Sweet Sunday Sermon – Pondering in Philemon

Submitted by Dr. GP

INTRODUCTION
• I have a great fascination with the short, one chapter books of the New Testament, and always teach them first in any program on which I embark.
• My love relationship with the book of Philemon began in 1977, when I first studied this gem to teach its truths to the young people of Mona Heights Chapel at a weekend camp that was to have been convened to celebrate my return home to Barbados from among these Brethren with whom I served while a medical student in Kingston, Jamaica.

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  • We hope when Pachamama takes Her vengeance against those who would despoil the youth with lies that there is no gnashing of teeth.

    The hottest fires are reserved for this Porgy.

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  • The Most High God intentionally chooses the most unlikely people to accomplish His purposes: a destitute lowly teenage girl with no resources as the mother of God in the flesh; dirt poor carpenter Joseph as the foster father; young uneducated shepherd boys as the first missionaries, two elderly people in the temple near death as the first witnesses; and three wealthy kings who lived 1,000 miles away, as the first worshippers. Scripture constantly reminds us He does not call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Notice all the poor people responded immediately. He does not save the self-sufficient, and proudly self-reliant, but only the needy who know they need a Savior.

    Although there were others in Jerusalem looking for redemption, The Lord in His infinite wisdom, chose to reveal the Messiah only to Mary and Joseph, the fetus John the Baptist still in the womb; two very old folks in the temple on the verge of death; several young, poor, shepherd boys; and a few very wealthy Gentile wise men in a distant country. All of them are the most unlikely people chosen for revelation.

    Two thousand years later, you are indeed blessed, that the Holy Spirit of God has revealed God’s salvation, the Messiah, to you. The thoughts of many hearts are now revealed! Herod’s heart was certainly revealed when he heard the news! He was ready to kill Christ. All the evil spirits recognized him, but not one evil man!

    God chose a woman who was very poor and He knew she could only bring the minimum. And yet, He chose her anyway. Sometimes God intentionally chooses folks like us who can only bring the minimum, either because of poverty or physical limitations, or lack of talent, or anything which would normally disqualify us for special agent work. And yet we’re the ones he picks. We’re the agents he chooses to bless others. Isn’t that just like the Lord to pick the unqualified with the minimum, instead of the qualified with the maximum? That’s what he did with Mary. That’s what He can choose to do with us.

    I wonder if the Holy Spirit of God isn’t teaching us dramatically, that it takes longer for the wealthy and educated to come to the Lord Jesus. As I noted before, all the poor people responded to Christ immediately. Have you ever wondered why the celestial extravaganza show of angels in the sky only appeared to the poor shepherd boys, and not to the Chief Priests and wealthy educated Elders of Israel? I think it’s because unlike the shepherds, they would not have told anyone. They knew their colleagues would have ridiculed them.

    Whereas, Isaiah prophesied, “they made His grave with the wicked-But with the rich at His death”. It was only after Christ died that the wealthy Joseph of Arimathea took courage and asked Pilate for the body of Christ, wrapped it in a fine linen cloth and donated his rich hand-hewn tomb for Christ. It was only later at the end of Christ’s ministry that educated Nicodemus came publicly by day-not secretly by night–and brought 100 pounds of myrrh and aloes to His burial. The wealthy and educated seem more reticent to identify with Christ the Lord, and to be more sensitive to the judgment of their rich educated friends. Whereas, all the poor and needy came to Christ immediately, and then told others. Perhaps the Wise Men showing up several months later, is a vivid portrayal of the extra time the wealthy and educated take to finally come to Christ.

    His first Advent was Christmas. His second Advent will begin with the rapture of all believers snatched away alive to Glory. I pray that you believe this Good News and we will see you in Glory with the Good Shepherd who gave His life for the sheep. Because as the angels promised: He’s the Savior, Christ the Lord. The Son of the Most High, The Lord God. The King whose kingdom shall never end. As Simeon prophesied: this child is set for the falling and the rising of many in Israel and the falling and rising of many throughout the whole world, and for a sign which is spoken against.

    Yes, a sword will pierce through your own soul, that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.” Today, the thoughts of your heart are revealed by either your belief and acceptance, or your disbelief and rejection, of the Savior, Christ the Lord.

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  • We were also taught to believe that Jesus was a White man with European like features
    That story was implanted in the minds of many believers from the time of youth
    A white baby in a manager is still the accepted norm in many churches during the celebration of the Xmas season
    If the church cannot dispel this untruth why should the youth of today belive any thing which the church teaches as the word of God

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ Mariposa
    I do not know where you went to school or church. Neither of those two institutions that I attended/ attend taught me that Jesus was a white European. When I did geography, I could never associate Jesus as being white or European. He and his earthly parents would not have been able to fade into the racial landscape of Egypt to avoid the slaying ( ordered by King Herod )of the innocent infants in 4 BCE.

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  • Sir the Church did not verbally teach about Jesus ethnicity
    However the depictions and many statues placed in Catholic and Anglican. Churches of Jesus sent that message
    One would have to be very foolish not to see those statues and not come to a distinct conclusion of the message sent about Jesus ethnicity

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  • Jesus’ faith was clearly influenced by Eastern religions philosophies such as Lord Buddha’s enlightened one.
    I am beginning to big up Shiva as a Cool Dude as he is deemed to be the “God” of :
    Cannabis
    Meditation
    Yoga
    Dancing

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  • vINCENT
    i POSTED A CAROL SERVICE FROM A N ANGLICAN CHOIR FROM GHANA ESPECIALLY FOR YOU IN LAST WEEK’S SSS

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  • Vincent,

    The images of Jesus were all white. The visual effect is more powerful than many than words.

