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brotherskeptapartFellow blogger Weighed in the Balance has undertaken the ambitious and highly risky task of writing a book which as he terms it “is a comparative analysis of the Bible and the Qur’an, and it assumes that both books are correct.  If God is the principal author of each book, as Christians and Muslims claim, then a comparative analysis should reveal harmony between the principal teachings of both.  This is what I have found.  Hence, Christians and Muslims have been kept apart by their religious leaders who have taught their adherents that God has rejected the other group.” The topic matter was thought to be so contentious that he originally penned his book using a pseudonym.

Phillip’s book is titled Brothers Kept Apart and can be purchased on Amazon.com at a reasonable price. Some members of the BU family have already demonstrated that they are students of the religions. Brother Phillips advises that the book represents 30 years of research and 7 years of critical review and he stands ready to defend his thesis.

It is no secret that the BU household has demonstrated a keen interest in the religions or what some people disparagingly refer to as dogmas. It is a fascinating subject and one which is shrouded in mystery, allegories, parables, fables and some theology  Religion has been used through the ages to edify and destroy man’s existence. Of interest to all through the ages has been the cooption of  religion to pit Islam versus Christianity, East versus West by geo-political motivated groups.

For a synopsis of the book the BU family is welcomed to visit Phillips’s blog. We look forward to a fascinating discussion and take the opportunity to wish him every success.

What he has attempted demonstrates courage of conviction, a characteristic in scarce supply.

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1,124 responses to “The Bible And The Qur'an, Brothers Kept Apart”

  1. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    ROK writes :

    “That is how dangerous christianity is. It will allow the destruction of people under the guise of doing god’s work.”

    —-

    We have a lot of examples of this.

    Belief is not dangerous.

    It is those who claim to know the mind of god who can be very dangerous.

  2. BAFBFP Avatar
    BAFBFP

    GP
    Yah got me cracking up!

    MME
    If one claims that something is designed then you insinuate that there is a purpose. How can you possibly prove or know the purpose? You cannot speak of a design without knowledge of a reason.. Anyone who can speak to this reason is tripping. “claiming to know the mind of God is a form of hubris. The Bible makes it clear (for example, Job 37:5, Eccl. 11:5, Is. 55:8) that we can’t understand God’s ways.”

  3. Rohan Avatar
    Rohan

    ROK,
    I think you’re right. The next time someone tells me that christianity does no harm, I will point them to this thread.

    I mean I just posted, text after text of the most vile actions imaginable and our loving, caring, christian has “no problem with those passages”.

    I mean what more can I say?

  4. Straight talk Avatar
    Straight talk

    No need to say any more Rohan.

    Plato had all these power mongers sussed.

    “The people have always some champion
    whom they set over them and nurse into greatness…
    This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs,
    when he first appears he is a protector.”

  5. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    @ Sir Bentwood

    “I say, that none of you, no one out there, can tell anyone else what is truth, or not. Full stop.”

    That is the exact point. Therefore, don’t let belief cloud any opportunity to get closer to the truth. Note that I make a clear distinction in ontological terms between belief and assumption.

    While both may seem the same, belief in this sense is more about holding a permanent unshakable position, while assumption acknowledges that there is temporary status which can be shaken at any time.

  6. Grenville Avatar
    Grenville

    Hi Not Saved:

    The subject of the verses that you quoted was the Jews’ poor behaviour. It was a response about the Jews’ boast about killing Jesus. The verse notes that they (the Jews) neither crucified nor killed Him. However, it may have appeared so to them since they delivered Him to the Romans who did the deed. The Qur’an then states that God raised Him. This interpretation is in harmony with the Biblical account and the rest of the Qur’an.

    Regards,
    Grenville

  7. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    No, I dont think the ‘doubt’ referred to here means doubt about who did it but rather doubt that he was killed at all.

    In any case, you can reconcile of course if you take your view, a view different to muslim scholars, but that is now your task to convince them.

    Good luck.

  8. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    @Not Saved

    “Belief is not dangerous….”

    I hope you understand that I was not talking about belief per se but Christianity in particular.

