WHAT de ^%$#^$$##@ is a Man having sex with a man ??
IS there something that a man can have with a man and called it sex ??
WHY these people dont behave themselves though ???
MAN having “”sex “”” with man???
ISNT that Sodom and Gomorrah ???

@ the OP and David (B.U.)

Why isn’t there a more serious survey that asks the citizens of the Caribbean is whether or not they are satisfied with their governments, political processes, transparency, and Quality of life?

That seems to be more of an impending issue, wouldn’t you agree?

But after all, I’m only “Just Asking”…..

Having looked at the survey at the link, I find it all rather odd. It says it’s ultimately about “empowerment” and “making life better” – but doesn’t say how. The identity of the researchers is not disclosed. It begins by gathering personal information before giving the respondent the opportunity to see the substantive questions which will be asked about his health/sexuality or whatever. Surely it should be the other way round? I found it rather sinister.

Why would you not want to know about how this group is feeling, a group forced to operate in the closet because of the fear of stigmatization?

Did you listen to the debate in the Senate yesterday? This is a story which should be on the NAATION’s frontpage today.

Although homosexuality is one contributor to HIV?AIDs it behooves us to communicate between the affected groups.

Ignoring the matter will not add value to the process of changing behaviours and or finding solutions.

@readydone

Understand your position but there is the pragmatic view. If Barbados wants to go its own way on this issue then we should rescind our membership in international agencies and survive in our own space.

@ JUST ASKING | March 7, 2012 at 11:13 PM |
“MAN having “”sex “”” with man??? ISNT that Sodom and Gomorrah ???”

What do know about “the tale of those two cities”?
Do you naively believe it was your biblical revengeful god way of eliminating homosexuality from the town of Sodom? If so he failed miserably because the only persons whom escape the biblical cataclysm of nuclear proportion were Lot and his kin and kin (those chosen by your god to be spared the holocaust). So for homosexuality to have thrived after that final solution it would have had to be embedded in the genes of that Lot and his kith and kin. Effectively then your biblical clean and straight guy might have been a closet homosexual with bisexual leanings. After all, living impregnating your own daughters to carry on your lineage can only exacerbate the “sins of the father”.
It seems that Lot’s genetic deviation has come down to modern man. Even mixing with his Uncle Abraham’s lineage did not totally dilute this “bent sodomite” leanings through the ages

Please, Just Asking, do NOT read things in your religious book of indoctrination (your Judeo-Christian bible) and accept them at face value as the “Truth”.
There is a much greater esoteric meaning behind this tale (a battle between the “gods” who visited earth with man just being the collateral damage).
Do a bit of research and you might become a bit more ‘enlightened’ about the underlying meaning of the tale. Interpret it in the same way you would interpret the story of Noah and the ark. Just letting you know! Ok, Just Asking?

Good morning all.

In response to a few of your concerns I wish to clarify that this initiative is led by the Joint United Nations Programme on HIV/AIDS (UNAIDS) Caribbean Regional Support Team (RST) and involves several individuals, non-governmental organisations and partner agencies throughout the region. This is explained on the survey website, http://www.carimis.org.

We are committed to sharing the findings of this survey with all stakeholders, whether at the governmental or civil society level, so that the most honest and current accounts of this community’s concerns are considered in national HIV responses. That is how respondents will benefit in the long term.

Feel free to continue the spirited debate but please also spread the word so that there is widespread participation.

Regards,
Cedriann Martin
http://www.unaidscaribbean.org

@ cedriann martin

It was nice of you to contribute. However, like the link you mention individuals, NGO’s and the like – BUT you do not say who they are; nor do you say precisely what use the information is supposed to have other than that it has something to do with HIV/Aids. For myself, I would be unhappy about supplying my personal information – as I would be required to do – unless I was able to see where it was leading me in terms of the substantive questions I would then be asked. But in the survey I am not able to do that. IF a student had come to me with such a survey frankly I would have told her/him to go away and work on it. But, of course, I am not saying that the idea of a survey is bad in itself you understand. It’s simply that I think it should ‘come clean’ about what it IS.

@ Ras

Why are you so obsessive about the anal orifice? It almost seems like hatred of it. Far worse things are apt to come from the mouth I think. Or to put it another way…is the vaginal orifice only for bleeding and breeding …or the penile protrusion for peeing and posing? And aren’t both about toilet living in your sense? Actually it’s not a bad subject for a poem of the “In praise of….” sort.

@Brudah-Jim

Are you saying there is no room for abnormality?

@David: “Are you saying there is no room for abnormality?

