What are the chances that two Russian athletes in different sports would be suspended on the same day for using the same “heart” drug. Sharapova lives in the US yet she said that the drug was prescribed by her family doctor and she was taking it for 10 years, why do presumably healthy athletes need to take a drug which is prescribed for heart congestion?
See ice dancer Yekaterina Bobrova
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-figure-skating-russia-doping-idUSKCN0W91XR
@ Sargeant,
The spin doctors are working overtime.
I will wait to hear an opinion from a qualified Medical Doctor…….preferably Dr.Georgie Porgie.
I hope there are no side effects from taking this drug for 10 years.
re why do presumably healthy athletes need to take a drug which is prescribed for heart congestion?
sensible question sarge!
Wasn’t the drug recently put on a list in January? Could it be an honest mistake?
The announcement of its banning was made last September. The issue as it is being explained to me, is the drug made in Latvia is called Mildronate, but Meldonium in the English speaking world. Hence the confusion for athletes taking Mildronate.
http://www.grindeks.lv/en/products/prescription-medicine/
The explanation being a host of foreign athletes didn’t draw the asscoiation between the drug they were taking Mildronate, and the drug on the banned list Meldonium.
@David
WADA is always playing catch up so they caught up to this in the last year, the drug is prescribed for heart ailments yet primarily Russian athletes were taking it because it helps with endurance. Sharapova has lived in the US for several years and the FDA has not approved its use in the US, how does one live in the US and have a “family doctor” prescribing drugs in another country.
Sharapova has her defenders and they will say it’s a minor mistake, these same people have been howling for Serena’s blood for a long time saying she is taking steroids etc. Sharapova is the Corporate darling and the highest paid female athlete in the world when endorsements are counted.
Somewhere Serena must be having a laugh.
@Northern Observer
The explanation being a host of foreign athletes didn’t draw the asscoiation between the drug they were taking Mildronate, and the drug on the banned list Meldonium
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Are you in the market for Real Estate? I have some prime beach front property to sell in Florida
@NorthernObserver
Hope you are aware that the sarcasm of the Sargeant knows no bounds 🙂
The question Sargeant needs to ask himself, is why is highest paid female athlete going to knowingly get caught taking something which will end all that endorsement cash flow?
@Northern Observer
That’s just the point they don’t think they will be caught, after 10 years you start to get careless. I listened to a bit of the Press Conference and she said she was taking it for “flu” among other things, if you are taking a drug for “flu” for 10 years you have bigger problems.
But it wasn’t illegal/banned until Jan 1 2016. There was no fear of getting caught if something wasn’t banned?
Her explanation doesn’t match prior comments. She had fainting spells, and issues with her feet back in 2006. This drug I believe by itself or in combination is aimed at increasing blood flow. I agree the connection to “flu” is crazy.
And a whole host of athletes tested positive beyond the 2 already mentioned
“Apart from Sharapova, Russian professional bicyclist Eduard Vorganov and ice dancer Ekaterina Bobrova; Ukrainian biathletes Artem Tyshchenko and Olga Abramova; and Ethopian marathon runners Endeshaw Negesse along with two others all tested positive for the same drug.”
@ NorthernObserver
I agree with you that Meldonium “wasn’t illegal/banned until Jan 1 2016,” but there had to be an underlying reason why it was added to the list of banned substances. Since the drug was not on the list, the athletes you referred to probably believed the drug’s chemical component would not be “specifically targeted” during drug testing.
However, perhaps WADA found evidence which suggested athletes were using the drug with the intended purpose of enhancing their performances.
For example, WADA now uses new high resolution/high accuracy mass spectrometry multi-target screening assay. Supposed this method consistently detected Meldonium in urine samples? The administration would place the drug on its monitoring program.
It is interesting to note that the Russians researchers conducted a study using judokas to test the effects of Meldonium on sports performance.
@NorthernObserver at 12:34 AM ..your comment was an interesting one but @Artax’s remarks has put it properly into context because its always the underlying chemical component of any drug which all world class athletes MUST determine and not the drug name.
