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The expression used at caption has found its way into the local vernacular to describe not merely the repetition of a number or series of numbers in the dividend such as when 1/3 or 1/7 is converted to decimal form but, less accurately, the too frequent re-emergence of a person or issue. Concerning the latter, I have remarked in this space on more occasions than a few, on the apparent local propensity to raise and re-circulate some matters of public discourse without ever coming to a definitive resolution of them one way or another. As a columnist, I am certainly not complaining since it provides some ready weekly fodder, but it is scarcely effective.

The list is indeed a long one -the policy of the imposition of the death penalty; the decriminalization of homosexual acts between consenting adults; the reform of our defamation laws; the establishment of a freedom of information culture and a condign statute; improved regulation of the privately owned public transportation sector; public and private sector integrity; a Contractor-General; the modern relevance of an Upper House of Parliament; and, finally, today’s topic, the inutility of the common entrance exam, more popularly known as the Eleven-plus or, even more officially and loftily, as the Barbados Secondary School Entrance Examination [BSEE].

Truth to tell, this issue is not as yet entered firmly into the current national discourse, but I read a newspaper report last week, in which my Cave Hill Campus colleague, Professor Joel Warrican, Director of the School of Education, lists this examination first among those conditions that “inhibit the fight of our young citizens to strengthen the resilience of the regional citizenry”. In the report, Professor Warrican appears to be more concerned with the “large proportion of students who do not meet the expected standards and the consequent stratification of the secondary school system created by the manner in which the results of the Common Entrance Examination are used to allocate students to schools, leading to “the marginalization of students who are allocated to ‘bad’ (sic) schools”.

I suppose that the first question that would be asked of the professor is the basis on which a school is to be assessed as “bad”, an adjective that is scarcely ever heard in popular local parlance. I am prepared to concede, however, that there exists in that argot the notion of “good” schools, so it seems conceivable that there must also be, comparatively, some not-so-good and even some bad ones, although it is unclear on what basis these designations are to be made.

As one who believes, errantly or otherwise, that I owe the nature of my current existence largely to my result in the Common Entrance Examination in the late 1960’s, I am naturally inclined to the view that it is the fairest system of transferring youngsters to secondary school, especially given the horror stories recounted of what obtained before, where it was not unknown for some to pass the examination only to fail the subsequent “interview” that was totally unrelated to the child’s academic prowess, but merely to his or her social standing and material comforts. Given my condition at eleven, it is at least doubtful whether I could have passed the interview component, never mind my performance in the academic aspect, hence the existence of my current bias.

Of course, one supposes that the nature and content of the examination itself could be adjusted; for instance, transfer from primary to secondary school might be effected at a later age and the element of continuous assessment by coursework constituting one aspect of the final mark, as now obtains in the regional secondary schools and UWI examinations clearly has a role to play. Concomitantly, the question begs asking, is assessment on the basis of prowess in English language and mathematics only a useful indicator of ability to cope academically at the secondary level?

The truth remains however, that the concept of examination remains the most common mode of determining progress at most levels of education. The first year student in the Bachelor of Laws programme at UWI cannot progress to the second year without having achieved success by examination in a sufficient number of his or her Part One courses, similarly to progress to the third year, and to the first and second years at Law School respectively. One would also have to pass examinations to become a certified butcher, baker or candlestick maker, so the notion of progress by examination is not inherently noisome.

The true problem with the BSEE is not the examination itself, rather it is what populism makes of it. The students who gain top placement in the BSEE are more lauded and feted initially and for a longer period by a fawning press than those who acquire terminal degrees in subjects of national development value. They inevitably become the darlings of their teachers and the parents bask vicariously in the achievement of their offspring, at least until a new cadre replaces the “top ten” the following year.

There is, strangely enough, no similar press follow-up for the BSEE high achiever unless she or she goes on to be a success otherwise. Indeed, the examination itself is made into a national spectacle with televised and newspaper interviews and parents and their young charges after the event, gifts of examination materials, complete with the obligatory news coverage by the ubiquitous politician; and special events put on by local restaurants for those who can afford it. And the outcomes of the BSEE persevere well into adulthood here where many individuals are often described by reference to their secondary school rather than to their tertiary affiliation.

