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Submitted by Cedriann Martin, Regional Communications Officer, UNAIDS, Caribbean Regional Support Team

PORT OF SPAIN, 7 March 2012—In excess of 2400 men living in the Caribbean have participated in an on-going study about men who have sex with men (MSM). More than 100 of them are from Barbados.

Available on www.carimis.org, the Caribbean Men’s Internet Survey (CARIMIS) is the first attempt to gather information through the internet about the lives of MSM in the region, including those who do not self-identify as gay or bisexual. Through this anonymous exercise, respondents can safely share information about their sexual behaviour as well as insight into their relative degrees of access to HIV prevention, testing, treatment and care services.

Director of the Joint United Nations Programme on HIV/AIDS (UNAIDS) Caribbean Regional Support Team, Dr. Ernest Massiah, explained that the exercise would help countries in the region to respond more meaningfully to the healthcare and social needs of this heterogeneous group.

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  1. Random Thoughts Avatar
    Random Thoughts

    Dear Ras:

    You understand don’t you that men use the same organ for pissing and sexing

    Penises spend a lot of time in or near toilets too (or they should instead of doing their thing in Flower Alley on Lower Broad Street, Bridgetown, Barbados) ) so what are women to do? Forbid any penis that has ever been near a toilet (or Flower Alley) from coming near to them?

    JUST ASKING.

    I’ve always though that there must be a God and he must have a sense of humour. Why else put the sexing, pissing and shitting organs within 2 inches of each other.

    JUST ASKING.

  2. Random Thoughts Avatar
    Random Thoughts

    Quoting Elizabeth Pilgrim ” and dogs like lunch”

    What’s wrong with having doggies for lunch? or breakfast or dinner?

  3. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @Bush Tea | March 8, 2012 at 10:41 PM |
    “Also the most controversial ….and the one with the most irrational positions.”

    “Homosexuality is a spiritual disease whose root cause is well documented.”

    Those two statements seem at odds with each other.
    Could you, -in the interest of rational discussion- identify one “documented” source to support your argument that homosexuality is a “spiritual disease”?
    This request is made in light of PRETTY BLUE EYES March 8, 2012 at 9:31 PM argument that “animals don’t have souls” thereby suggesting that homosexuality among presumed lower (soulless) animals is NOT a sin but an aberration of nature. Whereas, the same act if practised by male humans, is a sin before the Judeo-Christian God.

    Does your concept of spiritual disease extend to homosexuality among females (don’t be misled by the prefix “homo” it just mean “same”)? Pretty Blue Eyes and Smooth Chocolate could also give their take on it (remembering of course that it does not involve the use of a penis or anus).

    What about a man killing his brother and having sex and impregnating his non-documented sister; or a father getting drunk and impregnating his two daughters? Are these spiritual diseases too?

    Remember now, Bushie, I am not here to defend or condemn male homosexuality on any ground- moral, biological, hygienic, religious or even ‘spiritual”. Just for the sake of rational thought and balance argument.
    Please don’t do like Pretty Blue Eyes or Smooth (Brown) Chocolate and impute any sexual status or preference to me worthy of invoking the wrath of their Judeo God with Jesus the interceder (amicus curiae) looking on from the cross to plead my case for forgiveness.


  4. Homosexuals are normal human beings with a defect in their brain that makes them have a desire for same gender sex.

    They function like the rest of us except sexually.

    We should treat them with tolerance and compassion just like heterosexual human beings.

  5. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Random Thoughts | March 8, 2012 at 11:11 PM |
    “Why else put the sexing, pissing and shitting organs within 2 inches of each other.”

    Funny as hell this one, Random! Enough to make any hen cackle!
    I am sure the “cocks” don’t think on these things when mounting the hens whose business is all inclusive-just one orifice for all 3 functions.
    Luckily for me though, there is a distance of a “FOOT” between the exits for the “hard” activity and the “liquid’ one. Now don’t apply your “wicked” bajan sense of humour and go removing the “T” in my appendage and replacing it with a “P”
    Well plumbed I am! (LOL). But only for hire but on clean special jobs. No random selection here!