    @BAFBFP

    “The Bible makes it clear (for example, Job 37:5, Eccl. 11:5, Is. 55:8) that we can’t understand God’s ways.””

    Yet Christians would want to put human face and emotion to god. This is a serious contradiction. I don’t think they understand that putting a human expression to god, defeats their own beliefs and places more authenticity in the observation that their god is a mortal being; an astronaut.

    Even with such damning evidence and their clear utterances which clearly renders their god as mortals, they are too blind to see; right up under their noses. They will give you an explanation too as to why they could do that.

  9. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    Christianity is at the very foundation of modern Western values.

    There was a time, when all of the world’s civilizations tolerated slavery and bonded labour… from the ancient civilizations of Sumer and continuing in some cultures to this very day.

    We can find lots of cultures and religions to blame… they were all guilty of this crime at some point in time. But the FIRST organised movement in ALL of recorded human history to call for the abolishment of human slavery was Christianity (Google the Quakers, William Wilberforce, Pius II’s “magnum scelus”). The moral repugnance we experience when we read those verses Rohan presented, is distinctly Christian in origin.

    Indeed, modern science, democratic governance and western moral values are all products of Christianity.

    Rohan, you can’t have your cake and eat it too… you see that moral compass you are using as your guide? Whether you like it or not, it is a product of the Christian movement… without which your arguments would be baseless and you would be dispiritedly lost. 🙂

  10. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Rohan

    I know that I am despicable. OK.
    But I think I put the emphasis on the more important passages when I study. I am sure you dont like the passages that I prefer.

    I will quote one that I memorized as a teen and that I love.

    I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

    This is what is relevant to me.

  11. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    David, a post is seemingly stuck (must be a god after all)

  12. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Not Saved
    The issues to which Rohan refers from the OT occurred well over 1000 years BC. The OT canon was completed and the Hebrew Bible was available in Greek & Latin before Jesus came to earth.

    So I am a bit confused about your statement below :-

    It is the absence of condemnation of practices acceptable in the 1st century that points strongly to 1st century authorship rather than divine authorship.

    BAFBFP

    Who am I to argue with God, when he determined how the Canaanites should be judged?

    God judged Adam & Eve.
    He judged the people of Noah’s day.
    He judged the folk at Babel.
    He judged Egypt at the Sea of Reeds, He judged the Canaanites as promised in Genesis 15. It is noteworthy, that Rahab, the harlot chose not to be a part of this judgement.

    God judged His own people by sending into exile in Assyria & Babylon as predicted in Deuteronomy. At this time, his people were treated no different to that as recorded in the passages that Rohan quotes repeatedly in righteous indignation.

    God judged the Jews again in AD 70 and sent them to wander as predicted, for thier unbelief. They are still being judged, and have suffered all kinds of atrocities. God will continue to judge the Jews right up until the Battle of Armageddon. Preparations for this battle is being made relentlessly even now.

    God will judge the believers at the bema or judgement seat of Christ.

    God will judge the unbelievers at the great white throne judgement at the end of the millenial reign of Christ.

    This is what the Scriptures declare, and this is what I believe, and teach, and seek to explain. I do not stop anyone from believing what they wish to believe, nor do I scoff at any one for thier beliefs.

    Dont I deserve the right to voice my opinion? Am I not rightly dividing the Word of truth as required in 2 Tim 2:15, and seeking to obey 1 Peter 3:15?

  13. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    Straight talk… LOL, man a simple Wikipedia search on Plato will help you to put that quotation in context. He was speaking about humans not the Divine.

    Plato believed in the Divine… in fact, in his ‘Laws’ he held that mankind needed three things for successful survival:

    1. Belief in the Divine
    2. Care for the world
    3. Be incorruptible by men’s gifts or prayers.

    Plato’s concept of the Divine (or what his student Aristotle referred to as the ‘First Cause’ or the ‘One’) he considered to be unknowable and ineffable… in ‘Republic’ he describes it as “a Form of the Good that is beyond being in power and dignity”.

  14. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    Georgie,

    I only meant that bible has books written as late as 1st century without condemnation of these practices.

