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The notion that lawyers, and especially judges, know everything is doubtless premised on the variety of determinations the profession is obliged to make as part of its diurnal routine. Is a medical doctor liable for negligence? Did a Minister exercise his or her discretion properly? Did an accused intend to murder the deceased? These are but a few of the decisions that are matters of law and whose answers lie exclusively within the realm of legal theory. Of course, in some matters, a court will be assisted by expert evidence, especially when determining matters that depend on the practice of a particular profession. For instance, medical negligence will be found where the doctor fails to act in accordance with an accepted responsible body of medical practice. What constitutes such is a matter of evidence from a medical expert in the particular area in issue.

A similar determination arose this week in the Caribbean Court of Justice, where, as the highest court in the Guyanese legal system, it was called upon to pronounce on a number of issues concerning the law of governance in that jurisdiction. These arose out of the infamous no confidence motion brought by the parliamentary opposition against the governing coalition administration. I say infamous because it may be recalled that one member of the governing coalition parliamentary group chose to vote against his side and therefore to carry the Opposition motion by a tally of 33 votes to 32.

These matters managed to present a number of legal issues for the Court’s determination; among them, whether there was a difference between a no confidence motion that was not expressly provided for in the Constitution and a motion of confidence that was so provided? What constitutes the majority necessary for the passage of a no-confidence motion and whether the Court had jurisdiction to inquire into the issue of Mr Persaud’s [the MP who voted with the Opposition motion] qualification to be a member of the National Assembly.

Of these issues, I found the first to be the most intriguing and I have written in another capacity more times than one on the very point. The matter became a legal issue because the legal advisors to the governing administration were of the view that first, there was a difference between an absolute majority and a simple majority; and that 33 votes could not constitute a majority in a 65 member Parliament because a majority was half of the total plus one and, since there could not be 0.5 of a vote, half of 65 had to be rounded up to 33 and the added one would give a total of 34. Too besides, they argued further, since 33 was already a majority of 64 members, it could not also be the majority of 65, a grater number. Of course, this assertion took no notice of the reality that 34 was also the majority of 66, itself a greater number than 65.

I argued in one of my writings on the subject last year, relying on the learning in Robert’s Rules of Order that the use of the formula half-plus-one to constitute a majority is apt to cause problems. According to the text, “Suppose in voting on a motion 17 votes are cast. 9 in favor and 8 opposed. Fifty percent of the votes cast is 81/2 so that 50 percent plus one would be 91/3. Under such an erroneous definition of a majority, one might say that the motion was not adopted because it did not receive 50 percent plus one of the voted cast although it was, quite clearly, passed by a majority vote”.

A similar argument appeared to find favour with President Saunders who drew on his judicial experience of what constitutes a majority judgment.

Since the Assembly comprises an odd number, there is no need to imply into the Constitution any formula for defining a majority as being ‘half plus one’. Indeed, as an American judge noted,12 the 50% plus one ruleleads to illogical results when it is applied to odd numbers. So, for example, it is trite that when a Court of Appeal sits as a panel of three, a majority decision is 2:1. The Chief Justice was therefore right when she adjudged that a majority from among 65 members is a minimum of 33.”

It bears remarking that the learned Chief Justice of Guyana had also reasoned likewise although she appeared to base her determination on an obverse application of the golden rule by positing if Persaud had voted against the no-confidence motion, the government would have accepted that the vote count of 33 is the majority of all elected members”.

In support of their argument, the lawyers for the governing administration had cited two authorities from Commonwealth jurisdictions. The CCJ found neither useful. As for the first, from Vanuatu, it related to a circumstance where an even number of members constituted the parliament.

Kilman was a case where the Vanuatu parliament consisted of 52 members. Only 51 voted on a particular motion that required an absolute majority. The result of the vote was 26:25. It was in this context that the court said as is stated above. Twenty-six votes could not carry the motion because what was needed was a majority of 52 and since 52 was an even number, in that specific context that majority could only be obtained via the formula of half the Members of Parliament plus one.

