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The expression used at caption has found its way into the local vernacular to describe not merely the repetition of a number or series of numbers in the dividend such as when 1/3 or 1/7 is converted to decimal form but, less accurately, the too frequent re-emergence of a person or issue. Concerning the latter, I have remarked in this space on more occasions than a few, on the apparent local propensity to raise and re-circulate some matters of public discourse without ever coming to a definitive resolution of them one way or another. As a columnist, I am certainly not complaining since it provides some ready weekly fodder, but it is scarcely effective.

The list is indeed a long one -the policy of the imposition of the death penalty; the decriminalization of homosexual acts between consenting adults; the reform of our defamation laws; the establishment of a freedom of information culture and a condign statute; improved regulation of the privately owned public transportation sector; public and private sector integrity; a Contractor-General; the modern relevance of an Upper House of Parliament; and, finally, today’s topic, the inutility of the common entrance exam, more popularly known as the Eleven-plus or, even more officially and loftily, as the Barbados Secondary School Entrance Examination [BSEE].

Truth to tell, this issue is not as yet entered firmly into the current national discourse, but I read a newspaper report last week, in which my Cave Hill Campus colleague, Professor Joel Warrican, Director of the School of Education, lists this examination first among those conditions that “inhibit the fight of our young citizens to strengthen the resilience of the regional citizenry”. In the report, Professor Warrican appears to be more concerned with the “large proportion of students who do not meet the expected standards and the consequent stratification of the secondary school system created by the manner in which the results of the Common Entrance Examination are used to allocate students to schools, leading to “the marginalization of students who are allocated to ‘bad’ (sic) schools”.

I suppose that the first question that would be asked of the professor is the basis on which a school is to be assessed as “bad”, an adjective that is scarcely ever heard in popular local parlance. I am prepared to concede, however, that there exists in that argot the notion of “good” schools, so it seems conceivable that there must also be, comparatively, some not-so-good and even some bad ones, although it is unclear on what basis these designations are to be made.

As one who believes, errantly or otherwise, that I owe the nature of my current existence largely to my result in the Common Entrance Examination in the late 1960’s, I am naturally inclined to the view that it is the fairest system of transferring youngsters to secondary school, especially given the horror stories recounted of what obtained before, where it was not unknown for some to pass the examination only to fail the subsequent “interview” that was totally unrelated to the child’s academic prowess, but merely to his or her social standing and material comforts. Given my condition at eleven, it is at least doubtful whether I could have passed the interview component, never mind my performance in the academic aspect, hence the existence of my current bias.

Of course, one supposes that the nature and content of the examination itself could be adjusted; for instance, transfer from primary to secondary school might be effected at a later age and the element of continuous assessment by coursework constituting one aspect of the final mark, as now obtains in the regional secondary schools and UWI examinations clearly has a role to play. Concomitantly, the question begs asking, is assessment on the basis of prowess in English language and mathematics only a useful indicator of ability to cope academically at the secondary level?

The truth remains however, that the concept of examination remains the most common mode of determining progress at most levels of education. The first year student in the Bachelor of Laws programme at UWI cannot progress to the second year without having achieved success by examination in a sufficient number of his or her Part One courses, similarly to progress to the third year, and to the first and second years at Law School respectively. One would also have to pass examinations to become a certified butcher, baker or candlestick maker, so the notion of progress by examination is not inherently noisome.

The true problem with the BSEE is not the examination itself, rather it is what populism makes of it. The students who gain top placement in the BSEE are more lauded and feted initially and for a longer period by a fawning press than those who acquire terminal degrees in subjects of national development value. They inevitably become the darlings of their teachers and the parents bask vicariously in the achievement of their offspring, at least until a new cadre replaces the “top ten” the following year.

There is, strangely enough, no similar press follow-up for the BSEE high achiever unless she or she goes on to be a success otherwise. Indeed, the examination itself is made into a national spectacle with televised and newspaper interviews and parents and their young charges after the event, gifts of examination materials, complete with the obligatory news coverage by the ubiquitous politician; and special events put on by local restaurants for those who can afford it. And the outcomes of the BSEE persevere well into adulthood here where many individuals are often described by reference to their secondary school rather than to their tertiary affiliation.

