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Not since the days of the Gladston Holder columns in the Barbados media have Barbadians been kept abreast of the occurrences which involve the Council for Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission or even the Bilderberg family influence on world politics. Barbadians, including the media appear to be very comfortable ferreting world news from CNN and the BBC.

BU like millions around the world have been enthralled by the new entrant to the White House. President Barack Obama is without question a departure from the old guard. Some say any perceive change should only be taken as token. Many of the appointments in the Obama government represent prominent individuals who have worked in Washington in the recent past and are regarded as part of the status quo. For example, there is the influential position of Secretary of the Treasury Tim Geithner, the former head of the Federal Reserve of New York. How can Geithner be responsible for changing Wall Street when he is a product of the system?

The video above is one hour and 53 minutes long and paints an intriguing picture of Obama and the shadow government which runs the US government. While BU is inclined to ask questions we are not sure we fully buy in to the positions expressed in the video.

What do you think?

Thanks to BU family member Hopi!

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725 responses to “The Obama Deception Video, Deceiver Or Saviour?”

  1. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    I can find science statements in Moby Dick too….

    Does that mean it was written by a god?

  2. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Margaret
    The twit that is always harping about these ancient peoples seems ignorant of the fact that Bible scholars and theologians read up this sort of information ONLY as background information concerning the manners and customs of the time to help us understand the text of books such as Daniel, Esther, Nehemiah, Ezra and the rule of the Persians over the Jews as described in these books.

    For example, why would Nehemiah be fearful to be found sad in the kings presence? Why could the law of the Medes and Persians no be altered.

    However, when studying the Bible it is important to ensure that you separate the ESSENTIALS from the incidentals, and that you keep the main thing , the main thing!

    In some of this background literature the authors remind us of the artistic, literary, scientific, architectural and religious contributions made by ancient civilizations, and that the study of the ancient Near East is the study of the roots of Western Civilization. In attempting to prove this point the authors refer to information revealed from the studies of Egyptology, cuneiform literature, Ugaritic literature, Caanite and Phoenician alphabets, Hieratic hieroglyphs, and the various other features of archaeological discoveries such as pottery, ostraca, inscriptions on stone, papyrus, leather, Egyptian models, seal cylinders, coins. In addition they refer to languages and linguistic alliance, philology, the art of stratigraphy, motif studies, and handling materials by type and the interrelation of these findings and artifacts and techniques such as comparing texts with art objects in the attempt to practice controlled history in the quest to put the facts assembled in their proper perspective.

    All of this information is great for the intellect and sensibilities, but it is not the main thing to be grasped if you chose the Bible as your sole authority for faith and practice.

    However, for interpretation of the Biblical texts stick Cooper’s “Golden Rule of Interpretation” which says: “When the plain sense of Scripture makes common sense, seek no other sense; therefore take every word at its primary, ordinary, usual, literal meaning unless the facts of the context indicate clearly otherwise.

    Never detach a passage from its context, but always study it carefully in the light of its setting.”

    Avoid every effort to deviate from common accepted interpretation of the Bible or force upon the Scriptures a meaning that is strained and unnatural, or else you will see the Lord landing on Sinai in a rocketship, and Jonah escaping in a submarine, and other such fanciful, fabulous, fictitious myths.

  3. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Not Saved

    Anonymous, has in my view correctly interpreted the phrase 9 times repeated in Genesis 1 as DNA, or having to do with DNA.

    If the phrase “After its Kind” does not mean DNA, then tell me what does it mean?

    Read the chapter again and see what the phrase “After its Kind” refers to. Does it not refer to the fact that plant and animal life reproduce its kind? Tell me man, what must happen for an animal or plant to reproduce its kind?

    The parent must pass its genome or genotype to the offspring. How is this now known to be achieved at the cellular and submicroscopic level man? Is it not by transfer of DNA by the processes of DNA REPLICATION, TRANSCRIPTION AND TRANSLATION! This is now quite basic stuff Not Saved.

    Now when Genesis was given to Moses, no one knew about DNA REPLICATION, TRANSCRIPTION AND TRANSLATION, so Moses wrote down “after its kind.”

    Anonymous might be cutting and pasting as Hopi says, but I can assure you I know what I am talking about. Perhaps if you read these links, it might make more sense.

    http://cnx.org/content/m11415/latest/
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_dogma_of_molecular_biology
    http://www.cbs.dtu.dk/staff/dave/DNA_CenDog.html

    By the way discovery is revelation! Revelation is discovery! If you discover that your wife horning you, I suggest to you that would be a REVELATION. What might have previously been concealed would now be REVEALED OR DISCOVERED.

    No one knew about DNA before 1954 when truths about DNA were discovered or revealed to man by God. Why didn’t man get it before? Why didn’t the guys in the Koran or the Muslims scholars or the Sumerians tell us about DNA, or atomic fission or fusion, or the structure of the atom etc?

    Not Saved we know that God didn’t write Moby Dick, so why descend to that degree of illogic and irrelevance.

    If you don’t believe the Bible, OK; but don’t try to tell me that I don’t understand it. If the Bible had said after the processes of DNA REPLICATION, TRANSCRIPTION AND TRANSLATION, it would have been be out of date by being far beyond its time. By saying “After its Kind” it said what it wanted to say perfectly, for all time. Certainly the interpretation that “After its Kind” refers to the processes of DNA REPLICATION, TRANSCRIPTION AND TRANSLATION makes more sense than Jonah escaping in a submarine!

