The Donville Inniss Sub Story

Ingrid Inness

Two of the most newsworthy and jaw dropping events to have rocked the local political scene in the last 18 months were – the decimation of the Democratic Labour Party (DLP) in the last general election, AND, the arrest of former DLP minister Donville Inniss in the United States.

BU pages must record Donville Inniss entered a plea of NOT GUILTY and the case is scheduled to be heard in October 28, 2019. He is charged with laundering USD36,000 derived from a bribe offered by former employees of Insurance Corporation of Barbados Limited (ICBL) Alex Tasker and Ingrid Innes. Said monies were wired by ICBL to the principal of a dental company domiciled in New York with Inniss the beneficiary. Disclosures in documents filed by the United States Attorney Office revealed Inniss’ troubles were said to be linked to political rivals trying to frame him.

Since the news of Inniss arrest there is a sub story that has not been subjected to the full glare of public scrutiny. We have our moribund traditional media to hold accountable for reneging on its mandate to pursue truth. A reminder the media is referred to as the guardian of truth:-

The purpose, ‘raison d’être’, of this fourth element is to act as an counterbalance, a systemically opposite force that is to report, verify and question matters of governance, public matters as well as commercial ones, conducted by the powers, we the people, have entrusted it with and bestowed upon – On the role of journalism: facts vs

The Commissioner of Police (CoP) Tyrone Griffith is on the record he will not investigate the matter involving ICBL – a company incorporated in Barbados – identified as the source of Donville’s legal trouble. The CoP’s position was supported by Assistant Commissioner of Police (ACoP) in charge of crime Eucklyn Thompson who was also quoted in the press:

We can only deal with what is available to us. We can’t go by any speculation or that kind of thing. We will deal [with] whatever comes before us in terms of evidence… and the investigative process . . . . We will definitely do our part. But in terms of names mentioned and that kind of thing so being put on the table, that’s not what it is – Barbados police won’t touch case involving former gov’t minister Inniss

Alex Tasker

The substance of the police position is that they must have a complaint lodged in order to pursue any matter. The idiocy of the CoP and the ACoP declared position is that AG Dale Marshall urged the police chief to launch an investigation into bribery allegations involving Inniss and the Bermudian-owned, Barbados-based ICBL. However, as an independent body, the RBPF cannot be legally instructed by a Cabinet minister to undertake investigations; that role is reserved for the Crown’s Director of Public Prosecutions. Another WTF moment.

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We know that US court documents implicate former ICBL employees Alex Tasker and Ingrid Innes. We know that the local employee implicated in the alleged bribing of Donville Inniss  was fired by ICBL and also had to part ways from Digicel as Executive Chairman. To the blogmaster’s simple way of thinking there is enough for the police to initiate an investigation. Instead what we have is business as usual with the authority class closing ranks in BIM.

 

223 comments

  • SirFuzzy (Former Sheep)

    @David

    They just don’t want to set any precedent that may be followed in the future. Imagine in future times we have a COP hellbent on justice and the pursuit thereof. It would be interesting times for sure if it were to ever happen.

    The RBPF motto may be changed to ” To Protect, To Serve To Ensure…” The curious part will be “to ensure what and who from what and from who”

    The more you know, the fewer things seem to change or make sense.

    Just saying.

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  • But David u know what is stuck in my craw is Charles Herbert sailing on a luxury yatch laden with drugs sails in to barbados port and he is not held accountable
    Also what makes for wonderment is what happened to the black man a crew member on the yatch who was languishing in jail because he could not get bail money
    Boy yuh tell yuh.

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  • You forgot to mention that ICBL confessed to US authorities to BRIBING a sitting minister and PAID the money/profits they were going to earn from the bribery…in fines to the US government…all of that seemed to have escaped this questionable DPP…whom i repeat…should have no such powers.,.it is an abuse of the legal system…but what’s new in CORRUPT Barbados.

    The DPP deceased MIDUSED and ABUSED those absolute powers that no DPP should have….to benefit himself and a gaggle of minority crooks and it is clear that this one is no different.

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  • @SirFuzzy

    We have to do what responsible citizens are obligated so to do, agitate and advocate.

    Here is the declination/disgorgement order posted to BU on August 27, 20918.

    https://barbadosunderground.net/2018/08/27/icbl-receives-declination-with-disgorgement/

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  • You are so politically hem pecked that that you lack the comprehension to appreciate the substance of the blog is not about Donville Inniss.

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  • On a phone, so I have to be short.
    Have a great day Barbados.
    May each passing minute get better.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    Mr Blogmaster, you are being exceedingly well intentioned (pedantic even, 😁) but absolutely impractical and threading on dangerous ground.

    Let’s SERIOUSLY examine that last point vis your comment that “However, as an independent body, the RBPF cannot be legally instructed by a Cabinet minister to undertake investigations; that role is reserved for the Crown’s Director of Public Prosecutions. Another WTF moment.”

    David, that is absolutely technically important and should always be the reality and not just a perception..no cabinet official whether AG or otherwise should be able to initiate/suggest/demand a criminal investigation into ANYTHING….the process is clear: if a cabinet official receives evidence (let’s say via confidential govt to govt intercepts) then his office prepares non-classified details and pass it to the DPP’s office for their investigation and THEIR DECISION on bringing an indictment!

    There is bold faced evidence in the US on WHY political interfence into alleged criminal matters is WRONG.

    The ONLY WTF moment is that the learned attorney Mr Marshall advised publicly as he did…We can’t be right and wrong at the same time, senor…. Dangerous ground!

    You are being impractical to actually perceive that ANY police investigation of a well known political bribery matter in ANY small jurisdiction like ours can proceed without the wink and nod of the PM…makes no sense, bro, and you know that!

    Why was there no investigation of the ample evidence of the illegal telephone tapping or of the even more ample evidence of the Cahill malfeasance…you may argue that neither of these had the imprint of an external indictment as a definitive source of evidence but both of them surely had other rather clear evidentiary sources that could have been explored…. there was no will by the political bosses and the DPP or CoP cannot investigate those type matters unless the will is there.

    We can palaver on the justice of that all we want but that’s the way of life here and in all small nations like ours…full stop!

    Your site and others like it in this modern era is NOW the FORCE….you and others will be that “fourth estate” voice to keep government officials “honest” and ideally help voters know who to elect…fulminating about the mis-use of political power on matters like the Donville case is cool but will still be there tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow…soooo out, out brief candle!

    I gone.

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  • SirFuzzy (Former Sheep)

    @ David.

    There is something that goes like this “We are looking for a few good men/women” to right the wrongs and steady the ship etc blah blah blah. Men and women of integrity etc. blah blah blah.

    The reality in Bim is that what we are looking for no longer exists. It has been hunted outta extinction.

    Blame the duopoly? Blame it on the rain. Blame it on the farting cattle. That type/kind of person will now be seen in museums.

