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A losing battle is being waged by a few Barbadian citizens who want to see a characteristic that defines Barbados protected. To the blogmaster it does not matter if the government is BLP or DLP – in cahoots with the economic class – limited windows to the sea are rapidly being slammed shut!

One of the few windows to the sea on a congested South Coast about to be closed is the open area opposite Blue Horizon at Accra. You will recall the property was sold by the last government for a dime to Mark Maloney, Phillip Tempro et al. The late Reverend Andrew Hatch must be writhing and sweating in his grave God rest his soul.

A town hall is scheduled to be held at the Accra Hotel conference room @6:30PM tomorrow 18 July 2019, a mandatory requirement of the planning process. It is unlikely the meeting will change the plan but there is the Cahill experience to inspire dissenting voices.

Sign the Petition!

Keep The Sea Window At Accra/Rockley Open

Concerned Citizens of Barbados started this petition to Prime Minister’s Office – Planning Unit (Barbados) and

Whereas, the residents of Blue Waters, Cot Road in Rockley and the wider Rockley district and adjoining Worthing and Hastings areas along the South Coast, have no issue with the concept of redevelopment and have no desire to stop this project as a whole, we however have some legitimate issues that concern its impact on our nearby homes, the surrounding infrastructure and the use of the existing beach access, car park, window-to-the-sea and the general environment.  Therefore we want these concerns considered with regard to T&CP Application Ref: 0267/02/2019 B;

So please sign and share the below petition if you share these concerns and believe that …

1.       The traditional Window-To-The-Sea opposite Blue Horizon at Accra should be left open as a legacy.  It is one of the last remaining vistas to the sea on that coast and the south coast of Barbados.

2.       Locals and visitors alike have been using that parcel of land for parking and access unobstructed and continuously for decades, and now have a legal prescriptive right to do so.

3.       The proposed 10 storey height of the hotel is out of character with the surrounding area, and will create shading and ventilation issues for the surrounding residential area.  There is also the major concern on setting such a precedent for the South Coast, especially established residential areas nearby.

4.       Given the above points and potential threat to existing road and sewerage infrastructure a full Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) must be done for the Blue Horizon/Blue Tourism Inc project, as presently proposed.

Dated:  July 15, 2019

https://www.change.org/p/prime-minister-s-office-planning-unit-barbados-keep-the-sea-window-at-accra-rockley-beach-open?recruiter=21389388&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_abi&utm_term=psf_combo_share_initial&recruited_by_id=6f0b81c0-0bdf-0130-6c25-00221968d0e0&share_bandit_exp=abi-16710281-en-GB&share_bandit_var=v0&utm_content=fht-16710281-en-gb%3Av6

 

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236 responses to “Another Window to the Sea at Accra Approved to Disappear”

  1. Miller Avatar
    Miller

    @ Enuff July 17, 2019 6:36 PM

    “What is the purpose of a “window to the sea””?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Why don’t you ask the Bahamians that? A country much larger than Bim with its 700 odd islands and a tourism industry much, much bigger and sophisticated than Barbados?

    What else does Barbados have to offer the sophisticatedly discerning tourist other than sea and sand?

    Certainly not heritage Bridgetown with its urine-laced odiferous alleys blocked with waste of all kinds!

    Instead of approving the further ‘blocking-up’ of the natural vistas to the sea shouldn’t the current administration be more concerned about putting the public hygiene horse before the additional hotel building cart?

    Why not place ‘top’ priority on upgrading the sewerage system on the same south and the much in need west coast?

    If you think that by dumping the shit and other human waste out to sea is going to solve the problem then you could as well put the country’s tourism industry in a moses and send it in the same direction that the same south coast currents took poor Millie.

  2. John A Avatar
    John A

    I would say a fairer comparison of what we could strive for would be something like Jade Mountain in St Lucia. It’s not cheap but heavily patronized by those who can afford it. Plus it’s not just another boring looking hotel with a collection of shoe box looking rooms.

  3. David Avatar
    David

    @Miller

    Bahamas coastline is a sight to behold. It must have taken deep vision to avoid building on the coastline. Something we have not shown here will probably pay for it in the future as far as the environment is concerned.

