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Are we witnessing the result of a clash of civilizations? Credit: Opinion Maker

We would have preferred that our esteemed colleagues, who are experts in the rich and diverse Islamic traditions and its last Prophet (PBUH), be the ones most capable of defending a dynamic set of cultures as followed by two billion people throughout the world. The recent publication of a poorly produced promode of a non-existing โ€˜movieโ€™ was constructed for the precise purpose of insulting the Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) and his followers and is properly located within a larger struggle which comes at a time when Western capitalist traditions have long passed their apogee. The artificial construction of the so-called clash of civilizations by some in the academic community was merely to serve Western domination of the Muslim world, more precisely โ€“ what they now call the Middle East and those Muslims living there.ย  We will argue that since the collapse of the USSR, Western countries have sought to surreptitiously set up the world of Islam as the global boogeyman, a counterpoint – for capitalism can only exist when it has an enemy. This scenario was to provide a contrast, while at the same time demonize Islam and Muslims while presenting a dying Western liberal capitalism as the ONLY choice for the peoples of the world. The leaders in the West are well aware that Islam has the potential for presenting the nearest and possibly the most viable alternative, in all the cultural spheres, and this is unhelpful to them at a time when the fear of losing global hegemony constantly dominates their geo-political or geo-strategic calculations.

On the one hand, we have had Western military adventures into the Islamic Ummah for more than a century in the modern epoch. Of course, readers of this subject will readily recall the unholy Christian crusades of earlier centuries into the Islamic world.ย  Western countries, especially the British, the French and the Americans had established compliant oil monarchies and the usurper regime in most of Palestine by 1948. The Zionists still occupied an island previously owned by the Saudis. How can the custodian of Islamโ€™s most sacred places effectively defend Muslims when it has surrendered part of its territory to the โ€˜infidelsโ€™? How can Beitol-Moghaddas ever be recovered with traitors to the Prophet of Islam in power in Arabia? There has not been a word from one single Arab leader. That is way we, the non-believers, must defend the Prophet (PBUH). However, the nation of Islam is awaking and the world is unlikely to be the same. The enemies of the Prophet have done all this, in search of โ€˜profitโ€™ while containing the universality of the teachings of the Holy Prophet of Islam (PBUH). These teachings are largely antithetical to capitalism. The peoples of Muslim majority countries yet hold onto their core beliefs. These beliefs are largely โ€˜unfamiliarโ€™ to most in the West, especially those calling themselves Christians. This ignorance suborns the desired responses from too many of us. The ignorant hurl comments about โ€˜terrorismโ€™ and โ€˜wife beatingsโ€™ when, in fact, the real moral corruption of the world comes from the Western countries. In the final analysis what we are witnessing are the limitations of military might and an inability of the custodians of Islamโ€™s Holiest places to further deceive the masses of the people in their support for global hegemony as the price for maintaining their corrupt regimes at home.

Most people in Western societies are largely unaware that in Islam – Jesus, Mohammad and Abraham (PBUT) are all seen as Prophets. Therefore, there will never be a circumstance where Muslims would retaliate for the ignorance of Westerners by say, abusing Jesus in the way the Prophet Mohammad or even Jesus (PBUT) are often denigrated by us in the West. We often abuse Jesus (PBUH) as we swear. This type of thing is generally unacceptable in the Islamic world. In fact, Arabic and Farsi do not even consider this eventuality. Yes, Islam sees Jesus Christ (PBUH) as a Prophet, not as the son of God, as Christian do. This represents one of the main differences between all three major Abrahamic faiths. Jews that Christians pretend to love so much, up to this day, do not recognize Jesus at all. They still await their Messiah, so a carpenterโ€™s son could not qualify. Most Christians have never even gone to the place where they believe their saviour was born, grew up and lived and there is no requirement to do this. If they did, they are likely to have a Damascus road conversion. But the Christians, especially the rabid dispensationalists, are prepared to create circumstances where millions of people will die in order for their criminal end time โ€˜prophecyโ€™ to come true.ย  Moreover, it was the Jews who acted again the Jesus of the Christian Bible. Not to consider any man as the son of God, to an outside observer, seems like a more rationally hermeneutical construction. It is this rationalism that threatens Westerners as more of their populations are converting to Islam every day. Some Islamophobes, in jest, even want to change the name of a major Western capital to Londonistan. Other differences between Islam and Christianity are having resonance in Western Societies. For example, Islam has a different attitude toward family life, marriage and polygamy. There is no man in Barbados that I know who has only one woman. Maybe Islam could show us how we might bring our โ€˜illegitimateโ€™ domestic activities within a more structured model.

Islam has an alternative narrative on issues of war and peace. It does, like Judaism, but unlike Christianity proselytize, and much more. The Islamic financial architecture is incapable of giving birth to the level of devastation now consuming Western economies. In the absence of interest โ€“ charging of money for money, which Islam considers as haram. If Islamic finance were applied to Western economies there would not be in the current deplorable shape that presently is the case. And they CANNOT be fixed without a radical, out of the box solution from another world, the Islamic world. Another structural Western economic problem that Islam has something to say about is the dispersion of cost and the consolidation of benefits to selected individual and corporation. The racist people in charge know these possible answers from Islam well so Islam is deemed as a threat to Europeans and their progeny.ย  These are other reasons to blaspheme the Prophet of Islam (PBUH) and suppressed possible and real non-Western democratic solutions as given by the Islamic traditions.