In any ensuing public discourse on this matter, the onus is clearly on those who would seek to replace the BSEE with another form of transfer to propose it and to justify its existence in what is claimed to be a meritocratic polity. Given the current state of affairs, any system that is less objective than an examination arguably runs the risk of being categorized as discriminatory to some among us as the pernicious old “interview”


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411 responses to “The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – A Recurring Decimal”

  1. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    I don’t believe that anyone credible is advocating a return to “interviews” for admission to secondary school; this is a red herring. We need to improve our education system so it makes sense to analyze those places that have achieved a better education system than we have: Finland, Estonia, Norway, Singapore…

  2. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    Singapore still uses arm exam system similar to the 11+, while Finland, which outperforms Singapore, sends secondary students to the school which is closest to their home.


  3. What is still not clear is what exactly is wrong with the 11+? Then there are issues of fact raised by Prof Warrican: Is he right that Cyril Burt created the 11+
    Then there is interpretation: What system did we use in Barbados prior to 1944 for the transition of primary school children to our ‘prestigious’ secondary schools (Harrison College, Queen’s College, Lodge, etc)?


  4. All I would say today in this article is that I would like to see Jeff Cumberbatch writing and advocating on core issues that affect the poorer class or the average citizen on a day to day basis.

    All these high falutin topic is all well and good for sterile,academic discussions and yes he touched on the issue of Integrity legislation – but not in a way that someone who only went to class 4 could easily grasp.But we need a voice who has influence and respect to get down and speak about these kinda issues – seems like LBGT and those sort of thing – are more concerning.

    What has got my boil is the unfair and wicked attempt by the Barbados Labour Party government to wrest from the hands of a cash poor but land rich family – their main asset – that is a small plantation at Six Mens.

    Why can’t this family have strong, non partisan legal voices like that of Jeff Cumberbatch and others – offering an opinion on this fight and their rights .

    Now we are hearing that 300 squatters are on the people brassbowl land – and worse yet not even former tenants of the plantation but non nationals who are taking over every parish in Barbados with their illegal practice of squatting which they have brought with them.

    To make matters worse – they are even running off barbadians who are trying to get in on the act as well.

    Rock Hall in St Phhillip

    Bath – in St John

    Six Mens – in St Lucy

    The Belle – In St Michael

    And God knows where else.

    THE BROOMES FAMILY TOOK THEIR HARD OWNED MONEY AND BROUGHT THAT PROPERTY AND NOW A BLACK BLP GOVERNMENT IS TRYING TO SNATCH IT OUT OF THEIR HANDS SO THAT PEOPLE LIKE COW WILLIAMS AND BJERKHAM AND GODDARDS COULD GET IT.

    Mrs Broomes is so correct : IF THEY WERE A WHITE FAMILY GOVERNMENT WOULD NOT TRY TO ALLOW SQUATTERS ON THEIR LAND – AND TRY TO TAKE AWAY THE ONE ASSET THE FAMILY OWNS.

    NOTE THE ARTICLE SAYS THAT WHEN THE DLP CAME IN THEY STOPPED THE COMPULSORY ACQUISITION STARTED BY A PREVIOUS GOVERNMENT.HOWEVER WHEN OWEN GOT IN – HE AGAIN STARTED THE BATTLE TO TAKE THEIR LAND FROM THEM.

    AND WUNNA REJOICING THAT MIA GOT IN

    The BLP cares nothing about black people – but wunna wouldn’t open wunna eyes and see what is big in front yuh – but yuh all bout de place wid Mia Tee shirts on yuh – and shouting Mia cares.

    Brassbowls all uh wunna.


  5. T. Inniss

    It will lead to violence. There is also a suspicion that civil servants are illegally altering the records of land ownership.


  6. @T./Inniss

    Why do you believe the world as you see it is the only way?

    The issues which resonate with you are the only issues?

    A society is the sum of of all whom exist in it.

    Respect everyone for their contributions.

    >


  7. I see what jeff means by decimal points I had to look twice to see if it was in the wrong place when the paper this morning had said a bajan student paid 300000 for 4 years at a canadian veterinary school. and had hired a lawyer to sue the canadian govt to be allowed to stay in canada, I was finding it tough coming up with the 30000 for my kids. Maybe you bajans are not as poor as you claim..


  8. @Peter

    We have discussed the education system in this forum ad nauseam. What is different about how the countries you listed compared to Barbados? It is stark which means you know.