The second authority from Anguilla was also easily distinguished-

In that case the question concerned the number of members necessary to constitute a quorum. The Assembly comprised 11 members. The quorum requirement was two-thirds. Mathematically, two-thirds of 11 yields 7.3. The question was whether to constitute the quorum one should round up to 8 or round down to 7 members. The court held that since the concept of a quorum meant the least number possible for the valid transaction of business, one could not round down to 7 as that number would fall below the mandated quorum of 7.3. One should round up to 8 which would satisfy the quorum condition. Hughes v Rogers, therefore, has no relevance to the question at hand.

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307 responses to “The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – Doing Things with Rules”


  1. @ DAVID

    You just brought it home from my early comparison between court system and economy.

    If we accept the 2 are inherently linked we now on the road to a discussion.

    A good economy usually leads to a reduction in crime, whereas an economy like the one we are in now leads to all types of crime, be they blue collar, white collar or political collar.


  2. @ Greene,

    There was a judicial management review, a bit of a farce, and no sound evidence of wrong-dong. But the Bajan Condition, ignore the facts and cling to the fantasy.
    Clico was a regulatory crisis, not one of corruption.


  3. @ John
    @Hal

    “they will do what ever they can to show some growth this quarter even if it’s immeasurable like 0.0025%”

    You touch on an interesting point which is the quality of the reporting and statistics coming out of the various govt agencies.

    To call them unreliable would be complimentary.


  4. @ Dullard

    They will play with them when their back is to the wall. That in itself is a crime isn’t it?

    We need to also accept how closely economic activity and crime are linked. If you bring a budget of taxation and contraction don’t you think it will encourage layoffs and cut backs, hence Increase crime?

    To attempt to discuss the challenges to the legal system and not link it to the economic activity at the time, is like discussion food and not water.

    That is why my first post compared our situation to 2 leaking boats waiting to see which would sink first.


  5. @ Greene June 23, 2019 3:11 PM

    You see, what you have stated is the problem with this country. The Americans have charged Inniss. According to today’s paper. the Americans have alluded to the fact that in this crooked jurisdiction (Barbados) no charges have been brought. Because charges were not brought ,one cannot say with absolute confidence that a crime was not committed. How could the Americans charge Inniss and the same not be done in Barbados? have the relevant authorities requested information from the Americans? This place is corrupt as a bent nail. This is a place where fraternal membership of Lodges trumps the rule of law: a place where bribes can make charges disappear; a place where police routinely lose the charge sheets of accused persons. This country is just like a whore who offers her services to the highest bidder. Any thing can be done in this place once the right connections are there.


  6. I would go further now and say “increased direct taxation gives the courts more work.”

    Tell me I lie!


  7. @Robert Lucas

    all that emotional stuff still dont get to M/L or a financial crime re what you posted early in this thing. and that is what we are dealing with isnt it? t

    he other stuff about Lodges etc is a matter for the brothers in those fraternities and the laws of the land. whether a comparable crime re Inniss is investigated in Bim is a matter for the AG and CoP.


  8. “The hidden secret of the Caribbean is that we are under-populated. When you look at Barbados, we are 430 squared kilometers. Singapore is about 670 and is 15 times our population. ”

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    https://barbadostoday.bb/2019/01/31/reform-needed-4/

    These are the words Hal I think you meant me to look at when you mentioned Mia Mottley and Singapore.

    Don’t worry, I am aware of them!!

    These are the words that motivated me to go after Grenville!!!

    You will see from the discussion on water resources that Grenville, an Engineer, is succumbing the need to spout hot air … foolishness … based on what he sees other politicians spouting!!

    He can do math and chew gum but Mia Mottley and other politicians can only chew gum!!

    He doesn’t need to follow the leader!!

    What he could be asking of Mia is where is she going to get the water from for the increased population?

    To Mia’s credit she mentions Guyana!!!!

