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The notion that lawyers, and especially judges, know everything is doubtless premised on the variety of determinations the profession is obliged to make as part of its diurnal routine. Is a medical doctor liable for negligence? Did a Minister exercise his or her discretion properly? Did an accused intend to murder the deceased? These are but a few of the decisions that are matters of law and whose answers lie exclusively within the realm of legal theory. Of course, in some matters, a court will be assisted by expert evidence, especially when determining matters that depend on the practice of a particular profession. For instance, medical negligence will be found where the doctor fails to act in accordance with an accepted responsible body of medical practice. What constitutes such is a matter of evidence from a medical expert in the particular area in issue.

A similar determination arose this week in the Caribbean Court of Justice, where, as the highest court in the Guyanese legal system, it was called upon to pronounce on a number of issues concerning the law of governance in that jurisdiction. These arose out of the infamous no confidence motion brought by the parliamentary opposition against the governing coalition administration. I say infamous because it may be recalled that one member of the governing coalition parliamentary group chose to vote against his side and therefore to carry the Opposition motion by a tally of 33 votes to 32.

These matters managed to present a number of legal issues for the Court’s determination; among them, whether there was a difference between a no confidence motion that was not expressly provided for in the Constitution and a motion of confidence that was so provided? What constitutes the majority necessary for the passage of a no-confidence motion and whether the Court had jurisdiction to inquire into the issue of Mr Persaud’s [the MP who voted with the Opposition motion] qualification to be a member of the National Assembly.

Of these issues, I found the first to be the most intriguing and I have written in another capacity more times than one on the very point. The matter became a legal issue because the legal advisors to the governing administration were of the view that first, there was a difference between an absolute majority and a simple majority; and that 33 votes could not constitute a majority in a 65 member Parliament because a majority was half of the total plus one and, since there could not be 0.5 of a vote, half of 65 had to be rounded up to 33 and the added one would give a total of 34. Too besides, they argued further, since 33 was already a majority of 64 members, it could not also be the majority of 65, a grater number. Of course, this assertion took no notice of the reality that 34 was also the majority of 66, itself a greater number than 65.

I argued in one of my writings on the subject last year, relying on the learning in Robert’s Rules of Order that the use of the formula half-plus-one to constitute a majority is apt to cause problems. According to the text, “Suppose in voting on a motion 17 votes are cast. 9 in favor and 8 opposed. Fifty percent of the votes cast is 81/2 so that 50 percent plus one would be 91/3. Under such an erroneous definition of a majority, one might say that the motion was not adopted because it did not receive 50 percent plus one of the voted cast although it was, quite clearly, passed by a majority vote”.

A similar argument appeared to find favour with President Saunders who drew on his judicial experience of what constitutes a majority judgment.

Since the Assembly comprises an odd number, there is no need to imply into the Constitution any formula for defining a majority as being ‘half plus one’. Indeed, as an American judge noted,12 the 50% plus one ruleleads to illogical results when it is applied to odd numbers. So, for example, it is trite that when a Court of Appeal sits as a panel of three, a majority decision is 2:1. The Chief Justice was therefore right when she adjudged that a majority from among 65 members is a minimum of 33.”

It bears remarking that the learned Chief Justice of Guyana had also reasoned likewise although she appeared to base her determination on an obverse application of the golden rule by positing if Persaud had voted against the no-confidence motion, the government would have accepted that the vote count of 33 is the majority of all elected members”.

In support of their argument, the lawyers for the governing administration had cited two authorities from Commonwealth jurisdictions. The CCJ found neither useful. As for the first, from Vanuatu, it related to a circumstance where an even number of members constituted the parliament.

Kilman was a case where the Vanuatu parliament consisted of 52 members. Only 51 voted on a particular motion that required an absolute majority. The result of the vote was 26:25. It was in this context that the court said as is stated above. Twenty-six votes could not carry the motion because what was needed was a majority of 52 and since 52 was an even number, in that specific context that majority could only be obtained via the formula of half the Members of Parliament plus one.

The second authority from Anguilla was also easily distinguished-

In that case the question concerned the number of members necessary to constitute a quorum. The Assembly comprised 11 members. The quorum requirement was two-thirds. Mathematically, two-thirds of 11 yields 7.3. The question was whether to constitute the quorum one should round up to 8 or round down to 7 members. The court held that since the concept of a quorum meant the least number possible for the valid transaction of business, one could not round down to 7 as that number would fall below the mandated quorum of 7.3. One should round up to 8 which would satisfy the quorum condition. Hughes v Rogers, therefore, has no relevance to the question at hand.

