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Submitted by Bush Tea on January 1, 2009

Bush Tea has noted the ominous silence of the BU family on the most recent events in the mid east, where the brilliantly logical Israelis are again employing their often tried tactic of bombing and killing their neighbours into co-operation. Clearly their strategists are banking on the hope that this approach MUST work eventually –especially after decades of failure. (Submitted on January 1, 2009 but was not picked-up by BU, sorry about that Bush Tea – David)

Clearly this is a situation, which has been refined by the US republican party, where in the lead-up to a national election, unpopular governments seek to rally national support for a ‘war’ against some unfortunate common foe –preferably someone who can be labelled a ‘terrorist’.

The Israeli plan is obviously to build up the usual hype, kill a few Hamas ‘terrorist’ – and their collateral family members behind whom they are hiding (in their homes) and wait for the USA to protect them in the UN while a face saving ‘truce’ is negotiated.

The ruling party now confirmed at home and by the USA as ‘strong on terror’ and ‘able to protect the country’ would then be re-elected.

That is the plan. Here is the reality.

The current operation by Israel is going to finally bring the militant Palestinian forces together. (This happened 2 years ago in Lebanon for Hezbollah – but that seem to have been forgotten by Israel – or maybe the incumbent party is REALLY desperate).

This will result in the overthrow –this year- of ALL of the pro-western governments in the region –Egypt, Saudi Arabia…. ALL….

A VERY powerful strongman will then emerge, powered by the unifying force generated by this current (and previous) Israeli action, by the USA’s Iraq debacle, by control of huge oil reserves, access to very sophisticated weapons and an ideology fuelled by revenge and war.

The next New Year will be a very bleak one…. And Israel will pay a HUGE price for this approach to neighbour relations. Where is George Washington when he is needed? Is it not he who said that the best way to destroy your enemies is to make them into your friends????

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474 responses to “Is This The Start Of World War III?”

  1. David Avatar
    David

    The BU family maybe interested in this report which speaks to the USA abstention on the UN vote recently. Interesting huh?

    Thanks to BU family member for the email

    Rice: Olmert’s claims regarding my Gaza UN resolution vote are ‘fiction’

    By Haaretz Service

    U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice reiterated Washington’s contention on Wednesday that its abstention in a key UN Security Council vote on a cease-fire in the Gaza Strip had not left her "embarassed," as was claimed by Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.
    Olmert’s bureau maintained on Wednesday that the outgoing prime minister had correctly described moves that led to a United Nations resolution on a truce in Gaza, despite a United States rejection of his account, Israel Radio reported.

    "I don?t know if the prime minister was ? I hope ? quoted out of context, because the story that I read in the newspaper is fiction," Rice told the U.S.-based news agency Bloomberg on Thursday.

    "The President and I talked about the resolution, about the importance of allowing the Council to send a signal even though the United States believed that the resolution was premature," Rice said.

    "And I had made very clear that I thought the resolution was premature, and there were also concerns about a resolution that had Israel, a member-state of the United Nations, and Hamas, which is a terrorist organization, you don’t ever want there to be any equating those two."

    "And so we talked. We talked about abstention as a good option. And I was quite aware of the President?s call to Prime Minister Olmert. Of course, Prime Minister Olmert is not at all aware of what the President said to me. And I repeat, his rendering of this is fiction ? if, in fact, that was his rendering of it. And I want to give him the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps it’s not exactly what he said."

    The U.S. State Department on Tuesday flatly rejected Olmert’s assertion Monday that he had convinced the Bush administration to abstain from last week’s resolution calling for an immediate truce between Israel and Hamas in the coastal strip.

    State Department spokesman Sean McCormack also denied that the abstention embarrassed Rice.

    McCormack said the comments attributed to Olmert "are wholly inaccurate as to describing the situation, just 100-percent, totally, completely not true" and suggested that the Israeli government might want to clarify or correct the record.

    Olmert said Monday that Rice had been embarrassed by orders from President George W. Bush to abstain from voting on the cease-fire resolution that she was negotiating. Olmert said he had called Bush – and interrupted him at an event in Philadelphia – to ensure the United States did not vote for it.

  2. another view Avatar
    another view

    not a third world war……….but the very last war………ARMAGEDDON

  3. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    No one……like Carlos, Another view and others of this ilk seem to think that Israelis LIE!!

