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Submitted by Bush Tea on January 1, 2009

Bush Tea has noted the ominous silence of the BU family on the most recent events in the mid east, where the brilliantly logical Israelis are again employing their often tried tactic of bombing and killing their neighbours into co-operation. Clearly their strategists are banking on the hope that this approach MUST work eventually –especially after decades of failure. (Submitted on January 1, 2009 but was not picked-up by BU, sorry about that Bush Tea – David)

Clearly this is a situation, which has been refined by the US republican party, where in the lead-up to a national election, unpopular governments seek to rally national support for a ‘war’ against some unfortunate common foe –preferably someone who can be labelled a ‘terrorist’.

The Israeli plan is obviously to build up the usual hype, kill a few Hamas ‘terrorist’ – and their collateral family members behind whom they are hiding (in their homes) and wait for the USA to protect them in the UN while a face saving ‘truce’ is negotiated.

The ruling party now confirmed at home and by the USA as ‘strong on terror’ and ‘able to protect the country’ would then be re-elected.

That is the plan. Here is the reality.

The current operation by Israel is going to finally bring the militant Palestinian forces together. (This happened 2 years ago in Lebanon for Hezbollah – but that seem to have been forgotten by Israel – or maybe the incumbent party is REALLY desperate).

This will result in the overthrow –this year- of ALL of the pro-western governments in the region –Egypt, Saudi Arabia…. ALL….

A VERY powerful strongman will then emerge, powered by the unifying force generated by this current (and previous) Israeli action, by the USA’s Iraq debacle, by control of huge oil reserves, access to very sophisticated weapons and an ideology fuelled by revenge and war.

The next New Year will be a very bleak one…. And Israel will pay a HUGE price for this approach to neighbour relations. Where is George Washington when he is needed? Is it not he who said that the best way to destroy your enemies is to make them into your friends????

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474 responses to “Is This The Start Of World War III?”

  1. Straight talk Avatar
    Straight talk

    Carloss;

    At the risk of resorting to “turnspeak”
    what land was ceded to Israel in 1948, and what land do they now “occupy”.

  2. Carlos Avatar
    Carlos

    BTW, HOPI, as GEM of TKI so aptly encouraged and instructed Technician this morning:

    “I would not indulge a flame war, but instead must remind you of the first RULE of HOLES – if you want to get out, STOP DIGGING in DEEPER.”

    But then again, HOPI, you already seem to be over your ‘head’ in the HOLE!

  3. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    Carlos, you can’t deny the last part though:

    “… encourage a particular synthesis, or gives loaded messages in order to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented. The desired result is a change of the cognitive narrative of the subject in the target audience to further a political agenda.”

  4. Straight talk Avatar
    Straight talk

    Carloss:

    You by hitching your wagon to the mega-troll Dictionary, aka Kairosfocus,
    have fatally undermined all credibility.

    This irritant hoping to produce pearls from a paui will never create or even come close to being a GEM of Te Kete Ipurangi.

    Take a leaf out of BFP’s book, ignore the pest and plough your own furrow.

  5. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    Just to show his deception, Dictionary came on this blog with this handle rather than the well known Kairosfocus who we all know his agenda from BFP.

    Talk about propaganda and turnspeak, then again…they are the masters of it.

    The problem is…..we are NOT all SHEEPLE!!

    @ Fool

    Same here, I too live in relative comfort with my neighbors here in Barbados.

    Ready when you are.

  6. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @CARLOSS….You’re, lies & cliches can’t stop me from digging that hole until the enemy of humanity is buried so deep that you can no longer suffer with ‘brown tongue.’

  7. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    The British Colonel was a “hired hand”

    paid to do the interview

    if you think about it, it makes sense

    ex colonels are a dime a dozen

    working now in PR

  8. Carlos Avatar
    Carlos

    ROK: ‘Carlos, you can’t deny the last part though.’

    Certainly, but not for the reason(s) you assume, as it expressly speak to the lying, ‘Turnspeak’ of the Arab terrorists agenda of utter deception, LIES!!

    Straight Talk and Technician; NO, I will NOT take a leaft out of BFP’s book; but will leave you all to wallow and wade through the quagmire and labyrinth of deception, lies, and propaganda, masterful ‘Turnspeak.”

    And to HOPI, its not your feet that’s deep in the HOLE of unspeakable deception, its your head that’s deep, deep down in the HOLE, with your feet firmly planted in ‘midair’ as the proverbial ostrich.

    As The Lord Jesus Christ said:

    “The lamp (light) of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is good, your whole body will be full of light. But, if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of DARKNESS. If therefore, the light that is you is DARKNESS, how great is that DARKNESS.” (Matt. 6:22) emphasis added.

    To choice is yours to remain that way!

  9. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    Either Corloss’ ‘home sweet home’shade needs cleaning or his lamp needs some oil.

  10. Fool Avatar
    Fool

    Hi T, morning. There has been more fighting in Gaza, but it is army/army. Do you think it will expand inwards?

    I would like to open a discussion by stating a core issue and asking whether it is possible: i.e the security of the Jewish people and Israel. The core issue is that Israel wants to be accepted and made safe from attack.

    Before you react saying that Israel is an aggressor, take time to think about this, as it is a bare fact that must be understood. By working towards this issue I think that peace is possible, as was being done at Camp David in the year 2000.

