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[Barbados Underground] The following was shared by Senator Caswell Franklyn in response to the following question –

@Senator

 

 

 

Is there any light you can shed on the lady and her mother posting videos to Facebook accusing Payne and Marshall of some unscrupulous action?

“David, Blogmaster

I know more than most about the situation which led to these two people defaming Marshall and Payne on Facebook.

This matter arose out of the sale of land of the late Ermine Atwell. She was the widow of Melvin Atwell, attorney-at-law. The two people making the allegations about Marshall and Payne are Ermine’s sister and niece.

Ermine was a recluse who lived alone with her dog, Zena. For a number of years Ermine would call me every Sunday, unless I was out of the island or there was a problem with Cable and Wireless. We would talk about every conceivable topic, one of which was her sister’s and Niece’s efforts to get their hands on Ermine’s land.

According to Ermine’s version, the sister Ieft Barbados in the sixties and did not look back, not even to attend their father’s funeral in 1975. Then out of a clear blue sky the sister returned to Barbados, and only made contact with Ermine by way of a lawsuit to get portion of Ermine’s land that formerly belonged to their father. The sister lost the case.

Ermine was willing to help her sister if she had asked but was hurt and angry that the sister took her to court. As a result, she vowed to me that the sister would get nothing from her and as far as I know, Ermine was taking steps to make sure that the sister would get nothing.

Ermine died suddenly and I don’t know how far she had gotten in disposing her property. I know that Ermine believed in George Payne and Rawle Eastmond but had chosen George to deal with her legal matters.

I did not comment before for two reasons: I was not asked; and Marshall and Payne should be able to take care of themselves.”

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268 responses to “Senator Caswell Franklyn Responds to Facebook Video Accusing Ministers George Payne and Dale Marshall of Fraud”

  1. James Greene Avatar
    James Greene

    @miller

    i am unaware that an investigation has identified the movement/possession of that 3mil or how much it was as the proceeds of criminal conduct. i would be grateful if you could point me to such an investigation.

  2. WARU Avatar
    WARU

    You are supposed to take your ancestry seriously Greene…if you do not know where you came from or who you are you CANNOT know where you are or where you are going..

    I have no such problem.

  3. watchman Avatar
    watchman

    @James Greene

    If you are unaware of David Thompson involvement in CLICO Policy holders 3.3Mil robbery, you are one of the blind and deaf Johnny-come-lately .

  4. watchman Avatar
    watchman

    @Heather Cole

    Can a father disinherit his daughter without her knowing ?
    Why do you hope Cynthia Forde should seek to have this matter resolved in court ?

  5. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ James Greene August 18, 2018 2:08 PM
    “i am unaware that an investigation has identified the movement/possession of that 3mil or how much it was as the proceeds of criminal conduct. i would be grateful if you could point me to such an investigation.”

    Like the CoP intimated in the case of the unearthing of Pornville’s dirty laundry, there has been no complainant so how you expect there would be investigation into one of their own and the party’s former bankroller?

    That is why the miller is daily persecuting Senator Caswell to raise the tax issue as a matter of urgent public concern.

    For as in the case of Al Capone if you cannot get at the bad guys one ‘legal’ way you could catch them using the other ‘legal’ tax evasion net.

    If the $3.3 million posing as either Dr. Jekyll legal fees or as gratuity payments due to Mr. Hyde the pariah Greenverbs, is that clean- and like Caesar’s wife alimony payments ought to be above public suspicion- then it should have turned up as lily white income declared in some party’s income tax return.

    Let us see how ‘honestly’ smart you are by agreeing with the miller in prosecuting this probable tax evasion case which clearly does not require a complainant by the name of James Green(e).

