The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – Doing Things with Rules

The notion that lawyers, and especially judges, know everything is doubtless premised on the variety of determinations the profession is obliged to make as part of its diurnal routine. Is a medical doctor liable for negligence? Did a Minister exercise his or her discretion properly? Did an accused intend to murder the deceased? These are but a few of the decisions that are matters of law and whose answers lie exclusively within the realm of legal theory. Of course, in some matters, a court will be assisted by expert evidence, especially when determining matters that depend on the practice of a particular profession. For instance, medical negligence will be found where the doctor fails to act in accordance with an accepted responsible body of medical practice. What constitutes such is a matter of evidence from a medical expert in the particular area in issue.

A similar determination arose this week in the Caribbean Court of Justice, where, as the highest court in the Guyanese legal system, it was called upon to pronounce on a number of issues concerning the law of governance in that jurisdiction. These arose out of the infamous no confidence motion brought by the parliamentary opposition against the governing coalition administration. I say infamous because it may be recalled that one member of the governing coalition parliamentary group chose to vote against his side and therefore to carry the Opposition motion by a tally of 33 votes to 32.

These matters managed to present a number of legal issues for the Court’s determination; among them, whether there was a difference between a no confidence motion that was not expressly provided for in the Constitution and a motion of confidence that was so provided? What constitutes the majority necessary for the passage of a no-confidence motion and whether the Court had jurisdiction to inquire into the issue of Mr Persaud’s [the MP who voted with the Opposition motion] qualification to be a member of the National Assembly.

Of these issues, I found the first to be the most intriguing and I have written in another capacity more times than one on the very point. The matter became a legal issue because the legal advisors to the governing administration were of the view that first, there was a difference between an absolute majority and a simple majority; and that 33 votes could not constitute a majority in a 65 member Parliament because a majority was half of the total plus one and, since there could not be 0.5 of a vote, half of 65 had to be rounded up to 33 and the added one would give a total of 34. Too besides, they argued further, since 33 was already a majority of 64 members, it could not also be the majority of 65, a grater number. Of course, this assertion took no notice of the reality that 34 was also the majority of 66, itself a greater number than 65.

I argued in one of my writings on the subject last year, relying on the learning in Robert’s Rules of Order that the use of the formula half-plus-one to constitute a majority is apt to cause problems. According to the text, “Suppose in voting on a motion 17 votes are cast. 9 in favor and 8 opposed. Fifty percent of the votes cast is 81/2 so that 50 percent plus one would be 91/3. Under such an erroneous definition of a majority, one might say that the motion was not adopted because it did not receive 50 percent plus one of the voted cast although it was, quite clearly, passed by a majority vote”.

A similar argument appeared to find favour with President Saunders who drew on his judicial experience of what constitutes a majority judgment.

Since the Assembly comprises an odd number, there is no need to imply into the Constitution any formula for defining a majority as being ‘half plus one’. Indeed, as an American judge noted,12 the 50% plus one ruleleads to illogical results when it is applied to odd numbers. So, for example, it is trite that when a Court of Appeal sits as a panel of three, a majority decision is 2:1. The Chief Justice was therefore right when she adjudged that a majority from among 65 members is a minimum of 33.”

It bears remarking that the learned Chief Justice of Guyana had also reasoned likewise although she appeared to base her determination on an obverse application of the golden rule by positing if Persaud had voted against the no-confidence motion, the government would have accepted that the vote count of 33 is the majority of all elected members”.

In support of their argument, the lawyers for the governing administration had cited two authorities from Commonwealth jurisdictions. The CCJ found neither useful. As for the first, from Vanuatu, it related to a circumstance where an even number of members constituted the parliament.

Kilman was a case where the Vanuatu parliament consisted of 52 members. Only 51 voted on a particular motion that required an absolute majority. The result of the vote was 26:25. It was in this context that the court said as is stated above. Twenty-six votes could not carry the motion because what was needed was a majority of 52 and since 52 was an even number, in that specific context that majority could only be obtained via the formula of half the Members of Parliament plus one.

The second authority from Anguilla was also easily distinguished-

In that case the question concerned the number of members necessary to constitute a quorum. The Assembly comprised 11 members. The quorum requirement was two-thirds. Mathematically, two-thirds of 11 yields 7.3. The question was whether to constitute the quorum one should round up to 8 or round down to 7 members. The court held that since the concept of a quorum meant the least number possible for the valid transaction of business, one could not round down to 7 as that number would fall below the mandated quorum of 7.3. One should round up to 8 which would satisfy the quorum condition. Hughes v Rogers, therefore, has no relevance to the question at hand.

To be continued

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @John June 25, 2019 7:59 AM “Until formalities are completed by those who won a seat, there is no Parliament!! One of those formalities is for a meeting of the opposition to elect (choose) a leader!!”

    i din go to no big school, but I hear that a certain big school has a rule “a breach of common sense is a breach of the school rules.”

    Maybe John din go to no big school neider?

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  • Useless Goren…i have been here for 7 years…Jackie has been doing video 1 year, Naked Departure is no more, think she was around about 3 years, heard she is on whatsapp, but i don’t follow them on whatsapp unless someone send s me something.

    I DON’T NEED EITHER OF THEM TO DO WHAT I HAVE DONE…and what am continuing to do HAS BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL…that if you knew you would CRY…..

    and me KNOW…that is what is KILLING YOU WITH ENVY AND JEALOUSY…cause YOU CANNOT EVEN BEGIN TO KNOW WHAT TO DO…and ya can’t show ANY OF US WHAT YOU HAVE CONTRIBUTED ON BU or anywhere else…

    by the way….YA REPEATING YASELF

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  • ya useless on BU…ya very well useless everywhere else..have to depend on others to guide you with their information, experience and intelligence…..(Quote)

    This coming from someone who repeats what she hears Jackie Stewart says and what she reads from other people that post to Facebook and Naked Departure.

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  • RE Hal Austin June 25, 2019 11:00 AM

    @ Vincent

    Is it not more appropriate for the port official to call an ambulance for a sick passenger and they (ambulance professionals) would decide which institution to take the patient to? Was this the case?

    WHY DONT YOU THINK THEY CALLED AN AMBULANCE?
    DO YOU THINK THAT HE WENT BY A DONKEY CART?
    WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IT IS THE JOB OF ambulance professionals TO DECIDE which institution to take the patient to?
    IS IT REALLY IMPORTANT IF THIS WAS THE CASE?

    ON THE SHIP THE ECG SHOWED THAT THE MAN WAS ELDERLY WITH PNEUMONIA, HYPERTENSION AND HAD LBBB. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THAT MEANS, FROM YOUR VAST MEDICAL EXPERIENCE?

    DO YOU KNOW WHAT DISCUSSIONS WERE HELD ON BOARD, AND WHAT ADVICE WAS GIVEN BY THE SHIP’S DOCTOR THAT CAUSED THIS APPARENT BLUE BLOATER TO BE SENT TO A CARDIOLOGIST, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO LANGUISH IN CASUALTY FOR TRIAGE?

    IS IT NOT HILARIOUS TO PLAY WITH MEDICAL ILLITERATES IN THE BU RUM SHOP?

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  • that is what is KILLING YOU WITH ENVY AND JEALOUSY…(Quote)

    How could you say something is killing me with envy and jealousy, yet you say if I KNEW I could cry?

    How could I be jealous and envious of something I don’t know about?

    You have been on BU for 7 years repeating the same useless nonsense about criminal lawyers and politicians stealing from the treasury and pension fund for white minorities, slaves in parliament, Bizzy, COW, Maloney, (it’s a while now you have not spoken about Peter Harris), useless criminal leaders. Your new words are lowlife, set ups and scams (all taken from Stewart’s scrap book).

