Submitted by caribbeansignal.com
21-year-old Tavon Kaiseen Alleyne is the island’s latest murder victim to date. Alleyne, a cousin of Rihanna’s, was shot and killed on Boxing Day.
Based on my count, the total number of murders for 2017 is at least 31 persons. The emphasis on my count is important because figures on the Nation and Barbados Today websites (which are my data sources), do not appear to add up. For example, an article on nationnews.com (the website for the Nation’s print newspaper) dated December 28 lists Alleyne’s death as the 30th murder for the year. While on Barbados Today, an article dated December 27 stated that the murder count for the year was 28.
Below is a table that I put together a few months ago tracking murders in Barbados. The table includes victim names, ages, gender, dates, et cetera. My data sources have always been The Nation and Barbados Today (two local newspapers). Interested readers need only Google the victim’s name to find out the details as reported by the press. For example, the Google query: “Marvin Victor + Barbados” (without the quotation marks) will return several results relating to the victim.
The following charts are based on my table above:
Figures for the Murders by Month chart does not add up to 31 because it wasn’t clear at the time – to me – what month the victim (Steven Weare) passed away.
Follow the rest of the analysis on the caribbeansignal.com website.
VoB is reporting that Barbados has had its first murder for the year on the first day of the year.
I wonder how many murder victims the ruling elite on this island will produce in 2018. 40, 50 or 60? And what about another Crop Over massacre? How many soldiers will the Shadow King of St. Michael North West send out for execution?
Without any doubt one needs a security vest, a SUV with RFT and barbed wire around the mansion on this island – like Jamaica, St. Vincent and Guyana, to name the three worst caves in the Caribbean.
Good progress was made after the Kadooment Day incident. However government nor civic minded Bajans should rest their laurels to catch these criminals before they act.
And what about Tyrone McDonald Babb? Isn´t he related to the new DPP? Even the DPP´s relatives are affected.
Barbados murder rates:
2000 = 20;
2001 = 26;
2002 = 25;
2003 = 33;
2004 = 22;
2005 = 29;
2006 = 35;
2007 = 28;
2008 = 25;
2009 = 19;
2010 = 32;
2011 = 30;
2012 = 22;
2013 = 25;
2014 = 21;
2015 = 31;
2016 = 22;
2017 = 30
@Tron January 1, 2018 at 6:08 PM a “SUV with RFT”
What’s a SUV with RFT?
A car where you can shoot into the tires and it still runs. What you need to escape the gangs in Black Rock or after a bank robbery.
Thank you Kevin! So we should aim for 2009.
I just got a bit nervous after all the shooting during the night and the lads in black costumes walking around houses, looking for some unsecured window to climb in.
Romario, Michael, Andrew, James, Richard, Jibri, Anson, Sherwin, Marvin, Ajay, Omar, Craig, Stephen, Nathan, Jerome, Vincent, Bhim, Kenrick, Closton, Tareid, Orwin, Shawn, Renaldo, Rico, Steven, Jeffrey, Andrew, Tyrone, Tavon.
Shockaya, Colleen.
Has everyone noticed that all but two of these deaths are of men, mostly young men. Almost certainly all or most of the accused are also men, mostly young men. Barbados is a dangerous place principally for young men BECAUSE of young men.
The inconvenient truth is that men, especially young men don’t value life. Perhaps it is because that helping to create a life costs men so little that they put little value on life.
I wonder if men would value life more if instead of the pleasure of male orgasm they felt as well the intense pain of labour?
And the world is a very dangerous place principally because of men, and this includes the men in Beijing, Moscow, Pyongyang, Washington, etc.
@Tron January 1, 2018 at 9:16 PM “A car where you can shoot into the tires and it still runs.”
What if like me you don’t have a car at all? What if you walk and take the bus?
What if men were not so stupid?
Looking at the numbers without applying analysis is simplistic Kevin. For example, how many of the murders were caused by guns.
David
What does it matter, at a basis level, what the instrument of murder was/is.