We are unable to make the judgment that Islam or its Prophet is/was perfect. Within Islam, the Wahhabi sect of Saudi Arabia continues to destroy historic shrines under the pretext that ancient monuments could encourage idolatry; it supports Western inspired terrorism in Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan and elsewhere. It was in the name of Islam that Arabs invaded North African countries and instituted their religion at the tip of a sword and displaced Animism and other authentic and indigenous religions that evolved from the beginning of time. Internal and external forces strive to maintain a near artificial difference between Shia, Sunni, Sufi and other sects. Arabs are known for spitting upon Black people. Even within the royal family of al-Saud, Prince Bandar (Bush) was never to be seen as a likely successor to his brother, the king, primarily because his mother was a black African woman. It was Ayatollah Khomeini who reminded us that in Islam only Allah, not Mohammad, is King. Still, we have the preponderance of Western established petrol monarchies in the Islamic world aimed at servicing Western interests, not those of the Mohammedans.

On the other hand, we have France, the Netherlands and other European countries banning academicians and others who question the efficacy of the established holocaust narrative that is said to have happened in Europe, particularly Germany during World War Two. Merely questioning the โ€˜holocaustโ€™ can land one in jail in several European countries but the real Holocaust of 100 million African is removed from our collective memory – a Holocaust that was a Jewish project from the beginning to the end and as started by Christopher Columbus, the Italian Jew. Why donโ€™t the Bajans ask why we have the second oldest Synagogue in the Western world? What about the involvement of the Arabs in this global enterprise? Would the Prophet (PBUH) have countenance this massive crime? We humbly submit not.

Followers of Mohammad (PBUH) in some European countries are prevented from wearing hijab and niqab. Even in some Muslim majority countries, like Turkey, the fundamental human rights of Muslims to dress in non-Western ways are outlawed. In Turkey it is against the law for female student to wear Islamic dress. There was a false flag operation targeting New York a number of Septembers ago. They said then that fifteen of the nineteen so-called hijackers were Muslims from Saudi Arabia working with al-Qaeda. Ok, if these were Muslims from Saudi why did they not invade Saudia Arabia? How come Western governments are working with the same al-Qaeda โ€˜terroristsโ€™ to overthrow the Government of Syria right now? Tell us how come it is the same Saudi regime that is funding this anti-Syrian army? How is it that the criminal regime in Riyadh can find all these resources to kill thousands of Muslims throughout the Islamic world and would not lift a finger to address the biggest obstacle to the Islamic Ummah โ€“ the Zionist regime that occupies Palestine? Those of us who have gone to Azerbaijan have seen mass efforts to de-Islamize the country under a Western acolyte. Are these tyrants really followers of the Prophet (PBUH)? These behaviors are all un-Islamic.

Westerners like to talk about human rights and the right of freedom of expression. However, if one were to go in Central London or New York or even Saudi Arabia and publicly proclaim our love for the freedom fighters of Hezbollah under the charismatic leadership of His Eminence Hassan Nasrallah or hail the revolutionary leadership of Hamas for their respective victories over occupation and domination, we will be hauled off to prison for the โ€˜lack of free speechโ€™. More importantly, should be bring to a popular narration the two military victories over the Zionist usurpers by the Great Iranian Nation, Western apologists will call us supporters of a terrorist state and may even haul us off to Guantanamo Bay or Bhagram. But the beloved Prophet of the Muslim peoples (PBUH) can be denigrated and blasphemed while France and the USA insist that the โ€˜rightsโ€™ of white Westerners are sacred, not the beliefs of two billion Muslims. Does this not make the whole religious philosophical construction questionable, at least? Islam, as sincerely followed, commands the believer to defend the oppressed. It is this central commandment that Western leadership finds uncomfortable.

Nearly a week ago we surmised that the release of this โ€˜trailerโ€™ was a Zionist-AntiObama-Mormon-Republican plot hatched by elements within the intelligence communities of the USA and Israel. This conclusion was based on an environmental analysis as the issue was unfolding. That environment indicated that Netanyahu was trying to interfere in the US presidential election to force Obama to make concessions that would guarantee a war with Iran regardless to who is elected president. Romney had already given Netanyahu a commitment that he (Romney) will declare a war on Iran if he won the election. So Adelson and all the other Jewish billionaires were flooding the Romney campaign will billions of dollars. But Netanyahu could not be certain that Romney would win. He however knew that Romney will do anything to become president of the USA. But in order to be certain that a war was on the cards Netanyahu wanted an iron clad guarantee from both candidates. No better bet than to get both candidates to make concessions that would guarantee a war where Americans would be sent to die for Israel again. And a lot of them would die in a war with IRI. But Obama was balking, so Netanyahu came to the USA to focus his not inconsiderable political and economic might to force Obama to obey the will of his master (Netanyahu). Imagine, what is wrong with the world when an inconsequential dependant state has the temerity to threaten the leader of the global hegemon? The Zionists have always and will continue to believe that they can determine American foreign policy, issues of war and peace. All this based on the lie that Jews are the chosen people of some god somewhere. The blasphemy against the Prophet (PBUH) represents the work of this devil and its agents around the world to create the circumstances for another war in the Islamic Ummah. Nothing is sacred or sublime with these people!


