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tourofstjohnpolyclinicBarring any unforeseen circumstances, the St. John Polyclinic should be set to open its doors to the public come June, this year. So says Minister of Health, John Boyce, who toured the 27,000 square-foot multi-purpose facility yesterday with officials from the Ministry of Health. Mr. Boyce said he was happy with the progress so far and was pleased with the co-ordination between architects Michael Lashley Architects Limited, Ministry officials and a team of public health nurses, who were also on the tour.

April 4th, 2013 – BGIS Press

The million dollar question of recent is, what is holding up the opening of the St. John Polyclinic? Slated then to open in June 2013, this will now make the third aborted attempt at opening the place.

Can the Democratic Labor Party then make idle boast that St. John is their crown jewel given the present and past lackadaisical attention being paid to the parish? Why it is a known indisputable fact that St.John is the most under developed parish on the island. Being a strong hold seat of the DLP for decades and nesting home of the late EWB and David Thompson, why are we finding this strange?

Residents of the parish can make ample boast that there is no bank, no major supermarket, no fast food outlets, one major secondary school and now no health clinic to-date. Again why are we not finding this strange. Talk about unperturbed representation.

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79 responses to “The St. John Deliberations”

  1. Bag Juice Avatar
    Bag Juice

    Money scarc………e. Almond is purportedly being bought, but I know government will have to pay upfront to the Trinis, ——junk bond status, cannot borrow on the international market, public servants about to be sent home——- Foreign exchange running dangerously low. The SHIT……..E hitting the fan.

    This is a good time to open the high-tech facility so that the graduates out of UWI medical school can have somewhere to do their internship.

  2. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    Napoleon

    Why are you complaining? The people of St. John obviously like it so. They need none of these developments to make them happy. Why do you think that they want to join the rest of us in the 21st century?

    The people of St. John are different from the rest of us. After all, from my understanding of the Constitution, they have elected a person who is not qualified to be elected to the House of Assembly to represent them. They are just different.

  3. David Avatar
    David

    @Caswell

    Please cite that part of the Constitution to support your comment.

  4. nellie Avatar
    nellie

    Now where did I see that the medical graduates ARE at the QEH?

  5. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    David

    Section 44 (1) says in part:

    No person shall be qualified to be elected as a member of the House of Assembly who

    (a) is, by virtue of his own act, under any acknowledgement of allegiance, obedience or adherence to a foreign Power or State.

    In an Australian election petition, the court ruled that Britain was a foreign state. If Britain is a foreign power for Australia, I conclude that St. Lucia is a foreign state in relation to Barbados.

  6. David Avatar
    David

    @Caswell

    Therefore can you say she has not surrendered her St.Lucia passport?

  7. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    As far as I know, she had not done so prior to nomination day.

  8. David Avatar
    David

    @Caswell

    Don’t mean to grill you BUT why would the Opposition not seek redress in our Courts to uphold the Constitution by your interpretation?

  9. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    FRIENDSHIP! They only pretend to be enemies.

  10. David Avatar
    David

    That is from a political dimension but there is nothing to stop John Citizen from bringing this matter.

  11. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    David

    You know anyone in St. John with the guts?

  12. David Avatar
    David

    @Caswell

    Are you suggesting that any Barbadian who feels offended by any breach in the constitution cannot challenge it in court?

  13. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    No David, I am not suggesting that at all. I am saying that most Barbadians are paralysed by fear, and will not do the right thing.

  14. The Dummy @ Dumo Avatar
    The Dummy @ Dumo

    Caswell

    On behalf of the fearful one, why do you bring an action in the High Court against Mrs Thompson?

  15. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    @Caswell and David,
    I know nothing about the details of this matter, but can “birth” be considered one’s own act? Or are you saying she has sworn allegiance to a “foreign” power by also having the passport of that country?

  16. David Avatar
    David

    @The Dummy

    Is it not ironic0we ask Caswell to challenge when this tailor-made for the BLP?

  17. Confused !!! Avatar
    Confused !!!

    @ Caswell Franklyn.
    Do you understand the meaning of the phrase ” by virtue of his own act ” ? Did she CHOOSE to be a citizen of another country ?

  18. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    Further, if she is a citizen of Barbados, she would seem to be qualified under section 43.

  19. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    @David,

    Not just anyone can bring a constitutional action for a breach of its provisions. There must be what the lawyers call “locus standi”.

  20. CHAUCER Avatar
    CHAUCER

    @Jeff
    You are correct on this issue ” by virtue of his on act ”
    This matter was recently consider in Jamaica

  21. David Avatar
    David

    @Caswell

    There you go, BU has created a learning moment. Chaucer are you able to post a link for the Jamaica matter?

  22. The Dummy @ Dumo Avatar
    The Dummy @ Dumo

    Caswell the standpipe lawyer wrong again. A little knowledge of the law is a dangerous thing, especially for the idiots who take their advice.

