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Submitted by Grenville Phillips II
Draft plan of new National Stadium

In 1966, the Government or Barbados wanted urgent temporary stands at the Garrison to accommodate spectators of our Independence ceremony. Barbadian Engineers designed the prefabricated reinforced concrete stands which were constructed just in time. After our independence, those stands were dismantled and became part of our National Stadium, where they have stood for the past 57 years.

It appears that China has offered to demolish our National Stadium and rebuild another – as a gift to Barbados. That would seem to be a good thing. In underdeveloped and desperate countries, anyone opposing such a gift would likely be publicly criticised, ridiculed and persecuted to appease their Chinese benefactors. But we are not an undeveloped country.

TROJAN HORSES AND SHEEP.

In a developed country like Barbados, the Government should consider whether such gifts are in the national interest before accepting them on our behalf. The question that the Government must ask before accepting any gift is: ‘Is this a Trojan Sheep?’ A Trojan Horse is designed to harm a nation militarily. A Trojan Sheep is designed to harm it economically.

Some Trojan Sheep are obvious. If China gifted any of the following services to Barbados, the Government would immediately find them offensive. Further, local professional associations would kick-up dust at the brazen attempt to trick us with such obvious Trojan Sheep that are clearly designed to starve local industries into bankruptcy.

a) Chinese lawyers must do all commercial law cases and leave the criminal law cases for Barbadian attorneys.

b) Chinese dentists must extract all molars and premolars and leave extractions of the remaining teeth for Barbadian dentists.

c) Chinese accountants must provide accounting services to all large and medium sized businesses and leave accounting services of small businesses for Barbadian accountants.

d) Chinese surgeons must do all major surgeries and leave minor surgeries and amputations for Barbadian doctors.

e) Chinese mechanics must service and repair all trucks and busses and leave car maintenance for Barbadian mechanics.

CONSTRUCTION ISSUES.

To understand the relevance of these examples to the National Stadium, two issues need to be understood about the construction industry. The first is that Engineers, Architects and Contractors normally need to work on a similar project within the last five to ten years to qualify to tender on that type of project.

The second is that many small Caribbean countries only have one national: airport, seaport, stadium, gymnasium, referral hospital and major highway. Therefore, opportunities to work on such projects are not common.

ESTABLISHED PRECEDENT.

When the Grantley Adams International Airport’s terminals, which opened in 1979, were being constructed, the work was divided into over 30 separate construction contracts. This allowed Barbadian contractors to tender, and get the work-experience necessary to pre-qualify them to work on other airports in the Caribbean for the next ten years.

When I was a project manager of the Kensington Oval’s design, we divided the project into separate contracts to allow as many Barbadian Engineering and Architectural companies as possible to work on that project. That pre-qualified them to work on other stadiums in the Caribbean for the next five years.

AN ACTUAL GIFT.

If China really wanted to give us a gift, then they may give us the funds with specific conditions. They may specify that all imported materials must be sourced from China, and provide close oversight and approval of each design and construction stage before funds are disbursed. But they should not disqualify Barbadian Engineers, Architects and Contractors from designing and building Barbados’ National Stadium.

Currently, the Trojan Sheep appears to be designed to ensure that Chinese companies will have no competition from Barbadian or Caribbean companies in the design and construction of stadiums in the Caribbean. China has built stadiums in: Antigua and Barbuda, Bahamas, Dominica, Jamaica, St Lucia, Grenada, and Suriname. Our unsustainable debt seems to have made us the next ripe low hanging fruit.

If the Government’s deliberate aim is to secure the Caribbean construction market for China, by automatically disqualifying Barbadian Engineers, Architects and Contractors from tendering on projects, then they should accept, slaughter, cook – and choke on that mutton. If that is not their intent, then they must renegotiate the terms of that ‘gift’ so that it is not a Trojan Sheep – or say ‘No thanks’.

Grenville Phillips II is a Doctor of Engineering and a Chartered Structural Engineer. He can be reached at NextParty246@gmail.com 


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158 responses to “Choking on Mutton”


  1. While our point of departure must be that the writer has a measure of expertise in this area and article, which vastly outstrips ours.

