Whites Are Not Above Criticism

Submitted by the Mahogany Coconut Think Tank and Watchdog Group
Trevor Marshall(r)

Trevor Marshall(r)

The Mahogany Coconut Group stands firmly in support of historian Trevor Marshall’s views on the role of white Barbadians in the politics of their country. We also publicly declare that Marshall has never promoted racism but has spent almost four decades in highlighting social and economic issues that affect the entire country.

It was Marshall who first critically examined the role played by Sir. Grantley Adams in Barbados’ political development, to the best of our knowledge, Sir Grantley was black; it was Marshall who questioned the granting of National Hero status to many of Barbados’ National Heroes, most of whom are black. Therefore it is difficult to understand why he is only deemed a racist when he critically analyses the role of Barbadian whites in the country’s development.

We are amazed that some Blacks, who rushed to defend Mr.Ralph Johnson’s description of Barbadian workers as “lazy” and inefficient, would want to give Johnson credit, for essentially painting an entire work force with one brush but would want to crucify Marshall, for asking why Indo Barbadians and other minorities, are not placed in the Senate with the same regularity as whites. It was fair to ask why white Barbadians do not enter elective politics but use their corporate weight to influence public policy.

Whenever issues of race pops up, many Barbadians, seem almost alarmed, that the word white is used. We would be the first to admit that there has been tremendous progress among the Barbadians blacks and whites in terms of the social interaction but there remains a lingering concern about the role of white/traditional corporate structure, in the country’s political and economic development.

We are often regaled about whites who have pulled themselves up from poverty to great wealth. While we do not question this reality; it is also very true that many blacks have done so as well. We also submit that it would have been much easier for the whites to do so because of the underlying racism that was dominant at that period of time. Many aspiring black entrepreneurs could not even enter the banks and other financial institutions far less secure loans. We are still aware of many black business persons complaining that even, at the present time, there is still some concern.

Finally we ask : Why is it that we can criticize: our prime ministers, leaders of the opposition, ministers , parliamentarians, commissioners of police, governors of the central bank, chief justices, national heroes and others but apparently cannot criticize whites ?

134 thoughts on “Whites Are Not Above Criticism


  1. What is the author of this article trying to say?

    I am a black man who “rushed” in to support Bruggadown and his comments about workers in Barbados moving as fast as molasses

    I also “rushed in ” to remark on Well Well’s recent comment about the glaring phenomena across Barbados where one never sees a white maid, gardener, postman, policeman etc as if by some privilege of birth they are exempt from this menial labour confined to us blacks

    I guess that my ability to see the truth in both statements will be interpreted by you lot as the agility to be an Uncle Tom and in accepting what is correct, because of the color of the skin of the proposer, will now label one as a sellout.

    Behold, this is the inane reasoning that we have attained on this my rock!!!


  2. There are people who think whites are above criticism. Perhaps black folks still suffer from slavery ..mental slavery..just have to shake my damn head.

    Your last paragraph is true indeed. Maybe people forget that.
    WE ARE STILL AWARE OF MANY BLACK BUSINESS PERSONS COMPLAINING THAT EVEN, AT THIS PRESENT TIME, THERE IS STILL SOME CONCERN……And we are entering the 21st century


  3. We does criticize COW and BIZZY, Bruggadown, Kyffin now let me see who else that is white to name? Lawd I could count dem pon one hand but hey we outnumber dem bosie.

    Wunna say it is because of dem whites we black peoples doan get nuh loans from de bank? Now tell me who own most of the mortgages pon dis rock? An what colour is the skin of those loan officers again? Mohogany bird yuh shud say that it is many of our same kind that is preventing some of us from getting ahead.

    You think that iff we black peoples stop supporting dem all white enterprises dem wudda been so successful today? BUT de black man doan want he bruddah to mek nuff money, build a nice home wid a pool becuse dem tink dat he trying to be white and black man shouldn’t want dem tings. He should stay in his village and in his shack. Dat is where de black man’s place should be, not mekking money like de white man, living in a house like de white man and driving a car like de white man. De donkey cart was good enough fuh we black peoples so we shouldn’t want to change dat.

    We black people got a standard fuh white peoples and one fuh black peoples and de black man should NEVA try to change dat or else dem gine say he trying to be white.

    White people should be always pure and clean…like de Bible say and de white angels dressed all in white gine bless yuh. Jesus pon the stained glass got blonde hair and blue eyes and dat is how he gin remain iff black peoples leff he alone and stop tawking shoite bout a black Jesus. Who want a black man fuh a Jesus? Not dem black peoples…to dem Jesus is pure and white, yuh eva see him in a green or black robe?

    De massa tell dem dat white Jesus will save dem and dem still waiting fuh he to come and save dem. After 300 years dem still waiting. Even Bushie, GP and Alvin and nuff udders in hey waiting fuh de white Jesus tah come down from a White cloud to save dem. An eff a black one come dem gine stone he and say HE is de Anti Christ.

    Tek wunna pick wunna blaming de white man but wunna gots to blame wunna selves. Without us de white man cannot get rich…we are their meal ticket to wealth. So what are we going to do about it? Just continue to complain?


  4. I saw nothing wrong with what Mr. Marshall said. He made the statement that whites in Barbados do not face the electorate, but yet can find a place in Parliament. Most blacks fight they way to Parliament during elections whereas whites are given posts. Granted some blacks are also awarded posts, but the majority have to fight their way in. Are whites in Barbados above the rest of us?


  5. Perhaps the criticism os Marshall must be seen in the context of the need to reform of system of government. What is the relevance of the Senate? How independent is a GG who is appointed by the political directorate (PM).


  6. No David! What is wrong with Barbados is that it wants desperately to maintain a crypto-racist society at all and any cost, though DNA studies show they are no totally white people in Barbados, no totally African either!


  7. @ Mahogany Coconut Think Tank:

    You are correct to claim that the whites in Barbados are markedly absent and with a self-imposed marginalization in the political and public social life of the country.

    But ask yourself why do you think this is? Do you know what percentage of the population they represent these days?
    Maybe if those black bureaucrats in th BSS were a bit more efficient we would have the statistics from the 2010 Census to use as a point of reference and factual analysis.

    So the questions to your Think Tank are:

    Do you think whites would feel at ease in criticizing anything the ruling black administration does, whether D or B? Just look at how Dr. Frances Chandler and Ralph Johnson vehemently criticize with racially tainted venom just because they dare open their big mouths.

    Are whites the only ethnic group that allegedly control the economic wealth of this country but refuse to play a more positive and less parasitical role in the economic development and social cohesion of the country?
    What about the fast expanding population from the Indian sub-continent?
    We see whites contributing to our cultural life e.g. Crop over but notice a marked absence of participation of other ethnic minorities other than by the sale of imported goods and alcoholic and sugary drinks.

