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Submitted by Bush Tea on January 1, 2009

Bush Tea has noted the ominous silence of the BU family on the most recent events in the mid east, where the brilliantly logical Israelis are again employing their often tried tactic of bombing and killing their neighbours into co-operation. Clearly their strategists are banking on the hope that this approach MUST work eventually –especially after decades of failure. (Submitted on January 1, 2009 but was not picked-up by BU, sorry about that Bush Tea – David)

Clearly this is a situation, which has been refined by the US republican party, where in the lead-up to a national election, unpopular governments seek to rally national support for a ‘war’ against some unfortunate common foe –preferably someone who can be labelled a ‘terrorist’.

The Israeli plan is obviously to build up the usual hype, kill a few Hamas ‘terrorist’ – and their collateral family members behind whom they are hiding (in their homes) and wait for the USA to protect them in the UN while a face saving ‘truce’ is negotiated.

The ruling party now confirmed at home and by the USA as ‘strong on terror’ and ‘able to protect the country’ would then be re-elected.

That is the plan. Here is the reality.

The current operation by Israel is going to finally bring the militant Palestinian forces together. (This happened 2 years ago in Lebanon for Hezbollah – but that seem to have been forgotten by Israel – or maybe the incumbent party is REALLY desperate).

This will result in the overthrow –this year- of ALL of the pro-western governments in the region –Egypt, Saudi Arabia…. ALL….

A VERY powerful strongman will then emerge, powered by the unifying force generated by this current (and previous) Israeli action, by the USA’s Iraq debacle, by control of huge oil reserves, access to very sophisticated weapons and an ideology fuelled by revenge and war.

The next New Year will be a very bleak one…. And Israel will pay a HUGE price for this approach to neighbour relations. Where is George Washington when he is needed? Is it not he who said that the best way to destroy your enemies is to make them into your friends????

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474 responses to “Is This The Start Of World War III?”

  1. David Avatar
    David

    BT you are scaring us!

  2. Santa Klaus Avatar
    Santa Klaus

    Bush Tea – is obviously not what you’re taking. I’ve never read so much disjointed rubbish.

  3. David Avatar
    David

    Here is a question:

    Since 2005 can a member of the Bu family say how many Israeli citizens/soldiers have been killed by Palestinian rockets?

    We are not belittling human life just trying to wrap our minds around this issue.

  4. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    about 2 dozen Israeli soldiers in the past ten years.

  5. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    http://bedanim.parsiblog.com/781547.htm

  6. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    I am not one who is easily moved but those pics ………..

  7. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    Note Technician, they are all children. Where were the adults that were attending these children?

  8. David Avatar
    David

    The interesting point to explore would be if the USA is able to wean itself off fossil fuel in the next 10 years. How would this affect the foreign policy of the region given its diminished importance.

    It seems that it would become a free for all which tell us that Israeli interest in the USA may not want to be on board with Obama RE policies.

  9. Santa Klaus Avatar
    Santa Klaus

    The problem isn’t fossil fuel. It’s religion. Like in most other conflicts where true believers slaughter each other. Especially small children.

    See Northern Ireland where there’s no oil.

    The Israel/Palestine fiasco is best described as a schoolyard spat between 2 eight-year-olds.

    “He stole my apple.”

    “No he stole my apple.”

    “No he stole my apple.”

    “No he stole my apple.”

    And if you continue this for an hour or two you’ll find Israel stole the apple first.

    Or was it the Palestinians?

  10. Adrian Hinds Avatar
    Adrian Hinds

    As ww2 pulled the world out of the depression, a ww3 would certainly be welcome news for the greedy, the powerful and the rich. What is occuring in the middle east can hardly be concidered a catylist for the start of ww3.

    1:what is the Isreali’s stated goal for this offensive?

    2: Operation Cast Lead in Gaza: Israel’s military offensive against Hamas has been in effect for two weeks, yet Hamas has retained the ability to fire rockets, and Israel has refrained from making a big push into Gaza City. What is Israel’s cost-benefit analysis in deciding how much more damage it needs to inflict before it can agree to a cease-fire? If Egypt continues to refuse to allow a multinational force to patrol the Gaza-Sinai border, and if Israel does not agree to a bolstering of Egyptian forces along the border, what kind of compromise can be reached? Will Israel end up having to resume responsibility for this border to prevent future arms smuggling?

  11. Green Monkey Avatar
    Green Monkey

    Gaza Is the Future
    Israel’s on a rampage – and here’s why

    By Justin Raimondo (www.antiwar.com)

    SNIP

    The assumption that this is an overreaction to the pinpricks inflicted by Hamas is flat-out wrong: the current conflict, which is escalating rapidly, has zero to do with a few rockets lobbed over Israel’s impregnable perimeter. That was merely a pretext, and a thin one at that. Yet the exhibition of such a reckless disregard for truth and world opinion hints at the real agenda at work here and underscores the arrogance underlying it.

    If we step back and look at Israel’s strategy in recent years, the Gaza reoccupation – or, at least, regime-change in Hamastan – makes perfect sense. Sharon’s was a tactical retreat: one small step backward, to be followed by a couple of giant steps forward. Lebanon’s recent agony was step one. The Gaza massacre is step two. The third is anyone’s guess. Syria? Lebanon, again? Kurdistan might be fun.

    No one knows, of course, but the general outlines of what is going down, as we say in America, were laid out in “A Clean Break: A New Strategy for the Realm,” a policy paper produced by a remarkable group of American analysts in 1996, for then-Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The realm being Israel, and the unique group that produced it characterized by their centrality in pushing for war with Iraq. Led by Richard Perle, the “Clean Break” group consisted of James Colbert, Charles Fairbanks Jr., Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser.

    All of these august personages, but especially Perle, can claim the dubious credit of having co-authored what the late Gen. William E. Odom ruefully referred to as the greatest military disaster in American history. While Perle is now wailing over at The National Interest that he had nothing to do with it, that it was all George W. Bush’s fault, neither history nor the gods will absolve him. He and his fellow graduates of the Scoop Jackson Academy and Finishing School for Laptop Bombardiers are so on the record as being the earliest and most vociferous advocates of regime-change throughout the Middle East, and not just Iraq, that their denials of responsibility are a veritable pastiche of mendacity. Surely they jest.

    Yet they just as surely were not jesting in “A Clean Break,” where the case is made that Israel is in a rut: Israel is endangered by an inability to break out of its settler-colony isolation, and, in the process, renew the Zionist project internationally. While no mention is made of the demographic time-bomb, it can be clearly heard ticking in the background. A new aggressiveness is called for, the Perle group argued, a clean break with the passivity of the past. They recommended a policy of regime-change throughout the immediate vicinity of Israel:

    SNIP

    Elbow room – or Lebensraum?

    Of course, any war Israel involves itself in will drag in the United States, its principal patron and protector. In this, America is truly an empire of unique type – one that has been taken hostage by one of its own satellites. That, at least, is the intention, and, so far, the plan seems to be working.