    And having previously urged that matters within the writer’s skills, competencies and capabilities should be the ones written about as is the central theme of George Lammings’ teachings, as a firm philosophical position, comveys an authenticity consistent with higher learning.

    It would be no less than hypocritical to not reckonize this factoid, like many here serially do. Notwithstanding, that even such a writer has been previously deemed to be a hypocrite.

    A hypocrite in a world where one cannot agree with Mia Mottley on the IMF business, early on, but disagree with her on almost everything else since. Until now it seems.

    Is this hypocrisy or is it about the war rhectoric about trojan horses or trojan sheep. Yes, the Chinese are not perfect. But they do what they promise and in a hard- nosed fashion expect their partners to do similarly, without lame excuses, which represent national ethos in Barbados.

    However, there has to be a universe where countries are free to have development models which suit them, derived from their own culture. Indeed, that’s the very nature of the projection of soft power. Beggars were never choosers.

    The Chinese built the gynasium a few decades ago and there was no need for this mealy-mouthed general operational structure a beggar nation would have sought to impose on them.

    As far as we are aware there were no issues of costs overruns, and the like, which bedeviled all mega-projects in Barbados and elsewhere. In any event, even if they were, they would have to be dealt with by the government of China. It may well represent a superior cost-benefit structure for Barbados to so guarantee the absence of costs overruns, internal political considerations, and the like.

    Indeed, that China wants to have its business people do the work is not at all unique. Almost every donor nation invariably insists that their corporates benefit from such projects. When Barbados gets money from the Americans or Europeans a similar structure is involved.

    As someone who knows, the Chinese have their system. They do not run down behind any country to deal with them. And are imbued with the national determination to take a pass if any country would want them to deviate from their development model to the extent where an unbalanced model is to be accepted.

    In total, this article, although within the wheelhouse of the writer, is predicated on a militarism hatched in the West and propagated by CNN which is designed to stop the rise of China, as irrational claims are made by minions.

    We suggest that the architects, engineers, and others imbued with the ideas of obeisance to the Western ways of being should seek the help of such masters. For with them there shall be no trojan horses or trojan sheep, in like minds, at least.

  2. Yolande Grant - African Online Publishing Copyright (c) 2023. All Rights Reserved. Avatar
    Yolande Grant – African Online Publishing Copyright (c) 2023. All Rights Reserved.

    Dont understand the narrative, ya TIEF the money over decades ALL AH DEM…, not you Grenville..

    .. then have to beg for a gift of a stadium….no reason for complaints or regrets, ya tief the money remember, tief not want/need not.

    See the problem i have with complainers…YOU SAT AND ENABLED IT, allowed it to happen all those decades, said NOT ONE WORD…did not EXPOSE the crooks and their human rights disabling corruption STILL WON’T …what good is saying anything passively now….

    I dont have Pacha’s skill of scholarly literary finesse..wont even try, this is what you will get.

  3. performance theatre Avatar
    performance theatre

    As a performance theatre, Team Barbados has been doing poorly in sports like they are trying to lose, like they really mean it. Lose like you live, with all your heart and soul.

    The draft stadium plan looks like an open field with a fancy stand and a roof on one side and a smaller open stand opposite for the poorer other half of spectator class.

    The best deal proposal (tender) to undertake, or manage the undertaking of a construction project on the table will be accepted and China’s funding and building project fits the bill. This should be balanced out with a cheaper local alternative such as a more natural open air field of sports dreams.

  4. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    @GPII
    The Chinese operate THEIR way. A project which may otherwise cost $100M, they can build for $50M.
    They are not about providing locals with employment or tolerating cost overruns or dealing with local unions or precedents. Or providing local contractors with a pre-qual resume.
    They will use their professionals, their workers, their equipment and their materials. If you don’t like it, say no thanks, and build it another way?
    China rose to Int’l prominence by building/manufacturing anything at a lower cost than others. Companies don’t locate there because it’s more expensive?
    When all is said and done, Bajans know China built the Gym. Do they know who paid for the airport or Spring Garden Hwy?
    There are some very logical reasons for how they operate.


  5. So, why do we need a new stadium?

    Why did we spend multiple fortunes on Kensington for the World Cup?