  9. T. Inniss do not expect BU to publish or write stinging articles may one or two in the next five years
    All the talk about transparency on BU was a touch of smoke and mirrors which helped govt to win an election
    Last week blow up about Mia Father would be as close an article as u might read in the next five years to negative comment about this govt
    But as they say bajans have short memories
    Yesterday i posted a comment to effect that BU website might have been sold to a high ranking blp official
    The more of these wishy washy articles i read with an intent to point negative comments away from this govt the more i am beginning to belive that BU controlled mechansim is being rebuilt and reconstructed by blp political hands

  10. sirfuzzy (i was a sheep some years ago; not a sheep anymore) Avatar
    sirfuzzy (i was a sheep some years ago; not a sheep anymore)

    @PLT

    One of the issues that i have encountered with “retail/generic” education as opposed “customised” education is that for the most part “generic/retail” education is provided by the Govt. of the day; whilst “customised” education for the most part is delivered by the private sector. Maybe two different MOs are at work here.

    Often this public service(education) is not always about achieving national long term goals, but are often laced with achieving political party or personal egotistic goals to which the educational vehicle is attached.

    The delivery of Good and Effective Education will always be a difficult issue. Student/children from all backgrounds learn in different ways and different speeds. Students have different pet interests and develop different skills over the course of a few years. teachers and their likeability and professionalism will always be an issue. Why do a 30 students in a class almost all have 30 different opinions about the single teacher/tutor/lecturer/instruction style; effectiveness etc?

    Then we get to the idea of testing? Should it be a continuous method, a one time examination method. A hybrid method. In the end what every system(s) are chosen some students will fall into the cracks as theire particular way of learns and personal habits will affect these outcomes.

    As a society; what will also satisfy us that these student/learners have mastered the skill-set they have pursued? We too much decide what is a competent graduate of a programme of learning; whether it help with national development or not.

    just my take.


  11. @PLT,

    Plse tell us in a clear and detailed way what is good about the Singapore system, The Finnish system and what wrong with the 11+ in Barbados?
    I ask because as you know over the last two decades Britain had a problem with these issues, particularly in maths teaching, which it no appears to have resolved.


  12. T./Inniss
    Why do you believe the world as you see it is the only way?
    The issues which resonate with you are the only issues?
    A society is the sum of of all whom exist in it.
    Respect everyone for their contributions. (Quote)

    Does this include vulgar, foul-mouthed attacks and arguments about patriotism?


  13. “Yesterday i posted a comment to effect that BU website might have been sold to a high ranking blp official..”

    Hmmmm…….

    If we are to accept what you wrote to be true, then it is reasonable to suggest the “high ranking BLP official” must have purchased BU from a former “high ranking” DLP official.

    Because you seem to have FORGOTTEN prior to the May 24, 2018 general elections, given the frequency of your visits to BU……

    ……..and taking into consideration the several contributions you posted to this forum (sometimes out numbering other contributions, as confirmed by David BU)……

    ……..the LEVERAGE you were given…….. and how you were ACCOMMODATED by the same David BU you are now cussing…….to FREELY EXPRESS your anti-BLP…..pro-DLP political diatribe…..WITHOUT HINDRANCE…..

    ……..one could reasonably assume, during that time, “BU website might have been sold to a high ranking DLP official.”

    “But as they say bajans have short memories….”

  14. sirfuzzy (i was a sheep some years ago; not a sheep anymore) Avatar
    sirfuzzy (i was a sheep some years ago; not a sheep anymore)

    Do we ask the impossible of Govt as it applies to the delivery of education.

    I ask this question given the pace at which things in Bim evolves. cause sometimes we are truly experiencing evolution as opposed to development.

    I just read in the Sunday sun that a land dispute or maybe some other wording is more appropriate is raising its head in Bim at least to the point of making front page news. The part that caught my eye is that this land issue has been at the feet of the supreme Court for over 20 years. Thats 20 years rolling around in the heads of the legal actors. With both BLP and DLP politicians and policy setters and advisers and consultants playing footsie with person’s lives and livelihoods etc.

    Not lets zoom back into education. A young person that goes about seeking a job or profession or vocation usually goes about it thru some form of “retail/generic” education. How strange must it be that some of our leaders or politicians (cant mis use the word as not all politicians are leaders for good) can choose to remove them self from society by not getting involved when it comes to issues of land and persons livelihood. Why again did we elect persone to represent us in the HOA.