In any ensuing public discourse on this matter, the onus is clearly on those who would seek to replace the BSEE with another form of transfer to propose it and to justify its existence in what is claimed to be a meritocratic polity. Given the current state of affairs, any system that is less objective than an examination arguably runs the risk of being categorized as discriminatory to some among us as the pernicious old “interview”


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411 responses to “The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – A Recurring Decimal”


  1. @WARU
    “while claiming to be the most (mis)…educated people in the Caribbean, if not the world”

    Overcoming 50+ years of mis-educating a nation is a hard struggle. Even those who are fully aware of the failure of the system prefer to keep the status quo. In a sense, the system is a glaring succcess for it does the job that it was designed to do – keeping us ignorant and divided.

    I admire your stamina in fighting this uphill battle daily. You will get much criticism here, for the truths that you preach are not consistent with the world that they live in.

    Always remember the words of Harriet Tubman “I freed a thousand slaves. I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves.”

    You will not wake them all.

  2. sirfuzzy (i was a sheep some years ago; not a sheep anymore) Avatar
    sirfuzzy (i was a sheep some years ago; not a sheep anymore)

    The BSEE is not the perfect way to transition a student from primary to secondary school. But it appears to be the fairest way of doing such. As God has given certain children more developed intelligence at a certain age than others what we are doing is exploiting the initial deposit that God has made in the nations children.

    As a society we need to see that the initial deposit need to be put into a incubator(school) and allowed to fulfil it mandate at whatever time the chicken hatches/blooms. So for some it wil be 16yrs; for other at 18yrs others at 22 but some may be at 25 or later.

    Therefore society need to stop putting artificial time limits on God deposits because we want o to cash them in before they have matured. In the Bible we see stories of persons called by God at all ages not all were a teen like King David; some were old like Abraham and maybe middle aged like Jacob/Israel and his Sons especial Joseph, Daniel etc.
    .


  3. Theo…so sad that from the leaders of parliament and at least 90% of the black population..DO NOT KNOW THAT THEY ARE NOT FREE..BUT THEY COULD BE…by freeing themselves..from mental chains and shackles..

    that is why the island is unable to move forward, THE LEADERS are STILL stuck in the comfort zone and TIME WARP of delusions CREATED JUST FOR THEM…where they are leading the people straight into self annihilation ..

    ah know they will not wake up for another 50 years, maybe 75 tops… most have to die out to free the survivors, their presence on earth is not fit for purpose…so it will not happen for another 3 generations…at least.

    every scam and self destructive philosophy created just for them, they happily jump in and GET TRAPPED.


  4. I was in discussion with a retired primary school teacher a few months ago and he made an interesting observation.He said he found it amazing that if, for example, the pass mark for the 11+ is 60%, we could justifiably claim that those students gaining percentages OVER the “pass mark,” passed for HC, Lodge, Foundation, St. Michael’s etc.

    However, those students who received percentages UNDER the “pass mark” have, FAILED and we cannot claim they “passed” for schools such as Parkinson, Princess Margaret, Springer, Grantley Adams.

    I had to agree. But here is the real problem. These students that received under the “pass mark” are allocated to schools where the curriculum is similar to that of the Combermere, QC, etc……and they take with them the “bad” learning habits they developed in primary school.

    So, essentially, we expect them to learn maths and English at CXC level…….when they have already FAILED the BASICS of these subjects at 11+ level……

    ………..and also expect them to learn “new subjects,” such as chemistry, physics, biology, accounting, (which have components of maths), as well as subjects in which some level of comprehension is necessary……

    ……….and further expect them to “graduate” from secondary school with 10 CXC subjects.

    We often speak about the students who may perform later in life. But what about those who do not and are left hanging after the 11+?

    The reality of the situation is…….in Bajan parlance……”these students are not ready for secondary school.”

    Therefore, the education officials should look at remedial education, which “is assigned to assist students in order to achieve expected competencies in core academic skills such as literacy and numeracy. Whereas special education is designed specifically for students with special needs, remedial education can be designed for any students, with or without special needs.”

    I remember years ago, having “passed” the CEE at 10, going to Combermere, for example, in your first year, you would have entered a lower first, e.g. “lower 1D”……then on to “upper 1D.”

    A lower first form for remedial education could be established at secondary schools. It would also beneficial to those students who may have experienced a “bad” 11+ examination day.