    The post with the quotes are mine, done while @ work so that is where the anon comes from. These quotes are not out of context but shows that the mentality of annihilation in present on both sides of this conflict.
    We can talk of Biblical prophecies or who took whose land….at the end of the day….it is the injustices that causes people to react.

  4. Carlos Avatar
    Carlos

    Anonymous, in reply to your question:

    “Can you tell me if these quotes are lies or half truths?

    I have no doubt that there are reported accurately; but that’s not the point, which you and those of your ilk, JUST will not come to grips with, and what is it?

    First, these various quotes from a number of former Israeli leaders, (c.1937-2000) or maybe even more recent, however vile they maybe, can only be honestly, fairly, and logically understood, against the historic background of the Islamic mindset that started with the Prophet Mohammed in the 7th century, and has NEVER stopped, repeatedly condemning the Jews, who were lawful citizens for hundreds and hundreds of years, throughout the Arab world, bearing the terrible of hostility, in the most inhumane of ways, subjected to the vilest of attacks, all documented for any honest person to invistigate, until, they finally were given their ancient ‘homeland’ in 1948.

    The Jews had no where to call their ‘homeland’ during these centuries of dispersion in Arab countries, and suffered terribly at the hands of these Islamic haters, who siezed every opportunity to tortue, malign and kill them.

    Despite the record, modern Arab claims to the contrary have been allowed to supplant the facts.

    Here are a few excerpts from some school books in Arab countries, regarding the Jews:

    “The Jews…lived exiled and despised since by nature they are vile, greedy, and enemies of mankind. (Syrian second-year junior high school testbook, 1963-1964).

    “Jordan, 1964 department for school curricula and textbooks, for first-year high school: Glances at Arab Society, p.117. An exercise: “Israel was born TO DIE, Prove it.”

    “Syria, 1963, fifth-year elementary school: Basic Syntax and Spelling. An exercise: ‘We Shall Expel ALL the Jews.” For example, ‘Analyze the following sentences: 1. The merchant himself travelled to the African continent. 2. We shall expel ALL the Jews from the Arab countries.”

    “Egyppt, 1965, Egyptian State Seal, for first-year junior high school: Grammar, p. 244. An exercise: ‘The Arabs do NOT CEASE to act for the EXTERMINATION of Esrael.”

    “U.A.R. (Egypt), for ninth-grade secondary schools: Zionist Imperialism, by Abbad Muhmud Al-Akkad, p. 249, ‘…Israel hopes to be the homeland of the Jews, and they have the stubbornness of 4,000 years of history behind them. But Israel SHALL NOT live if the Arabs stand fast in their HATRED. She shall wither and decline. Even if ALL the human race, and the Devil in Hell, conspire to aid her, she SHALL NOT EXIST.” emphasis added.
    (From Time Immemorial, The Origins Of The Arab-Jewish Conflict Over Palestine).

    ‘The anti-Semitic literature published by the Arabs since World War II has been voluminous, and is continually increasing, despite the almost total evacuation of the Arab world’s Jews.”

    “The virulence of this literature is disturbing, but even more significant is the official or governmental origin of the publications – not from an extremist fringe, which might be lightly dismissed, but from Arab governments, including those called ‘moderate.’ ” (Ibid., p.79).

    The next quote, is vitally important, as contrary to what is believed, that the Jews in Israel came from European countries, which IS most certainly not the truth.

    “Arab propaganda and sympathizers have persisted in the charge that Israel is a foreign putpost of Western civilization, the intruding offspring of Europe inhabited by European survivors of Nazi brutality. In actuality, more than half of the people in Israel today are Jews or offspring of Jews who lived in Arab countries and have FLED from Arab brutality; Israel’s present population consists mainly of refugees and their descendants from two OPPRESSIONS, European-Nazi and Arabs. as the Arab writer Sabri Jiris has acknowledged, either by official edit or by the Arab’s own HARSH mistreatment of the Jews among them, the Arab world HAS EXPELLED or has caused Jews to flee to Israel. Were the facts popularly recognized, the Arab propaganda claim of a ‘European’ Israel would long ago have been refuted. The Arabs have long helped to make the Jewish state predominantly an ‘Oriental’ Israel of Jews from Arab lands.” (Ibid., p.79) emphasis added.