To be continued


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307 responses to “The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – Doing Things with Rules”

  1. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    J@ohn A June 23, 2019 6:57 PM “My point is how in a poor economy many who would not ignore rules and laws, now tempted to do so to survive.”

    I don’t know if you have ever gone to the U.S. Embassy to apply for a visa. Well I have. All kinds of people go, teachers, police constables, security guards, clerks, hairdressers, housewives, maids, captains of industry too (lol), maybe even our superstar girl (not calling no names). Most of them get their visa and off they go to visit great aunt Mildred, or great aunt Gertie in New York or to shop at Saw Grass Mills in Florida, where I hear the shopping sweet, sweet, but isn’t in amazing that hundreds or maybe thousands of Bajans go to the U.S. each year, and the only one (that we know of) who has been detained at the border in the last year and not permitted to return home is a Cabinet level official?

    Cabinet level officials as we all know are paid better, much much better than teachers, police constables, security guards, clerks, hairdressers, housewives, maids etc.

    So is it a poor economy that tempts people to do “ignore laws and rules” in order to survive?

    Or is it something altogether different?

  2. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    Actually the above might be a good discussion for the ethics class at BCC.


  3. @ Sir Simple

    As I said some may be tempted not all, but isn’t temptation to steal relevant to ones income in terms of risk to reward?

    In other words to a lower income person they may think the risk to steal $100 is worth it. To others who are ” big up”, the risk to take a chance at $36000 USD may be worth it.

    I think they are 2 types of people that steal. The first may do it out of genuine need. To buy food, pay rent, help a family member etc. Some may do it to support a drug habit even. Those types, a poor economy will push over the edge to act on their desperation. In other words less work days per week, lost of part time income etc. They I think are the majority who steal if one goes by the court pages.

    The second and most despicable type however are the ones that steal out of pure greed and a lack of moral fibre. They don’t need to steal, but they want more and don’t care its origin. They have nice homes and drive big SUVs but that’s never enough. They possess an eternal greed that is unquenchable regardless of their legitimate income.

    Those are the ones that need as we say ” losing way” in prison, but seldom if ever serve 1 day under our current system.

    I will ask you one question and answer me without bias. Do you honestly think if Donville was not being charged in a U.S court, that he would of seen a single charge ever being brought against him locally?

    There in lies the problem with our judicial system. It is designed only to address those criminals below a certain social and economic bracket. The rest get a free pass with only rumours of corruption being levelled against them by their said peers.

    Luckily I still believe most Bajans are decent, honest people and that is why those who steal that don’t need to, should pay the maximum price.


  4. Last John is not me!!

    Got another question for Jeff!!

    If the CCJ decision nullifies Reverend Joe and there is no leader of the opposition, should the “Government” fall and fresh elections be called on the basis that the rule of law is sacrosanct?

  5. Piece the Legend Avatar
    Piece the Legend

    @ the Blogger who posted the link about the court mediation

    Apologies not to have recorded your name but I was 104 posts behind and wanted to read all the submissions WHILE COPYING & PASTING the ones I was going to respond to using a different clipboard.

    Thd article says and de ole man quotes

    “…Starting in September, civil court cases will undergo court-annexed mediation before a judge hears them.

    Chief Justice Sir Marston Gibson made the announcement during his feature address at the Conflict Resolution Solutions: The Principles of Community Mediation and Restorative Practices programme launch by IMPACT at the Valley Resource Centre, Glebe, St George…”

    Let me explain what this mediation trap WILL DO.

    But before I do that I will ask you Peeple & you Sheeple WHO IS THE MEDIATOR GOING TO BE?

    No having asked that Stoopid Question would anyone care to comment on WHAT THE OUTCOME OF ANY CASE GOING TO BE when you are FORCED to OPT IN (heheheheh) to this prescribed Mediation??

    Steupsee!!!

  6. Piece the Legend Avatar
    Piece the Legend

    Yes and for the record I help vote them in hoping to see true change so I cussing myself too all like now.

  7. Piece the Legend Avatar
    Piece the Legend

    @ Simple Simon President for life

    Brilliant!!!

    You said and I quote

    “…I would bet anything that even though the prosecutors “don’t plan to present it when Inniss faces a Brooklyn, New York judge and jury in October.” that they will hold it and present it another day, maybe in November or December.

    If I was a “government official” who had ever taken anything except my pay cheque from anybody, I would not be going anywhere near the U.S.A.

    In fact i would not be going anywhere pass my front door…”

    You are spot on!!