  5. But no matter how much they LONG FOR AND PINE TO BE SLAVES AGAIN…and no matter how long their. EVIL LEADERS continue to DECEIVE THEM JUST TO ROB THEM….keeping them miseducated to enrich themselves and others..

    THEY CANNOT CHANGE THIS FACT..

    “The University of Virginia in Charlottesville is naming buildings for enslaved people who worked there, and teaching high school students about how modern racial inequities are rooted in the slaveholding past.”

    Barbados will continue to look like the most backward island on earth..with the most BACKWARD LEADERS ON EARTH..who encourage, enable and condone… racism, apartheid and segregation in the 21st century…

    at least those slave countries that still exist are nowhere NEARLY as hypocritical and pretensive.


  6. @Ping Pong

    A pity we are not able to test your hypothesis given the vast data that must be available.


  7. @ Ping Pong who wrote ” Other than the students, there is no difference in terms of teachers, teacher training, curriculum, infrastructure, books etc between say Queen’s College and Grantley Adams.”

    If true zoning would probably work.

  8. Overseas Observer Avatar
    Overseas Observer

    More Land STEALING FROM THE ELDERLY IN BARBADOS AIDED BY LAWYERS/POLITICIANS:

    Battling in court for 21 years

    The legal owners of what has become the biggest squatting village in Barbados are finally speaking out.

    Valdeen Broomes and her daughters Pamela and Mona have broken their silence on Six Men’s Village, St Peter, which is now being occupied by more than 300 squatters.

    The family, who have been quietly fighting in the law courts for 21 years to have control of what is legally theirs, told THE NATION they had gathered enough evidence to show that corruption, theft and lies, surrounded the coveted Six Men’s land.

    The 84 year-old matriarch is convinced that several squatters, including non-nationals, who now occupy the 27 acres of prime beach front land, a portion of the wider 240 acres Six Men’s Plantation, were given permission to settle there by politicians.

    http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/231889/battling-court-21

  9. pieceuhderockyeahright Avatar
    pieceuhderockyeahright

    De ole man posted this already

    But I will post it again.

    De ole man busy nowadays with tings dem.

    So not much time for BU.

    But there are two things that I’d like to say

    @ ManyPosers

    You said and I quote.

    “…Yesterday i posted a comment to effect that BU website might have been sold to a high ranking blp official

    The more of these wishy washy articles i read with an intent to point negative comments away from this govt the more i am beginning to believe that BU controlled mechansim is being rebuilt and reconstructed by blp political hands…”

    Yours Manyposers, is a logical fear AND MAY BE TRUE!! The Conspiracist will not comment at this time.

    If so what does it mean?

    It means that Mugabe has bought out the final Voice of Social Dissent in Barbados AND THAT THE BORG HAD A PRICE.

    THAT IS WHAT IT MEANS, ON THE SURFACE ALONE.

    But what does it really mean deeper down, IF IT IS TRUE?

    Let me explain using an example that readers here can more easily identify with.

    To the Luminary Jeff Cumberbatch, I beg your temporary indulgence as I make this point.

    Since, for me to make the point using the BU BORG as an example, WOULD NOT BE AS IMPACTFUL.

    Since complicity at the level of The BORG is anticipated , rather such would be a logical conclusion for a Despot like Mugabe Mottley to pursue.

    But at the level of Jeff Cumberbatch what would this hypothetical present?

    It would present total turpitude of the Barbados values ManyPosers.

    T Inniss makes a very salient point as to the seeming vacuous meanjnglessness of this 11+ topic.

    The 11 plus exam, what is its import?

    The point made about zoning is so archaically disconnected WHEN, GIVEN THE US $236 MILLION WASTE FOOP OF MUGABE’ S EDUTECH, A SIMPLE INTERACTIVE, DIGITAL WHITEBOARD, AT ALL THE SCHOOLS, WOULD NULLIFY ALL THIS SHY$E TALK ABOUT “GOOD & BAD” SCHOOLS.

    Wunna understands de ole man?