  4. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    GP writes :

    “If the Bible had said after the processes of DNA REPLICATION, TRANSCRIPTION AND TRANSLATION, it would have been be out of date by being far beyond its time.”

    Agreed.

    That would indicate it had a supernatural author, but it did not say that did it.

    GP continues :

    “By saying “After its Kind” it said what it wanted to say perfectly, for all time.”

    Agreed.

    Consistent with its very human origins, it contains only knowledge known by man at that time, demonstrating unequivocally it was written by man.

  5. Margaret Avatar
    Margaret

    Zoe

    Luke 22:44 says that Jesus “prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling on the ground.” Do you think Jesus actually sweat drops of blood, or is this hyperbolic speech?

  6. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    Jesus actually did sweat drops of blood; this is not hyperbolic speech. There is a rare medical condition in which tiny blood vessels in the skin can rupture so that blood extravasates into the sweat. It is noteworthy that it is Dr Luke alone who mentions that his sweat became as great drops of blood a fact that portrays, as language could not, the agony of our Lord’s struggle.

    Luke 22:44 reports that as Jesus prayed in an agony with greater emphasis and earnestness than usual, with strong crying and tears (Hebrews 5:7) that his sweat became as it were great drops of blood falling down upon the ground

    Clarkes commentary online states in summary on this verse “Some have thought that the meaning of the words is, that the sweat was so profuse that every drop was as large as a drop of blood, not that the sweat was blood itself: but this does not appear likely. There have been cases in which persons in a debilitated state of body, or through horror of soul, have had their sweat tinged with blood. Dr. Mead from Galen observes, “Cases sometimes happen in which, through mental pressure, the pores may be so dilated that the blood may issue from them; so that there may be a bloody sweat.” And Bishop PEARCE gives an instance from Thuanus (Deuteronomy Thou) of an Italian gentleman being so distressed with the fear of death that his body was covered with a bloody sweat.”
    He adds correctly “But it is fully evident that the fear of death could have no place in the mind of our blessed Lord. He was in the bloom of life, in perfect health and had never suffered any thing from disease of any kind; this sweat was most assuredly produced by a preternatural cause.”

    In Robertson’s Word Pictures of the New Testament, on line , the author seems to suggest that the phrase “As it were great drops of blood” (wsei qromboi aimatoß) means. thick, clotted blood. He states that qromboi is an old word common in medical works, but here only in the N.T.

    Garvey and Pendleton comments thus… Commentators give instances of bloody sweat under abnormal pathological conditions.

    John Gill’s Exposition of the Bible on line (edited)suggests that Jesus was in fear distress, and agony because of the sins of the world to be inflicted on him for the sins of his people, as he prayed more earnestly, and with great eagerness and importunity, with intenseness of mind, and fervour of Spirit, with strong crying, and tears to him that was able to save him from death, (Hebrews 5:7) and his sweat was, as it were, great drops of blood falling to the ground. This account of Christ’s bloody sweat is only given by Luke, who being a physician, as is thought, more diligently recorded things which belonged to his profession to take cognizance of; nor should it be any objection to the truth and credibility of this fact, that it is not mentioned by the other evangelists, since it is no unusual thing with them for one to record that which is omitted by another; nor should its being so strange and unusual a sweat at all discredit the history of it, since there have been instances of this kind arising from various causes; and if there had been none, since the case of our Lord was singular, it ought to be credited. This bloody sweat did not arise from a cachexy, or ill state of body, which has sometimes been the cause of it, as Aristotle observes, who says, that the blood sometimes becomes sanious, and so serous, insomuch that some have been covered with a “bloody sweat”: and in another place he says, that through an ill habit of body it has happened to some, that they have sweat a bloody excrement.
    Bartholinus produces instances in plagues and fevers; but nothing of this kind appears in Christ, whose body was hale and robust, free from distempers and diseases, as it was proper it should, in order to do the work, and endure the sufferings he did; nor did it arise from any external heat, or a fatiguing journey.
    The above writer relates, from Actuarius, a story of a young man that had little globes of blood upon his skin, by sweat, through the heat of the sun, and a laborious journey. Christ’s walk from Jerusalem to the garden was but a short one; and it was in the night when he had this sweat, and a cold night too; see (John 18:18) ,it rather arose from the agony in which he was, before related: persons in an agony, or fit of trembling, sweat much, as Aristotle observes; but to sweat blood is unusual. This might be occasioned by his vehement striving and wrestling with God in prayer, since the account follows immediately upon that; and might be owing to his strong cries, to the intenseness and fervour of his mind, and the commotion of the animal spirits, which was now very great, as some have thought; or, as others, to the fear of death, as it was set before him in so dreadful a view, and attended with such horrible circumstances. Thuanus a very grave and credible historian, reports of a governor of a certain garrison, who being, by a stratagem, decoyed from thence, and taken captive, and threatened with an ignominious death, was so affected with it, that he sweat a “bloody sweat” all over his body. And the same author relates of a young man of Florence, who being, by the order of Pope Sixtus the Fifth, condemned, as he was led along to be executed, through the vehemence of his grief discharged blood instead of sweat, all over his body: and Maldonate, upon this passage, reports, that he had heard it from some who saw, or knew it, that at Paris, a man, robust, and in good health, hearing that a capital sentence was pronounced upon him, was, at once, all over in a bloody sweat: which instances show, that grief, surprise, and fear, have sometimes had such an effect on men; but it was not mere fear of death, and trouble of mind, concerning that, which thus wrought on our Lord, but the sense he had of the sins of his people, which were imputed to him, and the curse of the righteous law of God, which he endured, and especially the wrath of God, which was let into his soul.
    Some think the words do not necessarily imply, that this sweat was blood, or that there was blood in it; only that his sweat, as it came out of his body, and fell on the ground, was so large, and thick, and viscous, that it looked like drops, or clots of blood; but the case rather seems to be this, that the pores of Christ’s body were so opened, that along with sweat came out blood, which flowed from him very largely; and as it fell on the ground, he being fallen on his face to the earth, it was so congealed by the cold in the night season, that it became really, as the word signifies, clots of blood upon the earth.
    This long report of John Gill’s certainly document that the occurrence described in Luke 22:44, which is known to medical science, though rare is certainly not unknown. Illiterate critics need therefore to be apprized of this.