    Agitate advocate all you want, we need fewer talkers and a multitude of doers. So far I have seen no hands raised. Tell me what you have seen.

    Just my take.

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  • @SirFuzzy

    There is a book where this quote can be found:

    To create one contagious movement, you often have to create many small movements first.

    https://getgist.com/the-tipping-point-quotes-that-you-need-to-go-viral/

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  • @Sir Fuzzy
    Allow me to disagree with two of your points. It may be the equivalent of dotting i’s but the exercise needs to be done.

    “The reality in Bim is that what we are looking for no longer exists.”
    ** I disagree. I have seen a few good men and women here. I can easily name a dozen here that though I d not personally know them I would take their word. Their words show that they are above the partisan fray and are interested in the progress of their island.

    “So far I have seen no hands raised can easily name.”
    ** I think Grenville has raised his hand. Let;’ not talk about his favorite topic. Also we have a second third party trying to establish itself.

    But I fully understand and appreciate the point you made. Looking at events unfold can be disheartening and have often driven me to a state of extreme pessimism.

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  • David Amm maybe i am wrong speckled fowl but some way along the lines of the article i happened to see Donville Inniss name embedded
    Oops by the way my comment was not about Donville Innis but about Charles Herbert
    Gosh golly

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  • Links to the related cases of Ingrid Inness and Alex Tasker.

    https://www.justice.gov/criminal-fraud/fcpa/cases/ingrid-innes

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  • @Dee Word

    Inniss and accomplices should be investigated, says AG

    LOOP NEWS CREATED : 9 AUGUST 2018BARBADOS NEWS

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    Attorney General, Dale Marshall is of the view the company executives and former Minister, Donville Inniss who have been implicated in money laundering scheme should be investigated by the Royal Barbados Police Force (RBPF).
    Responding to questions from the media at a press briefing today, the AG said government cannot directly instruct the Police Commissioner to launch an investigation or bring charges against anyone.
    But at the same time, Marshall said he believed the RBPF should not have to wait on a complainant to initiate investigations, adding as long as they have enough evidence to charge those involved, they should do so.

    Related article :Former Minister arrested and charged in the US

    “Any instance where police have information that an offence has been committed I would feel that it is in their remit to investigate and bring charges where appropriate.
    I don’t think it fair for the Commissioner of Police to take the attitude that somebody must complain but the fact is that, I don’t want to think of it in terms of somebody complaining, I want to think of it in terms of somebody being a victim.”
    Earlier this week, it was revealed that Inniss, was arrested in Florida and charged with a three-count indictment for money laundering which also involved three executives of a local insurance company. The indictment alleges that Inniss accepted US $36,000 from the company executives which includes the Chief Executive Officer, the Senior Vice President and the Chief Financial Officer, in exchange for the The Barbados Investment and Development Corporation (BIDC) renewing insurance contracts with the company.
    Marshall went onto say, although there is no complainant as is the case with criminal matters, the victims are Barbadian citizens and this is reason enough to investigate and charge those involved.
    “To the extent that monies were involved, paid by the people of Barbados into an insurance company- there is a victim and I don’t think we need to have a complainant in an instance where a crime has been committed.
    I believe it is well within the powers of the police so long as the people are within our jurisdiction to bring charges against them.”
    In addressing the insurance company at the center of the money laundering allegations and what possible penalties they could face, the Attorney General said there is no need to punish an entire company for the wrong doings of a few.
    “We have a major insurance corporation in Barbados that carries most of government’s insurance coverage. It has just been discovered that their officers have been engaged in corrupt practices. How do we justify continuing to place insurance coverage with that company? But at the same time, a large percentage of the shares in that company are owned by Barbadians like you or me and also by the government.”
    “Do we say you have done wrong and therefore we are going to yank all of it? Are we going to encourage Barbadians not to insure with that entity? We are not talking about a decision of the entire body but the misguided decision of one or two people.”
    During the press conference the AG also revealed the Integrity in Public Life legislation will be going before the Select Committee on August 27 and the discussion is set to be live streamed.

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  • @ David (BU):
    “To the blogmaster’s simple way of thinking there is enough for the police to initiate an investigation. Instead what we have is business as usual with the authority class closing ranks in BIM.”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    On what basis are tips about criminal activity received via the CRIMESTOPPERS programme acted upon?

    Are these tips treated as ‘complaints’ from ANONYMOUS parties?

    Would the same Crime-busting officials accept a tip about the IBCL bribery or does this ‘crime-fighting facility only applies to ‘low-tech’ criminal activity like drug dealing in socially and economically depressed areas in Barbados?

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  • @Miller

    Good question. There are several airy fairy press write up in the local press – http://www.loopnewsbarbados.com/content/crime-stoppers-tips-leading-arrests. However have a look at USA Crime Stoppers website compared to Barbados:

    US website – https://www.crimestoppersusa.org/total-stats/ BrB – http://crimestoppersbarbados.com

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  • @David
    However, as an independent body, the RBPF cannot be legally instructed by a Cabinet minister to undertake investigations; that role is reserved for the Crown’s Director of Public Prosecutions. Another WTF moment.

    ++++++++++++
    I don’t want to put words in your mouth but would appreciate your explaining further the editorial three word comment “ Another WTF moment” .

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    David let me be clear…I completely agree that a police dept. needs no more initiative to investigate a crime other than a (reasonable) suspicion of wrong doing…that has ALWAYS been the dictum or lawful reasoning that any PO can use to act.

    The most cliched example is that of seeing a person walking the street late evening or night time in a residential neigborhood other than his own with tools like screwdrivers, lock picks and so on… Is he heading home from his job as a carpenter/locksmith or seeking to burgalarize …a reasonable PO can stop and ask him some pointed questions without someone having to guide or provide a tip.

    Extend that specific situation more broadly and you get the point of reasonable suspicion when circumstantial evidence is there …clearly if there is hard evidence – as this case – of wrong doing a PO can then surely initiate to see if a criminal act was done… that’s clear as day!

    Awright den… cue the political power play and all that is basically meaningless! That’s reality bro!

    Mr Marshall is a very, very smart man so I will respectfully say again that he was way out of bounds to make the statements he made BECAUSE it was a political matter.

    I would also repeat: if HIS party boss wanted this matter investigated then it WOULD be…and if HE had independent power and was really moved to have this explored then it also would be too.

    He is playing a public shaming game to garner political mileage … I am NOT mamiguyed but his hot air…just as I dismiss the syncophant here who automatically brought up Herbert above in stupid response to the deeper point u were making.

    I gone!

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  • This is not a run of the mill investigation. Money Laundering itself is not strictly a primary crime it is secondary in most case to a predicate offence meaning another crime that led to the proceeds of criminal conduct (money or property) being used in some unlawful way.

    The predicate crime in this instance seems to be fraud and or bribery depending on the laws of Bim, which surround the illegal way in which the ICBL gained the contract to do with providing insurance for some government entity.

