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The six-ship convoy had set out to carry 10,000 tonnes of aid from Cyprus to Gaza, despite repeated Israeli warnings that it would not be allowed to reach the territory

The video shows the Israeli soldiers descending to the ship. The video also shows some passengers on the ship brandishing sword like weapons. The Israeli government claims the ships were warned not to approach its territory. The organizers of the flotilla left the coast of Cyprus on Sunday and is reported to have been boarded by the Israeli while in international waters.

We all know the answer how this conflict will end. The nuclear outfitted Israel with support from the globe’s only military superpower the United States will have its way. When will it end? Well it seems like total destruction no solution.

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635 responses to “Israel Versus Palestine, Seems Like Total Destruction No Solution”

  1. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    Myth or FACT: Did the Israeli government, pressured by the US President, in 2005, forceably remove 10,000 Israeli’s from their homes in Gaza, leaving them HOMELESS, for the sake of so-called peace?

    Myth or FACT: Did HAMAS, who stagged a ‘coup’ in 2007, constituting a de facto ‘Terrorist’ regime, not fire over 8,000 rockets into Israel at Sderot and other civilian towns, totally unprovoked, REFUSING to stop this blatant terrorism upon innocent Israeli towns?

    Myth or FACT: Does not the Hamas Charter, CALL for the total DESTRUCTION of Israel?

    Myth or FACT: And why did activists on board the Mavi Marmara SING: ‘Khaybar, Khaybar, ya Yahud, Jaysh Muhammad Sa-ys-ud’? ‘Khaybar, Khaybar, O Jews: the army of Muhammad will return.’ Khaybar was the land of several Jewish settlements attacked by Muhammad and his forces, after which the Jewish inhabitants were either massacred or sold into slavery or deported. Just what sort of *Humanitarian* activists ISSUED this THREAT on board a ship carrying aid?

    Myth or FACT: Israel has NOT ONCE, ever attacked any Arab territory, without FIRST being attacked, as IS the case with the Gaza de facto, terrorist regime, HAMAS.

    Myth or FACT: Hamas HAS used the BILLIONS of $$ for aid to rebuild the infrastructure of Gaza, to further their TERRORIST intentions to DESTROY Israel.

    Myth or FACT: In light of the forgoing facts, WHO is really responsible for the Gaza population having to suffer what they are going through, by the blockade restrictions, Israel, who are simply exercising their sovereign right to PROTECT their very existence, OR, HAMAS, whose sole intent is to smuggle materials into Gaza, to build up their military forces, to ultimately carry out their Charter declared intention, that Israel must NOT EXIST?

  2. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    Sect members charged with abusing children to ‘protect them’

    Leader of the ‘Ithaca’ who allegedly ordered the children be hit to ‘save their souls’ committed suicide in his prison cell days after being arrested.

    By Ofra Edelman

    Three members of the “Ithaca” cult were charged with the severe abuse of their children, according to an indictment submitted to the Peta Tikvah District court on Sunday.

    According to the indictment, sect leader, Shay Abramov instructed members to physically abuse their children, in what he called a “treatment” against accidents and illnesses, so to save their lives and prevent their souls from going to hell.

    Sect leader Abramov took his own life while in custody in the Hadarim detention center, just four days after being arrested for the alleged abuse. He had been arrested in a Haifa hideaway, where he had stayed prior to his arrest along with his wife and for children.

    Abramov’s wife, as well as two other parents, were charged with striking their underage children with a carpet beater, as well as with a rolled-up newspaper that was fastened with duct tape. The children were also reportedly encouraged to engage in the abuse themselves.

    The marks of violence, called “battle scars,” were allegedly supposed to protect the soul from distress. The children were reported to have been made to wear long-sleeved cloths in order to hide the marks, while being excluded from medical care and removed from the public education system.

    The state prosecutor’s office wrote in the indictment that the allegations “uncover a horrifying tale of abuse…during a period of six months, for the purpose of preventing them from becoming felons and to ‘take the evil out of them,” adding that the reported abuse was “severe and systematic.”

    The state had requested the court that the three suspects be remanded for the duration of the legal proceedings against them, or that they would be released to house arrest.

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    today is let the light shine day!

  3. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    BUSH’S WAR ON GLOBAL TERRORISM:
    FACT or FICTION?

    Do you remember the Muslim terrorist bombing of:

    *Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland (1988)?

    * TWA Filght 840 from England (1986)?

    * The World Trade Center in 1993?

    *American Embassy in Beirut in 1983 & in 1984?

    *American Embassy in Kuwait (1983)?

    *the Marine barracks in Lebanon (1983)?

    * the American military barracks in Saudi Arabia
    (in 1995 & in 1996)?

    *the American Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania
    (1998)?

    *The US Air Force base in Rhein-Main (1985)?

    *the US Cole (2000)?

    *America on 9/11?

  4. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    FICTION! FIX-TION!

    let the light shine day!

  5. Inkwell Avatar
    Inkwell

    Do you not ask yourself WHY the above list does NOT read:

    *Air Canada Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland (1988)?

    * BA Filght 840 from England (1986)?

    * The TD Center in 1993?

    *Canadian Embassy in Beirut in 1983 & in 1984?

    *Canadian Embassy in Kuwait (1983)?

    *the British Army barracks in Lebanon (1983)?

    * the Canadian military barracks in Saudi Arabia
    (in 1995 & in 1996)?

    *the Canadian Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania
    (1998)?

    *The Canadian Air Force base in Rhein-Main (1985)?

    *the HMS Cole (2000)?

    *Canada on 9/11?

    Does it not occur to you that all these acts are retribution for and the expression of Muslim anger at the (perceived) role of the US in the ongoing oppression of Arab peoples by the US created and maintained, out of control, illegitimate entity called Israel and its own disregard for the rights of Arab peoples?

    American contempt and injustice came back to bite it in the ass. And it isn’t over yet.

  6. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    the ‘zio-con’ had a hand in almost all of them and today their hands are still smoking from their huge roll in 9/11 & 7/7 in london. walk along wall street and you can still smell the stench of the thermite.

    ‘by way of deception thou shalt do war’

  7. 555dubstreet Avatar
    555dubstreet

    8) no worry yourself too much jah jah children don’t worry yourself too much..
    tempo explosion (black victory-
    1985)

  8. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    Since the year 2000, the Arabs have been excavating on the Temple Mount at a feverish pace. Thousands of tons of earth have been removed. Why are the Arabs doing this?

    Several questions need to be answered:

    *Why is there such a feverish pace underway?

    *Why are the Arabs dumping the excavated material together with household garbage?