Based of the numbers given, it seems that the current rate is around the mean
But from all the perceptions given in media we are surprised that we don’t have much higher numbers for recent years.
@Pacha
You don’t think we should be concerned if analysis were to show murders as a result of guns trending upwards if the total murder number is tracking the mean number?
David
Of course, but that statistic is of second order importance.
Yet it will give a better understanding as to causation
But based on how ‘crime and violence’ or more precisely ‘gun violence’ has been cover here, on BU, and elsewhere, left us surprised that an average number were killed over time, especially over the last few years.
Maybe political propaganda could explain such
@Pacha
Agree with your view but the tracking of the mean must be considered against the fact there is an increasing lawlessness therefore the tipping point factor is in play. Surely you appreciate the advantages to be gained by being proactive?
Maybe davids right see if welfare payments dates align with dates of trouble, when people get checks they maybe party or are set upon.See if any of those people killed were on assisstance.
As I said in a recent post, we need to better
analyse statistics. There is tremendous
nonsense being put in the public domain.
There needs to be a deeper analysis of
WHY the crimes were committed.
Were they:
Crimes of passion
Robberies
Illegal deals gone wrong etc
@William
There is analysis but it is not made public. This is important to inform public discussion, remove the fog, the obfuscation peddled by politicians mainly.
Skinner
You about better analysis of info but no amount of that will help if the underlying conditions remain the same
A HEALTHY 2018 TO ONE & ALL IN THE BU FORUM with special acknowledgement to my friend David whose unswerving commitment to social justice knows no bounds…
MAY GOD TRULY SAVE THE QUEEN & THE DIABOLICUS OF COLONIAL BARBARITY INFLICTED UPON THE SOULS OF OUR ANCESTORS WHICH HAS NOW PERPETUATED INTO A SPIRAL OF BLACK SELF-HATE & AS DR JOY DEGRUY CALLS: a form of Post Traumatic Slavery Disorder (PTSD) which seeks to remove the ancient pillar of the sons of Adam who are the ones meant to stand in the very “IMAGE” of Almighty God…
In a book by one Steve Wells entitled the “THE SKEPTIC’S ANNOTATED bible” – he painstakingly cites the volume (number) of people God kills in the Holy Book we call THE BIBLE…
What is patently startling is the #FakeTheology ascribed to the CREATOR GOD – for Wells suggest ELOHIM* is somehow “DRUNK WITH BLOOD-LUST” quoting passage after verse of Scripture in support his vainglorious thesis on a CREATOR who seems to pride Himself of the destruction of humankind…
For the NON-spiritual “EYE” that does not discern TRUTH from ERROR, one would assume that this GUY has his eisegesis & exegesis like a row of ducks wonderfully lined off…
Like the author of these heart-breaking STATS in BIM – Wells’ heteroskedasticity & homoscedasticity reads like an exercise in empirical econometrics, as if mathematical computational science is an exact disciple and that somehow we have the patent on “ABSOLUTE TRUTH”… (SMDH)
What is even more striking is his revelation that God has somehow killed a total of some 2,821,364 persons in the entire Good Book – but get this: SATAN (THE ACCURSED REBEL &THE REAL BASTERD) in this whole sordid human affair has only taken out the mere 10 children of the Patriarch Job (#ROFLMBO – numbers he shares with God as He is the One who granted permission in the first place)…
Yet, intelligent, supposedly learned men accept this drivel as eye-opening scholarship!!!