    I too will not be surprised if over the years these same politicians of the duopoly and supposedly leaders also divorced themselves from making changes to our educational systems as it would appears they did not want to get involved there either?

    As with this land dispute/case it has lead to misery for many as it sits in limbo; i too can see the direct correlation with our educational systems. Maybe just maybe we may get a better educational systems if we change how are future leaders are educated. So does my hope for the future become a “chicken-&-egg” scenario?

    Just my take.


  15. Hal

    I do not know how to respond to a contribution like that post by David.

    I don’t know – maybe I will have to reread my post a 3rd or 4th time or;

    Perhaps David feels he has to say something in defence of Jeff – but my post is not an attack but so no defence is needed.


  16. what they really need to do is to return Cawmere to an all male school

  17. sirfuzzy (i was a sheep some years ago; not a sheep anymore) Avatar
    sirfuzzy (i was a sheep some years ago; not a sheep anymore)

    @ James Greene January 13, 2019 9:49 AM

    what they really need to do is to return Cawmere to an all male school

    Let say u have your wish. What problem does that solve or correct in our current scenario with society blah blah etc.

    Just asking


  18. @sirFuzzy

    Good contributions as usual. It takes us to what is stark about the models of education elsewhere compared to Barbados. Despite the heavy investment in education have we created a ‘learning country ‘ in the way management people boast about organizations reaching that zone facilitated in a learning organization? The same observation can be made about the investment in health care yet we are addicted to a lifestyle that has seen the highest incidence of NCDs.

  19. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    Why can’t this family have strong, non partisan legal voices like that of Jeff Cumberbatch and others – offering an opinion on this fight and their rights .

    @ T. Inniss, I am freely available for consultancy on points of law. My column is in fulfillment of another contractual obligation.

  20. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    Finland, which outperforms Singapore, sends secondary students to the school which is closest to their home.

    @ Peter, Are you suggesting that we adopt this mode of reform?


  21. @Jeff

    You are trying to take bread from the mouth of Guyson Mayers?

  22. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar

    You are trying to take bread from the mouth of Guyson Mayers?

    @ David, not clear on what you mean here.


  23. @Jeff

    Being cheeky in response to a DLP supporter asking you to be more strident on other issues which triggered your ‘consultancy’ comment.

  24. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Dean Jeff, I’d like to connect on this part of your column: “There is, strangely enough, no similar press follow-up for the BSEE high achiever unless she or she goes on to be a success otherwise.” I would add that there is no followup for scholarship winners either… it’s just as strange – moreso actually – that there are not many stories five or ten years later featuring what these high achievers have gone on to establish.

    On the other hand of course some would completely agree with the lack of further fanfare as they perceive that to continually highlight only high academic achievement is belittling and discriminatory to others of outstanding achievement in real life areas well beyond success in test taking.

    But all that is the cream at the top and there is a vat of milk churning below: how do we identify skills and properly advance students via the best process for them to gain success for themselves and the nation?….If not an exam then what?

    If we move them on via address code then that will bottleneck quite soon here in Bim because surely the ‘best` schools will still be identified and students will be ‘living’ at their relatives in that capture zone come transfer time.

    Ok so then we need to make all schools be the best they can be with updated science and lab equipment, well equipped music studios, arts facilities etc and so on…but wasnt that always the intent…at least re our older secondary schools!

    But then even if you reach that stage you will still have the problem that not all students develop at the same rate per age or academically thus we still need to find a way to allow the intellectually gifted to progress sans the difficulties of their lesser peers…thus we will evolve to either ‘Gifted n Talented’ tracks using public funds, or private schools where the smart kids attend either from the support of wealthy or highly leveraged parents or even maybe from some form of bursary/scholarship.

    In sum we will move from this point around the mulberry bush and giddy with the twirling effort come back to about where we are but on a very different level…with basically the same segregation of students as now, same concerns that GnT school H or private school Q is better than local sector school St.Any or parish school P and why John got a bursary and Mary didn’t.

    What’s the resolution (in brief): an examination along with continuous evaluation over the student’s final year at primary level (as is done in part now at the secondary level). and the acceptance that we have to allow intellectually sharp kids to soar at their advanced pace.

    It must surely be clear that smart kids evolve into successful adults whether they are intellectually smart or smart with manual skills which they can translate to dexterity in any of the needed tradeskills which fuel our economy.