@Sargeant…you are being harsh to the lovely lass. As said above 10 years taking the thing and bang just in the last year and we want to brand the lady as a great ‘cheater’.
And don’t lets throw Serena into the mix…she steal the woman’s man some years back…back up…rumours to that extent were widely made. LOLLL.
But back to serious why the tone that its ‘wrong’ for athletes to try to gain very edge they can? If there is some local drug that helps with the heart and that extends to better endurance, breathing and so on why not pursue it if the chemical compound is not banned…why not.
Unless we are talking abut wholesale East Germany type specifically made ‘local drugs’ or a ‘Biogenesis’ deliberate attempt to defraud it should be all good.
And of course we have Mr Andre Russell with his backside skirting towards a ban…hope he has a ‘plausible’ Maria type explanation for his behaviour.
And then there is a very quiet one re the NFL QB, Peyton Manning re PEDs. I am very ambivalent in cases like his because at that stage of one’s career any ‘legal’ ability to heal quicker is desired…or even a tad illegal too…so the question becomes more of ‘was he taking them previously over the years to gain an advantage etc etc’. Just as the matter of his 20 year sexual harassment issue begs the question of whether he was really the nice squeaky clean fellow that the world thought him to be…
As you said @Sargeant it all comes back to the almighty advertising $$$!
It is amazing the sympathy this Russian US citizen is generating. Then she is the stereotypical female the Western media likes to have a love affair.
@DIW
And don’t lets throw Serena into the mix…she steal the woman’s man some years back…back up…rumours to that extent were widely made.
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I find that remark irrelevant even when made in a jocular manner, why bring someone’s personal life into the discussion, this is about the “lovely lass” (your words). I don’t know if you follow sports but Lance Armstrong should be exhibit 1 when people rush to the defense of these athletes. Remember the uplifting story about recovery from testicular cancer, the all American boy who cheated his way to those Tour De France wins by taking banned substances.
Athletes try to take any edge to win, there was the blood doping which wasn’t illegal until it was illegal, there was the “clear” which ensnared Marion Jones and as I said WADA is always playing catch up they didn’t know about the “clear” until someone turned a sample over to them which allowed them to test for its synthetics. Why are the authorities keeping samples of Olympic medal winners for 8 years? They are keeping them to test for performance enhancing substances which may not be on their radar at the time of competition. This makes any excuse that it was only banned in January moot, Sharapova was taking it to help her to perform at a high level and so were the mostly Russian athletes using it. This seems to be another instance of a whistle blower informing the relevant authorities about this drug whose primary use is for those with heart disease.
Lastly I have been following sports, politics you name if for most of my life and I can’t help but notice the opprobrium heaped on some people for any misstep and the “pass” that others get.
I leave you to decide who gets what
@ Sargeant
I agree with your comments 100%.
Meldonium was included in WADA’s monitoring program on January 1st, 2015, exactly one year prior to it being included in the list of banned substances.
All substances on the WADA monitoring program are evaluated to determine whether or not they have performance enhancing effects and, if deemed necessary, anti-doping tests for these substances are developed.
It must also be taken into consideration that, every year, WADA publishes and distributes an “International Standard Prohibited List,” which is obviously made available to all athletes. Perhaps Sharpova wants the world to believe she did not take the time to review the list.
Apparently, “WADA is always playing catch up” because the organization is under-funded, under staffed and has an inadequate network of intelligence that would enable them to react more quickly in identifying any new substances athletes are using or misusing.
And what complicate matters even more is the fact they update their list of banned substances once a year, every January 1st.
Another interesting development is that Sharapova has lost sponsorship deals with Nike, Tag Heuer and Porsche and has been provisionally suspended by the International Tennis Federation, effective March 12, 2016.