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308 responses to “In the Defence of the Honourable Prophet Hazrat Mohammad (PBUH)”


  1. Listen to how Zoe tries to wrapped up creation to an invisible GOD one that only man could have produce .


  2. Let’s try agreeing with Zoe so he goes far away
    The world is going to end this year before Christmas
    and Zoe is going to go to heaven unlike you bu heathens and pagans and ignorant fools*

  3. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Zoe | October 1, 2012 at 8:27 AM |
    โ€œEVOLUTION: the FOSSILS STILL say NOโ€
    “The oldest stratum of the earth in which fossils of living creatures have been found is that of the Cambrian, which has an estimated age of 500-550 million years. ”

    But Zoe, how you arrived at the big numbers? 550 million years ago????

    We were of the view that your god created everything in the Universe in 6 days about 8000 ago.
    Are you a pathological intellectual liar or is you god that stupid as to fall asleep on the 7th day and never woke up for 4 billion years?

    Which is it? Is the Earth less than 10,000 years or is it nearly as old as the Sun, its Creator?


  4. Yeah bushie because time have been good to me i have ample time supported by youth engery and an abundance of exhuberancy which i do not take for granted knowing that at some point and time it can be gone so as i go through this journey called life i am most grateful that time would chronicle and record all that i have done hopefully most of what be recorded would be good and something others could learn from. BTW i gave you homewrk pay much attention i hate to fail YOU


  5. Zoe you and cut and paste all you like the basic foundation for life consistent of light heat and water and solid or liqid natter can be formed by all threevwhen put tigether the theory or concept of a divine creator is mans imagination relying on his intelligence to prove the unknown rather than accept the scientific findings given which proves the obvious and the question of who created god would always be ignore by creationist and one for which they have no answer making their theories flawed.


  6. @BAFBFP & Millertheannuitant

    We saw this documentary for the first time last night. We had to watch it twice and was up all night and spent all day today trying to unearth information about this theory. A theory that postulates that a branch of our distance ancestors evolved in water. This documentary present ‘evidence’, others say proof that mermaids are real and evolved from our apelike ancestors. Of course, this would of happened hundreds of millions of years after the apes themselves and us evolved from sea creatures. We are especially interested in having you, being the most intelligent people on this blog, watch this and give us an opinion.


  7. Should this work withstand scientific scrutiny it represents an astonishing finding and Zoe will be prepared to give us the necessary permission to eliminate Christianity forever for the fraud it is.

  8. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    It seems that Saudi Arabia has the most male homosexuals in the world. How else can one explain so much anti-woman attitudes in that society? Imagine IKEA just had to explain why its catalogues in Saudi Arabia were airbrushed to remove women and to be replaced with images of men. The catalogues are identical in every respect to those displayed in Europe and elsewhere except that the female advertisers have been replaced by men. Men in Saudi Arabia even seek ladies knickers. WTF kind of eunuch filled society is that?
    Not even Mohammed would tolerate such crap being meted out to his six or so daughters 1400 or so years ago.


  9. miller
    the basis in those parts of the world are
    men are perverts and woman are kept away from them as they are only interested in sex,

    which becomes a self fulfilling prophecy as that’s all they do when they get the chance


  10. @NNuki!

    โ€œThe oldest stratum of the earth in which fossils of living creatures have been found is that of the Cambrian, which has an estimated age of 500-550 million years. โ€

    “But Zoe, how you arrived at the big numbers? 550 million years ago????

    Don’t be stupid Nnuki/Ralian, Creation Scientests, usually quote these unrealistic, fictional absurd evolutionary numbers, that has no reference to sound scientific FACTS, as they are soundly WIPPING these Evo-Mat pseudo scientest! Understand Nnuki! Or don’t you!?


  11. @Pachmama, Keep grasping at straws man, in hopes of these Evo Mat fradulent scientest, mixing a few science facts with an UTTER MAZE of fictional LIES, to support DEAD END Darwiniaism!

    On Animal Planet, Aquatic Apes, a/k/a Mermaids
    Evolution News & Views May 30, 2012 11:27 AM | Permalink

    We watched a 90-minute documentary on Animal Planet last night (recorded from the day before) called Mermaids: The Body Found, about a team of scientists with forensic evidence of “mermaids” (aquatic apes that split from our line some 7 million years ago).

    The documentary interviews scientists, plays audio recordings of anomalous sounds from oceanographic scientists, shows suspicious videotape, some artifacts that look like tools, even evidence of a purported government cover-up. It also includes hearty portions of CGI animation of what the mermaids would look like, etc.

    In other words, a typical documentary from a Discovery Channel-affiliated network. After a few minutes, however, we realized that the entire thing must be fictional — that is, more fictional than the typical “this is just what they were like millions of years ago” stuff you see on TV documentaries. Yet at no point was there any disclaimer saying it was a fake documentary. In fact, the “scientists” interviewed were supposedly from real places like the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the University of Witwatersrand, South Africa. The Animal Planet website lists it straight-forwardedly on the schedule.

    Snopes lists the program as a hoax, but provides no link in which Animal Planet or an official website explains that it is fictional.

    The film website takes you to a page that says it has been seized by the Department of Homeland Security. Hey, wouldn’t that be illegal?

    In case this isn’t confusing enough already, the press release includes links that would lead you to believe these people think the Aquatic Ape theory deserves serious consideration. It sort of explains that it is a “stunt” and “science fiction” but also seems to say that the documentary is based on facts and responsible hypothesizing, or something like that.