    Of course I am aware that the OT is much older than the 1st century CE

  15. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    Georgie writes of the jews :

    “They are still being judged, and have suffered all kinds of atrocities”

    —–

    It seems incredible that a perfect god could be so immoral as to “judge” the innocent generations of a “crime” of their ancestors.

    More precisely though, at whose hands have the jews suffered these atrocities?

    Christian writing has been the source of hideous anti-semitism for two thousand years !

  16. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    Yes BAFBFP, the Bible does make it clear that we can’t understand God’s ways… but it also makes it abundantly clear what His purpose for us is (Ephesians 1:3-14)

  17. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    MME writes :

    “Indeed, modern science, democratic governance and western moral values are all products of Christianity.”

    —–

    That is such a gross overstatement that I dont know where to start.

  18. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    Christianity certainly takes its time to produce…….

  19. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    “That is such a gross overstatement that I dont know where to start.”
    ———–

    LOL… understandable. I suspect, had you known where to start, you would have cited various influences from other cultures and ages, but, as much as you may wish it otherwise, Christianity is the crucible from which modern science, modern democracy and the western moral value system have emerged.

    As far as the slavery issue goes, Christianity was the FIRST movement (or moral value system) in human history to denounce slavery as immoral and unacceptable under ALL circumstances.

    Not Saved, are these statements True or False? 🙂

  20. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    “Christianity is the crucible from which modern science, modern democracy and the western moral value system have emerged.”

    —-

    True.

    But christianity was with us for about 1600 years before a little something known as the enlightenment came along and that was an enormous influence on science, democracy and moral values.

    Within the movement we should not discount the contribution of many non christians such as Paine, Hume, Adam Smith, Spinoza to name only a few that come to mind.

    “Christianity was the FIRST movement (or moral value system) in human history to denounce slavery as immoral”

    Partly true.

    It cannot be discounted the value of enlightenment thinking (which had christians and non christians as its members) on christianity itself.

    Christianity alone is not an adequate explanation for the very recent growth in these areas.

    It is more complex that that.

  21. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    “Christianity certainly takes its time to produce…….”
    ————-

    Yes Not Saved… that is how evolution works… over time or ‘ages’… or what GP and Zoe duz call ‘dispensations’.

  22. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    It cannot also be discounted how many christians were on the wrong side of slavery.

    And to what did they owe their certainty? a little inerrant book they call the bible.

  23. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    @MME

    “that is how evolution works… over time or ‘ages’… or what GP and Zoe duz call ‘dispensations’.”

    No MME. Two different things. Dispensations are periods of rule As the Godhead changes hands. Much like we change Prime Ministers. I believe that Jahweh was the first god in the encounter. By the time of Christ, the Godhead had changed several times. Each dispensation is marked by the character and leadership style of the god in power.

  24. Deng Xiaping Avatar
    Deng Xiaping

    Someone wrote that “Indeed, modern science, democratic governance and western moral values are all products of Christianity.”

    Really? This is an intellectual sleight of hand. I note that while these ideas were developed in Christian societies, their roots lie in other societies as well. The work of Islamic scientists and mathematicians underpin many of our scientific ideas.

    * These ideas were vigorously opposed by the proponents of the prevailing Christian doctrines, (the stories of Galileo, Paine, Wilberforce, Darwin are of interest)

    * Their development caused the practices of Christianity to change in the main,

    *and a have led to a questioning of the claims of Christianity itself.

    Further there are fundamentalists (represented by some posters on this site) who are fighting a rear guard action to reverse these advances.

    All this points to Christianity being very human in origin and direction.

    It may be more accurate to say that the Christianity we see today is the product of modern science, democratic governance and western moral values.

  25. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    Not Saved,

    Lets examine those examples from the ‘Enlightenment’…

    Paine = Desist… he believed in the existence of a God on the basis of reason. Deists reject organized religion, but ironically, their value system is inherited from religion i.e. God gave men reason, God created and governs the universe, God wants humans to behave morally, humans have souls that survive death. He was the son of a Quaker and an Anglican, and some historical accounts indicate that he preached as a Methodist at one point in his life.