    And the party who gave up Pornville is themselves shitting bricks.

    They were being vindictive BUT THEY DID NOT EXPECT THIS OUTCOME.

    All of them vex with his ass but he is a big wig in Barbados

    The United States is watching the outcome of CH’s trial

    If nothing happens GHEN YOU GOING SEE THD REAL FIREWORKS

    Pornville ‘s matter going be small fry

  8. Piece the Legend Avatar
    Piece the Legend

    Sorry the clipboard thing at 4.42 am is giving a problem

    I wanted to ask John A if after voting them in, hoping for this change, if he will be voting the out in 2023 AND SSSISTING IN VOTHING IN NEW THIRD PARTY MOVEMENT CANDIDATES in competent ones appear?

  9. WURA-WAR-on-U Avatar

    “And the party who gave up Pornville is themselves shitting bricks.

    They were being vindictive BUT THEY DID NOT EXPECT THIS OUTCOME.”

    lol

    we done know that as stupid, cocky and arrogant that he was, he was indeed the fall guy, as deserving of this misery that he is, ya know they set up their own too, to save their own wicked asses, cannibals.

  10. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @John “I will ask you one question and answer me without bias. Do you honestly think if Donville was not being charged in a U.S court, that he would of seen a single charge ever being brought against him locally?”

    No.

    No biases here. Completely unbiased.

    I don’t recall any Bajan Parliamentarian, past or present being ever charged with anything by Barbados’ authorities.

    i can only assume then that they are/have been all angels, sinless.

  11. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @John June 24, 2019 1:43 AM “If the CCJ decision nullifies Reverend Joe and there is no leader of the opposition, should the “Government” fall and fresh elections be called on the basis that the rule of law is sacrosanct?”

    No.

    But I am no legal scholar, not even a pieca one.

    Mark 2:27 “The law was made for man, not man for the law.”

    The law must ALWAYS serve legitimate human needs.


  12. @ Sir Simple

    @ John.

    First John my apologies for using your name at 10.08pm last night I forgot to add the A. Never type when tired.

    SIR Simple like you I guess we are left to conclude they are all angels or that their fellow guardian angels watch over them at all cost.

    As I said the system is designed to address only a certain social and economic class of criminal.


  13. @ The Legend

    I await the offerings of all in 2023, hopefully I will be around and not passed due to the excessive burden of over taxation.

    I am not righting the BLP off yet, hopefully they will realise shortly that BERT has no growth in it and change direction with a new plan. Should that be the case I would listen to their offering also.

    Of course if they do like sinkler and come with a revised Bert plan and when that fails, a revision of the revised plan, well then my X will stay in my wallet.

  14. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @Piece the Legend June 24, 2019 5:13 AM “And the party who gave up Pornville…”

    I don’t believe that any party gave up Donville. I believe that the United States watches ALL Cabinet level officials in ALL countries. Why do you think that the U.S. taxpayers/government spend so much money on foreign affairs? Running an Embassy ain’t cheap. Running near 180 Embassies costs billions of dollars. If the Americans spend billions of dollars, they expect results.

    I believe therefore that the Americans were watching all Bajan Cabinet Ministers. And once they no longer diplomatic immunity if the U.S. has evidence they will act.

    We Bajans are sometimes foolishy, foolishy. We believe in “until death do us part” even if we haven’t seen our spouse for 25 years or more we still believe that we are married. I do believe that some of our officials think that diplomatic immunity is “until death do us part.” It is not. Even if you hold a diplomatic passport, once the votes have been counted and you have lost, then your diplomatic passport is just a useless piece of paper, just as useless as the marriage certificate regarding the spouse you haven’t seen for 25 years.

    Donville of course enjoys the presumption of innocence. I can’t know what the American justice system will decide.

    But in truth he had no business being up in de people country.

    In Barbados we have a saying “cockroach ain have no business at fowl cock dance.” = Do not consort with your enemies.

    Sometimes we forget our culture to our own detriment.

  15. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    And for the uninitiated “Cabinet level officials” are not just actual Cabinet officials. It includes all those who hold diplomatic or official passports, that is it includes senior civil servants as well.

    Once you no longer hold the elected or official position position, the diplomatic passport is useless. You are just like Dave the gardener going to visit great aunt Gertie in Brooklyn, and you better be as clean as Dave.