    Well, all too often we see articles in biology journals that mix a few facts with a lot of wild evolutionary speculation. You get the feeling that the makers of Mermaids: The Body Found see themselves as doing something akin to what the authors of such articles are doing. After all, the Aquatic Ape theory was first proposed in New Scientist in 1960! At least the Animal Planet folks recognize (some of) the frankly fictional aspects of their story.

    In any event, we’re left with the vague feeling that “scientific” culture has crossed a threshold here, in which the distinction between fact and fiction, one might say between sanity and insanity, so long violated in science documentaries involving origins, is now being intentionally blurred.


  12. Pacha

    Thnx for the comp, I blush (if only I knew how to ..ha ha ha) but you really have to look elsewhere to find the truly bright ones. If there was no spell check on this site you would quickly be on to me … HA HA HA.

    This mermaid thing is all interesting and stuff but I see it as nothing more than entertainment, as I believe the producers may have intended. Good graphics though … Nice try .. HA HA HA


  13. These responses are more political than scientific. They unfairly characterize the work of these scientists without providing a sustainable counter-narrative. On the the one hand our friend BAFBFP punted to avoid the expected criticism from the mind-guard Zoe. And Zoe presented an unscientific and canned response. Neither one of you exhibited the courage to deal with the hard facts as presented or separate evidence from theory. As scientist we are schooled to be skeptical but not hypocritical. We consider that there is enough physical evidence, eye witness testimony, corroborating evidence, other historical evidence that suggest these finding could be confirmed by additional investigations. Hail the Majesty of science!

    Zoe, it is only the religious who grasp at straws. As scientists we don’t need to. We have well established procedures by with we determine what is true and what is false. What you think of as truth is merely based on belief. And you have no third party or scientific means by which you can determine truth or by which an independent arbiter can verify your findings. And that stupid book is totally irrelevant. Now, who is grasping at straws? Every day science finds new specie. Why it is impossible that these scientists are right? If scientists were not ready to consider other possibilities you would still be preaching that the earth was flat and was the centre of the universe. On these matters you people have no credibility at all. How many times do the god idiots have to be wrong before we start burning them and their book? And we can never be guided by you and your dirty religious beliefs. In fact, we would prefer to take the opposite view as a matter of course. You idiots were wrong then and will be wrong in the future about the return of jesus and the end times. Only God (Science) can save us.


  14. A Level Chemistry Homework
    Why Scientists are very Wicked people
    They discovered the Atom and gave us the Atomic Bomb


  15. Pacha fault me if I am wrong but does this script not appear in the movie somewhere at the end

    “though certain events in this film are fictional navy sonar tests have been directly implicated in whale beachings โ€œThe Bloopโ€ is a real phenomenon
    there is still debate about what it may be none of the institutions or agencies that appear in the film are affiliated or associated with it in any way, nor have they approved its contents any similarities in the film to actual persons
    living or dead is entirely coincidental”

    I just did a google on Dr Rodney Webster University of South Florida
    and there was nothing. I am pretty sure the same would be the case for Dr. Rebecca Davis, Dr. Paul Robertson and so on …

    As for me, I dispute nothing, I just need something to go on and this flick is NOT it …


  16. @ BAFBFP
    I don’t know how much you know about academia. However, if NOAA hires scientists in the first place they must a PhD. Secondly, they work, while working at NOAA is the property of that US government institution. Do you have access to academic journals or peer review articles? We were working with Greenpeace, as an activist, around the time these beached whales were turning up but was not aware of this other story.

    That parts of the documentary or docudrama were reconstructed, what would you expect? The writer had to construct a frame in order to tease out their hypothesis. Nothing happens in isolation. How else are we to recall an historical event? When you go to court and retell an incident, are you not reconstructing the story, at that point in time too? How else would the documentarians tell they story? Do you expect these creatures, to the extent they exist, to play a staring role – to cooperate with the producers? Do you expect the documentarians to telleport back to 7 millions years and find the homonym they suspect to be the direct ancestor and ask them to star in the documentary? How could a man like you not see the hidden and pernicious hand of the US military in this? Is it not plausible that the wicked US military has some kind of sonic weapon to use in the conduct of naval war, given their history? And why would this be implausible? Have you not heard about weapons that the US military uses, or intends to use, to shut down and destroy all electronic communication before invasion and that have a potential to send a country back to the stone age? When they do a play about Barrow do you insist that he comes back from the dead to play his part?

    What are the facts? During the period under consideration dolphins and whales were beaching all over the world. Since then we have not heard any more about anymore beaching of this kind. Third party evidence was etc. etc. Tired don’t want to go on anymore ///////////////

  17. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Pachamama | October 2, 2012 at 11:07 AM |

    I am following you closely in your rebuttal to Zoe and BAF.

    I believe that life first started in the seas that make up almost 70% of this watery planet.
    I am always intrigued about the ability of a baby to survive in a balloon of water in its motherโ€™s womb in whichever mammalian specie (except perhaps the platypus).
    I believe that there are life forms in the oceans that man has not yet seen or researched. Whatever is on land I believe can be found in the seas or in the oceans.

    I am also of the view that both the whale and dolphin have some spiritual affinity to humans and other humanoids and similar connections to the โ€˜Sourceโ€™. Dolphins and whales are so telepathically attuned that they would be the first to pick up signals from outer space. The sonar โ€œbombsโ€ developed by the Navy would intercept and interrupt the natural sonar systems of these sophisticated life forms and have the same deafening effect leading to brain damage and implosion of inner organs vital to life as if a nuclear bomb is dropped near a village in some African country or tropical island. It would be interesting if similar effects have been replicated with birds and bats and to see the fall out on the electronic navigational systems of aircraft and satellite systems.

