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It was recently announced, by the Government Information Service, that the Protective Service Commission has approved the appointment of Mr. Oral Williams on promotion to the post of Deputy Commissioner of Police in the Royal Barbados Police Force, with effect from May 1, 2020.

I really don’t know if I should congratulate or offer commiserations to Mr. Williams. This has nothing to do with his fitness for the post. I do not know of his work or performance as a senior police officer and cannot speak to his fitness. My concern is that he has been appointed to a non-existent post, since someone is already substantively appointed Deputy Commissioner.

The Police Act, Chapter 167 of the Laws of Barbados, states at section 6:

The Force shall consist of a Commissioner, a Deputy Commissioner and such number of Assistant Commissioners, Superintendents, Inspectors, subordinate police officers and constables respectively as does not exceed the number provided by any order made under section 2 of the Civil Establishments Act: but the members of the Force at 16th October 1961, shall continue to be members of the Force and shall be subject to this Act.

The number of persons appointed to the post of Commissioner and Deputy Commissioner is subject to primary legislation, in this case the Police Act, and can only be changed by an amendment to that Act done in Parliament. On the other hand, the Police Act goes on to give the Minister responsible for Civil Establishments the power, by subsidiary legislation, to determine the number of Assistant Commissioners, Superintendents, Inspectors, subordinate police officers and constables.

For completeness, the Civil Establishments Act was repealed and replaced by the Public Service Act on December 31, 2007. The power to determine the number of posts in the Public Service is now found at section 13.(1) of the Public Service Act.

The power to make appointments to public offices and to remove and to exercise disciplinary control over persons holding or acting in the Public Service is vested in the Governor-General, acting in accordance with the advice of service commissions, in this case the Protective Service Commission. That service commission, like all others in Barbados, can only recommend the appointment of persons to post that are available. There is only one post of Deputy Commissioner available and that is already filled.

Who is responsible for this cock-up? Is this yet another example of this Government not getting anything right the first?

 

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1,036 responses to “Senator Caswell Franklyn Speaks – Mock Police”

  1. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    Miller and Piece….wuh looka this though, we caught Dale lying, he thought everyone had forgotten he said that they cannot make laws and amendments retroactive to lock up the DLP crooks, even with the BIG RED BAG OF EVIDENCE..

    ….but to keep the 2nd Deputy COP….the goddamn amendment to the present laws will have to be made RETROACTIVE… because the dude has ALREADY BEEN APPOINTED….it’s the only way..

    40 useless as ass lawyers in government, the ones elected and all their legal hangersons…. 40 of these parasites sucking on taxpayers with glee….and there is nothing the people can see to show what they are paying for…

  2. David Avatar
    David

    @Miller

    Nice prose!

  3. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    This is a learning curve for young Khaleel, who knows not that he knows not and who has years of LEARNING and FACING REALITY ahead of him…

  4. Miller Avatar
    Miller

    @ WURA-War-on-U May 13, 2020 7:40 AM

    After that first firm whipping to his baby bottom we think he is now eligible to go on to second form in the political class.

    He is far too young to be exposed to the teachings of the likes of Machiavelli or Sun Tzu.

    “When envoys are sent with compliments in their mouths, it is a sign that the enemy wishes for a truce.” ~ Sun Tzu

  5. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    Yep…..Khaleel would do well to cut his teeth at the feet of BU bloggers, he will be BETTER INFORMED and MUCH BETTER EQUIPPED with knowledge and know how TO DO THE RIGHT THINGS……..anything else and it’s very clear he is being used by those with NO SCRUPLES to push an agenda that is easily dismantled…..obviously to their own HORROR…lol.