    And last of all, are you living in a historical cocoon when you posit that Bajan whites control the commanding heights of the local economy? What you are implying here is that these rumours about Bajans under the previous political black administration sold out the commercial life of Barbados to the Trinidadians are just mischievous ‘fabrications’ and not based in fact.

    White Bajans have to accept some of the blame for the current state of affairs. The have cowardly removed themselves from the mainstream social and political life of Barbados without preparing the blacks for the hard tasks ahead in managing a social and economic system they previously had little say in designing and shaping in their own image.

    How can you expect to create a group of people totally dependent psychologically on the model of political governance and wealth creation (plantation system) in which the white man is seen as the superior boss and the important cultural determinants are based on European fashioned values and icons like religion?

    The White people need to ‘cleanse’ their conscience and stop seeing the black man as their burden. To achieve this they must first come clean and tell the black people the Truth about the big lies they have been fed all these years.
    After this mutual catharsis has been undergone to exorcise that cultural demon afflicting the black people in Barbados then there can be a fresh start to undertake the journey of spiritual and cultural enlightenment and economic empowerment that can only come about in a belief in themselves and their abilities to carve out their own economic space in order to create wealth for current and future generations.

    It’s time to stop blaming the white man and take matters in your own hands. Freedom is not given readily to the enslaved, whether physical or mental. It must be fought for on both fronts.
    Amen!


    • @Miller

      BU has always maintained that the selling out of key assets by Bajan Whites to non Barbadian interest was all part of the lack of vision. Suppose they have their condos and bank accounts stashed so they feel comfortable.

      On 7 August 2013 13:24, Barbados Underground


  8. @ Miller

    The number of Whites is not the real problem. The real problem in a crypto-racist society like Barbados is that you have Blacks who benefit from the system and will never let go of that tit. Even if there were no Whites Barbados will still be a crypto-racist society.


  9. @David | August 7, 2013 at 9:30 AM

    What you are saying is reinforced by Pachamama @ | August 7, 2013 at 9:31 AM |.

    How can these same whites have “their condos and bank accounts stashed” and feel comfortable about it without the active support and connivance of the mainly black officials?
    Isn’t time that those immorally acquired capital gains make a greater contribution to the fiscal pot now the country is in dire need?

    Where are the bulk of these real estate and financial wealth located? Overseas or in the local system?

    When will this “black” administration start taxing these assets in order to extract higher contributions to the economic and social development of the country as a form of local ‘reparations’?

    Why must the same poor black man which both administration claim to be working for be asked to carry so much of the fiscal burden as they have always done under the plantation system this country is built on?


    • @Miller

      Would it not be interesting for the powers that be to study the outflow of foreign currency from Barbados and plot it to determine pasterns/relationships?

      On 7 August 2013 13:51, Barbados Underground


  10. Piece………..for some reason no one,, black or minorities wants to be criticized, they just want to stumble through life being praised for all the stupid things they do along with some of the good stuff they do, within the last 24 hours since i have come to certain realizations that have been hidden for decades and only now beginning to come to light (not even the lawyers in Bim knows about these things cause it was successfully blacked out from everyone, until now) that if the people in Bim don’t fix their internal mess including the mess within themselves, they are doomed. They have to remember, no one is going to tell them anything, they have the gift of brains, it’s time for them to start using it.

    Miller said:

    “White Bajans have to accept some of the blame for the current state of affairs. The have cowardly removed themselves from the mainstream social and political life of Barbados without preparing the blacks for the hard tasks ahead in managing a social and economic system they previously had little say in designing and shaping in their own image.”
    _______________________________________________________

    The bajan ‘white’ only does that because it’s easier for them to live when they are looked on a privileged and deserving of an easy life style and access to easy money, when the bajan society as a whole decides to let them know that they also have to pull their weight and not in the form of massa/slave, then they will definitely be forced to do the right thing. Stop encouraging them and they will have to adapt and comply. This also applies to the other minorities who are fully encouraged by the government of the day to be indefinite parasites on the people of Barbados.

    Miller after such realizations, some of which i am sure has also come into your hands, i absolutely refuse to read certain things on the media, have no more use for bad news…….glad to see this thread, a long time in coming.


  11. @ANNE
    “Black business persons complaining….”
    The time to stop talking about these situations and start acting is very long overdue! What we must accomplish are Case Studies of exactly what happened when Loan Applications were turned DOWN. It is easy for everyone to complain and discuss in generic terms BUT what are the specifics?

    My father switched Banks in the late 1960s/ early 1970s because Barclays would not increase his Company’s Credit Limits. Fact is he and his Partners were white and had a successful business for more than 30+yrs at that time! If he was black he could have claimed it was his race that precipitated the negative response. How many people of any race would want to accept a negative response even on valid grounds? Who wants to admit flaws in their situation?

    However, the Bank was legitimately concerned about Succession, all the Partners were very near Retirement and the younger cohort were mid to late 30s with little financing. Eventually the majority of shares were sold to facilitate future growth and the transition between age groups.

    Peeps we need to get to the bottom of this with actual Case Situations. We need to be sure that there is a problem because if so, it must be solved since this type of problem will retard growth for all. For example, if Black business gents like NE Wilson, the Millers, many shopkeepers/ supermarkets back in the 50s, 60s did not have financing then my father’s business would not have grown to the size it did. Businesses are sophisticated Human Systems and the concept of blocking black business DOES NOT make any SENSE! Barbados is far too small a market for such nonsense and white peeps are an inconsequential market for most products/ services.

    Assuming there is a serious problem then we need to establish a Loan Review System within a relevant organisation eg BIMAP (I dont know if this still exists but if not then its successor Org)


  12. Ha … here is the thing. Whites in this part of the world (includes North America of course) have developed the label White as a “standard”; one not only had to have the obvious physical traits, one also had to have an education and the means to sustain a particular standard of living. To do otherwise would relegate one to the level of “Trash” or “Red Leg” or “Bumpkin” or “Hill Billy”. Now Blacks have never seen it fit to adopt such a standard, they were ALL to be labelled as one, The Negro, niggers, African Americans, Brothers or just Blacks.

    Barbadian Whites as with Whites all over the Caribbean, have always understood this as most of them are derived from those who have been on the shitty end of the assessment campaign. Believe it or not, the entrance of Errol Barrow in the sixties and seventies allowed for many of them to move from being “Trash” to finally being White (irrespective of the “one drop” rule that so many Blacks are stupidly trying to enact) and that may not be something that they would want to lose. So there will be NO intermarrying. Bizzy was a pariah for making a decision that did not sit well withing the community.

    I believe in mixed marriages. I believe in the development of a truly New World breed that has left this White foolishness behind. Viewing the Blue Box Cart Cadooment band this year only shows the futility of such thinking.

    As for fixing the political process, Bush T would find the time to vent further.


  13. @Miller, Pacha et al
    You gents like wunna want to get real and place all the linens pun the table!
    This is exactly what is required! I would advise that you increase your Personal Security Budget as some pun here will not tolerate such levels of Analysis and Maturity.

