the constituency in which they want to run, preferably the one in which they actually live.

    They will get elected based on respect for their deeds and principles.

    I think it is better for Independents to run, secure seats on merit and be seen to make a difference …

    … but they need to start at the bottom.


  22. Maybe it is that the individuals running on a B or D ticket actually do good work in their constituency.


  23. @John A

    Interesting we are having a discussion about a ‘coalition’ made up of political parties not one of them having won a seat. Atherley as you know won under the BLP banner.


  24. If that is the case, I have no problem with them willing a seat on merit.


  25. winning!!!!


  26. @John A

    It points back to the ‘ignorant’ electorate. Do we demand the candidates defend positions on the issues? We sit back and allow members of the political class to dump their agendas on us.


  27. @ David.

    That is why I see all of them as being on the same level. Forget Atherly he won a seat on a BLP ticket and crossed the floor.

    To pose a challenge for 30 seats each of the best say 10 opposition parties would have to provide 3 candidates. Stop and think on that for a minute, as even that would be hard to get done. What we are saying is all these parties including the Ds would need to accept neither is above the other, yet come together as a coalition of opposition under one United banner.

    As I said this will probably never happen due to ego, but based on the strength of the Bs after the last election, even a coalition like I mentioned may struggle to get 10 seats first time out. The alternative for them however is to continue as lost voices barking on their own soap boxes.

    Unity is the only way now for those in opposition to make a stand against the Bs.


  28. @ David.

    Yes it boils down to us deciding what’s important as a priority. In other words if you went into St Lucy tomorrow do you think clean drinking water would outweigh a gathering in 2020 as their priority?

    If we assume the electorate are the employers and the politicians our employees, are they fulfilling OUR priorities or THEIRS?

    Of course we would have to put aside the divide and conquer approach and bury the yardfowlism for this to work, but isn’t the cause worth it?

  29. Piece the Legend Avatar
    Piece the Legend

    @ Ironside

    Congratulations for carrying on the battle for the Third Party Movement

    You will notice that already the lines have been drawn in the sand to force you to adopt the idea of ‘a second party’ and thereby have said idea morph into B OR D AGAIN!

    Do not be misled by the various protagonists who are already seeking to diffuse the Movement

    You keep forging on at point and let your SAW team member and sniper take care of these insurgents

    I think that you always deal with Bedroom Policeman well.

    In fact look at what you forced the Megalomaniac to admit in his comment where he sai and de ol man quotes

    “…After founding Solutions Barbados, I actually gave it away to a competing political party.

    Why? Because I have no massive ego…”

    Heheheheh

    You see how easy it is to GOAD them into full disclosure?

    After founding No Solutions Barbados he gave it away!

    You understand what the ole man is always saying here?

    Their mouths does sell dere egos out!

    So he has said 3 things there

    First he says that he gave it away, and in so saying disclosed that he believes All the candidates were his to give away

    Secondly, by this remark, he is saying to the others that remain THEY HAVE NO WORTH!!!

    And he confirms to all here on Barbados Underground, including David [BU] what I said for long

    GRENVILLE PHILLIPS AKA ISO TALIBAN AKA BEDROOM POLICEMAN IS A MEGALOMANIAC!!!


  30. piece

    IS GRENVILLE NIETHER HOT OR COLD AND ONLY WORTHY OF BEING SPEWED FROM THE MOUTH as ironside suggests?

    IS GRENVILLE ONLY LUKE WARM as ironside suggests?

    DOES HE REALLY NOT KNOW THAT HE IS POLITICALLY wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:as ironside suggests?

    When you are likened to the church of the Laodiceans, that does not speak very well for you.

  31. Piece the Legend Avatar
    Piece the Legend

    @ my fellow myope Dr GP

    Greetings from the apostate

    We can expect Bedroom Policeman to come back here and do a ting, after he finished his job at the Barbados Wter Authority and writing his sermon.

    He just does not know what to do wid himself, blowing hot and cold, sermon and invective in de same breath.

    But you realise that if you or I cuss a feller heah we does get castigated for our sins and failings real quick but others does get a free pass

    Heheheheh

    Check out de new Medi-kye movements

    A fellow now trying to run de PDP from America and he says and I quote

    “… I honestly see one road here if anyone wants to take on a party that just won all 30 seats and that is a coalition government made up of all contesting the elections under one banner…”

    And no sooner he says that than another fellow adds on to their previously discussed strategy by sayin AND I QUOTE

    “…@John A

    Interesting we are having a discussion about a ‘coalition’ made up of political parties not one of them having won a seat…”

    WE? Who is this we?