  4. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    @ac
    “As a child”? Wait like you don’t get out after dark? Still nuff fo*pi^g at night, and it isn’t all extra anything.
    What it is you hit us with yesterday? There has been an absorbent rise in striking near the ocean.

  5. William Skinner Avatar
    William Skinner

    The lemonade is truly laced. It makes some people twist their mouths; change positions; suddenly ignore harmful deeds…………..Lemonade gashing forth in a never ending supply stream.

    The Duopoly and its PdP extension RULES.

  6. Miller Avatar
    Miller

    @ Mariposa July 17, 2019 7:21 PM
    “I remember as a child many of those windows of the sea were used as hot spots to carry on extramarital affairs during the night…”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    “As a child”, my ‘naked’ donkey!

    Why would a ‘child’ be out snooping and scoping that time of the night?

    You mean as a ‘young’ woman relaxing in the back of some Ford Escort or Fiat 124 with your long-john undies off.

  7. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    The Prime Minister of Barbados can show how much “she cares” by preventing the destruction of Accra beach as it currently exists.

  8. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    Priceless.

  9. flowersbythedozen Avatar
    flowersbythedozen

    ‘Don’t it always seem to go, you don’t know what you’ve got ‘til it’s gone’ from the song ‘Big Yellow Taxi’. ‘They paved Paradise and put up a parking lot’. We already have a parking lot for visitors and locals to visit the beautiful Accra Beach! So where are people going to park if they want to visit your beach club? Where are people going to park? Oh they can park in Chefette! Chefette: “Oh no you can only park here if you buy our broasted chicken or rotis or pizza”.
    https://genius.com/Joni-mitchell-big-yellow-taxi-lyrics

  10. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    Yep……Enuff definitely came out losing and on the very first try too..lol

  11. Enuff Avatar
    Enuff

    David
    It is about visual amenity..period!! And visual amenity is not confined to solely the natural but also the built environment. As I have often argued on BU, well designed spaces that combine the natural and built can ehance the visual amenity/aesthetics of a street or plot of land. Based on the CGI images and plans, the proposed beach club (which appears to be orientated to avoid a walled frontage, uses materials and a design aesthetic that is sympathetic to the setting and still provides some “window to the sea”) is sited on the existing gravel car park. The trees between the existing car park and the beach looks like they will be maintained as well as the green space to the east adjoining Tiki Bar and the area opposite Chefette. From the images, what is proposed seems to be an improvement on the gravel car park. A gravel car park, which is covered with cars and mobile canteens, is neither visually appealing nor sensitive to a beach setting. There are some concerns about the proposal–too much parking, when government is moving towards carbon neutrality, and the inactive frontages along the western and northern edges of the site. I can tell from the hysterics of the usual suspects that they have not even looked at the plans, just gum bumping. I will let the know-it-alls continue.

  12. David Avatar
    David

    @enuff

    We agree to disagree, Barbados is an island and if the people are of the mind that an open look to the sea is desirable then it should be well received by planners. There is nothing preventing the NCC from making the gravel car park more appealing to enhance our expectation of the area.

  13. Enuff Avatar
    Enuff

    David
    An island with beautiful, resilient, sensible, traditional architecture too; but that does not stop many (including BU regulars) from building ugly ass, climatically unsuitable boxes to portray their “arrival”. The headline and arguments give the impression that the whole of Accra is getting blocked with a massive building. I note you have not addressed my point about enhancing visual amenity through marrying the natural and built environment. That’s where the discussion should start, not simply regurgitating a “window to the see” is blocked. Look at the proposals and objectively assess their impact, then comment.
    By the way the Cotton Bay project is fantastic, I always enjoy going down the stairs and chilling on the benches. Ah gone, let Abigail, Senior Editor and the deposit loser continue to show off their semi-literacy on all matters.

  14. David Avatar
    David

    @enuff

    The amenities point you made is addressed by the fact the blogmaster is philosophically opposed to construction on the coastline. The Bahamas model is our preference however we are passed that so we side with leaving existing windows to the sea untouched.

  15. Walter Blackman Avatar
    Walter Blackman

    Pachamama
    July 17, 2019 10:43 AM

    “Robert Lucas
    We, like you, are always willing to admit error too.
    To us, that is the mark of a real person.”