    You berate whites that may have $$$$ overseas BUT then suggest that such assets should form part of the Common Pie????? Now you know why my $$$$$ are NOT in Bim!

    Burnham ruined Guyana with that type of thinking!

    Sir Errol and Sir Tom appreciated that Bajans are a Nation of shopkeepers/ businessmen and took Bim down that road while Manley and Burnham decided to go the Socialist Leftie route with PREDICTABLE FAILURE!

    BIM has been far more successful even though mistakes were made along the way. Attempting to create a relatively Free and Open Society attracts many more positives business activities than uncertain Socialist nonsense.


  14. Moneybrain said:

    “Barbados is far too small a market for such nonsense and white peeps are an inconsequential market for most products/ services.”

    ____________________________________________

    Money………….I heard that, get to the root of the problem, problem solved.

    Without that black market on the island, bajan whites would definitely not have any wealth to hide in other countries. Find out what is really going on and fix it.


  15. MoneyBrain

    Back off with your prejudiced comments on socialism. The shopkeeper driven economy is NOT a PREDICTABLE FAILURE as well? Stupse. Man you is blow hot and cold at the same time


  16. @Baffy
    Bim went down the Incentive/Business road and was/ is far MORE successful than Guyana/ JA! Not perfect just far ahead! If you doubt me ask any of the 20K+ Guyanese in Bim, why they in Bim? (Why are they in Can/ USA / UK????) It is NOT the love of Whitey, it is the $$$$$$$!

    Baf, people of all classes, colours and creeds WANT $$$$$$$$$! NOT SOCIALIST, talk just the $$$$$$ from Socialist leaning leaders.

    Properly organised Socialised Capitalism!


  17. @ MoneyBrain | August 7, 2013 at 10:31 AM |
    “You berate whites that may have $$$$ overseas BUT then suggest that such assets should form part of the Common Pie????? Now you know why my $$$$$ are NOT in Bim”

    No MB, whites should not be targeted strictly because of their wealth.
    Despite the ‘suspect’ means by which they acquired their wealth they should not be allowed to hold such wealth illegally overseas and not contributing to the general fiscal pot from which a large slice is allocated to defense and security for the maintenance of the local social apartheid system protecting both the few remaining whites and expanding aspiring elite blacks .

    We cannot be against the OECDS countries for going after their citizens’ offshore untaxed wealth kept in places like Barbados and the Caymans but still allow our own citizens both black and white for hiding their untaxed wealth offshore while benefitting from the socially healthy (for the time being) jurisdiction called Bim.

    But it would also be remiss of us (for the sake of balance) not to berate the local officials (mainly black) in this big scam if Bajan white people are indeed illegally hiding (which is very doubtful) their $$$$$ in overseas bank accounts. Is this wealth held with the legally required approval of the Central Bank of Barbados?


  18. @Miller
    “Suspect” Please expand pun dat as I dont understand how conducting a duly liscenced and Taxed Business is necessarily “suspect”?

    What truly amazes me is how Bajans of Wealth are comfortable leaving the majority of their $$$$$$ in Bim! Some of the Businessmen, peeps pun here love to berate, like COW, undoubtedly have the vast majority of their wealth in Bim ( he owns more Bim RE than any other person). They expose themselves to a Totally Disorganised Government who dont even pay for Construction work already completed and signed off on! COW is a great Bajan because I would NOT take the RISK he does in his business and with his Wealth in Bim. The Globe is my Oyster!

    Miller regarding Offshore, it seems Hypocritical to say that Bim can benefit from Tax Avoidance by Foreigners BUT Bajans cant place money overseas!
    LOL!

    Properly organised Countries are disposed to the Free movement of Capital. My good friends wife inherited $1mn from Singapore and had NO PROBS moving the $$$$ out! Bim would have NOT allowed that! WHY?
    Nations that are well managed, lowly Taxed and free ATTRACT CAPITAL and thereby create tons of JOBS!

    Bajan black peeps move out big $$$$$ too! This is exactly why pointing fingers at Whites is not so simple an exercise. Regarding pointing fingers always remember that there are 3 fingers pointing back in your direction when anyone points.


  19. @ MB

    Our comment doesn’t mean that Whites have not benefited from racism, are not still benefiting and are not still racist but we also think that if after nearly 50 years of ‘independence’ and fundamentally Barbados is the same it should tell us that those who have been in political power want things to remain the same way. A Black political elite has created more White multi-millionaires than in the slave era. When you have Black elites still seeing knighthoods as the highest accolade something is wrong.

    MoneyBrain, we only hope that when we have cause to make these same kind of biting comments about Whites you would be just as dispassionate in your analysis. You know Whites don’t mind when we cussing other Black people but when we have to interrogate Whites you like to behave as if, like god, they should be immune from any frontal critique.


  20. Miller said:

    “Despite the ‘suspect’ means by which they acquired their wealth they should not be allowed to hold such wealth illegally overseas and not contributing to the general fiscal pot from which a large slice is allocated to defense and security for the maintenance of the local social apartheid system protecting both the few remaining whites and expanding aspiring elite blacks .”

    _____________________________________

    Despite all glaring (man-made) social differences with wannabe ‘whites’, wannabe ‘elite blacks’ and complacent black taxpayers, the new paradigm shift that has taken place demands that everyone get on board and fix the problems so as to be able to move forward. If according to some, bajan whites have shifted money to other jurisdictions, and in true wanna be black ‘elite’ style, they too would copy, just to one up their own black people, by now i am sure they have become aware that they themselves are no longer safe in the new transition period. HA!!


  21. Most Bajans still can’t see the brainwashing the politicians from the D’s and B’s did in the 50’s, 60’s and onward for what it is.

    Divide and destroy.

    That’s why we are in the mess we are in.

    When we figure it out, buckle down to work and actually begin to care again about our country we may have a chance.

    Till then, I reckon the downward spiral will continue irrespective of which party is in power.


  22. Problem is sell outs, It matters not the race of skin color when everything is for sale , the color of money is the main problem, with others undercutting the laws with fraud for the love of money ,,greed and deeds will down any Nation.
    Blacks run the country by face and white in the back ground with cash and the backing of BANKS.


    • @John

      Why do Bajan Whites socialize in their own spheres read away from Blacks?

      On 7 August 2013 15:50, Barbados Underground


  23. @Pacha
    Once you are exposing everything, scrutinising, analysing that is good. I have never said that historically or currently that all Whites have behaved or acted to perfection. My purpose for coming on here is to provide a different perspective, to elucidate, to provide balance etc.

    There is a full spectrum on both “sides” of the racial divide. Race is but one variable. My black friend in Jamaica, who is a MD, is not pleased when he takes his wife to a great Restaurant for Dinner in JA but has to endure a Wild, uncouth, black drug kingpin who is having a rowdy dinner with his top associates. The MD would not feel any better that he is a black guy making trouble, would he?