    A careful check of the site notes that this “coalition” concept has only been floated by 2 people

    But why is that coalition being suggested Dr. GP?

    “…Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech…”

    That verse from Genesis just flashed through my head as I saw these two confederates conjoined in this discussion of a coalition AND WAS MINDFUL OF THE NON STARTER STATUS OF THIS IDEA 18 MONTHS AGO!

    Why do you think that they are so fearful of The Third Party Movement Dr GP?

    Are they finally aware that the Bajan people are totally disillusioned by the BLP DLP rotation and they genuinely want a change?

    I going remain here and see how Ironside continues to develop his ideas

    AND I AM GOING TO WATCH AND SEE IF THE PDP HEEDS HIS INSTRUCTIONS

    heheheheh


  32. @ November 5, 2019 7:22 PM

    . Keeping the status quo. I have lump every thing under status quo. You are correct it is hard to come up with three things which don’t qualify as falling under the caption status quo. Stealing taxpayers funds; Protecting the lawyers ;Granting Sirs and Dames all fall under status quo.

    .


  33. What he is doing is more than many here by putting himself out there to serve while others show limit of their ability.


  34. I think we can pull together a worthwhile opposition for the next election, but it will not come from any one party. Atherley may bring a few, the Dems a few, Grenville 1 or 2 etc. The point is collectively they can pull together 30 and form a coalition. We can’t wait for the Dems to be reborn and Verla still seems bent on including some of the past political cadavers in her new party, big mistake!

    To me the question these guys have to ask themselves is are we willing to wait 15 years for our new party to MAYBE be recognised, or do we mount a strong one party coalition for the next elections?

    It’s a matter between personal egos and their true wish to represent the people, hence only time will tell what their true intentions are.


  35. @John A

    Does Verla have a choice?

    Have you been listening to the DLP supporters?

    They have learned nothing from the shellacking.


  36. re What he is doing is more than many here by putting himself out there to serve while others show limit of their ability.

    SOME OF US SERVED ALREADY IN MANY WAYS AMD MANY PLACES, AND STILL HAVE THE ABILITY—BUT I NOT GIVING MY IDEAS

    SOME OF US SERVED THEN WE WERE DISPLACED——–I WAS DISPLACED IN TWO PLACES BY A WOMAN WITH A KNOWN NERVOUS BREAKDOWN

    NOW WE HAVE ALL SORTS OF DEFICIENCIES IN THE MOH
    DOES NOT HE WHO ” Is doing is more than many here by putting himself out there to serve” HAVE THE ABILITY TO BRING SOLUTIONS?

    MANY OF THE THINGS I WARNED ABOUT HAVE SOME TO PASS

    I FAILED TO TAKE UP TWO MORE SCHOLARSHIPS TO DO THE MPH AND MSC IN GERONTOLOGY,BECAUSE I THOUGHT I HAD BEEN GIVEN MY FAIR SHARE ALREADY


  37. IF YOU BOIL A FUNNY BONE IT BECOMES A LAUGHING STOCK—-ABSOLUTELY HUMERUS!


  38. John A:

    That “one man band” is a well-worn lie. You must have your reasons for repeating it. You should be aware that we have the most declared candidates after the BLP. So why keep repeating the lie?

    A coalition of parties may be possible. However, that would require the agreement of the various candidates. It has nothing to do with egos – another well worn lie. Many of the parties have constitutions that restrict their leaders from making unilateral decisions.

    The foreseen problem is the parties’ commitment to addressing corruption. Voters will likely never forgive us if we formed the government and continued corrupting practices. If we are to believe the BLP and DLP’s accusations, both established parties are grossly corrupt.

    Atherley’s party is essentially the BLP. He admitted that he would support the Government, and he and his senators have generally voted for the Government’s legislative agenda.

    With the two BLP teams, and the DLP out, that leaves 9 parties (including Comissiong’s). Do you recommend a coalition of all 9?


  39. @ David.

    Don’t get me wrong I am not saying a coalition of opposition can win the next elections. They may only get 3 or 4 seats who knows. The point is by doing that we would at least have some semblance of an elected opposition. The people would have at least seen some hope in these few and as a result they would have every right to claim legitimacy as our opposition. They would also then be eligible to the $150K which would go a long way in rebuilding a stronger opposition down the road. I would be very uncomfortable with a one party state in the future, which is exactly what we will have in the absence of a coalition.