  16. “Since the Assembly comprises an odd number, there is no need to imply into the Constitution any formula for defining a majority as being ‘half plus one’. Indeed, as an American judge noted,12 the ‘50% plus one rule’ leads to illogical results when it is applied to odd numbers. So, for example, it is trite that when a Court of Appeal sits as a panel of three, a majority decision is 2:1. The Chief Justice was therefore right when she adjudged that a majority from among 65 members is a minimum of 33.”
    It bears remarking that the learned Chief Justice of Guyana had also reasoned likewise although she appeared to base her determination on an obverse application of the golden rule by positing “if Persaud had voted against the no-confidence motion, the government would have accepted that the vote count of 33 is the majority of all elected members”.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    1 is an odd number!!!

    So, 50% of 1 is 1/2.

    1/2 + 1 = 11/2

    11/2 when rounded up gives 2!!

    Therefore a majority in Reverend Joe’s case must be 2!!

    In the case of the Court of Appeal, 1/2 of 3 is 11/2!!

    11/2 rounded up gives 2.

    Therefore a majority in 3 is also 2.

    So it can’t be for 1 … or …. 2, only 3!!!!

    Since this is trite then there needed to have been 3 persons, two besides reverend Joe!!

    Lawyers need to keep away from math because Math is too clear and concise a language and lawyers can’t deal with clarity and precision!!

    All the math means is that 0,1 and 2 cannot work!!!

    You could argue that 2 in 2 is unanimity wo therefore a majority but it would be an unstable situation!!


  17. Forced Mediation in some instances could be unfair unless full discovery is part of the deal.

    Since discovery will be resisted by the side with most to be discovered a legal fight will ensue.

    … same as having a matter heard from the beginning.

  18. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ John at 8 :18 AM

    The mathematical boundaries have been set by the Constitution of Guyana.
    The upper limit is 65 and the lower limit is 1 . In this mathematical problem zero and 66 have no significance. One does not select a zero member of Parliament. There is no vote of zero. There is no half member of Parliament and there can be no half vote.
    The concept of rounding up and down in these scenarios are also ridiculous and idiotic. Just remember mathematics is a tool of analysis not its master or god.

  19. WURA-WAR-on-U Avatar

    Only a wicked, corrupt, slaveminded government would put themselves in a position to do business with a vile, repulsive slave trader country like Morocco..don’t matter how they try to dress it up with bullshit about SADR autonomy and Saharan independence, these are AND WILL ALWAYS BE… disgusting slave traders who see black people as slaves and always will, WHO HATE BLACK SKIN PEOPLE AND ALWAYS WILL…they are the trash on earth……they traffic their own people because that is all they have ever known for thousands of years…what do you think they will do with your dumb greedy asses, hope they put all of you trailer park trash of parliament…. in CHAINS…

    https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2017/12/235590/morocco-global-modern-slavery-index/?fbclid=IwAR2r4686Y1Ihgk6Or2wuNOcTw8bwqyzYZHazBTHTQHxPJh_0Q757zfSTAg0country


  20. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife
    June 24, 2019 7:39 AM

    @John June 24, 2019 1:43 AM “If the CCJ decision nullifies Reverend Joe and there is no leader of the opposition, should the “Government” fall and fresh elections be called on the basis that the rule of law is sacrosanct?”
    No.
    But I am no legal scholar, not even a pieca one.
    Mark 2:27 “The law was made for man, not man for the law.”
    The law must ALWAYS serve legitimate human needs.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Since you are a Biblical Scholar I wonder if yo could give an interpretation of this verse.

    Matthew 18:20 King James Version (KJV)

    20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them

  21. WURA-WAR-on-U Avatar

    ” I do believe that some of our officials think that diplomatic immunity is “until death do us part.” It is not. Even if you hold a diplomatic passport, once the votes have been counted and you have lost, then your diplomatic passport is just a useless piece of paper, just as useless as the marriage certificate regarding the spouse you haven’t seen for 25 years.”

    Same goes for the criminals with their pimp sirs and prostitute dame titles aka the SHITEHOODS, they don’t think they can be REFUSED ENTRY in other people’s countries..

    … they think they got it made…once their corruption, selling out and tiefing and gun and drug trafficking get them these uppity titles..from the corrupt of parliament


  22. SS

    I am wondering if it may mean that when Reverend Joe decided on who was the majority leader of the opposition that God may not have been present in his deliberations … but how would I know.


  23. President Simple…ya see what happens when ya having a private conversation in a restaurant and the lowlife government who love to insert themselves in EVERYTHING…cause they are greedy, love to tap people’s phones, love to wire restaurants they have part ownership in FOR SOUND…..love to OWN EVERYTHING AND THEIR OWN BLACK PEOPLE MUST HAVE NOTHING…

    ..ah wonder if president Enuff was there listening too cause ah remember what they did to poor Rolerick Hinds….on BU and won’t stop, drove the poor man to a hospital bed…wicked people..