    As such the contract, the parties involved, who initiated it and signed off on it are important elements in the matter. How does a fraud investigator begin an investigation without intricate knowledge in the form of a complaint with said documents (or a statement of complaint)?

    An investigator would have to rely on the information from the US which in its present form are not enough or cannot not be used in Bim for the basis of a court order to force ICBL or a govt service to pass on documents or information for police to have a platform from which to investigate.

    If Marshall was serious he would have long ago instructed some govt official in the department concerned to gather together all the relevant documents along with a signed information of what the documents mean and an explanation of how they were used in relation to the contract with ICBL – a formal complaint and from there the police investigators would have a basis from which to work.

    They could then get subpoenas or production orders from the Court to force ICBL to produce relevant documents in its possession, the banks and from anyone investigator can show would have such documents in their possession. They can also start to record statement from relevant persons

    In the meantime, the DPP or relevant authority would be working on a Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty request with the US to produce whatever relevant documents they have in a manner acceptable in Bim Courts including statements from Inness and the Company through which the criminal money was routed.

    Investigations of this nature are complex, technical and not as easily investigated as some here seem to think. I have known of no investigation of this nature that has not been initiated without some sort of complaint and much depends on the cooperation of govt entities which in most cases are not as forthcoming as some here seem to believe.

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  • A body burnt beyond recognition was discovered early yesterday morning in a cart road behind an abandoned house in the Parish of St Whichever.

    The CoP and his deputy have indicated that there will be no investigation into this incident as no report of a missing person has been received or complaints laid in connection with this occurrence.

    Is it possible that there will never be any investigation into the unaccounted-for millions of taxpayer dollars that went missing during the period spanning the last administration?

    Is it further possible that while holding responsibility for the ministry overseeing Defense and Security during a previous administration, that the person holding that position could have ordered an investigation by the Financial Crimes Unit of the RBPF into any improprieties committed by people in high places from a previous administration, and the damning evidence has been zealously held as insurance against the pursuit of legal action against themselves and others of similar ilk?

    Ah, what a twisted web we weave.

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  • @Greene

    It is evident from all that we know above and underground that ICBL executives have been cooperating with the authorities. On this basis they should be no issue if a local authority inquired for the information to initiate a case. You correctly stated the money laundering matter is attached to a crime that originated in Barbados.

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  • @Dee Word

    Many reading your comments will conclude you are being unnecessarily pedantic.

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  • @Sargeant

    What the france?

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  • Greene September 22, 2019 12:22 PM
    “Investigations of this nature are complex, technical and not as easily investigated as some here seem to think. I have known of no investigation of this nature that has not been initiated without some sort of complaint and much depends on the cooperation of govt entities which in most cases are not as forthcoming as some here seem to believe.”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So let us cut to the chase!

    What about a long-standing client of the same ICBL- like our own BU Simple Simone(e)- making a complaint to the effect that some of her premium payments made during the period in question were used to pay, allegedly, bribes to a Minister of the Crown.

    Would you act, in loco parentis of the CoP or DPP, to ensure that there is some investigation to the veracity of her claim/ complaint?

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  • @Miller

    A better example is the government as the customer. A significant legal action or damage to reputation could impact government’s arrangement?

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    Well Mr Blogmaster, I will interpret pedantic to mean stating the obvious…but it was YOU who posed the moot about the supposed recalcitrance of the police…

    Was it NOT obivioudly pedantic WHY they acted that way…and not re the contrived stuff analysis from @Greene.

    And to Mr Greene: surely matters of insider fraud will invariably go undetected unless there is a tip – or the word prominent currently – a whistleblower.

    That said your analysis of this local situation confused reality.

    Fact: An indictment for money laundering was levelled against a Bajan citizen. Money laundering is generally a CRIME in ALL jurisdictions.

    Fact: As u noted this indictment related to an underlying crime of possible bribery in contract negotiations locally.

    Fact: There is thus AMPLE circumstantial evidence to enter the premises of ICBL and DEMAND via court order paperwork and info re said contract and then the same re bank accounts.

    Fact: Yes it’s complex and can be a legal challenge if the alleged suspect has a sharp lawyer…regardless this situation based on PUBLIC facts is primed for official investigation action!

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  • @Dee Word

    What is your view the citizenry wants to see the authorities making an attempt to determine truth even IF the legal hurdle appears insurmountable? Where does confidence in the ‘system’ come from if they pursue only ABC stuff?

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  • @ David September 22, 2019 1:28 PM

    It would be interesting to hear the views of the same sleuth the former D I Green(e) on his interpretation of the provisions contained in the following extract of the Bajan laws. At least he ought to be familiar with the ‘fact’ that Bribery is a criminal offence under the laws of Barbados.

    CAP. 129 Money Laundering and Financing of Terrorism (Prevention and Control)
    PART I

    MONEY LAUNDERING

    (1) A person engages in money laundering where
    (a) the person engages, directly or indirectly, in a transaction that
    involves money or other property that is proceeds of crime; or

    (b) the person receives, possesses, conceals, disposes of, or brings
    into or sends out of Barbados any money or other property that
    is proceeds of crime.

    (2) For the purposes of this section, a person engages in money
    laundering whether he knows or has reasonable grounds to suspect
    that the property is derived or realised directly or indirectly from some
    form of unlawful activity or, where the person is

    (a) an individual, if he fails without reasonable excuse to take
    reasonable steps to ascertain whether or not the property is
    derived or realised, directly or indirectly, from some form of
    unlawful activity; or

    (b) a financial institution, if the person fails to take reasonable
    steps to implement or apply procedures to control or combat
    money laundering.

    Any act done by a person outside Barbados with intent to do
    that act within Barbados is, if it would be an offence within Barbados,
    an offence under this Act.

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  • @Miller

    Would it not be interesting to see the reason given by ICBL to support the wire transfer to the Dental Office in New York?

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  • QUESTION
    What are the main problems facing Barbados?

    ANSWER
    How to overcome poverty and technological backwardness.

    QUESTION
    In the fight against poverty and backwardness, how much does it matter that a former government minister may have secured a small bribe?

    ANSWER
    On a scale of one to ten, this case is about a three. Bribery and corruption are never to be encouraged, but corruption is rarely a major obstacle to economic or technological progress. China, India, South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, Malaysia and Turkey are profoundly corrupt countries with booming, dynamic economies.

    QUESTION
    Why does the Caribbean political class spend so much time worrying about bribery, other forms of corruption, the threat of dictatorship, etc

    ANSWER
    The political class is dominated by lawyers, who constantly focus on problems — like illegal behaviour — that can be addressed or fixed by legal procedures. Meanwhile, the most important factors causing poverty and backwardness remain neglected

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  • for all the long talk, it has been 6 months close to a year that this inniss matter surfaced and the CoP has said there is no complaint for his detectives to begin an investigation. with all that known, why hasnt Marshall been able to direct a govt official to make an official complaint or why hasn’t ICBL made one of its own accord or in the interest of the public?

    ask yourselves that?