So after a long protracted slog of “data gathering” based on the analysis of statistical, mathematical modelling, in the hope of forming an econometric hypothesis, Bro. Wells concludes that between God & Satan: (Elohim killed some 25 million while Satan only took out 60)…
What could not be hypothesized was the numbers before the Flood (if one is to accept the Biblical Worldview) which some theological scholars suggest that population numbers before the Flood were somewhat typical of the world today, hence the words of Jesus: “As it was in the days of NOAH”…
God keeps getting the “RAP” for the EVIL in this dark world however, this is what the “GOOD BOOK” says about the wanton bloodshed upon the land portending a typology of the primordial “CURSE OF CAIN” – a lineage of EVIL that has run counter to GOD’S Goodness right down throughout the annals of human history to our present day…
The BIBLE states: ‘I will also turn My face from them, and they will profane My secret place; then robbers will enter and profane it. Make the chain, for the land, is full of bloody crimes and the city is full of violence. ‘Therefore, I will bring the worst of the nations, and they will possess their houses. I will also make the pride of the strong ones cease, and their holy places will be profaned.…(Ez 7:22-24)
In Isaiah 59:3: “For your hands are defiled with blood And your fingers with iniquity; Your lips have spoken falsehood, Your tongue mutters wickedness…”
Jeremiah 6:7: “As a well keeps its waters fresh, so she keeps fresh her wickedness. Violence and destruction are heard in her; Sickness and wounds are ever before Me…”
Ezekiel 8:17: He said to me, “Do you see this, son of man? Is it too light a thing for the house of Judah to commit the abominations which they have committed here, that they have filled the land with violence and provoked Me repeatedly? For behold, they are putting the twig to their nose…”
Ezekiel 9:9: Then He said to me, “The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is very, very great, and the land is filled with blood and the city is full of perversion; for they say, ‘The LORD has forsaken the land, and the LORD does not see!’
Ezekiel 11:6: “You have multiplied your slain in this city, filling its streets with them…”
Ezekiel 18:12: “They oppresses the poor and needy, commits robbery, does not restore a pledge, but lifts up his eyes to the idols and commits abomination…”
Ezekiel 45:9: ‘Thus says the Lord GOD, “Enough, you princes of Israel; put away violence and destruction, and practice justice and righteousness. Stop your expropriations from My people,” declares the Lord GOD…
Hosea 4:2: “There is swearing, deception, murder, stealing and adultery. They employ violence, so that bloodshed follows bloodshed…”
Regardless of what men may say, the “CHARACTER” of GOD will be vindicated and all of creation will see for themselves the subterfuge of SATAN and all those who’ve deceptively & willfully followed him…
Maybe Messrs Wells et al can also level further diabolical aspersions at THE CREATOR GOD by accusing Him for all the wars ever fought & all the blood spilled upon the canvas of human creation – including ABORTIONS, INFANTICIDE, HUMAN SACRIFICES, TRADE in the souls of men & every other known despicable evil perpetrated on human kind since time immemorial…
Just maybe, 2018 won’t be a Happy New Year after all given the level of predictably ominous scenarios elucidated by the modern-day pundits who foresee that WORLD WAR 3 is an inevitability given the fractious nature of human relations & the invisibly dark forces at world from within the Synagogue of Satan…
In a perfect world there would be no murders but let us be real.
The yearly murder rate in Barbados is about 30 and hs not increased in the last 10 years.
The REAL PROBLEMS are.
Too many illegal Guns smuggled into Barbados.
Too many Drugs smuggled into Barbados.
Too many unemployed young people living in poverty.
THE LENGTHY DIABOLICAL DIATRIBE STATED AT dreamstarworld January 2, 2018 at 10:04 AM # IS CONTRADICTED BY ONE SOLID SOLITARY SCRIPTURE FOUND AT JOHN 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
U.S. Police Killed Over 1,000 Civilians in 2017 – While the News Was Watching Trump…
Sixty-eight of those killed by police this year were unarmed…
https://www.alternet.org/human-rights/police-violence-2017
The Caribbean is one of the more violent regions in the world!
If New York (with many more guns per person) had the same murder rate as Barbados, then New York would have nearly 1000 murders last year instead of the 286 murders it recorded. Trinidad with a population of 1.4 million had almost as many murders (490) as New York (pop: 8.5 million) and Los Angeles (pop: 3.8 million) combined (551). A single parish in Jamaica with a population of 180 000 had more murders last year than New York. In fact, in 2017, there were almost as many murders in Jamaica as in New York, Chicago and Los Angeles combined. St Lucia with a population of 179 000 had 57 murders in 2017.