    ……gone and pick up a goddamn private conversation…only to make themselves LOOK WORLDWIDE STUPID…and DANGEROUS TO THEIR OWN PEOPLE…and as we have been saying all along, this government is a THREAT TO BLACK PEOPLE, especially to very vulnerable women and children……protect your families…

    well…now we gotta watch how we are talking in restaurants..wuhloosss…lol, lol


  24. Simply horrifying, but at least we know that PM Browne will tolerate no corruption whatever in Antigua
    so this one is so outta luck.lol
    https://www.facebook.com/1475836952667434/posts/2296144183970036/?sfnsn=mo


  25. Is that the same Bush Hall they had a shoot out
    Is that the same Bush Hall police investigating 2 burnt bodies
    But look wuh barbados come to doah
    Govt stop hiding come out and say something any thing


  26. @ Mariposa

    Is that the same Bush Hall they had a shoot out
    Is that the same Bush Hall police investigating 2 burnt bodies
    But look wuh barbados come to doah
    Govt stop hiding come out and say something any thing
    Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    ARE YOU INSINUATING THESE 2 PEOPLE WERE MURDERED?


  27. What passes as scholarly is often unadulterated nonsense.
    “1 is an odd number!!!

    So, 50% of 1 is 1/2.

    1/2 + 1 = 11/2

    11/2 when rounded up gives 2!!

    Therefore a majority in Reverend Joe’s case must be 2!”


  28. Seems from police reports
    They are running an investigation
    Not my words as of yet no determination has been said that the cause was electrical or done through negligence
    Police launching an investigation as to cause suggest police is looking to another cause or source


  29. Police are investigating after an elderly woman and her son died in a house fire at a residence located at 1st Avenue, Alleyne Land, Bush Hall, St Michael, Saturday night.
    Police say the residence, a three bedroom wood and wall house, was destroyed in the blaze around 9:45 p.m.
    Barbara Ira Forde 82, and her son Carlton Forde, 53, were both at the residence when the fire of unknown origin started. They both perished in the blaze.
    The Chief Fire Officer along with Divisional Officer Fields, Station Officer King, two Leading Fire Officers and five other officers and two tenders responded from the Probyn Street Fire Station.
    Police say investigations are at a very sensitive stage.
    Anyone with knowledge which may assist in this matter may contact District A Police Station at 430 7242 / 430 7246


  30. Simple division and multiplication exercise’
    ********************************************Majority
    1 divided by 2 = 0 remainder 1 0+1=1;
    2 divided by 2 = 1 remainder 0 1+1=2;
    3 divided by 2 = 1 remainder 1 1+1=2;
    4 divided by 2 = 2 remainder 0 2+1=3;
    .
    .
    .

    65 divided by 2 = 32 remainder 1 32+1=33;
    66 divided by 2 = 33 remainder 0 33+1=34;
    In the above 66 is the dividend, 2 is the remainder, 33 is the quotient, 1 is the remainder
    (It’s not rocket science – always take the quotient and add 1
    Tired of seeing sill BS


  31. Simple division and multiplication exercise’
    **************************Majority
    1 divided by 2 = 0 remainder 1 0+1=1;
    2 divided by 2 = 1 remainder 0 1+1=2;
    3 divided by 2 = 1 remainder 1 1+1=2;
    4 divided by 2 = 2 remainder 0 2+1=3;
    .
    .
    .

    65 divided by 2 = 32 remainder 1 32+1=33;
    66 divided by 2 = 33 remainder 0 33+1=34;
    In the above 66 is the dividend, 2 is the DIVIDER, 33 is the quotient, 1 is the remainder
    (It’s not rocket science – always take the quotient and add 1
    Tired of seeing silly BS

  32. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    RE Mark 2:27 “The law was made for man, not man for the law.”

    The law must ALWAYS serve legitimate human needs.