  6. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Elizabeth Pilgrim | March 8, 2012 at 2:41 PM |
    And you can add another common characteristic to the sorry eleven.
    A sizeable proportion of the populations are of African descent, with a recent heritage of enslavement and brainwashing both physically and mentally.
    They are trapped in a Judeo-Christian guilt-trip world of sexual matters purposely inculcated through religious conditioning as a form of continuing mental enslavement after “physical manumission”. An eleven so schizophrenic in their understanding of the “religion vs human sexuality” nexus that they expressed their moral confusion and hypocritical sexual behaviours through the acceptance of high rates of single parent households, teenage pregnancies, rampant sexual abandon, prostitution practised in the open and the growing onslaught and ravages of HIV/ AIDS among the African populations in the “Batting for Jesus” brigade of eleven. What a mockery of the man’s teachings!


  7. @ Smooth Chocolate

    Yeah “A Jackass cross with a retard”….now I know I’m home. Wonderful stuff, pure “deification”. But question…which Book are YOU talking about? And ‘luv’ remind me…are you Harrison’s or Comb…? But to be VERY serious……you actually make my point for me – see, the jackass and the retard were both MALE.

    @ Miller

    I’m not sure about the rest……but your last sentence just above says it all. Sometimes I wonder whether there’s any point in bothering.

    @ Random

    You are quite right. Children make few distinctions – black/white, good/bad, clean/dirty. They just play, fall down, get up, and play some more. At that stage they don’t have belief systems to strangle them. It’s why Jesus loved them.


  8. @ Random

    On the “margin”…nothing wrong with being “marginal”. Jesus was “marginal”. It means we’re not trapped by systems, beliefs, conditionings. It means we can experiment without fear and not have to apologize all the time to please someone else’s straightjacket of a mind. In other words, it means we’re FREE.


  9. @ Pretty Blue Eyes…or anyone

    How do you know animals don’t have souls? How do you know that you have a soul? I mean, did you read it somewhere? Do you want to identify the soul as ‘the breath of God in you’? If so, do trees have souls? Or would we say that some animals, eg dogs, have nascent souls? Is the part of you which is not the soul ‘not-you’?


  10. @ Pretty Blu Eyes
    “Why would you compare animals with us, we have souls they do not so drop the heaven and hell theory about the animals they are not going to stand before the Judgement throne, Christ did not die for them.”

    You are an arse. All of god’s creations were created equally, your pathetic little bible tells you so. Animals even have personalities and intelligence just as humans though they are limited. I really can’t take you serious.

    “AFRICANS like normal human beings also abhor homosexuality and believes it is an abomination.”

    I cannot take this statement seriously for you don’t consider the African Peoples to be “fully” human. Not to mention homosexuality was prevalent in precolonial Africa, and homosexuals were regarded as special spiritual practitioners and even diviners. I just got finished schooling Ras Jahaziel. Your ignorance shows for you speak of Africans as if they view themselves as ONE people. MIND U that U ARE REFERRING TO THE MOST GENETICALLY DIVERSE CONTINENT ON THE PLANET!!

    You know NOTHING about Africa nor Human sexuality, so you should stop while ur ahead. face it!! They are necessary to the world because they CURB THE POPULATION BY NOT PROCREATING AND REPRODUCING!!!

    Ur as ignorant as an Irish Drunkard.


  11. @ Smooth Chocolate
    “christian, Muslim, Hindi many regions and those with no religion knows that is wrong”
    NOPE. First off the “HINDU” Indians were globally renowned for practicing homosexuality, Arab Muslim men were known to have Harems filled with women and YOUNG BOYS, BUDDHISM DOES NOT Oppose Homosexuality, and Chrstianity only prohibited homosexuality because they thought males had a limited supply of sperm and that they needed to conserve it by abstaining from deviance which included fornication and adultery, Not just homosexuality.

    FOUR MAJOR WORLD RELIGIONS AND YET YOU FAILED HARD TO SHOW HOW IT IS WRONG! Face it, You are a bigot, and you conveniently forget that Christianity CONDEMNED BLACK PEOPLE BY GRANT OF THEIR SKIN COMPLEXION THROUGH THE STORY OF “THE CURSE OF HAM”. It was used to justify BLACK SUBSERVIENCE YOU FOOL! EXPLAIN THAT!!