    Pachamamum,
    This is vintage Bajan deceit and hypocrisy on display. You have routinely “cussed me blind” for pointing out to you that you cannot spell, and therefore you need to read more. You have also cussed others, on this thread and elsewhere, when you ought to have admitted error instead .

    These “attributes” of deceit and hypocrisy which you are exhibiting here are also represented in the general population.
    Whereas we tend to focus a lot of attention and energy on politics and the economy, it is a social backlash that we need to fear most.

    Are there population traits (deceit, hypocrisy, corruption, envy, malice, cowardice, lethargy etc) that guarantee the downward spiral of a country, once a critical mass has been achieved? Does the Barbadian “populace” exhibit these destructive traits in enough abundance for us to be concerned?

    On the flip side, are there population traits (patriotism, industry, civic-mindedness, respect for law and order, relentless pursuit of national objectives, willingness to stand up and be counted when the situation demands it, etc) which create a planning springboard and an upward developmental trajectory for some countries? Does the Barbadian populace possess these “progressive” characteristics in sufficient quantities?

    Who really are we, as a people?

    PS: If you pay close attention, you might detect some deceit and hypocrisy rising to the top of this discussion on windows to the sea in Barbados.

  16. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    “By the way the Cotton Bay project is fantastic, I always enjoy going down the stairs and chilling on the benches. ”

    Oh ya like the Cotton Bay project, i see.

  17. FearPlay Avatar
    FearPlay

    Yesterday my daughter who is on vacation pleaded with me to go to the beach with her. In a moment of weakness, I agreed. We set off from St George with the intention of spending the afternoon on a West coast beach, Colony Club beach to be exact where, as a teenager I and friends spent many a Sunday afternoon following lunch.

    I warned my daughter before leaving home that many years had passed since last I visited this beach and did not know if it was still open to locals. As we attempted to turn off the main road into the Colony Club driveway, a very pleasant lady signaled for us to stop, which we did. She explained that there was tree trimming in progress and that if we intended to go on to the beach, it would be necessary to park on the opposite side of the main road, cross the highway and walk to the beach.

    I declined her kind offer as it would have been too cumbersome to walk that distance with chairs, beach accessories and picnic basket.

    I told my daughter that we would try Mullins Beach instead. We arrived at the beach to discover that while the beach is public, there is absolutely no parking whatsoever. Scratch that.

    Determined to find somewhere to relax and spend the afternoon with my fifteen year old daughter, I retraced my path back along the West Coast looking in desperation for somewhere to park where we could enjoy a view of the ocean and a beach on which to sit. Those of you familiar with this coast know that the needle’s eye through which I sought the camel would not be easily found.

    We eventually ended up on Accra Beach, the very same beach that that is now under threat. By the time we arrived there, both she and had completely lost or desire for a relaxed day at the beach and returned home disappointed.

    There are no excuses or justifications for this government to green light this project. John A suggested refunding the investors their purchase money and with that I agree wholeheartedly.

  18. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    THE CONCRETE WALL WILL BE BUILT

    Minister of Tourism Kerrie Symmonds today revealed that the legal work related to the construction of the Hilton Garden Inn at Carlisle Bay, Bay Street had already begun.

    If given the green light, it would be the second hotel planned for construction in the area, with the Hyatt Centric Resort scheduled to be built a short distance away.

    During a speech in Carlisle car park just over a month ago to celebrate the BLP’s first year in office, Prime Minister Mia Mottley announced that $3 billion would be spent in a Carlisle Bay project over the next seven years.

    She said it would result in hotels being constructed between Hastings, Christ Church and Batts Rock, St Michael.

    https://barbadostoday.bb/2019/07/18/prime-property/

  19. Mariposa Avatar
    Mariposa

    Yes i do sense hypocrisy and deception peppered with a long glass of pretentiuos wisdom coming from the older generation
    As a child i traverse the bay street area frequently by foot and can hardly remember any large afternoon locals taking full advantage of the Windows of the sea
    However i do recall late afternoon frequency by locals who took the advantage of having extramartial affairs when the sun went down below the horizon

  20. David Avatar
    David

    You took a survey to determine the marital status? Did you use CADRES?