    SNIP

    Israel is following the “Clean Break” plan almost to the letter, shedding its old role as a dependent settler-colony under continuous siege. In Gaza – and, be assured, throughout the Middle East – Israel is asserting its new role as regional hegemon in a multi-polar world. Israel, not the U.S., is taking the initiative and leading its great ally and “protector” around by the nose, with the Lobby serving as an effective rein on any sudden spasms of self-interest.

    This can only end in one way: a general war, perhaps a world war, pitting the U.S. and Israel against virtually every nation in the region – in effect, the entire Muslim world. A new Hundred Years War, a molten eruption of religious conflict that reaches into every continent and smolders for generations until the last embers of hatred and memory are cooled. A century of escalating terrorism and devastating war: is this what the American people want?

    Well, no, but the past eight years have been an object lesson in how easily people can be bamboozled into something they most definitely do not want. It can – and doubtless will – happen again. Indeed, the pattern is repeating itself with the new administration, and Obama hasn’t even taken the oath of office.

    Look at Gaza and see the future.

    http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=14046

  12. Fool Avatar
    Fool

    and it’s all the Jews fault.

    Hatred of Jews is rampant at this site, led by Green Monkey and David BU. But at BU dating back to its links to antisemitic sites.

    When BU is finished Barbados will hate Jews (more). Thank you BU for sowing the seeds of hatred towards foreigners and minorities, including Jews.

    On topic, isn’t every bad thing that happens in the world because of a conspiracy by *them*???

  13. Avatar
    Anonymous

    Stupse! Only the jews suffered!

    NO ONE COULD HAVE SUFFERED LIKE BALCK PEOPLE NO ONE!

    Proof me wrong! Stupse…..

  14. Zionist Avatar
    Zionist

    Bust Tea, Have you taken a leave of your senses? Israel IS justified in suppressing violence and intimidation by the Hamas regime, irrespective of whether they were “elected”. Indeed, this is only possible by neutralizing these threats. What would you do if terrorists were constantly assaulting your polity? Would you not crush them like a cockroach? Do not answer that… lest you be considered a fundamentalist. In the final analysis, Israel must do what is neceesary to protect her borders and citizens.
    The U.S. in recognising the Hamas regime threat, has in the past and today remains steadfast in their support for freedom and as an ardent supporter of enhanced interrogation techniques and rendition, I say, let us prosecute these threats with such vehemence that it will “shock and awe” the next generations into human form.

  15. 199 Avatar
    199

    Would u like it to be the start of WW3, Bust Tea!! I get the sense that perhaps, ur feeling bored and desire to c some action!! Just don’t let it be at all of our expense, please!!

  16. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    Fool

    Apt name for such a post. You are a scaremonger to the faint-hearted?

    This is a question of standing up for humanity. It makes no sense asking Hamas to stop firing rockets because they are not hurting anybody. What Israel is being allowed to do is genocide.

    So while we are not in the business of picking sides, I guarantee you that if the Palestinians were the aggressors, we would have been on Israel’s side. They say that God don’t like Ugly or Unfair… but the point is, leave God to do God’s work. Meanwhile, you do what is right as a human being; as one of God’s children.

    “Vengance is Mine, saith the Lord”; not yours. Do not follow the multitude (of sinners) to do evil.

  17. Adrian Hinds Avatar
    Adrian Hinds

    “Israel” connotes all of the Hebrew and Jewish entities that have existed in the Levant since the invasion of the region as chronicled in the Book of Joshua. As always, geopolitics requires a consideration of three dimensions: the internal geopolitics of Israel, the interaction of Israel and the immediate neighbors who share borders with it, and Israel’s interaction with what we will call great powers, beyond Israel’s borderlands.

    Israel’s danger is not a Palestinian rising. Palestinian agitation is an irritant that Israel can manage so long as it does not undermine Israeli unity. Whether it is managed by domination or by granting the Palestinians a vassal state matters little. Nor can Israel be threatened by its neighbors. Even a unified attack by Syria and Egypt would fail, for the reasons discussed. Israel’s real threat, as can be seen in history, lies in the event of internal division and/or a great power, coveting Israel’s geographical position, marshalling force that is beyond its capacity to resist. Even that can be managed if Israel has a patron whose interests involve denying the coast to another power.

    Israel’s reality is this. It is a small country, yet must manage threats arising far outside of its region. It can survive only if it maneuvers with great powers commanding enormously greater resources. Israel cannot match the resources and, therefore, it must be constantly clever. There are periods when it is relatively safe because of great power alignments, but its normal condition is one of global unease. No nation can be clever forever, and Israel’s history shows that some form of subordination is inevitable. Indeed, it is to a very limited extent subordinate to the United States now.

    For Israel, the retention of a Davidic independence is difficult. Israel’s strategy must be to manage its subordination effectively by dealing with its patron cleverly, as it did with Persia. But cleverness is not a geopolitical concept. It is not permanent, and it is not assured. And that is the perpetual crisis of Jerusalem.

    http://www.stratfor.com

    Thats why Isreal sought and did not get America’s permission and help in taking out Iran nuclear capabilities. Isreal sees Iran as a large enough power to cause it concern. America needs Iran cooperation in keeping the peace in Iraq.

  18. Adrian Hinds Avatar
    Adrian Hinds

    http://www.strafor.com
    Israel’s danger is not a Palestinian rising. Palestinian agitation is an irritant that Israel can manage so long as it does not undermine Israeli unity.

    rok:
    It makes no sense asking Hamas to stop firing rockets because they are not hurting anybody.
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    It is believe that weapons are being smuggle from Egypt into Gaza. Eypt does not want to police it’s border neither does it want an international presense there. This Border area also happens to be the best it not the only approach that Egypt can use for a military attack against Israel. It is either that or the Sinai dessert. Some rockets are reaching further and further into Israel than before, and Israel has nuclear facilities that are becoming very close if not already within range of these new rockets. Hamas smuggling tunnels if allowed untouched can be taken over by Egypt to augment it’s troop supply lines in the event of an attack.

  19. Adrian Hinds Avatar
    Adrian Hinds

    Israel is located in the Levant. What is the Levant?

    The word Levant (Le·VANT) is the name applied to the geographical region, defined by natural frontiers, encompassing the eastern shores of the Mediterranean Sea from roughly the Isthmus of Suez to the Taurus Mountains, including present-day Israel, Lebanon, western Jordan, the Sinai in Egypt, and that part of Syria defined by the Orontes Valley and the region of Aleppo. It is a more or less heterogeneous region, encompassing an area of about 75,000 square miles, divided into specific areas of diverse ecological and environmental character surprisingly similar to that of southern California.

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    The Levant was also important to any empire originating to the north or south of Israel. If Egypt decided to move beyond the Nile Basin and North Africa eastward, it would move first through the Sinai and then northward along the coastal plain, securing sea lanes to Egypt. When Asia Minor powers such as the Ottoman Empire developed, there was a natural tendency to move southward to control the eastern Mediterranean. The Levant is the crossroads of continents, and Israel lies in the path of many imperial ambitions.