    Busy most of the rest of day.

  11. Carlos Avatar
    Carlos

    BTW Technician & Straight Talk, I will not allow your vacuous, venomous ad hominen against GEM of TKI to go by unanswered.

    First, the depth of your intellectual shallowness, and lack of perspicuity, is exceeded only by your willingness to reveal and continuously demonstrate it, in the face and teeth of the ‘facts’ so assiduously and tellingly presented by GEM of TKI, which simply cannot be soundly refuted by any willing, honest minded person; the proclivity of which you obviously just do not have!

    It is a very sad state of affairs that is pervasive, not only in our homeland, but throughout the world, when people are presented and exposed to facts, that they are unable to perceive ‘Truth’ which by definition is absolute, regardless of who denies its reality.

    GEM of TKI, is one of the most profound, intellectually astute thinkers one could come across in today’s world, which unfortunately is filled to the brim with a host of intellectually depraved people, both in the academic arena, as well as the unacademic.

    It is a privilege for us in the Caribbean, to have been blessed with such an outstanding scholar; but, as God’s Word tells us.

    “A prophet is not without honor except in his own country and in his own house.” (Matt. 13:57b).

    GEM of TKI’s vast knowledge, perception and understanding of this subject, the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, among many other subjects as well, is from many, many long arduous, painstaking years of earnest, diligent, study and research, which is gladly received by others from around the world.

    Therefore, when he speaks, it is done with cogent, valid, compelling, logical coherence, which anyone with a mere tiro of common sense would appreciate.

    But, rather than be willing to learn and understand, you who are just novice in this subject matter, resort to utter diatribe, void of any substance; unable to offer any meaningful input, because, GEM of TKI’s submissions, which are only scratching the surface of information and facts, remain irrefragable; and you know this, hence your virulent attack on his person.

    What a shame that you all are so inept and almost barren of comprehension of facts!

    PRIDE, is a killer, for it prevents many from admitting what they know to so!

    “To say of what is, that it is, or of what is not, that it is not , is true.”
    (Aristotle, Metaphysics).

  12. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    ……the depth of your intellectual shallowness……
    ————————————————–

    Wow…..ammm…is this the same as ..’false facts’

    GEM of TKI, is one of the most profound, intellectually astute thinkers one could come across in today’s world,………which unfortunately is filled to the brim with a host of intellectually depraved people, both in the academic arena, as well as the unacademic.
    ————————————————–

    Now…if it is filled to the ‘brim’….then where does Gem of TKI fit in??

    You need to stop copying and think for yourself sir…you are starting to look stupid, stop playing with words and keep it simple…no need to try to impress the masses.

    If both of you are so well versed on the issue, get off the blogs and go change the world.

    Reading this post, it seems as though, because of the unfavorable response of others, myself included, we are to be dismissed as …..almost barren of comprehension of facts!

    And you want to lecture people about PRIDE???

    Look……tek up ya ball and go home yah!!

    Bun fire pun you!!!

  13. Straight talk Avatar
    Straight talk

    I really do believe that Carloss is indeed the infamous Zionist shill Kairosfocus aka Dictionary.

    I have nothing against Zionists apart from their fundamentalist murderous agenda.

    When they feel less threatened, they can join the real world and we will talk.

    Carloss ,I don’t know where you came from , but it sure ain’t Bim.

    Your empty justifications for terrorism seem to pop up from nowhere each time the IDF expands its theatre of operation.

    Come clean to us bro’. where do you live, and who is paying you for monitoring this blog?

  14. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    Carlos etc,

    Answer the real questions :

    what were the milatary objectives of the incursion?

    what was the risk of civilian casualties?

    was the risk proportionate to the objectives?

    were the objectives achieved?

    what was the actual civilian loss?

    was the civilian loss proportionate to actual objectives achieved?

    It is a WAR CRIME to RISK civilian lives disproportionate to the military objectives.

    And no point crying “human shields”. It is a war crime to kill the “shields” when they are forced to act as such and you and I know very well that there is no choice under Hamas.

    Now you can answer the relevant questions or give us another diatribe about land rights and the Arabs genocidal intentions (and then pat yourself on the back for it)

    A war crime is a war crime no matter who carries it out, and no matter if the other side carries out war crimes

    You belong to the George Bush school of diplomacy. Anyone challenge the policies of the Israeli government and you call them anti semitic or pro Arab. Your logic is poor.

    Israel has a right to exist and a right to defend itself but if it carries our war crimes, it also can expect to be condemned.

  15. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    It is very amusing to watch christians who have been for over a thousand years proponents of the most virulent anti semitism, come in here and defend the every action of Israeli government.

    when you world is deluded by bronze age writings nothing should surprise

  16. Carlos Avatar
    Carlos

    Straight Talk:

    “….I don’t know where you came from, but it sure ain’t Bim.”

    “Come clean to us bro’ – where do you live, and who is paying you for monitoring this blog?”

    ST, I detest deception, liars, and intellectually dishonest people!

    Now, to your questions:

    I AM A BORN and absolutely bred and raised Bajan, from day of birth.

    I have my family tree, dating from the early 1640’s right here in Bim!

    NO ONE is paying me for supposedly monitoring this blog!

    I am not for sale, period!

    It is my labour of love, which I thank Almighty God, and my Saviour and Lord; The Lord Jesus Christ for!