  6. Khaleel Kothdiwala Avatar
    Khaleel Kothdiwala

    As per usual, we focus upon innocuous human errors rather than engage in the substantive part of the AG’s statement related to the necessity of the post. No one denies that the appropriate amendment did not take place and that that ought soon to be rectified in a retroactive manner. But the central point remains that the creation of a second DCOP post will serve to enhance policing in the Force and by extension assist in keeping Barbadians safe. DCOP Williams comments in my view are most instructive and commendable. In a storm of criticism (more just ripple on the sea) he remained committed to duty and remains “fine” in his words.

  7. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    Miller…all we have to do is wait patiently for their NEXT COCKUP, while they wait for the electorate to forget all their lies and crimes, they themselves don’t even remember half the lies they tell the people…AND THROUGH THE MEDIA TOO…

    i was waiting patiently for 18 months for Dale to forget that lie he told in the media.

    40 lawyers infesting the parliament and NOT ONE OF THEM HAVE ANY COMMONSENSE…

  8. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    None of that smoothing over by poor Khaleel is going to help Dale now, he got CAUGHT lying already….40 lawyers could NEVER have MISSED the fact that the Police Act needed an amendment BEFORE the dude was appointed…and now needs a RETROACTIVE amendment…now that they have already appointed him….and SINCE the AG missed something so elementary…he should NOT BE ATTORNEY GENERAL…

    KARMA and retribution don’t care about ministers who lie at will..and by default.

  9. Khaleel Kothdiwala Avatar
    Khaleel Kothdiwala

    @ WARU

    Really??!!!!! The GoB would purposely ignore the need to enact a legislative amendment to effect the appointment so that they could open themselves up to the moderate criticism over the last week? What sort of malarkey logic is that? If you have no faith in politicians as few people do, at least have faith in the fact that they often like to get reelected and enduring criticism because of a very silly and elementary mistake could in other circumstances be harmful to approval. So no government purposely puts themself through that.

    Just a few reminders for you and Piece and Miller and the entire cabal when next you enjoy a session at the Anti-Mottley Cult:
    1. Hate cages all the good things around you
    2. The price of hating other human beings is loving oneself less.
    And finally from our dear Austen

    There is, I believe, in every disposition a tendency to some particular evil, a natural defect, which not even the best education can overcome.”
    “And your defect is a propensity to hate everybody.”
    “And yours,” he replied with a smile, “is wilfully to misunderstand them.

  10. Miller Avatar
    Miller

    (Quote):
    But the central point remains that the creation of a second DCOP post will serve to enhance policing in the Force and by extension assist in keeping Barbadians safe. (Unquote).
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Is Bim that overrun with crime as reflected in the reported statistics?

    Can you cite another jurisdiction in the English-speaking Caribbean with higher reported crime rates- or for that matter the Commonwealth- where such a precedent exist?

    Would both deputies be acting when the one sheriff is off on extended leave?

    How about creating a triumvirate of CoPs?

    We are sure you have heard the old ‘racial’ saying: ‘Too many chiefs and not enough Indians’.

    Barbados needs more policing boots on the ground not pen pushers in air-conditioned offices.

    When are you going to see that long outstanding recruiting void filled?

  11. Miller Avatar
    Miller

    @ Khaleel Kothdiwala May 13, 2020 9:43 AM

    Why don’t you be a missionary to the Middle East where your gospel is in much need?

  12. Enuff Avatar
    Enuff

    Like I said, the amendment will be made, then what? Stupse.

  13. Khaleel Kothdiwala Avatar
    Khaleel Kothdiwala

    @ Miller

    How you can’t see that increasing boots on the ground will be possible with a dedicated DCOP dealing with HR is beyond me. The RBPF has had less than a sterling record of late re HR matters.

    As always you delight in the singularity of focus you bring to bear in pursuit of your agenda.

  14. Enuff Avatar
    Enuff

    Miller
    Do share with BU the force’s operational challenges. Set out what obtains in other Commonwealth countries, not just whether there are 2 Deps but the full structure. Then in your usual verbose style, tell BU why based on your research and analyses, two DCOP are not required.