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    Israel’s danger will come only if a great power seeks to dominate the Mediterranean Basin or to occupy the region between Afghanistan and the Mediterranean. In the short period since the fall of the Soviet Union, this has been impossible. There has been no great power with the appetite and the will for such an adventure. But 15 years is not even a generation, and Israel must measure its history in centuries.

    ==========================

    The threat to Israel rarely comes from the region, except when the Israelis are divided internally. The conquests of Israel occur when powers not adjacent to it begin forming empires. Babylon, Persia, Macedonia, Rome, Turkey and Britain all controlled Israel politically, sometimes for worse and sometimes for better. Each dominated it militarily, but none was a neighbor of Israel. This is a consistent pattern. Israel can resist its neighbors; danger arises when more distant powers begin playing imperial games. Empires can bring force to bear that Israel cannot resist.

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    Let us then turn to the contemporary manifestation of Israel. Israel was recreated because of the interaction between a regional great power, the Ottoman Empire, and a global power, Great Britain. During its expansionary phase, the Ottoman Empire sought to dominate the eastern Mediterranean as well as both its northern and southern coasts. One thrust went through the Balkans toward central Europe. The other was toward Egypt. Inevitably, this required that the Ottomans secure the Levant.

    http://www.stratfor.com

  20. Straight talk Avatar
    Straight talk

    So what?

    The USA, the land of the free, exporting democracy around the globe, but it seems to baulk whenever the popularly elected regime is not as malleable as they require.

    Then the foreigners are not the people’s elected representatives……. they have morphed into terrorists, and must be assassinated as hi-techly as poss.

    “If you are not with us you are with the terrorists.”

    The most dangerously fascist phrase ever uttered by a “free ” Western leader.

  21. Adrian Hinds Avatar
    Adrian Hinds

    Imperial games of the past.

    For the British, the focus on the eastern Mediterranean was as the primary sea lane to India. As such, Gibraltar and the Suez were crucial. The importance of the Suez was such that the presence of a hostile, major naval force in the eastern Mediterranean represented a direct threat to British interests. It followed that defeating the Ottoman Empire during World War I and breaking its residual naval power was critical. The British, as was shown at Gallipoli, lacked the resources to break the Ottoman Empire by main force. They resorted to a series of alliances with local forces to undermine the Ottomans. One was an alliance with Bedouin tribes in the Arabian Peninsula; others involved covert agreements with anti-Turkish, Arab interests from the Levant to the Persian Gulf. A third, minor thrust was aligning with Jewish interests globally, particularly those interested in the refounding of Israel. Britain had little interest in this goal, but saw such discussions as part of the process of destabilizing the Ottomans.

    The strategy worked. Under an agreement with France, the Ottoman province of Syria was divided into two parts on a line roughly running east-west between the sea and Mount Hermon. The northern part was given to France and divided into Lebanon and a rump Syria entity. The southern part was given to Britain and was called Palestine, after the Ottoman administrative district Filistina. Given the complex politics of the Arabian Peninsula, the British had to find a home for a group of Hashemites, which they located on the east bank of the Jordan River and designated, for want of a better name, the Trans-Jordan — the other side of the Jordan. Palestine looked very much like traditional Israel.

    The ideological foundations of Zionism are not our concern here, nor are the pre- and post-World War II migrations of Jews, although those are certainly critical. What is important for purposes of this analysis are two things: First, the British emerged economically and militarily crippled from World War II and unable to retain their global empire, Palestine included. Second, the two global powers that emerged after World War II — the United States and the Soviet Union — were engaged in an intense struggle for the eastern Mediterranean after World War II, as can be seen in the Greek and Turkish issues at that time. Neither wanted to see the British Empire survive, each wanted the Levant, and neither was prepared to make a decisive move to take it.

    Both the United States and the Soviet Union saw the re-creation of Israel as an opportunity to introduce their power to the Levant. The Soviets thought they might have some influence over Israel due to ideology. The Americans thought they might have some influence given the role of American Jews in the founding. Neither was thinking particularly clearly about the matter, because neither had truly found its balance after World War II. Both knew the Levant was important, but neither saw the Levant as a central battleground at that moment. Israel slipped through the cracks.

    Once the question of Jewish unity was settled through ruthless action by David Ben Gurion’s government, Israel faced a simultaneous threat from all of its immediate neighbors. However, as we have seen, the threat in 1948 was more apparent than real. The northern Levant, Lebanon, was fundamentally disunited — far more interested in regional maritime trade and concerned about control from Damascus. It posed no real threat to Israel. Jordan, settling the eastern bank of the Jordan River, was an outside power that had been transplanted into the region and was more concerned about native Arabs — the Palestinians — than about Israel. The Jordanians secretly collaborated with Israel. Egypt did pose a threat, but its ability to maintain lines of supply across the Sinai was severely limited and its genuine interest in engaging and destroying Israel was more rhetorical than real. As usual, the Egyptians could not afford the level of effort needed to move into the Levant. Syria by itself had a very real interest in Israel’s defeat, but by itself was incapable of decisive action.

    The exterior lines of Israel’s neighbors prevented effective, concerted action. Israel’s interior lines permitted efficient deployment and redeployment of force. It was not obvious at the time, but in retrospect we can see that once Israel existed, was united and had even limited military force, its survival was guaranteed. That is, so long as no great power was opposed to its existence.

    From its founding until the Camp David Accords re-established the Sinai as a buffer with Egypt, Israel’s strategic problem was this: So long as Egypt was in the Sinai, Israel’s national security requirements outstripped its military capabilities. It could not simultaneously field an army, maintain its civilian economy and produce all the weapons and supplies needed for war. Israel had to align itself with great powers who saw an opportunity to pursue other interests by arming Israel.

    Israel’s first patron was the Soviet Union — through Czechoslovakia — which supplied weapons before and after 1948 in the hopes of using Israel to gain a foothold in the eastern Mediterranean. Israel, aware of the risks of losing autonomy, also moved into a relationship with a declining great power that was fighting to retain its empire: France. Struggling to hold onto Algeria and in constant tension with Arabs, France saw Israel as a natural ally. And apart from the operation against Suez in 1956, Israel saw in France a patron that was not in a position to reduce Israeli autonomy. However, with the end of the Algerian war and the realignment of France in the Arab world, Israel became a liability to France and, after 1967, Israel lost French patronage.

    Israel did not become a serious ally of the Americans until after 1967. Such an alliance was in the American interest. The United States had, as a strategic imperative, the goal of keeping the Soviet navy out of the Mediterranean or, at least, blocking its unfettered access. That meant that Turkey, controlling the Bosporus, had to be kept in the American bloc. Syria and Iraq shifted policies in the late 1950s and by the mid-1960s had been armed by the Soviets. This made Turkey’s position precarious: If the Soviets pressed from the north while Syria and Iraq pressed from the south, the outcome would be uncertain, to say the least, and the global balance of power was at stake.

    The United States used Iran to divert Iraq’s attention. Israel was equally useful in diverting Syria’s attention. So long as Israel threatened Syria from the south, it could not divert its forces to the north. That helped secure Turkey at a relatively low cost in aid and risk. By aligning itself with the interests of a great power, Israel lost some of its room for maneuver: For example, in 1973, it was limited by the United States in what it could do to Egypt. But those limitations aside, it remained autonomous internally and generally free to pursue its strategic interests.