    That’s the bottomline…moving kids through the pain and vagaries of adolescence to the actulization/realization of their ability and self worth..it should NEVER be about a test taken at 11 years.

    Obviously easier said than achieved as over the years the professionals have struggled to adopt or adapt any new method that properly fits our needs.


  25. T.INNISS

    I think a lot of Barbadians understand what you are saying with respect to the poor Caribbean nationals who inner Barbados for no other reason than to seek a better existence.
    But what troubles me most about your statement is your characterization of these people whom are obviously in need of help.
    Because think about it and think about it fundamentally, why would anyone leave an existence which they are comfortable with, and move to one that they know little of unless they are looking to improve their standard of living?
    So words such as squatters, and non-nationals have no place in the Caribbean vernacular, especially when we are speak of Caribbean nationals much like ourselves.

  26. sirfuzzy (i was a sheep some years ago; not a sheep anymore) Avatar
    sirfuzzy (i was a sheep some years ago; not a sheep anymore)

    I want to ask this question.

    Let say we have two students pursuing a programme

    There are 10 sections in the programme with various exams and test. In the end there is one final exam. The student must pass all 11 exams/sections to be certified as a graduate.

    Students A gets 50.01% a passing grades in all 10 sections and just get a passing grade(50.1%) in the final exam.

    Student B gets 90% passing grade in all ten section and get a failing garde(49.7%) in the final exam.

    Student A is not a qualified and certified …….. Meanwhile Student B is a failure?

    Thoughts welcomed.

  27. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar

    how do we identify skills and properly advance students via the best process for them to gain success for themselves and the nation?….If not an exam then what?)

    And that, DPD, is the million dollar question today!

  28. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar

    Being cheeky in response to a DLP supporter asking you to be more strident on other issues which triggered your ‘consultancy’ comment.

    @David, It is perhaps a backhanded compliment that my criticism would be more cogent since I am regarded as non-partisan, while Guyson is, after all, Gen Sec. of the DLP


  29. what they really need to do is to return Cawmere to an all male school(Quote)

    You are nearer the mark in education policy than you may imagine. First, the post-war comprehensive school experiment has failed. Who do better out of comprehensive education, boys or girls?
    A few years ago I was invited to Barbados to give a speech to a Commonwealth Secretariat conference on women in finance and that formed part of my speech. Even in Saudi Arabia women are out-performing men; this is also the case in Europe and North America. The question is why?
    In both the US and UK, more women go onto post-graduate studies then men; an increasing number of women are going on to become medical consultants and QCs in law. Primary school teaching is now nearly all-female; so much so that any man who wants to b a primary school teacher is now looked at suspiciously. The same is gradually happening in Secondary education.
    In the UK we know that boys do better in exams while girls do better in course. Why? In the UK, at GCSE level, girls outperform boys in maths, why?
    There is a strong case for single sex schools and the issue should be fully debated.


  30. “public and private sector integrity; a Contractor-General;”

    wonder how many times this will have to be repeated over the next 50 years before someone with intelligence in the parliament listens…

    “The true problem with the BSEE is not the examination itself, rather it is what populism makes of it. The students who gain top placement in the BSEE are more lauded and feted initially and for a longer period by a fawning press than those who acquire terminal degrees in subjects of national development value”

    a national display of pure backwardness from the miseducated…

    Scandinavia has the best education system and will continue to…..kids do not even enter school until they are around 7 years old…there is no attempt to prepare young minds for a destructive rat race which as we can plainly see… even in the Caribbean …has run it’s ugly course.


  31. James Greene

    “What they really need to do is to return cammere to an all male school”

    The implication being that co-education hasn’t worked?
    Sir, it would be of great interest to ascertain your reasoning for returning to school to an all male school in the year 2019?
    And lastly, a comment such as your in the year 2019 better have within a reasonable justification…


  32. We always outperform men, we carry the world on our shoulders, make sure there is ALWAYS a living population and are FIT FOR PURPOSE..


  33. “The true problem with the BSEE is not the examination itself, rather it is what populism makes of it.” Sheer brilliance from the author. I have said this repeatedly on BU, not with such eloquence of course.
    On another note, I don’t know why Jeff casts his pearls before swines. A very good piece is to be hijacked by the Idiot Brigade (IB) talking about things they don’t understand and don’t seek to understand. Then again the journalists/reporters don’t do their research either. As a starting point, foreshore and beachfront/seashore ain’t the same thing and Six Men’s is listed under the First Schedule of the Tenantries Act. By the way, 2018-2008=10+11=21.