Indeed @Sargeant as you said at 8:39 AM.. it was totally irrelevant. But they have been compared and contrasted at the personal and public level repeatedly. Why did YOU say that Serena must be laughing when Serena had nothing to do with her and this case.!!!!You can’t have it both ways…I ‘jocularly’ picked up on YOUR reference. So moving on to the serious and substantive matters.
I can’t see how you can compare Lance Armstrong or Marion Jones to this matter. It was a know fact that the underlying chemical compound in Jones’ case (all part of the Biogenesis I highlighted) was ILLEGAL. As you said WADA simply did not know how to detect or really where to start looking. Armstrong was specifically acting in a manner he and his handlers KNEW was cheating.
Are you saying that Sharpova and her handlers for 10 years was acting with the knowledge that the compound that made up this drug was illegal? Are you also saying by citing the Olympic issue that the Tennis Fed. were complicit in a cover-up on this matter? Let’s wait for the evidence before we condemn all and sundry.
As @Northern posed. I also ask myself practical questions in these sort of matters …so why would a very accomplished ‘lovely lass’ with whom to rephrase @David the media and advertising world have a love affair jeopardize her $30 Million+ annual income by acting so carelessly to take a substance banned two months ago? She has been an ‘endorsee’ since she was a pre-teen!
And why would her team not be checking annually to see what new drug compounds were banned…why would they get caught so flat footed?
Certainly she and team could never be considered some withering innocents. but let’s wait for the evidence of the investigation to see if that also means they were deliberately trying to mislead.
And let’s keep Serena out of this…if you want to..LOLL. I suspect that will not be easy to the world social media however…like you many will make a connection. Afterall Maria makes almost twice as much as Serena in the advertising/endorsement world although Serena is a champion nearly 10 to 1 over her.
Serena herself said: “If they want to market someone who is white and blond, that’s their choice,” … I can’t sit here and say I should be higher on the list because I have won more… There is enough at the table for everyone.”
But there is always more when you are a lovely white lass, obviously.
@Dee Word
Surely you appreciate that Serena diplomatic speak referring to enough at the table is just that, diplomatic speak.
Agreed David, Diplomatic. But true of course. Advertising is about getting people to buy stuff and if most of those with the money at the high end (Tag Heuer and Porsche, to cite two Artax used) are white or wanna be white then the spokesperson will look or be easily identifiable in that class of person.
That is what Serena is saying so diplomatically.
Remember as much as Tiger took a hit with his endorsements he still kept on operating at a high level as the scandal moved on. I always found that strange but a deep dive shows that Tiger the Standford grad really always identified as ‘White’ moreso than Black. He was always that upper crust super achieving guy who spoke so eloquently with the retired military Dad etc etc.
I suspect that all across White America not ONE mother had a problem with their daughter marrying Tiger Woods or their son wanting to be like him. And obviously the White males didn’t have too great a problem with his actions either.
My point: There is nothing about a similarly super-achiever kid from the ghettos of Compton, LA that could provide that level of comfort to White America and surely not to the advertisers who seek their money.
So I completely agree with you. Serena is being very diplomatic in extolling the ‘racism’ that controls all aspects of life.
@DIW
Are you saying that Sharpova and her handlers for 10 years was acting with the knowledge that the compound that made up this drug was illegal?
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Given the number of Russians (more have been named today) who have now been banned or suspended because of this drug someone knew that this gave them a competitive advantage.
RE the drug made in Latvia is called Mildronate, but Meldonium in the English speaking world. Hence the confusion for athletes taking Mildronate.
THIS IS BULLSHIT!
ALL DRUGS HAVE A BRAND NAME AND A GENERIC OR CHEMICAL NAME
BOTH APPEAR IN THE LITERATURE ISSUED WITH THE DRUG AND ON THE PACKAGING
I REPEAT, SARGE ASKED why do presumably healthy athletes need to take a drug which is prescribed for heart congestion?
sensible question sarge!
you are talking the most sense here——sarcasm or no sarcasm
re sarge again who opined sensibly
the drug is prescribed for heart ailments yet primarily Russian athletes were taking it because it helps with endurance. Sharapova has lived in the US for several years and the FDA has not approved its use in the US, how does one live in the US and have a “family doctor” prescribing drugs in another country.