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  • @Greene

    This the point.

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  • Sunshine Sunny Shine

    Sir Blogmaster

    You really like to entertain a lot of long talk tho tho. Em is clear as crystal that in the eyes of the Generals of Barbados, the Donville Inniss story does not constitute a crime. His being caught highlighted the money laundering matter as a crime in another jurisdiction but in the Barbados-situation money laundered or should I say, the business of taking money from others as rewards for contracts rendered, is in the eyes of Barbadian politicians, normal business. As one person stated, to have the police force investigate the Donville Inniss issue through ICBL would be to set a precedent unheard of in Barbados that could put the two political parties under the microscope. Donville would do well to come back to Barbados after he gets his name cleared in the states. And, even if he is found guilty, he still does not have anything to worry about. Ezra Alleyne left the island for a few years and came back to practice law like he never was implicated in a matter involving clients money. So Donville just got to come back home and set up shop, toss a few dollars at the hungry mout brutes and he is embraced again as the man for the political hour.

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  • @ David,

    Where is the image of Ingrid Innes that should have been next to Alex Tasker ?

    Both are innocent until…

    https://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/233707/-icbl-execs-indicted

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  • Paying a bribe is a crime.

    Receiving a bribe is a crime.

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  • @Hants

    The focus of the blog is on the local player from the perspective there is no reason why the police/DPP should not have opened an investigation.

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  • @ David,

    Some of those who may have payed bribes could possibly be white.

    That is my opinion from a CanBajan perspective.

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  • Can senior civil servants be also accepting bribes for information on government (ministerial) policies?

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  • Barbados Underground Whilstelblower

    @Hants

    The focus of the blog is on the local player from the perspective there is no reason why the police/DPP should not have opened an investigation.
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    You guys really don’t get it.

    There are senior policemen and detectives on the take involved in guns, drugs, planting evidence, beatings, human trafficking, extortion, etc.

    This is all Par for the Course.

    Alex Tasker has been a Fraudster for a very long time.

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  • @ Barbados Underground Whilstelblower September 22, 2019 6:11 PM

    Whistleblower, you are a man who has been (not as an operator) at the coalface of criminal activity and cover-up once it involves the politically and socially well-connected in Barbados.

    How come you don’t know who is the person to whom the recent shipment of handguns was destined but interdicted (maybe accidentally) at the depot of an air courier business?

    Or was this reported incident another flash of fake news?

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @Sunshine Sunny ShineSeptember 22, 2019 2:43 PM “even if he is found guilty, he still does not have anything to worry about.”

    You sure?

    I would not like to be a black man found guilty of anything in the United States.

    “Currently, African Americans and Hispanics/Latinos make up 56% of prisoners but are only 28% of the U.S. population. Although “color blind” on the surface, racial disparities appear in every
    stage of the criminal justice system, which has built the resulting prison and jail population over decades. Whites and African Americansengage in drug use at similar rates, but African Americans are much more likely to be arrested for it. ”
    More: http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/racism/upload/racism-and-criminal-justice.pdf

    I would not like to be a black man found guilty of anything in the United States.

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @Ewart ArcherSeptember 22, 2019 1:59 PM “corruption is rarely a major obstacle to economic or technological progress.”

    You sure? This Harvard chappie and the U.S. National Bureau of Economic Research think otherwise think otherwise.

    Corruption in economic development: beneficial grease, minor annoyance or major obstacle / Shang-Jin Wei. Harvard University and [U.S.] National Bureau of Economic Research.
    http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.196.4006&rep=rep1&type=pdf

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  • @ SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife September 22, 2019 8:33 PM
    “I would not like to be a black man found guilty of anything in the United States.”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Seems as if you are experiencing a Pauline-type ‘period’ by your conversion from seeing ‘black’ men as being the source of all social problems to a state of empathic appreciation of the ‘blackened’ plight of that ‘dog-like’ group which exists at the very last rung of the socio-economic ladder.

    For, at last, the blinkers of ignorance and brainwashing have been miraculously removed from your eyes and the pulse of enlightenment has energized your once comatose sexist brain.

    Mr. whiteHill, can we have a shout of hallelujah for the sister Simple Simone who was once blind but can now see?

    Indeed a perfect case of ‘Amazing Grace’ in action!

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  • Barbados Underground Whilstelblower

    Miller

    How come you don’t know who is the person to whom the recent shipment of handguns was destined but interdicted (maybe accidentally) at the depot of an air courier business?

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    Don’t know who.

    However, you can rest assured that someone in the Protect and Serve Brigade is licking their chops for a kickback to keep out of jail free card similar given to Charles Herbert who was caught red-handed, charged and then walk scots free having greased the wheels internally.

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    Isn’t it amazing that the police investigate, the DPP manages to lay murder charges, and that juries convict, and judges sentence (even to death) and jailers jail, even though murder victims only rarely lay official complaints.

    But no doubt one of the bright political persons will come here and tell me that I “don’t understand” as though they think that I am in Infants B.

    The police only need REASONABLE AND PROBABLE CAUSE that a crime may have been committed in order to begin investigating/collecting evidence.

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @MillerSeptember 22, 2019 9:09 PM “Seems as if you are experiencing a Pauline-type ‘period’ by your conversion from seeing ‘black’ men as being the source of all social problems to a state of empathic appreciation.”

    Love black men. Always have. I can’t imagine what has led you to feel otherwise.

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  • Sir Simple Simon

    The Harvard chappie to whom you refer did some research that was funded by the World Bank/IMF. The World Bank is a BANK which lends money to Third World governments. Any bank wants its loans repaid on time, and public corruption can get in the way of repayment.

    Unsurprisingly, the World Bank is a hawk on the corruption issue.

    The scholarly paper you cite does not (and cannot) claim that public corruption prevents economic development. It only points to evidence that suggests it can slow down the pace of development. However, this evidence is cherry-picked from data for a few years and a few countries. The analysis of this data involves simple regression models that omit key variables.

    I could run some regressions on “corruption” data from Africa, the Philippines, and the OECD countries which appear to provide statistical evidence of the harm caused by corruption. But is Africa really slow to develop because of corruption, or are there deeper causes not measured in our regression equations?

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    Talking about slackness in the systems. The front page of today’s Nation. In 2002 a complaint was laid that a 13 year old had been raped by a teacher. The case came to court in 2017, by which time the 13 year old was then 28 and did not wish to be re-traumatised by giving evidence. So the case was dismissed. The teacher shows up at his old school at the end of last term. He had been on [no doubt tax-funded] leave all of that time. He is due to retire in January [no doubt on a tax funded pension]. The Sunday Sun quotes Minister Santia Bradshaw as saying “He is on a term’s leave and due to retire in January” Is this leave with full pay? And a senior education official says “we have to follow the General Orders”

    And as Red Plastic Bag says “nobody get a day fah dat.