  34. sirfuzzy (i was a sheep some years ago; not a sheep anymore) Avatar
    sirfuzzy (i was a sheep some years ago; not a sheep anymore)

    @ Hal
    (quote)There is a strong case for single sex schools and the issue should be fully debated.(quote)

    In Bim to the best of my knowledge we have two unisex secondary school remaining. St Leonards Boys(SLBSS), Springer Memorial for girls(SMSS). The catchment areas and the societal make up of the students that attend may be similar; just from a glance of them when i travel the roads etc. However, I know nothing of the MOE’s placement protocols for these two school.

    Let us start there. we have two schools where we can collect intense data to see if SMSS and SLBSS are performing better or worse than the co-ed schools. I am sure they will be nuff debate regarding the creation and implementation of a performance matrix or matrices that will be used to evaluate these school if such a evaluation is done.

    We need to do something because whatever we are doing is not good enuff.

    Just My take


  35. Artexeres

    Your assumption to the David Thompson political era and BU input on political isdues is a bit askew as there were other social media websites which helped to define the uncharactetistic behaviour and arrogrance of the then blp government which was a caused for them losing in 2008
    Fastforward to 2009 the articles on BU were fast and furious towards govt of that time lead by Stuart even though govt had mutiple problems to resolved like the Alexander issue
    The Ebola crisis and the global financial meltdown which impacted our tourism industry
    Yet BU was relentless in positioning articles to depict govt as incompetent .ok.no problem
    Now fast forward to 2018 blp govt has made a multitude of errors but on BU it is almost like looking for a needle in a hay stack to find an article which defines or discuss govt policies and its negative impact on barbadian households

  36. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ Jeff

    Excellent and timely submission as usual. Unfortunately like you I have the same cognitive bias.
    Luckily for me I did not have the cursed interview because I did well in the English, Arithmetic and Intelligence tests.
    My difficulty with your professional colleague is the absence of scientific evidence that the Common Entrance Exam is failing to allocate efficiently pupils to the secondary level of education or the evidence that equality of education is not delivered at all secondary schools. The CEE was introduced since 1962. What has been the negative fallouts of this system of selection?


  37. WARU

    That is not to say that women are smarter than men because have yet to prove themselves in the natural sciences … to date only 51 women have won the Nobel Prize, and 20 of that 51 have been in the sciences …


  38. Every blog cannot be about Mia…Inniss..people need to use their brains and minds to research the avenues re why Barbados has FAILED..we know the corruption is a big part of it and so is Mia…but ya cannot have the same miseducated system and not discuss how to show the miseducated in parliament…that they need to change it so that young black minds can heal and move forward…instead of backward into the chaotic scams and schemes of the miseducated in parliament…


  39. ya still cannot outperform women or GIVE BIRTH…for that matter…still not fit enough for purpose, look at the state of the earth…

  40. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @SirFuz, you are playing with your test query surely. The Dean who deals with that stuff regularly can give you the real chapter and verse accurate response…but my Sunday dribble follows.

    1.Do the professor a gargantuan favor if they are so inclined to such bribery…because if a student is averaging an A (or B+ if strong class) and has a such a bad final then they had some form of greivous personal problem (or were cheating during the semester…thus the favour)….if it was a valid problem then surely they have recourse to submit documentation proving same and seeking a makeup or redo of the final the following year. If that fails then they may have to redo the course fully.

    2.Sans certification the student is then unable to hang his/her ‘shingle’ as an operator but other viable options are still open to them.

    Anyhow…your scenario happens often in life and it is resolved surely… Moreso tho there are a lot of barely passed professionals out there practicing as well…some are just bad test takers and actually know their matetial and profession well and some are just not as knowledgeable as they should be and fudge around their clients…such is life!


  41. “Finland, which outperforms Singapore, sends secondary students to the school which is closest to their home.”

    Debates on this topic often brings to the fore class biases and snobbery.

    The arguments I heard used by those who oppose this view is that Harrison’s College, for example, would have to “open its doors” to children living in the surrounding environs of Roebuck Street, Country Road, Greenfields and other areas in the city………

    ……….that are “frowned upon” by the high and mighty and to the disgust of former HC students.