  7. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @GP………Do you really know for a fact that “No one knew about DNA before 1954?

    Will you say that there are some “thruths” out there that if they are revealed would turn this society on its arse? Do you know or would you agree that your medicine as practised today via Hippocrates owes a lot to Ancient Egypt? In the “Odyssey” didn’t Homer state that “In medical knowledge, Egypt leaves the rest of the world behind?” Do you know that Pythagorus, Aristotles and Plato all studied in Kemet?

    What is this practice of controlled history?

    @Margaret……After your post at April 16, 2009 at 10:04 am, what is your argument?

  8. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @Anonymous…….Did you know that “Amen” is a derivative of the word Amon/Amun which is Kemetian?

  9. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    Anonymous, Not Saved is in the same Abyss as Rok, only that Rok is deep into the Abyss, while NS is trying to climb out from the edge where he is hanging on; can’t expect him to make any sense of all the Coherent facts being presented, as when one is dangling from the edge of the Abyss, ya can’t think straight!

  10. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    @ Hopi
    Re @GP………Do you really know for a fact that “No one knew about DNA before 1954?

    It is generally know that the discovery of the structure of DNA was done in the early fifties by the late Francis Crick who won the Nobel Prize jointly with James Watson and Maurice Wilkins for their efforts. This led to the “Central Dogma” of Biology which decreed that genetic information flows linearly from DNA to RNA to protein. This is just another way of saying that organisms are hardwired in their genetic makeup, and that the environment has little if any influence on the structure and function of the genes.

    I agree that whenever TRUTH is revealed it changes the opinion of society. ………eventually………some times

  11. Straight talk Avatar
    Straight talk

    GP:

    “environment has little if any influence on the structure and function of the genes”

    Is this your disingenuous way of dismissing evolution?

    Are not fellow human beings, and prospective partners not part of your environment?

    The environment one lives in cannot change your own genetic make-up but to say it does not affect the total gene pool and naturally selective reproduction is taking creationism one step too far.

  12. David Avatar
    David

    With all that has been discussed so far have the religious scholars in our midst shared their knowledge on the dead sea scroll findings? Are we to understand that these scrolls are still being interpreted and God knows what the final findings will be as far as impacting modern day religion?

  13. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Straightalk
    Re
    GP:
    “environment has little if any influence on the structure and function of the genes”
    Is this your disingenuous way of dismissing evolution?

    I said what I meant and I meant what I said! LOL

    Are not fellow human beings, and prospective partners not part of your environment? CERTAINLY!

    The environment one lives in cannot change your own genetic make-up TRUE , …………but read on

    but to say it does not affect the total gene pool and naturally selective reproduction is taking creationism one step too far. NOT TRUE

    You are getting into the fact that the environment can affect the total gene pool and naturally selection. But we all know that mutations tend to be more dangerous and a cause of disease including cancers; xeroderma pigmentosa being one of the prime examples.

    In the living cell, DNA undergoes frequent chemical change, especially when it is being replicated or copied (in S phase of the eukaryotic cell cycle). Most of these changes are quickly repaired. Those that are not result in a mutation. Thus, mutation is a failure of DNA repair. Read up on xeroderma pigmentosa, and tell us what you find..

    There is something called a missense mutation the result is the production of an altered amino acid in the protein product. One example of this is of course sickle-cell disease, which is common in black people. The replacement of one nucleotide of the gene for the beta chain of hemoglobin results in the 6th amino acid in the chain becoming valine instead of glutamic acid. The result is a serious disease! Another similar example results in cystic fibrosis- another serious disease!