    NO??!! BECAUSE YOU CAN’T, YOU SLAVE!!!!

    And I find it funny that you accuse me of “bullying”. My fiancee would be amused to hear that. Perhaps you need to get something off your chest? Why so much guilt? After all, You seem pretty “Sweet” yourself with a name like “smooth Chocolate”. Yeah, YOUR REALLY HETEROSEXUAL NOW!

    Gimme a break, throwing around false and stupid accusations won’t change the fact that you are ignorant and are a BLINDED SLAVE WHO WISHES TO READILY ACCEPT THE DOCTRINES OF HIS OPPRESSIVE WHITE MASTER! What a joke you are!!!!

    I WEEP FOR YOU NON-CHRISTIANIZED ANCESTORS! THEY WOULD TURN THEIR HEADS IN SHAME FOR YOU THINK LIKE A CHATTEL-SLAVE!!!

    -Scratch that, YOU ARE A CHATTEL-SLAVE!

    See, I can throw around accusations as well. Does it mean I’m right?
    Only if the shoe fits…..

    In Short, GROW THE F*CK UP AND TRY TO HAVE A MATURE DISCOURSE ON THIS SITUATION. For all I know, You could be Ras Jahaziel. How truly pathetic you and all the other CHRISTIAN-INDOCTRINATING SLAVES ARE!!!


  12. ATTENTION ALL SLAVES:

    ALL OF YOU PATHETIC SLAVES NEED TO LISTEN TO THE DOCTRINES OF ONE OF THE GREATEST PROPHETS TO EVER GRACE THE BLACK RACE!! LISTEN AS HE TELLS YOU HOW CHRISTIANITY IS NOTHING BUT A TOOL OF THE WHITE MAN TO KEEP THE NEGRO UNDER SUBSERVIENCE, EVEN AFTER THE BONDAGES AND SHACKLES HAVE LOOSENED.

    MAY HEAVEN KEEP YOU WELL DR. JOHN HENRIK CLARKE:


  13. brudah bim it is an abnormality because it is not natural for a man to menstruate or procreate and it is not natural for a woman to ejaculate. A normal male has a penis, a normal female has a vagina. if anything other than that is not abnormal, then pray tell me. on top of it all , bulling , the inserting of a penis into an anus is unhygienic and nasty because it involves contact with faeces/excrement; and contact with excrement invites the public health authorities and the sanitation department. well, mr brhadim, if you still believe that sexual aberrations in the form of homosexuality and lesbianism is normal , then may the souls of the faithful departed rest in peace.


  14. @ Balance
    What homosexuals do on their own time is none of my concern
    Why?? because it is a matter between two consenting adults.
    What they do is none of my business and I CAN ACCEPT THAT!

    “the inserting of a penis into an anus is unhygienic and nasty because it involves contact with faeces/excrement; and contact with excrement invites the public health authorities and the sanitation department.”

    And the vaginal cavity is being invaded by a portrusion that has urine and bacteria spreading throughout the vaginal canal. What say you? And FYI, women do to ejaculate, just not sperm.


  15. ^^Mind You I said it IS natural, but not the norm. It is natural because it is prevalent in nature.


  16. natural normal i can see you are scrambling for a defence but you have no point. i agree what two consenting adults do in their bedrooms is not my business but it does not make homosexuality and lesbianism natural normal.i finish with you. continue to enjoy what you do and like.


  17. @brudah_Bim

    You need to count to 10 and let all views contend. As you know the subject of homosexuality will be contentious anywhere it is discussed more so MSM.


  18. @ balance
    “natural normal i can see you are scrambling for a defence but you have no point. ”

    By saying it is natural, i am pointing out that is is a phenomena that DOES occur in nature. But saying it is not the norm, I am Hinting at the fact that it is not widespread thus cannot be considered “normal” in the sense of numbers.

    Get a clue…


  19. @ David (B.U)
    I’ve realized now that you are contorting my name. That I find that to be quite rude especially since i wear the name BIM as an emblem. Please show some respect B.U.