  17. Carlos Avatar
    Carlos

    NOT SAVED:

    Nothing that you say surprises me; as you are not only, ‘NOT SAVED’ but also appear to be hopelessly lost!

  18. Not Saved and Lost Avatar
    Not Saved and Lost

    Yet again I shall quote from a Jewish source,

  19. Not Saved and Lost Avatar
    Not Saved and Lost

    still no answers from Carlos

  20. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    Carlos…….stop the schoolboy, spoiled child whining now….you sound stupid.

    When you started you were full of arrogance and had a dismissive attitude, now you are sulking?

    Get a life and move on man..geeez!!

    You can fool some of the people some of the time……..BUT…….you cant fool all the people all the time !!

  21. Fool Avatar
    Fool

    T, I have made a comment directed to you above, you have done nothing substantive yourself. Unless farting out abusive comments at Carlos can be so descibed. You get on here calling people stupid, spoiled and lots of names. I wonder whether there is someone else around who is a bit more mature to talk to.

    Your coments above are inconsequential, unsubstantive, and you trample pearls into the dirt.

    Are you “Chase” revamped?

    Get with the program!

  22. Galli Cantu Avatar
    Galli Cantu

    Whiel we were busy discussing the Israel /Gaza issue, look what our African bros ,been up to.
    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/horrific-allegations-heard-as-case-against-congolese-rebel-begins-in-the-hague-14157904.html

  23. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    @Carlos
    “I have my family tree, dating from the early 1640’s right here in Bim!”

    How unique? How many Barbadians can claim that. Which boat did your ancestors come on? The boat with the Jews?

  24. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @Galli Cantu…….I know that these weapons are not made in the Congo. Who took em there. I’ll guarantee you that there’s an UNSEEN hand or a master manipulator working behind the scene. I’m looking forward to the day when that continent wakes up and realise that they have ONE common enemy and he does not look like them. Maybe he looks more like YOU. Will the day ever come when the zionists pigs are brought to the Hague or any other court for the decimation of human life in Palestine as well as in Africa? What about the 100s of 1000s of children that go missing every year in the western world esp the US. They are never accounted for. Where do they all go? Why don’t you look into that too and the 1st place you can start looking is at the so-called ELITE those with the illusion of power in this world.

  25. Fool Avatar
    Fool

    Everything bad is the Jews. They are white people and you are special. You brand us as coloists and racists, but in fact it is you. Don’t mind how hard you try we are Semites and we have a line that goes back to Judah. Many of your group too. How did that happen?

    You’re insane.

  26. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    still no answers

  27. Carlos Avatar
    Carlos

    For the benefit of those observers who are interested in the facts, NOT propaganda lies; here are some FACTS on Hamas and their stated agenda vis-a-vis Israel, right from their very own ‘Charter.’

    The Hamas Charter (1988).

    The front cover of The Hamas charter, printed in Qalqilya in 2004. It shows Aheikh Ahmad Yassin, who gave their charter its final form.

    Overview.

    “On January 25, 2006, the day Palestinian Legislative Council elections were held, Dr. Mahmoud al-Zahar, senior Hamas leader in the Gaza Strip and candidate for the post of foreign minister, stated that Hamas was committed to the ideology of its 1988 charter. He noted emphatically that “the movement [would] NOT change a SINGLE WORD in its charter,” which CALLS FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL, and would not become a purely political movement, but quite the opposite, it would continue ots policy of ‘resistance” (i.e., terrorist attacks) (reuters, Gaza, January 25).
    (Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center at the Center for Special Studies (C.S.S).

    “The Hamas charter referred to by Mahamoud al-Zahar was formulated during the first year of the previous round of violent Israeli-Palestinian confrontations (1987-1993). It was edited and approved by Ahmad Yassin, the movement’s founder and leader (who died in a targeted killing in March 2004), and issued on August 19, 1988. It is Hamas’s MOST IMPORTANT IDEOLOGICAL DOCUMENT and as of this writing, copies continue to be circulated in the Palestinian Authority-administered territories. It makes extensive use of Islamic sources (the Qur’an and hadith) to assure its religious Islamic basis.”

    The main points of the Hamas charter:

    “The conflict with Israel is religious and political.”

    “All Palestine is Muslim land and NO ONE has the right to give it up: The land of Palestine is sacred Muslim land and NO ONE, including Arab rulers, has the authority to give up any of it.”

    “The importance of JIHAD (holy war) as tne means for Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) to achieve its goals. An uncompromising JIHAD MUST be waged against Israel and any agreement recognizing its rights to exist MUST BE TOTALLY OPPOSED. Jihad is the personal duty of every Muslim.”

    “The importance of fostering the Islamic consciousness: Must effort be invested fostering and spreading Islamic consciousness by means of education [i.e., religious-political indoctrination] in the spirit of radical Islam, based on the ideology of the Muslim brotherhood.” (Ibid., p 30).

    Hamas’ sole intention, as plainly stated in its official ‘charter’ IS THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL.

    The extent to which they have sought to achieve this, so far, IS to persecute and terrorize Israel and its people however and whenever it is possible, and they will use as they have on many, many occasions, SUICIDE BOMBERS, killing innocent civilians anywhere in Iraseli territory.