    My point is this is no time for fragmentation.


  40. @Grenville

    A political party is made up of individuals. Individuals with egos in this case the DLP.


  41. @ Greenville

    I didn’t mean to accuse you of being a one man band, if you notice I place a question mark after my comment. I have never seen a full list of your propsed represntatives, this does not however mean one does not exist in your party.

    As for your question on the composition of a coalition, I think we can ” purge” the list down to the top 5 parties with the highest vote count at the last elections and then go from there. The vote count would then form the basis for the initial qualification. Now having said that independents should also be welcomed. Remember we are forming a party of unity, so anyone who can assist should be welcome. This should be a process however overseen by the party base. What we are looking for is unconventional I know, but it is not impossible. I think it will also break the traditional B or D offering that has existed for the past 50 years. Who knows you may even get a few disgruntal Bs coming over by then!


  42. @John A

    Based on your comments are you playing a numbers game? What about the electability of the candidates? Based on the field of some of the parties it would be a coalition in name only.


  43. Fellows remember it was ego that destroyed our economy. The fact the blind were allowed to lead us into a financial mine field should never be forgotten by anyone. One man bent on refusing to listen to advice or reason, has us all sucking salt today! So yes ego has no place in what I am proposing.


  44. @ David.

    No but we need to have some basis as a springboard. Once we accept that then the new party can lay out it’s own rules and by laws. My point is that a man that never received a single vote, should not be seen as being above one that got say 100 votes, even if he did come from the “inherited ” opposition we now have. Some basis has to be used initially, it can always be modified later. After all the west Indies lead batsman is not the one with a history of scoring ducks or the one that been there the longest.


  45. @ Greenville

    WHAT SOLUTIONS DO YOU AND YOUR one man band HAVE FOR EDUCATION, AGRICULTURE , HEALTH OR TRANSPORTATION?

    DO YOU NEED INDEPENDENTS WITH FUNCTIONING BETZ CELLS TO BRING SOLUTIONS TO SOLUTIONS IN EDUCATION, AGRICULTURE , HEALTH OR TRANSPORTATION?

    DO YOU ONLY HAVE SOLUTIONS FOR CALLING GP A FALSE TEACHER AND APOSTATE?,


  46. John:

    It was not ego that damaged our economy. It was gross mismanagement and the reported gross corruption.

    On a coalition, you may be aware of Jesus’ statements in Matt 12:25. “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand.”

    Fortunately none of the 9 third parties are attacking eachother. There is a type of respect that we have for eachother for daring to challenge the reported corruption of the BLP and DLP.

    You may have noticed that after the ‘cut and thrust’ of the general election, the only party that is consumed by hate is Atherley’s party. You can read the absolute hatred displayed by pdp candidates here on BU, especially Piece and Ironside. They do not want to discuss policies. They just want to hate. Clearly that would be a house divided.


  47. If you haven’t got a ticket you haven’t got a chance!!

    No seat, no voice in Parliament.

    Get the seats and then talk coalition.

    Do it one by one.

    If there are some who have common beliefs by all means coalesce ASAP but take Parliament one seat at a time and then do the adult exercise of finding common ground if by then that hasn’t been done.

    Get the seats first and earning them is the easiest way.


  48. robert lucas
    November 5, 2019 9:43 PM

    @ November 5, 2019 7:22 PM
    . Keeping the status quo. I have lump every thing under status quo. You are correct it is hard to come up with three things which don’t qualify as falling under the caption status quo. Stealing taxpayers funds; Protecting the lawyers ;Granting Sirs and Dames all fall under status quo.

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    There you go!!

    So isn’t that the chink (gaping hole) in the two party armor?

    An honest upright principled person can drive a truck through that hole!!

    Just get a few good men/women in there.


  49. nextparty246
    November 5, 2019 11:01 PM

    John:
    It was not ego that damaged our economy. It was gross mismanagement and the reported gross corruption.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Wrong John!!!

    I am a Trump man and guess what, he has an ego bigger than an elephant.

    His hands are tiny compared with his ego!!

    Nothing wrong with ego.

    Mismanagement and corruption …. I can’t find any disagreement with those as two reasons of many.


  50. An honest upright principled person by definition has a gigantic ego because not many people are that way inclined.

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