  6. watchman Avatar
    watchman

    @ Mariposa

    On BU ,You the DLP yardfowl pick at your perceived Opposition BLP skeletons. But, since 2018 results, you are hyena with feathers

  7. Gabriel Avatar
    Gabriel

    Since the demise of the late DJHT it was suggested by a well known journalist whose hands were tied that the then registrar was walking around with the last will and testament of the former PM now lying in ossuary in sint jans.For safety it was in somebody’s pocket bag.Now with the country in such high debt would that rumoured 39 million likely end up next door by helen or was the request turned down.Karma is a bitch.When the deputy attempted to besmirch the name of the lead opposition in the house about something to do with failure to participate in debating domestic violence and further cautioned tho opposition to ‘stop staring at my dawter so’,the deputy didn’t think that one day coming soon a favour would have to be asked.

  8. WARU Avatar
    WARU

    Greene is simpleminded, anal and insular, a mentality that keeps the island stagmant and unable to move forward, what a pity.

  9. James Greene Avatar
    James Greene

    WARU,

    ore mi, you found me out and i was trying so hard to hide it

  10. WARU Avatar
    WARU

    Greene…ya cannot hide a shackled mind, the two Egyptians who lied to you about the population makeup of Nigeria, which is very diverse , could have told you that, but it was not in their best interest…and you are still too simpleminded to do the research on your own to discover the truth or you would have done your own research and found out they lied to you… and you would have been too ashamed or too knowledgeable to post that crap to this or any blog.

  11. James Greene Avatar
    James Greene

    ore mi,

    i dont think you read that particular post correctly.

    be that as it may, let me reiterate, i have lived in at least 3 places in this world and traveled a lot. i have also experienced a lot. i have made a lot of mistakes. i have many regrets and have had a few successes.

    above all, i am satisfied if not happy with my lot in life. i know who i am and most importantly i am comfortable with who i am.

    each man to his own

  12. Heather Cole Avatar
    Heather Cole

    @ Watchman, the woman referred to her grandmother’s title deed. I have no read the document but it could not contain both common tenancy and disheritance and the same time.

    Ms. Cynthia Forde stated the below:

    Many senior citizens were also being cheated out of properties and the elder affairs minister said this should end.

    https://barbadostoday.bb/2018/08/15/jail-them-3/

  13. watchman Avatar
    watchman

    @Heather ,agreed grandmother’s title deed don’t mean anything,a will do.

    Minister Forde, should state if land lots is included in her meaning of properties being cheated , because Government required poor people land and take 20 plus years to pay, or don’t pay

  14. Heather Cole Avatar
    Heather Cole

    @ Watchman, Agreed. We must find out what the will says if there was indeed a will. I mean the will of the father or mother of Ermine and her sister in the England. If there was indeed a will stating that it was family land, it would be illegal for Ermine to make a will or sell property that was not entirely hers without agreement of the other party or parties.
    Also as I previously stated it would be interesting to find out who received the proceeds of the sale.

  15. Heather Cole Avatar
    Heather Cole

    @ Watchman, having lost this case in Court in Barbados, does it fit into the scope of the CCJ? I think it should be revisited.

  16. Mariposa Avatar
    Mariposa

    The only”we” in this equation that needs to do dilligence are Marshall and Payne those two “we-wees”arr finding it convenient to hid behind their names as ministers and blp yardfowl supporters and ignore those two ladies persistent efforts to shame them accused them of land fraud inspite of these woman presenting documentation as evidence
    It seems as if Marshall and Payne belives they are above the law
    But why shouldn’t they since they have been put in charge of the henhouse
    Now David dont come here with you intimidation tactics advising me again that the nameless ” they” know who i am
    Which makes me think that you trade personnel information to outside sources without permission which is against Word Press agreements
    You dutti mutt

  17. John Avatar
    John

    Is Caswell an opposition senator or an opposition senator who is also a member of the ruling BLP?

    Maybe the GG needs to find out!!

    Has the Reverend Joe resigned from the BLP or is he still a member?

  18. John Avatar
    John

    These ladies are a breath of fresh air in de place!!!