  20. @Brudah-BIM, no respect intended.


  21. @ David (B.U.)
    “no respect intended.”

    I’m not sure I follow. What is it exactly did I do to trigger such a reaction from you?


  22. @ (B.U.) OH SHUCKS I COMPLETELY MISSED THAT!! (Well, I’m an ass for over analyzing the situation) I’m willing to admit that!!!

    Sorry, i’ve just been on edge with this whole “Joseph Kony” situation taking form here in America. It’s disgusting I tell u.


  23. ^^ My apologies B.U.

  24. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ balance | March 9, 2012 at 6:33 AM |
    “natural normal i can see you are scrambling for a defence but you have no point. i agree what two consenting adults do in their bedrooms is not my business but it does not make homosexuality and lesbianism natural normal.i finish with you. continue to enjoy what you do and like.”

    Come on now, balance! The scales of your “normal” intellectual contribution is out of balance. Probably burdened by the heavy weight of religious and moral teachings and childhood inculcation (not indoctrination).
    It is thought that the many taboo pronouncements (some bordering on denouncements or bans) on the conduct of human sexuality were issued as edicts by religious law makers in order to contain the spread of diseases and conserve sperm to maintain viable populations levels constantly threatened by diseases, tribal war and famine. Hence the misplaced emphasis on having boy children even today in those traditional societies stilled governed by religious dogma some issued over 2,000 years ago. The same way modern-day governments and public health authorities have challenges dealing with sexually transmitted diseases (e.g. HIV/AIDS) and find it necessary to promote messages of “ abstinence, restraint, or safe sex – condoms monogamy, etc, those societies, say of biblical days, had similar challenges. It was only expected (normal), then, for the religious houses which in effect played the role the local government of the day, (tithing equals taxation) to be the responsible focal point for handling such problems that could undermine the very survival of their communities.

    So balance, without looking through your myopic lens on human morality how would you view left-handed people, especially males? Do you see being “left-handed” as unnatural and abnormal? How would also explain ambidextrous people, like me?

    In my opinion I can see a thread of logic in Brudah-Bim’s argument that homosexuality is a constant in nature (natural) but NOT normal. It is found across the entire human population spectrum (both genders, all races, cultures) albeit at tolerable rates to make this human sexual activity statistically minor and hence “abnormal” and not a threat to the heterosexual norm required by Nature for the human population survival for the time being; of course speaking in anthropological terms.


  25. I have avoided making any comments on this. However, and I am quite sure that you will agree with me, the salient point of the whole report is contained in this paragraph:

    “Director of the Joint United Nations Programme on HIV/AIDS (UNAIDS) Caribbean Regional Support Team, Dr. Ernest Massiah, explained that the exercise would help countries in the region to respond more meaningfully to the healthcare and social needs of this heterogeneous group.”

    Whether we like it or not, homosexuality, bisexuality and heterosexuality are with us and are going nowhere. Whether we like it or not, HIV/AIDS, a pernicious disease that affects homosexuals, bisexuals and heterosexuals and can be transmitted by means other than penetrative sexual intercourse is also with us and is going nowhere soon.

    Therefore, I think (but that is only my opinion and my moral and religious conviction) that talk about the morality or immorality of sexual practices that some may approve or and some not, is an exercise in futility. The object of this study is to make the correct medical treatment available to those who have had the misfortune to be infected, from whatever source and in whatever way. So maybe those stern, fire and brimstone breathing “Christians” or other religions and those atheists and agnostics who simply happen to be homophobic or re-writers of history, might like to take a little time out to concentrate on the need to provide medical treatment and medication to those who are suffering from HIV/AIDS, whether acquired through unsafe sex, needles, in doctors’ offices…….or those born, through no fault of their own, with the disease.

    But that is just my view. And if it takes such a study to identify what is truly needed, then for the sake of humanity, let it be done without all this fuss and nonsense that will change the habits and preferences of no one. To try to turn this into a racial issue and claim racial heterosexual purity, instead of dealing in the here and now to alleviate the serious health risk is……well……


  26. @miller but come on now!but doesn,t people have legitimate right to be leary of a group who can contribute to the decline of population.