    Cystic fibrosis may also be caused by so called Nonsense mutations, in which the new nucleotide changes a codon that specified an amino acid to one of the STOP codons (TAA, TAG, or TGA). Therefore, translation of the messenger RNA transcribed from this mutant gene will stop prematurely. The earlier in the gene that this occurs, the more truncated the protein product and the more likely that it will be unable to function.
    When this occurs in cystic fibrosis a huge gene that encodes a protein (of 1480 amino acids) called the cystic fibrosis transmembrane conductance regulator (CFTR). The protein is responsible for transporting chloride ions through the plasma membrane. The gene encompasses over 6000 nucleotides spread over 27 exons on chromosome 7. The numbers in the mutation column represent the number of the nucleotides affected. Defects in the protein cause the various symptoms of the disease. Unlike sickle-cell disease, then, no single mutation is responsible for all cases of cystic fibrosis. People with cystic fibrosis inherit two mutant genes, but the mutations need not be the same.
    Silent mutations cause no change in their product and cannot be detected without sequencing the gene (or its mRNA).
    Splice-site mutations occur with the removal of intron sequences, as pre- mRNA is being processed to form mRNA, must be done with great precision. Nucleotide signals at the splice sites guide the enzymatic machinery. If a mutation alters one of these signals, then the intron is not removed and remains as part of the final RNA molecule. The translation of its sequence alters the sequence of the protein product, which does not function..
    Extra base pairs may be added (insertions) or removed (deletions) from the DNA of a gene. The number can range from one to thousands. Collectively, these mutations are called indels.
    Indels involving one or two base pairs (or multiples thereof) can have devastating consequences to the gene because translation of the gene is “frameshifted”. By shifting the reading frame one nucleotide to the right, the same sequence of nucleotides encodes a different sequence of amino acids. and the protein specified by these new codons will be worthless. Frameshifts often create new STOP codons and thus generate nonsense mutations. Perhaps that is just as well as the protein would probably be too garbled anyway to be useful to the cell.
    However, a number of inherited human disorders are caused by the insertion of many copies of the same triplet of nucleotides. Huntington’s disease and the fragile X syndrome are examples of such trinucleotide repeat diseases.
    I could go on, but I suggest to you that mutations don’t generally or very often produce mutations that are useful, but tend to produce aberrations and disease.

    Don’t take my word for it. Read it up online.
    Check out the cause of these diseases online while you at it Fragile X Syndrome, Huntington’s Disease, Muscular Dystrophy, Burkitt’s lymphoma, chronic myelogenous leukemia, and come back and tell the BU family what you found man.

  14. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @GP………”It is generally known that……..” Because something is generally known doesn’t make it fact and as a GP you should know that.

    Back in the 1950 wasn’t fluoride which has absolutely ZERO value in human consumption, added to drinking water and toothpaste, the same fluoride which is used in bomb making. Wasn’t this generally accepted as good? And is still somewhat accepted today.

    Wasn’t it generally accepted that Africa contributed nothing to human “civilization” as we know it today?

    The Germans would tell you that Mirscher “1st” observed/discovered DNA back in the 1800s. But I would take a step further and say that the Ancient Africans knew about DNA way before the Europeans.

    BTW…There’s nothing new under the SUN.

    What say ye about Hippocrates and Ancient Egyptian medicine!?!?

    “I agree that………………..
    society…….eventually…..sometimes. You’re so funny I’m beginning to question your credentials!!Real funny.

  15. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    @ Not Saved
    Re Consistent with its very human origins, it contains only knowledge known by man at that time, demonstrating unequivocally it was written by man.

    Your conclusion is only partly true! You are a very naughty boy!
    Your mockery of my scholarship in Bible and Molecular Biology?Genetics wont alter the facts.
    Why don’t you read 2 Peter 1: 21 for the entire truth man.
    For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man; but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

    The word “moved” can be interpreted as carried along as the wind carries a long a sail boat.

    @ David
    Eventually we will get around to the Dead Sea scrolls.

  16. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    @ Hopi
    Let me rephrase to make you happy.
    It is generally accepted or it is generally reported in the literature that Crick & Watson discovered DNA. And that’s what I believe.

    If you believe that the Germans observed/discovered DNA back in the 1800s or that the Ancient Africans knew about DNA way before the Europeans, it does not change my argument/belief that the phrase in Genesis 1 “after its kind” refers to reproduction involving the transfer of DNA as the genetic material.

    I have not studied Hippocrates or Ancient Egyptian medicine intensively, but I am aware of their prowess in the field. I am not one that believe that Africa contributed nothing to human “civilization” as we know it today.
    .
    When I wrote “I agree that whenever TRUTH is revealed it changes the opinion of society. ………eventually………some times,” I was not intending to be funny, but truthful. And my statement can not be refuted, because when some TRUTH is revealed it often takes time to change the opinion of society, ……………and some times, there is no change. E.g I believe that the preaching of the Cross is the TRUTH, and I know too that but whereas it will change many persons. ………eventually………it is not going to change all…….and it is not going to change some…..ever!
    How ya like ma now?

  17. Simple Enough Avatar
    Simple Enough

    @ Not Saved:

    For a while now, I’ve been reading and following closely the postings of GP, GEM of TKI, Carlos, Anonymous, Zoe et al, who have all presented with scholarly cogency, objectivity, logic, and coherence, a reasonably defense of the Bible and the Christian world view, and I find it difficuly to understand how anyone with basic commonsense cannot begin to grasp the factual arguments so well presented.

    Rok and Hopi, are masters at throwing ‘Strawmen’ and ‘Redherrings’ into the fray, to distract from the substance and essence of the Christians defense, expressly because they CANNOT refute with any coherent argument of their own.

    But, when it comes to ‘Not Saved’ well, he is Not only, Not Saved, but also Not bright, Not intelligent, but rather displays an amazing propensity for ignorance, bordering on being a Moron!

  18. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    @ Zoe
    What do you think about this?