  24. John……….. the politicians too are very heavily brainwashed and programmed hence why they have continually undermined their own people. what gives me great pleasure to know is that they too have been kept in the dark for just as many decades and are totally clueless to the plan that they have always been so eager to help put into realization, it is 2013 and they still don’t know, but everyone knows what they did. HA!!


  25. So who else should the blacks blame? fuh christ sake our foreparents workedtheir backsides off for free .Didn.t even had the right to vote fartherless hadenough to buy a topsie to piss in. notforgetting that giving the right to buy or own property was denied. Now tell me who else to blame for the universal sentence handed down to blacks and Sanctioned by govts laws and rules. How can a race of people universally recover in a short pace of time economically and be on equal footings as Whites


  26. Those of you living outside of Barbados have no idea how Whites who have the economic power continue to manipulate. There is always the spectre of a White shadow in Barbados.


  27. @ MoneyBrain
    Yuh know Money, the tenure of way white people speak about these matters in public, far less in private seems always to be tinged with an insensitivity, even when you are trying to be objective, which you obviously are. The Queen of England is the biggest drug pusher. It is white people who thought black people about drugs. This writer personally knows the people, who for example, brought cocaine to Barbados for the first time. Is that not a bigger crime than the followers in the business.


  28. @David
    We have discussed why the races tend to socialise seperately. This is a tendency only, since back in the 1970s I went to dances featuring the BRC or Troubadors and was probably the only white person there.

    It was made very clear in the top schools back in the 1960-70s that White boys were not welcome playing certain sports. This contributed to the growth of Surfing which was originally “white”. Swimming was dominated by whites too. Most youngsters did not do what I did and ignore the abuse of some. Naturally, this contributed to division.

    Obviously many White people did not want to associate with those of colour.
    Why? It is human to act defensively when you are vastly outnumbered for if you dont, you will be absorbed. About a 80-100 years ago Sir Conrad Reeves, a successful black Judge, commented to a gent of lighter brown complexion who had shown interest in his daughter’s hand, ” Sinjun it is the Tan man, the tan that I would like to get away from”. Prejudice was a problem then and still is because of human perceptions in both directions.


  29. Money

    The White people from Guyana run and tek all there money with them. They were an exploitative tribe that needed to be reeled in. Burhnam with hind sight might have utilized a bit more subtlety

    The US virtually shut down the production capabilities of Jamaica and forced them into buying American subsidized products. Socialism did not fail, it was the back lash of those who stand opposed to it that has brought suffering to populations.

    As usual you convenient mix things up in ways that result in untruths …!


  30. Wait david whites control is everywait not exclusive to barbados. my biggest problem is that govts have allowed this control to continue by selling real property to the highest bider and if that wasn.t bad enough we have the millers and a lesser extent to u David asking to sell the remainding assests of what is left. LOL.then how are the bllacks going ever have anything when the bllack controlled govt is handing it over to whites lock stock and barrell.this shit must be stopped


    • @ac

      Will ignore your snide. If your were around BU in the early days you would be aware of many things.

      For your information Barbadians are generally risk averse and prefer to keep investment liquid.


  31. David | August 7, 2013 at 12:36 PM |

    “Those of you living outside of Barbados have no idea how Whites who have the economic power continue to manipulate. There is always the spectre of a White shadow in Barbados.”

    _______________________________________________

    David…………..you neglected to add, ably aided by a black person or wannabe ‘elite’ black or a black government minister standing right behind them to make sure their manipulations are successful, blacks have an equal amount of blame to shoulder, i have watched what has been happening in Bim for a very long time, Bajans and other people out here are very much aware, even the tourists, both black and white have observed that phenomena that is the racial divide and little apartheid hole in the ground that is Barbados and these tourists are only there on a temporary basis.


  32. Moneybrain

    I gun repost cause ain’ read wah I put up …

    Whites in this part of the world (includes North America of course) have developed the label White as a “standard”; one not only had to have the obvious physical traits, one also had to have an education and the means to sustain a particular standard of living. To do otherwise would relegate one to the level of “Trash” or “Red Leg” or “Bumpkin” or “Hill Billy”. Now Blacks have never seen it fit to adopt such a standard, they were ALL to be labelled as one, The Negro, niggers, African Americans, Brothers or just Blacks.

    Barbadian Whites as with Whites all over the Caribbean, have always understood this as most of them are derived from those who have been on the shitty end of the assessment campaign. Believe it or not, the entrance of Errol Barrow in the sixties and seventies allowed for many of them to move from being “Trash” to finally being White (irrespective of the “one drop” rule that so many Blacks are stupidly trying to enact) and that may not be something that they would want to lose. So there will be NO intermarrying. Bizzy was a pariah for making a decision that did not sit well withing the community.

    I believe in mixed marriages. I believe in the development of a truly New World breed that has left this White foolishness behind. Viewing the Blue Box Cart Cadooment band this year only shows the futility of such thinking.
    (I tend not to look at the private schools anymore … Vexations to the spirit


  33. @Pacha
    I dont understand what caused you to say this about insensitivity, drugs and the Queen so please provide your rationale.

    Regardless, it should be obvious that whites are involved in the drugs trade on many levels. They cook Meth, the CIA have been known to bring Cocaine in to finance various “Black Projects” and if high ups were not benefiting then they would Legalise coke, ganja etc and thereby cause a crash in the market price.


  34. Baf said:

    “(I tend not to look at the private schools anymore … Vexations to the spirit”

    ___________________________________________

    the private schools in Bim who consider themselves ‘white’ are a social disgrace, suffice it to say that they are now i believe, with the exception of St. Winifreds, majority black, but still practice the same apartheid wannabe system. It is also disgraceful that successive black governments sat idly by and watch the degradation, some of them were too intent on having their off spring attend those schools. One thing i must say, your child remains in a somewhat ( i said that for a reason) safer environment to the public schools, but the price you paid came with a racial stench practiced by some in the environment

    Baf………….take heart, most of the parents black, white or wannabe are at this time unable to pay the school fees, they are broke, that balances out the ignorant and stupid practices, just watch the deterioration and smile.


  35. History suggests that mixing in the Caribbean of different tribes especially those from Africa and Europe has been ongoing for over four hundred year with the majority here and now irrespective of their melanin content very well mixed.