  27. @Amused

    Your point is worthy, while the moral battle rages there is the current state of play to be attended i.e effectively dispensing the remedy.

    In is noteworthy that despite the conferring national honours to Mickey Waldrond and Carol Jacobs , the trend line for HIV/AIDS infections have never stopped its upward trend.

  28. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ac | March 9, 2012 at 9:54 AM |

    If you are referring to homosexuals then your statement about other people being “leery’ is not pointing in the right direction but the ‘left’ instead. These people if they keep to their own kind (left with left) would be engaging in non-productive sexual activities which cannot add to the 7 billion people currently exploiting Mother Nature who is about to rebel and shake off the parasites. What people (especially females) should be wary about are those males who have sex with both males and females. Bisexuality is the hidden danger in this whole sexual war of words. Just remember though many homosexuals especially those with the accentuated feminine tendencies don’t follow the rules of the sexual game and play with their own kind. They tend to be attracted to the self-proclaimed heterosexual macho males thereby competing vigorously with the “straight females; sometimes with greater financial and other materialistic bait to entrap the same “all-rounders”.

    The admonition intended here is: “Don’t go for men only because of their looks. Dig deeper and if he is a player, call off the game, gf!

  29. Observing (not to be confused with Observer) Avatar
    Observing (not to be confused with Observer)

    Doing some back reading, got as far as Amused. Totally agreed. While we ride our moral high horses the dead pile up beneath our feet and our horses eventually perish in the stable of hypocrisy. Long live life and all attempts to save, preserve and protect it.


  30. @Amused: “Whether we like it or not, homosexuality, bisexuality and heterosexuality are with us and are going nowhere. Whether we like it or not, HIV/AIDS, a pernicious disease that affects homosexuals, bisexuals and heterosexuals and can be transmitted by means other than penetrative sexual intercourse is also with us and is going nowhere soon.

    Thank you for that very important observation.

    HIV/AIDs is a terrible disease, which after more than 30 years of research we still don’t have a cure — only a few (very expensive) treatments which lessen the impact. Sadly, those most vulnerable (sexually promiscuous individuals and intravenous drug users) often cannot afford the available treatments.

    Please note that many of these are Black. And many are in Africa.

    @Bush Tea: “Homosexuality is a spiritual disease whose root cause is well documented.

    Could you please provide peer reviewed documentation that homosexuality is a disease? If it is well documented, this should be easy for you to produce.


  31. So if homosexuality is going to around then shouldn,t goverment change the rules that affect the homosexual in anegative way denying them equal rights that is same rights guareented underlaw for heterosexual and if so in doing would it not enforced a radicle change in the moral teachings of the church which might have to compromise its teachings


  32. @ac et al…

    While a certain Church has problems with homosexuality


  33. @ac et al…

    …the same church has a problem with their own priests buggering their disciples.

    Hmmmm….

  34. Smooth Chocolate Avatar
    Smooth Chocolate

    @Brudah-Bim | March 9, 2012 at 5:59 AM |
    ” You are a bigot, and you conveniently forget that Christianity CONDEMNED BLACK PEOPLE BY GRANT OF THEIR SKIN COMPLEXION THROUGH THE STORY OF “THE CURSE OF HAM”.

    u are just as retarded and blinded as all others for u are accepting exactly what a white man said. show me where in the bible does it say that the curse of Ham’ meant that his skin was black. or for that matter that it was in reference to skin colour of that the Canaanites were originally black. u really are pathetic. go on being blind,,if u should die today, see how much ur skin colour would play in the salvation of ur soul

  35. Smooth Chocolate Avatar
    Smooth Chocolate

    @Brudah-Bim | March 9, 2012 at 5:59 AM |
    i am totally female. my workmates call me a freak since I’m crazy just looking at the male (bronze men) physique.. as far as i know my ancestors were indian and english (white). the black came in pretty late and they practiced christianity. that’s my inheritance… warms my heart just to think about it ;-).

  36. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Smooth Chocolate | March 9, 2012 at 5:49 PM |
    “.. show me where in the bible does it say that the curse of Ham’ meant that his skin was black. or for that matter that it was in reference to skin colour of that the Canaanites were originally black.”