    YOU HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN REPEATING THE SAME USELESS CRAP FOR SEVEN YEARS.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    This debate reminds me of the unnrpecessary speculative over-wrought opinions on the gas station derriere slapping incident… lots of too-doo while dismissing simple facts!

    This is exactly what lawyers make lots of money debating…but here we are playing word games!

    This gent’s death was unfortunate and his family member is very angry but apart from the arrival of the cruise ship at the Bridgetown port I imagine that for us there is really nothing to distinguish this from the thousands of other similar torts alleged daily… like, por ejemplo, the tourist deaths in DR now making the news!

    Be that as it may, this Brit MP seems to be building a case for legal sanction but why (I didn’t read on) does he raise this matter in the House of Commons…what pray brings this to that level of debate …yes maybe member’s business or whatever is the head for constituent matters… but is this NOT though a private litigation matter??

    Oh, some excerpts set the legal battle ground and others paint a rather painful picture of this doctor’s motivations:

    Battle legal… “Through an ECG, it was diagnosed that Gordon had a left bundle branch block…The doctor also performed troponin tests and categorically confirmed that Gordon had not had a heart attack…Despite the high blood pressure and the left bundle branch block, because Gordon’s troponin tests were negative, there was not sufficient evidence to suggest that Gordon had had a heart attack or was at risk of having a heart attack. This is a very significant point, in relation to the actions that happened next when Gordon and Jackie were disembarked in Barbados and where they consequently were sent for medical treatment.” ——- AND ——-

    “• Left bundle branch block most often occurs as a result of some underlying heart problem….Left bundle branch block mainly affects older adults. ……..89 percent of the people who developed left bundle branch block were subsequently diagnosed with some form of significant cardiovascular disease….What this means is that anyone, of any age, who is found to have left bundle branch block should have a cardiac evaluation to look for underlying heart disease.”

    VRS… “On arrival at the clinic, Jackie was asked to pay US$10,000 before the clinic would admit or treat Gordon…. …Gordon’s children arrived in Barbados to assist their parents. At that point, Gordon was on a nasal cannula and an antibiotic drip, but had received no further treatment during the three days since being admitted to the clinic… […] Yet there were still more delays, not least when the family were then presented with a bill for $45,000 and advised that Dr Sparman would not perform the surgery without the money first” …. …. “The Sparman clinic is actually a doctor’s surgery with a waiting area, one small operating theatre …and an observation room which doubles as a patient bedroom and intensive care unit and contains mostly wooden and soft furniture.”… AND

    “Within the Caribbean, Barbados is regarded as a favoured destination for regional patients, particularly for those from smaller islands lacking advanced diagnostic and treatment facilities and the capacity to offer to treat high-risk patients…[…] according to our interviewees, the public Queen Elizabeth Hospital is the primary health care destination for regional patients.[…] Consultants at the Queen Elizabeth Hospital…have the ability to admit private patients such as ill vacationers not covered by the island’s public system”.”

    So in sum, he was taken to a private clinic were he was gouged to the tune of $55K and not treated properly for days whereas he could have attended a premier regional hospital center and be attended ‘freely’.

    Seems like a royal legal fight without our unpleasant, unnecessary cussing AND speculation!

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  • wuh as i said…it was just a matter of time..when ya reputation is iffy…ya are an easy target…patients, in my experience can be in hospital for pneumonia for up to 6 months, ya don’t have to have a medical degree to know this… double pneumonia in an 86 year old…even worse….that man should have been medivac back to UK…

    Sparman will now smell some hell, even if he was not directly responsible…

    “ROGER PARISH
    ALFRED SPARMAN IS NOT A CARDIC SURGEON, You all talking crap about the QEH, a place where lot of OPERATIONS are done each day and top OPERATIONS, from BYPASS SURGERIES, TO KIDNEY TRANSPLANTS, NEUROSURGERY, AND OTHER CARIBBEAN COUNTRIES MAKE USE OF THESE SERVICES,, The SPARMAN CLINIC, is not a HOSPITAL, it a clinic and no MAJOR PROCEDURES should be done there,,and this man isnt the only person who dies there, if you all remember a man from TRINIDAD died there and SPARMAN refused to give back the son medical supplies which were bought for his dad from personal money, and this was a big story in the news,
    There is a case with a patient where DR ALFRED SPARMAN did and he was to put in a STENT in the person, which he never did, and when that person went to the hospital to get an operation and brought the notes and XRAYS were done to see where the STENT was there were no STENT,, the person said he showed them what he was doing on the screen, and showed the incision as well, but he was playing a video of the same procedure, another man went to have a STENT put in and after was told that he should go and get an XRAY to be sure it was done, and there was no STENT, and up to this day the man is still trying to get back his money, SPARMAN put in pace makers under your skin which you dont need and which aint functioning, ALFRED SPARMAN SHOULD BE BEHIND BARS,
    I hope that none of you all who are BAD MOUTHING THE QEH NEVER EVER GO THERE FOR TREATMENT, HERE IN THE USA THE GOVERNMENT RUN HOSPITAL ARE AS GOOD AS THE QEH, AND THE WAITING TIME CAN BE LONGER, AND JUST LIKE THE QEH, MANAGEMENT OF THESE SAME USA GOVERNMENT RUN HOSPITALS ARE TRYING TO CUT DOWN ON WAITING TIME, SO YOU ALL GO AND DO YOUR RESEARCH, YOU THINK ITS EASY TO MAKE A DIAGNOSE, THINK IT JUST WALKING IN AND GIVING SOME PILLS AND A STICK IN THE BUTT,, YOU ALL MAKE ME SICK,
    i am in the health sector and i am now in administrator positions, and i worked in many hospital in the USA and CANADA, and i know what i am talking about, VERDAMMTER IDIOTS, VERDAMMTE FOTZE”

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  • wuhloss…look at trouble, wuh it is a good thing i don’t take prisoners…lol

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  • Vincent Codrington
    June 25, 2019 8:44 AM

    @ John
    Sometime in mid 1950s, members of the BLP crossed the floor after forming a new Party the DLP. Sometime in the late 1980s four members of the DLP crossed the floor after forming the NDP. What is so different when Rev. Atherly crossed the floor and became the sole opposition member?

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    There is no floor to cross in the case of Reverend Joe!!!

    There was no parliament … still no parliament if the truth be known!!

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  • @John

    Your bone of contention is understood by this blogmaster. The parliament was not legal because there was no MP elected by the people to represent the Opposition and by extension the Senate.

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @Pedantic at 12:19 “he was taken to a private clinic were he was gouged to the tune of $55K and not treated properly for days whereas he could have attended a premier regional hospital center and be attended ‘freely’.”

    How do we know that $55K is a gouging?

    How do we know how much if any of the $55K was actually paid?

    If some of the $55k was paid do we know whether the family has received a reimbursement from an insurance company?

    Treatment at the QEH is not free. It costs tens of millions or hundreds of millions of dollars to run the QEH every year. That is not free money. That is money coming from taxpayers like me.

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  • I always seem to have a BU tick or parasite who has nothing to contribute to the human rights abuses against the population….and thefts of people properties, taxpayers and pensioners money, real issues… latching on to me….i have had many over the years and when i finally PULL THEM OFF….THEY BLEED…i like blood…lol

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @WURA-WAR-on-U June 25, 201912:27 PM “that man should have been medivac back to UK…”

    How much does it cost to Medevac a patient 4,209 miles, 8.5 or more hours by air? And then further transport that patient by ambulance or helicopter to the best hospital [for his condition] in the U.K?

    Who pays?

    Is this something the British National Health Service is willing or ABLE to pay for? If not why not?

    I honestly don’t think that this is something the Barbadian or British taxpayer should be asked to pay for.