    The end of hostilities with Egypt, guaranteed by the Sinai buffer zone, created a new era for Israel. Egypt was restored to its traditional position, Jordan was a marginal power on the east bank, Lebanon was in its normal, unstable mode, and only Syria was a threat. However, it was a threat that Israel could easily deal with. Syria by itself could not threaten the survival of Israel.

    Following Camp David (an ironic name), Israel was in its Davidic model, in a somewhat modified sense. Its survival was not at stake. Its problems — the domination of a large, hostile population and managing events in the northern Levant — were subcritical (meaning that, though these were not easy tasks, they did not represent fundamental threats to national survival, so long as Israel retained national unity). When unified, Israel has never been threatened by its neighbors. Geography dictates against it.

    Israel’s danger will come only if a great power seeks to dominate the Mediterranean Basin or to occupy the region between Afghanistan and the Mediterranean. In the short period since the fall of the Soviet Union, this has been impossible. There has been no great power with the appetite and the will for such an adventure. But 15 years is not even a generation, and Israel must measure its history in centuries.

    It is the nature of the international system to seek balance. The primary reality of the world today is the overwhelming power of the United States. The United States makes few demands on Israel that matter. However, it is the nature of things that the United States threatens the interests of other great powers who, individually weak, will try to form coalitions against it. Inevitably, such coalitions will arise. That will be the next point of danger for Israel.

    In the event of a global rivalry, the United States might place onerous requirements on Israel. Alternatively, great powers might move into the Jordan River valley or ally with Syria, move into Lebanon or ally with Israel. The historical attraction of the eastern shore of the Mediterranean would focus the attention of such a power and lead to attempts to assert control over the Mediterranean or create a secure Middle Eastern empire. In either event, or some of the others discussed, it would create a circumstance in which Israel might face a Babylonian catastrophe or be forced into some variation of a Persian or Roman subjugation.

    http://www.stratfor.com

  22. Adrian Hinds Avatar
    Adrian Hinds

    There are historic lessens to revisit as we look at the global economy, to factor in how,a great power in addition to the US might try to assert influence in the middle east to the point that a WW3 could be started from this location. I doubt that we are anywhere near a WW3 and that the LEVANT is the location where the seed will be sown. Then again if all the efforts of the US government fails to turn around the economy, a world war remains the best practice of yore that has yield the results we are currently hoping for.

    I know one NCO i would put on the front lines post haste. ha ha ha ha

    WW2 Led to the Brettonwoods accord that saw the US emerge as the dominant world power until this day.

    We see the Russian threat of freezing Europe (shut of natural gas) in particular the Ukraine if it does not get a Russian friendly government in Kiev.

    We have witness the near silence of Iran, Chavez, and other oil rich Anti American countries that are hemorageing due to the significant fall in oil prices.

    We have an economic meltdown started in America by so called SMART INTELLIGENT people that has led to wide fall out around the world. Europe’s economies are said to be worst off as result of these American originated economic problems than the American economy.

    So while ww2 led to the turn around in world economies then, I don’t think that there is a global power smarting for clash with the US they think they can reasonably win, or even have the money and wealth to initiate sustain, and come out stronger than they went in.

  23. Adrian Hinds Avatar
    Adrian Hinds

    Straight talk // January 12, 2009 at 5:38 pm

    So what?

    The USA, the land of the free, exporting democracy around the globe, but it seems to baulk whenever the popularly elected regime is not as malleable as they require.

    Then the foreigners are not the people’s elected representatives……. they have morphed into terrorists, and must be assassinated as hi-techly as poss.

    “If you are not with us you are with the terrorists.”

    The most dangerously fascist phrase ever uttered by a “free ” Western leader.
    ===========================

    Help me please i am always a student all be it not a very bright one. And your intervention above has led to Hamas, rockets, and Israel’s milatary response how??????? The possibility of WW3 will occur as a result of the above how???

  24. David Avatar
    David

    Our thanks to BU family member x for sending us the video above.

  25. ace Avatar
    ace

    –stamp of disapproval–
    ——————————
    CRAP ! CRAP ! and more CRAP !
    CRAP on top ‘o’ CRAP
    and CRAP! all over CRAP !
    CRAP! all up in CRAP !
    and after all that -still more
    —–C-R-A-P-

  26. Adrian Hinds Avatar
    Adrian Hinds

    Ha ha ha George Galloway. The great Scottish orator. This man can give a good speech lot of emotion, THAT MAKE YOU PAY ATTENTION. Lol!

    I first came across George Galloway after reading Thomas Sowell’s book “Black Rednecks and white liberals” where he made reference to the religious oratory skills of American Black Ministers as derivative of Scottish and English immigrants to the antebellum south. George Galloway was not mentioned in the book, but I was intrigue by this comparison and started looking for a Scotsman that could prove or disprove Sowell’s assertion. This is how I came across George and my God what a great orator he was in the British parliament.

    Here is what Sowell said in his book.

    Sowell begins by tracing the origins of black ghetto culture all the way back to the British Isles from which white American Southerners immigrated in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries. These particular immigrants, from the socially turbulent regions of the northern borderlands of England and the HIGHLANDS OF SCOTLAND, brought with them a set of pre-existing attitudes, values and behavioral patterns which, as Sowell points out, had nothing to do with the already existing American institution of slavery. These pre-existing attitudes formed the basis of a “redneck” or “cracker” culture, a culture consisting of “an aversion to work, proneness to violence, neglect of education, sexual promiscuity, improvidence, drunkenness, lack of entrepreneurship,… AND A STYLE OF RELIGIOUS ORATORY MARKED BY STRIDENT RHETORIC, UNBRIDLED EMOTIONS, AND FLAMBOYANT IMAGERY.” This was passed down to the white Southern descendants of these northern English and Scottish immigrants, and would soon become the cultural heritage of many Southern blacks.

    George Galloway (born 16 August 1954 in Dundee) is a British politician, author and talkshow host noted for his socialist views, confrontational style, and RHETORICAL SKILL.
    http://www.wikipedia.com

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    I must admit that I like to listen to Galloping George, but I think that not being expose to a TV until I was a teenager makes me pay more attention to the words than the delivery, and this is where I find many holes in George’ speech.

    …..I am assuming that David added George Galloway’ video to bolster some point or the other, so can we discuss the comments he made? or are we to go away glad, and hand clapping while saying what a great speech?