    Tomorrow, I’ll give you some more ‘historic’ facts on this particular aspect of where the Jews had to ‘run’ from, or were ‘kicked’ out of, in coming to their homeland, which the Arabs detest, and teach their junior school children to ‘HATE’ as they must be exterminated from the earth!

  5. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    We can go on and on,back and forth, so dont bother.

    You see…unlike you (and a Christian at that)…..I will not sit here and say Hamas does not carry blame in this conflict.
    I think some, if not most of their actions are wrong but what I will try to do is look at the collective problem and speak where I see disproportionate or unnecessary destruction or force being used by either side.
    What you seem unable to deal with, is that Israelis do WRONG and LIE just like Hamas or any other race on this planet.
    When you can come to the table with honesty and stop trying to place the blame squarely on Hamas, then you will be taken seriously, until then your Bible stories and HIStory lessons, however informative, come across as just biased rhetoric from a sympathizer.

  6. Carlos Avatar
    Carlos

    Technician, come now and lets reason this out, for what you say, IS not logical, fair, nor true, is simply does NOT make sense!

    First, you state:

    “These quotes are not out of context, but shows that the mentality of ANNIHILATION is present on both sides of this conflict.”

    It is an HISTORIC fact, as the records show, THAT the hatred for the Jews, and the Islamic INTENT going way back to Prophet Mohammed in the 7th century, ALL there in the Koran, IS to KILL them any and every where, ANNIHILATION!!!

    This kind of VILE, demonic hatred, IS not recorded as coming from the Jews, historically, towards the Muslims, and they the Jews, had every right to feel this way, as they were BRUTIALLY mistreated, not only during the centuries of dispersion in Arab lands, where they were ‘lawful’ citizens; not to mention, which I’ll deal with tomorrow, how they had to literally run from these Arab states, leaving their properties, land, etc, prevented by the Arab states from ‘selling’ them, and so on.

    The entire concept of ANNIHILATION of one group, against another, came from the Muslims, emanating from the ‘Koran’ and Mohammed in the 7th century, long before the new homeland for the Jews came into being, in 1917, The Balfour Declaration.

    So that if some of the former and most recent Israeli leaders, have after CENTURIES of utter humiliation, hatred, and KILLING of their own people by Islamic states, NOW, express the same kind of anger and hatred toward the Muslims, as you quoted, can you reasonably expect otherwise? Hardly!

    But, the point I want to stress, is this; the state of Israel HAS enough nuclear warheads, for many years, to WIPE all Arab capitals off the face of the earth. YET, she has never even attempted to exercise but a ‘fraction’ of her military might, in fact, whenever she does retalitate, IT IS always from the AGRESSION of the Arabs, as occured in the 1948-49, 1956, 1967, 1973 wars, ALL of which were started by the Arabs, to ANNIHILATE Israel off the earth.

    Right now, Israel could ‘nuke’ them, BUT, she does not.

    Whereas, IF ‘Hamas’ or Hezbollah, Syria or Iran, has the ‘nuke’ power of Israel, she would NOT be in existence.

    To you follow the logic of what I’m saying? Can you reason this out.

    Who are the real ‘Terrorist’ here and historically for the past 700 hundred years. Who has persecuted who, for 700 hundred years, and STILL continue to persecute who?

    The ‘ARABS’ are due what they are getting now; yes, my heart goes out to the civilian population of Gaza, its terrible, to say the least, BUT, who HAS caused it, ‘Hamas’ backed by Iran, and what’s worst, Hamas ‘hide’ and use the civil popualtion as ‘shields’ I cannot fathom how they can do this; why NOT come out like ‘men’ and face the Israli’s instead of hiding behind innocent men, women and children. COWARDS, evil, wicked COWARDS!

  7. Carlos Avatar
    Carlos

    Technician, you obviously DO NOT know the ‘history’ of the Jews, and the VILE, ungodly intent of Islam, especially the Jihadists, like Bin Laden, Hamas, Hezbollah, Syria and Iran, and the mandate they feel they have from ‘Allah’ to convert and control the entire world, either through (us) willingly ‘submitting’ to Islam, OR, by FORCE. Can this be of a god of love?