    This discussion, in the context of all the EDUTECH technology that we and our grandchildren are indebted to the IDB for, SEEMS A FICKLE DISCOURSE

    Simply put, the inept curriculum that is being taught at Harsun College, and which is breeding dutiful teifing Ministers like Pofnvilld Inniss, and pooch lickers like David Come Sing a Song from Hunky Corner, can, WITH THE UPGRADE OF THE EDUTECH RAPE BY MUGABE MOTTLEY, provide totally connected schools.

    That would mean that what is taught by Tank at Harsun College WILL BE TAUGHT AT ST MARGRETS AND ST LUCY’S SECONDARY.

    In fact if we were to start at out primary schools, then this would be an even more inconsequential discussion

    So, back to the main point here T Inniss speaks of “dumbed down articles” which, while they provide some new vocabulary, do nothing as it relates to the more important issues that beseige this totalitarian state.

    So now, retracting that hypothetical posit about BU selling out, rather the LUMINARY Jeff Cumberbatch selling out, my question to the Luminary is this.

    Could fe ole man ask you, what options are available to Bajans, in the unlikely? event that we are being placed in an anarchy, is there any legal recourse that you can advise us all about?

    Notwithstanding the import and impact of this 11+ issue of dire import…


  10. And in REALITY..that is what happens when you MEASURE YOUR INTELLIGENCE…by someone else’s STANDARDS..CREATED by THEM…JUST FOR YOU…


  11. @ Overseas Observer,

    Waiting for property owners to die is a ” business plan “.

  12. pieceuhderockyeahright Avatar
    pieceuhderockyeahright

    @ the Honourable Blogmaster your assistance pleaseeeee with an item for Manyposer and T Inniss for the LUMINARY Jeff Cumberbatch


  13. David
    To clarify, successful students come from every area and community of Barbados. I believe that it is the values and mores of the homes from which those children come, along with the child’s willingness to align himself/herself with positive influences and exemplars that facilitate success. As far as schools go, every Bajan child is given a chance to do well in every endeavour regardless of the school.


  14. @Ping Pong

    Your observation is noted. What is to prevent a controlled set of data to be analyzed correlated between academic performance and the socioeconomic standing of the households?


  15. james watson says your screwed

  16. The Truth Shall Set You Free Avatar
    The Truth Shall Set You Free

    WARU

    Please sit down and relax for a few minutes.

    I have a few questions to ask you, which I think are reasonable. Please, NO OFFENCE IS INTENDED.

    HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT OF CREATING YOUR OWN BLOG?

    Why do you find it necessary to hog the show on every topic on Barbados Underground?

    Instead of posting one or two comments about something, why do you have to post 20 comment saying the same thing every day, and most of the time they are not relevant to the topic?

    It is becoming difficult scrolling past your posts because they are too many.

    If someone tells you something that you do not agree with, why do you find it necessary to reply to them with 10 posts? Don’t you believe that is silly?

    Why do you think Barbados Underground is only about you and your opinions?

    What business is it of yours if people choose to remain, as you say, blind? Did they call upon you to give them sight?

    Why do you think it is right for you to be the self-appointed teacher and to try to impose your beliefs on others?

    COULD YOU PLEASE REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF POSTS FOR 2019…PRETTY PLEASE?


  17. A casual observation can be made the approach by the Chief Education Officer and how that person is allowed to recommend senior teachers in the system as one example of political interference. There are several others.

  18. pieceuhderockyeahright Avatar
    pieceuhderockyeahright

    @ Ping Pong

    it would appear that you wrote

    ”…Other than the students, there is no difference in terms of teachers, teacher training, curriculum, infrastructure, books etc between say Queen’s College and Grantley Adams…”

    I actually have posted a response to this remark TWICE but the Honourable Blogmaster who is on duty to 3 oclock, not the father, has yet to retrieve what is a controversial blog.

    I dont expect it to be posted soon.

    But suffice it to say that in 2019 we are as backward as we were in the 1920’s.

    And where there is no vision the people will perish

    The answer to this innocuous issue is in front of us and even after spending US $236 million on it we still have learnt nothing

    Notwithstanding having made Mugabe and Armstrong/Illuminat multimillionaires heheheh

  19. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    Allocation secondary school places by geographic catchment area is the most widespread non-exam methodology for deciding which child goes to which school. It has been proven that it can work well in many different contexts around the world

    @ PLT, this is surely based on the assumption that ALL schools are Equal? But are they? Historically? Academically? Pedagogical;lay? Culturally?