    We the people are mad.

    Or we the people are bad.

    But we are certainly not normal, sensible, morally centered people.

    How is it that we have never heard that justice delayed is justice denied?

    How did it take 15 years to bring to court a case involving an allegstion of sexual assault against a minor.

    What was everybody in the system doing?

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @Ewart ArcherSeptember 22, 2019 9:46 PM “The Harvard chappie to whom you refer did some research that was funded by the World Bank/IMF. The World Bank is a BANK which lends money to Third World governments. Any bank wants its loans repaid on time.”

    Of course any bank, or any individual, even you or me wants our loans repaid on time. And if we have to be hawks to get our money back is that a bad thing? Would you rather your friend took a cruise, and offered you excuses instead of paying you back your money?

    But maybe I “don’t understand”

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @Ewart Archer “But is Africa really slow to develop because of corruption, or are there deeper causes not measured in our regression equations?”

    Corruption AND deeper causes.

    And either one compounds the other.

    Even you admit that “It only points to evidence that suggests it can slow down the pace of development.”

    My question is “how far is it from slow to stop?”

    And “do we really want to move from slow to stop.”

    And “who is hurting when this slowing down happens?”

    Who are the beneficiaries of corruption?

    And who are the victims?

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  • The recent fiasco in court with the Commissioner of Police being refused some court document by justice Olson Alleyne SOULD BE EVIDENCE ENOUGH THAT Dale Marshall is not really intending to prosecute Pornville.

    Mugabe is trying to get Pornville out of jail AND ALL THIS IS PURELY AN EXERCISE IN PUBLICITY.

    In fact, it would not surprise me if this blog is an attempt to see what, IF ANY INCRIMINATING EVIDENCE, exists out there in this Pornville case.

    They want to know who EFFED up Pornville.

    There is no serious attempt to get his ass locked up.

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  • Barbados Underground Whilstelblower

    How did it take 15 years to bring to court a case involving an allegstion of sexual assault against a minor.

    What was everybody in the system doing?
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    COLLUDING

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  • Simple Simon,

    The only satisfaction we can have is that he couldn’t have been comfortable for any of those fifteen years with the case hanging over his head.

    This is an indication of how seriously our government takes its responsibility to our children. No wonder so many young people have no respect for “authority”.

    We are told by the government that we MUST send our children to school unless we can prove that we are able to match the standards of this failing educational system. We send our daughter to school,. She is raped and then the self same government does nothing to seek justice for the child for fifteen years.

    But if I as a parent accost the criminal on the school premises and take matters into my own hands I would be the wrongest person in Barbados.

    Thank God I did not have a daughter.

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  • “The educator, who was 43 years old at the time of the alleged offence, had been accused of having sexual intercourse with a 13-year-old girl, sometime between November 1 and 30, 2002.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    How can so wide a period be used in the prosecution of the alleged crime?

    What hour of the day or night did it happen?

    When was the charge brought?

    Does the victim know where the alleged crime was committed?

    Are they witnesses?

    Something very weird about this one.

    Seems like we been through all this already with Judge Kavanaugh.

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  • The only satisfaction we can have is that he couldn’t have been comfortable for any of those fifteen years with the case hanging over his head.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Like any of us present in Barbados he was constitutionally due a speedy trial!!

    Can he sue the GOB for damages now?

    If he wins (assuming he not she) the taxpayers will foot the bill!!

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  • “How is it that we have never heard that justice delayed is justice denied?

    How did it take 15 years to bring to court a case involving an allegstion of sexual assault against a minor.”

    they are evil minded like that, even other teachers helped cover up the rape of that child, they have no moral core, none of them…let’s hope Karma touches each and every one of these beasts..

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  • “My question is “how far is it from slow to stop?”

    “And “do we really want to move from slow to stop.”

    ya have already stopped…

    and you need look no further than the corrupt in the parliament, the tiefing lawyers and the minority criminals they collude with….for culprits, no one else is protected Enuff to commit those levels of crimes against the people and country.

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  • So wait with all the accusations and allegations and filed charges flying left and right
    Wasn’t an acussed / charged rapist /Roy Morris hired by Mia Mottley to be a spoke person for govt
    There is no one in present govt or their supporters who can point fingers against any one about moral misconduct
    A friendly reminder people living in glass houses should not throw stone

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  • Having survived the horror, the victim may be made to relive it again.
    I can imagine a thoughtless approaching the victim with an opening line…”I hope that you get justice,. It was such a long time I almost forgot that you got **** by a teacher,

    Victimized again. Let the case die. Stop pretending you have a working legal system. It is doing more harm than good.

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  • by the talk here Bim is the most corrupt place on earth. everyone in authority involved in a conspiracy (no word in law called collusion) against the people of Barbados. who are crooks are rapists or hate black people.

    in reality Bim is no more corrupt that first world countries. i dear some of the posters here to carry on with US police like how we carry on with Bim police. and dont talk american justice system tell that to afro americans who come up against this justice on a daily basis?

    someone here posted that the police only need probable cause or some american mumbo jumbo to investigate a matter. wrong. crimes against the person and crimes against property need someone to complain.

    the police may do something if an offence of this nature takes place in their presence but ultimately if a person who is assaulted or a person whose property is criminally damaged does not make a complaint or give a statement there is nothing the police can do. or if the police hears about a crime of this nature after the fact (on video) should they go and arrest the perpetrator without a complaint?

    in this matter with Inniss in Bim even if we conclude that the police should investigate without a complaint (a view i dont share) why (and i re-iterate) hasnt Marshall direct someone from the civil service to complain or why hasnt ICBL who cooperated with the Feds not do the right thing and go to the police with the same documents they handed over to the Feds and admit to bribery?

    wouldnt that solve the issue of a complaint and or a confession?

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  • @ Greene September 23, 2019 8:05 AM

    Does your scenario of ‘needing someone to complain before the police can take action apply when the perceived crime involves a minor (or minors)?

    Who makes complaints when sexual acts involving minors are circulated over the internet? The Public?

    Should we guess that you have never heard about the criminal law governing “Online Child Sexual Exploitation (OCSE)?

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  • How can a person with an allegation as bad a rape where charges were filed sits in high position in govt as a spokes person
    What does such a justification lead by govt says about a society

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  • @ Greene

    Barbados may not be more corrupt than some developed nations, although personally I think incompetence is a bigger problem, but as a small nation the impact of ‘corruption’ and character assassination is greater.
    We are badly in need or moral leadership and the church is failing us. Just read the contributions on BU, especially from a regular gang whose only contributions are to criticise and smear, never a positive contribution, from men (and they are nearly all men) in their late middle aged or pensioners.
    There are a set of behaviours which I term collectively the Bajan Condition which explains all this. Read the Civilising Process by Norbert Elias, although it is about Western Europe, it has a message for Barbados.