  23. islandgal246 Avatar
    islandgal246

    “No David, I am not suggesting that at all. I am saying that most Barbadians are paralysed by fear, and will not do the right thing.”

    So if Mara is ineligible to be elected and was elected, then I can also say that her late English born husband was also ineligible? Caswell you are a dangerous rabble rouser or someone who speaks with a forked tongue. Man you have shown the signs of a true dictator and I hope that you NEVER run for office and get elected.

  24. Bag Juice Avatar
    Bag Juice

    @ mr.jeff cumberbatch, please make reference to Abraham Dabdoub vs Daryl Vaz [2008] . This is what chaucer is referring to.

  25. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    “The million dollar question of recent is, what is holding up the opening of the St. John Polyclinic? Slated then to open in June 2013, this will now make the third aborted attempt at opening the place.”

    Even if this administration manages to carry on with the optics and charade by completing the physical construction of the facility/complex the outfitting of the polyclinic and its actual day-to-day operations are certainly not on the cards.

    Unless one accepts that it will take only $227,245 to run a polyclinic as approved in the 2013-2014 Estimates of Expenditure.

    That polyclinic will remain for the time being just an empty mausoleum in memory of the dead king.
    As long as the CLICO mess remains unresolved everything associated with him will turn to fool’s gold. Clean up CLICO and punish those responsible and the country will witness the arrival of a brighter new dawn of a financial day.

  26. ac Avatar
    ac

    Rat,s a.ssss caswell u modernday legal gangsta who is the myopic idiot now. ……LOL

  27. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    http://lival.co/documents/cases/Dabdoub%20Abraham%20v%20Daryl%20Vaz%20Carlton%20Harris%20%20A%20G%20%20SCCA%20No%2045%20%2047%20of%202008%20%20March%2013%202009.pdf

    @ BU,

    I have tried to post the link.

  28. David Avatar
    David

    Why do we like to rag people like Caswell who is always willing to back the courage of his convictions by putting it on the line and using his name to boot? He like anyone of us will get it wrong sometimes or like others is not afraid to challenge precedent. We need to challenge the issues like Jeff and others are prepared to and move on.

  29. ac Avatar
    ac

    Cawell is agrown man he can tek the licks…..

  30. old onion bags Avatar
    old onion bags

    But looka hay…..in here very hott tis morning…..wanna din hear a storm comin…..Man this thing sound serious doa…..I ent nah lawyer but from my radio dat always pun Starcom 929 ( for good reason), this ting been a real bassa bassa in Jamaica n D odder Caribbean of lately…this thing bout dual citizenry and surrendering ones passport to stay in Parliament ah mean ….but again I is just a lowly blowgoat fisherman and wilts picker…

    But supposing Caswell point is valid…..what does this mean fa dis guvverment? Looka I gine and fry these two sea cats and eatum wid bread a salt bread while wunna legal eagles sort tis one out…..

    .Man Caswell ya sharp indeed….like a ole time Mustard hook ya ..Hey Hey….

  31. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ ac | July 8, 2013 at 8:55 AM |
    “Cawell is a grown man he can tek the licks…”

    You would know about taking licks. You are now a ‘licks-proof’ expert on beating dead horses.

    So when are the ‘godly’ long suffering most DLP loyal people of St. John going to get this new polyclinic up and running?

    Didn’t the liar Donville Inniss promised it would have been ready since December 2012? Where is the money coming from to outfit it or finance its unbudgeted expenditures or would this project be part of the $400 million casualty? Can we really be soon seeing a repeat of its fate in the 1991/92 Sandi/Thompson soap opera of financial lies and mismanagement?

  32. ac Avatar
    ac

    Miller what u worrying bout the poly clinic and donville fuh. tosay the least there would be a pollyclinic when compared to the nutting the BLP did fuh ST.John fartherless a promise

  33. old onion bags Avatar
    old onion bags

    How D ask some people could operate without a supermarket and living about 10 miles from Bridgetown?…and for so long….Not even a Cheffete or a lil Kenturkey …in case the madam cuss ya out and you need something in a rush….You would have to head to St.George….Salters to be exact..the nearest fast food outlet …or Six Roads St.Philip…..MURDA

  34. old onion bags Avatar
    old onion bags

    Wait Bushy from St.John….right?…figures….I can tekk such backwardness…

  35. David Avatar
    David

    @Onions

    And to think all those years of BLP rule – 14 to be exact – and nothing. We keep coming full circle don’t we?

  36. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ ac | July 8, 2013 at 9:28 AM |

    The miller is worried about the LIES & DECEIT made to the people of St. John.
    How come there is nothing in this year’s Estimates for the opening, outfitting and or running of the polyclinic if the DLP had plans of opening this facility? Explain that!
    The BLP has done more for St. John than the DLP has done for that parish that has been so foolishly loyal to it. Just ask “Negroman”.