    Indeed, even though geography enlightened me at an early age (though silly me, I never even thought about the need for blending in with Egyptians) that mental image has not been erased, no matter what my conscious mind tells itself it must do. I am always annoyed with myself whenever the fake image appears and it has no effect on me otherwise but it probably still does on many.

    And the fake image still remains in paintings, statues, stained glass windows. Quite disgraceful really!

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  • Correction- more powerful FOR many than words

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  • Why is it that the question of Jesus ethnicity has been a well kept secret among many churches maybe can be placed or traced to a climate of superiority and racial prejudices within the church
    Notice how long it took the Catholic and Anglican churches as well as other Christain churches to give blacks posts as bishops and other areas of the church that places them in the forefront of teaching or preaching christain doctrines

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ GP at 9 :33 AM
    I am sorry but I missed your upload of the Ghanaian choir. My uploads from Bu seemed to have gone awry over the past two weeks. Thanks very much . I will search. I hope you enjoyed the Xmas season.

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  • “Why is it that the question of Jesus ethnicity has been a well kept secret among many churches”
    the answer must lie in the question
    when the question was the answer
    and the answer you can’t question
    “Why does GP post songs for Vincent”
    He must seek his approval
    loves preaching to the choir
    but confuses with blind faith

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  • The basic of Truth are facts no matter how much doctrines and teaching the Church implies as those of the One true living God those doctrines and teachings must be founded on the fullness of Truth and Facts
    All knows that Jesus walked this earth hence his ethnicity is also important to developing a close ties to who this Person was
    The bible says seek the truth and the truth will set You free
    With good reason
    Many of the youth has lost respect for the churches teaching because of a having hidden agendas that holds on to deception and hypocrisy

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ Mariposa
    @ Donna
    In CE 2021 the products of our education system should be thinking for themselves. Blaming others for our short comings is unacceptable. There is far too much mental and material dependency. It defeats the purpose of our Government’s expenditure on Education. Secrets? What Secret?Seems more like Scape Goatism.

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ 555
    GP posts songs for me for the same reasons you feel compelled to post Dub and Reggae. I do have a catholic taste in music. I also enjoy the renditions of traditional Christian music by my African brothers and sisters. What is your real question?

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  • Vincent your kind of thinking is what has lead to youth distrust of Adults
    You states that an educational system today borne on sufficient Knowledge should be enough to teach and dispel
    How about the older generation who still hold on those beliefs
    What is the responsibility of the church in teaching a doctrine that speaks to such truths

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  • Wisdoms of Religion originate in sunny lands where spiritual vibes are all around to tap into to feed your mind body and soul.
    Whites were pagan heathens and witches who lived in cold darkness and believed in night creatures folk tales like vampires.

    The mysteries of God’s creation are encoded in a woman’s body

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  • It is the Church’s responsibilty l to dispel any false teachings

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  • Question I “asked” was for sheep people to wake up think for themselves and become enlightened about Devil’s seduction
    Who Art Babylon

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ Mariposa

    It is the responsibility of youth to distrust adults. I am not a youth and I do not trust all that you keyboard;and for obvious reasons. My education does not allow me to. My objective is to hold a mirror before you and ask you if you are happy with the person you see reflected. The mirror helps you to see how others see you. If you are happy with your image, so be it. I have discharged my responsibility.

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  • Bow down ye fools to Serapis!

    The deity delivered to the Ptolemies by the Egyptian Orthodoxy, third century AD, to satisfy the godless Europeans.

    It was Serapis or Sarapis who gave birth to the fiction of JC.

    Still, there is no historical record of anybody called JC ever walking this earth. The whole narrative is the most incredible fiction ever told. And yet 1700 years hence we are still struggling with this vicious psychopathology

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  • Vincent rather than tackle the question post
    You question my character what does my character one which u might think u might know has to do with the churches responsibility to speaking truth
    I am comfortable being who i am
    Dont steal beg or borrow only seeks truth from those who are giving the responsibilty to do so

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  • PONDERING IN UNDERGROUND
    Every religion in every culture in every country in every language for every people have one thing in common.
    They all believe in the end of the world prophesies.
    During the end days those that push religion are deemed part of the problem not the solution people must look within.

    Music Saves The World

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ Mariposa
    You are using a pseudonym . How can I question a pseudonym’s character? I am questioning the logic of the person using the pseudonym. A question never poses itself. The character determines the question.

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  • So what is wrong with questioning a persons identity
    Worse yet when those preaching the gospel speaks of truth
    Trying to dismiss the question by various forms of attack is what people with tunnel vision does having a boasting or superior attitude of thinking that any questions asked about the churches handling of truth is not of importance and should be set aside as heresay

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  • Are religions the Original Versions of songs or Remixes
    Are teachings and parables true or lyrical lessons for peasants from villages

    Egyptian hieroglyphs contain cars planes helicopters spaceships and extraterrestrials
    are they prophesies of future or accounts of past

    These questions are not for the BU elders to answer
    as their thinking and reasonings are well retarded with brainwashing and old age
    they are rhetorical questions pondering hypothetical thoughts put out there as food for thought
    conscious youths may have the answers of what is hidden from the wise and foolish

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  • @ Vincent CodringtonDecember 27, 2020 9:17 AM
    “When I did geography, I could never associate Jesus as being white or European. He and his earthly parents would not have been able to fade into the racial landscape of Egypt to avoid the slaying ( ordered by King Herod )of the innocent infants in 4 BCE.”
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    Are you implying that the whole ‘Jesus’ story as recorded in the “English” King James version is nothing but a ‘concocted’ myth?