    Why did we need a gymnasium?

    How many gymnasts have we produced since we got the gymnasium?

    How many athletes has the old stadium produced?

    … and what has happened to our cricketers? … any Garry Sobers of late?

    Look, the only athletes we produce practice, train and perform overseas.

    We don’t need an ffing stadium!!


  6. … we got far bigger problems to solve.


  7. Grenville is casting pearls to swine here.

    Beggars who are cursed with inherently mendicant minds, are unable to appreciate the national human development aspect of the moot.

    The traditional Euro-centric albino-type colonizers subdued us vi et armis and turned us into chattel for 400 years… we are now barely seeing an out..

    True….China never set a military foot against God’s people or occupied a square mile of our land, HOWEVER, this oriental brand of colonizer uses an even more astute form of subjugation that is economic, and it has been particularly effective against materialistic mendicants – like we have become…

    China’s tactics are so effective, that they now outdo the original slave-masters at their OWN game. China practically OWNS the USA…and the other albino types… by employing this economic weapon…

    Grenville is calling for a level of maturity and SELF-RESPECT from Bajan leaders that is tantamount to asking the Devil to do good deeds….

    But we just wants MONEY… any kinda money, at any kinda cost.

    So rather than learn from our 400 years of suffering, that justice and FREEDOM is linked to dependence on GOD, and on our OWN self reliance, we run from one colonizer to an even more effective albino-centric operator.
    It is not that we don’t have the competence and resources, but that we have TOO many thieves and incompetents in authority.

    MUCH easier to get ‘gifts’ from China… more in the kitty to be stolen – perhaps ‘North West Construction’ will be revived to complete the steal buildings…
    Steupsss…
    Brass bowls will be brass bowls, and they seem to be well suited for use as ‘topsies’….


  8. The Chinese built Queen’s College also. We can’t debate these issues philosophically or academically given where we are today. We have the weight of heavy debt on our backs which the pandemic made heavier. While carrying the weight we have to find ways ti continue to engage in institutional strengthening. How can we do that given current conditions?


  9. Does one measure the usefulness in a stadium my your yardstick? What about the process/journey to achieve the best that one can be? When the young see the infrastructure does it help to energize them with a feeling the leadership of a country cares?


  10. @Bush Tea

    Come down, a pragmatic approach is required at this time. This is not the time for nebulous stuff…lol.


  11. Pragmatism is the main motivator for many people who become prostitutes…..
    Moral and self-respect issues often seem to lack a pragmatic approach.
    Bushie wonders how you advise those under your care to set their priorities?
    It is much easier for your daughter to accept a gift from a smiling, willing stranger than it is to sacrifice and scrunt for a year or two…. how do you advise her to go…?


  12. NorthernObserver on July 18, 2023 at 7:07 AM said:
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    @GPII
    The Chinese operate THEIR way. A project which may otherwise cost $100M, they can build for $50M.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The other 50 million is left over to grease palms and buy things like votes in the UN in support of China’s positions.

    Even the President of the United States of America has been bought by China, what you think will happen here?


  13. @Bush Tea

    There is a place for a mix of approaches given what is confronting you.


  14. @Bush Tea

    You viewed the video of teenagers scuffling with the police on Friday night because they were shutout from Teen Mass fete? There is a very pragmatic way to deal with it don’t you think?

  15. 【学国学网】【Study Chinese Network】 Avatar
    【学国学网】【Study Chinese Network】

    Mandarin has the most native speakers in the world. As China’s economy grows, the language is rising in popularity, so why not learn Chinese …

    learning Mandarin will give children ‘significant’ career boost …


  16. @ David
    There IS a place for people in this world who are willing to sell themselves for the right price… after all it takes all kinds…

    BUT NOT STINKING BUSHIE….

  17. Yolande Grant - African Online Publishing Copyright (c) 2023. All Rights Reserved. Avatar
    Yolande Grant – African Online Publishing Copyright (c) 2023. All Rights Reserved.

    Children should study as many foreign languages as capable. Particularly the Afrikan Kiswahili….mother tongue.


  18. Bushie

    You are quite right. There is no room within pragmatism for moral considerations.