    THIS IS RUBBISH THIS CONCLUSION DOES NOT AT ALL STATE THE PURPOSE OF THE MOSAIC LAW, WHICH IS WHAT JESUS WAS SPEAKING ABOUT

    TO ADDRESS JESUS’ REMARKS IN Mark 2:27 “The law was made for man, not man for the law.” ONE MUST RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH, AND ACCURATELY DEFINE WHAT IS MEANT BY “THE LAW” INSTEAD OF SHOOTING OF THE MOUTH AND ENGAGING IN MORONIC MOUTHINGS AS ABOVE

    GALATIANS 3: 23- 26 EXPLAINS WHAT JESUS WAS SAYING

    But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

    23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

    24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

    25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

    26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

    SCHOOLMASTER IS paedagogos in the Greek, and means child trainer.
    In the Greek and Roman cultures wealthy folk employed paedagogi to teach their children how to behave withing the ambit of their country’s culture, ethics, mores etc. When the child grew up the paedagogos’ job was over.

    Galatians 3 and all the discussions about the law in Romans makes it clear that the purpose of the “law” as used by Jesus in Mark 2:27 was to give man the knowledge of sin. iT IS IN THIS WAY THAT THE LAW WAS MADE FOR MAN.

    Mark 2:27 DOES NOT IN ANYWAY TEACH THE CONCEPT THAT The law must ALWAYS serve legitimate human needs.

    FOLLOW THE WORD LAW IN A STRONG’S CONCORDANCE, AND YOU WILL FIND THAT WHAT I HAVE SAID IS SOUND DOCTRINE THAT CAN NOT BE REFUTED

    It is quite entertaining when certain know it alls on BU, WHO DONT KNOW ANYTHING AT ALL ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE SAYING COME AND SPEW THEIR RUBBISH.


  33. Any news on https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/7901947/united-states-v-inniss/ or can anybody call the press officer of the court?


  34. TheOgazerts
    June 24, 2019 1:02 PM

    Simple division and multiplication exercise’
    ********************************************Majority
    1 divided by 2 = 0 remainder 1 0+1=1;
    2 divided by 2 = 1 remainder 0 1+1=2;
    3 divided by 2 = 1 remainder 1 1+1=2;
    4 divided by 2 = 2 remainder 0 2+1=3;

    65 divided by 2 = 32 remainder 1 32+1=33;
    66 divided by 2 = 33 remainder 0 33+1=34;
    In the above 66 is the dividend, 2 is the remainder, 33 is the quotient, 1 is the remainder
    (It’s not rocket science – always take the quotient and add 1
    Tired of seeing sill BS

    ++++++++++++++++

    What about 0 divided by 2?
    .

  35. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    JOHN

    RE I wonder if yo could give an interpretation of this verse.

    Matthew 18:20 King James Version (KJV)

    20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them

    HERE IS GUZICK’S EXPANSIVE NOTE ON THIS VERSE- IT IS PROPER SCHOLARSHIP- NOT THE RUBBISH YOU WILL GET HERE FROM A BU BRIMBLER.

    IF YOU CHECK PRECEPT AUSTIN ON THIS CHAPTER YOU WILL PROBABLY GET SOME AMAZING UPLIFTING INSPIRING BIBLE COMMENTARY FROM SEVERAL ACCOMPLISHED BIBLE SCHOLARS

    “Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.”

    a. If two of you agree on earth: There is real power in agreement in prayer and in the presence of Jesus. This is exactly what the unrepentant ones miss out on.

    i. In the ancient Greek, agree is literally “to symphonize.” Jesus wants us to complement each other like a great orchestra. “It is a metaphor taken from a number of musical instruments set to the same key, and playing the same tune: here, it means a perfect agreement of the hearts, desires, wishes, and voices, of two or more persons praying to God.” (Clarke)

    ii. “Note the power of combined prayer. There is no excuse for giving up prayer meetings while there are two praying people in the place; for two can prevail with God. Of course, more is needed than a cold agreement certain things are desirable; there must be importunity and faith.” (Spurgeon)

    iii. “There is an accumulated power in united supplication: two do not only double the force, but multiply it tenfold. How soon the gate of mercy opens when two are knocking!” (Spurgeon)

    b. It will be done for them by My Father in heaven: We must take advantage of the power of agreement, which works on the principle related in Deuteronomy 32:30, where one sets a thousand enemies to flight but two set ten thousand enemies to flight. There is real power in the prayer of agreement.

    i. “Perhaps the exact petition which they offer may not apparently be answered. Remember that God often hears the prayer of our prayers, and answers that rather than our prayers themselves; by which I mean, that there is an inner soul within true prayer which is the quickening life of true supplication.” (Spurgeon)

    c. Where two or three are gathered: Jesus here indicated that meetings of His people – indeed, meetings full of power and authority connected to heaven – do not need to be large gatherings. They can be of two or three of His followers at a time.