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/news/20180101/st-james-exceeds-new-york-citys-murder-tally-2017
Ping Pong January 2, 2018 at 1:12 PM #
At the height of the violence in Jamaica, there were more deaths per 100000 than the Vietnam war.
Is it too early to adopt this song?
Dem a loot, dem a shoot, dem a wail…
Cause them out of jail….
In the UK……
” Six men and boys have been arrested over murders that took four young lives as the UK celebrated New Year’s Eve, pushing the number of people stabbed to death in London to 80 in 2017.”
illegal Guns
illegal Drugs
Too many unemployed young people living in poverty.
If we go with Pacha’s view of the murder situation, we are tracking the mean/median number so why bother. This is a dangerous position to hold in our view and ignores other variables at play.
THE EPIDEMIC OF SUICIDE:
All the best to you and family TB.
20 THINGS THAT COULD ERUPT IN 2018…
https://www.naturalnews.com/2017-12-31-happy-new-year-america-you-really-ready-for-2018.html
THANK YOU @DAVID & BLESSINGS TO YOU & ALL YOURS!!!
WHY ARE THE 25 MOST COMMON COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD FOR MURDER ARE BLACK, CARIBBEAN OR IDEOLOGICALLY ETHNIC???
The video list 21:Dominica 19:St.Lucia 18:DR 15: St.Vincent 13: Trinidad 12: Bahamas 9: St.Kitts 6: Jamaica and 3: Belize murders per thousand.
As you can see too many in our region (not including South American) countries. Given the spread of drugs made easier by CSME there is a new dynamic here.
@ David
Please tell us what you mean by “the spread of drugs made easier by CSME “.
Drugs and drug related crimes have been on the increase since the early 70s.
William, the movement of people is easier under the CSME arrangement, networks are being forged etc.
@ William Skinner January 2, 2018 at 3:21 PM #
“Please tell us what you mean by “the spread of drugs made easier by CSME “.
Drugs and drug related crimes have been on the increase since the early 70s.”
Then we ought to copy the State of California and take both the mystique and profit incentives out of the ‘illegal’ drug business by turning it into any other ‘regulated’ business.
Then most of those murders would be transmuted as possible fatal overdoses like alcoholics.
The war on marijuana has been lost. It’s time for peace talks and armistice.
But we doubt very much the players (including the drug enforcement agencies created since the 1970’s) in this big money spinning business would want to concede with too many jobs and bribe money at stake.
“SATAN IS A PLANT”!
@millertheanunnaki,
It is we Bajans who have created the perfect conditions for the growth of the drugs industry and by extension the high levels of crime that has mirrored its rise.
However, i empathise with the views of Walter with regard to the freedom of movement from within the CMSE. I know that it is not politically correct to accuse our fellow Caribbean brothers and sisters of bringing disorder to our island home …… however?
Miller, we Bajans are the equivalent of the lowly wilderbeast; in stark contrast to those ruthless lion-like Jamaicans who are conditioned to survive in a harsh urban landscape. Where the law of the land is to kill or be killed! Ditto Guyana, Trinidad, Antigua, St Vincent, et al.
Most of the beastly atrocities committed by those of Caribbean descent in the UK have Jamaican blood in them. Yes, i know that they are here in greater numbers, but from my experience, i can testify to you that these people have amongst their ranks some violent, hardcore individuals. Their culture has a naked brutality that does not allow them to compromise. As can be seen in an astonishing story that has just been released in the UK media.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5253033/serial-killer-theodore-johnson-jailed-life/
With respect to our fellow CMSE brothers and sisters they have little time to respect our small island ways. They will do what is required to move ahead.
The Caribbean region’s leaders have, wholeheartedly, embraced the drug’s trade. The region is a transit route or should i say a hub for the drug lords and is carried out under the umbrella of our tourist industry. Tell me something – Miller – do you think that it is only rum and potable water that are on board those gigantic cruise ships? And what of those fancy hotels and big-up houses dotted throughout the island? They are warehouses for the storage of drugs.