  15. Miller Avatar
    Miller

    @ Khaleel Kothdiwala May 13, 2020 10:07 AM

    HR line matters are the direct responsibility of those at Asst. CoP level.
    There are 4.

    We are dealing with a period of much needed public expenditure control not only in a BERT environment but also in the coming Covid-19 tsunami which will wash away a massive slice of government revenues.

    Why don’t you listen to your Master Caswell and get the message behind the double deputy dipping in the pension cookie jar?

    PS: Have you managed to research the precedent of such a precedence in the duplication of rank of deputy in the Commonwealth?

  16. Miller Avatar
    Miller

    @ Enuff May 13, 2020 10:29 AM

    Simple answer! MONEY.

    While we are at it how about recommending a second post of CoP?

    You see, no verbosity! Just short and sweet; just like you ‘enuff”!

  17. Khaleel Kothdiwala Avatar
    Khaleel Kothdiwala

    @ Miller

    As always you pervert the point to suit yourself. Yes there is an ACP with responsibility for HR. The present system with regard to HR management of the RBPF has produced what two/three lawsuits (although I don’t know you can squarely blame the officials, more so the former PSC), lowest number of applicants on record and following from that a massive deficit in force numbers such that they are operating below optimal and finally the present system has produced ironically the very cock-up that was this appointment not provisioned for in law. They say that if it isn’t broken don’t fix it. Clearly the system re HR matter was broken and it’s time to fix it in order to deliver an enhanced quality policing to deserving taxpayers.

  18. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    “Really??!!!!! The GoB would purposely ignore the need to enact a legislative amendment to effect the appointment so that they could open themselves up to the moderate criticism over the last week?”

    of course they would, because they believe themselves the smartest people in the world, are well aware that the average bajan would not know the difference and that all the other lowlife lawyers like themselves would sit quietly by and say nothing because they won’t want to rock the boat to endanger their free salaries for being piece of shit sell outs….that is what corrupt tinpot leaders do…

    the leaders before them were some vile wreteches who did not even think the taxpayers who educated them were worth telling or knowing anything, these are just the exact same wretches only difference is the era, but using the same oppressive practices as those who came before them…..problem for them they miscalculated and it continues to bite them in their collective asses on the regular and yet…THEY STILL LEARN NOTHING….still believe they can slick one over on the people, still being exposed though, that’s the upside.

    Did you see anyone else besides Caswell bring it to the attention of the public???? and even you along with the other more seasoned fowls ATTACKED HIM for his public service…

    loving any lowlife politician is belittling oneself……one has to be coldly analytical to see reality…..and bring it to the attention of others..so that the appropriate changes can be made over time…

    bullshit mouthings of someone else’s delusions solves nothing..

  19. Silversleeves Avatar
    Silversleeves

    How wunna could let a little child destroy wunna so? It’s embarrassing. The boy makes good sense. A mistake was made, it is now being rectified. Simple! But you all don’t do simplicity. Miller can’t answer simple questions and poor fella can’t even respond properly when the youngster pulls him up on his blatant racism. Miller and WARU have no response for the youngster saying that all they do is whine whine whine. Yes there is corruption. What are we to do about it? Spend 8 years on BU crying? Wuhloss wunna more infantile than you think the erudite youngster is.

    He tell you about your onanistic fascination (I had to look that one up. I spent most of time in the university of life so unlike the learned youngster I can’t command that vocabulary). But that onanism is misplaced. Because I feel real embarrassed that I is a big hardback fella and I see a little youngster not even outa school yet come and completely mash up other big hardback men. How wunna really feel though? You have a great deal of talk but I wonder when you go to bed at night if it doesn’t burn you just a little that you can’t even fool a babe. So how you think you could ever fool big people.

    I like what he told wunna about hatred. Now as I say I ain’t learned but I know a little bout the Good Book
    Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.