    Good point, Smoothie! Now explain this one for us.
    According to the fable, the only humans that survived God’s flood that destroyed all life on Earth other than those in the “big able” ark were Noah and his family (wife ,three sons and their wives). If this was really the anthropological explanation for the existence of modern man could you please explain the various races and skin colours that exist today? White, Black, Chinese, Indian, Pygmy, Eskimo, Aborigines etc? Would you say that for modern man to have come about a lot of incestuous hanky-panky must have taken place after leaving the ark? Cousins having it with cousins and brothers with sisters. Oh, what an incestuous lot we have descended from!

    Please don’t duck this important question. Enlighten your fellow bloggers, please!


  37. DONT you know that all botty boy and rubber ducky girl ha fe feel it and that is why men should consort with men nor women with women ?
    DONT you realize yet that it is wrong wrong wrong wrong to be a bull@#$


  38. @ CH & Miller

    …what do you folks need…..? A research paper complete with lit review? 🙂
    Bushie is surprised that you two are missing the bigger picture with this issue.

    Our world was brilliantly put together in support of its fundamental purpose of being an incubator and crucible for the development of an otherwise ‘uncreatable’ attribute called RIGHTEOUS CHARACTER.
    To accomplish this end, a temporary ‘physical’ realm was conceptualized and initiated – with a ticking time clock driven by the law of entropy.

    So understand that the REAL existence, and the REAL laws, are spiritual, while those which were established to guide our temporary (a few billion years or so) physical reality are really just temporary images of the real laws. Not only did BBE ‘create man in his own image’ but much of the physical creation mirrors and reflects the absolute spiritual reality. If one therefore was astute enough to understand our world, it stands to reason that a fair appreciation
    of the spiritual realm becomes possible.

    ….suffice to say that certain dirty spiritual minds and social environments can result in disruption of the normally designed functioning of the human mind…and have done so to various extents, for generations.

    A few of us would respond by cleaning up our acts, but it appears that most would wish to maintain the environment and adjust to living with the disease.

  39. Random Thoughts Avatar
    Random Thoughts

    Quoting smooth chocolate “THAT IS A LIE AND U KNOW IT. the most scornful people on earth are children”

    You understand don’t you that something as basic as walking must be learned in a social environment. Humans are born with the capacity to learn how to walk, but if a human child never sees another human walking that child will never learn how to walk. And if a human child doses not hear language spoken that that child will never learn how to speak any language. But the human brain is so remarkable that virtually all humans learn (without formal lessons) how to walk and how to talk by the middle of their second year.

    Most human behaviour even while rooted in biology is in fact social, that is the behaviour is learned behaviour.

    And being “scornful” is entirely learned. Children are scornful of those things their parents and caregivers are scornful of.


  40. @Bush Tea: “…what do you folks need…..? A research paper complete with lit review?

    You claimed that homosexuality is a spiritual disease which has been well documented.

    I asked you to provide the documentation. Which you clearly cannot.

    @BT: “Our world was brilliantly put together in support of its fundamental purpose of being an incubator and crucible for the development of an otherwise ‘uncreatable’ attribute called RIGHTEOUS CHARACTER.

    That is your OPINION, which you try to present as fact.

    An opinion I personally disagree with, and which you cannot support with evidence.

    @BU.Family… Completely off-topic, I met BAFBFP in “meat-space” tonight. No bodily fluids were exchanged, although we did joke about punching each other out. Instead we shook hands, ate food and drank wine… LOL….


  41. @ BB

    I hadn’t heard about the Joseph Kony thing until a few minutes ago. Why do you say it’s “disgusting”?


  42. @ Smooth Chocolate
    “as far as i know my ancestors were indian and english (white). the black came in pretty late and they practiced christianity.”

    Anything to denounce YOUR AFRICAN ANCESTRY. Tell urself that if it helps you sleep at night and tolerate your BLACK “bronze” skin.
    ______________________________________________________
    “show me where in the bible does it say that the curse of Ham’ meant that his skin was black. or for that matter that it was in reference to skin colour of that the Canaanites were originally black.”