  20. I agree with PLT’s comment re “geographic catchment”, not sure what purpose is served when students from St. Peter or St. Andrew have to journey to Bridgetown to attend school. Places at some schools are so coveted that many people who really can’t afford it pay extra so their charges can receive after school instruction so they can “pass” for certain schools, some parents fudge their address so their children can attend what they consider “feeder” schools to “right” schools that are viewed as pre-eminent. To a certain extent it remains a battle between the “haves” and “have nots”, notwithstanding the stories about people who manage to attend some schools despite their parents economic and financial struggles. Isn’t it time that some cease ridiculous comments about “Garrison” etc. when they all end up at UWI.

  21. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @PLT, very true you have never concealed your biases but you are forever a product of your “patrician’ parents and your own ‘disavowed seemingly’? bourgeoisie youth so like it or not you can’t cut that from who you are and I contend that similarly Barbados is what it is as a small island society and neither can we cut out certain trappings of our growth. …. we have to work in concert with what is, improving and adapting well.

    I agree with @Hal when he echoed the Dean and said “* [t]he Barbados educational system does need serious reforms, but a geographical catchment area is not it.”*….. Thus we all agree…the question still remains ‘the how’.

    You mention Finland which as far as I know is a relatively homogeneous country with an above average scale of citizen wealth (not in poverty/disadvantaged). So despite your simple need to get rid of our old spoils/ social class system regardless of replacement the question still is can we achieve a Finnish level of eqauality in our school system (St.Lucy’s, St. George’s, Parkinson, St.Leonord’s) so that all are on even par to HC or QC and still allow a cadre of top achievers to graduate from any one of those institutions with A of excellence?

    Possible, surely…likely, time will tell!

    But either way it does sppear our educational planners see it your way or at least some hybrid form as they have moved to establish 6th forms at more schools thus allowing the last part to possibly happen (scholar from any 6th form institution) …whether they will go the next giant step and transfer by zone is left to be seen.

    I still feel its difficult to envision your equality model …long term. As noted the patrician class will still want to set their kids apart and will either create private high schools for final teen schooling years or push the govt to re-establish a HC/QC Talented Class ‘incubator’ for suppodsedly gifted kids.

    @Hal, you answered your own questions …“Why is it for decades that Harrison College performs better than Parkinson? “ … as you said, with the LAST obviously the most important: “…because of resources… quality of staff…quality of input students?”

    There is no need to quibble. Simply stated, if you leave St. Giles with two buddies as top of class students and you all proudly see yourselves as the ‘best’ and after first term at HC, QC or even Cawmere or St. Michael’s at some level, you are beaten in class ranking by several ‘basis points’ by five other boys and girls who ALSO left their schools as valedictorian that creates competitive strife for the next six years leading to A’s on CAPE ideally.

    Fact is there should be similar competitive juice flowing at all the other schools…and PLT’s position says that would indeed take place if those 8 star pupils are distributed across three or four equally equipped/staffed schools… he is not wrong of course…but getting there in Bim will take some major adjustments… we’ll see!

    I gone.


  22. @Dee Word

    You continue the focus on the academic student. How about some accommodation for vocational training in the education system?

  23. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    my question to the Luminary is moreso to ascertain what options are available to Bajans, in the unlikely? event that we are being placed in an anarchy, is there any legal recourse that you can advise us all about?

    @Piece, If, as you suggest we are BEING placed in an anarchy, and since any such form of governance would be unconstitutional, the courts with the power to illegalize any measure that is contrary to the Constitution, will remain our last bastion of protection


  24. “But suffice it to say that in 2019 we are as backward as we were in the 1920’s.”

    compounded more so when you are determinedly fighting to keep a system, including an education system…THAT YOU DID NOT CREATE FOR YOUR CHILDREN, GRANDCHILDREN…and future generations of your spawn…..which IS DESTRUCTIVE TO SAME..

    ah bet ya if they had actually created that system of destruction..any old lowlife country..UK etc could walk in and take it away from them…for a bribe. OF COURSE..but since they NEVER CREATED anything worth anything…they are fighting to keep something destructive…only to them..

    but don’t mind me..am “crazy and unstable”


  25. @Pedantic,

    Examples always best illustrate the case in point. During my time the two ‘top’ primary schools were Wesley Hall and St Giles; there was intense competition. Our bragging right was that Wesley Hall produced Barrow and St Giles Adams. We thought we had the better pick.
    Within St Giles the headmaster (or to be more precise J.O. Morris, the other heads did not) had a class of kids drawn from all over the school (classes two to four) who he taught personally. Morris was a brilliant man and it is a shame his name has been allowed to die a natural death. This was the group from whom much was expected.