  19. bajanfreeparty Avatar
    bajanfreeparty

    watchman August 18, 2018 12:56 AM

    A lot of cases like this is caused by estranged sisters and Brothers, who left Barbados 40-50 years, did not accumulate anything, but, now feel the need or greed to inherit@@@

    I hear these words all the time. what is to ,mean because people have to leave Barbados or taken from Barbados, or even obtain another passport, Leaving your door open or putting money on a bank account leaves not give no one rights over what is yours, By Will or bloodline, None of these crooks Liars and scumbags will walk to the Queen home or Bank and pull this whenever she dies,
    Did you ever hear the case of the 7 billion dollar cavemen?

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/03/zsolt-and-geza-peladi-cav_n_378481.html

    Now with this post, it seems Barbados lawyers and people put those same words in heads of the population to rob them , Everything on Earth set up by the whiteman has an Owner, no matter if you know or not for it , where is the law that say once you die all you own belong to lawyers and businessmen/women crooks,
    Remember Violet Beckles lived and never leave Barbados for over 92 years and they pass the word around Barbados in Town and Country Mark Cummins that Violet was dead, Even so, she Visits that building many times, He has seen her many times at UDC turn around and went out the Back Door,

  20. David Avatar
    David

    The blog just updated with a document posted to Facebook by Jackie Stewart. The basic redaction was not done by BU.

  21. David Avatar
    David

    https://www.facebook.com/jackie.stewart.965/videos/866361510240056/

  22. John Avatar
    John

    Caswell

    Looks like another case of a BLP member protecting other BLP members!!

    Caswell, you and Reverend Joe look like two actors!!

    The Odd Couple, Felix and Oscar.

    These two ladies could bring down the whole government!!

    You should have got your facts straight first and maybe you could have been helping them solve their problem instead of taking lashes.

    Unless you can refute the claims of these two ladies you should resign from the senate in shame.

    Rather than defend them, looks like you have made George Payne and Dale Marshall look like complete criminals.

  23. Mariposa Avatar
    Mariposa

    Caswell needs to stick to the job the people of barbados is paying him to do.
    It is a shame that Caswell would tried to defend these two alleged fraudsters Dale and Payne

  24. pieceuhderockyeahright Avatar
    pieceuhderockyeahright

    @ John the Quaker

    You do the Senator an injustice by the statements that you are promoting.

    I will explain

    There are 2 scenarios here.

    One where the ladies are lying in which case the two lawyers are safe (UNTIL ANOTHER MATTER SURFACES)

    Or where what they are saying is the Truth (which the ole man is inclined to believe given the first and only video I saw and its non professional elements. But de ole man ent Scotland Yard and is better known as a conspiracy theorist)

    Even if the second obtains a careful examination of the Senator’s comments solely say that he knew one of the parties in the matter and would have spoken to her from time to time and he provided some perspective on those chats up to the time that party died.

    He also makes a definitive statement as to the disposition of the deceased person with regard to other family members whom I understand are the parties on Facebook.

    He however definitively States that HE DOES NOT KNOW ANYTHING FUTHER ON THE STATUS OF THE LEGAL MATTER or what the deceased had advanced regarding such AT THE TIME OF HER DEATH.

    The SENATOR in fact does not endorse nor disclaim the lawyers Pain nor Teets.

    NOR DOES HE DISCLAIM THE CLAIMS OF THE TWO LADIES

    In fact de ole man would humbly observe that his statement has triggered a desirable outcome namely the submission of one of the documents in question regarding this matter.

    Now the conspiracist will get technical and delve into matters that only a conspiracy theorist can.

    The documents provided are “truthfully presented” a term that de ole man has been saying about the lady that I saw (I don’t use Facebook so i ent see the other one)

    By truthfully presented on means that her submissions have just the right amount of amateurishNess to affirm their genuineness. Look at the background of the documents.

    Okay thst aside let me comment on the green highlighter and the mispelt? word fraudalant?