    And those you consider themselves pragmatists, of any type, are basically saying that there is no ‘moral minimum’ for them.

    Of course, you are absolutely wrong about the Chinese. We urge you to dispense with misconceived notions and revisit these issues.

    We’re not asking you to become Chinese are blindly fall in love with them. Just to dispassionately revisit your understandings about China.

  19. William Skinner Avatar
    William Skinner

    To say that we have done poorly in sports is quite distant from the truth.
    Under the most trying circumstances we have produced world class body builders and weight lifters, who trained in back yard gyms.
    We have jockeys all over the world. We cannot ignore our world draughts champion. Cricket speaks for itself. Many of our young footballers are securing overseas contracts. In women’s cricket we have produced leading players. We once dominated table tennis; we also did quite well in cycling. We have in recent times seen progress in badminton, car racing and surfing.
    Our athletes are gaining strength.
    It’s amazing that we have done so creditably without any truly cohesive sports program and an embarrassing lack of facilities. Boxing is a perfect example. We also had some success in lawn tennis. I remember a few years back one of our players qualified for the US open. A Barbadian is in very high office in international tennis.
    We once had a superb national football captain , who was a bell man at a hotel. An American tourist almost fainted when being introduced, on a social occasion, to the gentleman.
    It was asked: How can your National football captain be working lifting up bags.
    And it is known that our athletes who do well overseas always reflect and praise their local coaches who got them on the way.


  20. Fine Bush Tea, you will paddle alone.

  21. Alkebulan “mother of mankind” Avatar
    Alkebulan “mother of mankind”

    There is a place in this world for Barbadians to feel at home
    It is called Alkebulan “mother of mankind”

    (Romans called it “Africa”)


  22. Not quite ‘alone’…..

    …recall Bushie’s adoption…???


  23. @Bush Tea

    The issue with your position is that you never anchor in the reality of what is before you. Trying to implement impractical solutions will never work so what is the point? Operating in a system of man made constructs (secular) necessitates the application of practical solutions at times. This is what being pragmatic is all about, human values is always a moving/soft target to be a sole measure of action taking:


  24. I agree. Its a white elephant. We have more important things to invest in…like education in programming, stem and promoting business opportunities for black bajans in the African continent.


  25. The damn stadium is being grant funded for crissakes.


  26. Pacha
    Bushie LOVES and highly admires the Chinese peoples.
    Even their economic and engineering global thrust has been nothing short of a joy to a bushman heart.

    Compared to the history of the Euro-albino-centric Empire’s selfish, greedy and materialistic approach to Jah’s peoples, China’s has been nothing short of honorable.

    BUT when you KNOW the actual POTENTIAL of Jah people, and you see instead, begging, poverty, subservience and NO self-esteem…

    How does a Bushman not get vexed as shiite??

    Anyway, Isaiah has explained the WHOLE sequence being unveiled…

    – God himself chooses a set of black brass bowls designed to shine like the sun.
    – Brass Bowls CHOOSE instead to wallow in the jobby of materialism and falls prey to the masters of materialism
    – These materialistic masters behave like they made themselves (when they are but tools being used to fix the chosen) for generations..
    – So a DIFFERENT set of materialistic masters (China /Russia) will be used to teach the albino-centric ‘bad-boys’ THEIR lesson in reparations (coming shortly to a news network near you)
    – Finally some of the brass bowls will AWAKEN (a precious few) and a NEW global dispensation will be built – upon the principles of LOVE and Righteousness

    No need to believe Bushie OR Isaiah…. just hang on a few more months / years…. eg avoid the covid ‘vaccine’ LOL..

    Behold THIS generation shall not pass before these are fulfilled…


  27. Speak for yourself Boss….

    REALITY is a spiritual concept.
    Temporary, physical existence is but an illusion, designed a PROJECT with very specific, and temporary objectives.

    If you don’t get THAT, then no point in our arguing…

  28. William Skinner Avatar
    William Skinner

    @ Bushie
    “ BUT when you KNOW the actual POTENTIAL of Jah people, and you see instead, begging, poverty, subservience and NO self-esteem…”
    Well put ! We cannot have any serious discussion without alluding to the above.