    An example of their sinister, wicked, evil agenda against Jews, is highlighted in:

    “The Hamas charter frontpiece, 2004, Qalqilya edition.’

    The inscription reads: “The star shaheed [team] of the [Izzedine] al-Qassam Battalions of the Qaiqilya district”

    A picture of 12 of the young Palestinian Jihadists is below the headline, specifically identifying at the top of the picture, the names of ‘Sucide bomber Sa’id Hutri, who BLEW himseld up at the Dolphinarium Club in Tel Aviv, killing 21 teenagers.

    To his extreme right is a picture of “Abd al-Rahman Hammad, head of the terrorist-operative infrastructure in Qalqilya, who planned and organised the attack.” (Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center at the Center for Special Studies (C.S.S) (p.4).

    Unless people understand the hatred, and INTENT of Hamas, Hezbollah, who are arms of the ‘Muslim Brotherhood’ founded in Egypt, and their religiously based agenda, to exert world dominance over ALL nations, beginning with the DESTRUCTION and ANNIHILATION of the state of Israel and ALL Jews; one will never be able to truly grasp this conflict, and why Israel HAS no choice but to defend her sovereign right to statehood; which they, Hamas, et al., vehemently resist, and deny Israel’s right to.

    Now, this often repeated rhetoric of Israel using ‘disproportionate’ military force against Hamas, is never understood in the context of what Hamas has already done over the years of ‘terrorist’ activity against Israel and her people.

    Yes, between 1,100 and 1,200 people were killed in Israel’s three-week Gaza offensive, 700 terrorist and 250 civilians.

    But, what is NEVER reported or looked at, is the FACT, that Israeli casualties from Palestinian ‘terrorism’ over the past decade or so, are, 842 [ISRAELI) Civilians, and 325 [ISRAELI] soldiers had been killed, a total of 1, 167 fatalities, these are the FACTS, “So where is THE DISPROPORTION” as Israeli Presedent Shimon Peres pointed out on Monday , lashing out at those who decry the so-called disproportionate Palestinian casuality ratio in Operation Cast Lead.

    Talk about ‘turnspeak’ by Hamas and the terrorist aggression against Israel over the years; WHY does the media, here and elsewher, FAIL in giving a balance coverage of the FACTS as there are?

  28. Carlos Avatar
    Carlos

    A bit more FACTUAL information on the ‘truth’ on how Hamas operates within Gaza, which Israeli aerial intelligence photographs gathered over many months, before the conflict began, revealing the full extent to which Hamas and other terrorist organizations EXPLOIT the CIVILIAN population as human shields.

    “Reports from the battlefield showed that frequently, the terrorist fought against the IDF forces FROM WITHIN civilian institutions, mosques and residential dwellings. The sites were used for launching rockets, as posts and military positions. Many oublic institutions and buildings served as weapons storehouses, and many buildings and roads were booby-trapped with IEDs and mines.”

    “The photographs show how Hamas turned ENTIRE CIVILIAN NEIGHBORHOODS, in cluding houses, mosques, schools, hospitals and UN facilities, into quasi-military compounds from which it waged combat against the IDF. By doing so Hamas made it difficult for the IDF to operate, and inevitably caused loss of life and property damage to innocent civilians.”

    “The densely-populated Tel al-Zaatar neighborhood is located in the Northern Gaza Strip. It is home to a number of schools and mosques, a medical center and several UN facilities.”

    “The aerial photograph shows that Hamas situated its military bases and training camps near schools, and the Al-Fakhura medical center. It also shows that some parts of the neighborhood were mined and that tunnels were dug mearby. In addition, it is marked with the LAUNCHING sites set up INSIDE the neighborhood from which ROCKETS were fired into Israel.”

    “Jabaliya is a village and Palestinian camp in the nothern Gaza Strip. The Palestinian terrorist organizations used the region to LAUNCH rockets into Israel before Operation Cast Lead.”

    “The aerial photograph shows that Hamas situated many of its military facilities in Jabaliya, including a post and firing range. Tunnels were dug between civilian houses and exposed areas were mined. Many places in Jabaliya served as rocket launching sites both before and during Operation Cast Lead, including places close to mosques and UNRWA schools.”

    “The densely-populated area of Gaza city was also turned into a military compund by Hamas. The refugee camp borders on the sea and is home to 80,567 Palestinians. It has a number of schools and mosques, near which terrorist activities were carried out. The aerial photograph shows thar Hamas established a military camp and training camps INSIDE the refugee camp. Some of the bases are near schools. Hama turned ALMOST ALL of theb local shore into a military zone. Rockets were launched from the Sha’ati refugee camp into Israei territory, in prozimity to public buildings.”
    (Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center at the Israel Intelligence Heritage & Commemoration Center, IICC).

    Hamas and its evil intention, don’t care a hoot about the civilian population of Gaza, they will use ANYONE as a human shield to further their cause against Israel, children, old people, hospitals, UN facilities, it makes NO difference to them, as they ARE TERRORIST, and there is NOTHING or no human life that they will not EXPLOIT for their evil intent, to destroy Israel.

    Propaganda and ‘turnspeak’ is repeatedly then used, and the world media takes it all in, LIES,LIES, and more LIES!

  29. Carlos Avatar
    Carlos

    NOT SAVED:

    You cannot answer the DUMB, DEAF and BLIND!