  27. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @AH…..You are unbelievable. I just couldn’t let you get away with this bilge. How the hell can you, a Black man actually write such drivel in support of these zionists bloodsuckers? Do they put food on your table or is it because you’re being mortgaged. You cut and paste crap crap here, why don’t you come with some clear thinking analysis and stop byting up this space with other people’s drivel. These same terroristic killers supported the killing of your black brothers and sisters in South Africa. They supplied the weapons and ‘intelligence,’ or you don’t give a damn about that! WWII did not pull any world out of depression, it just made the profiteers of war RICHER. ‘We have witness the near silence of Iran…….’ What shite are you speaking of? ‘We have an economic meltdown…….. ‘ Let me tell you a little something, America, the corporation is in bankruptcy and every 75 yrs these bloodsuckers/the bankers most of whom are zionists/jews (You can look that up yourself see who owns all the major banks and ‘federal reserves) come for their pound of flesh. Last time was in 1933, now 2008 they came back for their pound of flesh and their pint of BLOOD. So this is all by DESIGN. If you don’t know the gameplan they would appear smart to you.’You don’t think there’s a global……’ Keep dreaming. Do you know the capabilities of China or Russia? North Korea ‘was/is’ a terrorist regime with nuclear capabilities and flaunted it, why didn’t they go in?
    Why you trying to make fun at George Galloway? This man is on point!
    Look at that criminal who just MADEOFF with $50b. What is his ethnicity?
    You sit back there ha, ha, ha. I hope you have a little 2×3 somewhere on the rock cause Barat and his militia is getting to lay some martial law on your arse. You continue to sit around and laugh. A Black man like you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

  28. Adrian Hinds Avatar
    Adrian Hinds

    am Hopi is there particular counter point or counter data point, Historical or otherwise that you would like to share with the family, with the hope of leading us to a better understanding of Israel and the LEVANT’s past in the context of this current bloodletting and away from the ones i put up?

    I am not going to attempt to deal the rest of your contribution as it doesn’t appear to have much relevance to the topic at hand. 😀 lol!

    I gine and get my sweat. Read you when i get back???? ha ha ha ha lol!

  29. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    “Here is a list of most terrorist Israeli officials. Feel free to bombard them with your words of condemnation and pictures of their war crimes. [Hat tip: Shadia]
    Shimon Peres (president@president.gov.il); Ehud Olmert – Prime Minister (eulmert@knesset.gov.il); Ehud Barak – Deputy Prime Minister , Minister of Defense (minister@mod.gov.il); Tzipi Livni – Acting Prime Minister , Minister of Foreign Affairs (zlivni@knesset.gov.il); Abraham Dicter – Minister of Internal Security (adichter@knesset.gov.il); Ariel Atias – Minister of Communications (aatias@knesset.gov.il); Binyamin (Fouad) Ben-Eliezer Minister of National Infrastructure(binyaminb@knesset.gov.il); Eli Aflalo – Minister of Immigrant Absorption (eaflalo@knesset.gov.il); Eliyahu Yishai – Deputy Prime Minister , Minister of Industry, Trade, and Labor (eyishay@knesset.gov.il); Gideon Ezra – Minister of Environmental Protection (gezra@knesset.gov.il); Isaac Herzog – Minister of Welfare and Social Services.”

    For photos of Israel’s Genocide, visit Sabbah’s blog:-

    http://sabbah.biz/mt/

  30. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    “Here is a list of most terrorist Israeli officials. Feel free to bombard them with your words of condemnation and pictures of their war crimes. [Hat tip: Shadia]
    Shimon Peres (president@president.gov.il); Ehud Olmert – Prime Minister (eulmert@knesset.gov.il); Ehud Barak – Deputy Prime Minister , Minister of Defense (minister@mod.gov.il); Tzipi Livni – Acting Prime Minister , Minister of Foreign Affairs (zlivni@knesset.gov.il); Abraham Dicter – Minister of Internal Security (adichter@knesset.gov.il); Ariel Atias – Minister of Communications (aatias@knesset.gov.il); Binyamin (Fouad) Ben-Eliezer Minister of National Infrastructure(binyaminb@knesset.gov.il); Eli Aflalo – Minister of Immigrant Absorption (eaflalo@knesset.gov.il); Eliyahu Yishai – Deputy Prime Minister , Minister of Industry, Trade, and Labor (eyishay@knesset.gov.il); Gideon Ezra – Minister of Environmental Protection (gezra@knesset.gov.il); Isaac Herzog – Minister of Welfare and Social Services”

    Visit Sabbah’s blog for photos of Israel’s genocide:-

    http://sabbah.biz/mt/

  31. Carlos Avatar
    Carlos

    Adrian Hinds’ post from http://www.starfor.com as a dear friend and ‘black’ brother of mine said:

    “The propagandistic LIES and HALF truths stated as facts and as exposes against what is the REAL TRUTH faily make the blood boil…red herring distractions by the bushel on tangential points…strawmen nailed to and set up on suitable crosses (now, like the Appian way after the Spartacus slave rebellion, by the legion), ALL duly soaked in oil of slanderous ad hominems…Ignite same to distract from the tract of TRUTH, and to so cloud and poison the atmosphere that the resulting polarisation of the public who DON’T realise what is going on, makes it impossible for mant to see, or listen to the TRUTH.”

    Is This The Start Of World War III?

    The brother offers the following brief comments of this:

    “Wrong on all counts: this is the ONGOING WW IV, ever since 1979 with the rise to Iranian Mahdism sitting on the oil carotidartery Persian Gulf with tyrannical C7 mindset control of a state that was even then at the nuke threshold. And that was due to a foreign policy failure of Jimmy Carter, not exactly a republican.”

    “If you don’t know about the BLACK FLAG from Khorasan hadiths you don’t understand today’s headlines and affairs.”

    “Similarly, if you don’t know the significance of the year 1929 and the names Chaim Weismann and Feisal Hussein, you cannot correctly understand the course of events since then.”

    “Bluntly, we are dealing with competing ME-based nationalisms, compounded by the issue of Islamist global intent to dominate, not a reprise of Western colonialism and associated racism.”

    “Indeed, the real racism at work- note that Arabs etc., are 20% of Israel’s population and enjoy equality of rights before the law { with sole exception that such are NOT subject to conscrption} — is manifestly Arabic, targeting Jews, Chaldeans, Kurds, Berbers and other minorities all across the ME, and of course in the Sudan black Africans. It is compounded by the bigotry of Islamist supremacism.”

    “The 1919 post WWI settlements tried to settle such disputes by recognising minorities as nations, rather than as subject peoples of empires, insofar as reasonably possible. This is where the global wave of independence movements actually stem from; colonialism died from mortal wounds administered at Versailles.”

    “The Weismann- Feisal agreement sought a just Middle East settlement based on nationhood and historical roots, leading to collaboration in mutually supportive development. It was destroyed by the perfidy of European diplomatists on the one hand, and by hateful Islamist bigots on the other, starting with the Mufti of Jerusalem.”

    “Had the 1919 agreement been followed, the Jews who perished in Hitler’s holocaust, their treasures and talents would have joined with Arab oil and would have built a paradise in the Modern Middle East; but forces of chaos driven by envy and selfish ambition would have nothing of that.”

    ‘Bush Tea has noted the ominous silence of the BU family on the most recent events in the middle east, where the brilliantly logical Israeli’s are again employing their often tried tactic of bombing and killing their neighbours into co-operation.’