THE RUSSIANS ARE OBVIOUSLY CHEATING
Sharapova has her defenders and they will say it’s a minor mistake, these same people have been howling for Serena’s blood for a long time saying she is taking steroids etc.
SERENA IS NOT TAKING EXOGENOUS STEROIDS IN MY OPINION
WHAT IS LIKELY IS THAT HER MUSCULARITY IF NOT DUE TO INTENSE EXERCISE IS DUE TO CONVERSION OF PROGESTERONE TO TESTESTERONE. THIS IS WELL UNDERSTOOD BIOCHEMISTRY. AS WAS ALSO SEEN IN THE SOUTH AFRICAN 800M RUNNER
LOOK NOW FOR THE MEDICAL AND BIOCHEMISTRY ILLITERATE CHALLENGING ME NOW. YOU ALL KNOW WHO. THIS SHOULD BE HILARIOUS.
RE SARGE Sargeant March 8, 2016 at 1:24 AM #
@Northern Observer
she said she was taking it for “flu” among other things, if you are taking a drug for “flu” for 10 years you have bigger problems.
YOU GOT THAT RIGHT AGAIN SARGE. SHE HAS BEN CHEATING FOR TEN YEARS BUT YET SERENA BEATS HER ALL THE TIME
RE NorthernObserver March 8, 2016 at 2:01 AM #
She had fainting spells, ……………………This drug I believe by itself or in combination is aimed at increasing blood flow.
IF YOU ARE USING THE DRUG BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT INCREASES BLOOD FLOW THEN YOU ARE A NASTY STINKING CHEAT ah lie?
reSargeant March 8, 2016 at 11:44 AM #
Given the number of Russians (more have been named today) who have now been banned or suspended because of this drug someone knew that this gave them a competitive advantage.
again you are correct…as previously noted
the drug is prescribed for heart ailments yet primarily Russian athletes were taking it because it helps with endurance THAT IS CALLED CHEATING IN ENGLISH
OK Sargeant agreed it certainly gave a competitive edge but the question is were they “…acting with the knowledge that the compound that made up this drug was illegal”.
All athletes seek to gain a competitive edge it’s only a bad thing if they do so illegally!
Thus greater than 15% elbow flex is cheating, but ripping a doosra within legal flex is skill.
There was a time when a blood transfusion was used to enhance performance for cyclists in particular but also for any athlete who needed to boost blood-oxygen levels to improve endurance. Absolutely Illegal now, of course.
But all that said, if as @Artax notes above that the drug (by whatever name) and its compound base was on a monitored list (first step to possible banning) since early 2015 then both Sharapova and her doctors should have been more professional in their behaviour. She earns too much money not to have an admin assistant or her doctor available to carefully track all medicines she ingests.
A ban seems reasonable….the old saw that ignorance of the law being no excuse is compounded here with an inability to simply have one of your medical team review year old reports!
@Dee Word
Based on the number of Russians found out what does it tell you?
Athletes and their doctors will always push the envelope?
Look at equine athletes who have no say in what is administered to them.
Milkshakes (bicarbonate cocktails) were common for many years before a test for CO2 was found. Yet NONE of the ingredients in most of those cocktails were banned, it was the effect they had (reduction of folic acid decreasing muscle fatigue) which was deemed performance enhancing.
Several years ago, a rash of horses were found to have a Class 1 stimulant, aminorex, in their systems. but testing later showed that levamisole, a medication used to boost the immune system in horses, could present itself as aminorex in tests due to body synthesis.
When Johnson lost the gold medal, years later, it was deemed with some accuracy that most, if not all, of the participants in that final were on some form of drugs used only because they may enhance performance. In fact Johnson’s coach always argued he took furzabol and not stanasinsol, and the latter could not have been in his system.