  36. @ millertheanunnaki: In answer to your questions:
    1. No. Whites have nothing to fear. Whites have been known to criticise both BLP and DLP administrations. We know of no recriminations. And there must no recriminations . We support freedom of expression.
    2.You are correct. The Indo and other minorities are not as involved as they should be. We note that in the last elections Indo Barbadians were quite visible and they have been Indo candidate(s) or in at least 1/2 elections. We also note there was another minority non-white candidate in the last two elections.
    3. When a deep analysis of the economy is done, it will show that whites still control the real wealth in the country.
    Your submissions give us much food for thought. Thanks for the resonse


  37. Baffy
    The white people run from Guyana?

    Sounds terrible put that way BUT how come my formerly rich Guyanese friends are NOT white?????????? Mulattoes, Indians and Blacks runway as they should when LFB decided to mash up. My own father’s interests were negatively impacted BUT he sold, took the haircut and left with his head intact. A lil family pain, but it is the Guyanese people that suffered then and still suffering now from LFB’s thiefing everyone’s money and enriching himself. I will wager that there is a much higher proportion of better off black Bajans than Guyanese blacks.

    Indeed, I would strongly recommend that a clever group of Bajan Black Businessmen should be invited to Guyana to turn the Country around!

    I am not necessarily suggesting that you are being intellectually dishonest in the way you put it BUT you could be. lol

    The US et al would have done Black peeps in JA a disservice to contribute to the absolute delinquency of encouraging Leftist nonsense. Let those inclined fly to Cuba on a ONE WAY ticket! The Americans would be absolutely dumb to sit idle and encourage another Cuba on their doorstep!
    BTW please realise that the Islands of the Cbean still run by the US and European Countries have the HIGHEST STANDARD of LIVING for Black people in the region eg St Thomas, Martinique, Curacao etc.

    Please notice that, unlike the Leftists, the Freer Countries permit the people to decide their own direction by leaving for other climes. Just leave those of us who want an INCENTIVE System without PROHIBITIVE TAXATION alone to make bountiful progress and raise the Standard of Living for ALL!
    I do believe we should have great Education, Health Care etc for ALL.


  38. @David
    If White Bajans feel content that they should have no fear of the black majority, then in my opinion they are STUPID! Surely they secretly harbor their doubts and many are armed just in case that hate is fomented!

    In every country in history Pols have pointed at minorities as the scape goat for the Pols own stupidity and poor leadership! Germany of the 1930s!


  39. Moneybrain………..i really don’t believe that bajan blacks mean any harm to the bajan white minority, and i have always known bajan whites to arm themselves, i have seen them get drunk and you know what they do and say when they get drunk, i don’t have to tell you.

    Money said:

    “In every country in history Pols have pointed at minorities as the scape goat for the Pols own stupidity and poor leadership”
    _____________________________________

    local bajan pols have disenfranchised their own people by chasing some myth, fantasy, facade and should be blamed accordingly for aiding and abetting the nonsense that is seen in Bim….bajans are much better off than most, but could be even better.


  40. The problem here in Barbados is that far too many Black Bajans are of the opinion that Black people should only criticize Black people and no other race.

    That is why I am constantly vilified here on this blog for daring to point out rubbish when it is spoken by members of other races.

    The Oreos on this blog are livid when a contrary opinion to that which is spoken from a member of another race is offered. How dare a little Black person say the person of the other race is not correct.

    The Central Bank Govenor had to take the head of the IMF to task over some of her policies and there was a fire storm here on Barbados Underground. How dare he talk to her like that. “Miller” even went as far as to say that he ought to know his place.


  41. @ Carson C. Cadogan | August 7, 2013 at 4:10 PM |
    “How dare he talk to her like that. “Miller” even went as far as to say that he ought to know his place.”

    Not only was he implicitly and embarrassingly put in his place by the IMF top brass and having to write a letter of subservient apology but also by Sir Frank Alleyne when he (Worrell) advised the PM to cut $400 million. Why do you think the Bim suffered a serious downgrade to junk status?

    Now tell us Carson, who has the PM ears these days? Dr. W or Dr. A? Or Dr. Booby Carson Can don any thing?

    Or is it a case of any number can play since none knows their elbow from their arse in managing this economy?

    Skippa, this economy is not a straightforward case study in a text book on economic management. But a seriously complicated balancing act on a tight rope with too many chiefs and tool little Indians in the circus.

    Only a leader with commonsense and sharp intellect (many dying young and in office) dare take on the challenge. Poor Sinckler and Freundel are lacking in both areas and might just live to a ripe old age even if not in political dog years.


  42. Piece……………..i just went to a supermarket and needed to find something, was not sure of the aisle, this white female who was packing groceries on the shelves walked me to the aisle i needed to find the item…………just to expand, i have never seen a bajan white female packing shelves or working in a local supermarket in Bim unless it was some merchandising gig in SuperCentre………..they really need to expand their horizons on that island, the differences are much too glaring and makes it seem that the island relishes third world status. They need some bajan white baby sitters and home health care workers, enough with the pretend social status.


  43. Baf said:

    “So there will be NO intermarrying. Bizzy was a pariah for making a decision that did not sit well withing the community.”
    ____________________________________________

    And what his brother COW said as a consequence to him marrying a black female from the majority black population is a total disgrace and insult to the same people on the island who made him wealthy, that is why i am adamant that the likes of COW should not be allowed to dictate anything concerning the majority black people on the island. That is why the politicians on the island are seen as stupid and and poor leadership, none of them said a word to rebuke or critize Cow and put him in his place or as a matter of fact put anyone of them in their place when they are insulting the population.


  44. @ David[BU]

    Sedition and Anarchy

    I quote “Would it not be interesting for the powers that be to study the outflow of foreign currency from Barbados and plot it to determine patterns/relationships?”

    I, Delisle Worrell, Governor of the Central Bank, anno domini, do hereby seek immediate sanction against BU, its editors, and supporters, excluding AC/DC and Carson Cocky Locky Cadogan, for inciting the public to ask questions of my immaculate conception and incarnation and the purposely constructed, mal performing, inneficient reporting mechanism i personally commissioned for our Central Bank Forex recording system. (Not to be confused with the Oracle system that Marion purchased for $4million dollars, training inclusive, and which, as the first order of the day, I had discontinued on my taking office)

    Indeed I call upon the other Central Bank Governor on Bay Street from whom i get my spiel Chris Sinckliar and his boss, (for the time being), Fumble, to call out the “men wid boots and more boots” dat Gabby does sing bout, to immediately assemble at the inept Data Processing Unit and march from their CPUs (or the servers of the Statistical Department) to crush this cyberspace legion of discontent.

    I Delisle have sighted (rastafari for seen) that the Statistical Department computers should be the ones you use since they, the SS, should, by now, have a list of all the dissenters, with addresses, these 3 years after the census is due.

    To the which, I Delisle do hereby sign my name, the dancinest Central Bank Governor of Barbados


  45. Meanwhile in another part of the forest….All over the Western world West Africans are settling down be they from the Caribbean or Ghana, Nigeria, etc. They have moved into the white world voluntarily. Do they complain of racism? You betchya. Can they get loans and mortgages? Yep. Do they wish to return to their country of origin for a better life? Hmm.


  46. @ Well Well. | August 7, 2013 at 6:10 PM |
    “that is why i am adamant that the likes of COW should not be allowed to dictate anything concerning the majority black people on the island.”