    And if the NHS is willing and able to pay, do they do it for every British subject every where in the world, or only for the kin of Parliamentarians?

    So many questions.

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  • SirSimple…we talking the relative of a UK MP here. bet you they will find more money than that to sue and keep it in the court system where ever it’s filed indefintely ….even if it cost them a few millions…just to make a point…personally i have no sympathy for the shitty Barbados government…scum that they are…they are so deserving of embarrassment…more embarrassment……unfortunately it’s the taxpayers now in the firing line for payment should a claim be successful….

    and look what keeping him i suppose in the Sparman clinic for i believe i read he died after 26 days caused…cause he certainly was not at QEH…..

    and…as i said…young people with pneumonia spend up to 6 months and even longer in some cases in hospital…this dude was gong to pop off at any time, he was totally compromised…

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  • i suppose it is a lesson learned…ill tourists…get them off the island back to their country…

    There was a reciprocity agreement between UK and Barbados where UK tourists could once walk into QEH for healthcare and Bajan travelers could go to UK hospital if they became ill, but the british with their uppity shite stopped it, i suppose when they created the racist hostile environment for Windrush Caribbean people they decided to be all round nasty…….so there is no reason to keep sick british people on any of the islands let them go home….

    cause the Windrush generarion built UK and cannot get any healthcare there, they cannot get any jobs and they lost everything…what are sick british people doing in the Caribbean….especially in Barbados.

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  • WINDRUSH GENERATION.

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  • And that is what shitehounds like Useless Goren can’t stand about me……lol

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  • Short memories will cost you your lives, cause ya leaders are USELESS.

    I see the joker GP on Barbadostoday calling people medical illiterates as is his want, but apparently no one including him remembered that reciprocal agreement Barbados and UK had, so if British tourists start dying in Barbados, it is because the UK was playing their nasty racist games against black Caribbean people in UK, in Barbados and the Caribbean…and it BACKFIRED…

    let me seeing them winning any claim against that back drop..lol

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    Mr Blogmaster, respectfully but why are you supporting spurrious circuitious logic that falters on its own circular self support…particularly when this was debated at length previously and the Dean affirmed (as I recall certainly) that the GG was on legal (constitutional) solid ground in accepting Atherley’s role as LofO.

    This matter has not been tested in a court of law so I presume you and John can propose any wayward reasoning and call other contrary views themselves wayward but to reuse an earlier reference, in so making your points one presumes that there is no breach of common sense!

    You said: …[y]our bone of contention is understood … The parliament was not legal because there was no MP elected by the people to represent the Opposition and by extension the Senate.

    WHERE in the Bdos constitution does it state that a parliament is ONLY legal when an OPPOSITION MP is elected by the people…EMPHASIS on opposition party MP?

    If you or John can cite the clause asserting thst spurrious claim I will shut up as spewing folly…if not please then you both stop spewing folly.

    The clause that captures my thinking states basically that the GG acting on advise on LofO will appoint 2 of the 21 senators … was that NOT achieved?

    Quibbling about HOW the LofO was created/selected/whatever is moot and now irrelevant unless a court of law deems it null n void…thus the spiel about how or what or who crossed a FLOOR or the FLOOR has no bearing on anything.

    Can we debate sensibly and factually and end the chatter for chatter sake about numbers!

    @Simple that applies to you too, oh person who loves to quibble on rather simple stuff! I used to term gouge and free to highlight the stance being made by the Brit MP…and you are smart enough to grasp that… so stop the word games.

    Of course the QEH is NOT FOC…but just as obviously no patient is obligated to put up those sums of money before receiving care…and whether the family was reimbursed by insurance is NOT the point the MP is making and again YOU fully understand that… pls cut out the BS, fah real!

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  • @Dee Word

    You did premise your last comment by saying the matter has not been tested in court?

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    … But David it was completed by our Parliament the highest legislative branch of our democratic constitutionally driven nation!

    So unless and until that legal test is done one has to review this rationally based on CURRENT interpretations of the laws of the land (constitution) and the fact that this is NOW the law!

    Further, no where in that document under ‘Parliament’ are the views offered by John and supported by you presented in whole or in division by 2, 3 or anything..just not there… nothing there that suggests that THIS parliament is illegally constituted …nothing!

    What/where are the interpretations for your support of this ‘make believe stuff?

    Lata. I gone until.

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  • WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    https://barbadostoday.bb/2019/06/25/no-backdoor-business/

    Did the wickedly slaveminded in this article head of pharmaceuticals bother to tell Bajans that the synthetic marijuana on the formulary IS POISONOUS AND KILLS PEOPLE IN US…

    not this slave, but he is all ready to lock up black people and Mia is yet to issue one permit or license so people can plant, grow and sell, but her business partner…nature’s discount is still selling CBD oil..

    you goddamn demons….ya should be drawn and quartered…

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  • The issue was debated in the British Parliament last Thursday after being introduced by Member of Parliament Alec Shelbrooke whose father-in-law Gordon Spencer died at the Sparman Clinic on February 13 this year, 26 days after his arrival for treatment.

    https://barbadostoday.bb/2019/06/25/british-backlash-over-death/

    Did the man die at the Sparman Clinic or BarbadosToday reported erroneously ?

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  • Where else would he have died, he could not go to QEH….thanks to the RACIST BRITISH AND THEIR HATRED OF BLACK PEOPLE…especially from the Caribbean….so naturally Sparman is now the fall guy……for that shite…engineered by the british…

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  • wuh as i said…it was just a matter of time..when ya reputation is iffy…ya are an easy target…patients, in my experience can be in hospital for pneumonia for up to 6 months, ya don’t have to have a medical degree to know this… double pneumonia in an 86 year old…even worse….that man should have been medivac back to UK…
    Sparman will now smell some hell, even if he was not directly responsible…
    “ROGER PARISH
    ALFRED SPARMAN IS NOT A CARDIC SURGEON, You all talking crap about the QEH, a place where lot of OPERATIONS are done each day and top OPERATIONS, from BYPASS SURGERIES, TO KIDNEY TRANSPLANTS, NEUROSURGERY, AND OTHER CARIBBEAN COUNTRIES MAKE USE OF THESE SERVICES,, The SPARMAN CLINIC, is not a HOSPITAL, it a clinic and no MAJOR PROCEDURES should be done there,,and this man isnt the only person who dies there, if you all remember a man from TRINIDAD died there and SPARMAN refused to give back the son medical supplies which were bought for his dad from personal money, and this was a big story in the news,
    There is a case with a patient where DR ALFRED SPARMAN did and he was to put in a STENT in the person, which he never did, and when that person went to the hospital to get an operation and brought the notes and XRAYS were done to see where the STENT was there were no STENT,, the person said he showed them what he was doing on the screen, and showed the incision as well, but he was playing a video of the same procedure, another man went to have a STENT put in and after was told that he should go and get an XRAY to be sure it was done, and there was no STENT, and up to this day the man is still trying to get back his money, SPARMAN put in pace makers under your skin which you dont need and which aint functioning, ALFRED SPARMAN SHOULD BE BEHIND BARS,
    I hope that none of you all who are BAD MOUTHING THE QEH NEVER EVER GO THERE FOR TREATMENT, HERE IN THE USA THE GOVERNMENT RUN HOSPITAL ARE AS GOOD AS THE QEH, AND THE WAITING TIME CAN BE LONGER, AND JUST LIKE THE QEH, MANAGEMENT OF THESE SAME USA GOVERNMENT RUN HOSPITALS ARE TRYING TO CUT DOWN ON WAITING TIME, SO YOU ALL GO AND DO YOUR RESEARCH, YOU THINK ITS EASY TO MAKE A DIAGNOSE, THINK IT JUST WALKING IN AND GIVING SOME PILLS AND A STICK IN THE BUTT,, YOU ALL MAKE ME SICK,
    i am in the health sector and i am now in administrator positions, and i worked in many hospital in the USA and CANADA, and i know what i am talking about, VERDAMMTER IDIOTS, VERDAMMTE FOTZE”(Quote)

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  • Twenty one years ago a black Barbadian robber shot a white female British tourist through the heart in a robbery attempt.