Look at blood doping? Wada has no test for what is called ‘Autologous blood doping’…using your own blood. Only when you add EPO’s, yet they can both achieve the same thing.
So a golfer has an awful headache, cannot concentrate or play, so takes 2 tylenol/aspirin, and feels better…..are those drugs not performance enhancing?
Life is a game. It is less about we do or do not do, than who gets caught and for what. In the end it is all bullshit, cause we know every athlete is taking something to enhance their performance, the only question is whether it is deemed a banned substance or not.
So she was taking a single drug for various medical conditions including diabetes.
The spin doctors failed her miserably. lol
Agreed David @ 12:50 PM…it tells us a lot. At the core it basically says they had found a new ‘trick of the trade’ and were exploiting it to its full extent. No harm no fowl until Jan 2015 and then directly in Jan 2016.
It is reported that a Russian Sports Federation sent notices to their athletes warning to be aware that WADA had placed this drug on its list. Maybe that is the attachment Sharapova or any of her team simply ‘forgot to click’ ….so too apparently those many Russians who got caught.
Either that or they thought they could continue to beat the system despite the ban.
Balderdash really. No world class athlete today can claim ignorance re the drug protocols as she is..so although I have absolutely no issue with her use prior to Jan 2015 since then she acted with careless indifference and the world will now label her a cheater!
No Hants….she probably takes so many medications every day she doesn’t know (remember?) exactly what they are all for. When these players arrive in Toronto each year for the tournament at York U, you would think each has their own personal Shoppers (CVS) pharmacy in their luggage.
Women’s world number one Serena Williams says Maria Sharapova’s acknowledgement of failing a doping test is a sign of “courage and heart”.
Sharapova admitted she failed a doping test at the Australian Open in January for meldonium, which became a banned substance under the World Anti-Doping Agency
code this year.
https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/10153566797681939/
What choice did she have but to come out and admit to it?
As we are on this subject of Sports and attractive white females I’ll use the opportunity to touch on a case just concluded in the US that to me is a different example of a similar double standard.
Ms. Erin Andrews was awarded $55M damages for pain and suffering, and I presume also a punitive component, from the illegally taken video through a hotel door peephole of her naked. The perp was convicted and jailed for his actions but the hotel refused to settle the suit she brought against them for his actions…stupid I think, but that’s another matter completely.
At issue here is that she was a popular ESPN sports journalist and claims she has been compromised in her career and life. Now of course she was embarrassed and humiliated to have 17 million see her naked (men cant resist a naked lady it seems!!) on the internet but a $55M damage award for pain and suffering!!
Although I have not seen her naked video, the evidence of her revealing/provocative outfits on air confirm that she is blessed with an athletic looking physique so what’s the big deal if 17 millions people saw it. Hold your head high and be proud.
In fact despite all that she went on to bigger and better things in her career and the revealing video has not stopped her from finding a great male companion and it WILL certainly not stop her from future millions $$ work contracts, nor will it deprive her any years with her parents and family or from having children even. NOTHING.
So clearly she has been paid for being embarrassed…well and the the hotel’s negligence.
Contrast this to a man who was jailed WRONGFULLY for 22 years and was recently awarded $18 Million and is now being asked (forced) to accept $12M.
Of course and obviously these are different matters of law, but the simple mathematics and absolute ridiculousness is still so stark.
In this modern world of internet selfies some of which border on hard pornography that jury verdict was the ridiculous embrace of another lovely blond lady gaming the system !
The tort reform issue at his heinous worst!