    “Guyana is the size of England, Scotland and Wales combined. They have 65 million people, Guyana has 780,000. Suriname is larger than the Netherlands, which has 17 million people, but Suriname has 580,000. I can go on and on and on.”

    Here, she is actually starting to make a little sense.

    Because both Guyana and Suriname have an endless supply of fresh water!!

    If she just went a little further over on the map she would meet French Guyana!!

    French Guyana is a department of France!!!!

    It has a population according to Wikipedia of less than that of Barbados!!!

    Malaria and Yellow Fever are rampant, it has the highest HIV infection rate in France but … guess what …..

    It is into space exploration!!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guiana_Space_Centre

    Location, location, location!!

    Small and poor can work if you are in the right spot!!!!

    In days of sail, Barbados had that going for it too!!

    We thrived simply based on our location!!

    We are no longer in the days of sail so we need to look for another reason to enhance the attractiveness of Barbados.


  9. Perhaps Mia is considering becoming a mother!!!


  10. @John A

    Carry on with your circular discussion.


  11. @ Hal

    A while back Warren Buffet was asked what is a good economy in real terms? He said ” one in where every citizen be they rich or poor can benefit.”

    When asked how he saw growth his answer was ” true growth is net growth, that is when inflation is deducted from stated growth and something positive is still recorded.”

    Ask yourself honestly how we fearing using those 2 formulas.


  12. @ David.

    It’s not really circular but linked indirectly to the post. For example if police were better paid would they be less likely to look the other way, or would they be more willing to do their job?

    What would it take to pay them better? A good economy

    If customs officers were better paid would the same apply? What would it take to pay them better? MORE MONEY.

    So you see whether we like it or not, to fight corruption we need a strong economy. That make both points linked at the hip not circular at all.

    As Hal says first we need to trust those in power and that right now is not there in many cases.


  13. @ John

    President Mottley does not give any reason for her suggestions, so we cannot pin her down. I suggest the only justification for her argument is one of productivity. If so she and her advisers/consultant s are economically wrong.


  14. @John A

    As Hal says first we need to trust those in power and that right now is not there in many cases.

    You concede it will take more than tweaking/discussion factors of production?


  15. @ Hal

    I form opinions based solely on data and below is my formula.

    Worker – more tax= less productivity.

    No one I know is inspired to do more when they receive less in their pay pack, or when getting home and back has increased by 60 percent.


  16. @ David.

    It will of course and it must start by government sharing facts and data with us in a timely and true manner. They must stop dressing data up for political gain. This is what I mean for example.

    ” we are having another bumper tourist season with arrivals up.”

    What missing from that statement is the fact that average spend is down!

    That is what I mean when I say dressing up data for political gain.


  17. Mind you in don’t just happen in the government sector, cause I heard a real estate agent in a red shirt say.

    ” the increase in Land tax will be marginal and hardly noticed by the property owner.”

    He was speaking of the 61 percent increase in some areas for the record!


  18. @John A

    You are hooked on the same old narrative. We need all areas of society on the same page i.e.creating a better country.

    For example, when the blogmaster read the PR machinery prime minister Mottley announced last year on winning the government there was hope that it was a machinery that would have been used change attitudes on how we eat, manage waste, educate ourselves etc. Some people refer to it as Nudge Theory. We will improve as a nation and people if we stop framing solutions solely in economic terms.


  19. @ David.

    It’s not narrative but a hard fact. So I will state it here.

    All solutions require some form of finance to introduce.

    Replacing bulbs to LED to save money requires money to purchase the bulbs does it not?

    Change requires capital it’s that simple so I will dwell on ” economic terms” until proven wrong.


  20. Did not the same PR MACHINE state prior to elections that we were too heavily taxed and it would be addressed if the BLP won elections?

    Now you see why I only deal in data and facts as opposed to PR nonesence.

  21. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @WURA-WAR-on-U June 23, 2019 7:56 AM quoting the Sunday Sun of 23 June, 2019
    https://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/240400/-bribed

    “Prosecutors are contending they have evidence to support the allegation but don’t plan to present it when Inniss faces a Brooklyn, New York judge and jury in October.”