    #spoton!

  21. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    @ FearPlay,

    You may have found a spot at Folkestone Park.

    There is also a lane to the beach next to Discovery Bay hotel.

  22. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    @ FearPlay,

    You have to treat the west coast as a foreign country lol.

    Do your research using google and you tube before leaving home.

  23. Mariposa Avatar
    Mariposa

    Well one does not have to take a survey on who is sneaking out on their wives or husbands to commit adultery
    Bajans are known tongue waggers
    Hard to keep a secret

  24. David Avatar
    David

    There you have folks.

  25. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    ” With tonnes of Sargassum seaweed still washing up on the northern and eastern coastlines, Minister of Maritime Affairs Kirk Humphrey has acknowledged that Government must go back to the drawing board to find a permanent solution.”

    Given that the South and West Coast has so few windows / access to the sea where are Bajans going to go ?

    Sargassum to the East and North, Concrete to the south and west.

  26. Miller Avatar
    Miller

    @ Hants July 18, 2019 9:35 AM

    If you swallow that piece of PR crap then you will accept that stinking Sinliar Sinckler was the greatest MoF Barbados ever had.

    Weren’t such big price ticket projects talked about ad nauseam under the last administration without one getting off the ground?

    What has become of that grandiose project of constructing an artificial island off the West coast as a playground for the filthy rich and infamous of the world to be called the Altman pipedream?

    Barbados cannot even borrow money to upgrade its South coast sewerage system or construct one for its platinum West coast now quickly turning into fool’s gold.

    Given the state of relations between the GoB and its foreign creditors where would the foreign exchange come from to back this $3 billion expenditure?

    Who are these investors with foreign money prepared to sink $3 billion in a sunset industry when Guyana is like an investor’s sunrise?

    The GoB needs to get back to basics and take its head out of the clouds floating above cuckoo land.

    It must fix firstly the sewerage and water distribution systems, the waste collection and disposal system, the roads, the government owned buildings, the quality of service delivered by the public sector and the judiciary clearly not fit for purpose before any talk of building additional hotels can be entertained.

  27. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @FearPlay July 18, 2019 9:18 AM

    i am all in favour of keeping as many beaches open as possible. But in the old days we often walked, and did not drive to the beach. if we all take cars and other paraphernalia to the beach more land is required for parking lots etc. and God hasn’t made any new land lately. Mullins beach was one of my go to childhood beaches. This beach like many west coast beaches is very, very narrow. I can’t tell you when as a child and young person during the hurricane season the sea “intruded” into the road. The mother of a school mate of mine used to keep a shop on the beach at Speightstown, the beach directly opposite the old community center, a bit north of St. Peter’s parish church. That shop is long gone. Global warming/sea level rise? Or construction further south all along the west coast? Nothing there now but sand and sea. No place for parking, or shops or anything except small numbers of people at a time. You may be able to park in the community center yard, St. Peter’s church yard, funerals at typically held at 2 p.m. so go before or after that time, or perhaps in the area of the busstand, or take a bus to Mullins or Speightstown. Disembark, enjoy.

  28. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @Mariposa July 18, 2019 10:25 AM “who is sneaking out on their wives or husbands to commit adultery.”

    Dear Mariposa: If you have never sneaked out to the beach for a bit of sunset hanky-panky with your lawfully wedded spouse, then you have missed some of life’s finer moments. Or early, early morning when the moon is setting and the sea is silver atop the lifeguard station at Folkestone beach, for a bit of “fake” adultery. Wonderful.

    Those were the good old days, when Barbados was a safer and much, much sweeter place.

  29. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ Miller at 11 :43 AM

    YES. We need to get our priorities right. The investments will follow. Investors look at the threats to their investments. Since we have added environmental risks to our caveats , foreign investors factor them into their cost benefit analyses.
    There is no credible mathematical model for uncertainties but these are taken qualitatively into the equation.
    Good intervention.

  30. Dame Bajans Avatar
    Dame Bajans

    i expect some of Mama Mia’s $2 billion will come from the “sale of GAIA shares to the NIS’”, as was reported in the press last week. I thought the NIS was on shaky legs and almost passed out when i saw that. Old dog, new dog, same dog.