    It is at the grounds of Emek Zurim National Park, where Israeli archaeologists have been sifting through piles of rubble that were transfered from a garbage dump used by Wakf officials to discard their diggings from the Temple Mount. It is here that archaeologists have discovered history-rich artifacts dating back to the periods of the First and Second Temples of Jews; priceless artifacts that are unique and irreplaceable since NO ONE had ever dug on the Temple Mount before. And the Arabs are PURPOSELY DESTROYING these artifacts and dumping them together with household garbage, in order to PREVENT professional inspection of these finds.

    The main question to be asked is WHY Arabs are purposely utilizing heavy equipment in an area replete with such fragile treasures, many dating back to at least the time of Israel’s King David and Solomon and the First Temple and why are they not acting to preserve these delicate and ancient archaeological finds?

    Well, we must first remember that Arabs claimed that the two Jewish Temples never existed in Jerusalem, and that Jews are not indigenous to the City of Jerusalem or the Land. They must, therefore, as a matter of urgency, DESTROY all evidence proving that they are *inverting* history. The Palestinian Authority MUST DESTROY these ancient relics, because they PROVE the existence of a Jewish presence in the City and the Land – a bond from time immemorial. The PA must destroy these ancient relics, because these archaeological finds reveal that Arafat had been LYING to the world, from time immemorial. Jerusalem WAS NOT holy for Muslims. Mecca and Medina are. The reasons that Muslims built the Dome of the Rock on the Jewish Temple Mount in the first place, was, precisely, to usurp the rights of Jews to that area.

    Now, it is vitally relevant to contrast the recent statements, (January 2001) of the Mufti of the Palestinian Authority told to the German publication Die Welt:

    “There is not the smallest indication of the existence of a Jewish Temple on this place in the past. In the whole city there is not even a single stone indicating Jweish history.”

    Of course, the above statement, is a classic use of Arab ‘Turnspeak’ a cynical inverting of FACTS, in order to propogate their LIES against Israel, and the vast amount of historical evidence for thousands of years re the Jews presence and right to this Land.

    Now, let us see what the Muslim holy book itself describes re the construction of even the FIRST TEMPLE and the destruction of both Temples; for an example see Koran, Surah 34:13 and 17.

    NOTE CAREFULLY: That in 1930, echoing the real FACTS, the SUPREME MUSLIM COUNCIL published “A Brief Guide to al-Haram al-Sharif”. Consisting of the leading Muslim religious figures of the day, the Council stated that:

    “[The Temple Mount site is} one of the oldest in the world and that ITS SANCTITY dates from the EARLIST TIMES. Its IDENTITY with the site of Solomon’s Temple IS BEYOND DISPUTE. This, too, is the SPOT, according to universal belief, on which (King) David built an alter.” emphasis added.

    NOTE, this Muslim “A Brief Guide to al-Haram al-Sharif” predates 1967, the point at which the combined Arab forces sought to ANNIHIALTE Israel, and LOST, with Israel rightfully regaining its sovereign control of East Jerusalem, and the West Bank, which were ILLEGALLY captured by Jordan and Egypt, in the 1948-49 attack on Israel literally hours after its officially sanctioned Statehood, by the League of Nations.

    It is ONLY after 1967, that the above admission to ancient Jewish presence of The Temple Mount by both King Solomon and David, by the Supreme Muslim Council, was deleted in any such Guides, and NOW terribly twisted by the statement in January 2001 by the Mufti of the Palestinian Authority.

    In the bas-relief on the Arch of Titus, errected in Rome 1900 years ago, the Romans themselves memorialized a Jewish connection to the Holy Land, from time immemorial. The Bible, God’s Word, is replete with references to the Temple and to Jews, at the time when Jewish independence in the Holy Land was waning (during Roman times). Again, whenever one looks, one finds evidence of the Jewish connection to the Land, from time immemorial.

    Araft, was an UNABASHED LIAR, and so are his followers and supporters.

    The ancient historical connection of Israel and Jews to this LAND, IS coherently, and logically established, and it CANNOT be refuted, only maligned and viciously DENIED, by by those who are downright intellectually dishonest, and haters of truth.

  9. Terence M. Blackett Avatar
    Terence M. Blackett

    THE TORAH DEMANDS JUSTICE FOR THE PALESTINIANS….

    http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/2767

  10. Terence M. Blackett Avatar
    Terence M. Blackett

    The Israeli Cabinet in the last 2 days have voted to ease “RESTRICTIONS” into GAZA*…

    Whatever that means – it is a move in the right direction…

    A complete lift of the blockade is the only desirable outcome and where ALL* parties involved can come to the table and hash out a deal based on co-existence, mutual respect and a framework which will allow for social and economic development for Palestinian and Israeli alike…

  11. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    @TMB: “A complete lift of the blockade is the only desirable outcome and where ALL* parties involved can come to the table and hash out a deal based on co-existence, mutual respect and a framework which will allow for social and economic development for Palestinian and Israeli alike…

    Amen!!!

  12. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    THE SUMMATION OF FACTS RELATING TO THE ARAB CLAIM:

    Myth # 1: ‘ Arabs have always enjoyed a verdant life in
    Palestine’.

    Myth # 2: ‘Arabs were always an overwhelming majority
    in the country’.

    FACT: All eyewitnesse accounts indicate that Arabs
    ONLY visited the Land. Throughout history,
    the Arab population was ALWAYS a transient
    sort of like ‘Here today, gone tomorrow’. They
    were so few in numbers that no one even
    noticed them.

    Myth # 3: ‘Palestine has always been exclusively Arab
    homeland.’

    FACT: The Word of God, in the Old Testament,
    declares, over and over again, that this LAND
    is the HOMELAND for Jews. The New
    Testament provides amply evidence,
    eyewitness account of Jews of Israel and their
    Temple in Jerusalem. The Koran so declares
    that the Land of Israel is the Jewish
    homeland from the Patriarchs – Abraham,
    Isaac, and Jacob. Throughout the ages, all
    people have also acknowledged this bond.
    Throughout all ages, Arabs have also
    acknowledged this bond. Muslim religious
    and political leaders, as spokesmen for their
    Arab constituents of Palestine, have
    always expressed the FACT that they were
    citizens of another country. No Arab EVER
    called themselves Palestinians (until the mid-
    20th Century. The Arab homeland, was
    ALWAYS elsewhere, from time immemorial.

    Myth # 4: Jerusalem is the third holiest Muslim city.

    FACT: The Koran declares that the Holy Land is the
    Jewish homeland. How could Jerusalem be for
    Arabs, if a Muslim sultan voluntarily gifts the
    the Roman Emperor, Frederick II? How holy
    could Jerusalem be for Arabs IF Jerusalem IS
    NEVER mentioned in the Koran? As a matter of
    FACT, Mohammed stated very explicitely, that
    only Mecca and Medina are cities of religious
    importance for Muslims; Israel is for the Jews.