    I would bet anything that even though the prosecutors “don’t plan to present it when Inniss faces a Brooklyn, New York judge and jury in October.” that they will hold it and present it another day, maybe in Noverber or December. If I was a “government official” who had ever taken anything except my pay cheque from anybody I would not be going anywhere near the U.S.A. In fact i would not be going anywhere pass my front door.

    Less we forget Meng Wanzhou was not arrested in the United States. Of course though the Americans regard her as a big fish. Our “government officals” are maybe just sprats.

  22. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    A learned submission by the scholar, so of course I can’t comment except to say I have heard people describe their erstwhile spouses as “a peica man” or a “pieca woman” if any of the members of Guyana Parliament were peica men or peica woman we would not have this problem at all. But alas we are told that they are all whole men and women, so the problem exists. No 33 1/2 votes possible in the situation.

    Please forgive me David. I just could not help myself.

  23. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @David June 23, 2019 10:42 AM “it is worth mentioning Clico policyholders have been receiving cash payments and bonds. Not perfect but something better than nothing.”

    Better for whom?

    Certainly not for taxpayers like me who were sensible enough NOT to “invest” in CLICO, and MY tax dollars are now being used to solve a problem which I had no part in creating.

    Do you think that I could feel good David that my tax money is being used to settle CLICO’s debts, even while I struggle to settle my own debts. And some of the CLICO “investors” are way better off than I am. I know because the long, long list was published in the newspaper, and some of these folks would not give me a lift if they saw me at the bus stop, not even if a hot water rain was falling.

    I ask again “better for whom?”

  24. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @Professor Jeff “The notion that lawyers, and especially judges, know everything.”

    One day last week I stepped off my bed, and splash. Half an inch of water on the floor. Oh Lord, the toilet bowl leaked during the night. Foolish me I called a plumber.

    When I could have called a lawyer instead.

    Please forgive me Professor. i could not help myself.

  25. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @they usually want relief that we in the courts cannot grant,” said the chief justice.

    Early, early on I told my children this:

    Not even God can undo the past.

    We can do better, today, tomorrow, the next day, but neither we nor God can undo the past.

    I agree with the Chief Justice.

    Sometime people want the past undone, and they need excellent mediators to tell them “can’t happen.”

  26. Barbados Underground Whistleblower Avatar
    Barbados Underground Whistleblower

    Attorney: I have recording of cops’ conspiracy

    An attorney-at-law charged seven years ago with trespassing, assault and obstruction has a recording of two police officers she says conspired against her.

    Lani Daisley’s digital voice recorder was taken away from her by a police officer believing it was a pen and it recorded four hours of discussions that took place on September 12, 2012, when she was arrested after going to the Bridgetown Port to see a detained client.

    Police alleged that she trespassed at the port and that she obstructed, resisted and assaulted officers attempting to remove her from the building.

    The attorney gave the Sunday Sun a copy and transcript of the recorded conversations which were also handed over to the Solicitor General’s office, when Daisley sued the Attorney General for assault, battery and false imprisonment

    http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/240401/attorney-recording-cops-conspiracy

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    Having had evidence planted twice aided by local Police and knowing their direct MAJOR involvement with sale of guns, drugs, human smuggling for the Strip Clubs, bribery, beatings and other crimes I believe this woman 1000 percent and happy she has audio evidence of the corrupt criminal bastards who serve under the name of Barbados Police Force to Protect and Serve.

  27. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @TheOgazerts “A man owe mi $300 and don’t wanna pay me… I want to sue he for me money, but it is only $475… What can I do??”

    Let me be your mediator.

    Please note that I am a free mediator.

    Forget the $300. I ent worth your time, the man’s time, or the paid mediator’s time. And it certainly ain’t worth the tax payer’s money to do means testing.

    You may leave the court.

    Next customer.