  31. John A Avatar
    John A

    @Fearplay

    You know the saying what starts wrong ends wrong. Well that whole sale of Blue Horizon for the price that was paid needs exploring.

    Why doesn’t our government who ran on a ticket of “transparency and accountability ” share with us what was paid for the hotel and beach front land? The reality was the property was only bought to get at the beach front land! Of course no one wants to say so, so I will and invite any of them to challenge my statement!

    Having said that the property was conveyed at a price that would be confirmed in the conveyance, hence there is nothing wrong with government now by ” forceful acquisition” buying back the spot of beachfront land.

    Were they not willing to do that in Bay Street to Mrs Ram for purpose of “Tourism Decelopment”? So what good for the goose better for the gander. Apply the same logic and acquire this for the expansion of carpark and public access by tourist and visitors alike. After all Accra Beach is the most heavily used beach on the island, as well as being featured in many of our tourism promotions and brochures isn’t it?

    Well now is wunna chance to do something for tourism and locals alike on the South coast. So let me sit back and see which master you all going bend to, bearing In mind we the public voted you all in power.

  32. John A Avatar
    John A

    Maybe we should write some of the large tour companies like Virgin Holidays and ask them how they feel about losing this last sizeable piece of public access and car park to some hungry developers?

    I mean if this was to reach the UK Press shouldn’t we welcome their view and feedback? After all you all don’t want to hear from them what their view of losing this public access is too?

    No wunna wouldn’t want that to happen for sure! We just want to get here and do what is required in the dark of night, with no transparency being offered to us the real shareholders in these decisions.

  33. Hal Austin Avatar
    Hal Austin

    @ John A

    Barbados is a failed state.

  34. John A Avatar
    John A

    @ Hal

    You know in the past I used to tell you no just one in need of serious management.

    Well my friend I now got to agree with you and say it is a failed state as I can’t see anything changing between the last group and these. All the talk about transparency and accountability was talk for the vote and nothing more, that now is evident. 14 months later the garbage still pile up, the buses scarce like winning lotto tickets and the only thing that increase so far is taxation.

    So make room I in your boat now too sir!

  35. John A Avatar
    John A

    The other issue we need to explore the logic of is this Hotel Corridor stretching from hither to thither.

    Do those making these grand statements know that with the exception of a few weeks in the winter season, we can’t even fill the hotels we have now? Are they aware that in the summer most of our hotels struggle to get to a 50% occupancy? Is the logic therefore that we will give these investors be ” we need more hotels as 4 weeks on winter we are full?” That would be like telling the owners of Sheraton to double the size of their building as Christmas eve is crowded.

    I just got to smile when in hear some of these statements that’s the truth.

  36. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    @Fearplay
    Actually lots of spots you drove past. Path on Gibbs Beach next to property called South Winds(?), parking about 75ft down road on land side. Approx opposite Jordan’s near Italian restaurant, there is a large parking area on the beach side, also entrance to a small church (forget the name). Then if you go down by the Rum Refinery On Brighton beach road there is parking where that road ends, and access to the warm pool Bajans love, water from the Electricity generating plant. Or enjoy the beach, very few folks down there, and you can walk and see the mess that is Four Seasons. Also public access to Brighton Beach at the opposite end of the road. as a joke go at night and take @ac with you so she can watch the shock absorbers getting a workout.

  37. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    Forgot, also public access behind the Holetown Post Office.

  38. TLSN Avatar
    TLSN

    There is only one way to save the west and south coast. The idea is radical but should be looked at seriously. The government should compulsory purchase the majority of the country’s west and south coast properties/land. Evidently, there would be a couple of exemptions such as old and historical structures, quirky run-down chattel houses, The Hilton Hotel and Sandy Lane. The majority of the rest should come under the control of the government.

    Take a walk along either of these coastlines and you will see the most hideous architecture imaginable. You will witness a built environment which is disjointed and unsympathetic towards pedestrians and the locals. These buildings act as a curtain wall that denies both the visitor and Bajans access to the sea and beach and views of the sun disappearing into the sea. You would be hard pressed to find a building along these coastlines that have an ounce of architectural integrity.