    Myth # 5: Jews are newcomers to the area.

    Myth # 6: Jerusalem was never a holy city for Jews- let
    alone, a Jewish city.

    Myth # 7: Jews usurped the rights of millions of Arabs
    who were living in the Land in 1948

    FACT: Almighty God designated the Holy Land for
    Jews, and sovereighnly COVANANTED it to
    them more than 3300 years ago, as
    emphatically stated, over and over again in
    His Word, the Bible. From that time forward,
    Jews have lived continuously in this Land.
    Documentation to this effect is even found in
    the official Muslim proclamations, letters, and
    documents; they attest to the age-old Jewish
    connection to the Land and to JERUSALEM.
    Finally, since there was NEVER an
    indigenous Arab population in the Land, and
    since this has always been the Jewish Land,
    Jews usurped the rights of NO ONE!

    Myth # 8: Jews expelled the Arabs from the Land and
    transformed them into poor, homeless
    refugees.

    FACTS: In 1948, Arab organizations and countries,
    prevailed upon most Arabs of Palestine TO
    LEAVE the Land. The resason this was
    done, was, the Arab leaders warned their
    people that INVADING Arab armies would be
    murdering EVERY living person in the Land;
    with Arabs OUT OF THE COUNTRY. Arab
    invaders would THEN feel confident that they
    would be KILLING ONLY JEWS. The Arabs
    of Palestine left VOLUNTARILY, of the
    472, 000 who left, many settled in Arab
    countries, and most pray for the day when
    Arab armies drive the Jews out of Israel.
    Someone should tell the Arabs that they will
    have to wait BEYONG FOREVER, because,
    very soon, the entire world, will understand
    the prophecy of:

    “I WILL plant them upon THEIR LAND, (Israel) and they WILL NEVER again be uprooted from THEIR LAND that I (Almighty God) have GIVEN THEM” ( Amos 9:15) emphasis added.

  13. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    Edom Becomes Larger Symbol:

    Ezekiel fortold that God will judge ALL Edom (referring to all Arabs) for appropriating Israel’s Land. This judgment comes in the LAST DAYS when Almighty God miraculously recalls the Israelites from all the countries where He scattered them. That time is NOW. Hear Almighty God:

    “This is what the SOVEREIGN LORD says: In My burning zeal I have SPOKEN against the REST of nations, and against ALL EDOM, for with glee and with malice in THEIR hearts, they made MY LAND their own possession so that they might plunder its pastureland.” (Ezekiel 17: 14-16) emphasis added.

    God warns Edom (collective name for all Arabs) again about judgment that will FALL at the coming of the Messiah, the Lord Jesus Christ. The reason is clearly given:

    “This is what the LORD says: “For three sins of Edom, even four, I will NOT turn back from My wrath. BECAUSE, he pursued his brother [Israel] with a sword, stifling all compassion, because his anger raged continually and his flamed unchecked, I WILL SEND FIRE upon Teman that will consume the fortresses of Bozrah.” ( Amos 1: 11-12 (NIV) emphasis added.

    Psalm 83 prophetically tells us of the final MADE ATTEMPT by the ancient descendants of Abraham’s other sons to DESTROY ISRAEL. It shows that Edom and Ishmael are linked together and leading the conspiracy to WIPE ISRAEL off the earth. Just look at the list of Israerl’s foes in “the last days”. It reads like a ‘Who’s Who” of their ancient enemies.

    “Do not keep silent, O God! Do not hold Your peace, And do not be still, O God! For behold, Your enemies make a tumult; And those who HATE You have lifted up their head. They have taken crafty counsel AGAINST YOUR PEOPLE, and consulted together against Your sheltered ones. They have said, “Come, and let us CUT them off from BEING A NATION, that the NAME of ISRAEL may be remembered NO MORE.” For they have consulted together with one consent; they form a confederacy AGAINST YOU. The tents of Edom, and the Ishmaelites, Moab and the Hagrites; Gebal, Ammon and Amalek, Philistia with the inhabitants of Tyre; Assyria also joined with them; they have helped the children of Lot…Who said, “Let us take for ourselves the pastures of God for a possession.” (Psalm 83: 1-12 (NKJV) emphasis added.

    Edom and the Ishmaelites are the primary Arab people. The descendants of Moab, the Hagrites, Gebal, Ammon, Amalek and Philistia melted in the mixed group that were asborbed by the Arab culture, and later converted to Islam. Today, these people make up the nation of Jordan, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Oman, and:

    *Tyre is now Lebanon

    *Assyria is modern Syria

    *Persia is modern Iran

    ALL of these people are linked together by their common continuous ENMITY towards Israel.

  14. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    @ Zoe..

    Just like Dictionary, you too have failed to address the topic of the blog and the resulting questions.
    Your pro Israel stance and your refusal to admit to Israeli transgression, simply destroys what little credibility you had to start with.
    Your history lessons are biased and serves no purpose in the discussion, not to mention very misleading. This is to be expected by your ilk though as seen by your contribution to the Haiti thread.
    Christians who care NOTHING about human suffering as long as they could connect it to prophecy or blame it on the victims for not obeying God. Only God know what you would attribute a death in your own family to. You are a piece of work!!

  15. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    The Name ‘Israel’ occurs in 1,695 verses in the Bible, both in the OT, and the NT.

    We’re At War: Islam’s ‘Jihad’ Against the West.

    “Over the rest of this decade, the divide between radical Islam and the industrial democracies will become the most destablizing factor in world affairs”
    (Joseph Courcy, Intelligence Digest, January 24, 1992)

    “The governments of THE WORLD should know that Islam CANNOT be defeated. Islam will be victorious in ALL THE COUNTRIES of the world, and Islam and the teaching of the Koran WILL PREVAIL ALL OVER THE WORLD.” (Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini of Iran) emphasis added.

    The New Peril We Face.

    More than at any time since the Crusades, Islam is posing a serious threat to the Western world. It now possesses the wealth and the weaponary to supplant the Soviet Union as the greatest challenge to the United States, Israel and the Western Judeo-Christian based world order.

    Islamic Fundamentalism, the Real Threat.

    At least 10 percent of the 1.3 billion Muslims are Fundamentalists, this is potential terrorists threats. An intelligence information indicates their percentage is growing. History shows that the devout Muslim Fundamentalists are one of the most lethal threats the world has ever seen.

    Why The Cover Up?

    Just like many throughout the world, likewise, right here on BU, we find commenters, who are GROSSLY ignorant of the historic FACTS, and stupidly, only want to ‘isolate’ the flotilla incident and the human suffering of the Gaza residents, whose plight WAS brought on by the Terrorist entity, HAMAS, and they then throw out the ‘redherring’ that ‘….Christians who care NOTHING about human suffering as long as they could connect it to prophecy….” What UTTER CRAP, HOGWASH!