    The documents supplied suggest the following to the conspiracist

    1.This is a campaign that is mounted by two parties who are genuine in their interests I.e. to secure this property

    2.there is a third party who is pushing these two persons on this social campaign

    3.The circumstances of the handover of the property is suspect BUT

    4.THESE PARTIES MAY NOT like others of us HAVE THE INTERCEDING DOCUMENTATION

    5.They may have attempted or still be in the process of bringing a case against Pain and Teets but BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE THE INTERCEDING DOCUMENTS LKKE SOME OF US HAVE their campaign has to be fought on innuendo.

    6.An INTERCEDING document of value would be a will and a letter that while not necessarily the last will and testament, would be adequate to show a chain of command that negates rather casts a shadow of doubt on the validity of the conveyance.

    7.ERGO THE HIGHLIGHTER AND THE WORD FRAUDULENT and the fact that their advisor told them to redact the names of the buyers since said persons may not be privy to the projected skullduggery

    8.It would suggest to the Conspiracist that WHILE SOME INTERMEDIARY skullduggery might have occurred, these two ladies AIDED BY THE THIRD PARTY, probably a DLP operative, are relying on innuendo and public sentiment to coerce a settlement AT BEST.

    9.It is a classic attempt to impute guilt EVEN IN THE ABSENCE OF REAL EVIDENCE RATHER CAST ASPERSIONS ON TWO MEN WHOSE REPUTATIONS ARE NOT IN THE BEST OF STANDING.

    Why one fellow has been called a teif by his fellow parliamentarian and de other is just a nasty liar and pretender.

    But Mia going find that out soon enough

    10.Teets and Pain looking to serve them defamation notices assuredly

    11.Mariposa you don’t have to exfoliate heheheh (the Honourable Blogmaster is not going give you up for your effort to undermine the BLP administration by this cheap shot hehdheh)

    This IMPUTATION WILL NOT BRING DOWN THE BLP.

    THE INTERNECINE BATTLES AND THE MEMBERS NATURAL PENCHANT TO TEIF WILL.

    FOLLOW THE MONEY LIKE THE FUN HAS and you will catch one of them out.

    NOT CAN YOU WILL.

    THE weak links are *** and *** and …

  25. pieceuhderockyeahright Avatar
    pieceuhderockyeahright

    @the Honourable Blogmaster your assistance please with an item for John the Quaker and Mariposa

  26. pieceuhderockyeahright Avatar
    pieceuhderockyeahright

    FBI not Fun* These little devices do their own thing

  27. T.Inniss Avatar
    T.Inniss

    The article in Today’s Nation said the Car Dealers were at every location the Sanitation personnel went – which obviously Mia found was strange.Note not at every meeting – just happened to be at the same place.

    And if as people were saying that is the same players who were around the last govt – then imagine how Freundel must have felt when everything they discussed and planned found itself in Mia’s hand .They would have been the Permanent Secretaries and certain staff placed in these positions by Owen no?

    EVEN SO WHY WOULD YOU DECIDE TO BRING THE SANITATION REPS BACK A MERE 4 DAYS BEFORE THEY WERE TO RETURN?

    This is more than passing strange and certainly does not add up – but anyway let the ‘explanations ‘ flow.

    Information is always good.

  28. John Avatar
    John

    Money laundering scheme with land needed and local agents employed to get it!!

  29. Mariposa Avatar
    Mariposa

    PDYR
    You can try to protect Caswell all u like However the ladies story is compelling given the fact that Caswell statements cannot provide any evidence that he had conversations with the dead lady
    While the two ladies provide documents as well as a story that indeed could not have been made up given all the dates names and people they had interacted with

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=866440443565496&id=100005986451739

  30. Lawson Avatar
    Lawson

    David gave good advise on another topic for Caswell to zip it. He seems to be hell bent on disregarding it thinking David only meant that topic. Stay above the fray picking sides will only cause you grief