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  • Miller what do u expect from these backward, miseducated ignoramuses PRETENDING to be knowldgeable..

    Wuh it was just a few years ago 2 or 3beditors from Nationnews, me thinks if i remember that an accused child rapist was one…posted on the newspaper 2 minor children having sex…for the world to see…and no one, especially the CORRUPT judiciary saw anything wrong with that….ya done know that child rape is not only CONDONED…but ENCOURAGED…

    …..a corrupt system with corrupt likeminded beasts = a CORRUPT UNCARING SOCIETY..

    None of that can ever be cleaned up….

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  • @ Greene September 23, 2019 8:05 AM
    ” in this matter with Inniss in Bim even if we conclude that the police should investigate without a complaint (a view i dont share) why (and i re-iterate) hasnt Marshall direct someone from the civil service to complain or why hasnt ICBL who cooperated with the Feds not do the right thing and go to the police with the same documents they handed over to the Feds and admit to bribery?”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Agree 100 %!

    It’s all about doing or returning favours to political friends pretending to be opponents.
    As William Skinner always points out, it’s a mere exchange of actors in the great theatre performance called the ‘Rule of the Duopoly’ whose motto is “One for All and All for One”.

    The same Pornville guy tried to breach the motto and like a Judas was instrumental in undermining his political boss thereby weakening his administration leading to MAM’s exploitation of this internal coup.

    Thing is the Don got hoisted by his own power-hungry petard; never believed he would have lost his SJS seat shattering his expectations of becoming the LoO and, now impossible, the next PM after his first school girlfriend demits office.

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  • the law recognises a person which can be a body corporate or a person over a certain age and with a certain mental capacity.

    where there i a child not of age that person is either represented by an appropriate adult or the state where there is none.

    this is so when under age child is assaulted sexually or otherwise. sometimes the matter never gets to court because the appropriate adults does not want to embarrass the child or bring attention to the matter or cannot get the child to cooperate or gets paid off by the prep.

    sometimes the state force the matter to court but the victim either says nothing on the stand, recant or say they want nothing further to do with the matter.

    crimes like drugs, murder etc for obvious reasons have the crown, state as the complainant / victim

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  • Yes John, he could sue the government for the lack of a speedy trial, but how long would it take for that case to be completed?

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @JohnSeptember 22, 2019 11:39 PM “How can so wide a period be used in the prosecution of the alleged crime? When was the charge brought? Are they witnesses? Seems like we been through all this already with Judge Kavanaugh.”

    It seems that the charges were brought at the beginning n the century, but 15 years passed between the bringing of the charges and the time the case got to court.

    There are almost never witnesses to rape. But there is almost always biological evidence. So you believe that Judge Kavanaugh is as innocent as the driven snow? What if it was your 13 year old daughter who came home and said “daddy the teacher, my neighbour, my step father, the pastor had sex with me.”

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  • “Thing is the Don got hoisted by his own power-hungry petard; never believed he would have lost his SJS seat shattering his expectations of becoming the LoO and, now impossible, the next PM after his first school girlfriend demits office.”

    Lol..

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  • he can only sue the govt if speedy trial rules exist in Bim. do they? abuse of process is the better option or the legal phrase to be used in our jurisdiction

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  • @SirSimple “What if it was your 13 year old daughter who came home and said “daddy the teacher, my neighbour, my step father, the pastor had sex with me.”

    Dear Sir, That is when FearPlay would PlayFear into the hearts of the ungodly and go on to enjoying a carefree life while the courts dillyed and dallyed. And therein lies the problem that we are creating. When the citizen no longer has faith in the courts delivering justice, then the citizen will take justice into their own hands.

    Have you ever heard of a drug dealer taking a foot soldier to court because he is owed money?

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  • The majority of commenters on this blog are likely to be black Bajans.

    Two people were accused of bribery and one of accepting a bribe.

    Yet there is a relentless attack on the ” one ” and a free pass is given to the ” two “.

    Is it the lighter skin and the ” pretty hair ” of the female of the accused briber ?

    Or maybe receiving bribes is a bigger crime than paying them.

    Buh doan mine me.

    In my ” home and native land ‘ I trying to decide if to vote for a PM who was racially insensitive enough to wear black and brown face.

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  • @ Fearplay

    You have to be very careful with statements like these where you said and I quote

    “…And therein lies the problem that we are creating.

    When the citizen no longer has faith in the courts delivering justice, then the citizen will take justice into their own hands…”

    The last time something like that was said it happened during the Fumble Stewart administration

    It was during the Michael Carry-away-a-ton of money incident.

    And the suggestion of alternative solutions by citizens who get dem money teif by lawyers, utilizing their own justice, cause de courts ENT DOING ONE SHY$E, invoked the wrath of ManyPussy and colleagues.

    Dem even talk bout “killing lawyers being sedition and ting”

    Just as an academic question de ole man wonders what quantity of these lawyers need to get killed, to stop the practice of them teifing client funds?

    Would 4 be a nice round number?

    Here is a Stoopid Cartoon that brings the disturbing practice of commingling client funds to mind.

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  • @ Greene September 23, 2019 8:48 AM

    We recognize your argument(s) regarding the role of the State in certain criminal matters and in the case of minors acting in loco parentis.

    So what would be the factor(s) which would trigger a mandatory investigation by the police where a minor is involved and the parent(s) / guardian refuse to make a formal complaint?

    By monitoring discussions over the Internet/social media?

    The State has a ‘mandatory’ duty of care to minors.

    Along with its ratification of the UNICEF Charter of the Rights of the Child’ its local child care laws require that the relevant agencies exercise this duty in cases where there are allegations of criminal ‘wrong’ against children; even if the parents refuse to make a formal complaint (to avoid embarrassment) or are paid off by the alleged perpetrator(s) to keep their mouths shut.

    Any deviation from this duty of care should result in prosecution of the parent/guardian and even the principals of the agencies tasked with the legal responsibility to protect the rights of the child victim.

    What we would like to hear from you is your position of the Bribery Act and Anti-Money Laundering legislation.

    Whom would you expect to be the ‘complainant(s)’?

    The people involved in the bribe/ money-laundering or the officers ‘manning’ the FIU whose responsibility it is to examine all information on any alleged criminal activity of a financial nature?

    Isn’t that what is done by other crime fighting arms of the same law enforcement agency as is preached by the promoters of the Crimestoppers programme?
    Who are the complainants in these cases involving drug pushing, ‘illegal possession of firearms or even the handling stolen goods?

    The anonymous civic minded person called Joe Bloggs?

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @GreeneSeptember 23, 2019 8:05 AM “someone here posted that the police only need probable cause or some american mumbo jumbo to investigate a matter. wrong. crimes against the person and crimes against property need someone to complain.”

    REASONABLE and PROBABLE cause is NOT American mumbo-jumbo.

    It is is long established legal principle. Much older than 1776, therefore older than the United States of America.