    The brother continues his sound analysis:

    “Tries the fallacy of moral equivalency: there is NO way that a decent, informed person can properly equate years of harassing artillery fire (rockets and mortar bombs) targetting civilians with surgical strikes that do kill some civilians, because the bombers of civilians hide behind their own civilians, to exploit their deaths for propaganda purposes. So BT and BU disqualify themselves from civil discourse at the outset. Clearly, their strategists are banking on the hope that this approach MUST work eventually – especially after decades of failure.”(Submitted on January 1, 2009 but was not picked-up by BU, sorry about that Bush Tea – David).

    “First, we should note that the first such attempts were: (1) the Syrians’ use of the Golan heights to bombard Galilee for 20 years, and (2) the Egyptian fostering of the first ‘terrorist’ groups from Gaza, by 1967, egged on by a USSR with its own ambitions, these states surrounded Israel with an iron ring of tanks, troops and blockades, which was broken by a desperate air strike against air bases and improvised armoured thrust in the Sinai (putting up reconditioned WWII Sherman tanks and a few reconditioned cast off Pattons and centurions against Soviet designs that were successors to the ones that defeated the German tanks that routinely made mincemeat of Shermans from North Africa to France).

    “Then Israel stopped the Jordanian bombardment of its cities and in the process, unwillingly captured East Jerusalem and the West Bank; they then pushed north against Syria and took out the heights.”

    “In 1973, they held on and as a result they stopped both the Fedayeen attacks and the artillery bombardment of civilians in the north. In any reasonable account that stands as success, success not gained by targetting civilians, but apposed militaries.”

    {BU, Clearly this is a situation, which has been refined by the US republican party}

    “Red herring.”

    {BU, where in the lead-up to a national election).

    “US election was in November.”

    {BU, Unpopular governments seek to rally national support for a ‘war’ against some unfortuante common foe- preferebly someone who can be labelled a ‘terrorist’.

    “Hamas is demonstrably a ‘terrorist’ organisation, which brought retribution on its head by re-starting rocket bombardment of civilians, instead of renewing a truce. This is consistent with eh hudna – temporay truce to rearm – concept of Islam, where there is no PEACE with those who are enemies of Islam, only at most a 10 year truce. It is only because in recent centuries Islamic powers have not had the strength to carry such out, that there has been a relative cessation of the global Jihad that started in C7.”

    {BU, The Israeli plan is obviously to build up the usual hype, kill a few Hamas ‘terrorist’}

    “Fallacy of moral equivalency and refusal to accept the truth about the evils of the side one plainly supports. So is it the case that BU and BT support the artillery bombardment of civilians? Let us know the truth and their collateral family members.

    “There is no evidence that Israel deliberatly targets civilians, but the converse, that they have taken extraordinary measures to avoid civilian casualities, indeed the report is they warned the said terrorist most recently killed to leave his house first, he did not and died with wives and children kept there AS HUMAN SHIELDS. A further, routine Hamas war crime by the way, behind whom they are hiding (in their homes). You admit it!”

    {BU, and wait for the USA to protect them in the UN while face saving ‘truce’ is negotiated).

    “The truces have more served Hamas’ interest than Israel’s; cf the Hudna concept again.”

    {BU The ruling party now confirmed at home and by the USA as ‘strong on terror.’}

    “Kadima is probably a lost cause. If the US were supporting the pary strongest on terror in Israel, it would support Likud or one of its sub-parties. But in fact, the US has respected the democratic process in Israel. Hamas – seized power in Gaza coup in 2005 (having won the elections),”

    {BU, and ‘able to protect the country’ would then be re-elected. That is the plan. Here is the reality.

    “And where do you come to know the plan? Or is this not Protocols of the Elders of Zion, 2009 edition?

    {BU, The current operation by Israel is going to finally bring militant Palestinian forces together. ( This happened 2 years ago in Lebanon for Hezbollah – but that seem to have been forgotton by Israel – or maybe the incumbent party REALLY desparate).

    “Red herring and in fact false: Abbas has actually hoped Israel would knock out Hamas, per evidence in hand.”

    “If Israel has enough time, it will break the military power of Hamas and so shift the balance of Arab Islamic opinion that the fusion of Islamist extremists and Mahdist eschatological hopes per the Black Flag Hadiths will be posponed as they have been century after century. Cf here the result of the Jan III Sobiesky – led cavalry xharge outside the gates of Vienna, Sept 12, 1683 (which is why the Sept 11, 201 attacks were on the anniversary of the previous high water mark of Islamist militancy…the day before its decisive defeat). Militant Islamism can only strategically defeated.”

    {BU, This will result in the overthrow – this year – of ALL the pro-western governments in the region – Egypt, Saudi Arabia…ALL…}

    “If B Hussein Obama pulls off a Carter 1979, that is possible but that would only surface the underlying Islamist militancy, and galvanize the Mahdist expectations in its cause. Where that leads is Ezekiel 35-39; the ultimate defeat at the hands of God on the mountains of Israel.”

    {BU A VERY powerful strongman will then emerge, powered by the unifying force generated by this current (and previous) Israeli action}

    “Yep, a would-be Mahdi, as doubtless Bin Laden hoped to be in Sept 2001.”

    {BU, by the USA’s Iraq debacle}

    “A “debacle” that defeated a mad dictator and stopped the rise of Iraqi nuke armed aggression, then induced the Libyans to surrender their Iraqi offshore programme and has led to the emergence of a better Iraqi state than the one that murdered 300,000 Iraqis. One that has bled white the Islamist armies that flocked thereto to overthrow what was emerging- a realistic free democratic state of Iraq as a beacon of hope in the Middle East – and then has now rolled back the terror campaign that followed that flocking to Iraq. An Iraq that if your counsels were followed, would descend into a dark night of barbarism, and re-emerge with nuke arms, as a province of an Iran led by a pretender to Mahdi status, by control of huge oil reserves, access to very sophisticated weapons.”

    “Well now, you come out and admit to the nuke etc ambitions of Iraq, Iran and Syria et al, don’t you! What would be the predictable consequences of arming such states with such weapons? Does it look better or worse than the current situation, in your opinion, why?

    “In short, multiply such nukes by the Mahdist Black Flag army visions and see where that leads. Do you not think that action to avert such a trend – even it it may yet fail – is a worthwhile effort? Or, are you one who refuses to trouble himself to think through the realistic issues and alternatives we face in a fallen world?”

    “Or, are you a fifth columnist worming his way into our confidence and sapping our will to resist an ideology that from C7 has proclaimed its global ambitions plainly and publicly, now backed up by 13 centuries of history you seem loathe to learn from.”

  32. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    Satan to the aid of Sin.

  33. ru4real Avatar
    ru4real

    Fool // January 12, 2009 at 2:08 pm

    and it’s all the Jews fault.

    Hatred of Jews is rampant at this site, led by Green Monkey and David BU. But at BU dating back to its links to antisemitic sites.

    When BU is finished Barbados will hate Jews (more). Thank you BU for sowing the seeds of hatred towards foreigners and minorities, including Jews.
    ————————————-
    Only if they are fools
    I think the people sowing this hatred are seriously disturbed people and their remarks ( about from showing up the IQ of a flea) are most likely to repel normal sensible Barbadians.