@GP
“ALL DRUGS HAVE A BRAND NAME AND A GENERIC OR CHEMICAL NAME
BOTH APPEAR IN THE LITERATURE ISSUED WITH THE DRUG AND ON THE PACKAGING”
I have no need to CAPS you but offer the following fyi
My son’s girlfriend, who was born in Canada from an Estonian mother, and who is fluent in several Slavic languages, takes this said medication. And for medical reasons, she is not an athlete. Her cardiologist, who is a Canadian of similar Slavic background, told her about this drug some years ago. He cannot prescribe it for her, but she found a doctor in Estonia who could. Is she wrong to take it because it has no N.American approvals? And also FYI, the packaging she tells me (cause I cannot read it, and she tells me it is Russian, but looks like a bunch of gibberish to me), only mentions the word MILDRONATE, nowhere is the term meldonium found. Is it possible that laws re packaging in those countries are different from N.America? It is however mentioned on the enclosed literature, which in 4 years on this drug “she has NEVER read”!!! See how life is? I cannot get angry with her, cause I take a few medications and I have never read the enclosed literature myself. The truth is, many of them are generics, so I get a bottle of pills. I suppose the literature supplied initially by the pharmacy contained specifics, but beyond the side effects I don’t recall reading them.
@Northern, all that you stated is clear and real for the average citizen. It is absolutely not acceptable for a top athlete. At Sharapova’s level you have to check carefully. Those athletes know that they have to read and have their doctors confirm that the medicines and supplements which they are taking are allowed. That’s an standard operating procedure in that world.
There have been cases in the past as I recall where athletes have gotten into serious trouble for taking standard regularly available supplements that would not get any average citizen in trouble. So its always about what’s the compound that constitutes this thing I am taking.
Saves having the world call you a lovely cheater and halt the income stream!
Georgie Porgie March 8, 2016 at 12:28 PM #
“LOOK NOW FOR THE MEDICAL AND BIOCHEMISTRY ILLITERATE CHALLENGING ME NOW. YOU ALL KNOW WHO. THIS SHOULD BE HILARIOUS.”
@ GP
It would be a bit “fool hardy” to challenge you, especially since this is your field of expertise.
I also mentioned that the Russians studied the effects of Meldonium on sports performance, by administering a dose of 0.5-1.0 g twice a day, on Russian judokas before they commenced training, “as a 14-21 day course during the training period 10-14 days before competition.”
[Source: Kakhabrishvili Z, Chabashvili N, Akhalkatsi V, Skhirtladze T, Chutkerashvili T. Mildronate effect on physical working capacity among highly qualified judokas. Ann. Biomed. Res. Edu. 2002, 2, 551].
Another Russian study, translated into English, showed a significant improvement in the swimming of rats after Meldonium supplementation. Unfortunately, a significant amount of the research into this topic is only published in Russian.
@ DIW
WADA issues an annual “World Anti-Doping Code International Standard Prohibited List,” which is applicable across all sports. It is interesting to note that the 2016 edition of this list was PUBLISHED on SEPTEMBER 29, 2015.
Therefore, athletes should have been AWARE BEFORE January 1, 2016 what substances were added to that list. On page 4 of the 2016 list, under the heading: “HORMONE AND METABOLIC MODULATORS: The following hormone and metabolic modulators are prohibited,” Meldonium is listed as sub-item 5.1, under “Item 5: METABOLIC MODULATORS.”
According to WADA, Meldonium was added to the list of “SUBSTANCES AND METHODS PROHIBITED AT ALL TIMES (IN AND OUT OF COMPETITION),” because of “EVIDENCE of its USE by ATHLETES with the INTENTION of ENHANCING PERFORMANCE.”
The following link displays the 2016 prohibited list:
https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/wada-2016-prohibited-list-en.pdf
Sharapova admitted WADA sent an email on December 22, 2015 informing her of the changes to the 2016 list of banned substances, which were to take effect from January 1, 2016 and would have shown Meldonium/Mildronate had been included as a banned substance.
As I mentioned in a previous post, Sharapova has been provisionally suspended by the International Tennis Federation (ITF), effective March 12, 2016. So, we could assume she is a member of that organization.
In ADDITION to being informed of WADA’s 2016 list VIA E-MAIL, the ITF also INCLUDES a COPY of that list, which is set out on APPENDIX 3 of its “TENNIS ANTI DOPING PROGRAMME 2016.” This information can be found on page 9 of the programme, under ITEM 3: PROHIBITED SUBSTANCES, PROHIBITED METHODS and TUEs.”