    In one of his posts, the world’s leading Bible scholar and theologian opined on this thread thus:-

    These are somethings that heed to be ascertained:
    1. A record of Moses in Pharaoh’s mansion?
    2. An Egyptian record of the Israelites’ exodus?
    3. An Egyptian record of the drowning of the soldiers in the Red or Reed Sea?
    4. A record of Joseph in Pharaoh’s court. After all, he rose in rank?
    5. A roman record of the crucifixion of Christ?
    6. A Roman record of the events reportedly recorded by the Jewish scribes of his death and resurrection?

    With respect to Joseph, we find that Joseph is not one of the Patriarchs, but more chapters in Genesis are devoted to him than all the others ( chapters 37, and 39-50 are devoted to him) probably because no one else in the whole Biblical narrative pictures Christ in as many respects as Joseph does—and Christ is after all the central character of the Scriptures.

    Joseph’s life shows that it is not totally impossible to be like the Lord. In addition, it is clear that by stressing the lives of persons like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Judah, Joseph etc, the Spirit is teaching us that God is more interested in the lives of individuals and their response to his message rather than in the vast universe that He created. Thus it is that the Scriptures teach what shall it profit a man, if he should gain the whole world and lose his own soul. (Mark 8:36). Clearly then individuals and their souls is the focus of Biblical interest. Our command is thus to “ Go thou and do likewise!”

    People on this thread like to mock at the idea of faith, but isn’t it strange that when Paul considers the life of Joseph in Hebrews 11:22 (the Hall of the Faithful) all he says about the exciting life of Joseph is that ….. By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones.

  19. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    forgot this piece Zoe

    Why is this? Joseph like his ancestors expected to be raised in the promise land. That was the promise God had made to his forefathers, and he believed it so much that he commanded his people not to bury him in Egypt. His coffin was carried about in the dessert for 40 years. I wish I had the faith that Joseph did.

  20. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    Simple wrote :

    “I find it difficuly to understand how anyone with basic commonsense cannot begin to grasp the factual arguments so well presented.”

    ——

    If YOU find some things difficult to understand maybe YOU should not be the one to call people a moron.

  21. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    Tell me Georgie, since you have directed me, can you tell me who wrote 2 Peter?

  22. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    GP writes :

    “that when Paul considers the life of Joseph in Hebrews ”

    Did Paul really write Hebrews?

  23. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @David…….Whatever translation/interpretation comes from those dead sea scrolls take them with a pound of dead sea salts.

    @GP…….The reason you know so little of the Ancient Egyptians’ influence on Hippocrates and western medicine is because of the simple need to OBLITERATE the Africans origins of ‘civilization.’

    Was Joseph’s body being carried around in that coffin for 40 yrs?

  24. Simple Enough Avatar
    Simple Enough

    Hopi, You are an ENEMY of Almighty God, and His Historic Revelation of His Eternal Truth, cemented in the reality of FACTS, across History; you have NO idea what you are fighting against; be warned, in the Name of The Lord of Host, you are treading on dangerous ground, constantly attacking His Word, with LIES.

    In recent times, one of your ilk, was constanly decrying and mocking the Death, and Supernatural Resurrection of Christ, that person is no longer alive, they were removed, not by any man, but by the Only One who can give, and taketh away, Almighty God, as He has revealed Himself in his Word, in the Face of The Lord Jesus Christ.

    This IS NOT a threat to or against you from any man, it is a warning from the Word of God to the enemies of Him.

  25. Simple Enough Avatar
    Simple Enough

    GP, Don’t waste your time answering Not Saved, those stupid questions have already been dealt with, he is ‘…ever learning, and never able to understand the truth…’

  26. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    LOL

  27. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @Simple Enough……..Pray tell what should I do to be saved? To avoid such a fate. You got me so skeerrred I don’t know what to do……I think I’m gonna get off this interface right now!!!***

    But before I go if God is a spirit how did this spirit become a Male? How do you know that?

    And now I lay me down to sleep
    I pray dear ” ” my soul to keep
    And if I should dye before I wake Please keep me Black for my own sake. OR
    Dispatch Simple Enough with a golden brown pancake.

  28. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    ………’In recent times, one of your ilk, was constantly decrying and mocking the Death, and Supernatural Resurrection of Christ, that person is no longer alive, they were removed, not by any man, but by the Only One who can give, and taketh away, Almighty God, as He has revealed Himself in his Word, in the Face of The Lord Jesus Christ.

    This is the type of fire and brimstone bullshit that really pisses me off coming from Christians!!

    Don’t ordinary Christians die every day too ?!?
    Are their deaths any more or less significant from a non believer?!?
    If one should go by this ignorant statement…then I guess Christians should have a long life span .

  29. JC Avatar
    JC

    And now I lay me down to sleep
    I pray dear ” ” my soul to keep
    And if I should dye before I wake Please keep me Black for my own sake. OR
    Dispatch Simple Enough with a golden brown pancake.
    ___________________________ ha ha ha ha alol lol that one bad!

  30. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    David,

    I wonder if it is not lost on you (and some neutral readers) that despite the christians lecturing us on the decay in society and their prescribed solution (to the absolute exclusion of any other) most (if not all) of the insults and ad hominems are coming from only one side in this thread?

    Then again, it is alleged that there is only one christian here (but many names) and even us non believers know better than to judge the many by the actions of the one.