    Do you also admit that poor little Mary could never have been the mother of “God” and that those pretending to be the ‘white’ Jews of today could never have been the descendants of those enslaved in Egypt as recorded in the same KJV based on your knowledge of Geography and Anthropology and clearly could never have been of European ethnic origin?

    BTW, why would your Yahweh allow the slaying of innocent little [Jewish] boys just to protect one little baby Jesus when he could have simply sent a plague to get rid of Herod and his people as he did with the Egyptians in the form of the ‘Passover’?

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ Miller
    The KJV is a translation ,which I am sure you know. It is rather strange that some commenters would want to fix the Bible’s origin in Europe. How European depicted Jesus was the vehicle to convey an image to their ethnic group. I am sure the Coptic Churches including the Russian would have biblical characters depicted in dark browns with tightly curled hair. This,I think, you already know. You seem to be fairly wide read. However some of us tend to emphasize the dinner ware and not the food contained there in. Doing so we miss the boat by centuries,if not millennia. Telling stories is how ancient scribes and teachers conveyed fundamental truths. The secret is always to ask what is they trying to convey to me the reader or audience.

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  • A happy morning to the congregation.
    HAGD

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  • Vincent Codrington

    Correction. “What is it that they are trying,,,,,” Precursive working overtime again.

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  • Pondering and wonderings on reaching the mountain top
    What would have been the result of white people seeing the light of truth about a black or brown Jesus who came from Palestine. When the Slave Tribe of Jews were led out of Egypt and bondage by Moses there were other people who were their friends who accompanied them to the promised land. It is not true whites are hostile with hate and no love to everyone like they are with coloureds as I have seen whites speak to complete strangers who are white like they are best friends or family. Would they have rejected Christianity with contempt if they were told and believed the messiah had dark skin and caught the sun. Which brings me back to my earlier musings are they the Devil’s children as they war and want to rule in dominion like the fallen angel Satan who wants your soul and his brother Dracula who wants your blood and body. They branded Africans as their property and forced them into submission. Is pale white skin superior or inferior and what about the foreign mind. The colour of your skin and texture of your hair and contour of your nose does not make you a man. These questions are not so much about spirituality, but more about humanity and society in which we dwell and liberation from fucked up religion with social rules to keep you in your place.

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  • @ Vincent Codrington December 27, 2020 1:21 PM
    “Telling stories is how ancient scribes and teachers conveyed fundamental truths. The secret is always to ask what is they trying to convey to me the reader or audience.”
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    Indeed!

    That’s why ‘objective thinkers’ should see the fables in the KJV (mostly stolen from Egyptian and other Levant cultures) as mere guiding principles to human morality; like the ‘Golden Rule’ which can be found at the heart of all religions.

    The ‘good-guy self-sacrificing’ character of Jesus the Saviour can be found represented in many religions across the globe but especially depicted in Christianity-the most popular modern religion in the West- as the Apollo for the current Age.

    The Jews already have their own saviour(s).

    Maybe Jesus is no longer relevant to the European culture and could easily be replaced by a new ‘icon’ in the image of Steve Jobs or his Barabbas Bill Gates or even Mark Zuckerberg as a saviour to be idolized for the Information Age of Aquarius.

    Maybe black people ought to invent their own Apollo icon in the image of Marcus Garvey or Nelson Mandela [the Christ] for ‘their’ New Age of economic and political liberation.

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  • Vincent,

    I don’t blame anyone for my shortcomings but I do know that some still have that white Jesus in their heads and it has an effect that it does not have on me. Not everyone can figure things out for themselves.

    The Bible is obviously not European in origin but it was introduced to us by the Europeans and was used as a tool of oppression. Some find it difficult to seperate the two.

    And yes, stories were the way ancient people conveyed truths. Made it interesting, easier to relate to and remember.

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  • One must separate the stories appearing in the book of lies from the actual compilation by the Piso family of popes. Who were Europeans.

    In the first case no one here is contending that many narratives in the book are not stories which were told, and we have original records predating the bible by tens of thousands of years, oral traditions etc to show that the bible was plagiarized by the Europeans during what we call the Dark Ages, circa 500 AD to 1500 AD.

    And we have traditions appearing ten of thousands of years before there were any humans called Europeans and then all of a sudden those same traditions pop up all over a socalled holy book by a particular set of people. Common sense demands and careful research requires that we see this as a criminal attempt by Europeans to steal other peoples culture, insert themselves into the story because they had no god consciousness of their own. This is still true today.

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  • William Shakespeare the lead translator of the book, male “lover” of King James, now widely considered along with Bob Dylan as the greatest writers of the Western world, King James who refused to allow Shakespeare to add his name as co-author, but Shakespeare who left a secret code as revenge, could not have imagined the pervasiveness of his work on the culture of humanoids.