    These idiots, incapable of any kind of critical though, knowing little or nothing about the historic reality re Israel and the Islamic Arabs, who tortured, and KILLED untold numbers of Jews in Arab countries, and the Jews living in Arab countries for hundreds of years, prior to the modern State of Israel (1948) were terrorized, murdered, and DRIVEN OUT. Their properties and assets were confiscated. Those who escaped were thankful just to be alive, and return to their ancient homeland, in 1948 and following.

    Whereas, the Arabs,so- called Palestinians, were DELIBERATELY forced into refugee camps, NOT by the Jews, but by their own Arab brothers, (i.e., Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia) and NOT permitted to integrate into the society of their UNWILLING hosts, even though they were fellow MUSLIMS. They didn’t even try to help them; instead, they prevailed upon the United Nations to supply the refugees’ needs. Kept in these camps by their OWN people for more than fifty years, they are USED as political pawns so Muslim negotiators can continue to trup up charges of “Israeli aggression” nasty, vicious, LIES, Arab ‘Turnspeak’ wicked inversion of the FACTS.

    The human suffering in Gaza, IS A DIRECT result of HAMAS, that wicked, evil, TERRORIST entity, who caused terrible human suffering on innocent Israel people, for the last three years, by launching over 8,000 rockets into Israel, not to mention the numerous suicide-bombers who have killed many innocent women, men, and children, and the continued AGENDA, by Hamas et al, to WIPE Israel off the earth, can anyone imagine the deep emotional anxiety and trauma, that Jews, Arabs, and others, who live in Israel, go through with this CONSTANT THREAT of annihilation hanging over their heads.

    Also, hundreds, if not thousands of Palestinians, children, men and women, are lovinging treated in Israeli Hospitals, on a regular day to day basis, and there IS a testimony by an Arab, Muslim women, who was recently treated by Israeli doctors, and said, ”….the TRUTH about the kindness of the Jews….is NOT being told…”

    It was recently said by a journalist, who visited Gaza, that he went to many different places, all over the towns, and that this ‘SUFFERING’ is nothing but Arab propaganda, that the stores are filled with everything that’s needed, lovely resturants with the best of food, etc, etc.

    And, BTW, talk about human suffering and grief. What about the nearly 26,000 Jewish casualities from 1993 and the ensuing 12 years? All inflicted by vicious ARAB Terrorists on Jews in their own homeland?

    It is simply not possible to dialogue with emotional rant, laced with redherrings, and personal ad hominem attacks, who are utterly unable to THINK critically.

  16. Crusoe Avatar
    Crusoe

    Now, being ‘devil’s advocate’ (probably create a stir by that phrase) here…

    Zoe says ‘More than at any time since the Crusades

    >>> Have the crusades actually stopped, I note that there are now claims that Afghanistan has trillions of dollars in mineral wealth…coincidence???

    Islam is posing a serious threat to the Western world. It now possesses the wealth and the weaponary to supplant the Soviet Union

    >>>Nonsense, if anyone has supplanted the USSR, it is China. the Arab nations are WAY, WAY behind and in any case the USSR has ‘Putin’, lol!!! Note that I use the ‘USSR’ abbreviation deliberately.

    as the greatest challenge to the United States, Israel and the Western Judeo-Christian based world order

    >> So, what is ‘world order’ referring to? Where is it written that any particular order has precedence? Why should we fight, surely many ‘orders’ may exist?

    If I want to be a ‘living in the wild hippie’ worshipping the Sun god, who has a right to tell me otherwise? Supposing Sun god worshippers become widespread and become the predominant ‘culture’?

    Do you take issue with that?

    Just to clarify, I do believe in God, even if you do not see my belief as being of ‘you’re’ God.

    That does not make me wrong, nor you right.

  17. David Avatar
    David

    @Crusoe

    Brilliant!

    This blog of all so far demonstrates why there will NEVER be a resolution to the Arab Israeli conflict.

    We have positions which are hardened beyond hard for reasons exemplified in the blog.

  18. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    @David: “We have positions which are hardened beyond hard for reasons exemplified in the blog.

    And you like it hard…

    Don’t you, big boy….

  19. John Dobbie Avatar
    John Dobbie

    Methinks that CH has either been imbibing or has been affected by the writings and inferences of one Bonny Peppa.

    He has gone on quite a tangent. Is wifey away or something?

    Man suffering from ‘ESB’…excessive ….buildup.

  20. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    D,

    “You have proved yourself unable or unwilling to actually address matters on the merits”

    D, when you make a post like that it causes “onlookers” to be concerned about your mental health.

    Seriously.

    It is has been painfully obvious to “onlookers” that there been several challenges made to you and you have failed, and failed miserably to meet any of them.

    Moreover, you have accused those have have engaged you of “false allegations” but failed completely to detail any of them.

    Worst of all, you come to this blog and complain immediately of hostility while doing more than your share by labeling fellow bloggers and hurling insults. Such abuse has not even been limited to bloggers as you have to taken several opportunities to hurl sly underhand remarks to David himself.

    Your charge of antisemitism to me and those you have engaged you falls flat.

    +++

    “All I will further say to you is that when your side tries to cite UN Committees on human rights……….”

    I quoted from a lot more sources than a UN committee.

    But you knew that I am sure.

    Now D,

    I am on the side that thinks it quite immoral that 9 people should have died (riddled with 30 bullets) over a ship load of cement.

    I am on the side that thinks the “open air prison” that is Gaza is an inhumane way to treat people.

    I am on the same side ICRC (Red Cross) who calls the blockade illegal.

    Which side are you on?

  21. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    ISLAM: Religious-Cultural Imperialism.

    Islam is nothing less than a religious-cultural imperialism, that works to TAKE OVER THE WORLD. This is why Mohammad divided the earth into two spheres:

    *Dar al-Islam – the land of peace.

    *Dar al-harb – the land of WAR.

    Muhammad believed, as do radical Islamists TODAY, whose numbers are growing rapidly throughout the world, that the Muslim is in a perpetual state of *Jihad* – ‘holy war’ with ALL countries in the Dar al-harb sphere. The true follower believes that Allah has willed for Muslims to ESTABLISH Islamic ways over the whole world; either by conversion, or SWORD.

    Islam believes this doctrine IS especially applicable to the Middle East, which they claim as the center of their world. They contend that any land captured and held by Muslim forces in the past is sacred. BUT, their MYTHS built around Jerusalem and Palestine, make it second only to Mecca and Medina as a most holy place.