  30. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    and you cant answer me either

  31. Straight talk Avatar
    Straight talk

    Carlos

    Turnspeak example; your above quote within quotation marks –
    “resistance (i.e. terrorism).”

    Will you place your reputation for accurate reporting of facts on the accuracy of that quote attributed to Dr. Mahmoud al-Zahar?

  32. Avatar
    Anonymous

    @ Fool…

    Sorry to disappoint you (sincerely) but I deal with people as they deal with me.

    You came on this blog and I responded to you in the same manner you dealt with me. Carlos came with his dismissive and arrogant attitude, therefore from me he will get the same.

    GP was on and he has my respect, so do you.
    If you are not happy then, as you have said, I am sure you can find someone more mature to discus with.

    Respect goes both ways. Dont think for one minute that you can demand it from me.

    Again, sorry to dissapoint.

  33. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    Sorry…..my post above.

  34. Carlos Avatar
    Carlos

    Straight Talk:

    You said; ‘Turnspeak example; your above quote within quotations marks- “resistence (i.e., terrorism),”

    “Will you place your reputation for accurate reporting of facts on the accuracy of that quote attributed to Dr. Mahamoud al Zahar?”

    First, you ‘erroneously’ misquoted what I wrote in my earlier thread of today, you must pay careful attention to detail, and NOT misquote what I posted, as you have me as using quotation marks, “resistence (i.e., terrorism).” This is most certainly NOT what I wrote, go an re-read exactly what I said, and STOP twisting the text, as I only used quotations marks around “resistence” NOT (i.e., terrorist attacks) .

    The obvious use of bracketing (i.e., terrorist attacks) by the source from which I quoted is straightforward, as Hamas’ charter’ intent as clearly executed over the last decade or so, is to use ‘Terrorist attacks” which they have continuously done killing hundreds of Israeli civilians as well as military personnel.

    So, you CANNOT erroneously ‘misquote’ my ‘quotation’ by your indiscriminate interjection of ‘quotation’ marks, where I NEVER used them, and then challege my integrity, you must be more careful next time!

  35. Dictionary Avatar
    Dictionary

    Onlookers:

    A few final remarks are in order; the discussion having long since been decided on the merits.

    (Just observe that to date, the facts and issues introduced from Saturday on by the undersigned, have not been cogently addressed by those who had hitherto been venting much spleen all over Jews and Christians. [BTW, BU, the problems highlighted by this thread speak to he need for a proper editorial policy on basic civility. Or, should I use a regional word: “broughtupcy.”])

    Now, the above flood of ad hominems — and outright slanders in at least one case [FYI: “lies” must needs be false to fact, T] — on the part of those spewing the post-colonialist, anti Semitic [Zionism is the nationalism of Judaism and is supported by the majority of Jews] is a classic example of what is increasingly wrong in our region and civilisation.

    And that, in the face of MORTAL DANGER.

    So, let us first expose an increasingly standard manipulative rhetorician’s trick when he — almost always it is a “he” — has not got the balance of the case on the material facts:

    1 –> Drag a red herring distractor that leads away from the track of truth.

    [Observe that the issues of the clash between the 1919 world order of nation states and the islamIST global conquest intent have been distracted from, including in the Caribbean; thanks to Dr Sultana Afroz of UWI History Dept Mona, they have been pointed in our direction too, not just Israel or Spain. Not to mention the import of the 1919 London agreement between representatives of the Jewish and Arab nations for joint development of their common regional home, and the Zionist submission to the Versailles conference. (But the inconvenient truth does not fit with the post colonialist “western Imperialism and racism” narrative . . . so, it must not be attended to.)]

    2 –> Lead out to strawmen caricatures, suitably soaked in oil of ad hominem, then ignite spectacularly.

    [Notice how half truth cases were trotted out to try to displace the facts presented on original historical documents and knowledge of what Dr Sultana Afroz has been doing in our region for about 15 – 20 years [until Prof Maureen Warner-Lewis of UWI Literature Dept shredded her assertions in a now famous Gleaner rebuttal; just Google . . .]. In particular, the easily shown/ accessed fact that ALL citizens of Israel have equal rights before the law was twisted into the accusation that this was a lie. Then, when I showed that this and a subsequent case was based on biased half truth — without justification — I have been called a liar, by one who resorted to outright vulgarities to do so. Carlos has been subjected to an inquisition as to whether he is a genuine Bajan. But, where one is born has little or nothing to do with whether one is speaking the material truth. the material issues he has raised, are then conveniently ignored. ]

    3 –> Thus, poison and cloud the atmosphere for discussion, creating animosity and confusion.