    Take heed Miller

  20. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    Khaleel….not forgetting that the likes of the AG ARE WELL AWARE…that the average bajan is HELPLESS to fight them when they run these scams on the people…

    …. something like when they collectively rob the elderly, their beneficiaries and the helpless of their land, huge estates and bank accounts….they know well Enuff that they have no recourse and no one to help them….the very reason why they have gotten away with these crimes for DECADES…until social media started the process of UPENDING THEM….they have no scruples and ethics, that was established long before you took the stage at one of DLP or BLP…….fraudulent political meetings…

  21. Miller Avatar
    Miller

    @ Silversleeves May 13, 2020 11:03 AM

    “Aquila non capit muscas!”

  22. Khaleel Kothdiwala Avatar
    Khaleel Kothdiwala

    @ WARU

    In the midst of your vituperative rant, you failed to explain a possible reason for the GOB wishing to conceal this appointment by intentionally not enacting a legislative amendment? What is wrong with the appointment substantively? Absolutely nothing. It is a worthy addition and there was no attempt to hide it. There simply was an oversight when it comes to the need for an amendment. So there was no attempt to cover it up because the appointment was not substantively harmful so there was no need to introduce it in the dead of night. Indeed Williams has acted in the post for nearly a year and nary a whimper until recently. So it was a matter of public record, and clearly all persons were unaware lest someone, the good Senator perhaps, would have brought it up sometime before.

    So I ask you again why? Persons flout the law intentionally for a reason. Persons are corrupt for a reason. THey wish to introduce a harmful piece of legislation. They wish to gain financial profit and the list goes on. Nothing on that list is a possible reason for supposedly covering up a meritorious appointment. Even if like Miller you disagree with the appointment, it is not something so devastating to the government that requires clandestine effort, ultimately because Miller is in a minority of 1 with that opinion, or perhaps charitably a minority comprised of BU commentators solely (I know the thought of yourself being aminority must be anathema dear Mills).

    So why WARU? JUst for the hell of it? That obviously doesn’t make sense.

    Remember WARU that hatred of others causes one’s vision to be so completely blurred that reality is completely obscured. A word to the wise!

  23. Silversleeves Avatar
    Silversleeves

    @ Miller

    You added some Latin to your list of copy and paste phrases. That ain’t no problem. The Catholics used to and still use Latin in their services so I sure you could still find a Latin translation of the verse above.

  24. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    The first thing the AG should have done was to check the Police Act to see if they had violated it once Caswell pointed it out, but no he came out swinging at Caswell instead..

    …of course if ya had an intelligent AG or even one intelligent lawyer in the whole nest of vipers they would have CITED the ACT FIRST BEFORE the appointment…but did they do that, of course not, they jumped right in without looking left nor right and then SENT THEIR FOWLS after Caswell instead of apologizing to the people when HE POINTED IT OUT….if they had not done that with their uppity selves, we may just have seen it as an error, even if i would be still skeptical.

    …..and intelligent people are supposed to be impressed…look move…

    …this is frigging elementary, not rocket science…it is done in every law firm, every competent government office every minute of every day around the world…citing legisation BEFORE MAKING APPOINTMENTS..

  25. Khaleel Kothdiwala Avatar
    Khaleel Kothdiwala

    @ WARU 11.08

    This still is not a convincing reason for why the government in this instance might wish to operate clandestinely. As usual, respond to a question about present affairs with a whine about historical wrongs. And you wonder why present challenges aren’t resolved. I’m positively keen on the study of history as being important to the present and the future. But my dear there is a difference between using the past as a guiding light to and away from things and being completely obsessed with it to the exclusion of all else.

    It is time to purge the hatred.

  26. TheOGazerts Avatar
    TheOGazerts

    Just a comment:

    I am somewhat confused.
    🙂 Does the apology mean that the pick-a-noise/salemites/Abigail crew had a strong argument 🙂
    🙂 Does this mean that KK was doing a fantastic Ali-shuffle, but not truly engaging the topic? 🙂

    As the AG threw in the towel, I have to say “Great job Salemites.”