    Jesus said,’.. love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you…; Allah and Mohammed on the other hand say; ‘Kill the Jew and Christian’ can you reconcile these two diametrically opposed teachings?

    Which one is of the ‘True’ and Living God?

    Go any seriously ponder that; and try and do some reading on the historic facts on this ancient mess.

  8. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    Wow……

    Was that your idea of reasoning???
    I think you have RANTING, RAVING and REASONING mixed up .

    The same spin you put on the Arabs, one could easily put on the Crusades by the Catholic church…..and they were using the Bible too.

    Does every Muslim have to be vile or a terrrorist, if as you say , their God is Satan?

    Didnt the Catholic church want to control the world also? By force and murders….can this be a God of love?

    Wasnt it Bush who said …you are either with us or against us? Was that a christian speaking or a Muslim?

    The problem with the Israelis and the Arabs is that one has the means and is doing it while the other wishes they had …….six is half dozen!!

    So , since you are the expert on this and nothing you say is wrong…I stand corrected and humbly apologise for evoking your ire.

    Guess we will just have to wait for this broadway musical to play out.

  9. Fool Avatar
    Fool

    1) By what road to peace– war until victory, or war until eternity?

    This is what Osama Bin Laden said yesterday: that there would be holy war until the Jews were exterminated.

    2) I back up my statements above about teaching the Palestinian children holy war and the extermination of the Jews; at the following website that monitors the Palestinian media and school text books.

    http://www.pmw.org.il/

    3) When shown that there was an antisemitic site on its bloglist, BU chose to ask its readership whether it was antiSemitic or not. Therefore David *is* anti-Semitic, because he never did admit, nor will he ever admit, that he linked to an anti-Semitic site. So that is how I know. It is hard for me to say this but true. So David, did you actually read the site, as that is your only defence?

    4) BU is caught in its own trap, a DLP friendly blog, one that cannot call its interests to account over the election promises. After 1 year still no declaration of assets from the government, and so logically there never will be one.
    Also the promnise to bring legislation to curb the corruption.
    Meanwhile public funds gone to *missing* houses that may well prove to be someone’s family’s house and apartments for rent.
    That’s the nice cozy feedbag that is being transferred while we wait, hope and pray for integrity 1 year hence. And the reason I say this here is because I am not afraid to tell the truth. If someone says they will do something their word is their bond, and that is how I live my own small life.

    One more thought: only fools talk with fools.
    I’m a fool because I’m talking on an anti-Semitic blog, which is why I chose this name (knowing this to be a fact), but those who talk to me are also fools!

  10. Dissident Avatar
    Dissident

    Technician: “Didn’t the Catholic church want to control the world also? By force and murders….can this be a God of love?: ”

    Technician, how do you make the rational jump from the ‘Catholic Church’ to ‘can this be a God of love’? You appear to be assuming that the Catholic Church and God are one. Wrong!

    You are trying to make the upward leap from the phenomenal to the noumenal [a la Immanuel Kant]. Sorry, can’t be done!

    God was conspicuously absent from the medieval Roman Catholic church, the period in history to which you are referring.

  11. Carlos Avatar
    Carlos

    Technician:

    I do not say this to insult you; but like most others, attempting to deal with this Israeli/Palestinian conflict; you are ‘IGNORANT’ and I used the word advisedly, meaning, ‘lacking knowledge and understanding’ because this issue did NOT start in 1967, with the Six-Day War, or for that matter in 1948.

    This issue IS over 3,700 years old, and unless one has, at least a cursory knowledge and grasp of the Biblical, Historical, and most importantly, the ‘Spiritual’ reality behind this conflict, one is most apt, to make a ‘fool’ of oneself, as is the case with you, and most others.

    Regarding the Roman Catholic church, which is my pet subject, by the way; this ‘Political/Religious Institution, IS, the most, wicked, evil, tyrannical, entity, ever to be granted existence on God’s earth. Masquerading as the ‘One’ true Church, which has caused more harm and disgrace to the cause of ‘Christ’ and His true Church, like no other has.

    Roman Catholicism, IS NOT synonymous with ‘Christianity’ as most believe it to be, she IS the ‘Whore’ of Revelation chapter 17, verses 1-18. Read it for yourself.