    [Observe the steadily deteriorating tone in the thread on the post-colonialist narrative side, and the associated lack of responsible engagement of evident or accessible facts. For instance, has anyone taken time to find out just who Dr Sultana Afroz is, and what she has been publishing in CQ etc; which has inter alia come out onward in feature articles in the Bajan popular press as if it were established truth? And, to what effect? Much less, what is the significance of the Versailles 1919 principle of self determination of people groups and the involvement of ME peoples in that process? Or, the implications of the fact that there were TWO linked and comparably sized ME refugee crises centring on the UN-sponsored independence of Israel and opportunity to have an equally independent Arab state, and the invasion on declared intent to commit genocide of Jews? (Hint: the refugee Jews and their descendants are the majority of Israel’s Jewish population, i.e the capstone legitimacy of Israel is as a state of refuge for these victims of persecution in long settled homelands all across the ME.) Similarly, as Carlos has pointed out, the balance of casualties across a decade in which there should have been peace per the Dennis Ross 2000 compromise shows that accusations of “disproportion” have been less than a true and fair view of the situation. not to mention, that the evidence of Hamas’ intent of genocide, its attacking civilians across the better part of a decade and the use of civilians as human shields clearly remove it from the list of legitimate governments, much less combattants. I do correct, Carlos: in addition to 750 *identified* Hamas militant casualties, another 200 of mostly young men in their 20s, is probably further such militants. In short, while war is a horror and a foretaste of a place we would be wise to shun not least because innocents die in disturbing numbers — and in this case, deliberately so as an illegitimate combattant uses innocents as shields — it is plain that the extraordinary steps taken by Israel to minimise civilian deaths (as noted by the cited British Colonel) seem to have worked to a significant extent. (And recall, an underlying factor in this is that the range of the Iranian-supplied rockets is now reaching the neighbourhood of the Dimona nuclear centre, so war to block what would provoke a nuke confrontation is a lesser of evils. Such is ever the horrible calculus of war: bad vs worse.)]

    4 –> Escape accountability behind the cloud of animosity and confusion (claiming “victory” if you can get away with it).

    [Observe the vulgarity-laced refusal to be accountable over uncivil conduct on the part of a certain post-colonialist narrative advocate. Note the linked pretense that simply by pouring vitriol over what they disagree with, the post-colonialist narrative advocates claim to have established their case and can dismiss entire peoples and religions in contemptuous terms. In one word: SHAMELESS. (Contrast how those the anti-Zionists/ anti-Semites and anti-Christians despise have by and large addressed the matter on the merits of evident or accessible facts and reason tied to those facts.) ]

    ____________

    So, onlookers, the choice of which path to take — of which way of argument to approve of — of which substantial conclusion to accept — is yours.

    Just, understand that our region and civilisation face mortal peril at the hands of the third major global conquest ideology to rise up in a Century: IslamISM.

    If you doubt me on that, why not simply check up the facts? (Start with the Hamas Charter and the Muslim Brotherhood 1982 100 year global plan. I will give links in a follow up brief comment.)

    GEM of TKI

  36. Dictionary Avatar
    Dictionary

    PS: On some initial check-up links:

    1] The Hamas Charter may be a good place to begin to find a few facts on just what hamas stands for adn why it has acted as it has:

    http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimedia/English/eng_n/pdf/hamas_charter.pdf

    –> Cf here on human shields:

    http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimedia/English/eng_n/pdf/hamas_e049.pdf

    –> Article 7, pp. 15 – 16 cites the genocide of jews hadith, and there is much antisemit5ic ranting, including citation of the Protocol of the Elders of Zion, a Czarist Russian anti-Jewish fraud.

    –> On direct relevance to us, I point to art 11 p. 17 and 12 p 18, which say that once “Muslim” land — and the legitimacy of other claimants as in Israel and Spain is thus not recognised, and compromise is rejected on religious grounds — has been reconquered it is an INDIVIDUAL obligation of all Muslims to attack.

    –> Multiply by what Dr Afroz has claimed for us in the cCaribbean and connectt he dots. [BTW, Prof Warner-Lewis’ rebuttal is here: http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20021020/focus/focus3.html ]

    –> In short, this is not just something 1,00’s of miles away: similar (yes, tendentious, but that does not faze ideologues) claims point at our region.

    –> And BTW, Hezbollah (a related, albeit Shiite group) has bases as near as Venezuela.

    –> Post-colonialist narrative advocates should reflect carefully on the implications of resemblances between their arguments and those of Hamas.

    2] The parent organisation, the MB, has a world plan:

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/Printable.aspx?GUID={61829F93-7A81-4654-A2E8-F0A5E6DD3DC4}

    3] the way some Islamists hope to rewrite the world map across this century is illuminating:

    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=14952&only

    [NB: I saw and personally archived the map at its original site when it was live on the net. It was taken down some time after 9/11; similar to data on how to make nukes I looked at on 9/11 itself, when at my workplace the discussion turned to suitcase nukes. Despite some attempted dismissals, the world conquest map is for real.]

    4] For the resulting dhimmitude under Q 9:5 and 29, cf:

    http://www.dhimmitude.org/

    5] Mideast web is a useful general source with an irenic disposition:

    http://www.mideastweb.org/

    6] On Myths vs Facts issues, a place to look at for balances to the dominant post-colonialist narrative is:

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths2/myths2006.pdf

    7] Some are tempted to deride Christians as well. I therefore point to:

    http://www.leaderu.com/everystudent/easter/articles/yama.html

    http://www.rzim.org/USA/home.aspx

    http://irrationalatheist.com/files/TheIrrationalAtheist.pdf

    http://www.carm.org/index.html

    . . . for starters.

    GEM of TKI

    PS: Thanks in advance for posting these links.

  37. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    Just, understand that our region and civilisation face mortal peril at the hands of the third major global conquest ideology to rise up in a Century: IslamISM.

    OMG….Finally you come out and say (at long last) what you were really sidetepping around.
    After all the fancy words and all rhetoric..it is plain to see now…..OMG !!