    Hume = Agnostic? Don’t know for certain (debated by scholars), but seemed to lean toward the views of his character Philo in ‘Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion’. He was raised and educated in a Scottish Presbyterian environment.

    Smith = Deist, like Paine. Studied moral philosophy at Oxford university.

    Spinoza = Pantheist… he believed in a living natural ‘God’. For him God was an ‘infinite substance’… this was Einstein’s view also. He grew up in the orthodix Jewish tradition but his family was forcibly converted to Roman Catholicism during the inquisition.

    They may all have despised the religious ‘trappings’ of Christianity, but ironically their philosophies were significantly influenced by the moral and ethical principles embedded in the Judeo-Christian education they received. Those principles were the foundation of their ‘enlightened’ philosophies.

  26. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    To clarify my comment on ‘dispensations’… and I know this will bring attacks from the other side… what I meant was that GP uses dispensationalism to explain what in my opinion represents the evolution of a religion.

  27. BAFBFP Avatar
    BAFBFP

    Well done anonamous

  28. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    Someone wrote “These ideas were vigorously opposed by the proponents of the prevailing Christian doctrines, (the stories of Galileo, Paine, Wilberforce, Darwin are of interest)”

    LOL… Resistance to change is a natural human trait and can be found in EVERY human society regardless of creed or race. This is not unique to Christian religions… new ideas, particularly if they challenge conventional thinking are always resisted.

    But I agree with Anonymous, Christians should be held up to a higher standard. 🙂

    As for the comment regarding the work of Muslim scientists and mathematicians… LOL… I know you have joined this thread late, but I encourage you to read the subject of the thread… your observation is hardly surprising, considering that the principle teachings of the Bible and the Koran are essentially the same.

    Although, it is worthy of note that the reformation and enlightenment phases experienced by Christian-based societies has been noticeably absent from Islamic societies and other religions/cultures.

    What is it, so uniquely different about the Western value system that would have facilitated an age of enlightenment and why is this absent from other religions/cultures.

  29. BAFBFP Avatar
    BAFBFP

    Anonymous
    So many countries could claim to have done better under Ottoman rule with the establishment of Universities etc. then to have fallen into the hands of Christians and the prejudices and subjugation that came with it.

    By the Way MME
    Little steps please. About the “beetles designer ass” can you speak of God’s purpose for the way it works? ROK waiting in the wings.

  30. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    Here is one from Emily Dickinson for you Rohan… 🙂

    God made no act without a cause,
    Nor heart without an aim,
    Our inference is premature,
    Our premises to blame.

  31. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    man BAFBFP… I have to take issue with these assignments you giving me. If you had assigned me a different subject to study, like Alison Hinds, I would understand… but your preoccupation with beetles is unsettling.

  32. BAFBFP Avatar
    BAFBFP

    Emily Dickinson is indeed the Artful Dodger

  33. Deng Xiaping Avatar
    Deng Xiaping

    “moral and ethical principles embedded in the Judeo-Christian” – MME

    It would not be a surprise if the majority of the posters on this site had a “Christian” or some other religious upbringing. What is more instructive and interesting are the questions we raise and the conclusions we come to. To suggest the conclusions are somehow Christian ONLY because we started from a Christian experience is worthy only of a believer. Also it is clear to any reasonable observer that most of the fundamental moral and ethical principles are similar and ubiquitous among people regardless of time, geography or religion.

    What was probably unique about the Western world at the time of the Enlightenment (and I am going out on a limb here) was that confluence of scientific development, political upheaval, economic change and expansion, intense competition within and between nation states of relatively equal size and strength and colonial expansion which allowed these ideas to take root and ultimately spread. I think that it was serendipitous for Christianity that this occurred where and when it did as its adherents can now falsely claim ownership of the outputs even though these may contradict past Christian doctrines.

    The crucible out of which these ideas of scientific methodology, liberal democracy and “western” moral values was not just Christianity but the particular social, political, economic and geographic circumstances of 16 th and 17 th century Europe.