    A Black Barbadian doctor operated and saved her life.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/187272.stm

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  • I personally would not choose Dr. Sparman as my doctor!!

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  • John
    June 25, 2019 4:57 PM

    Twenty one years ago a black Barbadian robber shot a white female British tourist through the heart in a robbery attempt.
    A Black Barbadian doctor operated and saved her life.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/187272.stm

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    … and a few years ago the DPP, Charles Leacock went to America for surgery and died.

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  • “Gordon was repatriated to the UK and admitted to the Leeds General Infirmary early on Tuesday 28 January.

    He died on 13 February”

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @WURA-WAR-on-U June 25, 2019 1:40 PM “we talking the relative of a UK MP here.”

    It shouldn’t matter. Not even if it was QE2 herself.

    My question to you still stands: Is the British National Health Service willing and able to pay to do a a 4,000+ mile, 8 1/2 hour medevac for every single British subject who becomes sick while they are abroad?

    Or should they do it only for Parliamentary relatives, while the subjects who pay the taxes to fund the NHS are left out?

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  • Well Madame President…the british made so many billions, trillions and quadrillions, yep that is a way to quantify money…… off the BACKS OF OUR ANCESTORS AFRICAN…that they should not only fund the healthcare of their traveling whites and others from UK….but they should DAMN WELL FUND OUR HEALTHCARE…cause am not forgetting for one second that they TIEF MINE AND OTHERS BRITISH CITIZENSHIP…those of us born in the Caribbean before independence…that they couldn’t KILL..

    and there is no way i will apply for that british passport….not when i could beat them over their heads with their own thefts…..most likely for many years to come.

    as a matter of fact those scum, should be funding the healthcare of Caribbean black people for 400 hundred years….how bout that.

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  • @Hants

    The full details about this incident are not known by the public.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler
    June 25, 2019 3:06 PM

    … But David it was completed by our Parliament the highest legislative branch of our democratic constitutionally driven nation!
    So unless and until that legal test is done one has to review this rationally based on CURRENT interpretations of the laws of the land (constitution) and the fact that this is NOW the law!
    Further, no where in that document under ‘Parliament’ are the views offered by John and supported by you presented in whole or in division by 2, 3 or anything..just not there… nothing there that suggests that THIS parliament is illegally constituted …nothing!
    What/where are the interpretations for your support of this ‘make believe stuff?
    Lata. I gone until.

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    You may have missed it but the crux of the blog is the decision of the CCJ!!

    The CCJ decision addressed majorities!!!

    In so doing has it rendered the Barbados Government unconstitutional?

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  • … in other words, Parliament, whether real or imagined, is not above the law of the land and the CCJ cannot be ignored!!

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  • David
    June 25, 2019 6:50 PM

    @Hants
    The full details about this incident are not known by the public.

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    I had a scan here in Barbados and was sent to a cardiologist pronto … Right side Artery in heart (has a proper name but I forget) looked iffy!!

    The issue was uncovered completely by accident!!

    I had a choice of Trinidad or elsewhere to have an angiogram as it could have been possible that a stent was necessary.

    Went to Melbourne … Florida!!

    The Sparman Clinic was not a consideration even though it offered the service in Barbados!!

    Many Bajans go to Dr. Croft in Melbourne so it wasn’t difficult to get the info needed!!!

    I felt fine, was active and the last thing I would have imagined I had was heart disease.

    I found out the Left side Artery is known as the widow maker.

    An issue with this side is often curtains.

    I think one side brings in the blood from the body and the other side sends it back out … the layman’s understanding.

    So, I had a catheter inserted (or so I was told) and pictures were taken of the operation of my heart as dye was injected.

    Dr. Croft was at my bedside when I woke up … with diagrams and excited!!!

    He told me my Right side Artery was 100% blocked but he decided not to put in a stent.

    He told me my heart had performed its own bypass and he could not do a better job!!

    He drew me something called a Shepherd’s Crook to explain what had happened inside my heart and where the block had occurred.

    That was 5 years ago.

    All I could do was (and is) praise the Lord!!

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  • A few months after a friend from the walks also had heart issues.

    He was extremely active but all of a sudden his ability to exercise disappeared.

    He was in Melbourne by the weekend.

    Left side artery, four stents.

    He “died” on the table!!

    He is in his 80’s now, I think 86!

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  • My friend told me that Dr. Croft told him that if he had “died” in the lobby of the hospital waiting the procedure and not on the table there would have been nothing that could have been done for him.

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  • My primary care physician who had referred me to the local cardiologist told me that he had heard of cases like mine but had never seen one.

    Turns out that week he had 2!!

    Another patient was referred to a cardiologist and went to Trinidad, with the same results, heart performed its own bypass.

    Dr. Sparman is a dog with a bad name but it is possible the patient received the proper care and attention.

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  • What is collateral circulation?
    Collateral circulation is a network of tiny blood vessels, and, under normal conditions, not open. When the coronary arteries narrow to the point that blood flow to the heart muscle is limited (coronary artery disease), collateral vessels may enlarge and become active. This allows blood to flow around the blocked artery to another artery nearby or to the same artery past the blockage, protecting the heart tissue from injury.

    https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/17063-coronary-arteries

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  • Heart disease is common in Barbados!!

    Just because you feel fine and get fantastic exercise does not mean you don’t have it!!

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  • Dr. Croft told me I had a cardiac event some time past.

    The only time I could remember having chest pains was 8 years previous and it was diagnosed as acid reflux.

    However, I was diagnosed with sleep apnea after the angiogram and use a CPAP machine.

    I think it is more likely sleep apnea could have been the culprit.

    https://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-health/how-sleep-apnea-affects-the-heart

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  • My bet is the QEH does not do angiograms and does not insert stents but I could be wrong.

    Things could have changed in the five years since I had my angiogram

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @John, respectfully sir but u are talking nonsense.

    Can you PLEASE explain what determination of the CCJ ruling on the matter of the majority re the Guyana no confidence fracas in any way speaks to the Bajan matter of selecting a LofO and the related matters.

    Again respectfully you have these long discourses with yourself here on the blog and introduce your own non-sequitars to support rather improbable points.

    Why don’t you define and give some chapters and verses of this current nonsequitar because this “The CCJ decision addressed majorities!!!…In so doing has it rendered the Barbados Government unconstitutional?” is not valid….

    … Oh dear, you are punting it as a query I now realize…. Same thing though it does not make sense.

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife
    June 25, 2019 1:13 PM

    @WURA-WAR-on-U June 25, 201912:27 PM “that man should have been medivac back to UK…”
    How much does it cost to Medevac a patient 4,209 miles, 8.5 or more hours by air? And then further transport that patient by ambulance or helicopter to the best hospital [for his condition] in the U.K?
    Who pays?
    Is this something the British National Health Service is willing or ABLE to pay for? If not why not?
    I honestly don’t think that this is something the Barbadian or British taxpayer should be asked to pay for.
    And if the NHS is willing and able to pay, do they do it for every British subject every where in the world, or only for the kin of Parliamentarians?
    So many questions.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    … and … it is possible his medical condition precluded travelling by air!!

    So the only choice may have been Barbados for medical treatment!!!!

    But, where?