    Here’s a scripture from the old editions of the Jewish Talmud (which is the precursor to the curse of Ham). NOW READ UP U CONFLICTED SLAVE:
    “Now, I can no longer engender the fourth son whom I would have gave the order (…)
    your children shall serve, you and your brothers ! It has to be Canaan, your first born, that they shall take as a slave.
    And since you have made me incapable of doing bad things in the darkness of the night, the children of Canaan will be born ugly and black ! Also, because you have stretched yourself to see my nudity, the hair of your grandchildren will curl so that it turns nappy and their eyes will be red, also, because your lips have joked about my misfortune, yours will swell and since you had a lack of respect for my nudity, they will go around naked and their virile part extend ignobly.”

    Old editions of the Talmuld still state that:
    “Cush, lineage of Ham, shall become black because of the curse (…)
    The crow and the Cushite will be black because of their wrongdoings”.

    In the book of Jeremiah, we can also read (Jeremiah ch.13 v.23):
    “Can a Kushite change his skin (…) Live and dwell on your land like the Kushites,
    like the elements of nature, you shall not cease belonging to me”.


  43. I wonder whether the homosexual/heterosexual split is not an example of the reductionist fallacy. Things are really not so simple as they so often seem. I know a lawyer who looks white but says he’s black; and a white friend who says he’s white but who was so respected that he was made a chief in Ibo land. Apparently he experienced dreams in which he figured as a black person.
    Now we know that the Greeks had a minor diety who was a hermaphrodite and many believed that once upon a time we had a body which was both male and female. A splitting occurred with the consequence that the male in the original was tagged to a female form and female to male. The idea is that the history of our sexuality is wrapped round the search for unity once more, the search for our ‘soulmate’, our other half.
    We retain vestiges of our androgyny. There is, of course, the sensitivity of the male nipple. BB has referred above to the female “ejaculation”; and doubtless the female orgasm is something devoutly to be wished. Some women find intense pleasure in anal intercourse, and others are turned on by participating in male homosexual encounters. Bi-sexuality is, of course, common and many find the shemale form irresistible. But, in any event, there is no getting away from the Goddess Kleitoris – thank goodness. But gentlemen – when we do our stuff what exactly are we doing? Remember we are told that we are only ever using 2% of our available brain power.

    My point is, then, that it’s really not all about the anal orifice as an aberrational focus of erotic delight; and most certainly not about simplistic precepts on toilet habits or Biblical injunctions.


  44. Of interest:
    Migration and religion
    Holy rollers
    Mar 10th 2012 | from the print edition
     

    Christians comprise a third of the world’s people but half its migrants, according to a report from the Pew Research Centre. They make up three-quarters of foreigners living in America, and 56% in the EU. Jews are the most footloose of all: one in four live outside their country of birth. Only 27% of immigrants are Muslim, who most commonly move to Saudi Arabia or Russia. Migrants favour countries that are both economically vibrant and culturally familiar—fewer tempting destinations may be one reason why Muslims are less inclined than Christians to up sticks.
    http://www.economist.com/node/21549945?fsrc=scn/tw/te/ar/holyrollers


  45. What is “REAL EXISTENCE” and what does term implies BT?


  46. HIV/AIDs is a terrible disease, which after more than 30 years of research we still don’t have a cure — only a few (very expensive) treatments which lessen the impact. Sadly, those most vulnerable (sexually promiscuous individuals and intravenous drug users) often cannot afford the available treatments.

    mr halsall- what makes the new world order man-made disease labelled HIV/AIDS more terrible than the other killer diseases.

    The major killers in the world are not infectious diseases, insidious viruses or bacteria.

    The leading causes of deaths worldwide are noncommunicable diseases, such as heart disease, cancers, lung disease and diabetes. These diseases killed more than 36 million people in 2008, according a report released Tuesday by the World Health Organization.

    Heart disease deaths were responsible for 48% of these deaths, cancers 21%, chronic lung diseases 12%, and diabetes 3%. In many cases these are preventable deaths that are related to unhealthy habits such as smoking, physical inactivity, and unhealthy diets.