  29. @Bush Tea

    Spiritual or religious? With you the concepts are blurry.

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    Yolande Grant – African Online Publishing Copyright (c) 2023. All Rights Reserved.

    Knowing our history, our ancestry, the FULL STORY.. there was absolutely no reason for this in the last hundred years, but craven politicians with the stench of wannabeism caused it.

    Marcus Garvey tried to show them, and later Kwame Ture and others, all banned from the island while they cultivated and perfected the art of begging, borrowing and depending…

    ….comes the 21st century and that’s still all they do while KNOWING for decades now that it’s EVEN MORE UNNECESSARY today, given what I and others have found out…..and that’s why NONE of them or their supporters can be trusted.

    I would release them and put them out to sea, them and their dependants let them finally know what independence and standing on one’s own two feet and fending for themselves is, let’s see if they still run around in laziness shopping for slave masters…..begging/borrowing breeds too many scams.

    They were in the right environment for decades to figure certain things out and didnt…the plight of the 11plus mind.

  31. Yolande Grant - African Online Publishing Copyright (c) 2023. All Rights Reserved. Avatar
    Yolande Grant – African Online Publishing Copyright (c) 2023. All Rights Reserved.

    Bushman…despite the last few months of turbulence during transition, it took me all of a few days to realize what they missed in 30 years of being an employee of Empire..because that was not why they went there, or would have seen it clearly RIGHT AWAY…they better figure it out…that’s the bed they made.

    ..i dont do conflicts of interest…and they and i are not friends anyway..so no connection and the two will never meet..

    The blame lies solely with them as we well know, others can fool them selves otherwise and keep on depending…that too is a choice.


  32. The existing national stadium is a disgrace. Now we have seen the design for the proposed new stadium designed and to be built by our Chinese friends. What do the BU family think?

    Which fool would propose in their brief that it was unnecessary to provide an adequate roof to protect all spectators from the elements: rain and sun.

    Which fool would propose a stadium with minimum seat coverage. What of the capacity of the stadium? I would be shocked if it could fit more than a few thousand spectators.

    The proposed NATIONAL STADIUM is the sort of thing one
    would see at a small provincial backwater location.

    Where is the ambition of our leaders? How in the name of the father do they expect to allow this design to become our national stadium. What a disgrace!


  33. The proposed stadium in the photo is already obsolete. This is how we operate in Barbados and explains why we will always remain an indebted people.


  34. More rubbish. Cricketers are some of the richest Bajans in Barbados. Leh dah sink in. No stadium? The government needs to build a stadium. Build a stadium, we don’t need one. John white right?


  35. TLSN

    Look up the word PHASES in the dictionary. As usual, nothing good to say. Some of the same structures exist in your perfect country.


  36. Enuff
    Bloggers would RELISH the opportunity to say something POSITIVE about what your BLP people are doing…
    But, what good is there to be said – about shiite?

    At EVERY turn, you and yours seem to represent begging, pleading, groping and borrowing.

    Every National Asset has been pawned…

    The BEST you can promise the youth is a pick in a hotel as a waiter or accountant.

    You run to the Dutch to fix leaky pipes – while appointing incompetents to the BWA Boards..

    You run to China to design, finance and build Steal houses and now a Stadium –
    all this when we have architects, engineers, builders and millions in bank savings – looking for investment.

    Why don’t YOU lead us off with a ‘feel good’ story – other than some shiite about some idiot wukking up at crop-over…

  37. Concrete Bungle Avatar
    Concrete Bungle

    Living in a grey cold cloudy miserable Concrete Jungle,
    I can see the beauty and charm in underdevelopment

    Must be somewhere (sweet life) to be found (somewhere, somewhere for me)
    Instead of a concrete jungle
    Where the living is harder (in a concrete)
    Concrete jungle (jungle)
    Oh man, you’ve got to do your best, yeah
    No chains around my feet but I’m not free
    I know I am bound here in captivity
    And I’ve never known happiness
    And I’ve never known sweet caresses
    Still, I be always laughing like a clown


  38. @Bush Tea

    Will local players build and finance the stadium for free?

  39. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    Or build another elsewhere, a two for one?
    POTUS? You mean the entire country. And the USA, and others, are spending billions in subsidies to attract manufacturing, away from China because their input costs are too high.