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  • Battle legal… “Through an ECG, it was diagnosed that Gordon had a left bundle branch block…The doctor also performed troponin tests and categorically confirmed that Gordon had not had a heart attack…Despite the high blood pressure and the left bundle branch block, because Gordon’s troponin tests were negative, there was not sufficient evidence to suggest that Gordon had had a heart attack or was at risk of having a heart attack. This is a very significant point, in relation to the actions that happened next when Gordon and Jackie were disembarked in Barbados and where they consequently were sent for medical treatment.” ——- AND ——-
    “• Left bundle branch block most often occurs as a result of some underlying heart problem….Left bundle branch block mainly affects older adults. ……..89 percent of the people who developed left bundle branch block were subsequently diagnosed with some form of significant cardiovascular disease….What this means is that anyone, of any age, who is found to have left bundle branch block should have a cardiac evaluation to look for underlying heart disease.”
    VRS… “On arrival at the clinic, Jackie was asked to pay US$10,000 before the clinic would admit or treat Gordon…. …Gordon’s children arrived in Barbados to assist their parents. At that point, Gordon was on a nasal cannula and an antibiotic drip, but had received no further treatment during the three days since being admitted to the clinic… […] Yet there were still more delays, not least when the family were then presented with a bill for $45,000 and advised that Dr Sparman would not perform the surgery without the money first” …. …. “The Sparman clinic is actually a doctor’s surgery with a waiting area, one small operating theatre …and an observation room which doubles as a patient bedroom and intensive care unit and contains mostly wooden and soft furniture.”… AND
    “Within the Caribbean, Barbados is regarded as a favoured destination for regional patients, particularly for those from smaller islands lacking advanced diagnostic and treatment facilities and the capacity to offer to treat high-risk patients…[…] according to our interviewees, the public Queen Elizabeth Hospital is the primary health care destination for regional patients.[…] Consultants at the Queen Elizabeth Hospital…have the ability to admit private patients such as ill vacationers not covered by the island’s public system”.”
    So in sum, he was taken to a private clinic were he was gouged to the tune of $55K and not treated properly for days whereas he could have attended a premier regional hospital center and be attended ‘freely’.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I am no doctor but this is utter rubbish!!

    What happens if QEH doesn’t offer the treatment?

    What if the Sparman Clinic is the only place the treatment is available?

    Dr. Sparman may end up suing a lot of people for defamation!!

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  • he was taken to a private clinic were he was gouged to the tune of $55K

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    What is the cost of a stent?

    They are not cheap!!

    https://health.costhelper.com/stents.html

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  • The parliament was not legal because there was no MP elected by the people to represent the Opposition and by extension the Senate. (Quote)

    David BU

    Come on, don’t be silly, people don’t vote for an opposition. They vote hoping their party members would win and form the government.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @John, don’t retort for the sake of arguing against what I QUOTED… what you describe as “rubbish” were the utterances of the Brit MP as he set out his case for what he alleges is substandard care leading to the death of his father-in-law…… Lawyers will determine what’s rubbish and what is not…NOT us brimblers here.

    That said, use for “beautiful mind” rationally to interpret the data as quoted and stop with the half baked meanderings.

    1.The MP is making a case that the QEH is a premier hospital center with various consultants (experienced doctors) and that it offered a comprensively better option for service that the one room surgery facility of Sparman’s clinic .

    2.Based on what we know from his speech of the situation on WHAT basis are you SURMISING that this premier hospital center called QEH (many Bajans may disagree with the MP, but that’s a another story for another time) did not “offer the treatment” or that “the Sparman Clinic [was] the only place the treatment is available?”.

    What treatment did the man need? Do any of us know?

    It’s possible I presume that it could be available at a two room clinic in Bim and NOT at the multi-faceted main HOSPITAL but therein lies the legal tussle as the MP is asserting that the treatment done was 1]poorly done and delayed as his family was practically held “hostage” for money prior to treatment being provided and 2) that would NOT have happened at the QEH.

    Stop arguing all over the place and simply read the freaking facts or assertions. Maybe they are false and maybe Dr Sparman is being wrongly accused…a civil suit will unearth those facts but for now the basic scenario does NOT support your reasoning!

    Anyhow I done wid this as you are arguing for its sake!

    BTW, I used gouge to highlight the point the MP was asserting re the fee request PRIOR to any treatment being done…that’s NOT HOW DOCTORS ARE SUPPOSED TO PRACTICE their craft!

    As I said above this is not about the cost of Sparman’s service as likely he is worth every penny charged…rather it is HOW the fees were ALLEGEDLY demanded of a gravely ill, weak 86 year old patient….

    I done wid you sir….You obviously too smart for me surely…as you keep shifting and creating new nonsequitars!

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  • Local heart specialist Dr Alfred Sparman has hit back hard against allegations made in the United Kingdom Parliament Thursday that a British visitor died on February 13 this year, after failing to receive the best medical care at his clinic.

    https://barbadostoday.bb/2019/06/25/false-accusations/

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  • Robert Goren
    June 25, 2019 11:17 PM

    The parliament was not legal because there was no MP elected by the people to represent the Opposition and by extension the Senate. (Quote)
    David BU
    Come on, don’t be silly, people don’t vote for an opposition. They vote hoping their party members would win and form the government.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    You are correct!!!!

    So the BLP supporters who voted for their party and elected Reverend Joe are no doubt miffed at his apparent volte face!!

    Meanwhile the 10’s of thousands who voted DLP don’t have a voice in Parliament!!

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  • As I said above this is not about the cost of Sparman’s service as likely he is worth every penny charged…rather it is HOW the fees were ALLEGEDLY demanded of a gravely ill, weak 86 year old patient….

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    You need to talk to Brits and how their NHS treats old people!!!

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  • @Robert Goren

    What is silly about summarizing to indicate understanding of Johns contention?

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  • “and … it is possible his medical condition precluded travelling by air!!”

    Poor excuse, he had to have stabilized at some point during the 26 days if the timeline is correct…even with his age and weaked immune system, his chances of reaching UK alive was much better and a whole lot less expensive…even with a 9 hour journey. Medivac crew have good reputations.

    Now we hear about surgery, so who operates on a pneumonia patient anyway, knowing that getting rid of all that fluid in the lungs could take many months…unless the procedure was noninvasive.

    …the public hospital ….all of them…is a petri dish of bactetial infections…he would not have made it there either.

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  • “rather it is HOW the fees were ALLEGEDLY demanded of a gravely ill, weak 86 year old patient….”

    Look…stop talking shite…

    Did yall not have one of ya wannbes, think he was also a doctor, if i remember correctly, his name was Browne, needed some type of surgery in US…Florida i think….cost around 1/4 million or more US….and he came up short…me thinks he did not make it….not to get the surgery anyway…that was nearly i think 20 years ago,

    Nobody in Barbados owes british people free healthcare…wuh bajans cant go UK and get free healthcare.

    Have seen Sparman’s equipment, pretty impressive, but his office is a clinic, should not have long stay patients…and then there is the reputation….am sure he will sue too.

    A suefest.

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  • Speaking of BAD REPUTATIONS…

    “Your connection is not private
    Attackers might be trying to steal your information from barbadostoday.bb (for example, passwords, messages, or credit cards).”

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  • Sparman’s side of things.

    But Sparman had a different story.

    “To our knowledge, the procedure in respect of cruise passengers is to offer them an option of either a public or private facility. Many patients, including Mr Spencer, chose to be treated at a private facility, rather than the public hospital.

    As a matter of fact, Mr Spencer’s son Mr John Spencer, stated unequivocally he does not want his father to be transferred to the Queen Elizabeth Hospital when he went over and observed the conditions over there.

    This is entirely a matter of patient choice,” the cardiologist stated.

    He told Barbados TODAY that Spencer remained in his care for ten days.

    “His family, understandably, requested that he be transferred to a British hospital since he is a British citizen and his family all live there. The appropriate arrangements were made by the Sparman Hospital with the receiving hospital and Mr. Spencer was taken by air ambulance to England on 28th January, 2019. His condition was stable at that time,” Sparman contended.