    i. “Jesus is just as much present in the little congregation as in the great mass meeting … He is not the slave of numbers. He is there wherever faithful hearts meet, however few they may be, for he gives all of himself to each individual person.” (Barclay)

    ii. A meeting of two or three is easy to gather. Someone is always close at hand, and it isn’t hard to find a place to meet.

    iii. “Two or three are mentioned, not to encourage absence, but to cheer the faithful few who do not forget the assembling of themselves together, as the manner of some is.” (Spurgeon)

    This shows us that large numbers are not essential
    This shows us that the rank of the people is not essential
    This shows us that the particular place is not essential
    This shows us that the particular time is not essential
    This shows us that the particular form the meeting should take is not essential
    d. Are gathered together in My name: This shows us that meeting in Jesus’ name is most essential.
    Gathering together in His name means that we are known by Him and by His name
    Gathering together in His name means that He is our point of gathering; we gather around Jesus
    Gathering together in His name means gathering according to the character and nature of Jesus
    Gathering together in His name means gathering in a manner that Jesus would endorse
    e. I am there in the midst of them: This means that Jesus isn’t up front, closer to the minister or the leaders. He is in the midst, there to be close to all. It means that he should be proclaimed and revealed to all. Some people leave a church saying, “They have taken away my Lord, and I don’t know where they have laid Him.”

    i. “Our meeting is in the name of Jesus, and therefore there he is; near, not only to the leader, or to the minister, but in the midst, and therefore near to each worshipper.” (Spurgeon)

    He is in our midst because He is in us.
    He is in our midst because His Word is opened and honored
    He is in our midst and we remember what He did at the cross
    He is in our midst by the presence of His Spirit
    He is in our midst, and that means blessing for His people
    ii. I am there in the midst of them: “None but God could say these words, to say them with truth, because God alone is every where present, and these words refer to his omnipresence … Let it be observed, that Jesus is not among them to spy out their sins; or to mark down the imperfections of their worship; but to enlighten, strengthen, comfort, and save them.” (Clarke)

  36. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    Slave trader countries in the middle east and Africa, FUND TERRORISM..

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1057700304439508&id=100005986451739&sfnsn=mo

    hope u enjoy ya new HUMAN TRAFFICKING DESIGNATION.


  37. “Not my words as of yet no determination has been said that the cause was electrical or done through negligence…… Police launching an investigation as to cause suggest police is looking to another cause or source….”

    Hmmmm……..

    The following excerpt was taken from the September 28, 2017 edition of the Daily Nation:

    The quiet of Elizabeth Village, St Joseph was broken last night when a man met a fiery death in the rural village.

    Police are STILL CONDUCTING INVESTIGATIONS into the CIRCUMSTANCES surrounding the unnatural death of the man who has not yet been identified. His burnt body was discovered sometime after 10:00 pm on Wednesday night.

    According to a statement from Royal Barbados Police Force public relations officer, Inspector Roland Cobbler(ag), police received a report of a person being on fire in Elizabeth Village sometime around 10:42 pm, on Wednesday the 27th of September 2017. On responding to the area, the charred body of a man, believed to be in his sixties (60’s) was discovered lying on his back.

    Investigations into this matter are continuing. Anyone who can provide any information that can assist with these investigations is being asked to contact District ‘F’/Bellplaine at 4332320, or Police Emergency 211, Crime Stoppers at 1800 –TIPS (8477), or the nearest police station. [Quote]

    What are the fundamental differences between the above incident and the one that occurred in Bush Hall a few days ago?

    The police cannot go on a crime scene and immediately determine what caused an incident or death, even if it appears as though the cause is obvious.

    The reason why police are “launching an investigation” ………….. with the help of the crime scene medical examiner, experts from the Barbados Fire Service and police Forensic Scenes of Crime Unit……….

    …………. is to determine what was the actual cause of the fire ……….. if it was deliberate (arson), electrical or through negligence.”

    You need to desist from your obsession of politicizing every issue.


  38. The House of Assembly has a Chaplain and proceedings are started with prayer.

    It fits with the biblical teaching.

    Here are 30 people charged with the interests of the whole nation asking God’s blessing and guidance before they get down to business.

    They pray that when time comes for a division and vote on an issue that God will guide them … or atleast the majority.

    They pray they will do the right thing.

    That is my understanding of the role of prayer in a meeting setting.

    0 cannot be divided nor can 1!!

    .. but 2 or 3 or more can.

    I watched an absolute pantomime unfold as the leaders of one business with which I am involved refuse a request to begin with prayer …. that was in 1987.