  38. Avatar
    Anonymous

    Is Islamism the same thing as Islam (i.e in accordance with the teachings of the Prophet)?

  39. Avatar
    Anonymous

    It takes a Jew to tell the (ignorant of the facts) people (like Straight Talk) that there is a difference between Jihadists and Islamists; that there is a difference between Zionists (of which I am one) and fundamentalist religious Zionists.

    You shreiking Mr. T, because now the hurt is on your family. I have watched people all through this thread write and educate Bajans as to how murderous I am, a Zionist, where my only fault being a Zionist is believing in the existence of the State of Israel is the important thing to Jews. I saw the racism written at BU and the political victimisation come upon me when I called those people on there lies.
    While you laughed and wrote derogatory comments.
    I hope today you and those reading will walk a mile in my shoes, as I have done in yours.

    I made an overture above to discuss how a peace treaty could be created between Israel and the Pro-Palestinians to create their country, saying
    I would like to open a discussion by stating a core issue and asking whether it is possible: i.e the security of the Jewish people and Israel. The core issue is that Israel wants to be accepted and made safe from attack.

    You made no substantive response which is what annoyed me. I have putatively created your country but you have not responded to my overtures.

    Well you know that Jihadists like Hamas and some in places like Iran, Saudi; educate and work towards the destruction of Israel, and there is a war going on after the Jews were forcibly taken out of Gaza by their own people. Well you know that Jihadism is fast becoming accepted and acceptable by Islam, and that is where the danger to the rest of the world is concerning this scary part of Islam.

    I don’t like to blog here, I do it because I see that there are Bajans teaching Bajans to hate my race on this blog, which is reprehensible.
    I saw it with the Guyanese, I saw it against homosexuals. I saw it as political by BU and continue to see it that way.

    Read my reiteration above and work with me because *at the end of the day* it will be a peace treaty between the parties concerned; many, but not all of whom, are Jews and Muslims.

    Peace to all and peace to Jerusalem.

  40. Avatar
    Anonymous

    Fool

  41. Carlos Avatar
    Carlos

    Technician:

    There are none so blind as those who REFUSE to see. You are quickly approaching this sordid state, if in fact you are not already there!

  42. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @Anonymous…….You are a damn LIAR. What is the difference between a zionist ‘of which I am one’ and a fundamentalist religious zionist? Peace to Jerusalem one of the biggest drug and human trafficking,diamond smuggling centres in this world!

  43. JC Avatar
    JC

    Ha ha ha ha I fail to see the holiness of this war. Lets talk about Zimbabwe and Darfur!

    It amazes me that as soon as you have a difference of opinion you are scarred with names such as Xenophobia, racist, zionist and all kinds of crap because GOD/ALLAH/SELASSIE I gave us a brain and we have decided to think for a change!

    Newsflash willie lynch days are over this is CRAP (ace no pun intended) sigh!

  44. Avatar
    Anonymous

    What 2 are writing above is commonly referred to as “Jew-baiting”. Another reprehensible tactic that many racists enjoy using.
    Before Israel in 1948 people used to do this to try to get *the Jew* to act, thereby exposing him/herself, after which they would be identified for whatever treatment was deemed to be appropriate. It happened right up until the 60s in the US, when civil rights came along.

    This slimy tactic is here at BU today, and I’m calling you guys on it. You’re sick, and this forum gives you an excellent output vent.

    Above: “All things bad are because of Jews. Jews are white people. White is bad. My decisions are holy and ordained by…… (as above)”.

    Rubbish.

    Again, there is no substantive contribution is made above, only the simple expressions of hatred. Hatred of Jews.

    People above: You must justify where I am lying, and how my entire life has been so misguided, so misguided right here in Barbados.

    Tell me now *those above*, how has my life in Barbados been hateful and spiteful? Tell me where I have been usurious and wicked towards my fellow citizens? Tell where have I scarred Barbados?

    Or *enriched* it, by my little Jewboy life?

    It is Peace, insane ones, it is PEACE we are talking about.

    But make no mistake, peace in the Middle East doesn’t come to pansies and apologists; or appeasers. You may hate Israel, but you can’t destroy it.

    Shimon Peres: ‘You want peace, we want peace. You want an end to terror, we want an end to terror.’ Think about that.

    Fool.

  45. Avatar
    Anonymous

    But make no mistake, peace in the Middle East doesn’t come to pansies and apologists; or appeasers. You may hate Palestine, but you can’t destroy it.

    Think about that.

  46. Fool Avatar
    Fool

    I do.

  47. Dictionary Avatar
    Dictionary

    Last words:

    I see T pretending that IslamISM — which I have repeatedly, and carefully distinguished from Islam (considered as a religiously motivated worldview with associated personal and community level religious practices) and ordinary Muslims — is not a world conquest ideology.

    He thus further underscores his own sad want of credibility and refusal to do basic homework.

    Onlookers, if you want to know the truth about IslamISM (and linked jihadISM), simply check up the links I gave above, including not only what Hamas has to say, but also that C21 world conquest map and the MB global plan. [Hamas, by its charter, is the Palestinian branch of MB.]

    Maybe this excerpt from Hassan Butt [which appeared in the UK Guardian July 1, 2007], a former Jihadist — now recanted, will help us understand what is really going on:

    >>When I was still a member of what is probably best termed the British Jihadi Network . . . we used to laugh in celebration whenever people on TV proclaimed that the sole cause for Islamic acts of terror like 9/11, the Madrid bombings and 7/7 was Western foreign policy . . . .