    When the Jews, after 2000 years of dispersion throughout the world, were finally given back their ancient homeland, as repeatedly prophecied in the Word of God, the Bible, and the Jews, declared soverignty over this LAND in 1948, it was considered “Al Nabka” – a catastrophe; which is viewed by Muslims as the ultimate blasphemy to Islam, a descration of the “Third Holiest Place to Islam,” and an insult to Allah that must be cleansed.

    Israel’s victories over the “armies of Allah” in five wars, have placed the Koran in jeopardy, for it promises the forces of Islam victory in “holy wars,” Devout Muslims fervently believe this is something that must be rectified. Nothing can remove this insult to Allah, but a final military defeat of Israel

    This is why Muslim forces fought European Crusaders for three centuries over “the Holy Land.” But now that the Jew has finally returned to his ancient homeland, Islamic’s ancient ENMITY toward them has made this an intolerable insult. They point to Israel as “a cancer in the heart of Islam that must be removed.”

    Western Civilization just DOES NOT understand this basic Islamic ideology. Western media particularly DON’T HAVE A CLUE as to what motivates the Muslim, or what strategies he will USE to FULFILL his duty to Allah. This is why they swallow MUSLIM PROPAGANDA ‘hook, line and sinker.’

    This is why the modern Arab *MYTHS* spun about “legitimate rights of the Palestinian refugees’ and “Israel’s occupation of Palestinian territory” are BASED on monstrous DISTORTIONS of history.

    As Mohammad said, “War is deception.” He set the example for negotiating peace with any enemy UNTIL you are strong enough to *annihilate* him. It is called “the Quraysh Model.” This was the ten-year treaty Mohammad signed with the Quraysh tribe of Mecca, which within a year he broke by destroying them. This is how he conquered Mecca and made it the holiest site in Islam, through treachery.

    This very tool of utter deception that Mohammad used, is EXACTLY the same ‘tool’ used by Arafat, make some kind of so-called ‘road-map to peace’ the ‘peace process’ UNTIL you are strong enough to ANNIHILATE Israel.

    And, no matter what Abbas said in recent days, about making peace with Israel, to Obama, he is a LIAR, no different to Arafat.

    It is our duty to impliment the principles of Yasir Arafat.

    This was a change without a change,TRUE to the PLO colors, the night following Abbas election in January 2005. Abbas publictly PROCLAIMED that he would INTENSIFY the WAR against Israel:

    “The little JIHAD [under Arafat] had ended, and NOW the big JIHAD is beginning.” But, everyone wants to ignore, or forget these types of remarks and Israel is pressured to give UP MORE AND MORE land, not for peace, but only as confidence building measures, to show the “Palestinian” people that their leader is able to gain MORE and MORE territory, for them with ‘no strings attached’, so that Israel will be whittled down by him, little by little; according to the doctrine of the PLO Phased Plan. And four months later in a televised speech, on the occasion of Israel’s Independence Day, Abbas, this so-called, “moderate” leader described the 1948 creation of the State of Israel as an unprecedented historic crime and VOWED his unwavering refusal to EVER “accept this injustice.”

    Hear Abbas:

    “We will celebrate once we REACH OUR GOALS and establish a Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital…Jerusalem is closer than ever. We PROMISE you, Arafat…will will continue to follow your path and carry out your promise that Palestinian girls and boys will wave the Palestinian flag above the walls of Jerusalem, its mosques and churches. We will continue until victory…Our forces…are ready to FREE the ENTIRE homeland [Israel].”

    And, Western media, and its political leaders, continue to fall for this TRAP, utter LIES and blatant DECEPTION, of which the Arabs are Past-Masters, whose sole intent and agenda, once they get close enough to the ‘heart’ of Israel, and with enough military might, will ATTEMPT once again, to ANNIHILATE Israel and all Jews.

    BUT, it CAN’T happen, will NEVER happen, as when the evidence can NO longer be purposely ignored or misinterpreted, or DENIED, the nations of the world will be forced to publicly admit, that they had been ‘lying through their teeth, about Muslims, throughout the world, inculding the Middle East.

    And, as Almighty God, the ONE who gave this LAND to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and their descendants, as an EVERLATING POSSESSION, states:

    “Finally, they will be disgraced, ALL of them who are against you…[Israel). (Isaiah 41:11).

    Literally: “All who were angry with you shall be disgraced and humiliated; they who struggle with you, shall become as nothing and shall perish.”

  22. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    @ Zoe…

    Does Israel do anything wrong?

  23. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    Zoe rants…’BUT, it CAN’T happen, will NEVER happen, as when the evidence can NO longer be purposely ignored or misinterpreted, or DENIED, the nations of the world will be forced to publicly admit, that they had been ‘lying through their teeth, about Muslims, throughout the world, inculding the Middle East.

    What a tirade!!
    If this is not anti Muslim, I don’t know what is. This clearly shows Zoe for what he truly is!!
    His issue is not Israel and the ME, this guy hates Muslims altogether…period!!
    For a man who has been a religious nomad (by his own admission on this blog) for the better part of his life, we can clearly see the confusion, poor soul, being at the self created crossroads in life can send even the strongest of us, a bit crazy!!

  24. Dictionary Avatar
    Dictionary

    Onlookers:L

    Re: Technician: >> . . . like Dictionary, you too have failed to address the topic of the blog and the resulting questions. >>

    Bald faced, willful, irresponsible and damaging falsehood in the teeth of easily accessible truth.

    In short, willful, libellous falsehood.

    I took time to answer the issue of this blog, linking my own blog’s June 1st post, updated as more videos came in — I just used up the allowance of links per comment, set on request of those who in previous months objected to my linking documentation for my claims, onlookers [part of why this blog is no longer a serious forum for discussion issues] — with no less than now eight videos of undeniable facts; facts that those who trumpet the mantra of antisemitic agit-prop above are evading. In a following post, I took time to analyse and address the rhetorical problems and agendas that lie at the root of what happened in this case.

    I also took time to show the context, including how it is quite evident that the reason this happened at this time is that Mr Abbas was preparing what was obviously a very carefully developed presentaito0n at the Brookings Institution on the basis for a reasonable compromise solution to settle Arab and Israeli differences. But, as has ALWAYS happened since 1920 [cf my previously linked balancing survey on the modern history of Israel ], more violent voices have yet again prevailed, as usual from the Arab side. (Most recently, in 2000, when Arafat walked away from the best compromise deal that Arabs could reasonably hope for, to wage what has now been a decade of terrorist war.)

    And, on the wider issue of the barrage of myths and worse put forth as as “questions” and assertions driven by decaders of militant agit prop in support of an ongoing agenda to wipe out the Jews of the Holy Land [cf the documented remarks of Iran’s leadership, and from the Hamas covenant, clause 7 above, etc etc], I took time to point out sources which address such at — quite literally –book length.