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ Donna at 6 :54 PM

    I concur.
    We have to take responsibility for what we believe. We must keep our minds and hearts open to accept truths when they appear. We can only do this at the personal level. If it is consonant with the perceptions of others ,so be it. But make sure your convictions are yours. Own them.

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  • MariposaDecember 27, 2020 9:25 AM

    Sir the Church did not verbally teach about Jesus ethnicity
    However the depictions and many statues placed in Catholic and Anglican. Churches of Jesus sent that message
    One would have to be very foolish not to see those statues and not come to a distinct conclusion of the message sent about Jesus ethnicity

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    https://www.google.com/search?q=youtube+cuzco+easter+procession+el+senor+de+los+tembladores&sxsrf=ALeKk03_EBqkbjyLE0W8rnHGHEPysV_sSg:1609212695556&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=YhF-yYX5N1OvcM%252C5AneIFi48lWRxM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kTxHjNE2kIyO71aDXv2CkCFsj_u3g&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjGrti4oPLtAhWJuVkKHXHoDLwQ9QF6BAgLEAE#imgrc=YhF-yYX5N1OvcM

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  • The message is that Christ came for all mankind and since all mankind is a variety of colours it would be rather foolish to assume He was of a particular skin colour.

    It would be more sensible to conclude that skin colour was irrelevant.

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  • @John

    The more pertinent concern is how Jesus has been depicted/projected as a blue eyed Caucasian man throughout the years.

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  • DavidDecember 28, 2020 11:46 PM

    @John

    The more pertinent concern is how Jesus has been depicted/projected as a blue eyed Caucasian man throughout the years.

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    If you were a bit more knowledgeable about Barbados history you would not make such an uninformed comment.

    You need to pay more attention when I write!!

    Firstly, I saw with my own eyes the procession in Cuzco when I went hiking to Machu Picchu and the effigy of Jesus on the Cross was black!!

    Peru was Roman Catholic from the 1500’s.

    Also, since early Barbadians were Puritans or Quakers, it is absolutely impossible that there would have been any stained glass windows knocking about in Barbados prior to emancipation.

    Puritans sought to purify the Anglican Church of Roman Catholic influences and Quakers did not go in for effigies or stained glass windows.

    They worshipped in people’s houses or plain meeting rooms which are now all gone.

    You will probably find the stained glass windows in the Anglican Churches that seem to have left such a lasting impression on you from childhood occurred after emancipation as the Anglican Church rose to prominence and the old ways were abandoned.

    Remember also, all churches in Barbados except St. George, were destroyed in the 1831 hurricane.

    For the 200 odd years before emancipation, it would have been unlikely that any slave in Barbados would have seen any image of Jesus Christ.

    So the belief by black people in Barbados that Jesus was white did not start in the days of slavery!!!

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  • The portrayal of Jesus as a white, European man has come under renewed scrutiny during this period of introspection over the legacy of racism in society.

    As protesters called for the removal of Confederate statues in the U.S., activist Shaun King went further, suggesting that murals and artwork depicting “white Jesus” should “come down.”

    His concerns about the depiction of Christ and how it is used to uphold notions of white supremacy are not isolated. Prominent scholars and the archbishop of Canterbury have called to reconsider Jesus’ portrayal as a white man.

    https://theconversation.com/the-long-history-of-how-jesus-came-to-resemble-a-white-european-142130

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  • John is a hypocrite with his false ‘reasonings’

    truth resonates and has a righteous vibration

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  • As a young child i remember seeing many barbadian homes having the famous Last Supper picture of Jesus and his disciples being white
    When indivuduals of intelligent thought tries to take a truth and spin that truth towards a goal that defies an illogical explanation it makes for wonder how much lies were taught in past to fulfill a pupose or an agenda by our white slave masters

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  • MariposaDecember 29, 2020 6:18 AM

    As a young child i remember seeing many barbadian homes having the famous Last Supper picture of Jesus and his disciples being white

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    Who painted the Last Supper?

    Leonardo Da Vinci!!

    When?

    1495-1498!!

    Barbados was essentially Protestant, Puritan/Quaker for the first 200 years of it’s existence, 1627-1687.

    This would not have been an image that would have been displayed during the days of slavery here!!!

    This is too simple and basic a truth to even dispute.

    If you were a child prior to 1827, you would almost certainly not have seen such an image anywhere in Barbados.

    Were the homes you saw the image in “black” or “white”?

    I have been in both and can’t remember seeing such an image.

    I have been in some Anglican Churches and seen the Stations of the Cross where Jesus is portrayed as “white” ….one of the differences between “High” Church and “Low” Church Anglican!!

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  • To claim that Roman Catholic imagery would have been portrayed in Barbados during the times of slavery is lunatic and is as far as can be imagined from the reality of the times.

    Absolutely ridiculous, laughable.

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ David Bu at 11:46 AM

    If the members of your church are European, is it useful to depict Jesus as a middle Eastern ,North East African man?
    One paints what communicates to the viewer. The message is important not the conveyor. That is the reason why race is not mention in many books of the Bible. The writers were happy with all ethnic groups.

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ David BU
    One of the points John always makes is that the Quakers steadfastly stuck to the principle of the Judaic Law not to” make any graven image of God”.
    To set up a straw man of Jesus ethnicity is a distraction from what his mission was about. You do know better. It is always easy to blame others for our failures ,is it not?