  34. confused Avatar
    confused

    @Micro Mock Engineer
    man BAFBFP… I have to take issue with these assignments you giving me. If you had assigned me a different subject to study, like Alison Hinds, I would understand… but your preoccupation with beetles is unsettling.

    ———————————————
    I assume that you are talking about asses here,eh? You want to observe the oscillations that accompany their ambulations and oscillations.

    Do you think that they can be described by the particle in the three dimensional box with translational movement vibrational movement and rotational movement? What sayest thou MME?

  35. Deng Xiaping Avatar
    Deng Xiaping

    Actually I am the author of the last 2 anonymous posts.(i.e @3:02 and @9:22).

    re: “considering that the principle teachings of the Bible and the Koran are essentially the same.” – you aint fraid Zoe and GP?

    btw MME are you in Bdos?

  36. David Avatar
    David

    A BU family member wants to inject the following video for discussion into the debate. There has been much debate about whether Islam has been outpacing Christianity and why. While it is a little digression we hope Brother Grenville appreciates that the amorphous nature of the dogmas makes it important that we discuss religion in its holistic form. We have previously posed the question of the ongoing translation of the dead sea scrolls and the possible impact on religions including Christianity and Islam.

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU]

  37. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    MME

    “GP uses dispensationalism to explain what in my opinion represents the evolution of a religion.”

    Sorry MME, I really could not resist pointing out what the dispensations are. You are correct in your analogy. My apologies for using your post so calculatedly.

  38. Rohan Avatar
    Rohan

    MME worte:

    As far as the slavery issue goes, Christianity was the FIRST movement (or moral value system) in human history to denounce slavery as immoral and unacceptable under ALL circumstances
    ******
    Wow, we have a christian saying that slavery is immoral and unacceptable under ALL circumstances!

    So Christians answer this please:

    Why didn’t God know this? How could something so blatantly immoral be actively promoted and endorsed by a creature that loves all his “creation”?

    So has God now changed his mind on slavery?

    What if he still endorses slavery? He never came out and said he changed his mind so your saying that slavery is immoral may be the antithesis of his thought on this matter.

    And if he did change his mind? Does a perfect God, with perfect foresight, make such a huge mistake as this?

    Contradiction after contradiction, unless of course the bible was written by men.

  39. BAFBFP Avatar
    BAFBFP

    Chinee

    You have said a mouthful. Christians have a way of taking credit for the good things and events. Man William Wilberforce and the rest had to fight Christians for them to see the light and thankfully they did something, however small, to show some movement just before he died.

    I wonder, how much of this Western thingy that they speak of was in fact borrowed from the East (compliments the likes of Marco Polo) and the South and the Ottomans?

    MME

    You are indeed the Artful Dodger. Please do not answer Chinee’s question.

  40. BAFBFP Avatar
    BAFBFP

    David
    Well the shoe is now on the other foot. Wonder what the Aboriginal population of the world would think of this video?

    Now we see a sinister fundamental reason for the framing of the Muslim face in this so called “War on Terror”. My God what propaganda..!

  41. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    Hi David,

    I hope that people will not see this as any doom or gloom. Indeed there was a time when Christianity soared to take over the world as the Muslims are said to be doing now.

    This is entirely expected. If it was not Muslim it may have been another religion mostly because the paradigm under which Christianity thrived is unjust. Not that Islam may be any more just, but may be seen as a less unjust alternative to Christianity.

    Remember the posts of the African Queen (can’t remember her exact title) in several threads on BU, who kept saying that we need to learn our history? This is certainly an indication that Christianity left not only a void, but demonised Africans, stripping them of their identity and rendering them as lost. How long do you think that would survive.

    I remember speaking to a young Muslim lady who assured me that she would never revert to Christianity. She said that women had more status under Islam.

    Most unjust is that Christianity delvers the wealth to what we term the imperialists and leave the masses of the population in poverty and suffering. Of course it is like changing Governments. It is not a question of getting the best representation as it is merely choosing an alternative to what exist in the hope that performance will be better; the lesser of the evils for the time.