    Man must learn that we are all connected to one Spirit Source and if one is destroyed or severely damaged the whole link is weakened until mended by Nature. The great barrier reef off Australia is telling us that something big is happening to threaten our existence and we better take notice if the human specie is going to make it in the long run in our present humanoid form. Maybe a visit from the Borg might just be in time to save our technologically sorry souls from self destruction (LOL!!!).


  18. Pacha

    The beachings are indisputable. The Sonic Weapon is plausable and the US’s tradition of secrecy as to how it spends the trillions of dollars in defense research deserves every accusation of wrong doing and suspicion that it attracts. The “Bloop” phenomena is documented so there is no disagreement between us. But the flick is a docudrama with fictitious characters to advance the idea of this sea dwelling ape possibility. I believe fossil records, I am even sweet on cave drawings, but if you will reason with me for a moment, these sea dwelling apes, with their advanced intelligence and reverse thumbs should have had a far better chance at surviving than their dolphin pets and there really is NO evidence that they have. Man where ever he is located tries to establish himself as the master in the his environment, the king of the jungle. These sea-apes should surely have been on the road to doing the same thing … but where is the evidence …? Scientific conjecture is fine, interesting hell yes, but that is all that it is …


  19. @pachamama

    Last year a festering half of a sea creature washed up on a beach in Barbados. Marine biologists could not identify it. I think it may have been the bottom half of your creature in the documentary. Lets us say the top half was eaten by a great white! I dont recall if it has a fluke like what is shown in the story.

    Check the Nation newspaper. That is where I read the story, and they carried a picture.


  20. BAFBFP
    Well. right half way and wrong half way. Don’t get too locked into fossil records, in this case, the researcher are presenting the actual dead body of a prehistoric mammal alive today, as evidence. They are arguing that the US government has others. They are postulating that there is an actual video of a live mermaid man as taken by a teenage boy, who has no axe to grind. This same boy has drawn a picture of the mammal. The researchers also reconstructed the shape of the mermaid from a mangled body. You talk about cave drawings. How do you account for the mermaid as emerging in several cultures that had no connection with each other? The folk tradition is a valuable source of evidence for professional researchers.

    It is a mischaracterization to consider the mermaid mammals as apes any longer. That is the nature of evolution. Just like we are no longer considered apes. Ape generally can’t live underwater. These are sea mammals. You want to ignore what evidence was presented. But remember, evidence is not proof. Proof can only be when other scientists have conducted other studies to reject, fail to reject or accept the findings of these experts. But to reject the evidence as presented from researchers from the leading ocean and atmospheric agency in the world is ill-advised. We think these finding are very interesting and look forward to other peer reviewed work on this issue. Should these researchers be proven right a lot of the science books will have to be rewritten. This will not be the first time. Please remember that sometimes you don’t get the full answer initially. Other researchers may have to build on this work. Our intellectual father, when he propose the theory of evolution was not embraced in the beginning. But now everything around us is built on his work.


  21. @Pat
    Thanks Pat. We are digging an intellectual grave for our buddy BAF. LOL


  22. @millertheannuitant

    There is no distance between us.


  23. @ BAFBFP

    By the way we think that the universes are to big for there not be life elsewhere. In the absence of proof/evidence that will be our bet.


  24. Summary of Scientific Evidence for Creation (Part I & II)
    by Duane Gish, Ph.D.

    This impact pamphlet was written by a scientist, and a science educator, and reviewed by an attorney, to provide a brief summary of the scientific evidence supporting creation. The text materials and references listed at the end together give a more thorough discussion of this scientific evidence.

    Introduction

    Public schools in many localities are teaching two scientific models – the creation model and the evolution model of the origin of the universe, of life, and of man. There is apparent scientific evidence for creation, which is summarized in this pamphlet, just as there is apparent scientific evidence for evolution. The purpose of this pamphlet is to summarize the evidence that shows that:

    “The creation model is at least as scientific as the evolution model, and is at least as nonreligious as the evolution model.”

    This scientific evidence for both models can be taught in public schools without any mention of religious doctrine, whether the Bible or the Humanist Manifesto. There are text materials and teacher handbooks that have been prepared for a fair presentation of both models, creation and evolution. There are also seminars and audiovisuals for training teachers to offer both models of origins.

    “This scientific evidence both for creation and for evolution can and must be taught without any religious doctrine, whether the Bible or the Humanist Manifesto.”

    “Creation-science proponents want public schools to teach all the scientific data, censoring none, but do not want any religious doctrine to be brought into science classrooms.”

    Definitions of the Creation Model and the Evolution Model

    The scientific model of creation, in summary, includes the scientific evidence for a sudden creation of complex and diversified kinds of life, with systematic gaps persisting between different kinds and with genetic variation occurring within each kind since that time. The scientific model of evolution, in summary, includes the scientific evidence for a gradual emergence of present life kinds over aeons of time, with emergence of complex and diversified kinds of life from simpler kinds and ultimately from nonliving matter. The creation model questions vertical evolution, which is the emergence of complex from simple and change between kinds, but it does not challenge what is often called horizontal evolution or microevolution, which creationists call genetic variation or species or subspecies formation within created kinds. The following chart lists seven aspects of the scientific model of creation and of the scientific model of evolution:

    The creation model includes the scientific evidence and the related inferences suggesting that: The evolution model includes the scientific evidence and the related inferences suggesting that:

    I. The universe and the Solar system were suddenly created. I. The universe and the solar system emerged by naturalistic processes.
    II. Life was suddenly created. II. Life emerged from nonlife by naturalistic processes.