    What has happened in this thread is that myths and false accusationsare being substituted for facts by those unwilling to examine and respond to corrective facts.

    Then, outright lies and slanders are being used to smear those who dared to correct Especially when our backs are turned. As T just tried on me: accusing Zoe on the premise of a “proved” fact on the undersigned. but in fact both Zoe and I have addressed issues on the merits, and in considerable details.

    Technician is joining in the pattern of irresponsible rhetorical misbehaviour that is turning BU into a willful echo chamber of lies, myths, misinformation, false accusation and hostility.

    Which is why I have left BU.

    Good day

    D

  25. Dictionary Avatar
    Dictionary

    PS 1: Link to my discussion of the drowned out Abbas compromise offer.

  26. Dictionary Avatar
    Dictionary

    PS 2: Link to my discussion of the irresponsible rhetorical tactics that are being used to poison the atmosphere at Bu and far beyond BU.

  27. Dictionary Avatar
    Dictionary

    PS 3: Link again to a June 11, 5:01 AM comment above where I linked corrective information on myths vs facts etc. Onlookers, note how, consistently, this information has not been addressed cogently by those propagating irresponsible falsehoods, but has instead been repeatedly ignored and buried under an avalanche of reiteration of corrected falsehoods. Wilson, in his utterly dishonest “Arte of Rhetorique,” pointed out centuries ago, that the most effective tactic for addressing inconvenient facts is to pretend that it does not exist, if you can get away with it.

    PS4: And, again I cited Abbas for the vital reason that he not only has offered a compromise but has grounded it by acknowledging the historic roots of the Jewish people in Israel. That is, as I have repeatedly pointed out, BOTH Jews and Arabs (among others) have legitimate claims, and should reasonably settle them by compromise. But, there is an underlying too often violent agenda of Islamist, Mahdist and Arabist supremacism that have undermined every attempt at reasonable compromise since the Weizmann-Feisal Hussein Versailles side-agreement of 1919. In this case, the timing of the Marmara incident is far too suggestive, given the history and given the connexions of those involved in instigating it from the Turkish-Arab and Western activist sides. [In short, we need to look beyond trhe headlines to see what is really going on.]

    PS 5: Onlookers, finally, on long experience, I have learned that if a commenter is unwilling to acknowledge this basic fact of the legitimacy of a Jewish claim to rootedness in the Holy Land, then s/he is unable to understand or reasonably address the ME situation. And that is a lot of what is driving what is happening above. Zoe is thus dead right to point out how the Waqf, for a decade has been assiduously seeking to destroy the clear archeological evidence of the history of Temple Mount, in the spiritual heart of Jerusalem. But then, precisely through the hard hearted willful suppression of truth and reasonable compromise, Psalm 83 is being fulfilled before our eyes, as is Ezekiel 35 – 39. Not to mention Rom 1.

  28. Avatar
    Anonymous

    Dictionary:

    You, sir, are delusional.

    We on this blog are not asking for the multi-links as listed, we regard them as useless diversionary propaganda.

    We do not want myths, only facts.

    Where is your evidence that the President of Iran has consistently called for genocide.

    Given your obvious inability to provide any, I personally think you have none, and thus unfortunately I have to say all your contributions to the blog are similarly contrived, and should be disregarded as the ramblings of a useful idiot.

    Your oft promised departure from this thread would be most welcome, from both sides of the debate, as it needs no lies to muddy the waters of a serous discussion
    about a situation which seriously affects world peace.

    If Iran is attacked the whole world will be affected ,,,,,, and it won’t be for the better.

  29. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    @ Dictionary….

    When you called me a Jihadi, was that not slander?

    When you called me a world traveller, was that not slander?

    You should be the last to speak of slander as both you and Zoe have dne it.
    I don’t give 2 hoots about you personally, whether yoi live or die is of no consequence to me. What I am concerned about is the position people like you hold in society and the way you and your ilk try continuously to manipulate the minds of the weak, into believing your dogma. When those who see you for what you are have to speak out, we are labelled. This is an old familiar pattern which has become useless in the modern world.
    If you are leaving BU, then just go. You have your own blog, so discuss it there. Funny that I don’t see you brothers posting on your blog..lol.
    You Dick, are a pompous, arrogant fool who thinks you can bully people because you might be well read and learned. Maybe if you had an ounce of humility and a dose of honesty, rather than an abundance of religious bias to support prophecy,maybe, then, you would SEEM a bit more credible.
    So run along now, sulking with your tail between your legs and take your sidekick Zoe with you, for if BU is such a horrible place, I don’t see why people like you and Zoe are so addicted to it.

  30. Avatar
    Anonymous

    I had a dream last night.

    There was a bright light backed by the sounds of lilting harps.

    The sense of peace was all pervasive, almost touchable.

    A heavenly voice then commanded ” Do unto others as you would have done unto you”

    In my slumber I mouthed ” but what about the Palestinians, my lord?”

    To which the deity replied ” You not listening to me, cloth ears”

    Then I awoke all of ashiver.

    Should I write this down and bury it in a pot for eschatologists to dissect in 3000 years time, should I post it on this blog anonymously, or discuss it with my GP and risk committal to Jenkins.

    So many decisions for a would-be prophet to make.

  31. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    “Ignorance, when voluntary, is criminal”
    -Samuel Johnson

    “There is NO MORE terrible sight than ignorance in action”
    -Goethe

    “Ignorance has something to be said for it. It gives rise to about nine-tenths of the WORLDS CONVERSATIONAL OUTPUT”

    Technician, you ARE the living personification of the above; reaffirmed over and over again, in your utterly, EMPTY headed, voidless, lies, slander, and resolute inability to make any statement based of the slightest of credible facts or truth.

    Credible, warranted truth, historical evidence, re Israel and its vicious enemies, are ALL well documented, some of which have been posted here on BU, and you, Technician, et al of your ignorant ilk, have NOT offered one single cogent, coherent, statement, any IDIOT, like you, even a child, could easily scribble, the void, EMPTY, vacant, vacuous, destitute, denuded, nonsense thay you scribble, it takes NO intelligence or knowledge whatsoever, to write the BS that comes from you.

    Carry on smartly, in the cavity of your slanderous ignorance.

  32. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    D says…’PS 5: Onlookers, finally, on long experience, I have learned that if a commenter is unwilling to acknowledge this basic fact of the legitimacy of a Jewish claim to rootedness in the Holy Land, then s/he is unable to understand or reasonably address the ME situation. And that is a lot of what is driving what is happening above.’

    What the hell does that have to do with the IDF refusing to provide medical treatment to civilians( were they proven to be terrorists, the survivors would not have been released)who were shot multiple times.

    What the hell does that have to do with the shooting deaths(execution style) of Turkish citizens on a civilian ship oin international waters?