    He also reflected further on the patient’s condition when he was admitted to his facility.

    “Mr Spencer, an elderly patient of 86 years, was admitted to our hospital on 18th January, 2019, with pneumonia in both lungs, diabetes, prostate problems and high blood pressure. Pneumonia is a serious condition for any person, but particularly so for an elderly patient with pre-existing conditions. Concomitantly he had a myocardial infarction (heart attack) testing positive for Troponin I (suggesting injury to heart muscle),” he explained.

    Sparman told Barbados TODAY that to date, no complaint has been made to his clinic, either by the Spencer family or by the Barbadian medical authorities.”

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  • NOW CAN THE EXCEPTIONAL BU MEDICAL ILLITERATES WHO THINK THEY KNOW ALL BUT KNOW NOTHING DISCUSS THE PROGNOSIS OF THIS MAN ON ADMISSION TO SPARMAN’S CLINIC

    an elderly patient of 86 years,
    with pneumonia in both lungs,
    diabetes,
    high blood pressure.
    myocardial infarction (heart attack) testing positive for Troponin I (suggesting injury to heart muscle),”

    NOTE THAT HE HAD DIABETES
    DIABETES MAKES EVERYTHING ELSE WORSE
    EVERYTHING MAKES DIABETES WORSE

    NOTE DIABETES AND MYOCARDIAL INFARCTION MADE THIS MAN A GREAT CANDIDATE FOR DIABETES KETOACIDOSIS with the formation and accumulation of ketone bodies.

    Because two of the ketone bodies are acids, they can lower the blood pH below 7.4, which is acidosis, a condition that often accompanies ketosis.
    A drop in blood pH can interfere with the ability of the blood to carry oxygen and cause breathing difficulties.
    You can see how this man’s diabetes would make his pneumonia and respiratory function worse, with its concomitant affect on his already failing cardiovascular system.

    WILL THE MORON WHO WAS BLAMING SPARMAN REFUTE ANY OF MY ANALYSIS OF THIS MAN’S PATH-PHYSIOLOGY?

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  • GP…we know ya know ya more detailed stuff, ya just so shitty sometimes…lol

    What is glaring is Sparman released him to air ambulance care once he was stabilized, he reached UK ALIVE…..lived for over 2 weeks after that…..which says a lot..

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  • What was the family of this man thinking of letting him travel?

    I don’t believe any of the medical issues listed could have developed out of the blue while he was on the cruise!

    … but, I am not a doctor.

    He had to have a history.

    Maybe he was doing the last item on his bucket list.

    What I don’t like about this is a Member of Parliament using Parliamentary Privilege to berate a private citizen.

    …. O$A used to do it and it was distasteful then!!

    I really hope Parliamentary rules in Britain allow for the MP to be punished if it turns out punishment is indicated.

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  • RE As a matter of fact, Mr Spencer’s son Mr John Spencer, stated unequivocally he does not want his father to be transferred to the Queen Elizabeth Hospital when he went over and observed the conditions over there.

    This is entirely a matter of patient choice,” the cardiologist stated.

    WHAT DOES THE ACCOMPLISHED BULLSHITTER HAL ASSTIN SAY NOW?

    LISTEN TO THIS IGNORANT ASS
    so who operates on a pneumonia patient anyway, knowing that getting rid of all that fluid in the lungs could take many months…unless the procedure was noninvasive.

    I PARTICULARLY LIKE THE ASSERTION THAT “getting rid of all that fluid in the lungs could take many months” LOL LOL

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  • @ Georgei Porgie,

    Good morning, hope you have taken your medication. By the way, you speak English fairly well for a Patwa speaker, but I did not say –

    WHAT DOES THE ACCOMPLISHED BULLSHITTER HAL ASSTIN SAY NOW?
    LISTEN TO THIS IGNORANT ASS
    so who operates on a pneumonia patient anyway, knowing that getting rid of all that fluid in the lungs could take many months…unless the procedure was noninvasive.(Quote)

    I am not a medical practitioner, just a patient.

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  • See what i mean about you being shitty…GP..

    a relative of mine had walking pneumonia…still quite dangerous, person was a teenager….it took MANY MONTHS to rid those LUNGS OF FLUID….which KEPT BUILDING UP..no matter what they did…

    Deflate ya stupid ass ego for a second and deal with reality…

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  • As a matter of fact…that teenager had walking pneumonia FOR MONTHS…before it was diagnosed….AND FOR MONTHS AFTER…until the lungs were FINALLY rid of fluid..,,,,

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  • Ah know ya like to diagnose people without ever meeting them, remember, diagnosing me as needing iron….translation…a man…

    ,,,but dont even try diagnosing this one without a history…if ya know what’s good for ya..

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  • what on earth is “walking pneumonia”?

    I WILL ASK ANDERSON & ROBBINS & RUBINS TO INCLUDE THIS DIAGNOSIS IN THEIER NEXT EDITION

    and did this teen ager really have pneumonia per se or was their pleural effusion due to another underlying malady like SLE? tHIS WAS MORE LIKELY AND PROBABLY THE CAUSE

    WHY IS IT THAT YOUR NUMEROUS PHYSICIAN FAMILY EXPERTS ALLOWED THEIR RELATIVE TO SUFFER SO? MONTHS TO MIS-DIAGNOSE PNEUMONIA? REALLY? THATS A REAL TALL TAIL, BUT ENTERTAINING

    HAL AUSTIN
    I DID NOT SAY THAT YOU SAID so who operates on a pneumonia patient anyway, knowing that getting rid of all that fluid in the lungs could take many months…unless the procedure was noninvasive.
    MY REFERENCE WAS TO YOUR RANTS ABOUT LEGAL VS MEDICAL

    I HOPE YOU NOW AGREE WITH THE LORD TO JUDGE RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT AND NOT BY THE APEEARANCE OR THE HYPE REVEED UP BY A BRITISH MP WHO WAS SPOUTING BULL WITHOUT KNOWING ALL THE FACTS

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  • https://barbadostoday.bb/2019/06/25/stop-frisk-to-fight-crime/

    Most would agree that stop and frisk in the USA did not deliver as promised. Selective stopping and frisking became the order of day.
    It was a failed policy and now we see some calling for it to be adopted in Barbados

    .It would be interesting to see how stop and frisk becomes perverted in Barbados. Since we have an almost homogeneous black population what will be the discriminating factors?

    It would be best if we could try to fashion our own solutions.

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  • Hi Jeff,
    How would stop and frisk work in Barbados.
    Can the police roll up on anyone (with/without cause) and start frisking??

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  • THE MOST HILARIOUS AND STUPID STATEMENT ON THIS BLOG ABOUT THIS SAGGA WITH THIS DEPARTED BRIT IS THE RUBBISH PUT OUT MY THE MEDICAL EXPERT THE PEDANTIC PUNK-THE DRIBBLER WHO ASKED

    What treatment did the man need? Do any of us know?

    THATS EASY DUMMY

    FOR An elderly patient of 86 years,
    with pneumonia in both lungs,
    diabetes,
    high blood pressure.
    myocardial infarction (heart attack) testing positive for Troponin I (suggesting injury to heart muscle),”

    YOU TREAT THE
    pneumonia WITH ANTIBIOTICS,
    diabetes, WITH IV FLUIDS INSULIN +/- POTASSIUM
    high blood pressure. WITH APPROPRIATE ANTIHYPERTENSIVES

    BED REST

    WHAT EVER YOU DO …DONT LET IT BECOME A “WALKING PNEUMONIA” what ever dat is

    THE RUM SHOP TOO SWEET THOUGH MURDA

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  • @ George Porgie,

    Can’t understand you. Let’s leave it there.