    I was intimately connected to the RC church, almost became a Catholic, I know what I’m talking about, have studied this ‘system’ intently for over 20 years; some of the nicest people I know are Catholics, Priest, etc., BUT, they are terribly deceived, as most of humanity are.

  12. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    you mean he lacks YOUR understanding

    ever thought maybe you might be deceived?

  13. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    always incredible to watch religions fight each other over who is the most peaceful

  14. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    the most remarkable thing about a believer is how he is apt to explain why every other belief but is own is wrong !

    will the believers never understand that his arguments apply equally to themselves?

  15. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    please tell me carlos, of the many (hundreds) versions of christianity which is indeed the “true” version?

    help me for I am “not saved”

  16. Adrian Hinds Avatar
    Adrian Hinds

    I am not going to get caught up in the Zionist argument etc. The facts for me is that Israel has existed in one form or the other for a very long time. It has existed in a location that has proven to be of goeopolitical importance to countries that have broad ambitions, and at the same time to other countries wanting to deny those ambitions. This has led to Israel being overun by one empire or the other in three of it’s four manifestations. At some point the question had to be asked and pondered, How do we resist being overun, invaded etc. . It is in the context of this question, and the reference to this latest conflict as the possible start to ww3 that i offered those quotes from Stratfor. Israel’s borders today right or wrong was born out of this necessity. I see similarities to why America purchase the French quarter, and Alaska, and why Russia is willing to freeze Europe until it get a Russian friendly government in Kiev. Russia’s only real viable military base/fleet, is in the Ukraine. Geography is everthing and then some. Even why China will not let go of Tiawan.

  17. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    OMG !!!

    I am ignorant?????

    Because I do not subscribe to your thought and beliefs?
    What makes your religion superior and the right one?
    How do you know that, just like the Catholics, (which you admittedly almost became a member) you are not being deceived also?

    You Carlos are one pompous and arrogant individual ( for lack of a more fitting word) . First it is Allah, who is the devil in disguise, now it it the Catholic….’this ‘Political/Religious Institution, IS, the most, wicked, evil, tyrannical, entity, ever to be granted existence on God’s earth. Masquerading as the ‘One’ true Church, which has caused more harm and disgrace to the cause of ‘Christ’ and His true Church, like no other has.’

    Please enlighten us, the poor, IGNORANT masses, as to who, what or which religion is the ‘TRUE’ one.

    @ Dissident……

    God was conspicuously absent from the medieval Roman Catholic church, the period in history to which you are referring.

    You must really, just now, dropped out of the sky. I dont even know where to start in terms of a reply to this!!!

  18. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @Technician….OMG is right. That is truly laughable. Here you have this hypocritical jackass, where everything he knows as a ‘christian’ he knows from this Bible that was blessed and mandated by the RC church. He is using that SAME Bible to justify mass genocide and theft of the Palestinian peoples and now he’s blasting the RC church. Now doesn’t that tell you that he is AN ASS of the HIGHEST ORDER? And this other MORON here coming up from his puke every five minutes for air. Meddling in foreign affairs that he does not comprehend.
    ‘israel’ is a damn COWARD. I say to give the Palestinians the SAME arms that the zionists devils have and I bet you that this invasion would be over in a minute, simply because the real zionists terrorist are cowards.
    I take my hat off to GREECE for not allowing that shipment of arms from the great whore to pass through their country en route to the zionists. And to Evo Morales in Bolivia for kicking their ass out just like Chavez in Venezuela. Long live MEN of honour.

  19. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    I am truly intrigued by all of the history and geography that has been brought to bare on this issue.But is it relevant?

    From my perspective, it is precisely BECAUSE the Jews purport to be God’s chosen people that makes this ‘war’ a travesty.
    …are ‘God’s people’ not supposed to be the ones who show how we can love our enemies?

    ….what ever happened to turning the other cheek?

    ..why do ‘Gods people’ need American weapons and technology to defend themselves?

    …What manner of people, having themselves experienced such treatment from Nazi Germany, would now dish out the same to starving Palestinians in Gaza?

    …and finally,
    How could anyone defend such BEHAVIOUR in the name of Christ?

  20. Chris Halsall Avatar
    Chris Halsall

    @BT… My Friend. As we resonate on similar (but different) wavelengths…

    IIM. How does, exactly, *anyone* defend their behaviour (their position) now?