Is Sharapova trying to convince all and sundry she erred by not only refusing to read important information from WADA, but also from the ITF as well…. the administrators of her game…….. tennis?
@Sargeant March 7, 2016 at 10:36 PM “What are the chances that two Russian athletes in different sports would be suspended on the same day for using the same “heart” drug. Sharapova lives in the US yet she said that the drug was prescribed by her family doctor.”
The drug could not have beenlawfully prescribed by her family doctor, because the drug is NOT FDA aproved.
Not unless fer “family” doctor lives in Estonia.
@Sargeant March 8, 2016 at 12:45 AM ” the highest paid female athlete in the world when endorsements are counted.”
Not anymore Sarge, not anymore. De white girl gone thru de eddoes.
Artax March 8, 2016 at 4:17 PM #
Georgie Porgie March 8, 2016 at 12:28 PM #
“LOOK NOW FOR THE MEDICAL AND BIOCHEMISTRY ILLITERATE CHALLENGING ME NOW. YOU ALL KNOW WHO. THIS SHOULD BE HILARIOUS.”
@ GP
It would be a bit “fool hardy” to challenge you, especially since this is your field of expertise.
ARTAX
I WAS NOT REFERRING TO YOU ,AT ALLSIR. YOU HAVE TOO MUCH SENSE FOR THAT
YOU TEND TO BE REASONABLE AND TO REASON
BUT WE HAVE A FEW IDIOTS ON THE BLOG WHO CUT AND PASTE FROM JOKERS ON THE WEB AND WHO THINK THAT A FELLOW BAJAN HAS LESS SENSE OR KNOWLEDGE
@David March 8, 2016 at 12:12 AM “Wasn’t the drug recently put on a list in January? Could it be an honest mistake?”
Dear David: yesterday on another thread i asked if a certain fella didn’t go to sunday school. Today I tell you that you spent too much time in sunday school. Way way too much time.
SIMON
RE Today I tell you that you spent too much time in sunday school. Way way too much time.
LOL DO YOU MEAN HE IS A NICE BOY?
HOW COULD HE HAVE SPENT TOO MUCH TIME IN SUNDAY SCHOOL MAM?
TO ALL
NOTE THAT IN ADDITION TO ITS GENERIC NAME MOST DRUG LITTERATURE AND LABELS HAVE THE CHEMICAL NAME OF THE DRUG WHICH IS UNIVERSAL
MAYBE DAVID WILL UPLOAD A NOTE ON THIS AS THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR EVERDAY LIVING AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU TRAVEL TO NON ENGLISH SPEAKING COUNTRIES
@NorthernObserver March 8, 2016 at 1:13 AM “The question Sargeant needs to ask himself, is why is highest paid female athlete going to knowingly get caught taking something which will end all that endorsement cash flow?”
Because dear northern, hope springs eternal in the human breast. She was hoping that she would earn the lovely endorsement money AND not get caught.
The endorsement money to sweeten the bank account, and drugs to maintain the fame which sweetened the ego.
The ego won.
The ego always wins.
@DIW
you are 100% correct. And Sharapova should have known, or had it checked by competent advisers, and will pay a price (Nike has already suspended their endorsement deal)
What gets me is the JUDGEMENTAL nature of others. A drug is not illegal UNTIL it is placed on the BANNED list, regardless of what it does.
So….”IF YOU ARE USING THE DRUG BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT INCREASES BLOOD FLOW THEN YOU ARE A NASTY STINKING CHEAT ah lie?”
GP assumes the rest of the world is graced with his medical/chemical knowledge. If a doctor says take it, and confirms it is NOT on the banned substance list, do you think an athlete (person) really cares what it actually does apart from curing a problem they have?