  34. Adrian Hinds Avatar
    Adrian Hinds

    Carlos, I am none the wiser after reading your contribution. You type my name, made reference to the source of historical data points i put up, and proceed to quote from A BROTHER OF YOURS, some statement about propaganda and half truths and Straw men etc. You then continue to quote from This Brother and end your contribution without refuting one data point i put up. Question fuh you! HOW DO I KNOW THAT YOUR “BROTHER” OF WHOM YOU QUOTE SO EXTENSIVELY, HOW ARE WE TO KNOW THAT this “BROTHER” ISN’T A STRAWMAN HIMSELF? AM I TO SIMPLY TRUST YOU?

    We are in WW4? What defines a World war? and what war/s can be concidered as world war three by this definition? Bush said the war on terror is world war 3 but I don’t think many people buy into that.

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    If I am critical of the US for its illegal invasion of Iraq and its war crimes does that mean I hate americans?

    am I “sowing hatred” ?

  36. Adrian Hinds Avatar
    Adrian Hinds

    Hopi // January 13, 2009 at 11:34 pm

    Satan to the aid of Sin.
    ==========================
    Hopi you calling me Satan? If so I shall see you some day, yes? ha ha ha ha ha

  37. Carlos Avatar
    Carlos

    Adrian, I don’t think HOPI was referring to you, “Satan to the aid of Sin.”

    But, yes, ‘Satan to the aid of Sin’ is correct as he is the ‘FATHER OF ALL LIES’ Allah, masquerading as god.

    Anti -Semitism has been a relentless fact of the history of the Jewish people, from their inception for over 3, 700 years, ever since Almighty God, the Father of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, declared His Sovereign intent to ‘bless’ all nations and people, through the ‘seed’ of Abraham, ultimately fulfilled in Messiah, The Lord Jesus Christ.

    Of course, this cannot be understood nor fathomed by those who have chosen to reject God’s Word, as Satan has blinded the minds of those who love not the ‘Truth’ and are therefore unable to discern the spiritual reality of what has been unfolding for centuries, exactly as foretold in God’s Word.

    AH, I don’t deal in deception or ‘Strawmen’ I detest liars and deception, and have Zero tolerance for ‘intellectual dishonesty’ which is patently demonstrated here on BU!

    Here are a few quotes as taken from MSA three-translation Quran, Surah 9:

    SWORD VERSE:

    009.005
    YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then FIGHT and SLAY the Pagans wherever ye FIND THEM, and SEIZE them, beleaguer them, and LIE IN WAIT in every strategem (0f war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

    VERSE OF TRIBUTE
    009.029
    YUSUFALI: Fight those who BELIEVE NOT in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth (Islam), (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

    As my dear friend and ‘black’ brother so correctly says:

    “Do you need details of what that means from 13 centuries of bloody and painful history? [Just research the topic Dhimmitude and learn from world expert on that, bat Y’eor. A scholar who dares not give out her real name, even when she occasionally lets us see her face. For, she still must have family in Egypt, within reach of the Muslim Brotherhood and other champions of “liberation”. BTW, Hamas is the Gazan wing of said brotherhood.]

    “Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it, BT and BU; and under the Islamic theology doctrine of abrogation, this last or last but one Surah abrogates and replaces all Irenic texts from the Meccan period when Mohammed did not have an army to back up his assertions and carry out his wishes. And ideology fuelled by revenge.

    “He hit back first” is not a justification for “revenge.”
    “Here we see that BT and BU utterly fail to understand Global Islamist agression since C7, much less, current Mahdist hopes and war.”

    “Just what type of war BT and BU? Is it not JIHAD to subjugate dar ul Harb under the domination of Dar ul Islam, and reduce ALL under the status of ‘Sharia’, i.e., make us at best Dhimmis, or slaves, or simply dead?”

    “Kindly explain how in recent decades sweet reason would have dissuaded A Hitler or a Stalin, or Stalin’s heirs. In fact it was refusal to stand up to the rising storm when it was relatively weak, that led to the bitter, costly wars that contained , then returned back these global threats in WWI and the undeclared WWII respectively.”

    “Do you prefer to have to confront a ‘nuke’ aemed Caliphate-cum Mahdi empire sitting on the world’s oil jugular? Or do you prefer to surrender into Dhimmitude and slavery instead? [Note, abolition of slavery in the West came directly out of the rise of widespread access to the Bible and its Gospel ethics; it was by and large imposed on Islamic states from without, and continues to this day in the shadows.}”

    Here are a few reminders of ‘Institutionalized Anti-Semitism.

    “The Resurrection of the dead will not come until the Muslims will WAR with the Jews and the Muslims will KILL them…the trees and rocks will say, ‘O Muslim, here is a Jew behind me, come and KILL HIM’” (The Prophet Mohammad).

    “The power struggle between Israel and Arabs is a long-term historical trial. Victory or defeat are for us questions of EXISTENCE or ANNIHILATION, the outcome of an irreconcilable hatred.” (Al Riyadh Saud, Founder of The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia).

    “The war is open until Israel CEASES TO EXIST and until the last Jew in the world is eliminated.” (Hamas Leader).

    You supporters of “Hamas’ and other Terrorists, Islamic Jihadists, have obviously NOT thought this crisis through properly, the historic ‘facts’ are all there emphatically showing the diabolic, satanic, hatred for the Jews, and thier right to ‘exist’ which is vehemently DENIED by the Islamists.

    So, does Isreal, have any other option but to defend themselves against the historic INTENT of Islam to destroy and annihilate them off the face of the earth?

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    Carlos,

    have christians ever been anti semitic or just the muslims?

  39. Adrian Hinds Avatar
    Adrian Hinds

    Carlos i continue to be confuse by your contributions here. Are you taking issue with my quotes from Stratfor?

  40. Carlos Avatar
    Carlos

    Adrian, no, my last post was essentially dealing with Bush Tea, BU and obviously others who are clearly Anti-Semitic, and ignorant to the historic reality of this ancient conflict, OR have wilfully chosen NOT to reason, on the basis of sound, objective, critical thinking, re the hard facts!

  41. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @AH… Actually, Carloss=Satan, You=Sin. But won’t that be some honourable company!

  42. Adrian Hinds Avatar
    Adrian Hinds

    @Carlos: Thanks for the clarification, i just wanted to be absolutely sure of what i was reading.

    @Hopi: I can tell you didn’t like math at school. 🙂 If Carlos and I share some of the same properties then you and I “aint gine add up”. I gine apply some long division to your comments so that you can see the zero’s in your thoughts. lol!

  43. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @AH……No need to ‘play yaself.’ Somewhere,somehow,something got lost in translation. It has nothing to do with your bogus numbering system, more like chemistry i.e combining like qualities for the perfect solution i.e satan+sin. Still does not negate the fact that you should be ashamed of yourself as a BLACK Man.

  44. Adrian Hinds Avatar
    Adrian Hinds

    @Hopi
    ha ha ha ha ha Hopi if you only knew how much I love myself you would see that it is hopeless that i could ever feel shame, all by myself, about myself. But tell me more about this group (black man) that you have place me in. Is entry define by skin color only? and once i am in i am not allowed to think for myself, or gravitate towards those opinions that i believe are defined by history, and other events that can be checked and varified? Who is pulling the thought processs string of the Black man? Galloping George Galloway? From your earlier comments it seems to me that if i had agreed with him you would not have called my “blackness” into question.