As we have aligned our economy towards the tourist industry at the expense of all other industries then you will see the local regional population feeding on the scraps of the drug’s trade whilst supplying the domestic, lower-end drugs market.
The turf fight is in its infancy. We are going to have to get used to the destruction that it will leave in its path.
Toronto police offer $50k reward for information in 20-year-old murder case
Gracelyn Greenidge, 41, was found dead in her apartment at 50 Driftwood Avenue on July 29, 1997 by a co-worker who had become concerned when she did not show up for work at the Christie Street senior’s residence, where she was a nursing assistant.
Greenidge had moved to Toronto from Barbados with hopes of becoming a registered nurse.
https://globalnews.ca/news/3941273/toronto-police-reward-cold-case-murder/
David
Your soundbite mischaracterizes our argument.
We suggested that if more information about murder was available that it would be unlikely that any government of Barbados would take the fundamental actions needed like happens in the Nordic countries, for example.
To further explain. The lack of resources has been cited as a primary causal reason for serious crimes. No government of Barbados will ever be willing to deal structurally with that.
Do you know how many studies successive governments have had done, the rest of society too, and nobody ever took them seriously. Government might not even have a way to tract these. There may not even be an institutional memory that they existed. A lot of them may be as pretty as shiiiite but just as anachronistic as well. But brilliant studies nonetheless.
pacha
are you saying that all the pretty studies done on sundry topics are just as useful as the daily drivel deposited here on BU?
David January 2, 2018 at 1:38 AM #
Looking at the numbers without applying analysis is simplistic Kevin. For example, how many of the murders were caused by guns.
@ David, yes, murders by the gun have increased substantially over the years, no doubt. However murder is murder. Those numbers represents the hard cold data, from high’s of 35 to low’s of 19 over the past 17 years. There has been a dramatic increase in the brazeness of criminals and fearfulness of the public due to the gun-play. However, one can easily decipher that there has been no dramatic increase in the murder rate, it has held steady. We should all hope that the numbers go on a downward trend in 2018 and beyond. If you want an analysis on how people were murdered, please go and do the research or maybe the LW can do the research themselves. I am a working, studying and have family and friends. I’m too busy.
Backward system ,corrupt leaders, dysfunctional homes, lost youth.
Happy New Year David and Bloggers (Fair and Bias).
David it is my duty as a citizen to post a roll of sewage that took place on the highway by Banks/Coke junction. A white car pull out from Bannatyne junction going east and driving at a brisk speed when all of a sudden this Land Rover Jeep (P3059) rush up behind this car and pull on the carriage way and pass the car at high speed. I don’t know how the car driver was able to keep the car from hitting me and other cars travelling westward and yet, being able to control the car from hitting the stupid driver who past on the left side. That was pure ROAD RAGE for no apparent reason.
Having statistics on motives for murder is important .The government can then fashioned solutions around this data. Eg, if a significant number of murders are committed due to domestic violence, then a targeted programme involving counselling, stress mgmt, conflict resolution and mental heath would be essential.
Economic growth and development comes with violent crime. Especially, if such growth is unequal and non-inclusive. Caribbean nations are some of the most economically unequal in the world.The only other country that comes to mind outside the broader caribbean and latin america region that mirrors this link of high crime rate and development is South Africa.
South Africa is the most industrialised country on the continent and very unequal. It comes as no surprise therefore, that it has the highest murder rate in Africa. Not even Nigeria, with all its problems, murdered as much of its citizens as South Africa.
fortyacresandamule January 3, 2018 at 11:36 AM #
Our politicians, media, academics and blogs never talk about wealth redistribution. In fact I once mentioned this to one politician and he laughed. “No man, we don’t need that,” he said.
Sinckler has passed more wealth from the poor to the rich than Trump and not a word has been said. I have said before, and I say again, this is Plato’s allegory of the cave all over again. A people not informed, but not knowing they are not informed.