    Even Leroy Parris is from St. John, is he going to return the money to the St. John policyholders?

    @ JUST ASKING: Come and deal with this ac “johnny” do!

  37. ac Avatar
    ac

    Me from ST.JOHN too and i have seen dem measly mout Politicians talking about fixing the road fuh many years .they gone and it is only reently i see some thing being done on my street

  38. GreenMonkey Avatar
    GreenMonkey

    in case the madam cuss ya out and you need something in a rush….You would have to head to St.George….Salters to be exact..the nearest fast food outlet …or Six Roads St.Philip…..MURDA

    Wait, they ain’ even got a single rum shop lef in Sin John that a body could buy a ham cutter or a bread an two?.

  39. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ ac | July 8, 2013 at 10:09 AM |

    And on whom does that reflect? With a DLP representative in the House of Assembly for over 50 years and under 4 turns of DLP government and having two PM’s as their representative who is to blame for this dereliction?
    The BLP? Who do you think built or refurbished the roads in that parish during the periods1976 to 1986 and 1995 to 2007?

    Why are you avoiding like plague buried in lead coffins under Hackleton Cliff the matter of financing the polyclinic?

  40. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    Nobody don’t mind Old Onions….. At least St John fishermen does catch real real fish – and not sneak into the market early on mornings with a $10…..

    Wunna people continue to FAIL to appreciate the value of Caswell…. Of course he does get stuff wrong …..who doesn’t…!?! Wuh how many bushmen wunna think dey could have in little Barbados…? 🙂

    …but he is fearless and persistent and focused on what is right (with a few notable exceptions of course – such as anything to do with a certain former CJ, or with anyone who put some licks in his tail in the past…. Like Jeff B, Sir Roy, The NUPW brass and more recently, Amused…etc… LOL Ha Ha …after all he is only human….)

    Wunna try and leave Caswell. AT LEAST WE ARE ALL NOW EDUCATED…..and the ones that know that they are doing shiite done know that they time for questions will come from Caswell…..will THEY have answers…..?

    @ Baffy
    Bushie’s focus is Galactic….. 🙂
    BBE’s playground.

  41. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    Bushie

    I got a call this morning telling me that I was right about Mara but for the wrong reason. I cannot verify this but I was told that she also acquired citizenship of Britain by reason that she was married to a person who was born there. If this is true, my original post might have some merit.

    Oh by the way Jeff, your comment about Mara being qualified under section 43 was not helpful because that section starts out by saying:

    “Subject to the provisions of section 44, …”

    Please don’t rush out in defence of your party and leave glaring holes in your submissions.

  42. Palgrave Court Avatar
    Palgrave Court

    Caswell
    I like your staged climb down put the fact is you are wrong, WRONG, WRONG. Don’t you think if there was any merit whatsoever in your legal position, it would have been pursued by those who stand to benefit, the BARBADOS LABOUR PARTY?

  43. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    I shall ignore your snide reference to my political allegiance, Caswell, but if you should admit that Mrs Thompson is qualified under section 43, your point still has to be made that she is disqualified by section 44. Are you saying now that by marrying the national of a country one comes under allegiance to that country by his or her “own act”? Shouldn’t one need to do more?

  44. Palgrave Court Avatar
    Palgrave Court

    Jeff

    You wasting your time with Caswell? Have you not noticed the ease with which Caswell changes the ‘facts’ and assumptions upon which he relies so as to suit his declared legal position?
    he may in fact know a bit about law but nothing more than that.

  45. islandgal246 Avatar
    islandgal246

    A Bush and cutlass lawyer he is.

  46. Bag Juice Avatar
    Bag Juice

    @nellie, The graduates were eventually placed in the QEH after coming to public with the issue, and so to save face, they they were placed at that institution. For the future, however, the opening of the polyclinic in st. john will help to take the burden off the QEH because it will be so well equipped and properly staffed that the entire Barbados will want to go there for first class treatment.

  47. ac Avatar
    ac

    sigh ……Caswelll a bowl if contention and contradictiion. . his version of the constitution was interpreted by Donald DUCk…that!s all Folks.

  48. Yagga Rowe Avatar
    Yagga Rowe

    St. John ?
    whey dah ?
    neva herd of it
    who live dey ?
    who come from dey ?

  49. Polly wants a Pit Bull Avatar
    Polly wants a Pit Bull

    I am from St.John too ac……we may be neighbours too, given your concerns. At least the representative can now see to it that they repair our roads which are in an awful state. I am in no hurrry for fast food though, but the young people are growing restless when it comes to that department. Word to the wise GET ONE.We deserve more

  50. ac Avatar
    ac

    The last administration calledthemselves fixing the road trowing some gravel together mix wid a little cement a nd covered it with tar only to find out that when it rain too much th road cracked amd that,s how de BLP call fixing road I went down the street de other day and i saw some repair going on i hollered to remind the fellows not to use marl and sand and tar cause it not going last when it rain.

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