    Seem like shirtsleeves got caught up with the verbosity of the lad. and not the oucome of the struggle.

  27. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    BTW…one of you simmering fowls need to tell the AG that he owes the people who pay his salary…..a ginormous APOLOGY, .not only for that slimy move but also for that WHOPPER OF A LIE he told to the media nearly 2 years ago that legislation COULD NOT be amended and made retroactive to fight CORRUPTION AMONG ministers nor to arrest the tiefing DLP ministers with the bag of evidence Mia was waving around…..let’s see if he has finally mutated from rat to man…

    …….i would want to know how come they can make the police act retroactive to fight crime and criminals in the communities now,, what’s the difference, making laws retroactive to fight corruption in the parliament, corruption that is weaponized against generation after generation of the people who elected them just to enrich themselves and their fellow thieves, corrupting perpetrated by ministers/lawyers etc……….and making laws retroactive to fight crime in the communities…

    they should be ASHAMED that US had to do their job for them and SNARE Donville…

  28. Khaleel Kothdiwala Avatar
    Khaleel Kothdiwala

    @ Gazert

    If by threw in the towel, you mean admitted an error in a mature manner befitting an official of a democracy standing head and shoulders above many others in this hemisphere and promised to rectify it in cognisnace of the fact that politicians are ultimately accountable to and servants of the people, so that when they express their dissatisfaction, even when it is a small band, they ought to listen in a more appropriate manner. I suppose that if you are representing the facts as they stand in the phrase “threw in the towel”, then I guess that phrase can count as speaking to reality.

    @ Silversleeves

    Thank you for correcting my error in including a Biblical quotation on the subject of the evils of hatred. Let’s see if the message is imbibed by its recipients.

  29. Khaleel Kothdiwala Avatar
    Khaleel Kothdiwala

    @ WARU

    Not only is that a whopper of a mischaracterisation of the AG’s comments, it also belies a certain ignorance to the vast delta of difference which exits between prosecuting corruption and making a simple appointment.

    I can only say that with age I do hope that I do not become a yardfowl in that I pursue a political agenda so singularly it is often to the exclusion of reality. May yardfowlism and agenda-pushing never visit itself upon me, and may I always see the facts in an objective manner. It would be regrettable in my view for me to transmogrify in adulthood to mirror any of the characteristics exemplified on BU, particularly vituperative, bitter hatred and the pursuit of agendas even when the facts don’t support it.

  30. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    “And you wonder why present challenges aren’t resolved. ”

    oh really…..the last thing any of those THIEVES and crooks want to be reminded of is their evil deeds against the vulnerable people who elected them…trust me, they can’t sleep knowing the only way it will stop is if they come clean and give back what they stole or it will follow them for decades to come, social media is going nowhere…

    did i tell you about the time they tried to have social media removed from Barbados just so their minority thieving business partners can continue robbing the island undisturbed and THEIR BRIBES would not be at risk……ya should ask Mia…

    you just don’t know how far we have come…as i said, you know not that you know not…

    “Seem like shirtsleeves got caught up with the verbosity of the lad. and not the oucome of the struggle.”

    that is what happens when they like too much stupid flowery talk that sound sweet to them, they make fools of themselves….

    I really hope Kahleel that you are not looking at a career in law, if you are, be prepared to be MOWED DOWN savagely by those who do not even have a law degree…it’s the nature of things…

  31. David Avatar
    David

    @Kahleel

    It is important to anchor your comments to the substantive issues and forget following others down the rabbit hole.

    1. The flippant and arrogant reply to Senator Caswell and what it says about his office being receptive and responsive to constructive feedback.

    2. Why did the government bureaucracy of the civil service not kick in to prevent the embarrassment appointing two Deputies if the law does not allow it.

    Discuss for 10 marks.