    What the hell does that have to do with the illegal blockade and the continued collective punishment of innocent Palestinian civilians?

    By this logic, not knowing history disqualifies you from knowing right from wrong morally . What brilliant logic!!
    I guess one who is/was not familiar with history should see nothing wrong with slavery,segregation or servitude.
    Then again, all these atrocities were perpetrated under the guise of Religion and the interpretation of God’s word,the Bible.

  33. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    @ Zoe…

    Finally you have the testicular fortitude to adress me directly …wow.

    You rant..’Just like many throughout the world, likewise, right here on BU, we find commenters, who are GROSSLY ignorant of the historic FACTS, and stupidly, only want to ‘isolate’ the flotilla incident and the human suffering of the Gaza residents, whose plight WAS brought on by the Terrorist entity, HAMAS, and they then throw out the ‘redherring’ that ‘….Christians who care NOTHING about human suffering as long as they could connect it to prophecy….” What UTTER CRAP, HOGWASH!
    Where was your concern for the Haitian people,as a Christian, in their time of need and suffering?
    You quote the number of Israeli casualties but as usual, refuse to acknowledge, that in the same situation, the number of Palestinian casualties are dis proportionally higher.
    You can call me what you choose, talk is cheap but YOUR record as a CHRISTIAN, concerned with human suffering is here for all to see.
    You are a religious nomad, currently drinking from the Evangelical pool, until you move on in your meandering life of religious dogmas.
    I have and will continue to carry on smartly but in the spirit of morality and justice, that is not hindered by the blinkers of religion and prophecy.

  34. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    @ Technician, Your contemptuous ARROGANCE is exceeded only by your IGNORANCE.

    If any man be IGNORANT, let him to IGNORANT!

    So it be with YOU!

  35. David Avatar
    David

    Yet again Dictionary emails BU with the accusation of facilitating anti-Semitism. This time he copies WordPress.

  36. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    @ Zoe..

    My ignorance in Biblical matters is by CHOICE!!
    It is otherwise called free thinking. I will not allow religious dogmas, beliefs or prophecy to blind me to the injustices and atrocities been perpetrated by those under the guise of Christianity. If that is ignorance and arrogance then I stand guilty as charged.
    My views on this world and the events going on are not fuelled by religious dogma or religious ideas. I am not waiting for any prophecy to be fulfilled,that is your job.
    I am a network technician with a small business, where my goal is to provide for me and my family, while giving gainful employment to a few less fortunate and in turn train them that they too can achieve something.
    All you do is insult an label those who don’t agree with you.
    Like I said before Zoe..talk is cheap!!
    You are still in my opinion, a religious nomad. Check back in 2 years, let’s see where your meandering journey takes you and whose dogma you will attach yourself to like the parasite you are.

    @ David..
    What did you expect? Are you entirely surprised?
    When Dick can accuse BU of anti semitism and also copy it to WordPress, what does that tell you about his mentality?

  37. David Avatar
    David

    @Techie

    @ David..
    What did you expect? Are you entirely surprised?
    When Dick can accuse BU of anti semitism and also copy it to WordPress, what does that tell you about his mentality?

    Have to admit we find his report to WordPress to be a little extreme. One can only conclude that he his anti-freedom of expression. It seems the non-Barbadians are doing their best to shut BU down. We have the Canadians connected to the Nelson matter who have tried. Now we have another* Jamaican.

    In response the BU household say this to Dictionary et al, the more you put BU to the fire the stronger it will become. When the reason for doing something, anything is rooted in what is just there is no stopping its success.

  38. Dictionary Avatar
    Dictionary

    David of BU:

    Sigh . . .

    Let us go up to comment no 1 this very thread:

    Carson C. Cadogan // May 31, 2010 at 7:16 PM, [top of this thread]

    The murderous Israelis strike again. When is America going to rein these JEWISH killers? [clarifying emphasis added]

    Notice that ever so telling rhetorical move from “murderous Israelis” — itself dubious on the evidence — to “JEWISH killers” (a racially loaded libel)?

    This demonstrates plainly for all to see (and I suspect WordPress is now watching), a capital example of how in the name of objection to an asserted Israeli atrocity — and the evidence from videotapes etc is not in support of the unprovoked, murderous atrocity claim that has been trumpeted to the world by biased media; but instead supports that we had violent knowing willful blockade breakers who assaulted soldiers enforcing a legitimate act of war at sea, with plainly lethal force — we have an inference to a blood libel assertion about JEWS.

    Blood libels like this, David, are a longstanding tactic of those who hate and wish ill to Jews.

    Nowhere above do we see signs that this is corrected, or retracted or repudiated or removed; it is there for us all to inspect as THE VERY FIRST COMMENT.

    (And in my remarks to you, ccd WordPress, I spoke to this specific comment, David. If your blog is hosting uncorrected blood libels against Jews as a race, as this comment plainly is, then your blog is enabling antisemitism, period. Similarly Hopi’s call to arson against churches has been there for months upon months, David. And there are many many other remarks by frequent commenters like that that have stood uncorrected and unrestrained by you the blog owner, for a very long time. Not to mention the trifecta pattern of distraction distortion and denigration, including the last straw false accusation by Technician above that i evaded answering tot he focal issue of the blog and evaded answering to the many “questions” raised.. Enough is enough. Your commenters and now you by enabling and tolerating them in their misbehaviour have gone too far.)

    I trust you can explain yourself adequately to WordPress, given comments like the one in no 1 this thread, and many others as the WP investigators run down the thread and others.

    As for me, as I said earlier today, your right to swing your arm ends where my nose begins, and your right to speak your mind ends where defamation, false accusation and calls to hate — the first step to murder, David — begin.

    This is a serious matter, and BU needs to wake up and look itself in the mirror.

    As for just reiterated myths and worse, I have already directed commenters to where they can find corrections.

    In fact, on the libel that Israelis refuse medical treatment to Palestinian Arabs, the easily confirmed truth is that many, many Palestinian Arabs are routinely treated in Israeli hospitals, not just civilians but wounded fighters; as is normal for Western countries. As can easily be checked. And so on and so forth, at book length. As long since linked, if commenters like that cared for the truth instead of to sow pernicious misinformation to stir up hostility and rage congealing into hate.

    Hate for not just Israelis, abut as Mr Cadogan shows, hate for JEWS. Antisemitism in one word.

    Good day, sirs

    Dictionary

  39. Avatar
    Anonymous

    Please post your evidence, you are a proven liar.

    Ahmedinejad consistently calls for genocide.

  40. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    So when you Dictionary called Technician a Jihadi, what was that called, slander,libel? You don’t even know me.
    You Dictionary are a hypocritical liar!!
    As soon as anyone in the world have to speak out on any wrong doings by Jewish people, they are labelled as anti semitic.