    [T]hey also helped to draw away any critical examination from the real engine of our violence: [my nb: the IslamIST approach to] Islamic theology.

    . . . . though many British extremists are angered by the deaths of fellow Muslim across the world, what drove me and many others to plot acts of extreme terror within Britain and abroad was a sense that we were fighting for the creation of a revolutionary worldwide Islamic state that would dispense Islamic justice . . . .

    [For instance] I was taught . . . this reclassification of the globe as a Land of War . . . . In Dar ul-Harb, anything goes, including the treachery and cowardice of attacking civilians [cf. the 9/11 and 7/7 attacks as instances] . . .>>

    That is right from the horse’s mouth: >>we were fighting for the creation of a revolutionary worldwide Islamic state . . . >>

    and in that cause . . .

    >>In Dar ul-Harb [the house of the sword, i.e. war], anything goes, including the treachery and cowardice of attacking civilians . . . >>

    Most people thought Hitler was not serious, and many thought the communists were not serious too. Ask the ghosts of their cumulative coming on 200 million victims across C20, whether they were serious or not.

    Look again at what happened at 9/11 and 7/7, then ask yourself again, if the Jihadists are serious?

    Then, reflect on the Afroz teachings about the Islamic — note my difference here — claims against the Caribbean. Compare those with the claims against not only Israel, Spain and Eastern Europe from the Balkans to the gates of Vienna, but the Copts of Egypt, the Dinkas of Sudan, the Christians of Nigeria, and those of Indonesia. Ask yourself, how such Islamic claims will look in IslamIST eyes, and how they will therefore work out in JihadIST plans and deeds, if things continue as they are trending.

    Then, look up the well documented history of dhimmitude under sharia, reflective of the mandate in Q 9:29 and the pact of Umar.

    Investigate the resulting apartheid-like discrimination against women and non-muslims that has in some cases endured for over 1,000 years now. (So much for the myth of tolerance and peaceful, joyful, just coexistence.)

    Then, ask yourself: will we learn from history by acting on it in good time, or will we relive its worst chapters, yet once again?

    The choice, onlookers, is yours.

    GEM of TKI

  48. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    Then, ask yourself: will we learn from history by acting on it in good time, or will we relive its worst chapters, yet once again?

    The choice, onlookers, is yours.

    Why worry???

    This is your prophecy being fulfilled, you should be happy and rejoicing!!

  49. Rev. Dr. Dick Hertz Avatar
    Rev. Dr. Dick Hertz

    Touchdown Technician! If we have free will then how can there be prophecy? According to the theologians, the dice is loaded so no matter what we do the outcome is already determined (how else could there be prophecy?).

    However if we do have free will then the outcome is uncertain to even god and what kind of god is that? A no-god?

    Come on Carlos, Gem of TKI and others help us out here. Is it no free will so it’s all God’s doing (the good, the bad and the ugly) and we are just pawns or maybe no-god and we are on our own?

  50. Carlos Avatar
    Carlos

    Rev. Dr. Dick Hertz; says, “However if we do have free will then the out come is uncertain to even God and what kind of God is that? …Is it no free will so it’s all God’s doing ( the good, the bad and the ugly) and we are just pawns or maybe no-god and we are on our own?”

    The greatest gift Almighty God gave to mankind, apart from the ‘Gift of Enternal Life’ through Jesus Christ, is ‘FREE WILL’ volitional free will, to choose one way or the other; for truly, this is a loving, merciful, Omniscient, Almighty Creator of us all.

    IF, we were not given ‘free will’ then we would be ‘robots’ automatons, which is most certainly NOT what we are.

    Almighty God in His Omniscience, that is, ‘ALL’ knowing, the begining from the end, He knows what we are going to think and do before we even ‘think’ the thought, let alone execute it into action; this is why He can, and has Divinely Inspired in His ‘Word’ the Bible, the prophetic unfolding of ALL things, BUT, this in no way, takes away from our ‘Free will’ to choose which side we’ll be on; is too hard to comprehend?

    For, He knows who will choose which destiny, ‘Life’ or ‘Death’ Heaven or Hell, BUT, He does NOT interfere with our Free Will, as emphatically revealed and recorded in Genesis; for He gave Adam a ‘choice’ either ‘Life’ or ‘Death’ but DID not impose Himself on Adam, the CHOICE was Adam’s, and he choose to ‘disobey’ the consequence of which WAS death, first ‘spiritual’ death, which means, ‘separation’ from, or to separate, for Adam now found himself with his wife ‘Eve’ alienated, estranged from God’s presence, NO fellowship with his Creator, WHICH Adam volitionally CHOOSE, and now experienced the first ‘death’ lost of spiritual relationship with Almighty God, which was passed on to ALL human beings thereafter.

    That’s why you DO not have to teach a ‘child’ how to be selfish, or unkind, or to be rude, or to be angry, etc., etc., for ALL those things are inherent in its SINFUL nature, from the moment of conception, we ALL come into this world from birth, as SINNERS, we DO not become SINNERS because we SIN, we SIN because we are SINNERS.

    Some of us choose to listen and obey, other CHOOSE to disobey; the choice is ours to make.

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