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  • Keep talking shite…ya will never know what brought on a most SEVERE CASE OF WALKING PNEUMONIA….and why it lingered for months instead of weeks as it is known to……but ya free to guess….that is what doctors do anyway….ya got all day.

    Suffice to say, that teenager is now a healthy 40 something..

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  • .. but this is probably a non medical term!!

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @WURA-War-on-U June 26, 2019 4:21 AM “the public hospital…all of them…is a petri dish of bactetial infections…he would not have made it there either.”

    Can bacteria tell the difference between public hospitals and private hospitals?

    Do bacteria recognise national borders? Can bacteria tell the difference between Barbados and the United Kingdom?

    So many questions.

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  • pathology professor : list the causes of pneumonias
    student : walking pneumonia
    pathology professor what the hell is that?
    student Sir a walking pneumonia is when a person got pneumonia for months and walk bout wid um
    pathology professor what are the signs of pneumonia
    student; Dry cough Chest Pain When Coughing Nausea Shortness of Breath Low Body Temperature
    Fever Fatigue Aches and Pains Confusion
    TO THE JACK ASS WARU IN PNEUMONIA THE OUTSTANDING FEATURE IS CONSOLIDATION OF THE LUNGS

    BUT I GUESS IN WALKING PNEUMONIAS———WHAT EVER DAT IS CAUSE IT AINT IN DE BOOK– YA CAN GET AN EFFUSION LOL MURDA

    FOR THE MORE SENSIBLE BU READERS HERE ARE THE TEN TOP CAUSES OF A PLEURAL EFFUSION OR FLUID IN THE LUNGS

    Congestive Heart Failure
    Infections
    Kidney Disease
    Autoimmune Disorders
    Cancer
    Hypoalbuminemia
    Trauma
    Pulmonary Embolism
    Cirrhosis
    Open-Heart Surgery Complications

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    John? “and… it is possible his medical condition precluded travelling by air!!”

    @WURA-War-on-U June 26, 2019 4:21 AM “Poor excuse, he had to have stabilized at some point during the 26 days.”

    Sometimes in spite of the very best care a patient doesn’t stabilize, especially if that patient is very old and very sick.

    Sometime the patients die.

    In fact eventually ALL patients die. And it does not matter much whether they have access to first world care or third world care.

    The life expectancy of Bajan men is: 75.91 years. Barbados spends £1018 per person on health care

    The life expectancy of British men is: 80.96 years. The British spend £2,892 per person on health care.

    So it seems to me that if only Barbados would spend almost three times as much the citizens would “enjoy” up to five more years of declining health.

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  • RE Can bacteria tell the difference between public hospitals and private hospitals?

    Do bacteria recognise national borders? Can bacteria tell the difference between Barbados and the United Kingdom?

    So many questions.

    YES VERY VERY STUPID QUESTIONS FROM AN IGNORANT WOMAN WHO THINKS SHE KNOWS A LOT
    COME TELL US BOUT HOW YOUR NUMEROUSH SIBLINGS FOUGHT BACTERIA IN Barbados and the United Kingdom ESPECIALLY T PALLIDUM & PARTICULAR COCCI

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  • RE The life expectancy of Bajan men is: 75.91 years. Barbados spends £1018 per person on health care

    The life expectancy of British men is: 80.96 years. The British spend £2,892 per person on health care.

    So it seems to me that if only Barbados would spend almost three times as much the citizens would “enjoy” up to five more years of declining health.

    BASICALLY A NONSEQUITUR AND A LOAD OF EPIDEMIOLOGICAL BULLSHIT
    MORONIC MOUTHINGS OF ONE WITH GPI

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  • “what on earth is “walking pneumonia”?”

    Georgie Porgie

    From what I read “walking pneumonia” is an informal term for a milder form of pneumonia caused by a bacterial, fungal or viral infection that affects the lower and upper respiratory tract.

    It is also called “ATYPICAL or MYCOPLASMA pneumonia” because it is usually not as SEVERE as the other types of pneumonia. It does not cause symptoms that require hospitalization or bed rest. Most people are able to carry on with their daily lives……. hence the term “walking.”

    “Walking pneumonia” is often confused with other respiratory conditions including bronchitis, flu and the common cold.

    It was mentioned re: “that teenager had walking pneumonia FOR MONTHS…before it was diagnosed….AND FOR MONTHS AFTER…until the lungs were FINALLY rid of fluid….which KEPT BUILDING UP..no matter what they did…”

    The above comment is NOT TRUE. From what I read, a “building up” of fluid in the lungs is NOT a symptom of “walking pneumonia.”

    Symptoms of “walking pneumonia” include:

    Mild fever
    Sore throat
    Dry cough (lasting more than a week)
    Headaches
    Chills
    Laboured breathing
    Chest pains
    Lost of appetite

    Perhaps one of those several relatives who were doctors before you were born may have diagnosed the continual “building up” of fluid in the teenager’s lungs.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @Theo, stop n frisk was perverted by the various police depts and became a notorious racial profiling, discriminatory affair in US…the simple fact, however, is that it is and has always been a fundamental and legitimate police tactic since as they say ‘Adam was a lad’!

    What is wrong with any PO stopping any person for questioing based on a valid prevailing matter of concern/suspicion or possible infraction?

    Of course the issue is all about stops for no valid reason like in my youth when the cliched stop (without frisk) trope was your tail light is broken…when it wasn’t.

    The discriminatory issues in the US need not intrude here in Bim and as I noted the basic rationale of stopping a citizen has always been there so it’s not about needing “… to fashion our own solutions.”

    On this blog and beyond there have been many calls for more aggressive police tactics to combat the gun violence and if that includes “stop and check” LEGITAMATELY premised with complete ACKNOWLEDGEMENT of a Bajan’s rights to freedom of movement with no accompanying uncouth harassment by police officers then I see no problem.

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  • GP…the teenager was PERFECTLY HEALTHY…..but had a very SEVERE case of walking pneumonia…..nevertheless.

    KEEP GUESSING…

    President Simple…the dude was quite alive for weeks after he was medivac to UK…he could have definitely picked up a strain of something VIRAL…in the UK hospital where many, many, many elderly and disabled…are DYING like flies…and popular belief is UK IS CULLING THE ELDERLY AND DISABLED…

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  • FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WANT TO LEARN A BIT ABOUT PNEUMONIA HERE ARE A FEW SIMPLE U TUBE VIDEOS

    IN BOTH TYPICAL AND ATYPICAL PNEUMONIAS THERE IS NO a “building up” of fluid in the lungs
    PNEUMONIAS ARE CHARACTERISED BY CONSOLIDATION OF THE LUNG TISSUE–NOT EFFUSIONS

    THE UNQUALIFIED MEDICAL TEACHERS MAY CONTINUE THE TEACHING BUT PRIOR TO DOING SO THEY SHOULD READ PROPER PATHOLOGY EXPOSITIONS

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  • RE GP…the teenager was PERFECTLY HEALTHY…..but had a very SEVERE case of walking pneumonia…..nevertheless.

    JACKASS FOLK WITH PNEUMONIA ARE NOT PERFECTLY HEALTHY

    FOLK WITH PNEUMONIA HAVE CONSOLIDATION OF THE LUNGS NOT PLEURAL EFFUSIONS
    HERE AGAIN ARE THE TEN TOP CAUSES OF A PLEURAL EFFUSION OR FLUID IN THE LUNGS

    Congestive Heart Failure
    Infections
    Kidney Disease
    Autoimmune Disorders
    Cancer
    Hypoalbuminemia
    Trauma
    Pulmonary Embolism
    Cirrhosis
    Open-Heart Surgery Complications

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    BTW, thanks doc its always good to know that you find my mouthings interesting enough to read, digest and then troll them (me)🤣!