    >

  32. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    ” it also belies a certain ignorance to the vast delta of difference which exits between prosecuting corruption and making a simple appointment.”

    and there lies the evidence of your youth…..any law whether it’s to be made retroactive for prosecuting corruption or making a “simple appointment” as you put it to PROSECUTE CRIMES……CAN BE MADE RETROACTIVE…..corruption is a crime, just like any other crime, it’s still a crime when committed by lawyers, government ministers etc….

    the appointment is to create the competencies s needed to FIGHT CRIME….or so they said…

    making a legislation retroactive to PROSECUTE CORRUPTION…is FIGHTING CRIME..

    the AG speciafically stated that making the legislation he was looking at, at that time, if he was looking at any at all, i now doubt very much that he even looked ..could not be made retroactive….and that is the BIG WHOPPER OF A LIE…

  33. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    “Why did the government bureaucracy of the civil service not kick..”

    even that i wondered about, is there not a police services commission….filled with lawyers, they jump out at everything else, why did no one say anything or tell Caswell he had a point…..so many questions to ask about why everyone just sat around collecting their salaries and pretended to be deaf, dumb and blind..

  34. Khaleel Kothdiwala Avatar
    Khaleel Kothdiwala

    @ David

    i have sufficiently addressed already the strategic imperatives implicit in the AG’s original statement on the issue and then subsequently addressed what his more humbled, second statement says about the health of our Barbadian democracy. And to the second point I am quite in the dark as to why the bureaucracy would not have prevented this error. They have such complex rules supposedly for the stability of the system resulting in our languishing position in the Ease of Doing Business Index etc and in this instance, the labyrinthine civil service machine, often the most significant obstacle to any progress, fell apart and couldn’t spot and stop this mistake. Now that is something worth looking into.

    So I will not relitigate issues already addressed for points or not.

  35. Khaleel Kothdiwala Avatar
    Khaleel Kothdiwala

    @ WARU

    No one can plausibly deny the ability to make legislation have retroactive effect. It is a common thing. You continue to generalise and mischaracterise the AG. The yardfowlism ought to stop.

  36. Khaleel Kothdiwala Avatar
    Khaleel Kothdiwala

    @ WARU

    A layman’s knowledge would reveal the aversion of several human rights charters and bodies to the prospect of imposing retroactive penalties for criminal wrongdoing, for fear of abuse of that power by unscrupulous governments to attack persons who were previously acting lawfully. While the last government doesn’t fit that categorisation, the broad principle applies re the imposition of retroactive penalties. So clearly quite different from the matter of an appointment dear WARU

  37. Miller Avatar
    Miller

    @ Khaleel Kothdiwala May 13, 2020 11:16 AM

    At least, KK, my little sparring partner you have put me in rather good red company with your created hologram in Atherley.

    Remind us again about the majority of the1 sitting on the Opposition bench in the lower House?

    What laws did the BLP-controlled government flouted to ‘force’ Atherley to become a one-man ‘majority’ on the other side.

    Who is going to keep him company as a result of Covid spreading to the fat cabinet?

    But that twin-headed monster of an enigma will soon be forced to raise its ugly head(s), again, very soon.

    The miller is against the creation of the duplication of duties because it is an additional cost clearly unaffordable in these times.

    What are you going to tell the lower-level public sector workers when they either have to get their emoluments cut by a significant % or send some of them on the breadline because of the Covid category 4 financial hurricane is just a few miles off Barbados.

    Are you going to hire another Tsar to advise on the matter?

  38. Enuff Avatar
    Enuff

    Stupse!

  39. Khaleel Kothdiwala Avatar
    Khaleel Kothdiwala

    @ Mills

    I have twice explained the very simple mathematics of a majority of 1. If you don’t understand a straightforward concept such as that I really can’t help.