    III. All present living kinds of animals and plants have remained fixed since creation, other than extinctions, and genetic variation in originally created kinds has only occurred within narrow limits. III. All present kinds emerged from simpler earlier kinds, so that single-celled organisms evolved into invertebrates, then vertebrates, then amphibians, then reptiles, then mammals, then primates, including man.
    IV. Mutation and natural selection are insufficient to have brought about any emergence of present living kinds from a simple primordial organism. IV. Mutation and natural selection have brought about the emergence of present complex kinds from a simple primordial organism.

    V. Man and apes have a separate ancestry. V. Man and apes emerged from a common ancestor.

    VI. The earth’s geologic features appear to have been fashioned largely by rapid, catastrophic processes that affected the earth on a global and regional scale (catastrophism). VI. The earth’s geologic features were fashioned largely by slow, gradual processes, with infrequent catastrophic events restricted to a local scale (uniformitarianism).

    VII. The inception of the earth and of living kinds may have been relatively recent. VII. The inception of the earth and then of life must have occurred several billion years ago.


  25. @ Zoe
    What crap. You are a slavish follower of the bankrupted, racist, north American ignorance of your evangelical leaders who push this bullshit in American schools. These are the people, we know them well, who believe black people should still be enslaved. Those anti-intellectual rabidly racist Americans whose names we called before believe that a black man should not be president. That a jack ass like you could be following these people in an enlightenment age suggest that you have a slavish mentality and really love your white slave masters. For this alone neither you nor your god will ever get our respect


  26. Pacha

    No grave sorry … if the choice was mine and intellectual furnace would be much appreciated … My friend, with respect, the producers admitted that much of the content in the video was fictitious and that “any similarities in the film to actual persons living or dead is entirely coincidentalโ€. This allows me to dismiss it as a source of information for a meaningful discussion on anything other than what is possible/plausible …! And that I am very prepared to do.

    Look, if these mammals are thriving there would have been discovered years ago. The film said that two new species of whales were discovered in the last ten years, highly unlikely but I did NOT spend the time to verify, I really do not think that much of the video … Sorry Pacha.

    As to whether there is life else where in a virtually infinitely large universe, mathematically the answer is a definitive yes. As to the possibility of two types of life forms contacting each other across the universe, the answer would have to be NO barring the existence of some temporal/spacial phenomenon that we are yet to discover.

    As to the existence of a BBE (1) that sees me as important to its plan (2) is simply a matter of faith that I DO NOT POSSESS …!


  27. @ Pachamama
    If you are so sold on this mermaid tale you must be downright stricken with the Area 51 saga…..

    @ BAFBFP
    One thing about you is your willingness to doubt (and if necessary cuss) any and every fella…friend and foe …. LOL


  28. @ Bush Tea

    Your remark is unclear to us. Areas 51 was secret military development base from the Cold War days. Today it it common knowledge that all types of modern and sophisticated aircraft were developed and are still being developed there. That the CIA would use a UFO fiction as a cover story is also know. What was your point? We deal only with peer reviewed evidence and try to give it a relative weight. Belief we leave for others.


  29. Bush Tea

    Yah Jack Ass … You doubt dah …? HA HA HA … ๐Ÿ™‚


  30. @ Pachamama
    Our world is such a large, mysterious, intriguing, and wonderful place that Bushie would be completely unsurprised if mermaids actually exist(ed); if little green space aliens operate flying saucers; and if the Bermuda Triangle is actualy a gateway to another dimension.

    At the same time our “academic giants” are so unscrupulous, dishonest and fake- that peer review means very little to the bushman.

    If therefore, even a dozen intact skeletons of mermaids were discovered right next to ten green alien bodies near the Bermuda triangle, this bushman would see no relevance to the question of the origin of life.

    Hell, Bushie subscribes to the theory that our universe may merely be an atom in a much grander scheme of things at another level altogether.

    The bottom line is that nothing with which we are familiar – even remotely suggests that it is possible for such complex, ordered, delicately balanced, interdependent systems (as is our world) to evolve randomly and without intelligent guidance and direction.

    Hell, if someone were to suggest that the boardwalk could have evolved through natural processes we would take them straight to the Mental….

    Complex design REQUIRES advanced engineering, and design at the level of our world DEMANDS and REQUIRES that there be BIG BOSS ENGINEERS (BBE)


  31. …that don’ give one shite ’bout you Bushman … So all of this faith thing might merely be a manifestation of your BIG ego … but we all need to cope so I will not begrudge you your moment in time …


  32. BAFBFP
    ….man Tek it easy nuh! Down taws nuh brush…!

    How you get to the point of whether BBE “give a Shoite ‘ bout the Bushman” or not…? We Just get pass the point where we are agreed that the FACT of complex, intelligent, high level design and construction leads us to deduce that there MUST OF NECESSITY be high level engineering somewhere in the background.

    The next moot must be something like… “This level of engineering MUST be of a much higher level than our best human engineers, therefore we can take for granted that BBE must be AT LEAST as intelligent as MME and GP.”
    …..can we take that as a given?