    You seem not to really have a good handle on the black Bajan psyche.
    You mean after reading Willie Lynch’s advice way back in the 1700’s you still can’t fathom the amount of damage that has been inflicted on the psyche of the black woman and man who see the whites as gods and controllers of the black man’s destiny.
    Aping the white man is the black man greatest marker of high achievement in any sphere of life in Barbados.

    You mean if Willie Lynch knew this way back when do you think the whites are not actively aware of it today?
    Just look how easy it was for Holmes Williams and David Durant the black gopher to bring off a successful electoral coup de grâce to the BLP by inviting Bonke to Barbados late last year to seek the white god’s blessing on the DLP and to influence the minds of the blacks to vote in a certain manner according to the White man god’s will.

    Now which beautiful black woman in her right undamaged mind would want to marry a regular Bajan white man? Maybe a white man living in or from USA, Canada or Europe.

    Don’t you see the physiological damage the Sun has done to that race not evolved to handle the Sun but the cold?
    Is it for wealth and prestige among her kith and kin?
    If marriage is about material wealth and social recognition well go ahead.
    But spare a thought for any offspring.

    There is a lot of early inbreeding among Bajans and especially among the whites with a much limited gene pool to reproduce from. Miscegenation might be the only option available to save the remnants of the Celtic and Anglo-Saxon genetic material in Barbados.


  47. When you move into the Western world, Europe and North America you move with the knowledge you are moving into a white majority environment and would expect to meet some racist idiots, not all the time, but it does happen, how you handle it is another matter. You don’t expect to see the same practices in a black majority country with a wannabe white minority who when they come into the western world are treated no differently and cannot pretend they have any better than or higher up social standing, they know their place from quite early.

    As a matter of fact, i was on a flight to Kennedy with two bajan whites, i think one of the guys played with the group Ivory band at some point, at least that is what he said, when we reached Kennedy they tried to jump the line, i believe they were trying to show a female black bajan who was on the same flight that they were still relevant and had special status in the US, well the male guard at JFK was having none of that, he told them straight up, please get back in line like everyone else…………suffice it to say, we had a hearty laugh out loud. It is time some of them who have nasty motives also be shown their place in Bim.


  48. Miller………………..i heard that loud and clear, i would definitely not marry a bajan white, most unattractive male i have come across, definitely not my cup of tea, i don’t deal with melting candles and because of the inbreeding they all look like melting candles. Something would have to be very wrong with a black female with strong genes and the best quality skin that ages at the slowest rate to want to mingle with that, but i try not to judge, to each his own.

    Yeah, the black bajan is definitely a programmed soul who, despite all that education cannot see the forest for the trees. Religion is their downfall, they continue to be their own weakest link to any significant changes that would move them forward and out of the cycle that sees them being described as less than. The politicians are the worse, love to invoke god and religion in all their inept dealings. Maybe if we say it often enough, something will stick.


  49. MoneyBrain @ COW is a crook , We will see how great he is when he fall like Allen Stanford for Fraud and We will see how this so called great White Hope stole and hide his funds ,
    COW , was not to invest in Barbados any more and moved to St Lucia? So why he look to come back now,?
    How we for forget so fast ,
    This is Why we must never stop until all is known.


  50. Plantation…………..i think Moneybrain got a little over excited and took a break, which he would come back soon.


  51. David | August 7, 2013 at 11:58 AM |

    @John

    Why do Bajan Whites socialize in their own spheres read away from Blacks?

    On 7 August 2013 15:50, Barbados Underground
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Most Bajans, including myself, are scared sh#tless of the sea at Cattlewash!!

    Bajans socialize according to class not colour.


  52. Well Well. | August 7, 2013 at 1:14 PM |

    the private schools in Bim who consider themselves ‘white’ are a social disgrace, suffice it to say that they are now i believe, with the exception of St. Winifreds, majority black, but still practice the same apartheid wannabe system.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    If you did some research into St. Winifred’s you might be surprised at the results you find.

    I said along time ago if anyone wants to really understand oppression they need only look at how women were/are treated.

    St. Winifred’s comes out of the era of the suffragettes when women had to fight to get the vote far less an education.

    They won on both scores but you won’t hear them blowing their trumpet, just moving on.

    St. Winifred’s started as a girl’s school and became co-educational once its goals were achieved.

    St. Winifred’s is about gender, not colour and it is about overcoming oppression.

    The stuck records here on BU could learn a lot if they really wanted to by studying the history of that school.

    My bet is that most of the stuck records are male and most are in their 60’s!!

    Profiling sometimes works!!


  53. @David
    I am not sure but are these places offering the same type of facilities?

    My nephew shoots at Waterford and a dark girl near to him one night mishandled her gun and the bullet went cross him just inches away. I dont know if he switched BUT that woulda had me thinking. LOL


  54. John have you really seen how the two Barbados’ socialize? At some parties where bot races are present , there is a wide open field in the middle with the whites on one side and the black people on the other side.

    How many of these whites invite black people to their homes? How many black people invite whites to their homes? Look on FB look at the friends of the white bajans. Look at the skin colour. Count the blacks you see as their friends. After 300 years there still is no integration. I know it is not by chance.


  55. MoneyBrain | August 7, 2013 at 10:38 PM |

    My nephew shoots at Waterford and a dark girl near to him one night mishandled her gun and the bullet went cross him just inches away. I dont know if he switched BUT that woulda had me thinking.
    …………………………………………………………………………..
    And if I were a not so dark a girl shooting at Kendal,and I see a darkless visitor,tourist type, walk off the street and was handed a gun, without even recording his ID,and then see that same man put the gun to his head and shoot himself…………….that too woulda had me thinking.


    • @John & Moneybrain

      Why do Whites feel comfortable liming at Blakey’s on Hastings? MB we excuse you because you are outside Barbados but you should be getting the point. Not a Black face! The need to segregate continues.


  56. Separate but Equal. Big and large and most Black Barbadians do not give a shit … I on the other hand do. There is an element of extreme contempt that has been sown and nurtured for generations, but not consciously, and it starts in the private schools (sorry John, thnx Well Well). Whites can claim to be here longest, but we eat the same food worship in the same church, speak the same language and cuss in the same way. In fact White Bajans have developed into pretty good wukkup artists just like the rest of us. I would have hoped that by now there would a sea on mixed marriages and interracial off spring… but no!

    I remember a few years ago a tribe of Closed Brethren sent to Argentina for a fresh stock of White women … My God


  57. An old acquaintance of mine started Boat Yard as a liming spot for young Whites … that was his claim and he was surprised at the number of Blacks that started occupying the place. He said that the Whites moved on to other spots (like Harbour Lights).