  40. Bushie 1:41

    As a general argument weee agree!

    For a free stadium is not going to make an iota of difference to the degenerate political culture in the country.

    Beyond bragging rights cum next silly season.

    It makes it worse!

    And this culture extends to business, all areas.

    That a woman who won an unprecedented 30 -0 twice can do no more that pander to the same people in the same ways certainly tells us that we’re again going nowhere fast.

    For until the country can find a way to make a living which does involved the unacceptable behaviors described by you ‘the eagle gone ….. all gone’.


  41. Bushie

    There is no correlation of local forces which could successfully build out such a project without cost overruns, political patronage, inordinate delays, quality issues, and the like. Not at this time. If you disagree, tell the blog the exception to this rule. Where has this been done?

  42. Yolande Grant - African Online Publishing Copyright (c) 2023. All Rights Reserved. Avatar
    Yolande Grant – African Online Publishing Copyright (c) 2023. All Rights Reserved.

    Just saw a comment stating:

    “Karma never forgets an address.”

    And with so much deserved retribution…it’s a foregone conclusion.


  43. “Too far gone.”

    That was the punchline of a joke that made the rounds in my salad years, it involved a man who went to a doctor looking for a remedy to a problem he had and when the physician recommended a drastic solution the man demurred, at which time the doctor proposed a seemingly easier fix but the result was the same as if he had taken the dire step. At which time the doctor said, “too far gone”.

    GP11 leans into the fable of “Beware of Greeks bearing gifts” let me step into another one, GP11 is aspiring to be the Dutch boy with his finger in the dike trying to hold back the raging waters. I don’t see anyone else willing to step up to the plate with a matching gift thus the Gov’t no doubt would have been familiar with the phrase “Never look a gift horse in the mouth” and will jump in with both feet while shouting “how soon can you build it”? The “Flying fish stadium” has a nice ring to it, similar to the Birds” nest stadium” (another one of China’s creations) but while it wouldn’t host an Olympic event it could certainly host regional games and if you build it, they will come. Can’t see anyone having a fit about the name except maybe Trinidad which may be trying to soothe their Tobago brethren feelings (after all de flying fish belong to we)

    Back to the original point, China is so deeply immersed in Bajan affairs that any notion of refusing the gift is “too far gone”

    BTW when is the opening of Wyndham scheduled?


  44. @Sargeant

    You mean Sam Lord’s Castle?

    Now publicized as 30 September 2023, another Chinese construction job.


  45. @David
    My point exactly, the Chinese have been involved in construction in Barbados for years why balk now?


  46. @Sargeant

    Grenville seems to be saying the country missing an opportunity to feed local talent with the project. How is this possible with a brokeass government?


  47. @ David
    Thou should not tempt an adopted son of the Great Father…. LOL

    Free? ..is THAT what you want…?
    “What sweeten goat mout..”

    Did you think that the Chinese ‘gifts’ are free..?

    …so did the USA and Europe back when they smiled at the cheap quality goods, and when all their manufacturing went East to ‘benefit’…
    Now their leaders are going East …to BEG for mercy…

    Latest was Mia’s pal Jan Yellen…. BEGGING in vain that the US dollar be spared…

    Don’t you get that Grenville is talking about DEVELOPING LOCAL TALENTS… perhaps so that a brilliant UNIQUE stadium design – BEST SUITED FOR SIDS could become a global niche market for a set of innovative local professionals

    ..for example?

    Yawn… Lord, give us strength!
    …and deliver Bushy from temptation….


  48. Pacha..
    You are correct.
    However,
    ….unless this is changed URGENTLY, all hope is lost.

    For all his faults, Grenville is someone who has the balls needed to execute such a project in the face of the political skullduggery that PERMEATES our business landscape.

    …and who can break the back of this local ‘Steel Industry’ led by our politicians and lawyers.

    Certainly none of the regular suspects (such as Malmoney) would even consider such a mission…


  49. If you don’t set the parameters of any relationship early, then you must be prepared to live with the ensuing results.

    Too late (shall be your cry)


  50. Bushie
    I ain’t lie tho.

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