    If yes, then we can expect that there is sound LOGIC to all that has been done, as well as a logical and sane REASON behind the whole exercise…..WHICH MUST MAKE LOGICAL SENSE.

    …..are you with Bushie BAFBFP or are you off on one of your FOREX tangents again…?


  33. Pachamama | October 2, 2012 at 1:53 PM | @ Zoe

    “What crap. You are a slavish follower of the bankrupted, racist, north American ignorance of your evangelical leaders who push this bullshit in American schools. These are the people, we know them well, who believe black people should still be enslaved. Those anti-intellectual rabidly racist Americans whose names we called before believe that a black man should not be president. That a jack ass like you could be following these people in an enlightenment age suggest that you have a slavish mentality and really love your white slave masters. For this alone neither you nor your god will ever get our respect”

    Mama-Mama, What a sorry, rampant, rabid, RANCID MESS you are, demonstrated IN your above! What the fish-cakes has any of the bovine excrement spued forth by your ENDARKENED intellect to do with the subject matter at hand?

    Pachmama et al of his diatribal ilk, who seek with vengeance to write Almighty God out of the universe He* Created* and sustains*; then propogate their TRUE agenda, as evolutionary athiests do, WHICH IS* in fact, a PHILOSOPHICAL IDEOLOGY, (NOT science AT ALL!) of rampant, ATHEISM, couched, veneered, and convoluted in a MAZE of pseudo-scientific JARGON, which then contiues to deceive many, who simply have NOTtaken the time to examine the true FACTS, the preponderance of which, oberwhelmingly support and CONFIRM the creationist model, as outlined in His Word, the Bible in Genesis 1 and 2.


  34. As Professor Marvin L. Lubenow, who has researched the fossil issue for 25 years and frequently speaks and writes to defend the Creationist position, states: ” The myth in the mind of the public is that the human fossil material is readily available and is thoroughly studied by all who teach and write on the subject. The truth is that paleonanthropology is in the awkward position of being a science that IS* at least one step removed from the very material upon which it claims to base it findings.” (BONES OF CONTENTION. a Creationist Assessment of Human Fossils, p. 17, Emphasis added).

    Again, Prof Lubenow writes: “Speaking at an annual convention of the American Association for the Advancement of science (AAAS) in San Francisco, astronomer Carl Sagan ( Cornell university) explained how science works.

    “The most fundamental axioms and conclusions may be challenged” and the prevailing hypothesis “must survive confrontation with observation.” “Appeals to Authority” he said, “are impermissible”, and “experiments must be reproducible.” This, of course, is the concept of science which the general public has.”

    Lebenow, then correctly asserts: “Sagan’s comments give us an insight into how he, and evolutionists like him work. He gives LIP service to the accepted methodology of science. However, when presenting his views on the evolution of everything, he gives the public a FREEWHEELING FANTASY in which one CANNOT seperate science from acience FICTION*, the result is that all of it is accepted as science…Hence, the public is often fed a diet of PHILOSOPHY under the guise of science.”

    The fact of the matter IS*, that The Fossile Record, from Microorganisms
    to Fish, from Fish to Reptiles, The Origin of Mammals, and The Origin of Man, are ALL DESTITUTE, DEVOID of any true factual support for this VILE, dispicable, and contemptible theory of evolution.

    The blatant LIE of evolution IS* hogwash, and when the window dressing and baloney is stripped AWAY, every man-jack will know that evolutionary/athiestic materialism masquerades under the guise of science, counterfeit, bogus science.


  35. Bush

    I am concerned with only one thing and that is that my life will be too short … too short to do half of the things that I would luv to accomplish and too short to try and wrap my brain around issues that are far too complex even for the greatest minds in existence. If you deduced truths that have allowed you to arrive at a place that you are comfortable with, man I am happy for you. But this quest of answering the “What is it” followed by the “Why” is so beyond me that I simply have no interest in it at all at all at all ….!

    Life too damned short and you can’ tek all dah knowledge with you to the grave …


  36. @David, I have taken due note of the specific words choosen by Pachamama, as quoted below, in the concluding sentence, “How many times do the god-idiots have to be wrong before WE START BURNING* THEM* AND THEIR BOOK?” Emphasis added.

    This IS* a clear INTENT to VIOLENCE and implied DEATH, to Christians, who exercise their RIGHT to express their convictions. David, does this not bring to mind, exactly, what Hopi also expressly stated, on BU a while back. And who repeadtly, challenged YOU, to deal with such INTENT TO VIOLENCE against Christians and the Church buildings, as being deadly wrong for BU NOT to censor such venomous hatred?! Do you remember David? it IS now happening again!

    Pachamama, I politely and respecfully, request a RETRACTION from you for such implied violent intent against me, and other Christians, failing which I will consult legal advice, and the appropriate authorities will be notified accordingly.

    Pachamama Oct 2, 2012 @ 7:05AM

    “Zoe, it is only the religious who grasp at straws. As scientists we donโ€™t need to. We have well established procedures by with we determine what is true and what is false. What you think of as truth is merely based on belief. And you have no third party or scientific means by which you can determine truth or by which an independent arbiter can verify your findings. And that stupid book is totally irrelevant. Now, who is grasping at straws? Every day science finds new specie. Why it is impossible that these scientists are right? If scientists were not ready to consider other possibilities you would still be preaching that the earth was flat and was the centre of the universe. On these matters you people have no credibility at all. How many times do the god idiots have to be wrong before WE START BURNING THEM AND THEIR BOOK?” Emphasis added.