    Every year around Crop Over time they arrange a “rave” in some open beach front area, (accomplished through Facebook link ups) and every year the young Blacks make a point to infiltrate. The DJ’s are forced to move from their preferred Techno music to a more widely accepted diet of Soca and Dancehall


  58. And isn’t strange how “BROWN” white has become? In many schools the whites eat lunch together. BUT I understand when they get to the big White countries over and away, some of them too glad to see a black Bajan face. The black Bajan then becomes one ah wee. But let them come back home see if they will still be friends with the same black Bajan. They adhere to the unspoken rule.


  59. David | August 7, 2013 at 10:32 PM |

    @John

    Do you live in Barbados?

    Why do White shoot at Kendal and NOT Waterford? Is this about status?
    +++++++++++++++++++++++
    David | August 8, 2013 at 12:14 AM |

    @John & Moneybrain

    Why do Whites feel comfortable liming at Blakey’s on Hastings? MB we excuse you because you are outside Barbados but you should be getting the point. Not a Black face! The need to segregate continues.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    Never shot at neither!!

    Did get an invite once to shoot at Paragon!!

    Remember the Saturday afternoon well, a Chinaman, and all shades of grey!!

    Have a cousin who shoots at Waterford.

    That is the extent of my socializing with the class of Bajans who shoot for recreation.

    Do you shoot or have you ever shot at Waterford or Kendal, … or Paragon with the class of Bajans who shoot?

    Maybe I will take up archery and join another class of Bajans!!

    With regards to Blakey’s, never been there in my life.

    Don’t drink … much … and don’t plan on joining the class of Bajans who drink

    …… have drunk more pluses and cokes with buddies in more rum shops around Bim than most ,,,, but I do have a favoured one … in St. Andrew!!


  60. BAFBFP | August 8, 2013 at 12:27 AM |

    I remember a few years ago a tribe of Closed Brethren sent to Argentina for a fresh stock of White women … My God
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The Closed Brethren are yet another class of Bajans who choose to socialize based on belief.

    No sweat for me if they choose mates who also are of the same belief. You would need to show me their belief is somehow inimical to Barbados for me to take notice …… but then you would also have to show me you have made a study of what they believe!!

    Shooting guns and drinking liquour don’t require any strong belief in anything.

    Perhaps if Barbados can support the gun shooters and rum drinkers it can also support some believers too!!


  61. @GP
    Dont know if I ever stood near the Sandbox Tree, most of my standing was on the playing fields! Passed the ST going to Hall!


  62. @Col B
    You neglected to recognise that my quote had —LOL??????
    While it was a true story, I was making mock sport! I have no fear of interacting with peeps of any race, class or creed, for the simple reason that is how I have always conducted myself from the age of 4.


  63. John………….you obviously don’t know or pretending not to know as much as you should about St. Winifreds, from the time Annie Binks was appointed principal it was about out and out racism at that scholl, there is a very close relation so you are not telling me i am telling you…………..she had to be kicked out of the Ursulines for that nasty attitude, even with their warts i give them credit for that, that was many years ago, i can give you many more stories that are well known on the island but what’s the point, it’s really time to stop the pretense and charade, with what is coming down it’s time to look past social pretenses and start trying to move away from the 16th century mentality, or you will soon also be witness to the ones who believe themselves to be higher up and better off also rummaging through garbage cans just to eat on a daily basis. As i know it to has always been St. Winifreds is still a predominantly ‘white’ school and have recently added boys.


  64. John

    Shite man there are Black closed brethren here in Barbados. I fail to see your thrust. If you and Money do NOT fit the profile of those who are being described here, you have no business here.

    Separate but Equal is an embarrassment and a supreme exhibition of contempt … and the longer it obtains the worse it gets. Do you or do you NOT agree …?


  65. Moneybrain………….i was the sweet woman you missed, you did not know that???? looks like you slowing down….. LOL!!!


  66. @David et al
    There is no doubt any minority will tend to associate together. Here in TO it is common for darker folks, Chinese, Indians to sit at the same table or stand together while having drinks etc ( I am referring to people that didnt know each other previously). Indeed, I tend to sit with a dark Bajan at such events even though he is technically a competitor and we never see each other in other parts of our lives.

    It is no secret that Bajan whites have been trained for centuries to segregate. On the other hand I lucidly remember in 1975 when a Jamaican guy came to live in our hostel in London and he purposely acted to cause a rift between me and the darker peeps with whom I had been associating. This guy had absolutely no basis besides outright racism for his actions and very few people permitted his BS to have any effect on existing relationships. So Jammies are often racial as hell! However, I have dark Jam friends who are open to association. This chap quickly became despised by many of the dark folks from the Cbean, not to mention other lighter groups like Chinese.

    Interesting Jammie was a chap on my Cricket team who called one Sat about an hour before a game to ask me to pick him up, even though it was out of my way I did go to his location. On arrival he says to me he no longer requires a lift. WHY? I did not ask since I assumed he was testing how genuine an associate I was. This chap would bring a white girl to Cricket who was a combination of the Blimp and the Michellin Man and boast off to me about his ‘activity”. What he was trying to do was see if he could ryle me up BUT internally i was laughing at him since he was the victim of poor psychology to settle for such.


  67. @ Island Girl 246 August 8, 2013 at 5:50 AM |

    “….and isn’t strange how “BROWN” white has become?”

    You know it is by these comments that you identify those of us who are in the trenches with the phenomena and not in their “houses in the heights” physically or mentally.

    You are one of the few who in making this simple statement are in tune with the reality of our stratification.

    Tell them how Ms. White the forever F&B teacher scoured the entire St. Winifred’s school looking ONLY for the black children to clean the pots after school for the whites to use the following day.

    Or how the white kids in class *** during a gift exchange at Xmas bought monkey paper and met at one white girls home and wrapped ALL OF THE PRESENTS FOR the black kids in paper with a monkey emblazoned over it.

    Or the white girl who while reading the memorable Tom Sawyer made sure to echo the line about “it was very niggardly of a black student” to do some unrelated action.

    I will not go into what happened when after saying the work three times how the parents were summoned to the school and the girl repeated that she used the word nigger at home regularly with his mother and father.

    Wake to fxck up and realise that Massa day is not dead in BIM.


  68. Baf said:

    “I remember a few years ago a tribe of Closed Brethren sent to Argentina for a fresh stock of White women … My God”
    ________________________________________

    The bajan ‘white’ has to import females to stave of the destruction caused by the inbred bloodline, as Miller was stating if they don’t start practicing miscegenation, the couple bajan ‘whites’ on the island will effectively die out, their best bet would be to mix with the black race who has the stronger gene pool, longer lasting quality skin that ages at a slower rate, but in doing so they will definitely have to give up the pretense of being better than the average black on the island.