  28. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    A lot of people won’t get “justice” or as we call it in Barbados “satisfaction”, but in no time at all, and with no money I would have cleared up the backlog

  29. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    Denmark is 1/180 on the Corruption Perception Index, Singapore 3/180, Canada 9/180, the United Kingdom 11/180, the United States 22/180, Barbados 25/180, Somalia 180/180.

    According to the Corruption Perception Index there are 33 countries in Europe that are perceived to be more corrupt that Barbados, including 16 member countries of the European Union

    The data is here: https://www.transparency.org/cpi2018

  30. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @David June 23, 2019 12:14 PM “If the Guyanese born Charles Leacock were alive…”

    It is in the past David. He is dun de’d already.

    NOBODY can undo the past.

  31. WURA-WAR-on-U Avatar

    “In fact i would not be going anywhere pass my front door.”

    but that is a thing nuh…lol

    the next 4 years are sure to be very interesting..ah can’t wait..

  32. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @robert lucas June 23, 2019 3:38 PM “This country is just like a whore who offers her services to the highest bidder. ”

    To be fair you must remember that there are also male whores offering their services to the highest bidder, especially in a place like Barbados with a tourist industry and with the myth of the well hung black mandingo.

    Yup Male whores too.

  33. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    Wuh Loss.

    How many of these submissions have made a connection with Jeffs article?

    @ John A

    Are you now part of the Hi Jacks ? You caught the wrong ZR van. This one is going to Coleridge Street. It is about Rules without Law.


  34. @ Vincent.

    No i on the right ZR it’s just I went Coleridge Street via The Treasury Building and Church Street.

  35. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    Order, Order in this academic discussion.


  36. @ Vincent.

    My point is how in a poor economy many who would not ignore rules and laws, now tempted to do so to survive.


  37. Not justifying it mind you just saying the temptation is there for some when money tight!

  38. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    Amazing nuh that a whole set of domestic servants, messengers and gardeners fly to New York to visit their great aunts Mildred and Doris…and the political class? Not so much eh?


  39. @ Greene June 23, 2019 3:46 PM
    The use of English was chosen. for maximum impact, knowing full well that some would be offended Nothing emotional .

    @SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife June 23, 2019 6:44 PM

    Point noted. I must confess, you have a great sense of humor.


  40. Also to improve systems and oversight will take additional funding, which as you know in an economy like ours ain t going be no priority.


  41. @ John June 23, 2019 3:50 PM
    “Location, location, location!!
    Small and poor can work if you are in the right spot!!!!
    In days of sail, Barbados had that going for it too!!
    We thrived simply based on our location!!
    We are no longer in the days of sail so we need to look for another reason to enhance the attractiveness of Barbados.”
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    One of your more enlighteningly rational contributions without your usual Quaker-inspired connections.

    Mottley’s comparison of Barbados with Singapore is like comparing St. Kitts to Switzerland.

    What she should be telling us is what percentage of the working-age population in Singapore is classified as “Voluntary idle”.

    Barbados has over 70,000 idle hands of working age out of an estimated total population of 285,000.

    What’s the ratio for Singapore? Is it equivalent to its prison population?

    Since the days of chattel slavery tied to the sugar industry Barbados has been classified as one of the most densely populated places on Earth.

    The sugar industry -with its dependence on many hands to the cane blade- is effectively now dead.

    The Bajan population needs to be adjusted to reflect this economic reality especially in light of the digitization of many menial jobs and the rise of artificial intelligence; especially in realm of the traditional professions and vocational jobs.

    How about turning Barbados into the English-speaking Amsterdam of the Caribbean?