    Or… A separate question… Ever?

  21. Carlos Avatar
    Carlos

    @Technician, you are even more ‘Ignorant’ than I thought you to be. “But if any man be IGNORANT, let him be IGNORANT” (1 Cor.14:38) emphasis added.

    @ NOT SAVED: You wouldn’t know; you probably will NEVER know.

    @ HOPI: You obviously are so far up the inner tract of Satan and his emissary’s thoughts, that you must be ‘spitting’ fire out of your mouth by now, as ALL you eat and digest are his coals of fire, laced with utter deceit, lies, falsity, and blatant untruth.

    As God’s Word state:

    “In the lips of him that hath understanding wisdom is found: but a rod is for the back of him that is void of understanding.” (Prov. 10: 13).

    “Wise men lay up knowledge: but the mouth of the foolish is near destruction” (Prov. 10:14).

    “The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise” (Prov. 12:15)

    “A wip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool’s back. (v. 3)

    “Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him” (v.4).

    “Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit” (v.5).
    (Prov. 26: 3-5).

    These verses are complementary rather than contradictory. Although it is unwise to argue with a fool at his level and to recognize his foolish suppositions, there are occasions when it is best to refute him soundly, lest his foolish opinions seem to be confirmed.

    So be it; or literally, so it be!

  22. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    @Chris

    Well it is actually quite easy to understand Israel’s behaviour now…

    They are bullies who are intoxicated with the drunkenness of unlimited access to the most modern weapons available to mankind.

    They are led by people who think short term (2-4 years) and who define security as beating, and keeping, all possible enemies into helplessness.
    They WOULD actually attack Iran- just to deny them access to nuclear technology (which they have had for decades now).

    They treat their neighbours like animals and then ask us to be upset when these neighbours express a desire to see them wiped from the map.

    If these were NOT tagged as ‘God’s people’, Bush Tea would see it as business as usual….just like the USA in Iraq, Panama. With North and South Korea etc.

    God would have expected ‘his people’ to demonstrate to the world how “God’s approach” works.

    i.e. How to treat those who hate you with LOVE.

    How to love your neighbour as you do yourself…. especially those that hate you.

    How to TRUST God’s power and the reality of the SPIRITUAL LAWS to protect and guide you -RATHER THAN LEANING ON F16’s and M5 tanks.

    So what we have is a situation where the ‘chosen examples’ have sunk to the absolute bottom of the heap.

    ….as a result, God will allow the very Palestinian people to come together to build a frighteningly powerful military block – with shocking results for the whole world.

    ….whosoever digs a well, will fall into it..and who live by the sword, shall die by the sword.

    Israel has dug a nuclear well in the Middle East and they continue to live by the sword of their USA supplied weapons.

    The next few years will be the most ‘interesting’ in all history.

  23. Chris Halsall Avatar
    Chris Halsall

    @BT… Please! You are deeper than this. You are better than this…

    Is everything promised nothing but war?

    I truly pray this is not the True Word.

    Please advise.

  24. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    @ Carlos…….

    I would rather remain ignorant than to be a part of ‘your’ religion.

  25. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    @Chris
    What!! you have a problem with messengers? You think the Bush Tea is doing all this? You think that I like it?

    You are much more brilliant than BT – when you look at all the trends, the facts and the realities what do YOU see?
    …utopia?

    Do you understand that technology is such that even a moron like BT could probably build a nuke? (MME probably done build one already – just for fun…LOL) … What do you REALLY expect?

  26. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    Is it arrogance that would cause a person to call another “ignorant”? Carlos, you need to display the attitude and behaviour of a man of peace and love and not one who would insult or put down others to try to prove a point.

    When you come on here you need to be an emissary, if “non-conformers” to your ideas about the Christian religion are to place any credence in what you are saying.

    This is another example of lack of respect. One could even consider you a verbal terrorist; a persecutor; and that is just what Christians always claim; persecution.

    The Israelis are not the same as the Hebrews, Israelites or Jews. These were more of a sect based on the belief in certain scriptures than a race of people and you should know that.

    You remind me of those so-called christians who would come and set up a boom box in front of your house in the middle of the week and blast for two hours in the name of God, without any care for the plight of the children who should be asleep, preparing homework or studying.