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  • I grew up as a very ardent Anglican until I was 16. So ardent was I that the rector had been down to be a priest.
    Unlike St Lawrence (attended briefly) both St Paul’s and Christ Church were high church, and I attended stations of the cross at both.

    I was never taught that the Lord Jesus Christ was white or of any particular hue, in my youth, and I have never thought of it throughout my earthly sojourn. I guess this is because as J Vernon McGee would say ONE MUST KEEP THE MAIN THING THE MAIN THING, AND THAT ONE MUST STRESS THE ESSENTIALS RATHER THAN THE INCIDENTALS IN ONE’S APPROACH TO STUDY OF THE SCRIPTURES.

    It amazes me that every week a stellar exegesis of a passage of the sacred scriptures is presented, but the subsequent discussion is always far of base.

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  • @ John December 29, 2020 10:11 AM
    “Barbados was essentially Protestant, Puritan/Quaker for the first 200 years of it’s existence, 1627-1687.”
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    Is that ‘factually’ correct? Or are you losing the plot like your idol?

    Which religion did those fighting for the Royalist at ‘Austin’s aka Oistins Bay in Barbadoes against the Roundheads belong to?

    Didn’t such a treaty result in the ‘de facto’ Independence of ‘English Royalty’ Bim by telling the Puritan Cromwell to piss off?

    How come there is an Anglican Church in every parish named after some Catholic/Anglican patron saint except Ch Ch?

    Who were the political movers and shakers that effectively outlawed the Quakers from ‘practicing their brand of ‘Protestantism’ hence, their secret meeting places?

    Weren’t similar banning orders in place against the Roman Catholic Irish shipped to Barbadoes for their heresy?

    How do you explain the presence of very old tombs in the Saint John Parish Church yard containing the remains of the fabulously wealthy members of the planter class and political elite including those of Ferdinand(o) Paleologus “descended from Ye Imperial Line of Ye Last Christian Emperors of Greece”?

    BTW, since you are so au fait with Leonardo the openly gay genius and his “Last Supper” painting how many women/angelic-looking transgender men can you spot among the 12 “male disciples?

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  • “I was never taught that the Lord Jesus Christ was white or of any particular hue, in my youth, and I have never thought of it throughout my earthly sojourn. I guess this is because as J Vernon McGee would say ONE MUST KEEP THE MAIN THING THE MAIN THING, AND THAT ONE MUST STRESS THE ESSENTIALS RATHER THAN THE INCIDENTALS IN ONE’S APPROACH TO STUDY OF THE SCRIPTURES.”

    You have been hypnotised.

    The truth of the argument that Jesus was not pale lilly white European in any shape or form applies to original Jews hues too.
    False Religion was used by imperialists colonialists and capitalists slavers as justification for discrimination against people of colour and perpetuate doctrine of white supremacy. False religion is also a money scam and in the not so distant past the religious class used to dictate how to run Governments and implementation of laws and they also represented nationalism and supported war. You cannot distinguish religion and man’s obsession to rule in dominion.

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  • Religious Education is about all religions.

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  • @Vincent

    Based on the history against which the books of the Bible were recorded it should depict truth.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    “I was never taught that the Lord Jesus Christ was white or of any particular hue, in my youth, and I have never thought of it throughout my earthly sojourn.”

    Doc that is an AMAZING statement.

    Now I notice it’s NOT in uppercase so I am unsure if its YOUR words exactly or something you cut n pasted from another.

    Taking it as YOUR words I can only say that I am totally confounded by what YOU DIDNT say!

    A young activelty thinking, likely voracious reader and smart fella sees basically ONLY white images of the Christ but at NO STAGE of those active brain pulses does he muse about or reflect on that imagery!

    Interesting.

    Oh I did not read your sterling presentation … actually popped over from my BJS (Biden Joy Syndrome) to see what @Codrington was saying.

    Anyhow let me ask you this: what are your thought now 50 some years on from 16, about a lily white Jesus imagery!

    Just wondering.

    I gone.

    Oh @John why do u do as @Austin always asserts answer/respond to your OWN questions …. not what is asserted.

    In what frame of reference could @Matiposa’s EVER be a youth prior to 1950s … and thus their statement not be true!

    You guys say some of the most astoundingly mind bending things!

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  • “I was never taught that the Lord Jesus Christ was white or of any particular hue, in my youth, and I have never thought of it throughout my earthly sojourn.”
    Doc that is an AMAZING statement.

    When I was an Anglican in my youth, each Sunday, the teaching was focussed on earling the collect in Sunday school. and sermons revolved around the Epistle and Gospel passage for the that Sunday. In preparation to be confirmed sinners we studied the Catechism. We did not waste time on rubbish as to what was the hue of the LORD JESUS CHRIST

    IN THE BAPTIST CHURCH I ATTENDED, WE STUDIED THE BIBLE
    I OWN AND HAVE READ SEVERAL BILE COMMENTARIES WRITTEN BY STAWARTS OF THE FAITH. NONE OF THESE DEALT WITH the hue of the LORD JESUS CHRIST, SEEING THAT IS NOT NECESSARY INFORMATION FOR SALVATION, OR FAITH AND PRACTICE.