    And as I also pointed out murder victims only rarely lay a complaint.

    Yet murderers are convicted even though the victim has not complained.

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  • Miller…same stinking child rapist the wicked miseducated ministry put him back in contact with vulnerable child victims. Parents should be actively agitating, not just warning other parents..to have that 2 legged animal removed and not sent to another school to rape another child.

    “I got wind of this a couple month back when a past student (now a parent) raised the alarm after seeing him at an orientation session at Foundation school for a new crop of Common Entrance students, and was truly astounded. If this is, indeed, the same case, this “teacher” about 20 years ago intimidated and impregnated at least at one girl and somehow got – away with it. She subsequently suffered a nervous breakdown. The poster said she was a good friend of the victim, who had to leave school, and said it significantly hampered her friend’s life. Meanwhile, incredibly, the teacher suffered no repercussions. The person in question was warning parents about what to expect with him back among the teaching staff.”

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    But maybe you think that the British House of Lords are also repeating AMERICAN mumbo-jumbo.

    No wonder Hal Austin does havta come on here all the time and tell wunna that wunna learnt by rote.

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  • Thought a little more about this John and it has occurred to me that if had been in the position of that teacher and the evidence had been that flimsy and if I KNEW MYSELF TO BE INNOCENT I would have been agitating most visibly and consistently for a trial to clear my name.

    Just saying……….

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @GreeneSeptember 23, 2019 8:05 AM “in reality Bim is no more corrupt that first world countries. i dear [CORRECTION dare} some of the posters here to carry on with US police like how we carry on with Bim police. and dont talk american justice system tell that to afro americans who come up against this justice on a daily basis? someone here posted that the police only need probable cause or some american mumbo jumbo to investigate a matter. wrong. crimes against the person and crimes against property need someone to complain.”

    And before you come here “educating” me on important legal principles, learn what I learnt in Infants B.

    Dear is what you call your spouse. it is also what you call expensive goods. Eg. My dear I love you. The tomatoes are dear today

    Dare is when I challenge you. I dare you to jump off the Golden Gate bridge.

    If the U.S. police and justice systems are corrupt, and “yes” they are corrupt, do we have to follow along? Can’t we do better? Must we not do better?

    Nobody is claiming the Bajans are the most corrupt people on the face of the earth, but any corruption is bad, and must be rooted out.

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    According to the Sunday Sun, a statement by an official of the Ministry of Education “we have to follow the General Orders”

    I have some questions for ths official

    One: are the General Orders DEFECTIVE?

    Two: If the General Orders defective, what is your plan for having the orders fixed so that they are an effective means of regulating the tax paid servants of the people, including your tax paid self?

    Three: This government has a 2/3 majority in both Houses, right?

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  • simple simon

    i have no issues with you correcting my english whatsoever. i would not even submit a defence. knock yourself out.

    in our law we talk about reasonable suspicion or reasonable grounds to suspect for the most part not probable cause. probable cause is american legal lingo that probably amounts to the same thing.

    i (dear or it is dare) challenge you to find more than one appearance of reasonable or probable cause in our law

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  • @ Greene September 23, 2019 10:45 AM

    We (Simple Simon et al) ‘dare’ you, Sleuth Greene, to address the issue involving tips made to the police via the local Crimestoppers programme.

    Why not tell us who would be the needed “complainants” when the police carry out investigations and in some case raids based on ‘tips’ (unsubstantiated hearsay evidence) received via this so-called crime fighting programme?

    In the absence of any ‘known complainant’ on what basis does the police apply for search warrants where suspected evidence is being concealed?

    Of course, My ‘Dear’ Greene, you would avoid (and quite ‘daringly’ so) these questions like how your old boss “Shun A Frog” avoided a pothole by killing a pedestrian.

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @HantsSeptember 23, 2019 9:35 AM “The majority of commenters on this blog are likely to be black Bajans. Two people were accused of bribery and one of accepting a bribe. Yet there is a relentless attack on the ” one ” and a free pass is given to the ” two “. Is it the lighter skin and the ” pretty hair ” of the female.”

    One of the accused was on the taxpayers payroll. Being aud wid we tax money. Very likely still being paid a pension outta we money. That is why he is being given a hard time. We know that we was paying he good good.

    Most people likely do not do any business with ICBL so those non-ICBL people don’t care one way or the other about the hairy woman and the other chappie . Personally I am not into hairy females.

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  • simple simon

    wrt murder- how can a victim complain when he she is dead. that is why i said this in a previous post-crimes like drugs, murder etc for obvious reasons have the crown, state as the complainant / victim

    wrt reasonable grounds to suspect or reasonable grounds for suspecting- this pertains to police powers in searching or arresting a suspect of a crime or to carry out some act pursuant to a suspect. this is where something unlawful may have occurred in the presence of the police or when the police are investigating a crime and encounter the suspect .

    it has v little if anything to do with the commencement of an investigation

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @GreeneSeptember 23, 2019 11:20 AM “simple simon. wrt murder- how can a victim complain when he she is dead.”

    People do not always die on the same day they are injured. And sometimes the injured party lays a complaint, and then dies minutes, hours, days, weeks, or months later.

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  • miller

    who is shun a frog?

    listen man, are you really a Cawmerian?

    when police get tips they are developed. meaning the police go and collect evidence to corroborate the tips. this can come in the form of witness statements or documents.

    same for search warrants- there must be something to base them on. and in any case a search warrant is to get evidence pursuant to a crime

    wrt your previous question re FIU- the FIU in Bim is an intelligence collecting body and in some jurisdictions there is a reporting of any suspicious activity in the FIU’s mandate. the FIU in Bim is not an investigative and any suspicions they have is passed onto the police for action

    as afar as i am aware the Bribery Act at least the one in the UK imposes a condition that if you suspect that a bribe is taking place you must report it to the police. in addition companies must ensure that they have effective and up to date anti bribery policies

    has it not dawned on you that i may be a lawyer and or a DI?

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  • Ahem, that unfortunately is not likely to elicit any trust in your pronouncements, Greene. How many lawyers are in the House of Assembly? Some would now be more convinced that you are not really Greene but red or yellow.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @MrGreene you offer interesting comments filled with details…the fact that you may also mistate or obfuscate those details on occassion is annoying but realitically par for course in blogging. It is misleading (misstated!) To say: “someone here posted that the police only need probable cause or some american mumbo jumbo to investigate a matter.”

    NO. The fact was made that probable cause or suspicion is only needed to investigate a PERSON’s actions NOT a MATTER as in the context of this Donville affair. You can ONLY have a suspicion or deem probanle cause in a MATTER like this based on a preponderance of circumstantial evidence … quite similar yet differing sides of the same criminal law investigation coin!

    The issue of “probable cause” in US or “suspicion of a possible crime” in UK is taught in criminal Law 101(depending on where you are) …that you would label such a BASIC tenent mumbo jumbo is strange, to say the least!