    Baf………………..over the years i have had relatives from North America and Europe who attended the private schools in Barbados for a period of time before returning to these countries, i have always had to put in my presence because of the dangers associated with the partitioning off of the students in an attempt at apartheid, the last relative i had who attended one of the private schools had an extreme culture shock, imagine someone from New York having a culture shock in Bim……….she was disturbed that the ‘white’ students sat in one corner and the ‘black’ students sat in the other, the mixed race students at that point had to pick a corner or sit by themselves, we are talking about a classroom with kids being taught by black teachers, very dedicated black teachers i might add who were/are given the same treatment by the idiots who run the school, the students could only learn these traits at home and from their parents along with the administration at the school who condone the behavior……..suffice it to say i had to intervene a couple times to let them know that in NY they are known as trailer park trash and would be also known as that in Barbados if it was not for Errol Barrow giving them a hand up after the island became independent. Although the length of stay was short for my relatives, 4 years, i still had to be making sure there was no long lasting psychological damage brought on by the experience, so i don’t have to tell you what happens to the ones who have to stay on the island, they turn into barflies, drug addicts etc, etc, that goes for both races.

    Baf………..we know that these practices are encouraged and started by the people running the schools, the nuns for the school who has them or the administrators and principals who are so inclined, the division starts in the schools and extends to adult life, if the government had the brains or balls they were born with, this would never have been allowed to continue. Errol Barrow may have inadvertently started it, but he had too many fires to put out in that era to do anything about it, these successive governments the island has had over the years have no such excuse, as a matter of fact Tom Adams was one to highly encourage such disgusting behavior given he did not know himself or who he was at that time.


  69. Baf said:

    ‘”He said that the Whites moved on to other spots (like Harbour Lights).”

    __________________________________________

    Tom Adams allowed them to name in Racials in the 80’s, glad they had a name change.

    Formerly known as harbor fights, a friend of mine had to punch out a bajan ‘white’ one night for telling him we don’t want no niggers in here, there is no reason to continuing the pretending, there is definitely a reason to join together and start the rebuilding.


  70. BAFBFP | August 8, 2013 at 10:02 AM |

    Separate but Equal is an embarrassment and a supreme exhibition of contempt … and the longer it obtains the worse it gets. Do you or do you NOT agree …?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    If equals chose to be separate of their own free will who am I to agree or disagree?!!

    If they break any laws now …… that is a different story

    BTW by equals I mean “Black” and “White”

    … and I thank you for pointing out the fact that closed Brethren are comprised of all shades of grey!!

    I have no problem with those who enjoy the sea at Cattlewash as equals separating themselves from other equals who are scared sh#tles of that sea (like me) but who are equally able to enjoy it if they so desire.

    I see absolutely nothing wrong or sinister with it nor do I consider it embarrassing or an exhibition of contempt.

    I have other things doing in my life.


  71. Well Well. | August 8, 2013 at 10:23 AM |

    Baf said:

    “I remember a few years ago a tribe of Closed Brethren sent to Argentina for a fresh stock of White women … My God”
    ________________________________________

    The bajan ‘white’ has to import females to stave of the destruction caused by the inbred bloodline,
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    If you think about it you will realize that it is far more likely that the slave population suffered more from inbreeding as it was tied to one location.

    Free men and women (of any colour) could come and go as they pleased, slaves could not. The free community had links to Canada, the US and the UK.

    In the special case of the Closed Brethren I was always told growing up that Dr. Emtage, also I believe a member of the Closed Brethren, advised the elders of the need to avoid inbreeding.

    I seem to remember many wives and husbands came from the US and Canada. All communities would have been aware of the danger and acted to suit to exchange genes….. not only the one in Barbados.


  72. John said:

    “If you think about it you will realize that it is far more likely that the slave population suffered more from inbreeding as it was tied to one location.”

    __________________________________________–

    And i agree, but you also have to agree that it is not as harmful visually on the black population as it is on the ‘white’ population, the black population still carries the stronger structural gene the only thing i was always worried about is the psychological damage done to the blacks caused by forced inbreeding, in saying that, inbreeding by local whites was/is completely voluntary in the attempt to preserve and continue a myth of pretend superiority.

    ____________________________________________

    John said:

    “Free men and women (of any colour) could come and go as they pleased, slaves could not. The free community had links to Canada, the US and the UK.”

    ______________________________________

    Thank you for re-enforcing a point both Miller and I have continually tried to make to the people like Adrian, Incorrecto and sometimes Moneybrain when he is in a mood. Though they try to complain about how much is owed by Barbados to them because the British did their foreparents some wrong or other which is real or imagined, they were free to travel or get British, Canadian or US status, the slaves were not free to do anything, forced imprisonment was the order of the day………….i thank you for highlighting that discussion in a positive light i might add.


  73. @ Well Well
    “……the black population still carries the stronger structural gene….”

    Can you explain exactly what you mean by “stronger structural gene”?


  74. Nostradamus | August 8, 2013 at 11:50 AM |

    @ Well Well
    “……the black population still carries the stronger structural gene….”

    Can you explain exactly what you mean by “stronger structural gene”?

    ____________________________________________

    Skin cancer and early aging are less prevalent in the black race and that applies to blacks worldwide.


  75. MoneyBrain@ is this your first time on BU? How you think he got were he is now, Will he ever write a book and show you?
    Audit and study who you seem to look up to or google ,Or just ask question to other like you , Be your own C S I , or do a search and see what you can find ,
    To long and to must to re post on BU for one person , Or ask COW himself and then look for the Plantation Deeds you think he may own , or his lawyer Sir Cheltemham on White Park road, After they lie to you then we can go from there Post their replies .
    We bet you love Madoff and Standford also until the US Government charge them and jail them on 65 B and 7 Billion PONZI fraud, CLiCO is there also with the land deals with not clear titles.David Simmons also with many of your big law firms ,
    Ask the Mof Sinkman and Todd also … keep asking you can see for self, Have fun for now


  76. @Deeds
    That was a somewhat elongated DIATRIBE!

    I requested that you supply some evidence or at least solid info, rationale, examples, I never said you were necessarily wrong, how can I be sure that anyone, including (maybe especially) The Pope, have behaved inappropriately.??????

    You would definitely lose your bet with regards to my opinion of Madoff et al! Indeed, peeps pun here should be very familiar with my rants condemning Wall St and WASHINGTON for the Gargantuan Financial Mess in which we are ALL ensconced! If i was in total control many White Collar Criminals would be in Club Fed! You would be considered for a penal placement since you accuse people without any further info!


  77. MoneyBrain @ BARCLAY”S TO FIRST CARIBBEAN


  78. On the issue of ageing, I have often wondered why black women keep their looks longer than white women. I once asked the question of a pharmacologist. Her answer was that black women have more sub-cutaneous fat than white women. So there you go……


  79. Some eduction for those who may not be aware……..

    __________________________________________

    “theoham14 minutes ago
    Europe is reeling from an influx of non-Europeans. But it’s too late. Hell, everybody else in the world has some measurable amount of melanin in their skin, brown eyes, and black hair, except them. Europe is not a continent anyway. They are a global minority. Better get used to being phased out. Can’t stop it. Hehehehe….”

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