Having statistics on motives for murder is important .
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One statistic says it all!!
More than half of those murdered were under 35 and male …. actually that is two!!
Chopped, shot or stabbed!!!
That’s three more statistics.
So, most of those murdered were young males who were either chopped, shot or stabbed.
Motive behind the murder ….. let’s see if we can guess … all jilted lovers!!!
@Hal. Yep, sadly indeed . It is not polite conversation to advocate for wealth redistribution. You are automatically labeled a commie. Yet they have no qualms or see nothing wrong with a tiny few having wealth equivalent to the bottom 60%. This is the absurd economic system we live in today.
@fortyacresandamule
Championing distribution of wealth is a noble undertaking but understand that our so-called system of government sees the owners of capital underwriting the activities of the political class to secure what again? Unfortunately we have to attack the root of the issue to address the concern about wealth distribution. Egalitarian society we are not!
@John. The motives could be: Robbery, reprisal/revenge, gang turf war, domestic/ marital, other domestic, illegal dealings gone wrong, etc.
@John. The motives could be: Robbery, reprisal/revenge, gang turf war, domestic/ marital, other domestic, illegal dealings gone wrong, etc.
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Drugs perhaps
Championing distribution of wealth is a noble undertaking but understand that our so-called system of government sees the owners of capital underwriting the activities of the political class to secure what again? Unfortunately we have to attack the root of the issue to address the concern about wealth distribution. Egalitarian society we are not!
Wealth re-distribution is at the very heart of contemporary capitalism. There is no conflict. It is about good government, not juvenile party politics.
John January 3, 2018 at 2:54 PM #
Murder is the most studied criminal offence, most of it is not intended. Remember that Barbadian culture is very aggressive (just read some of the posts in this blog) which can often drift in to violence.
One thing I am yet to get understood.
How can you take “wealth” as in riches from the poor who supposedly have none and redistribute it to the rich who apparently have plenty?
Until I am shown different I dismiss this position as flawed.
In a capitalist system, you get to keep what you build for yourself.
By all means, you contribute to your society to ensure its continued viability but a complete redistribution of “wealth” as in riches seems to me to be the surest way to destruction of a society.
What would be the point of having a capitalist system?!!
A government involved in taking from the rich to give to the poor is a government we have seen fail again and again.
Why would we want to repeat history and go down that road?
“Thou shalt not covet” …. everything belonging to your neighbor, from wife to jackass!!
Envy only makes the envier miserable … and poor!!
“@ John January 3, 2018 at 5:56 PM
So how do you explain the role of Quakers (and Jews) in the whole slavery and plantation system which made a few men rich off free labour?
BTW, can you tell us why Israel is deporting over 40,000 black Africans from the Promised Land your God Yahweh bequeathed to them?
“@ John January 3, 2018 at 5:56 PM
So how do you explain the role of Quakers (and Jews) in the whole slavery and plantation system which made a few men rich off free labour?
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How do you explain Mansa Musa, the single richest man in the world who got there by among other activities selling his own people into slavery?
One single man!!!
If you look at the system Mansa Musa left in Mali and its ability to feed clothe and house his people you will realise that the alternative on the other side of the Atlantic is vastly better.
@ra1 January 3, 2018 at 1:27 AM “Backward system ,corrupt leaders, dysfunctional homes, lost youth.”
How is it that women also live in the “backward system with corrupt leaders, and dysfunctional homes”
And yet they rarely commit murder?
Tell me Why January 3, 2018 at 10:09 AM “A white car pull out from Bannatyne junction going east and driving at a brisk speed when all of a sudden this Land Rover Jeep (P3059) rush up behind this car and pull on the carriage way and pass the car at high speed. I don’t know how the car driver was able to keep the car from hitting me and other cars travelling westward and yet, being able to control the car from hitting the stupid driver who past on the left side. That was pure ROAD RAGE for no apparent reason.”
Was the driver of the white car a young man?
I told ya so.