  31. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    @ Not Saved….

    This is so true….

  32. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Technician.
    I don’t think that you should be so angry with believers who preach “fire and brimstone” as you call it. Some believers are much more zealous than others in their endeavor to carry out the Great Commission of presenting the Gospel, and informing others of what you call “fire and brimstone. In so doing they may be quite offensive. However, in Romans “the wrath of God” is certainly a prominent topic. For example Romans 1:18 states For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth.

    Both good ordinary and carnal Christians die every day. And it would seem that their deaths are very significant to God, because Psalm 116:15 teaches that “Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints.”

  33. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    @ Hopi
    The reason I know so little of the Ancient Egyptians’ influence on Hippocrates and western medicine is because I have had no interest in such history nor was it taught in Medical school. There is just not enough time to teach this, and much of medicine changes daily, as you well know.

    It may well be true that there is the need to OBLITERATE the Africans origins of ‘civilization,. But don’t blame me for that.

    Joseph’s body was carried around in that coffin for 40 yrs because it was well embalmed as described in the last verse of Genesis. Everyone know that the Egyptians were excellent in that skill.

    I noticed that you asked Simple Enough……..Pray tell what should I do to be saved?
    A similar question was asked of Paul by the Phillippian jailor in Acts 16:30. Paul’s reply was “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved. But I am sure that you have heard that already.

  34. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Not Saved
    I believe that the Divine author of the whole Bible is God as is taught in both 2 Peter121 & 2 Timothy 3:16, and that there are several human co-authors.

    I also believe that Paul wrote Hebrews. There are several reasons why I believe this; one of which is because of the logic and argument used, and the fact that the author expresses a mastery of Jewish law only displayed in the Pauline Epistles. One other reason is because a Pauline Epistle (not the pastoral ones, or Philemon) tend to have a doctrinal section linked to a devotional section by a therefore or a wherefore. Hebrews tends to follow this pattern, except that the transition in Hebrews begins with the “let us-es” or the hortotary subjunctives which start ay chapter 10 vs 22.

    Note that Romans has a dispensational section (chapters 9-11) sandwhiched between the doctrinal and devotional sections.

    Not Saved, I can assure you that the allegation that there is only one christian here (but many names) is untrue I am sure that you know that I have not engaged in insults and ad hominems, despite having my opinions mocked at.

  35. Dark Knight Avatar
    Dark Knight

    David Thompson is deporting Guyanese and others, having locked-up people from Nigeria and Ghana at our military base similar to George Bush.

    The david thompson administration is also making good on it election threat to deport foreign nurse.

    In contrast, President Obama wants to regularise the status of some 12 million.

    Who is right!

    Obama who is seeking to make the 12 million illegal legal or Thompson for deporting the Guyanese he does not like.

  36. Observer Avatar
    Observer

    Georgie Porgie says “I am sure that you know that I have not engaged in insults and ad hominems”

    Ha ha ha ha ha

    Good one Georgie

    Not *YOU* right georgie, but “simple enough”, “Zoe” etc etc

    Keep changing those names.

  37. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @Simple Enough is Enough…….Hopi back here at 1653hrs. Didn’t see that pancake arrive…what happened man?
    Be honest with me and tell me how that ‘ilk’ of mine died and maybe I’ll listen to you. Did anyone in your immediate family ever die and where did their soul go?

    A little something about the Almighty…Its a spirit which encompasses both male & female,night & day, moisture & dryness, SUN & moon…………Had it only been male you and I would not be here now (right GP?) So get it right.
    Peace to you Simple E.

    @Tech……Be careful that your soul don’t get damned to hell as well!

    @GP……..The real reason why you hadn’t been taught about Ancient Egyptian Medicine in Western medical schools is SIMPLE—-These two systems are like day and ‘night’. The Ancients treated the “whole” they did not separate the physical from the spiritual, unlike the Europeans who do not fully comprehend that. The Europeans concentrate on placating the symptoms and not getting to the root of the illness. Europeans medicine is based on PROFIT not HEALING.
    And I know that if you had learned about Ancient Egyptian medicine you would KNOW without any doubt that Jesus Christ as the christian Son of God NEVER existed because their medicine also encompassed Religion which actually means to tie back or to link. That’s how the Ancient Egyptians operated.

    How do you know that the divine author of the bible is God?

    Why did they walk around with Joseph’s body for 40yrs?

  38. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Hopi
    I believe that the divine author of the bible is God.

    Joseph like his ancestors expected to be raised in the promise land. That was the promise God had made to his forefathers, and he believed it so much that he commanded his people not to bury him in Egypt. That is why his coffin was carried about in the dessert for 40 years.

  39. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @GP…….I believe, I believe! That does not make it fact. As an MD do you have to BELIEVE or do you have to KNOW? Where in the bible is Joseph’s coffin carried around for 40 yrs?

  40. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    @ralph

    I am going to ignore your value judgments and say that if you don’t understand you should ask, so I am going to tell you this.

    We will never grow our own food, never develop your own power sources, never “take care of our children running wild in the care of so called gangsters driving big yellows vans”, until we are free.

    You have to understand that people like Zoe et al are the gate keepers of the fairy tale mindset that imprisons the minds of Christians; they are the wardens of t he prison, sharply trying to bring in the fold. That is the main reason our children running out of hand and staying out of hand.