    .ACTUALLY the most astoundingly mind bending things I HAVE EVER SEEN, OR HEARD ABOUT THE BIBLE APPEARS ON BU

    I REALLY CANT SEE WHY YOU THINK THAT IN MY YOUTH OR NOW THAT I SHOULD FOCUS ON RUBBISH

    WE SPEAK WHERE THE BIBLE SPEAKS, AND WE ARE SILENT WHERE THE BIBLE IS SILENT

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  • “WE SPEAK WHERE THE BIBLE SPEAKS, AND WE ARE SILENT WHERE THE BIBLE IS SILENT”

    what did the Bible tell you about the Trump Cunt

    I think you got it fucking wrong and misinterpreted what the bible told you due to your own prejudice and bias

    Bibliomancy
    Bibliomancy is the practice of seeking spiritual insight by selecting a random passage from a Holy Book. It is a form of Stichomancy, which involves selecting a random passage from a random book of any nature. Bibliomancy and Stichomancy have been popular methods of divination for at least 3000 years, when the I Ching was first used to divine the future.

    The first excerpt represents the past or something you must release, and is drawn from King James Bible:
    upon the six steps. There was not the like made in any kingdom.

    CH2 9:20 And all the drinking vessels of king Solomon were of gold, and all the vessels of the house of the forest of Lebanon were of pure gold: none were of silver; it was not any thing accounted of in the days of Solomon.

    CH2 9:21 For the king’s ships went to Tarshish with the servants of Huram: every three years once came the ships of Tarshish bringing gold, and silver, ivory, and apes, and peacocks.

    CH2 9:22 And king Solomon passed all the kings of the earth in riches and wisdom.

    CH2 9:23 And all the kings of the earth sought the presence of Solomon,

    The second excerpt represents the present or the deciding factor of the moment, and is drawn from King James Bible:
    MAT 27:23 And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.

    MAT 27:24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.

    MAT 27:25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

    MAT 27:26 Then released he Barabbas unto them: and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered him to be crucified.

    MAT 27:27 Then the soldiers of the governor took Jesus into the common

    he third excerpt represents the future or something you must embrace, and is drawn from King James Bible:
    MAR 16:3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?

    MAR 16:4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.

    MAR 16:5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.

    MAR 16:6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.

    MAR 16:7 But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth

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    The excerpt represents the core issue or deciding factor on which you must meditate, and is drawn from The Rig Veda:
    we may see the sunlight.

    13 To Yama pour the Soma, bring to Yama consecrated gifts: To Yama sacrifice prepared and heralded by Agni goes.

    14 Offer to Yama holy gifts enriched with butter, and draw near: So may he grant that we may live long days of life among the Gods.

    15 Offer to Yama, to the King, oblation very rich in meath: Bow down before the Rsis of the ancient times, who made this path in

    Islam
    The first excerpt represents the past or something you must release, and is drawn from The Koran:
    altogether?’

    God’s is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and what is between the two; He createth what He will, for God is mighty over all!

    But the Jews and the Christians say, ‘We are the sons of God and His beloved.’ Say, ‘Why then does He punish you for your sins? nay, ye are mortals of those whom He has created! He pardons whom He pleases, and punishes whom He pleases; for God’s is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth, and what is between the two, and unto Him the journey is.

    O people of the Book! our Apostle has come to you, explaining to you the interval of apostles; lest ye say, ‘There came not to us a

    The second excerpt represents the present or the deciding factor of the moment, and is drawn from The Koran:
    help!’

    And we opened the gates of heaven with water pouring down!

    And we made the earth burst forth in springs, and the waters met at a bidding already decreed.

    But we bore him on the thing of planks and nails; sailing on beneath our eyes, a reward for him who had been disbelieved!

    And we left it a sign;- but is there any one who will mind?

    ‘Ad called the apostles liars, and how was my punishment and my warning?

    Verily, we sent on them a cold storm wind on a day of continuous ill-luck!

    The third excerpt represents the future or something you must embrace, and is drawn from The Koran:
    who is in the cradle a child?’ He said, ‘Verily, I am a servant of God; He has brought me the Book, and He has made me a prophet, and He has made me blessed wherever I be; and He has required of me prayer and almsgiving so long as I live, and piety towards my mother, and has not made me a miserable tyrant; and peace upon me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised up alive.’

    That is, Jesus the son of Mary,-by the word of truth whereon ye do dispute!

    God could not take to himself any son! celebrated be His praise! when He decrees a matter He only says to it, ‘BE,’ and it is; and, verily, God is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him; this is the

    Judaism

    The first excerpt represents the element of Air. It speaks of mental influences and the process of thought, and is drawn from The Tanach:
    Judges 1: 5 And they found Adoni-bezek in Bezek; and they fought against him, and they smote the Canaanites and the Perizzites.

    Judges 1: 6 But Adoni-bezek fled; and they pursued after him, and caught him, and cut off his thumbs and his great toes.

    Judges 1: 7 And Adoni-bezek said: ‘Threescore and ten kings, having their thumbs and their great toes cut off, gathered food under my table; as I have done, so God hath requited me.’ And they brought him to Jerusalem, and he died there.

    Judges 1: 8 And the children of Judah fought Jerusalem, and took it, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and set the city on fire.

    Judges 1: 9 And afterward the children of Judah went down to fight against the Canaanites that dwelt in the hill-country, and in the South, and in the Lowland.

    Judges 1: 10 And Judah went against the Canaanites that dwelt in Hebron–now the name of Hebron beforetime was Kiriath-arba–and they smote Sheshai, and Ahiman, and Talmai.