    Students living in Belmont Road, Hall’s Road, Martindale’s Road, Carrington Village, Nelson Street, Bay Street, Bay Land and Beckles Road would have to attend The St. Michael’s School.

    Students living in Cave Hill, Haynesville, Wansted, Oxnard’s and the surrounding areas would have to be among those accommodated by Queen’s College.

    But on the other hand, they contradict themselves by agreeing that students living in the districts surrounding the Garrison such as certain areas in the Bay Land, Paddock Road, Dalkeith, Beckles Road, Deighton, Britton’s Hill, Upper Bay Street, for example, should attend Graydon Sealy Secondary School………

    ……….. and students living in the Pine, Wildey, Collymore Rock and Valerie should attend Parkinson Secondary School.

    It seems as though people would not have any problem if students living the areas mentioned “passed” for the schools mentioned, as opposed to them being allocated there……simply because it is unlikely that all student living in Greenfields, for example, will “pass” for HC.

    Our hypocrisy comes to the fore when the student they frown upon because he/she does not live in the “heights and terraces,” but goes to Combermere…….is successful and “becomes somebody in life”……his/her origins are no longer seen as important…..and they feel proud declaring: “He attended Combermere with my son.”

    And the “big boys” send their children to St. Winifred’s, The Convent and Codrington High.

  42. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ Sirfuzzy

    I believe that Major Barker and some others had done a research paper on the issues of Single Sex Schools. The findings as I understood them seem to indicate that the performance of boys in the single sex schools was higher. Major Barker was a former Headmaster at the Foundation Schools.

  43. sirfuzzy (i was a sheep some years ago; not a sheep anymore) Avatar
    sirfuzzy (i was a sheep some years ago; not a sheep anymore)

    This seems to be boiling down to “Sex Education; Gender Education; Maybe some MisEducation;.

    I wonder if it would be be possible for BU to sponsor a young person in an upcoming pageant

    BU can sponsor a Young Lady or Man as “Miss MisEducation” or Better yet ” Mister MisEducation”

    There seems to be alot of that thing going about

    just asking


  44. “Your assumption to the David Thompson political era and BU input on political isdues is a bit askew as there were other social media websites which helped to define the uncharactetistic behaviour and arrogrance of the then blp government which was a caused for them losing in 2008…”

    Ms Mariposa

    I’m confused.

    Could you INDICATE to me WHERE in my contribution I MADE an “assumption to the David Thompson political era?”

    Since I did not, how can anything I wrote be interpreted as “a bit askew?”

    You have this uncanny tendency of NOT responding to what was actually written.


  45. While they all conveniently and stupidly forget that Combermere as well as Harrison were 2 despicable, repulsive and DEPRAVED SLAVE OWNERS……but that is black people for ya…PROUD TO BE IDIOTS……because they never learn..

    ……neither Combermere nor Harrison schools should still have those blighted names…but that is dumb, backward, miseducated black leaders for ya..


  46. Is there such a thing as a cognitive gene?

    To date 902 individuals have won the Nobel Prize and of those 902 winners, 203 were Jews even though Jews make up 2% of the world population…


  47. Definitely NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE.


  48. Artax
    The mix is healthy for our society now and in the future. I don’t like the homogenisation of our classes based on location, which unfortunately in some instances will also be along socio-economic status. I note that we are trumpeting Singapore and Finland, but ignore “zoning” in America and the UK and its impacts. I agree 200% with Jeff.


  49. WARU

    What you talking girl …? Have ever lived amongst someone who have attended Harrison College, Queen’s College, Lodge, St. Michael or Combermere? Those people are treated like Royalty in Barbados … even though they attended a High School/ Secondary School….we have been brainwashed for far too long sista…

  50. sirfuzzy (i was a sheep some years ago; not a sheep anymore) Avatar
    sirfuzzy (i was a sheep some years ago; not a sheep anymore)

    (quote)Our hypocrisy comes to the fore when the student they frown upon because he/she does not live in the “heights and terraces,” but goes to Combermere…….is successful and “becomes somebody in life”……his/her origins are no longer seen as important…..and they feel proud declaring: “He attended Combermere with my son.”

    And the “big boys” send their children to St. Winifred’s, The Convent and Codrington High. (quote)

    Is this a bajan version or varient of “class-ism”? and this “Class”ism has nothing to do with the school you should have attended but the school u eventually graduated from?

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