  26. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    You continue the focus on the academic student. How about some accommodation for vocational training in the education system?

    @ David, would this training be by choice orwell it be by default if the pupil does not become an academic star?


  27. BTW…Lawson..how is that negative 22 degree weather treating you today, if ya in Toronto,,I imagine Ottawa is a whole other world today, that I do not want to be in..

    .. I grew suspicious when my son-in-law invited me up, knowing that misery loves company..ah told him, unless it is life or death…ya on ya own..lol


  28. @Jeff

    Good question.

    Inforing such a decision must be strategic national needs.

    The time has come where pragmatic decisions must be taken. The love affair with a system that is not growing a knowledge capital to lead us from this mess is so visibly apparent.

    We have to change it up.


  29. Hal Austin

    During my time the two top primary schools were Roebuck and Wesley Hall … we competed in everything … and we edge Wesley Hall in academic and athletics…

  30. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @Jeff
    “… this is surely based on the assumption that ALL schools are Equal…”
    ++++++++++++++++
    No Jeff, it is not based on the assumption that all schools are equal, it is simply the first and sine qua non step in creating a system of equal schools. The inequality of the schools is NOT meritocratic… it is a contemporary and historic system for creating and perpetuating class inequity and social division. It has no place in a democratic Barbados.


  31. @Ping Pong
    I believe that it is the values and mores of the homes from which those children come, along with the child’s willingness to align himself/herself with positive influences and exemplars that facilitate success.
    +++++++++++
    Judging by the above comment I can see where you align yourself in the nature vs nurture argument.


  32. Actually…many colleges AND COMPANIES understand that the way forward…is TRADE SCHOOLS..academia is being PHASED OUT…many job descriptions will be ELIMINATED…it is a BRAVE new world…where HAVING A TRADE…will be king…

    SKILLS…will become a trade mandatory requirement..the industrial world NEEDS well skilled people …..people are tired of the overrated academics who pollute wall st, and everywhere else, many are going to jail…their minds are too chaotic…not STRUCTURED and regimental….they have become useless..

    ….academia is overrated..and has become more or less…USELESS.

    They need to turn both BCC and UWI into TRADE FRIENDLY SCHOOLS…and stop all the PRETENSE……it. has gotten yall NOWHERE in 53 years and ya will be standing STILL MOTIONLESS AND UNABLE TO MOVE FORWARD.. in another 53 years…..if ya keep up with the same pretences and expect different results….

  33. Overseas Observer Avatar
    Overseas Observer

    @ plt

    The old Colonial masters created the 11+ and left it behind as part of their SLAVE legacy IN BARBADOS,

    The same Colonial Masters meaning England then got rid of it over 48 years ago as they realized it was a badly flawed model and was changed IN England WHERE THERE IS NO 11+.

    Bajans it seems who are only good at copying others and not being creative have stuck with a 11+ Model because of their inability to create a different and fair education system WHICH WOULD ALLOW THE ISLAND TO PROGRESS.

    Is Finland in the hands of the IMF as a failed country like Barbados for the third time?

    Bajans are great copiers and lack originality of thought.

    .

  34. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @Lexicon
    “During my time the two top primary schools were Roebuck and Wesley Hall…”
    +++++++++++++
    Those were the top PUBLIC primary schools. The wealthy sent their children to private primary schools which achieved much higher results. I went to Mrs. Carrington’s on Pine Rd with other privileged Black and some White children. Many more White children went to Mrs. Smale’s. Among my small class of about 10 (that was one of my first unfair advantages) ALL the boys got into HC and ALL the girls into QC to the best of my recollection.

  35. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    “WARU

    Please sit down and relax for a few minutes.”

    You need to know YOUR GODDAMN PLACE..