    You won’t believe the resulting mess!!

    Start bad, end bad!!

    The thing with prayer and God’s presence is that they unsettle the evil in any members present.

    I actually got to watch it happen and the lengths to which some went to avoid prayer!!

    Quakers on the other hand did not go in for division and voting.

    All found their way to agreement and all worked for a common goal!!

    … and that is possible with God.

    It isn’t necessary to call for a division and a vote in such circumstances.


  39. Bro so u know the reason
    I dont never said i did
    However the police made a statement by which they were asking for public assistance
    I wonder why


  40. Mariposa
    June 24, 2019 11:17 AM

    Is that the same Bush Hall they had a shoot out
    Is that the same Bush Hall police investigating 2 burnt bodies
    But look wuh barbados come to doah
    Govt stop hiding come out and say something any thing

  41. WURA-WAR-on-U Avatar

    AND…DBLP sins against the people…keeps following them..

    https://www.facebook.com/jackie.stewart.965/videos/1057765387766333/?t=0

  42. WURA-WAR-on-U Avatar

    How do they get so damn stupid these fly by night uppity ministers and lawyers….

    …. they start out as goddamn VOTE BEGGARS…begging everyone for votes, but as soon as they are elected…they are SUDDENLY THE BOSSES AND MASTERS OF the majority population …

    goddamn VOTE BEGGARS……

    they are all VERY DANGEROUS AND NEVER TO BE TRUSTED…EVER…

    they better start measuring themselves for handcuffs, cause am sure some of them have bigger hands and feet than others…

    useless negros…useless..


  43. @ John June 24, 2019 3:39 PM
    “The thing with prayer and God’s presence is that they unsettle the evil in any members present.
    I actually got to watch it happen and the lengths to which some went to avoid prayer!!
    Quakers on the other hand did not go in for division and voting.

    All found their way to agreement and all worked for a common goal!!
    … and that is possible with God.”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=

    What kind of one-sided BS are you s(p)inning today?

    Don’t soldiers from both sides of a war say prayers to some supreme being and attend church, chapel, mosque temple or synagogues before marching off to kill each other?

    Aren’t warships and military aircraft launched with all kinds of religious pomp and pageantry?

    Since both sides are praying to the same god shouldn’t every war end in a draw?

    Why don’t you send up a prayer to Yahweh that your egomaniacal friend in the white house would not be so naïve as to let go his pit-bull dog of war in the ME to bomb Iran?

    It would be interesting to see which side of the resulting Armageddon Papa Yahweh would be on.
    That of Isaac or that of Ishmael?


  44. 0 can be divided by every number except by itself (zero) and the result is zero. 0/1=0; 0/2=0′; 0/3=0;
    But why on earth would you be talking about a majority or a minority when you have zero seats.
    At some stage common sense must kick in.

    And as you can see if you have just one person, he is a majority.
    1 divided by 2 = 0 remainder 1 0+1=1;

    And if you have two voters , all two must agree to have a majority.
    2 divided by 2 = 1 remainder 0 1+1=2;

    Of course, you can start what if…. What if there are two people and one man voted?
    Well if there is just one vote, then that is the majority of votes
    What if both don’t vote then you have zero votes…. the motion is not carried

  45. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @John

    I never claimed to be a Biblical scholar…never claimed to be a legal or mathematical scholar.

    Never claimed to be no kind of scholar.

    Lolll!!!

  46. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    There are plenty of real and self proclaimed scholars on this blog.

    You will have to consult one of them.

  47. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @TheOGazerts June 24, 2019 7:09 PM “At some stage common sense must kick in.”

    Not really you now, Theo.

    We can continuing arguing forever about how many angels can dance on the head of a common pin.

    But I int getting that argument neither, since I am no Biblical scholar, ain’t no kind of scholar.


  48. Grasshopper

    Jeff says Robert’s Rules has a formula that is apt to cause problems!!

    “I argued in one of my writings on the subject last year, relying on the learning in Robert’s Rules of Order that the use of the formula half-plus-one to constitute a majority is apt to cause problems.”

    So who was Roberts and when did he come up with these rules?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert%27s_Rules_of_Order

    These rules have been in use since 1876!!

    They work!!

    It is not possible to divide 1 person or 0 persons!!!

    That is common sense.

    It is possible however to divide the number 1 by 2 and get 1/2!!


  49. This is the other division of which I speak.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_of_the_assembly

    One person or zero persons don’t constitute an assembly of opposition members!!

    There has to be 2 or more people present for there to be an assembly to divide!!

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