    It is an invasion and so long as I don’t want it, it is also a pollution and violation of my right to enjoy the environment in my house. And if you talk to some of them, they will turn up the volume and start to sing harder and then get on the microphone and scream “satan come to mash up them meeting” to the top of their voices.

    Christians? My word!

  27. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    One last thing I forgot. Remember, you shall know them by their fruit. Those who breed that kind of fruit are certainly not Christians. You don’t become a Christian by merely thinking that you are a Christian. It is a consciousness to do the right thing; like the Samaritan.

    You know a Christian by their actions, people. If they don’t act like Christians and their fruits are not good, then they can’t be Christians; more like the proverbial wolf in sheep’s clothing.

    Remember, not all that say Lord! Lord!

  28. Chris Halsall Avatar
    Chris Halsall

    @BT: “What!! you have a problem with messengers?

    Yes. I have a problem with messengers without definitive messages…

    @BT: Do you understand that technology is such that even a moron like BT could probably build a nuke?

    You mean you haven’t, yet? Gosh; you’re slow. I already have in my back pocket an H-Bomb, an A-Bomb, and three dirty bombs. (Had to retain 100 “students” to process 100,000 old watches to get the required material for the last three…) (The NSA will be thinking about that for days…)

    @BT: “…when you look at all the trends, the facts and the realities what do YOU see?

    Lies. And once I look past the lies, I actually see possibility.

    Call me an optimist…

  29. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    Here is a quote for you Carlos,

    Whenever we read … the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize humankind. And, for my own part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel. — Thomas Paine

    This certainly explains your behaviour

  30. Adrian Hinds Avatar
    Adrian Hinds

    Boy Love it how cowards in the face of modern day “radical islam” are such warriors against the dying modern day Christian religion. haha ha ha ha ha had they not been an attack on an Anglican church in addition to the attack at the mosque, one can only imagine what the bajan Nostradameus’s would have been predicting. lol!

    Can we get back to looking at this conflict in the context of th

  31. Adrian Hinds Avatar
    Adrian Hinds

    Can we get back to looking at this conflict and it’s history?

  32. another view Avatar
    another view

    No one here really seems to be interested in the history or the origins of the conflict.

    Most folk here are anti-Semetic and overwhelmed by emotional sentiment, forgetting that one battle or quirmish does not make a war.

    We are well on the way to Armageddon.

  33. Carlos Avatar
    Carlos

    AH and Another View, any number of supossedly grown up (adults) here, can’t reason, with any kind of objective, logic, in the FACE of ‘hard’ historic facts and truth; you’d be better off trying to expain and educate ‘children’then these folkes, they can’t separate the ‘trees’ from the jungle, its a waste of time.

    It most certainly is true, that:

    “Ignorance has something to be said for it; IT gives rise to about 9/10th of the world’s conversational output”

  34. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    Then go start your own history/christian blog and stop trying to ram your views and beliefs down others throats Carlos.

    You belittle and insult anyone who doesnt share your point of view, You believe that you are right about everything, with this mentality, who can reason with such a pompous person?
    At least anyone can read and make their assumption of you (which explains the many who are disgusted by your attitude )
    You really need to take a look at GP……you would do well to take a leaf or two from his book.

    I WILL ask you again…..what, who or where by YOUR definition, is the true religion and it’s god??

    You have already dismissed the Muslims and the Catholics .

  35. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    I will admit I am ignorant because I don’t know everything, but for those who are ignorant and know not that they are ignorant probably are the most ignorant; as you are properly demonstrating.

    No amount of history can justify what the Israelis are doing. Can’t even explain it. Israel is still scattered.

  36. me Avatar
    me

    Ignoreth Carlos …less he smiteth you with his rod! LOL ! He cant help it!

  37. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    @ me…

    lol….rlmao….

  38. Adrian Hinds Avatar
    Adrian Hinds

    ha ha ha ha Oh Lord Carlos, “me” not I, real piss wid you for believing in a book that called “bulling” a sin.

    ROK on the contrary History can indeed explain it and justify it. You see the world has never been the place that “me” and TellMeWhy would like us to believe it is or can be. Man has been covetous of, plotting against, killing one another, and lying about, since Cain and Abel, and that is the truth.