    More to the point my dear Millsy, you ask me some questions I am really unqualified to answer. Your pal Piece or the good Senator can shed light for you on the motivation for the Bishop’s crossing. Me? I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt. I wouldn’t like to think that a righteous man of the cloth would cross the floor in pursuit of higher remuneration, as some say. I really wouldn’t like to think that. But hey, I’m naive so don’t listen to me about that 😁

    Where are the duplication in duties in having two DCPs with separate function? Or in appointing an officer who superintends the work of another, i.e. the relationship between new DCP and ACP responsible for HR? In the second instance is that duplication or vertical organisational strengthening of service delivery?

    Think on these things dear Millsy

  40. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    “While the last government doesn’t fit that categorisation, the broad principle applies re the imposition of retroactive penalties.”

    pure rubbish and you know it, but it ONLY SERVES TO RE-ENFORCE what we already know…that DBLP is one hydro-headed destructive animal with 2 tails…and you are clearly not qualified to analyze that particular topic either….stick to the flowery basic words that don’t mean squat but would impress the more gullible…and less intelligent..

    “A layman’s knowledge would reveal the aversion of several human rights charters and bodies to the prospect of imposing retroactive penalties for criminal wrongdoing.”

    FYI, both corrupt governments absolutely REFUSED to acknowledge any such human rights charters or international laws that were meant to protect the people from their corrupt practices and in some cases blatantly REFUSED TO RATIFY some of them..

    … and definitely REFUSED .to legislate ITAL or FOIA…so you are still on shaky ground and sinking slowly but surely…just like with the laws that can be made retroactive to fight the CRIMES OF money laundering, bribeery and thefts from the vulnerable people on the island….where the international community had no choice to APPLY PRESSURE…to get them to even create the legislation to fight money laundering…they sat it down for decades and refused to even acknowledge it existed, just like with the medical marijuana legislation that both slimes kept secret from the people..

    you are dealing with RATS…not humans, unfortunately for us they have black faces…

  41. Khaleel Kothdiwala Avatar
    Khaleel Kothdiwala

    @ Dear WARU

    Human rights has a highly specific definition in international law and I am not aware that AML important as it is falls under it but I won’t nitpick. I accept the point Barbados is signatory to most and ratified about the same. We certainly have much better record in that department than many of our Western brothers (read: the United States). However in some areas we have been deficient intentionally often, not so other times

    Regardless, that is immaterial. You decry successive governments for lack of compliance with these and now you say it’s insignificant what these charters say and that government ought just to ignore them? You’re arguing against yourself

  42. David Avatar
    David

    @Kahleel

    The issues are sufficiently important to merit relitigation even if the arguments are embarrassing for (you) the government. The point was made to you last weekend Senator Caswell’s discovery and exposure of the appointment of Oral Williams could have gained traction with the right conditions. The blogmaster like will not relitigate the matter then.

  43. Khaleel Kothdiwala Avatar
    Khaleel Kothdiwala

    @ David

    I must thank you for aggrandizing me to the point of being synonymous with the Government. I as a mere youngster really can lay no claim to that.

    As far as I can tell the issue still has gained very little traction outside of political echochambers and among persons who are constantly plugged into political life. That comprises about 1/2% of the population. So where are your conditions that create traction. Are persons other than the usual actors speaking about it? No.

  44. David Avatar
    David

    @Kahleel

    You are welcome.

    It is too early for you or anyone how far this muck up will penetrate the general population. The old people have a saying one one blow does kill old cow. How this matter weaves with other missteps to follow, we will have to wait and see,.

    By the way, you earned the aggrandizement giving your prime time billing at Jubilee.