  31. Mariposa Avatar
    Mariposa

    Caswell come out of hiding. You opened a pandora box based on he say she say verbiage
    Now come and defend yuhself the can that you kick down the road has your name on it and a list of lies inside of which you told about the two women
    Stop defending crooks and scalliwags ministers
    Question
    Why is it that old people always confide in you about their personnel business
    Btw if you had any integrity you would not divulge in public out of respect for the person
    Some one personnel business shared between indivuduals should remain private unless a court of law requested it to be shared in the court as evidence
    Bro you have openly shown you are not trustworthy and lack integrity

  32. Mariposa Avatar
    Mariposa

    Caswell shame bite yuh tongue sorry bro too late to hold yuh loose tongue
    The views and shares on social media in regards to your lying BU article are huge
    Go figure how you Senator Caswell would have been so cynical to allowed your name to be drag through social media mud just because you wanted to protect two snakes
    Yuh ought be ashamed of self duffus

  33. Mariposa Avatar
    Mariposa

    Good morning Caswell
    The heat is on these two women has tighten the noose around your neck the one which you tied yourself
    Wuh loss

    https://www.facebook.com/jackie.stewart.965/videos/868191410057066/

  34. Sargeant Avatar
    Sargeant

    Its interesting reading the blog from 2010 and the comments following

    @Enuff
    You may wish to give it a pass…….

    https://barbadosunderground.net/2010/11/27/the-role-of-george-payne-as-kingmaker-barbados-labour-party-owen-arthur/comment-page-1/#comments

  35. Anthony Prescott Avatar
    Anthony Prescott

    Corruption is deep in Barbados….This is the ex-AG “Conduct Probes Covering the Last 9 Years in Barbados” Click the link and sign-up https://bit.ly/2kv7DPH

  36. Mariposa Avatar
    Mariposa

    These stories are more than interesting but what is more of interest is how Caswell flew off the fence to defend George Payne and now his name being drag across social media as one towing the corrupt line of Payne and Dale
    Needless to say that Dale and George might be afraid of tassling with these two women out of fear they might have more legal documentation which they have not reveal
    Day after day like a none stop runaway train these two women are not afraid to hold Dale and George accountable
    Yet David BU in his haste to run cover for the alledge fraudsters could not help but find Caswell to defend them
    It is so laughable that after Caswell efforts these two woman has become bolder with there findings. While it seems that BU have thrown him under the bus allowing Caswell to be run over without David BU giving him a helping hand

  37. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    In all fairness to Caswell, he simply reported what was told to him by one sister, and it may be that that sister was deceptive and/or manipulative, and since both Caswell and her family have reported that she was a recluse/was not very friendly, it well may be that emotional/mental health issues were involved.

  38. David Avatar
    David

    @Simple Simon

    You felt you had to respond?

    Her head is hard.

  39. John Avatar
    John

    SS

    The sister was a “loyal member of the BLP”!!!!

    Her only problem was she had something other members wanted …. but it was not hers!!

    Haven’t you ever seen how the political party system works here?

    Even if you are not a member of either on it is pretty difficult to miss the markers here!!

    A woman brow beaten by a bunch no use people!!

    Caswell’s role talking to her every Sunday is intriguing!!

    … and the man admits it!!

    That’s why I say he and Reverend Joe are like the odd couple … Felix and Oscar!!

    Only if you are deaf, dumb, blind and cannot see would you miss something as glaring as this!!

  40. Mariposa Avatar
    Mariposa

    Simple Simon . How can you vouche for what Caswell is saying now what makes it worse is that Caswell version is full of holes which majes his statement as unreliable unless he can back them up with some form of proof
    Example his statement in reference to the ladies not visting and not returning to barbados the ladies have enough evidence to verify that was an untruth repeated by Caswell
    Caswell has allowed himself to be “used”by David Bu who seems to be running cover for the dirt in the blp
    Not good

  41. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    @John August 22, 2018 6:13 PM “SS The sister was a “loyal member of the BLP”!!!!”