    I skip many blogs…don’t stop anyone from posting…I read what I want to…the blogs I go on, everyone traverses,..if you have some kinda inferiority complex about people NOT READING your posts… TAKE IT UP WITH YASELF…I HAVE NO SUCH LACK OF CONFIDENCE ISSUES…


  36. Waru it’s not cold in the hot tub only when you run out of vodka


  37. @ Overseas Observer,

    Are you suggesting that the good professor got it wrong when he said Cyril Burt created the 11+?
    @PLT The problem with Barbados is that many people, two ore at most three generations away from cutting canes and forking the ground, believe they are some how privileged. You are not. Anyone who could afford to pay Mrs Carrington would have been accepted in her school.
    Let me say, she also taught at St Giles, is a great product of the Ivy and is from a very decent family. I had huge respect for her mother.

  38. pieceuhderockyeahright Avatar
    pieceuhderockyeahright

    @ Peter Lawrence Thompson

    You see why I have a fear about men like you leading cutting edge thought as it relates to ICT diversification initiatives going forward?

    I am a teacher under the revised EDUTECH scam a la Mugabe.

    I have 20 students at Eagle Hsll Primary whose individual grades are tabulated electronically

    So I know that student’s GPA and hypothetically its aptitude

    In similar vein the retarded outdated Ministry of Education should know what my teaching competencies are BASED ON MY DIGITAL SCORECARD

    I am not even going to comment on aptitude testing and curriculum BOLT-ONs to determine streaming but I will comment on this calcified thought process which is anathema to, AND INCONSISTENT WITH, ghd very thing you recently championed.

    Or purport to have championed

    YOU CANNOT BE PROMOTING CODING AND ICT YET BE INCAPABLE OF CONCEIVJNG DIGITAL EVALUATIONS OF THE TEACHERS.

    It makes me wonder what M&E structures permeate your initiatives

  39. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    Or if the cold takes down the power lines…then ya really got problems..happened in 2012–13..if you remember.

    ah hope ya well stocked up on vodka..lol….

    …anytime my son-in-law is being overly generous…watch out…

  40. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @pieceuhderockyeahright,
    “YOU CANNOT BE PROMOTING CODING AND ICT YET BE INCAPABLE OF CONCEIVJNG DIGITAL EVALUATIONS OF THE TEACHERS”
    ++++++++++++++++++
    I agree with you completely. The education system in Finland is run by educators, not politicians, not businesspersons, not entrepreneurs. Classes are small and teachers are well trained, evaluated, and compensated.

    The TEN Habitat Code Academy uses the M&E (measurement and evaluation, for those not up on their educator jargon) developed by those who developed the curriculum in the USA. If we need to make changes to adapt it to the Barbados context then that is what we will do when we have data that indicates we need to.

  41. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    “Classes are small and teachers are well trained, evaluated, and compensated.”

    a total win, win..

  42. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    What is actually numbing is that the ministry of miseducation..do not want Black bajans to be home schooled..they have no problems with closed brethren whites, Indians of any variety or any clown crawling into Barbados….. homeschooling their children…as long as THEY ARE NOT BLACK.but want to torment their own people..if they attempt to home school..

    the most backward, dumb, miseducated leaders reside in Barbados…


  43. In America and I quite many of you know this … you cannot teach unless you have a master’s degree or you are working towards your master’s degree … the head Boy at St. Leonard’s Boys Secondary where I attended in the early 80s, taught at the same school just after he had graduated … things that make you say hum…

  44. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    OK..I gone after dis…

    Thus @Hal, as you surely know that class u describes became in US/Canadian argot (@Jeff 👍🏿) ‘Gifted and Talented’! Have no idea what you guys call it up there but I was making the earlier point that twist and turn we will but back to square one we return…a few levels up admittedly !

    @David, no Mr Blogmaster it may appear so I have not just “focus[ed] on the academic student”. I stressed that we can’t get rid of the current system without accepting that we have a path for our smart students to show their youthful excellence…but note carefully I also stressed very early in my commentary (first one) that there are many who excel beyond “test taking” and they too must be highlighted…..That was my nod, wink, headshake and acclaim to those who succeed outside straight-up academics.

    And it must be clear that systems for gifted students DOES also mean talented in arts and similar skills…I used the term tradeskills rather than “vocational”.