  42. Barbados Underground Whistleblower Avatar
    Barbados Underground Whistleblower

    Dr Robert Lucas

    @ Greene June 23, 2019 3:11 PM

    You see, what you have stated is the problem with this country. The Americans have charged Inniss. According to today’s paper. the Americans have alluded to the fact that in this crooked jurisdiction (Barbados) no charges have been brought. Because charges were not brought ,one cannot say with absolute confidence that a crime was not committed. How could the Americans charge Inniss and the same not be done in Barbados? have the relevant authorities requested information from the Americans? This place is corrupt as a bent nail. This is a place where fraternal membership of Lodges trumps the rule of law: a place where bribes can make charges disappear; a place where police routinely lose the charge sheets of accused persons. This country is just like a whore who offers her services to the highest bidder. Any thing can be done in this place once the right connections are there.
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    I have the UPMOST RESPECT for you.

    You are not only a very highly qualified individual, but you also call a spade a spade.

    You must have been put through the fire in Barbados with your feet and hands burnt many times to come to the point where you can speak openly and truthfully using your real name in the cesspool of a little island.

    There have been many who have used the Barbados Underground posing as being upright, self-righteous and champions of the locals only to feather their nest.

    Continue to be you and call a spade a spade.

    Barbados is like bad fruit that looks good on the outside, however, no matter how many slices one cuts it is still rotten to the core from top to bottom.


  43. @whistleblower:

    From Macauly’s Figurative Expressions in the English language, the apple would be ‘dead sea apple”. Beautiful to look at but when plucked turns into dust and ashes. learnt that at 11 years old.

    Interesteing discusson this thread.

  44. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ John A

    There are quite a few things in life that need no finance. Finance is just a numeraire. They simply require a reallocation of real existing resources.


  45. @Barbados Underground Whistleblower June 23, 2019 7:43 PM

    Another ‘searching’ question to be asked is why haven’t there been any ‘local’ investigations conducted into this sordid affair.

    Isn’t this equivalent to economic terrorism waged against Bajan taxpayers?

    Why is Pornville the one being ‘fingered’ by a foreign agency in this matter?

    There is NO way a politician could have perpetrated, allegedly, this scam without collusion from the Chair of the statutory corporation and the executives on the ground.

    Pornville’s antecedents from the time he sat in the chair of the MoH have really got him into a right pickle canned by his commission agency in Florida in association with his ‘dentist’ buddy.


  46. @ Vincent.

    Do you honestly think politicians today will divert funding from other purposes to making it more difficult for them in their world?

    Maybe you are right but I don’t see it happening. Just look at the whole Donville issue and ask yourself what have we done in the last 14 months to make sure it doesn’t happen again?

  47. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ John A

    There are certain perceived ills which state intervention and law will never eliminate. Sensible decision makers do not throw scarce resources at them.


  48. (2) Whenever the Governor-General has occasion to appoint a Leader of the Opposition he shall appoint the member of the House of Assembly who, in his judgment, is best able to command the support of a majority of those members who do not support the Government, or if there is no such person, the member of that House who, in his judgment, commands the support of the largest single group of such members who are prepared to support one leader:

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    Simple question for Jeff!!

    What if the number is neither odd nor even ,,, but ZERO?

    How is the majority determined in this case?

    Is it even possible?

    How did the GG determine the leader of the opposition when all of the MP’s supported the Government?

    … and what if the number is 1?

    Is it possible to have a majority in a group of 1 person?

    If there is a majority there should also be a minority, n’est-ce pas?

    Lawyers should stay away from math!!

  49. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ John at 8:52 PM

    Please take your own advice and keep away from maths.


  50. I argued in one of my writings on the subject last year, relying on the learning in Robert’s Rules of Order that the use of the formula half-plus-one to constitute a majority is apt to cause problems. According to the text, “Suppose in voting on a motion 17 votes are cast. 9 in favor and 8 opposed. Fifty percent of the votes cast is 81/2 so that 50 percent plus one would be 91/3. Under such an erroneous definition of a majority, one might say that the motion was not adopted because it did not receive 50 percent plus one of the voted cast although it was, quite clearly, passed by a majority vote”.

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    Two questions for Jeff.

    How do you get 91/3 when you add 1 to 81/2?

    Has the finding of the CCJ rendered Reverend Joe impotent?

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