I think Brudah-Bim is arguing that Science has proven that same-sex attraction is known throughout the animal kingdom. Particularly among the “higher-primates”.

The problem comes when the humans enter the picture, and believe that
“their kind” need to procreate faster than their competitors, and so try to impose their moral will upon others… Same-sex sex doesn’t procreate, does it?

Yeah… Like Mother Earth needs more humans to feed; and women should be nothing but a birthing engine, and men should go out and impregnate everything they can…

Yeah… That makes a lot of sense….

@Brudah-Jim

Are saying because ‘homosexuality’ occurs in the animal kingdom it is natural? Why can’t it be an abnormality?

@ David (B.U.)
Why is it an abnormality when this phenomenon has been in existence since the earliest of times. Throughout history this has taken place, I just find it unusual that now all of a sudden it is an issue. The animals don’t see anything wrong with it and they don’t discriminate against each other because of their “homosexual tendencies”. Sexuality is not Black & White, especially human sexuality. Therefore, we cannot deem what is “normal” from “abnormal” without critically analyzing the entire spectrum of homosexuality. Virtually ALL species on earth have some degree of homosexuality, even amongst Horses for goodness sakes. That is why I really don’t see an issue. It is only those who have been raised in a Judeo-Christian environment who have an issue with it. Mind you that the reason why homosexuality was not condoned in ancient times (in the Judeo-Christian sphere) because the ancients thought that human sperm had a limited supply, and thus created a need amongst men to abstain from “sexual deviance”, this includes adultery and fornication.

So when you look at this whole “issue” with homosexuality, it is pretty much ridiculous to view it as an abnormality when one looks at it from a scholarly, historical, and scientific perspective.

@BU.David: “What empirical do you point to support that if it happens in the animal kingdom it is normal?

OK… Let’s play this game.

Can you please tell us how many Bajans have born more children than they can support without Government help?

This includes the unwed mother knocked up by a stud.

@BU.David… If I may please ask you a direct (and in my option, a very important) question…

Would you be wiling to accept as a representative to Government someone who was not married to someone of the opposite sex?

@ Brudah-Bim | March 8, 2012 at 3:02 PM |
“Which essentially makes it “natural”, not necessarily “Normal”. We must assess this issue from all sides.”

Good point. Natural but not the “norm”.

One must appreciate that nature has certain built-in redundancies its reproductive role. In both flora and fauna can be found examples of redundant or sterile or un-reproductive species and sexual activity. Barren trees, infertile animals -especially humans are just two examples of Mother Nature’s way of controlling the populations of species other than by culling through war, drought, famine, or disease epidemics like the circa mid 16th Century “black death” plague that decimated the European populations. A mule is another example of Nature’s variety by redundancy outcomes. Maybe among animals, especially humans, homosexuality is a built in sterility or redundant sexual activity (but not denying them a bit of frivolous and futile fun) as a way of “controlling’ the population and to ease some of the pressures off her limited resources. How else can one explain the universal occurrence of homosexuality among both genders in all races and cultures, despite the blind denials of people like Ras Jahaziel that such an “abomination’ does not exist among the true African. And. Just a theory! Maybe the likes of Ras Jahaziel could explain the sexual habit of ‘self-gratification – masturbation or the biblical term called onanism. Masturbation is in itself a redundant sexual activity or is it the “norm” among men of African descent who statistically make up an abnormally high percentage of the prison population in Western societies. Black men are much more highly represented in prisons than is reflected in other spheres of the wider society where liberal Western values prevail. But of course the likes of Ras Jahaziel would seek to dismiss these “realities on the ground” reflecting the “average state of black men in the West the same way he would want to argue that cunnilingus is an art form in which black men do NOT consider as a first resort far less indulge in order to prepare the batting wicket for elegant stroke playing.

To what a degree does morality define what is normal for human beings?

Christopher Halsall | March 8, 2012 at 4:36 PM |
“For example, I once had an employee (a religious fanatic) yell at me because I chose to not have children even though I could have.”

So naive, you are! Forget the overly ardent religious fanaticism. Just another church pastor groupie she was. With an IQ much higher than hers and the ability to fertilize the female was trying to let you know in the heat of things that she was ready. Pheromones and hormones are overpoweringly bewitching natural substances much more effective than Viagra or old fashion brush and stud.

Nature cannot be “Out thinked” outsmart” or outmaneuvered the brilliance of nature that it has placed everything in precise order .we as individuals in our attempt to show or intelligence tries to instill or will upon others when in fact most of the time it is mother nature who have had the final word and there is nothing we can do about it .