  45. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @AH… I called your melanin into to question because of your support for the zionist beasthood. I actually thought of offering you an OLIVE branch, but on 2nd thought I take that back since your blood-letting friend has bulldozed them all. I wish you true enlightenment.

  46. Adrian Hinds Avatar
    Adrian Hinds

    Hopi // January 14, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    @AH… I called your melanin into to question because of your support for the zionist beasthood. I actually thought of offering you an OLIVE branch, but on 2nd thought I take that back since your blood-letting friend has bulldozed them all. I wish you true enlightenment.
    ===========================

    wuh sound real powerfull though nuh!

    .I called your ……..into question!
    .I thought of ……an olive branck!
    .I wish you true enlightement!

    …but tell me how you have gathered from comments thus far in this thread that i support the Zionist beasthood?????

  47. Avatar
    Anonymous

    @ Carlos…

    Can you tell me if these quotes are lies or half-truths?

    You can also ask your ‘brother’.

    MORE QUOTES…

    “We must expel Arabs and take their places.”
    — David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.

    “There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”
    — Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp. 121-122.

    “Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.”

    — David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p. 99.

    “Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country.”
    — David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky’s Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan’s “Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.

    “If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel.”
    — David Ben-Gurion (Quoted on pp 855-56 in Shabtai Teveth’s Ben-Gurion in a slightly different translation).

    David Ben Gurion
    Prime Minister of Israel
    1949 – 1954,
    1955 – 1963

    “There is no such thing as a Palestinian people… It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn’t exist.”
    — Golda Meir, statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969.

    “How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to.”
    — Golda Meir, March 8, 1969.

    “Any one who speaks in favor of bringing the Arab refugees back must also say how he expects to take the responsibility for it, if he is interested in the state of Israel. It is better that things are stated clearly and plainly: We shall not let this happen.”
    — Golda Meir, 1961, in a speech to the Knesset, reported in Ner, October 1961

    “This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy.”
    — Golda Meir, Le Monde, 15 October 1971

    Golda Meir
    Prime Minister of Israel
    1969 – 1974

    “We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?’ Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said ‘Drive them out!”
    — Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

    “[Israel will] create in the course of the next 10 or 20 years conditions which would attract natural and voluntary migration of the refugees from the Gaza Strip and the west Bank to Jordan. To achieve this we have to come to agreement with King Hussein and not with Yasser Arafat.”
    — Yitzhak Rabin (a “Prince of Peace” by Clinton’s standards), explaining his method of ethnically cleansing the occupied land without stirring a world outcry. (Quoted in David Shipler in the New York Times, 04/04/1983 citing Meir Cohen’s remarks to the Knesset’s foreign affairs and defense committee on March 16.)

    Yitzhak Rabin
    Prime Minister of Israel
    1974 – 1977,
    1992 – 1995

    “[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs.”

    — Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, “Begin and the ‘Beasts,”‘ New Statesman, June 25, 1982.

    “The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized …. Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever.”
    — Menachem Begin, the day after the U.N. vote to partition Palestine.

    Menachem Begin
    Prime Minister of Israel
    1977 – 1983

    “The past leaders of our movement left us a clear message to keep Eretz Israel from the Sea to the River Jordan for future generations, for the mass aliya (=Jewish immigration), and for the Jewish people, all of whom will be gathered into this country.”
    — Former Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir declares at a Tel Aviv memorial service for former Likud leaders, November 1990. Jerusalem Domestic Radio Service.

    “The settlement of the Land of Israel is the essence of Zionism. Without settlement, we will not fulfill Zionism. It’s that simple.”
    — Yitzhak Shamir, Maariv, 02/21/1997.

    “(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers … heads smashed against the boulders and walls.”
    — Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

    Yizhak Shamir
    Prime Minister of Israel
    1983 – 1984,
    1986 – 1992

    “Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories.”
    — Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.

    Benjamin Netanyahu
    Prime Minister of Israel
    1996 – 1999

    “The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more”….
    — Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time – August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000

    “If we thought that instead of 200 Palestinian fatalities, 2,000 dead would put an end to the fighting at a stroke, we would use much more force….”
    — Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, quoted in Associated Press, November 16, 2000.

    “I would have joined a terrorist organization.”
    — Ehud Barak’s response to Gideon Levy, a columnist for the Ha’aretz newspaper, when Barak was asked what he would have done if he had been born a Palestinian.

    Ehud Barak
    Prime Minister of Israel
    1999 – 2001

    “It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands.”

    — Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

    “Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours…Everything we don’t grab will go to them.”
    — Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.

    “Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial.”

    — Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online

    Ariel Sharon
    Prime Minister of Israel
    2001 – present

  48. Fool Avatar
    Fool

    So what do you wish to do: Drive out the Israelis, or make peace by compromise and to live side by side?

    You can go back as far as your Nahkba and still fight, or you can come to the modern world and take care of the citizens and humans who you *say* you care about. Which is it?

    It is a miracle that no more than 1000 human beings have so far been killed in the Gaza conflict. Will you help kill millions in this futile effort, sacrifice those who you have saved and bred for death in your refugee camps all this time, never offering them a place in the limitless, oil-rich Arabian world??

    Are you too not also part of the terminal problems in the Middle East?

    Can you stomach touching something that a Jew also touched? Do you think that your kind and your ways are somehow cleaner and better than anyone else’s?

    Do you not teach the same things that you point to above (out of their contexts), don’t you say *kill the Jews*, *drive them out* in your prayer meetings, in your Palestinian schools daily, in many places? Do you say it here? Do you wish to make a Jewish problem *here* and then find a *solution*?

    You go back drawing from aged texts without context or reasoning: Where is Israel on your maps?

    Did Arafat not ratify the Israel-less maps in the textboooks, those without Israel, at the same time he was supposedly making peace at Oslo? Didn’t his successors reprint them with even less conciliatory text?

    Do Israelis teach ethnic cleansing of Palestinians? The same way that Palestinians are teaching their children ethnic cleansing of Israelis?

    By what road to peace– war until victory, or war until eternity?

  49. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    @Fool
    What did the Israelis do when they came?

    @Anonymous
    You should also let Carlos know that there is a fairly substantial lobby in Israel against this aggression and it is spreading fast.

    Israeli citizens are saying that their Government is taking their country to extinction. All they are seeing is obliteration from the face of the earth.

    Of course, Israeli Government is not letting us see the demonstrations going on. Not sure what the army is doing to quell them, but they are highly vocal and swelling according to reports reaching me from Israeli citizens themselves.

    I will send out another query and see if I get an answer, but my NGO counterparts are mobilising on the ground. Will let you know. I would not be surprised that the casualties they may be showing as Palestinian attacks, may very well be Israeli attacks on its own citizens.

  50. Only me Avatar
    Only me

    I think BT is spot on in this article and i also think a third world war is on the Horizon

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