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    Not Saved

    history can explain genocide but it cannot justify it

  40. Carlos Avatar
    Carlos

    Technician:

    To answer your question: “I would ask you again…what, who or where by your defintion, is the true religion and it’s God?”

    If you have the time, go back to BU ‘Palestinians continue To Pay A Penalty For The World’s Misdeeds” 5/1/09. You also made a number of post there as well, dialoguing with GP.

    You will find my brief, but concise answer to Chris H, who said regarding my faith, (Christian Worldview) “Unquestioning faith. The true sign of the weak” which essentially, will answer your question to me.

    Also, I would like very much for you to revist my assertion to you regarding why I said you are ‘ignorant’ which WAS not meant in a general sense at all, this is precisely why I said I used the word ‘ignorant’ ADVISEDLY, meaning in this ‘context’ ‘lacking knowledge and understanding’ of this discussion, the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

    We are ALL ignorant concerning many matters and issues in life, especially regarding certain disciplines, i.e., I’m not knowledgeable about ‘Medicine’ or ‘Law’ or Engineering, etc, etc., so I am ‘Ignorant’ on these subjects, and therefore would seek to ‘ask’ questions on there respective interpretations and so on.

    We must not forget, that in the basic principles of ‘Logic’ the ‘Law’ of ‘Non-Contradiction’ states that two ‘competing ‘Truth’ claims CANNOT be both right at the same time and aspect, we use logic every day in our life, even though we might not realize it.

    Take a look at that previous thread.

  41. Carlos Avatar
    Carlos

    Technician; sorry, my thread as mentioned with Chris H, was posted on January 7, @10:38 pm.

  42. Chris Halsall Avatar
    Chris Halsall

    @Carlos 2009.01.16@1756: “Technician; sorry, my thread as mentioned with Chris H, was posted on January 7, @10:38 pm.

    Carlos. Sir. If you’re going to call my name, please be prepared to speak to what I ask…

    Could you *please* provide a *fully qualified* URL to what you refer to immediately above.

    To be clear, a “full qualified URL” means a very specific thing.

    Please advise.

    Thanks, and kindest regard to all….

  43. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    @ Carlos……..you can spin it any which way you choose.
    Here you go again….you have your views and I have mine so let it end as it is ok….we are ignorant to each others views and understanding of the situation.

    If, as you say, this is prophecy being fulfilled, then there is nothing anyone can do to change the script.

  44. Carlos Avatar
    Carlos

    @Technician….if you can’t understand the basic principles of Logic, which are not biased toward any particular ‘Worldview’ or, for that matter, any other debate, that can only be critically, objectively, and properly analyzed, because, ‘Logic’ which is universal, and points us toward ‘truth’ is prescriptive.

    What are your prescriptive, (Logical) principles, in arriving at your world view?

    If I am ‘ignorant’ to your views, you must present a sound, historical, objective, premise for such a conclusion, which, is conspicuously absent from your argument and views, no coherence at all!

  45. Carlos Avatar
    Carlos

    @ Chris, I did make ‘specific’ reference to the blog on BU, ‘Palestinians To Pay A Penalty For The World’s Misdeeds, on 5/1/09, when you made reference to my Christian faith, by saying:

    “Unquestioning Faith. The true sign of the weak.”

    My response to that, was posted on 7/1/09, @ 10:38pm.

    I’m not too familiar with all of this ‘computer’ jargon, URL, etc., trust that the info given here will satisfy your query.

  46. Chris Halsall Avatar
    Chris Halsall

    @Carlos…

    YOU CALLED MY NAME.

    PLEASE NOW SPEAK TO WHAT I ASKED.

  47. Chris Halsall Avatar
    Chris Halsall

    @Carlos: “I’m not too familiar with all of this ‘computer’ jargon, URL, etc., trust that the info given here will satisfy your query.

    SO YOU ARE AN IGNORANT FOOL. NO SURPRISE THERE.

  48. David Avatar
    David

    We can intellectualize on this matter but …

    We must warn that pictures seen on the link are not for the feint of heart.

  49. Chris Halsall Avatar
    Chris Halsall

    @David. Reset button.

    We really have no idea, do we?

  50. David Avatar
    David

    @Chris

    Truly!

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