@ Miller
“Maybe among animals, especially humans, homosexuality is a built in sterility or redundant sexual activity (but not denying them a bit of frivolous and futile fun) as a way of “controlling’ the population and to ease some of the pressures off her limited resources.”

EXACTLY WHERE I AM POINTING AT. Perhaps Homosexuality is Nature’s way of curbing an explosive human population. Why should homosexuals bare the brunt of scorn when in fact they are doing humans and nature a favor by not producing any offspring?

One could even go so far as to say that it is a necessity!!

On the question of normalcy

Readers may or may not be interested to know that I have completed research for a book on sex and Christian belief. For all sorts of reasons it may even be a best seller!!! But the point is this: my researches indicate that in sexual matters absolutely NOTHING is abnormal in the sense of unthinkable, unusual, abominable (ie not as a question of numbers). EG…we all have our ‘dark’ fantasies. They may well make us feel guilty given our various conditionings – even perverted. However, the way to deal with this is to understand that everyone has them and that there is nothing , therefore,unnatural about them. Repressing them only makes them more powerful, more controlling. It must also be understood that one man’s normalcy is another’s perversion. This if A dreams of ‘A’ and B dreams of ‘B’ and each tells the other, it is likely that A will be horrified and regard B as a pervert and vice versa. C may regard them both as perverts and simply enjoy beating his wife; or may be an RC priest and be riddled by guilt despite his hand not having dropped off after 30 years of masturbation. I could concretise this further but I guess you get the point.

@Brudah-Bim | March 8, 2012 at 1:27 AM |
“…You’re throwing around those “Christian principles” because you believe in an institution that is foreign to your AFRICAN ancestors…The bonds and shackles of slavery are gone, but the European has essentially COLLARED the BAJAN to see the world from THE EUROPEAN PERSPECTIVE. By doing so, the Bajan has accepted the lie that they are INFERIOR to the British!”

what do u consider throwing christian principles?!! by taking a stand against bullying? christian, Muslim, Hindi many regions and those with no religion knows that is wrong. why did u pick Christianity? the slaves knew it was wrong…the europeans perspective is that there is nothing wrong…jackass. so what have we accepted as a lie? God NEVER put a man to push his penis inside of another man’s defecation cavity this has NOTHING to do with slavery, it has to do with nature and nature dictates it is unwholesome. however, what u people are doing now is trying ur best to make others accept that it is natural. it is not and it never will be. it is a perversion and an extremely shitty perversion. that does not mean that the bullar is hated. if ur child was a gambler, won’t u have the ability to hate what he’s doing and yet love him? people are mature enough to separate the two. bullying is a perversion at its highest but we know many bullars were raped as children, some were constantly abused etc so we sympathise with them but certainly not hate them.

@”robert ross | March 8, 2012 at 7:52 PM |
“Readers may or may not be interested to know that I have completed research for a book on sex and Christian belief.. this: my researches indicate that in sexual matters absolutely NOTHING is abnormal in the sense of unthinkable, unusual, abominable..”

u are a jackass cross with a retard to have the gumption to actually put such crap on the net..the same book that spoke and gave guidance on marriage between a man and woman, is the same book the spoke about the abomination of bullying. it is the same book that pointed out that killing another human was wrong. how could u people choose to accept that it is wrong for ur wife to have another man, or for someone to steal ur hard earn possessions, yet choose to ignore what the same book speaks about homosexuality? if u accept that murder for no reason is wrong, if u accept that adultery is wrong, if u accept that stealing is wrong then u have to accept that bullying/wickin is also wrong. there is none so blind as he who WILL NOT see.

@”millertheanunnaki | March 8, 2012 at 9:35 AM |”

those stories in the bible were never put there to show us how we ought or not to be, they are there to teach us life’s lessons, human failings and man’s triumph. God has chosen to give us a legacy of the victories and defeats of human kind, simply to show us that even though we fail, he is still there to pick us up. and even when we fail he is still there by our side. if u really read the bible, u will see that they are more battles fought on human failings that those that were won. from the day that Adam sinned God said he would send a second Adam and he did. when u die, u will face this very God. how u face Him is ur choice. u may insult, laugh off or dismiss the stories in God’s word as silly fables but one thing u can never dismiss is the voice that speaks to ur conscious.

@”Random Thoughts | March 8, 2012 at 10:50 PM |
“Young humans have no scorn at all of bodily emissions. It takes a child years before he or she understand that he or she must not play in his or her poo..”

THAT IS A LIE AND U KNOW IT. the most scornful people on earth are children…as soon as they developed the ability to smell, they u see the difference. stop fooling ur old self. try it. take a 2 year old to ur toilet with deification inside, tell the child to urinate in it and see how hard that child will want to get away.