    This conflating of a murder investigation when a body is evident with other criminal matters like fraud and bribery is nonsensical…. the police MUST act when there is clear evidence of a crime being committed (like a homicide)…that’s obvious and its the LAW.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    Aha @Simple at 957AM above…I missed your post…well in fact I started mine prior to your posting and was distracted on other matters before completing and posting …you had already clarified the strange remarks re probable cause from the blogger @Greene!

    It amazes me that although we have (had) a law Dean regularly educating us on the law and drawing our attention to legel dictums in US jurisprudence which had persuasive power on our English common law (from which US laws were also based) that we continue to speak of US legal practices as if there are orphan children totally unrelated to our legal discourse.

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  • Why just recently my attorney, taking me for a fool, told me two crazy “interpretations” of my rights which could easily be debunked with a simple internet search, if I had in fact needed it.

    And the reason why he thought I should listen to him was because “I am speaking to you as an ATTORNEY!” That was supposed to intimidate me so I would not challenge his lies purposely told in his own interests.

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  • Donna
    September 23, 2019 8:58 AM

    Yes John, he could sue the government for the lack of a speedy trial, but how long would it take for that case to be completed?

    Thought a little more about this John and it has occurred to me that if had been in the position of that teacher and the evidence had been that flimsy and if I KNEW MYSELF TO BE INNOCENT I would have been agitating most visibly and consistently for a trial to clear my name.
    Just saying……….

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Guilty or innocent, why not just sit tight, receive the monthly salary for doing nothing and let the failure that is the justice system fail in this individual case.

    Then, work out a deal with the GOB to avoid suing and embarrassing the State!!

    If the educator is guilty, the only loser is the child.

    If innocent, everybody wins!!

    “In his first speech as Chancellor, Hitler emphasized the core value of National Socialism: the individual is nothing outside the State.”

    Socialism sucks!!

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  • let me restate this. the police do not need probable cause or any of the american mumbo jumbo to investigate any offence. reasonable grounds for suspecting pertains to the committing of an offence or to police carrying out an action pertaining to a suspect or some activity of a suspicious nature that has taken place in police presence.

    the reason to investigate comes mostly from some complaint verbally or in writing to police. a person may call the police and report a crime or go to the police and report a crime.

    or the police on patrol may see something that draw their attention like a drug deal or a person with housebreaking implements and their actions may cause police to have reasonable grounds to suspect.

    in the case of a reported crime, from the outcome of talking to the victim and or gathering further evidence police may have rounds for suspecting a crime has been committed and go out searching for the suspect.

    corruption, bribery, fraud are not on the face it matters that readily lend themselves to an investigation without a complaint spelling out what actually happened or was suspected to have have happened by a victim or a complainant- not always the same.

    in a complex matter like inniss’s where there is a suspected payment to a govt minister to facilitate a contract, how would the police know what to look out for without knowing the details of the matter. some say the US case tell us what it is about. yes it does but how can police use it? can they then go to ICBL and ask them to talk when they are the bribers or suspect? can they go to a govt department and ask for records? of course but will said govt department readily hand over such docs and who is going to speak to those documents and tell what they are about?

    wouldnt it be better for a govt official who no doubt have heard the same stories gather the documents, compile the story around the documents and report the matter to the police?

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  • @Greene

    We have reached a point where we are being played for fools by the authority class. The ICBL have shown themselves to be cooperative in this matter. We need our authority figures to act in the interest of the public.

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  • @ Greene September 23, 2019 11:39 AM
    “wrt your previous question re FIU- the FIU in Bim is an intelligence collecting body and in some jurisdictions there is a reporting of any suspicious activity in the FIU’s mandate. the FIU in Bim is not an investigative and any suspicions they have is passed onto the police for action…”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Forget about the “Cawmerian” red herring! Aren’t both you and Hal “cawmerians”?

    Your reference to the local FIU is clear evidence that you have shot yourself in your foot. Who is expecting the FIU to investigate?

    We see it in the same light as the Auditor General’s office. That is, to draw to the attention of the formal investigating agency any financial irregularities that fall under the ambit of the anti-money laundering legislation.

    Isn’t there evidence in the public space that an ‘alleged act’ of money laundering has taken place wrt ICBL and two of its former employees and involving a former minister of the Crown?

    So why not pass on the “suspicions” of money laundering to the “police for action”?

    Can’t you see ‘some’ parallel between the FIU and the de facto police informant called Crimestoppers?

    BTW, do you know if any investigations were carried out with respect to the alleged gun matter (involving a threat to limb and life) between a member of the then Opposition and a former minister of the Crown in the precincts of the HoA despite a formal complaint being made to the police by one of the parties?

    Why can’t you just do what Barbados Undeground Whistleblower does rather well and call a spade a spade even if it involves ‘fingering’ some of your fellow members of the local Bill?

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  • “Why just recently my attorney, taking me for a fool, told me two crazy “interpretations” of my rights which could easily be debunked with a simple internet search, if I had in fact needed it.”

    sigh!!!

    just tell them..look i am on the internet and if you fcuk around, am taking your ass right there with me,…that pretty much cures tham of that shite..

    don’t waste any energy..

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  • miller

    you are all over the place man. i dont see the relevance of any of your submissions. they are tenuous at best and incoherent in the end

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  • @ Greene September 23, 2019 12:30 PM
    “..in a complex matter like inniss’s where there is a suspected payment to a govt minister to facilitate a contract, how would the police know what to look out for without knowing the details of the matter. some say the US case tell us what it is about. yes it does but how can police use it? can they then go to ICBL and ask them to talk when they are the bribers or suspect? can they go to a govt department and ask for records? of course but will said govt department readily hand over such docs and who is going to speak to those documents and tell what they are about?

    wouldnt it be better for a govt official who no doubt have heard the same stories gather the documents, compile the story around the documents and report the matter to the police?”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    There you go again not really knowing what you are trying to sell.

    In other words not knowing your legislation elbow from your bullshitting arse.

    Why don’t you have a read of the local Anti-Money Laundering Act and see what are the duties and responsibilities of the Anti-Money Laundering Authority and its executive body the FIU?

    If you were to play a ‘get-out-of-jail’ card by arguing that the FIU and the official investigating agency do not currently possess the technical expertise -or even esprit de coeur in crime fighting- to perform such work in solving such a sophisticated white collar criminal act, allegedly, (unlike pushing drugs in the Orleans) then we would be prepared to sympathize with your rather weak position.

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  • @ Greene September 23, 2019 1:02 PM

    Of course you would retort in such a manner. Fire back ad hominems instead of plausible replies.

    But remind us the wandering folks, what’s the difference between taking a bribe by a minister of the crown and accepting gifts of surveillance cameras to assist in fighting crime?

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  • Miller

    the Bim FIU is not an investigative body. are you disagreeing with this?

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  • It is not. The unit collects info identify trends and will forward to the police/DPP when required.

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