    Her obituary said that she was a loyal member of the BLP.

    But very likely she did not write her own obituary.

    So “no” we don’t know whether or not she was a member of the BLP. And we certainly don’t know whether she was loyal or not, as today’s loyalty can be tomorrow’s disdain.

    Wasn’t Cohen so loyal to Trump, that it is said that he would take a bullet for Trump.

    Has Cohen taken a bullet for Trump?

  42. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    @Mariposa August 22, 2018 6:15 PM “How can you vouche for what Caswell is saying”
    The sister was a “loyal member of

    I haven’t vouched for Caswell. I’ve never met the man, so how can I vouch for him?

    Can’t vouch for any of the Holder women. I’ve never met them either.

    Knew George when he was a lil’ school boy in short pants, but since I haven’t had a conversation with him since we both became adults, fifty years ago I can’t vouch for him either.

  43. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    John August 22, 2018 6:13 PM “Even if you are not a member of either.”

    Not a member of any political party.

    Have never been a member of any political party.

    When I was young I did try to join one, but was told by a senior member, without explanation that the party “did not want people like me”

    I’ve never bothered a political party, nor a politician since then.

  44. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    @John August 22, 2018 6:13 PM “Caswell’s role talking to her every Sunday is intriguing!!”

    Many elderly, childless widows and widowers are lonely and glad to talk to someone. This propblem is especially acute in those who place a high value on the nuclear family. In a nuclear family what happens once the spouse dies or divorces? What happens when there are no children, nor grandchildren?

    In the old pre-oral contraceptive large family days childless women, married or unmarried raised nieces and nephews and any children in the village who needed mothering.

    But we have exchanged that

    For what?

  45. Simple Simon Avatar
    Simple Simon

    This lonliness in elders is becoming almost universal as people age, and nuclear families fracture into a single atom. Look where lonliness led this smart, well educated wealthy man:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/21/nyregion/a-new-wife-a-secret-past.html?&target=comments&hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&modref=HPCommentsRefer&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news#commentsContainer

  46. John Avatar
    John

    All I can say to Caswell is, read Rudyard Kipling … “The Female of the Species”!!

    … no relationship to the Brigadier!!!

  47. Mariposa Avatar
    Mariposa

    My morning check of social media see that Caswell us getting licks like peas
    Even names like crook
    Pity the senator had to be caught up in a scandal where his name was never mentioned as part of the alleged allegations against Payne and Dale
    Makes me wonder what was Caswell to gain in protecting them

  48. Mariposa Avatar
    Mariposa

    Caswell did you know this
    Shame on you if u did

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=869132559962951&id=100005986451739

  49. Mariposa Avatar
    Mariposa

    Caswell all across the blogosphere your name us bring linked to allege land fraud crooks Daleand Payne.
    Defend yuhself now that David BU has used you as a door stooper to fight Dale and Payne problems
    Wuh loss.

    https://www.facebook.com/100005986451739/posts/868243896718484/

  50. Piece Uh De Rock Yeah Right Avatar
    Piece Uh De Rock Yeah Right

    @ Mariposa

    De grandson said he would help your cause

    He had asked me to enquire of you what it was you were pillorying the senator for?

    Was it the fact that Caswell claimed that his friendship with the lady cased her to call him on sundays?

    Whey a certain deposed prime minister also had a friend who he went on record NATIONALLY to defend

    was it the fact that it seems that in all the Hullabuloo that Caswell did not take any money? Certainly when you examine the matters of Carry-away-a-Ton it cannot be said that he the Senator, took away $250K!

    Was it the fact that Senator Caswell ent extort twice the amount of money for services rendered to BIDC?

    Was it the fact that Caswell ent get a gratuity of $3.3 million dollars from said lady?

    Anyway de granson sent this Stoopid Cartoon to you

    I hope you likes it.

    He doing a next one for you too which he is sure that you going love but in the meantime you going love this

    https://i.imgur.com/v18yWdw.png

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