    Judges 1: 11 And from thence he went against the inhabitants of Debir–now the name of Debir beforetime was Kiriath-sepher.

    Judges 1: 12 And Caleb said: ‘He that smiteth Kiriath-sepher, and taketh it, to him will I give Achsah my daughter to wife.’

    Judges 1: 13 And Othniel the son of Kenaz, Caleb’s younger brother, took it; and he gave him Achsah his daughter to wife.

    Judges 1: 14 And it came to pass, when she came unto him, that she moved him to ask of her father a field; and she alighted from off her ass; and Caleb said unto her: ‘What wouldest thou?’

    The second excerpt represents the element of Fire. It speaks of emotional influences and base passions, and is drawn from The Tanach:
    2_Samuel 14: 17 Then thy handmaid said: Let, I pray thee, the word of my lord the king be for my comfort; for as an angel of God, so is my lord the king to discern good and bad; and the LORD thy God be with thee.’

    2_Samuel 14: 18 Then the king answered and said unto the woman: ‘Hide not from me, I pray thee, aught that I shall ask thee.’ And the woman said: ‘Let my lord the king now speak.’

    2_Samuel 14: 19 And the king said: ‘Is the hand of Joab with thee in all this?’ And the woman answered and said: ‘As thy soul liveth, my lord the king, none can turn to the right hand or to the left from aught that my lord the king hath spoken; for thy servant Joab, he bade me, and he put all these words in the mouth of thy handmaid;

    2_Samuel 14: 20 to change the face of the matter hath thy servant Joab done this thing; and my lord is wise, according to the wisdom of an angel of God, to know all things that are in the earth.’

    2_Samuel 14: 21 And the king said unto Joab: ‘Behold now, I have granted this request; go therefore, bring the young man Absalom back.’

    2_Samuel 14: 22 And Joab fell to the ground on his face, and prostrated himself, and blessed the king; and Joab said: ‘To-day thy servant knoweth that I have found favour in thy sight, my lord, O king, in that the king hath performed the request of thy servant.’

    2_Samuel 14: 23 So Joab arose and went to Geshur, and brought Absalom to Jerusalem.

    2_Samuel 14: 24 And the king said: ‘Let him turn to his own house, but let him not see my face.’ So Absalom turned to his own house, and saw not the king’s face.

    The third excerpt represents the element of Water. It speaks of pure spiritual influences and feelings of love, and is drawn from The Tanach:
    2_Chronicles 21: 20 Thirty and two years old was he when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem eight years; and he departed joyless; and they buried him in the city of David, but not in the sepulchres of the kings.

    2_Chronicles 22: 1 And the inhabitants of Jerusalem made Ahaziah his youngest son king in his stead; for the band of men that came with the Arabians to the camp had slain all the eldest. So Ahaziah the son of Jehoram king of Judah reigned.

    2_Chronicles 22: 2 Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem; and his mother’s name was Athaliah the daughter of Omri.

    2_Chronicles 22: 3 He also walked in the ways of the house of Ahab; for his mother was his counsellor to do wickedly.

    2_Chronicles 22: 4 And he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD, as did the house of Ahab; for they were his counsellors after the death of his father, to his destruction.

    2_Chronicles 22: 5 He walked also after their counsel, and went with Jehoram the son of Ahab king of Israel to war against Hazael king of Aram at Ramoth-gilead; and the Arameans wounded Joram.

    2_Chronicles 22: 6 And he returned to be healed in Jezreel of the wounds which they had given him at Ramah, when he fought against Hazael king of Aram. And Azariah the son of Jehoram king of Judah went down to see Jehoram the son of Ahab in Jezreel, because he was sick.

    2_Chronicles 22: 7 Now the downfall of Ahaziah was of God, in that he went unto Joram; for when he was come, he went out with Jehoram against Jehu the son of Nimshi, whom the LORD had anointed to cu

    The fourth excerpt represents the element of Earth. It speaks of physical influences and the impact of the unseen on the visible world, and is drawn from The Tanach:
    Psalms 90: 11 Who knoweth the power of Thine anger, and Thy wrath according to the fear that is due unto Thee?

    Psalms 90: 12 So teach us to number our days, that we may get us a heart of wisdom.

    Psalms 90: 13 Return, O LORD; how long? And let it repent Thee concerning Thy servants.

    Psalms 90: 14 O satisfy us in the morning with Thy mercy; that we may rejoice and be glad all our days.

    Psalms 90: 15 Make us glad according to the days wherein Thou hast afflicted us, according to the years wherein we have seen evil.

    Psalms 90: 16 Let Thy work appear unto Thy servants, and Thy glory upon their children.

    Psalms 90: 17 And let the graciousness of the Lord our God be upon us; establish Thou also upon us the work of our hands; yea, the work of our hands establish Thou it.

    Psalms 91: 1 O thou that dwellest in the covert of the Most High, and abidest in the shadow of the Almighty;

    Psalms 91: 2 I will say of the LORD, who is my refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust,

    Psalms 91: 3 That He will deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.

    Psalms 91: 4 He will cover thee with His pinions, and under His wings shalt thou take refuge; His truth is a shield and a buckler.