    It would certainly be interesting to see how the Muslims perform, but you can be sure that the world will become dissatisfied with them in the long run too, as they are doing with Christianity. That is because religion in itself is designed to deliver injustice and allow a few to eat off the heads of the most.

    MME now has further data to add to his evolution of religion. Maybe the title could be changed to “The Promise and Performance” of religions.

    In the end, religion will not continue to fool the masses. It is all politics and that is why we can talk about the “Promise and Performance” of religion. Just all politics! Corned beef and biscuits!

  42. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    MME,

    As I said they were all non christians, believers and non believers alike but the enlightenment movement was given a huge contribution by non christians.

    You may want to credit their enlightenment thinking to “christian values” but it is a tenuous claim and the cold fact remains that christianity needed the enlightenment, christianity alone was not enough.

    Can you tell me what moral values are unique and exclusive to the christian religion?

  43. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    MME wrote :

    “Those [christian] principles were the foundation of their ‘enlightened’ philosophies.”

    —–

    Yes and those “christian” principles were around for about 1600 hundred years before suddenly they were enlightening to those who held them.

    It is always amusing to christianity try take credit for any and everything good. (and no blame or anything bad)

    golden rule – christian !
    thou shall not kill – christian !
    morals – christian !
    democracy – christian !
    modern science – christian !

    earthquake kills hundreds of thousands but one child survives – Miracle !

    skilled glider pilot lands crippled plane in river – Miracle !

  44. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    MME,

    Dont get me wrong.

    It is instructive that the enlightenment was able to flourish under Judeo/christianity and has or cannot under Islam.

    If your point is that somehow this makes judaism/christianity “superior”, in some sense, you have a point.

    A religion that allows freethinking to flourish must necessarily, to a non believer to me, be ‘superior’ to one that is suppressive.

    However, none of this makes it true.

    It just makes one less oppressive than the other.

  45. BAFBFP Avatar
    BAFBFP

    NS

    Enlightenment flourished “after” the separation of Church and State. Please do not give credit when none is due.

  46. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    Enlightenment thinking drove the separation

    There is no hard starting point of the enlightenment but the French revolution is a pivotal date

  47. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    All hell will brek loose now, but I will say this nevertheless with respect to the video that David has posted.

    Serious students of the doctrine of the second coming of Christ (Eschatology) believe on the basis of the teachings in Ezekiel and Revelation 19, that Jesus will return visibly at the Epiphany or Glorious Appearing to defeat the enemies of the Jews at the Battle of Armageddon.

    Currently, there is much annimosity against Israel in the world and at the UN. However, their immediate enemies do not yet seem capable of obliterating them as they seek to do.

    The Ezekiel prophecies call fo armies to descend on Jerusalem from the North, South, East & West. I find it very interesting that there is a greater increase in the population of Muslims in all of these directions relative to the location of Israel, and see this relative rise in population as a major precursor in the preparation of forces that is come against Israel according to the relevant prophecies.

    Of course you all can now debunk my deductions as you wish; but this is what the information in this video means to me. I sit back now in the hope of enjoying some ranting and raving. Please do not dissapoint!

  48. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    NS

    I thought that separation of Church & State begun in 313 Ad with Constantine, who was definitely not a believer, but a politician.

  49. Barracuda Avatar
    Barracuda

    Rohan wrote: “So when the bible SAYS the earth is 6,000 years old, when we KNOW it to be BILLIONS of years old, you find some way to get around that” [emphasis mine].

    Ah, Rohan, chapter and verse please! Where does the Bible say that the earth is 6000 years old? Which chapter, which verse? Thought so! It DOESN’T! NOWHERE!

    “We know it to be BILLIONS of years old.” WE do, do WE? How do WE know that? Fossil records? Carbon dating? Empirical science? Or maybe you’re just a parrot, repeating a theory you heard from someone else?

    The Athenians had a word for someone like you. A “babbler.”

  50. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    Slick move GP…….10 points!!

    One question though(and I am no Bible scholar) ….is the Israel in the Bible, the same as this one in the Middle East.
    This may sound silly but I am working my way up to a few questions.

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