    Infectious diseases such as diarrheal diseases (2.46 million deaths) and HIV/AIDS (1.78 million deaths) trailed behind heart and lung diseases, according to the WHO’s list of the top causes of death.
    AIDS is another new world order experiment designed as a means of control. It was first marketed as a homosexual disease which as a taboo to the majority with normal sexual behaviours instantly stigmatised the disease to such an extent that it was common to hear comments like “i ain’t afraid to die but not from the bulling disease”.

    although AIDS is now placed in the same category of other high risk sexual disease because of the reduction of deaths as a result of the availibilty of treatment, AIDS educators have found it challenging to remove the stigma attached to the disease from the minds of the people despite intense educational programmes worldwide.

    Although there are numerous factors in the spread of HIV/AIDS, it is largely recognised as a disease of poverty, hitting hardest where people are marginalised and suffering economic hardship. IMF designed Structural Adjustment Programmes (SAPs), adopted by debtor countries as a condition of debt relief, are hurting, not working. By pushing poor people even deeper into poverty, SAPs may be increasing their vulnerability to HIV infection, and reinforcing conditions where the scourge of HIV/AIDS can flourish.

    — Deadly Conditions? Examining the relationship between debt relief policies and HIV/AIDS, Medact and the World Development Movement, SeptembeProfiting from death— … the AIDS epidemic has brought billions of dollars in profits to the world’s pharmaceutical companies—the newest combination drug therapies can cost up to 20,000 US dollars per person per year. There have been strong calls for companies to cut these prices, and worldwide condemnation of drugs giant Glaxo-Wellcome for raising the price of its market leader AZT as well as holding back access to new drugs. Until people’s needs are put before corporate profits, there will be one AIDS epidemic for the rich and another for the poor.


  47. AIDS is another new world order experiment designed as a means of control. It was first marketed as a homosexual disease which as a taboo to the majority with normal sexual behaviours instantly stigmatised the disease to such an extent that it was common to hear comments like “i ain’t afraid to die but not from the bulling disease”.

    although AIDS is now placed in the same category of other high risk sexual disease because of the reduction of deaths as a result of the availibilty of treatment, AIDS educators have found it challenging to remove the stigma attached to the disease from the minds of the people despite intense educational programmes worldwide.

    Mr halsall- the above are my views. the other excerpts in the previous comments directed to you were quotations. sorry.


  48. @ CH
    LOL. No doubt you are fully aware of the extent to which the Bushman is concerned with ‘your opinion’ .
    Shoot man! you could not even convince the FTC that Light and Power’s proposed rate increase was excessive….. Who could expect you to comprehend eternal secrets about BBE???
    …let’s just leave it as BT’s weird theories. 🙂

    @ac
    What is “REAL EXISTENCE’?
    Excellent question…. And please accept the Bushman’s apology for tossing such undefined terms into the post.

    Suppose you had some VERY wealthy and wise parents who decided when you were born, to provide the VERY BEST opportunities and support for your success in life. They know that you will someday inherit a large fortune, so in preparation, they send you to a tough boarding school for 3 years to build us your character (so you won’t end up spoilt like the children of so many rich folk that we know 🙂 )

    Rather than use the opportunity at school to build character as your parents intended, you grab you newfound freedom and independence to indulge in drugs, sex, and carefree indulgences

    The REAL EXISTENCE is clearly a matter of perspective. While you may be convinced in your little college world that you are “living it up”, (especially if your IQ is in the same range as CH’s 🙂 ), a larger perspective such as your parent’s or a person with a MME type IQ, would see that you are COMPLETELY missing the opportunity provided to succeed in the REAL EXISTENCE.

    ….so it is not that the college existence is ‘unreal’, but that it pales in comparison to the alternative and INTENDED reality visualized by the parents.

    Hope this is clearer….
    BTW ac, now that you and the smelly Old Onions have divorced, …and as we seem to be on the same side, and of opposite sex, in this particular post…. Any chance of a date….?


  49. @BT

    Any chan ce of a date! if you commit to a BUSH BATHE !


  50. Cheese on bread ac, don’t you ever forget….?
    The bush bath you have in mind should not be scheduled for a first date 🙂

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