@John January 3, 2018 at 12:18 PM “Motive behind the murder ….. let’s see if we can guess … all jilted lovers!!!”
I don’t think so.
i am sure that hundreds or thousands of Bajan women were jilted in 2017, and yet they murdered no one.
Why is this?
@Hal Austin January 3, 2018 at 3:33 PM “Remember that Barbadian culture is very aggressive (just read some of the posts in this blog) which can often drift in to violence.”
Is it Barbadian male culture which is very aggressive?
Or Barbadian female culture whic is very aggressive?
And are Bajan male and female cultures one and the same?
And if Bajan male and female cultures are not one and the same, why is this so?
Since no Bajan women committed murder in 2017, is it possible that Bajan women have something to teach Bajan young men? And is anybody willing to listen?
Or is the testosterone of the young murderers and of their victims, and the testosterone of the policy makers getting in the way?
What if young Bajan men listened to Bajan women and at the end of 2018 we could say that no Bajan man committed murder?
Is it possible?
… on the other hand ….
The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world!!
http://www.potw.org/archive/potw391.html
Many of our families are single parent families.
Maybe the problem is there, with our women!!
… or is it our men who don’t stand by those women!!
Both I think are at fault!!
Dr. Simple “Riff-Raff” Simon fake Phd.and all January 3, 2018 at 11:27 PM #
It is gender-neutral, but expressed differently. Men externalise their aggression, while women internal theirs in general, with an exaggerated focus on their partners. They over invest in their men and when relationships do not work out they set out to destroy the men, while the men set out to destroy their perceived enemies..
John January 3, 2018 at 11:51 PM “Many of our families are single parent families.”
A Simple Response: Since you are a man i’ll ask you why do men abandon their sons?
John January 3, 2018 at 11:51 PM “Maybe the problem is there, with our women!!”
A Simple Response: How can the fault be with women who did NOT commit any murders in 2017?
I am convinced that male aggression is intrinsic. ThatiIt is an evolutionary response, which may have been useful once upon a time, a long long ago, but that this aggression has no place in our crowded villages, suburbs and cities.
And that we need to teach our sons not to take offense so easily, not to respond to minor provocations, in other words we have to teach our sons to be more like women, because this will save their lives.
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2018/01/03/joshua-boyle-makes-court-appearance-via-video-link-remanded-in-custody-until-monday.html
Joshua Boyle makes court appearance via video link, remanded in custody until Monday. Boyle is accused of a slew of crimes that are alleged to have occurred since his high-profile rescue from captivity in October.
I am reviewing some international media and this morning as usual there are lots on incidences of male violence. In this case this man [and his wife and 3 children] were held hostage for many years. The wife delivered 3 children without a birth attendant, endured a forced abortion. In other words she was made to suffer as much or more so that her husband, yet today it is the MALE who is charged with multiple acts of violence.
Why?
@Hal Austin January 4, 2018 at 5:12 AM “It is gender-neutral, but expressed differently. Men externalise their aggression, while women internal theirs in general.”
So how do you account for the fact that the majority of the people in our mental hospital are male?
Dr. Simple “Riff-Raff” Simon fake Phd.and all January 4, 2018 at 7:52 AM #
See above. Most people in mental institutions are there for violence-related offences or acts; a sizeable number are there for schizophrenic behaviour, including drug abuse; in short, they have externalised their mental breakdown.
Same problem, different expressions.
@Hal Austin January 4, 2018 at 5:12 AM “It is gender-neutral, but expressed differently. Men externalise their aggression, while women internal theirs in general, with an exaggerated focus on their partners. They over invest in their men and when relationships do not work out they set out to destroy the men, while the men set out to destroy their perceived enemies.”