    You see, the backwardness of the mentality is what causes them to forsake their children and abandon them, saying they are full of evil and the foolishness they get on with is Satan’s work. They fail our youth in their ignorance.

    One of the problems I have with the fight against drugs is this attempt to win “souls” as they say. Christianity is responsible for a lot of ignorance. First this wall that we put up against so-called sinners is the basis of discrimination and stigmatisation. You see, a poor man has nothing to lose and has a tendency to do anything which in turns allows the Christians to brand them as evil, and once you are evil in Barbados you are ostracised.

    This book teaches that there should be purity and hence with such a high standard; which humans are not, the fairy tale works. So all men are evil but some are less evil and when you are less evil, you have a better status, you can enter into the kingdom of “god”.

    Once you believe the bible story, you are trapped into a mindset of ignorance. For example, to stigamatise drug addicts and the poor rather than help them with the problem; To accept a hierarchical order is also to know your place which is not high up in the order.

    You see, so long as the bible has a white God it establishes a standard based on whiteness. That is why up until today, there is not a white man in jail and white men do what they feel like in this society and get what they want too. We do not do the same for our black brothers and sisters.

    We are therefore the laughing stock for the elite and now they about to make the step much more sophisticated; create a lot of clouds and our population stays asleep saying, the Lord will provide. I think they mean the USA, but the problem is that the USA will not provide.

  41. Avatar
    Anonymous

    Bajans (Blacks especially) love to talk, argue, debate and write endlessly about religion. What does this say about us?

  42. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @ROK…….Again ASE! Whether or not Blacks accept it, they have chosen to be afraid of the white man and this is very evident in their turn-the-other-cheek, docile, submissive attitude. Like I’ve said before, the enemy has made his “God” in his image, so he come out on top at all times. And whenever Blacks pick up arms against whitey, you always hear dumb, docile Blacks discouraging them. Whitey knew that if they had chosen a white man to be the President of the Corporation, that there would have been greater resistance, but instead they gave you a phenotypical black man, who has intoxicated the world with his “charisma” while they continue to expand the net and tighten the noose. (More bait and switch). And in the meantime prepare your souls because Christ is coming back for it, very soon. Isn’t it funny that since Christo Serapis came on the scene and left that He has been returning and hasn’t gotten here yet? What’s taking Him so long?

  43. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Hopi
    Re I believe, I believe! That does not make it fact. As an MD do you have to BELIEVE or do you have to KNOW?

    Be reasonable Hopi. Everything in life is based on believing. Yes even in Medicine. I believe what they taught me in Medical school. I believe what I read about new developments from the articles in the journals etc, and on documentaries.

    Don’t you believe much of what you know about Ancient Egypt? There is a relationship between BELIEVING & KNOWING. I BELIEVE that you are intelligent enough to KNOW that Hopi.

    Please let us not spend so much time splitting hairs.

    Re Where in the bible is Joseph’s coffin carried around for 40 yrs?

    Joshua 24:32 States thus….. And the bones of Joseph, which the children of Israel brought up out of Egypt, buried they in Shechem, in a parcel of ground which Jacob bought of the sons of Hamor the father of Shechem for an hundred pieces of silver.

    I BELIEVE that if they had the bones to bury at the end of the conquest of Canaan that they carried around his coffin for 40 yrs.

    I cant think of any other references off hand now. Unfortunately I left my Strong’s at home in Barbados.

  44. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @GP……’I ain’t splitting no hairs’ In medicine, even though you believe, you still have to prove that it works, don’t you? So why can’t you apply this to something as important as your religion? As far as Ancient Egypt is concerned, I don’t believe I carry the DNA. Gotta check out the Joseph story later.

  45. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    @ Rok
    As one who believes the Bible story and is trapped into a mindset of ignorance, can I ask you to enlighten me by answering these questions?

    * Can you define ignorance and explain how believing the bible story entraps one into a mindset of ignorance?
    * Does the population who believe that the Lord (not the USA) will provide have any basis for such a belief? Is it because he has always provided for them in the pass. And so they believe he will in the future? Could they be like David, who thought that he could slay a giant, simply because he had killed a bear and a lion bare handed in the past?

    * Where does the Bible say that God is white? Please cite the texts that say this.

    * Where does the Bible establish a standard based on whiteness?. Please cite the texts that say this.

    * Where does the Bible teach that when you are less evil, you have a better status, you can enter into the kingdom of “god”? Please cite the texts that say this. I thought that the Bible taught that ALL HAVE SINNED and come short of the glory of God.(Romans 3:23). I thought that the Bible taught that THERE IS NONE RIGHTEIOUS- NO NOT ONE! (Romans 3:10)
    * Does this passage from Romans 3:10-18 agree or disagree with your thesis about the degrees of evil of men?

    10As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
    11There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
    12They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
    13Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
    14Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
    15Their feet are swift to shed blood:
    16Destruction and misery are in their ways:
    17And the way of peace have they not known:
    18There is no fear of God before their eyes.

  46. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Oh wise Rok!

    I really cant understand what growing our own food, developing our own power sources, and taking care of our children running wild in the care of so called gangsters driving big yellows vans”, has to do with freedom from a knowledge of the Bible and living by its principles.