  41. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    D says…’In fact, on the libel that Israelis refuse medical treatment to Palestinian Arabs, the easily confirmed truth is that many, many Palestinian Arabs are routinely treated in Israeli hospitals, not just civilians but wounded fighters; as is normal for Western countries. As can easily be checked. And so on and so forth, at book length. As long since linked, if commenters like that cared for the truth instead of to sow pernicious misinformation to stir up hostility and rage congealing into hate.’

    Eye witness accounts on board the ship said that the IDF refused medical treatment to the wounded.
    Here D comes with a straw man to mislead others(who are stupid enough)into believing that the comment is referring to everyday occurrences in the ME. The comment was made in reference to the flotilla incident.
    Who is being deceitful here?
    Who is misleading here?
    Stupse!! For shame!!
    You should be ashamed to complain about BU. You come on threads and monopolise it with numerous links back to your own blog under the guise of correcting onlookers.
    David has been more than accommodating to you,even with your condescending attitude towards him at times.
    Shame on you!!

  42. Dictionary Avatar
    Dictionary

    Technician,

    You know or full well ought to, that I pointed out on your behaviour — and with considerable evidence — that you seemed to be either a jihadist or a fellow traveller; which often happens with the sort of fashionable leftists, secularists and neopagans found involved with the recent flotilla, at the extreme end.

    Spouting or supporting jihadist agit-prop as if it were the gospel truth, in the teeth of easily accessible correction, counts [though not quite at the level of voluntarily providing human shields for attempted breaking of a blockade meant to stop a campaign of firing thousands of rockets at civilian cities, on the pretence of a humanitarian CRISIS that on evidence, is not so — hardship is not to be equated to starvation].

    Not being able to respond on the merits tot he antisemitism that is evident in this thread form its very first comment, , you are resorting to the time-worn distractive fallacy of obfuscation of an issue through attempted assertion of immoral equivalency.

    SORRY, IT’S NOT GOING TO WORK. NOT THIS TIME.

    And the onward willfulness and distraction attempts simply underscore the antisemitism, WordPress. Observe that the response has been to try to shoot the messenger, not to deal with the problem. Compounding, stubborn insistence on wrong.

    D

  43. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    Dictionary, you and Zoe are jokers and bullies.
    The only truth here seems to be what you and Zoe says. No one else can have another opinion or view. It has to be your way or not at all. It is the ‘gospel’ according to you. ROFLMFAO!!
    IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN GORDON!!
    Get a life and a grip, this is not your class room, neither is it your home.

    BTW..thought you left BU, have you no shame?
    That’s what pride and a huge ego does to you, you just can’t help..LMFAO!!
    Big ego Dick, can’t stay away from the very blog he complains about…for shame!!

  44. Avatar
    Anonymous

    It is contemptible that Dictionary should pull out that old canard of calling those critics of Israel’s treatment of Palestinians, antisemitic. Dictionary has suggested that evil and malice towards others is characteristic of Muslims to a significantly higher degree than that which exists in other groups. He has come to this conclusion based on his interpretation of the Qur’an. Consequently he has even called for special and intense surveillance of Muslim citizens in the Caribbean. Dictionary is thus guilty of preaching hate towards Muslims in Caribbean. BU has allowed all views to be posted. It is thus dishonest in the extreme to suggest that BU is anti-Jewish when it can be clearly shown that the posts of at least two persons which are completely supportive of Israel have been posted without censor or obstruction. It is conclusive that Dictionary is a dishonest person and in my inexpert judgment possibly an emotionally unbalanced person as well. It is my belief that given Dictionary’s unwillingness to keep his promise to remove himself from BU that the editor should make an honest man out of Dictionary by banning him from this blog.

    By the way, being a “secularist” or a “leftist” is neither a crime nor a wicked act. It is actually the position of many rational human beings who have advanced the cause of a democratic, equitable and sustainable society. I have no idea what is a “neopagan” .

  45. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    Lol @ neopagan Anon.
    I am trying to find out too.
    Technician has so many labels now, I can’t keep count lol.

  46. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    @Technician: “Technician has so many labels now, I can’t keep count lol.

    This means you’re doing something which some others don’t like…

    Keep doing it….

  47. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    @ Technician

    Have you contemplated the possible consequences of your meeting the BU trinity on a dark night in the park? IMHO those three would crucify your electric behind – and they would do in God’s name and ‘for the good of mankind’ – and for good measure they would probably hang Terence and Bonny Peppa on your right and left hands respectively….. LOL ( fortunately, the bushman back in their good books, so I may be called on to give you a little juck with a spear or something rotfl)

    Just goes to show how things went with Jesus.
    All the man did was to ask a few simple questions(like you do) of the then ‘know it all’ Scribes and Pharisees.
    Having no sensible answers for you, rather than recognize the shortcomings of their own knowledge and open themselves to listen, learn and upgrade their learning, they prefer insult, put down, and IMHO, (given a chance,) to have you ‘put away’
    .
    Is it not ironic that it is always some religious nutcase who wants to solve problems by aggression and conflict? …to the point of war, murder and crusades….

    ….seems like – as were the scribes and Pharisees
    so are the Jews and Israelis
    …and now too, is the BU trinity….

  48. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    “[part of why this blog is no longer a serious forum for discussion issues]”

    So why are you here?

    Perhaps you are not serious.

    Just parody.

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    Not Saved

    David,

    Presumably Dictionary also reported BU to WordPress for this comment…

    Zoe // June 10, 2010 at 9:35 AM

    Muslims have murdered MILLIONS and MILLIONS of non-Muslims in just the last two decades of the 20th Century. ………………… Muslims are responsible for most HATE-DRIVEN violence in the world

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    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/give-them-an-inquiry-1.297139

    Some excerpts…….

    “True, Israel is the one that imposed the siege and jailed 1.5 million civilians in a prison into which it threw food and medicine, following a very orderly list and in line with the number of calories each person needs to survive.

    Everyone watched, heard and remained silent – the Turkish prime minister and president, who until Operation Cast Lead did not really raise their voices, two American presidents, two UN secretaries-general, and European heads of state. In other words, they spoke endlessly, initiated resolutions, tried to mediate, but in the end raised their hands in surrender. After all, it is an internal Israeli-Palestinian matter that does not really pose a threat to world peace. A million and a half jailed Palestinians? It’s Hamas’ fault, not Israel’s. ”

    +++

    “An international inquiry into the foolishness of Israel’s policy is unnecessary. There is no need to busy the world with something that is obvious and needs no proof.”

    +++

    “An international inquiry should have a different mandate: to look into how Israel managed to sell its destructive policy to the countries of the world, how they agreed to the jailing of 1.5 million people without a UN resolution. “

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