  37. Life too damned short and you canโ€™ tek all dah knowledge with you to the grave โ€ฆ
    ac @BAF

    oh yes we do. only if man had the keys to unearthing all the valuable knoweldge the dead took with them to the grave.


  38. “…..this quest of answering the โ€œWhat is itโ€ followed by the โ€œWhyโ€ is so beyond me that I simply have no interest in it at all at all at all โ€ฆ.!”
    ***************

    Sorry that you choose to see it that way BAFBFP.
    Surely you can see that it is ONLY by answering precisely those questions that you can even determine what are those “important things” that you should spend your SHORT life doing.

    Bushie can also assure you that this has absolutely NOTHING to do with having a brilliant mind. Indeed, the ability to understand may be inversely proportional to the “brilliance of one’s mind”.
    LOL ….else Bushie would be in the dark….

    However if you think that it makes more sense to spend you short time in this life experience accumulating FOREX,- be Bushie’s guest.


  39. @Zoe

    You are correct that Pacha’s could have better expressed himself. His reference is general and in the context although distasteful he has the right to express himself.


  40. zoe who are being overly sensitive by pacha remarks and have construed the comments to be an attack on you instead of concentrating on the context and the time and era which he /she was refering to


  41. Zoe

    Yah idiot …”legal advice, and the appropriate authorities will be notified accordingly” fa wah, … a handle …? Yah pussy wake up man. In case yah sober I want you to know that I giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming that you are not. HA HA HA … LEGAL ADVICE …. MURDA … LARD COME FAH WORL’ DO … HA HA HA


  42. Bush

    I think ac is in the mood for some counseling …


  43. @ BAFBFP
    Not Bushie and ac bozie, she married to a sue – machine. Those fellows can sue the very shirt off yuh back.

    @ Zoe who said to Pachamama
    “Mama-Mama, What a sorry, rampant, rabid, RANCID MESS you are, demonstrated IN your above! What the fish-cakes has any of the bovine excrement spued forth by your ENDARKENED intellect to do with the subject matter at hand?”
    *****************

    You could really hush up. Few persons on this blog are more abusive than you… You have condemned more BU family to a paternal relationship with the devil than Pachamama could burn.

    LOL the only way you could make any progress with such legal action would be in our courts – before the lady Judge who featured in tales from the court IV.
    Ha Ha ha….Case Number 34621 Zoe versus Pachamama and BAFBFP first defendants with BU David as second defendant and Millertheanunnaki as an accessory after the fact.


  44. @David.

    “You are correct that Pachaโ€™s could have better expressed himself. His reference is general and in the context although distasteful he has the right to express himself.”

    David, You apparently, don’t understand the distinction, difference between, “…the right to express himself.” Free speech, which is NOT* license to threaten with voilent intent, to cause harm, even death!

    That is an entirely different matter; which you just do not seem to understand. It is simply not civil, and is not tolerated in the wider context of journalism, and by extension responsible Blogs.

    You are, therefore, an enabler, a facilatator of violent HATE speech, and the blatant expression thereof!


  45. Quoting God’s Word re Damnation of those who reject His Mercy, Love, Grace and forgiveness; it IS* His Word, that damns them NOT me.

    To equate this with the threat of burning Christians, and God’s Word, is foolishness, and folly, but, then again, what else can be expected from an ‘Obeah’ man!


  46. @ Zoe
    Even in your above you cannot avoid being nasty ๐Ÿ™‚
    Name another book that speaks more of burning people than the bible….
    If you can quote it to be nasty to unbelievers, why should Pachamama not quote it about burning Christians?
    ….get a life Zoe.


  47. @ Zoe

    BAFBFP was right about you. If we are willing to challenge your god and the lie he is, do you think we are afraid of you, the police or anybody in Barbados or elsewhere? Or afraid to die! I feel sorry for you. Do you think that people like us who are bold enough to take on the devils who control you could be made to fear minions or apologize for any opinion however distasteful. We wish you well with that.


  48. @Zoe

    On reading other posting we think that it is fit and proper to say that again. Because of the the wickedness christians have wrought on the earth CHRISTIANS AND ALL THEY BOOKS SHOULD BE BURNT


  49. Nature has provided us with the “sweet fruits” of life they are healthy and good for the soul i suggest everyone grab a few names comes to mind Patience. Understanding. Kindness. ZOE and those in the waring spirit go grab a few good for the soul.


  50. To ALL of the BU ‘Bildge Pumpers’ who are Satanically, and Demonically controlled, and who do the bidding, for their ‘father’ the FATHER of ALL LIES, SATAN, who’s END will be in THE LAKE OF FIRE, along with his* minions and parasites, I FEAR NONE OF YOU, individually, or collectively, NONE OF YOU, being there DONE THAT, and have ALWAYS being victorious IN JESUS Omnipotent NAME; as Almighty God, and ONE man is a MAJORITY!

    Come on Pachamama, and ALL other God-HATERS, come on, and face the challenge of intellectual scientific honesty, of which you ALL are strangers, and get back to the subject matter at hand,
    Evolution vs Creation.

    Come on Pachamama, I challenge you to give scientific, empirical EVIDENCE, NOT pseudo-jargonized FALSITY, lies, in support of evolution, bring it on man, bring it on, from Microorganism, through to Man, to refute the FACTS and evidence of of Creation?

    Bring it on Mama-Mama, bring it on!

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