“SHE HAS BEN CHEATING FOR TEN YEARS BUT YET SERENA BEATS HER ALL THE TIME”
How? What is the REAL issue? If in August WADA bans a medication Serena is currently taking and has been on for several years, and she stops taking it, does that make her a cheat? Of course not. Truth is we wouldn’t even know. If Sharapova had stopped this drug, she wouldn’t have tested positive, and none of us would have had any knowledge of what medications she does/does not take.
@Georgie Porgie March 8, 2016 at 4:44 PM “LOL DO YOU MEAN HE IS A NICE BOY? HOW COULD HE HAVE SPENT TOO MUCH TIME IN SUNDAY SCHOOL MAM?”
Not only nice, but too too nice. Lol!!!
TO ALL
NOTE THAT IN ADDITION TO ITS GENERIC NAME MOST DRUG LITTERATURE AND LABELS HAVE THE CHEMICAL NAME OF THE DRUG WHICH IS UNIVERSAL
True dat.
Even those of use who are not high paid athletes, or bright bright doctors know to check google or wikipedia or some such amateur source to see what it is that our doctors have ordered us to take. I don’t know anybody anymore who will just open and swallow.
@Simple Simon
It was a tongue in cheek. Blame Sargeant who uses heavy doses of sarcasm to make his points.
@SS
“Because dear northern, hope springs eternal in the human breast. She was hoping that she would earn the lovely endorsement money AND not get caught.”
This only makes sense if she earned endorsement money solely because of her tennis ability. We all know it is largely because of her looks. Sharapova could quit tomorrow and still make significant income.
FYI, the top sports endorsement earner is 2015 was a RETIRED player, you may have heard of him, called MJ or Michael Jordan. In fact, he made almost double any active player. You don’t need to be active, just well known.
i repeat
”IF YOU ARE USING THE DRUG BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT INCREASES BLOOD FLOW THEN YOU ARE A NASTY STINKING CHEAT ah lie?”
why would you take a drug that increases blood flow……………..to arms and legs unless you want to cheat?
you dont have to have medical knowledge for dat….you just have to be a cheater to do it
if you are an athlete why do you want to have increased blood flow except to enhance performance………unless you are a porn actor? and by now you should know the drugs indicated for that purpose
@NorthernObserver March 8, 2016 at 3:30 PM “My son’s girlfriend, who was born in Canada from an Estonian mother, and who is fluent in several Slavic languages, takes this said medication…in the enclosed literature, which in 4 years on this drug “she has NEVER read…I take a few medications and I have never read the enclosed literature myself.”
I don’t want to get all up in your business but i fear for your grand kids (when you get them) in their mother AND their grandfather do not read medical package inserts.
@NorthernObserver March 8, 2016 at 5:01 PM “you may have heard of him, called MJ or Michael Jordan. ”
Ahhh!!! i am quite familiar with the lovely face, and the even lovlier body of the great MJ.
@SS
I feel the exact same way, when the lot of them don’t read the fine print on their financial documents. How the hell could they not see the rate quoted is for 1 year, and it almost doubles in years 2 and 3 and they signed a 3 year deal???
But I admit I don’t read the medical stuff. My specialist at Sunnybrook wrote the textbook used in Canadian medical schools. One time I developed a bad cough, he changed my meds. Today each time I go somewhere where I have to disclose my meds, they always stop at this new one. What’s that they ask? I reply I don’t know but it replaced XXXXXX (well know drug). They google it, and go ‘interesting I never heard of it, but yes it probably achieves the same thing”.
I trust the top doctors that they know more than I.
@SS
see…”the lovely face, and the even lovlier body of the great MJ.” you think that helps his endorsement value!!! LOL
@GP
With all due respect, I repeat, your knowledge way exceeds the average person.
You assume the patient was fully aware the primary purpose of the medication was to “increase blood flow”. What if they were told “I think this might prevent your fainting”, how do they know exactly how it does that? I can just imagine a prof athlete’s next question “is it banned”. No it is not banned. Well then, let’s try it and see?
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