    >

  45. Khaleel Kothdiwala Avatar
    Khaleel Kothdiwala

    @ David

    Get real! One one blow does indeed kill an old cow, however this issue has entered the public consciousness at time when no one is paying the slightest attention. I see how some might want to lump it with other actions and mistakenly extrapolate a “reality” that does not exist. The narrative of a tired government just making misstep after misstep does not work 2 years into a parliamentary term of historic composition (1986 had significantly higher turnout but a significantly closer proportion of votes). That message only swings in 1974 when a government after 13 years in office seeks to enact constitutional amendments which attack separation of powers. And before you tell me, yes I am very disappointed that after joining civil society is protesting it, the subsequent Adams Administration did not reveal it. Indeed no subsequent administration repealed it but has often used it to full effect unfortunately. It works in 76 when Adams can paint a convincing picture of widespread corruption using the motif of cheques after 15 years in office. Or in 07/08 after roughly 14 years in office and a few well played-up foul-ups with that housing project up north (can’t remember where presently), Greenland etc. Of course Greenland happened sometime before but was only effective years after to prove a wider case.

    The point is David at this point in time, I don’t think any political strategists ought to be concerned about such a caricature being created at this point. Give it 15 years at least. Not to mention that such a characterisation at this stage would be patently false.

    David, if I remember correctly there were a number of persons across society brought together at that event in Jubilee Gardens, men of the cloth, civil society reps, doctors, a disability activist etc etc. Indeed the march which preceded the rally asked persons to wear white and the large gathering there included many persons of independent mind and not merely a BLP crowd. My “prime time billing” (I really don’t deserve these kind compliments) just like many other speakers does not negate my sentiments. I criticise the BLP frequently when they’re wrong and commend them when they do the right thing. I don’t subscribe to the blind following of yardfowlism. So you really must have mistaken me for someone else.

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    Khaleel Kothdiwala

    BTW, a good try by the Dems to jump on the bandwagon and Sen Franklyn is doing well to prolong the issue. But as I continue to point out, no one is listening.

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    Miller

    @ Khaleel Kothdiwala May 13, 2020 1:38 PM

    You and your political red masters are beginning to sound and behave just like the previous lot of uppity arrogant fools.

    Remember the former kingpin Lord Fumble’s attitude towards the credit rating downgrades?

    Your Bajan brand of “powful-foolishness” will soon get you lot into a woodpile of trouble.

    Next time you would be telling the goodly senator to strip naked and run down Broad Street to catch the Covid. That might just get him a pick on the Covid council for economic recovery.

    Instead of focussing on the patriotic Senator don’t you think it’s time you pay serious heed to what Pro. Sir Hilary Beckles portends for the region especially countries like Bim with its 80 % forex dependency for survival?

    Or do you think he is just another pompous nutcase preaching doom and gloom like our own BU Prophet Pieces wearing his tin foil hat?

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    Enuff

    Miller
    Money? $114,000 per year (or $12,000 if they decide not to keep the current complement of ACPs) is too much to pay for a more efficent police service? Whether short or verbose, still a lotta RH! No evidence to support the grandiose ideas spat out ad nauseam.

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    Miller

    @ Enuff May 13, 2020 2:18 PM

    Don’t forget to use that same argument when the time comes to cut people from the public sector payroll before the end of the year.

    Is this the same hypocritical “enuff” who cussed blind ‘red’ the last administration for returning the10 % to the politicians with Donville arguing vehemently that he had bills to pay?

    Now deny that you were not supportive of the previous administration overfeeding from pre-Bert hog trough and let Artax research your lying backside.

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    Khaleel Kothdiwala

    @ Millsy May 13, 2020 2:06 PM

    Is there a point buried somewhere in there? There is quite a distinction between Froon’s arrogance of disregarding the people of this country and my assertion that the people of the country aren’t listening. Aren’t you guilty of much the same thing as Stuart when you seek to tell the intelligent, adult people in this country what they ought to believe? Is there not a certain arrogance implicit in that? I would have loved to see the Dems be mature enough to admit they made a mistake. This administration with all of its fault which I have gone on record criticising is mature enough to admit when they err as all men do. You ought to do the same dear Millsy as well as engaging with substance.

    Once again, it bodes well for our democracy.

    Enuff makes a fantastic and lucid point as usual. It’s probably too much to ask you to engage but alas I will give you the benefit of the doubt my dear Millsy

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