    Have we not sought to convert the energy of the sun for domestic use, as in its use as solar heaters, and solar ovens and other initiatives pioneered by the late Dr Headley and Dr Hudson? Have we not grown our food in the past? Why can we not do this again? Is our contemporary tastes for exotic foods and other items from abroad based from a knowledge of the Bible and a desire to live by its principles?

    Seeing that only a relatively small section of our society still believe the Bible or in “the fairy tale mindset that imprisons the minds of Christians,” how is it possible for that people like Zoe et al be gate keepers or wardens of a prison be the main reason our children running out of hand and staying out of hand.

    Having lived in Barbados for almost 60 years, my observations suggest that when our children were taught in primary and secondary schools by men who feared the Lord, and when attendance at church and Sunday school was mandatory as part of one’s socialization, that children were more disciplined and easier to manage.

    In those days, minor things like congregating under a street light, or stealing fruit from a neighbours fruit tree was an abomination. Are we to conclude that it is the departure from the way children were disciplined in the home and at school in those days that has occasioned the comparative “evil” of our contemporary children? Or would it be more reasonable to conclude that the current chaos is a lack of exposure to what were considered “Christian values”?

    Is the “backwardness of the mentality” that cause contemporary parents to forsake their children and abandon them due to the parents seeking to force feed them with Scripture, or is the abandonment of the children due to their lack of care and attention, as parents seek to become richer, or keep up with the Jones’, and the other maladies that consume contemporary civilization?

    Which Bajan parents are forsaking their children and abandoning them, and saying they are full of evil? With what ignorance does our relatively more educated parents fail our youth as compared to the parents of yore, who were largely less educated and definitely poorer?

    The parents of yore who were more “ignorant” and more likely to severely chastise their children for the slightest infraction, and sometimes for only perceived misdemeanors obviously did a better job, wouldn’t you say?

    My impression as I grew up was that the majority of poor men did not tend to do things that caused our “Christian” society to brand them as evil, or to be ostracized. They tended to do what was right as much as they could. They tended to live as best they could according to what they were taught in their homes, at school and at church. They tended to live as best they could according to the godly influences to which they were exposed. Young people tended to listen to such godly influences then, I think.

    Where I did I misunderstand things Rok?

  47. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    Hopi said to GP, “I ain’t splitting no hairs” ‘In medicine, even though you believe, you still have to prove that it works, don’t you” So why can’t you apply THIS TO SOMETHING AS IMPORTANT AS YOUR RELIGION?”

    Hopi, this IS PRECISELY what GP and other Christians have being doing for THOUSANDS of years, we FIRST BELIEVED, and then the PROOF followed ON, over and over again, EXACTLY as The Bible and Christ said it would, there IS PROOF FOR YOU, every aspect of HIS promises as Divinly recored in His Word, the Bible, WORKS. We are living PROOF of this, along with Multitudes of other across the world.

    As I said in a previous blog to you, re your question, “Where are the remains of Yahweh? What did He leave as an imprint on human behaviour? Anon Ra buut, Yahweh destroyed. Who helps man?”

    My response to you then, still stands.

    Zoe March 3, 11:08am.

    “Yes, absolutely, yes, Yahweh’s IMPRINT rest throughout the history of mankind, in judgment mercy, grace, and love, unmistakably EVIDENT, exactly as He said it would occur through His Prophets, RIGHT UP to this present time in history.”

    “Show me any remotely parallel document of antiquity, that even comes CLOSE to such predictive accuracy, with such literal fulfillment as contained in God’s Word the Bible.”

    “Where does Anon Ra speak on such matters, covering thousands of years of history with such varacity?”

    This, Hopi, is what Coherence means, EVERY thing prophesied in the Bible, HAS coherence, a binding together, bond, cohesion, clinging, intregrity, unity, found NO WHERE ELSE in any other document of antiquity.

    Only Yahweh, the One True Almighty God, has done this, confirmed by the living PROOF, in those who first BELIEVED, through Jesus Christ, YOU CANNOT REFUTE this with LIES, Hopi!

  48. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    Tech, this is for you.

  49. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    Rok writes: That is why up until today, there is not a white man in jail and white men do what they feel like in this society and get what they want too. We do not do the same for our black brothers and sisters.

    There have actually been white men in jail- though not many. Why is this? Because they close ranks and look after themselves. They protect each other rather than engage in the crab in the barrel mentality and behavior.

    Ask the police. White boy rapes white girl in Bim. It is hushed up. It is not reported to the police. The whites sort it out between themselves.
    Black boy screwing black girl consensually, but when mother finds out, she cries rape and black boy is charged.

    White boy or girl thief from white’s office. It is hushed up. It is not reported to the police. The whites sort it out between themselves. Black boy steal from his own, blacks see that he is punished.

    There is obviously much that Rok does not know, or that he ignores.

    But the facts above can be verified by policemen past and present who can tell you that what I have said above is 100 % true!

  50. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    Let me rewrite that line @ 10:36 am..As far as Ancient Egypt is concerned, I don’t believe. I carry the DNA.

    @Zoe…”Anon Ra buut, Yahweh destroyed” What are you speaking of?
    Did you know that the word Yahweh came from the fire language which is African via the Caananites who were black. So this God will lead you right back to Africa. This coherence of the bible is proving one thing….that the authors conspired a long time ago and today they have their apparatus in place to ensure that their plan comes to fruition.

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