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    The first excerpt represents the past or something you must release, and is drawn from The Tanach:
    Jeremiah 23: 38 But if ye say: ‘The burden of the LORD’; therefore thus saith the LORD: Because ye say this word: ‘The burden of the LORD’, and I have sent unto you, saying: ‘Ye shall not say: The burden of the LORD’;

    Jeremiah 23: 39 therefore, behold, I will utterly tear you out, and I will cast you off, and the city that I gave unto you and to your fathers, away from My presence;

    Jeremiah 23: 40 and I will bring an everlasting reproach upon you, and a perpetual shame, which shall not be forgotten

    Jeremiah 24: 1 The LORD showed me, and behold two baskets of figs set before the temple of the LORD; after that Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon had carried away captive Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim, king of Judah, and the princes of Judah, with the craftsmen and smiths, from Jerusalem, and had brought them to Babylon.

    Jeremiah 24: 2 One basket had very good figs, like the figs that are first-ripe; and the other basket had very bad figs, which could not be eaten, they were so bad.

    Jeremiah 24: 3 Then said the LORD unto me: ‘What seest thou, Jeremiah?’ And I said: ‘Figs; the good figs, very good; and the bad, very bad, that cannot be eaten, they are so bad.’

    Jeremiah 24: 4 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying:

    Jeremiah 24: 5 ‘Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel: Like these good figs, so will I regard the captives of Judah, whom I have sent out of this place into the land of the Chaldeans, for good.

    Jeremiah 24: 6 And I will set Mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them back to this land; and I will build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up.

    The second excerpt represents the present or the deciding factor of the moment, and is drawn from 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea by Jules Verne:
    I saw their spiral-shaped and fluted shells, which Cuvier justly compares to an elegant skiff. A boat indeed! It bears the creature which secretes it without its adhering to it.

    For nearly an hour the Nautilus floated in the midst of this shoal of molluscs. Then I know not what sudden fright they took. But as if at a signal every sail was furled, the arms folded, the body drawn in, the shells turned over, changing their centre of gravity, and the whole fleet disappeared under the waves. Never did the ships of a squadron manoeuvre with more unity.

    At that moment night fell suddenly, and the reeds, scarcely raised by the breeze, lay peaceably under the sides of the Nautilus.

    The third excerpt represents the future or something you must embrace, and is drawn from The Country Doctor by Honore de Balzac:
    another, and taken the conceit out of four Austrian generals; one of them, an old man who had white hair, had been roasted like a rat in the straw before Mantua. The kings were suing for mercy on their knees. Peace had been won. Could a mere mortal have done that? No. God helped him, that is certain. He distributed himself about like the five loaves in the Gospel, commanded on the battlefield all day, and drew up his plans at night. The sentries always saw him coming; he neither ate nor slept. Therefore, recognizing these prodigies, the soldier adopts him for his father. But, forward!

    “The other folk there in Paris, seeing all this, say among themselves:

    ” ‘Here is a pilgrim who appears to take his instructions from Heaven

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  • I must confess that I do not read any of the “stellar” presentations.

    But I have read Philemon, which is more than Donald Trump, the Chosen One has done.

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  • John who painted the picture either was taught that Jesus ethnicity was white
    Or had a deepseated belief to form such a conclusion set in the mind by images seen
    I know i have seen them as a child
    Those images were real to the mind in forming a cultural image of Jesus ethnicity

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  • GP has proven extensively that the Bible is just a book of embellishments not written by God or Jesus but by the febrile imagination of misogynist man. Truth is God is in us and we in God, that is all we need to know.

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  • @ 555dubstreetDecember 30, 2020 7:19 PM
    “Truth is God is in us and we in God, that is all we need to know.”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And that is an ‘universal’ precept which can found in all religions and well summed up in the same Christian manual for spiritual living which states that “the kingdom of God is within you”.

    You will note that our Sun, the source of Light for the world, is the omnipresent icon of all religions, from East to West.

    “Work out your own salvation. Do not depend on others”. ⁓Buddha

    “The greatest gift is to give people your enlightenment, to share it. It has to be the greatest.” ⁓Buddha

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  • IN Normandy, France, on the day of the D-Day invasion. what happened on that hallowed ground seventy-five years earlier changed the course of history and the lives of millions of people.
    One event from that time etched on many minds occurred on June 6, 1944, in a German prisoner of war camp, when one of the prisoners who was secretly listening to the BBC, heard of the allied invasion of Normandy.

    He could hardly contain himself. He began whispering three simple words to other prisoners, “They have come.” One prisoner was so overcome with joy that he threw reserve and restraint aside, ran into the barracks, and began shouting, “They have come. They have come.”

    Weak men jumped for joy. Strong men hugged each other and wept with excitement. Some stood on tables and shouted as others rolled on the floor in ecstasy. Their German captors, not knowing about D-Day, thought they had gone crazy. For the prisoners, nothing had changed outwardly, but inwardly everything had changed. Their rescue was certain. “They had come.”

    The same is true of Christmas. Bethlehem was God’s Normandy. Jesus came to defeat the enemy and set the prisoners free. Our rejoicing should be no less great. We must not keep the news to ourselves. Our situation may not change externally, but internally everything changes. Rescue is certain. This Christmas we should loudly, joyfully proclaim—“He has come! He has come!”

    AND EVEN BETTER NEWS THAN CHRISTMAS WHEN HE CAME AT HIS FIRST ADVENT IS THAT HE IS COMING AGAIN SOON!
    MARANATHA!

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