    @Artax, first up I thought you were younger 🤣….most secondary schools did away with Lower First back in early late 70s as I recall…you almost as old as me!…

    I agree with you but as far as I know there is currently much remedial work done at some secondary schools not so…in some cases surely they classify groups accordingly and tutor that class and in others they likely have a teacher providing the remediation work as a scheduled class for the entire incoming set of students….at least this is based on the feedback I get from my teaching colleagues.

    Just as there is tutoring provided for those with dyslexia or other identifiable challemges.

    But to your key point …it’s not easy catering to all the needs of students who are poorly prepared due to bad home dynamics or other issues…it’s mind boggling that any child can get zero at CEE because that means they were badly guided all along the way… so yes remediation must be implemented early but so too breakfast for the child, someplace to rest without noise, drugs etc.

    When I was at primary school I hated the disgusting hard biscuits (eat them now as a ‘delicacy – go figure) and the milk and never took either but I left home every morning after eating breakfast so I was the most shocked person to be told (asked actually) to contribute for a breakfast program at ***** because a few kids well were coming to school without a morning meal… and thus no lunch and likely no supper.

    That too badly affects the ability to study and need for remediation.

    It’s tough out there.

    Gone, gone.


  45. WARU

    Maybe the ministry of education has incorrectly concluded that Whites and Indians have the financial wherewithal to educate their children at home and blacks do not?

  46. The Truth Shall Set You Free Avatar
    The Truth Shall Set You Free

    “if you have some kinda inferiority complex about people NOT READING your posts… TAKE IT UP WITH YASELF…I HAVE NO SUCH LACK OF CONFIDENCE ISSUES…”

    You are not only unstable and crazy, you don’t understand English too and when you keep changing your name every time someone criticize you or when you argue with everyone by posting 40 times to say the say thing, that is a sure sign of lack of confidence issues. I never said I have an inferiority complex about people not reading my posts.

    Look, this is what I mean. If the topic is the sky is blue, the grass is green or the new Toyota Corolla looks nice, you will post about 35 comments to each about, white minorities…… thieves or slaves in parliament joining with white minorities to steal from the treasury and pension fund….. thieving lawyers, COW, Bizzy, Mark Maloney….. evil leaders…..all of which have nothing to do with the topic.

    All I meant to tell you was that you post too many times of the same thing to every topic and posting so many times means you are hogging the show. What is so difficult about that that you can’t understand?

  47. William Skinner Avatar

    It is obvious that this debate about the eleven plus cannot gain any momentum of importance. Jeff’s article is consistent with the those who cannot see the country beyond what currently obtains in matters pertaining to the educational system.His reference to all the other matters still outstanding for decades, glaringly bears out this fact.
    We are very short on progressive thinkers and it’s understandable while Hal and others would return to the old scapegoat of identifying female teachers as a problem within the system.
    The just as old idea that single sex schools will solve the problem has more to do with the mentality of those men who see women as threats to their egos and clearly exposes their insecurities.
    The eleven plus exam is perhaps the most damaging exercise in our nation. It ruthlessly destroys thousands of students for the elevation of a few. Jeff himself admits to this fact but failed to go further and examine the fall out from this malady.
    I agree with him about extending the time spent at primary school. In 1987, I made a similar suggestion to the Task Force on Employment.
    No wonder then that there were attempts to move the topic away from the elitist educational system.
    In the meantime, we continue to foolishly believe we can produce a 2019 model on a 1919 production line.


  48. The system of housing all A, B, and C students in their respective classes based on their grades much go … because it sends the wrong message in the teaching environment … in America A, B, and C students sit in the same classroom …there is no stratification….

  49. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    William…more fool them …and dumb..and backward..and mis/uneducated….for leaders..

    but don’t worry ..more ammunition we get to expose them…with the help of their IMPS and PIMPS…

    Talking loud …ah was looking for something of substance in ya post but nada…why don’t you start ya own blog..

    ..

  50. pieceuhderockyeahright Avatar
    pieceuhderockyeahright

    @ Leximoron

    That statement DOES NOT MAKE SENSE where you equate letters of academia with pedagogical competencies automatically

    Some of us were schooled in the US and know that many of the so called qualified teachers float through the system and are very much a part of the problem NOTWITHSTANDING THEIR DEGREE.

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