I think that you may be quite wrong about how seriously women take the breakdown of personal relationships. When a relationship breaks down, since in most case the man has no interest or capacity for child raising, especially the raising of very young, heavily dependent children the woman has to lawyer-up to ensure that the man is compelled to continue to provide some of his income for the housing, feeding, clothing, educating, medical care and recreational needs of his children. In most cases I think that the woman doesn’t much care if the man comes or goes, but she is very much interested in ensuring that their children don’t become destitute. Women don’t typically end up in the “mental” because a man leaves because their mothers and grandmother have taught them that “that a man is like a bus, one goes, one comes”
Our first death for the year was a man who was found dead on the premises of a supermarket. According to neighbours he “lost it” several years ago when a relationship broke down.
Does skin colour enter the equation?
It usually does in all our discussions so does it do so here?
If there is a discernible difference based on skin colour then all the generalisations about men and women are meaningless …. and there is a discernible problem, with a possible solution!!
Silence!!!!!
There is an elephant in the room.
I think there is a difference and it is all to do with family life and upbringing.
Generalisations on men and women don’t stand.
@John January 4, 2018 at 9:38 AM “Does skin colour enter the equation?”…Silence!!!!! There is an elephant in the room.”
According to the 2010 census Barbados has 116,139 black men aged between 20 and 59
Barbados has 3,144 white men aged between 20 and 59
Barbados has 107 Indian men aged between 20 and 59
So expect black men to murder at 36 times the rate of white men, and 108 times the rate of Indian men, not because black men are more murderous but because there are so many more of them. Did not have a white guy not many years ago take the life of his own son? The little boy is still dead isn’t he?
http://www.barstats.gov.bb/files/documents/PHC_2010_Census_Volume_1.pdf
I remember once being in Montserrat, after the volcano and a Montserratian pointed out to me that Montserat statistically the most murderous place in the world because once in 15 years a young man lost his head and killed his girlfriend. One killing in 15 years in a population of 3,500 made it the most murderous spot on earth.
Lies, damned lies and statistics.
So expect black men to murder at 36 times the rate of white men, ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Yuh scrunting!!!!
It is all to do with family and upbringing.
…. not colour.
That is not to say that you won’t get a murderer from a “good” family with “good” upbringing …
…. but, most murders will be committed by individuals who were not blessed with a “good” upbringing … and that has nothing to do with money.
… and that is not to say that the bulk of the offspring of maladjusted families will also be maladjusted.
I think what has happened in this society is the percentage of persons who clung to core values is dropping and their offspring are being impacted.
Before that percentage was high, now it is low and falling.
Luckily the birth rate is falling too otherwise we would have real issues!!
If we were playing the blame game I would say many of the muderers were created by women with men’s active help.
In a society with high core values, the delinquent quickly gets his/her come uppance.
So, to what kind of core values did former Bajans adhere.
Lets try a simple one which no one can dispute ….”Thou shalt not kill”.
There are 9 others that come to mind!!
Jesus Christ
John wrote something that makes sense….
@John January 4, 2018 at 5:13 PM “It is all to do with family and upbringing.”
Not only in Barbados John, but in all countries men murder at about 10 times the rate of women, are imprisoned at far greater rates than women, are institutionalised in mental hospitals at far greater rates than women
Why?
And why is it that even women who were raised in dysfunctional families rarely murder.
Why?
Bear in mind that I am not seeking to denigrate anybody, but virtually all of the violence in the world is fomented by men.
That is the truth.
We need police, armies, prisons, and mental hospitals primarily because of men.
And women are taxed at the same rate as men to deal with male violence. Why?
Dr. Simple “Riff-Raff” Simon fake Phd.and all January 4, 2018 at 7:36 PM #
@John January 4, 2018 at 5:13 PM “It is all to do with family and upbringing.”
Not only in Barbados John, but in all countries men murder at about 10 times the rate of women, are imprisoned at far greater rates than women, are institutionalised in mental hospitals at far greater rates than women
Why?
And why is it that even women who were raised in dysfunctional families rarely murder.
Why?
Bear in mind that I am not seeking to denigrate anybody, but virtually all of the violence in the world is fomented by men.
That is the truth.
We need police, armies, prisons, and mental hospitals primarily because of men.
And women are taxed at the same rate as men to deal with male violence. Why?
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EVE!!