    Of course though my remarks were fashioned rhetorically as a direct response to a series of posts by John Scholar and were not intended to illicit any such response as you offered…because well…at that time we did NOT have the details of the patient’s pathology to even Google 🤣 a diagnosis.

    But as usual your desire to be snarky outweighs your ability to be practical and decent here!

    Please continue to read my dribbles, I like all others here love to write and absolutely adore your fawning attention…oh lordie!

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  • ya not even close….keep guessing…

    apparently ya never heard of …A RARE CASE OF ANYTHING…

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  • A silent heart attack is a heart attack!!

    Walking pneumonia is pneumonia!!

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  • I AM NOT OR i wont be guessing about anything WITH A MEDICAL ILLITERATE

    FOLK WITH PNEUMONIA HAVE CONSOLIDATION OF THE LUNGS NOT PLEURAL EFFUSIONS

    even a rare case of anything has to fit into AN EXPANSION OF the list above
    even a rare case of anything has to fit into AN EXPANSION OF TIN CAN BED MIDI

    NO PEDANTIC PUNK I WAS TEACHING YOU THE TREATMENT REQUIRED IN THIS CASE AND HAPPY TO SEE THAT YOU HAVE NOW THE SENSE NOT TO COME SPEWING SHITE WHEN YOU TRIED TO CHALLENGE ME ON CERVICAL INJURIES AND EMERGENCY POST MORTEMS

    BECAUSE YOU DID NOT have the details of the patient’s pathology to even Google 🤣 a diagnosis.DOES NOT MEAN THAT I HAD NOT COME TO A CONCLUSION FROM THE EARLY INFORMATION PRESENTED… AFTER ALL I AM NOT A MEDICAL ILLITERATE LIKE YOU

    WHEN I LEARNED TO DIAGNOSE…….THERE WAS NO GOOGLE IDIOT

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  • RE Walking pneumonia is pneumonia!!

    THERE IS NO SUCH THING RECORDED IN ANDERSON OR ROBBINS OR RUBINS AS Walking pneumonia
    PNEUMONIAS ARE CLASSIFIED AS TYPICAL OR ATYPICAL

    THERE IS TOO MUCH SHIT ON THE INTERNET

    IT IS AMAZING WHEN ONE ATTEMPTS TO TEACH THE BU ILLITERATES THEY PERSIST IN TALKING SHITE!

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  • And all the shite ya talking…ya still don’t know…and UNABLE to GUESS…WHAT THE RARE CASE WAS…it would still have had to be identified AND isolated…

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  • JACKASS LETS BE PRACTICAL

    WHEN PRESENTED WITH A PROBLEM WITH A PATIENT WITH A PLEURAL EFFUSION
    YOU PLUG INTO YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THE LIST OF KNOWN CAUSES OF PLEURAL EFFUSIONS— YOU DONT GUESS—YOU ELIMINATE

    ONE THING YOU KNOW FIRST UP IS THAT SINCE THE MAIN FEATURE IS PLEURAL EFFUSION THEN IT CANT BE A PNEUMONIA BECAUSE PNEUMONIAS ARE CHARACTERIZED BY CONSOLIDATION, AND YA DONT WALK BOUT WITH PNEUMONIAS

    I WONT TAKE MONTHS LIKE YOUR ESTEEMED RELATIVES DID TO COME UP WITH A DIAGNOSIS EITHER

    WHY DIDNT THE MORONS DO A PLEURAL TAP AND SEND THE EFFLUENT FOR ANALYSIS?

    HOW CAN YOU TEACH WHEN YOU HAVE NOT LEARNED JACKASS

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  • GP…2 taps were done…and not by relatives…keep guessing..ya may actually get close..

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  • “THERE IS NO SUCH THING RECORDED IN ANDERSON OR ROBBINS OR RUBINS AS Walking pneumonia.”

    Georgie Porgie

    Yes.

    Perhaps that’s the reason why the term “walking pneumonia” has been described as “NON-MEDICAL” or “INFORMAL.”

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  • Georgie Porgie

    You are correct

    The evidence clearly indicates that a “building up” of fluid in the lungs is not associated with atypical pneumonia.

    You are also aware that, although she has been proven to be wrong, she will not admit, but will continue to “bob and weave” to prove she is correct.

    It is a useless effort……….so why prolong the discussion?

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  • Artax…don’t start…GP..has NO CLUE what happened to my relative to cause walking pneumonia…he may get close…but he will NEVER GUESS…he can’t unless he reviews…the MEDICAL REPORT…what is wrong with you people…

    AND …whatever is going through his mind …HE IS WRONG…

    doctors DO NOT KNOW EVERYTHING…they witness new things every day and if his ego was not so damn big, he would admit that…

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  • Yes Artax I know that I am dealing with an uneducable ass……….but others may learn as I tear her to threads
    .
    As you would expect the term “walking pneumonia” is not used by professionals, because it does not make sense, as pneumonias are associated with debilitating symptoms.

    You might not know but ANDERSON ROBBINS RUBINS are the authors of three of the leading Pathology texts

    When professionals come here on BU and seek to teach the forum using their knowledge and expertise sensible people listen and learn and ask pertinent questions.

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  • re GP..has NO CLUE what happened to my relative to cause walking pneumonia

    of course I do!
    your relative was born with colonic histology in their lungs so they were producing faecal material in their lungs; quite similar to how the colonic histology in your brains has caused you to be demented, resulting in you posting videos of a rambling woman on a daily basis for months and the shite that you cut and paste on BU daily for years now ITS CALLED WALKING SHITE ON THE BRAIN

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  • lol…see what ah mean…ya will never know what caused that walking pneumonia….NEVER…cause ya will NEVER SEE THE MEDICAL REPORT…

    now ya can move on to telling us what killed the dude AFTER he was airlifted to UK from Sparman’s clinic..

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  • “…don’t start…GP..has NO CLUE what happened to my relative to cause walking pneumonia…he may get close…but he will NEVER GUESS…he can’t unless he reviews…the MEDICAL REPORT…what is wrong with you people…”

    Hmmmmm……….

    GP responded to your comment re:

    “………a relative of mine had walking pneumonia…still quite dangerous, person was a teenager….it took MANY MONTHS to rid those LUNGS OF FLUID….which KEPT BUILDING UP..no matter what they did…”

    GP did not make any ATTEMPT to GUESS or DIAGNOSED what happened to your relative, he merely HIGHLIGHTED the “IMPRACTICALITY” of your comment quoted above.

    He then went on to EXPLAIN that in both typical and atypical pneumonia there isn’t any “building up” of fluid in the lungs
    and listed medical conditions that are KNOWN to cause a “build up” of fluid in the lungs.

    If “building up” of fluid in the lungs is NOT KNOWN to be ASSOCIATED with atypical pneumonia, then obviously your relative had to be suffering from another medical condition that is known to cause a “build up” of fluid in the lungs.

    And that’s the point you’re purposely or conveniently missing.

    You may argue that GP is a retired doctor or he has an “inflated ego”……….. and it’s true “doctors DO NOT KNOW EVERYTHING…they witness new things every day.”

    However, medical information is always “up to date” or current……. and the information I have read so far, is consistent with what GP mentioned in his contributions.

    You also wrote: “the teenager was PERFECTLY HEALTHY…..but had a very SEVERE case of walking pneumonia…..nevertheless,”…………. which he INDICATED was “ILLOGICAL.”

    Surely you must agree that any one suffering from any type of medical condition CANNOT be “perfectly healthy.”

    Additionally, when compared with the symptoms and causes of atypical pneumonia (information which is “current” or “recent”), your comments are clearly “ILLOGICAL.”

    Just admit you’re WRONG and move on.

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