    I am afraid that Mia and her government and Bajans in general have a limited knowledge of architectural history and the benefits that a country can derive from having a strong commitment to having a healthy and well designed built environment.

    On your next trip to the aforementioned coasts take a good look at how disjointed it looks. Now imagine if the majority of these building were demolished and a master plan was formulated that brought in clarity and beauty. We should redesign our coastal environment. this will benefit both tourist and Bajans. Mia proposes a corridor of hotels. Can you imagine what this corridor will look like. My God the woman is a philistine. Who will be held responsible for this forthcoming catastrophe?

    It should be evident to all that what is required is a master plan on the scale of Georges-Eugène Haussmann who redesigned Paris under the dictatorship of Napoleon. Our island is small. We can not allow our built-environment to be dictated to by hoteliers and a minority of selfish individuals. What sort of positive legacy and footprint can these charlatans bestow on our small island?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haussmann%27s_renovation_of_Paris

  39. Dullard Avatar
    Dullard

    @ Vincent
    I don’t think this statement is true.

    There is no credible mathematical model for uncertainties but these are taken qualitatively into the equation.

  40. Hal Austin Avatar
    Hal Austin

    Probability?

  41. Enuff Avatar
    Enuff

    David
    You have a right to your philosophical position, that doesn’t mean its right, pragmatic or sensible🤣🤣🤣. If the purpose of a “window to the sea” is to be a sensory stimulant then you can’t discount that such stimulation can be negated by a car park of cars pizuning people with Nox yet enhanced by a building and landscaping of high-quality. A setting/sense of place is not just the visual, but smells, sounds etc. The “window to the sea” argument in this instance is pure laziness void of any context.

  42. John A Avatar
    John A

    @Hal

    Don’t forget “Risk to reward ration”

  43. David Avatar
    David

    @enuff

    Is there a location in Barbados your position can be seen at work?

  44. David Avatar
    David

    @enuff

    You are aware Barbados has earned the label a concrete jungle?

  45. FearPlay Avatar
    FearPlay

    @John A, Excellent point regarding hotel occupancy and the need for more beds. If successful hotels are running at 80 – 85% occupancy during the high season, what is this mad rush to build out every available piece of beach front land with an hotel? Water scarce country, crumbling infrastructure, sick buildings, inadequate public transport, decaying city, road stock in disgusting state of disrepair, sewage treatment bordering on inadequate, and we want to populate the peninsula with, should I say, more half finished hotels and many, ugly to boot?

  46. Mariposa Avatar
    Mariposa

    July 18, 2019 3:18 PM

    As long as govt dont touch the Esplanade the car park that now makes the open window seems insignificant and the open window next to the old eye ward also another open window further down across from London Bourne Towers i am kool with all other decisions which would enchance the baystreet shit hole and breath new life into bridgetown

  47. John A Avatar
    John A

    @Fearplay

    Every now and again this government comes out with grand statements which when dissected are total nonesence, here are a few which say alot of nothing.

    ” we will establish a sandbox for digital currencies to play in.” HUN?

    “We will proceed with our austerity program while focusing on growth.” DO WHAT?

    ” We will build out a hotel corridor”. REALLY?

    These are but 3 that come to mind that when examined are short on substance to put it mildly.

    The last report on summer occupancy I saw showed a percentage of roughly 54% across the board. With winter being say 4 months at let’s say 80% on average and summer being 8 months at 54% on average, how could those figures support a mass build out of hotel rooms? Do the chosen ones realise even to fill our current rooms year around our arrivals would have to grown by roughly 20%?

    If we destroy our environment with concrete monuments then will terrorist come? Should we not try to improve the quality of our services and infrastructure first, with the hope of encouraging and maintaining a sustainable growth rate over a period?

    That is why I could never be a politician!

  48. Hal Austin Avatar
    Hal Austin

    @ John A

    Good on you. Don’t let the president mesmerise you with her waving hands and speaking without notes while talking contradictory waffle. Hold her feet to the fire.

  49. John A Avatar
    John A

    @Hal

    Thanks, you know I ain’t bashful when it comes to asking questions. Problem is I don’t get too many answers!

  50. SuckaBubby Avatar
    SuckaBubby

    This hotel corridor going suffer the same fate as the Limegrove Complex.

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