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There have been some press reports which have been targeted at BU that have appeared in several fora in the last 24 hours. We will respond in time to many of the inaccuracies which appeared in those reports. We agree that if our message is not to become distorted, our blog has a responsibility to ensure that we don’t contribute to fueling hysteria around this matter. We take this opportunity to reiterate that we strongly believe in a managed immigration policy. We also believe that the impact of multi-ethnic groups on a Black host population should be studied as part of a managed immigration policy. The BU family is aware that we are reluctant to censor, however we want solution oriented discussion. The reports over the last 24 hours should have shown how extreme comments posted on BU can be used by some to extrapolate to positions which we don’t subscribe. Please be guided accordingly.

The following is a Press Release (unedited) issued by the Guyana Consul in Barbados:

The Guyana Consulate in Barbados has dismissed a Kaiteur News news story in Guyana which intimated that last Saturday night’s shooting death of a Guyanese national and the wounding of another in an apparent bungled robbery at a Barbados bar was a premeditated anti-Guyanese attack. “The Consulate has no evidence of this. I read the item in the Guyana press and it was speculative nonsense. It had persons, typically unnamed, claiming that the entertainment establishment was targeted because it was regularly frequented by Guyanese nationals. Aside from the sensationalist speculation , the gist of the report was also factually wrong. Among he errors: there were no six gunmen-only one was apparently involved. From all the available evidence at this juncture including from senior investigative officers of the Barbados police, this was an apparent case of a robbery gone wrong. There are no indications this was a hate crime against Guyanese. Indeed, Barbadians have sympathised with me about this tragedy which could happen in any country.” said Consul Norman Faria.

“As I said at the screening of the commendable movie ON THE MAP about migrant workers in Barbados , progressive and democratic forces including the left have to really get worried and decisively act when anti-foreigner sentiment and xenophobia becomes part of mainstream Barbados politics. While it cannot get directly involved in Barbadian politics, the Consulate monitors the situation and is of the view that, in the main and at this conjuncture, Barbadian political parties, grassroots institutions such as trade unions, credit unions and the churches are still made up of decent, tolerant and democratic minded Barbadians who welcome people from overseas. We sympathise with those who were offended, or earnestly feel that it led to actual racist incidents, by the anti-Guyanese inflammatory rhetoric on talk radio for example. We cannot however translate wild talk from a handful of xenophobes, encouraged by misguided certain talk show hosts themselves, into generalised anti-Guyanese sentiment,” he continued.

The Guyanese Consul went on: “The Guyana Consulate takes very seriously any reports of anti-Guyanese incidents. We have to monitor any attempts to stir up hatred and speak out when necessary. The Consulate has its responsibility and has on many occasions written radio station managements which encourage misinformed or wilful inflammatory views which can only serve to create divisions and racial hatred among working people and which undubtedly embarrasses the majority of decent, tolerant Barbadian people. Following a Consulate communication to the Barbadian police (and copied to a radio station managemnt), there have been some improvements at the stations including call screeners being more awake and responsible. It has nothing to do with freedom of speech. Those who wish to stir up racist feelings and divide people should have no freedom of speech.”

“Consul Faria at the film screening also referred to the MONITORING AND CONTROL-he never used the word CENSOR-of blogs in Barbados. This type of reference is in keeping with progressive trends overseas including in countries like Finland, Turkey and Greece. We can start with forcing those who operate the blogs to have their names and addresses publicly displayed on them. We must respect the traditional freedom of the serious and excellent media in Barbados and commend the rights of Barbadians to express their views. We must respect the Barbados government’s regulatory powers but note that private sector initiatives, perhaps from web server firms, could be a way to start. We must be sensitive and understanding towards well reasoned arguments from Barbadians about migrant workers. The bottom line is that blogs should not serve as a platform for racist and inflammatory wild talk, especially against the backdrop of the region moving towards a meaningful CSME.”

Dead in the Bay Street incident is 27 year old Christopher Anthony Griffith while proprieteress of the Hippo Bar and Caribbean Restuarant, Silochani Samuels, is now a patient at the island’s Queen Elizabeth Hospital. Faria said he has been briefed by the police on the matter, including that the post mortem should be completed on Griffith by Wednesday. Faria said he visited with Samuels at the hospital on Tuesday after the weekend shooting to give her encouragement and offer any assistance from the Consulate on behalf of the Guyana government. “Apparently, the bullet is lodged close to her heart and doctors are keeping her under observation until they make a decsion on the matter,” he said.

Asked if Barbadian police had any leads into the murder, Faria said the police told him they “has some suspects in mind” but that investigations are continuing.


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263 responses to “Shooting In Barbados No Hate Crime Against Guyanese, Report Was Speculative Nonsense – Consul”


  1. So are you saying that Barbados should not put a system in place to keep out criminals as well? @ David
    Are you saying that Barbados should not undertake a skills audit to determine the relevant skills that would be required to help develop Barbados and recruit the immigrant labour to match?
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    Reaganomics is not saying this at all. This is what is needed. And furthermore, Reaganomics is stating that screening for diseases should be done. This makes sense.
    What Reaganomics is absolutely against is racial profiling of any kind. I’m sorry. Reaganomics will not support any “managed migration” policy that discriminates along the line of race. Yes, protect your society from crime, lawlessness and disease, but if you’re heading down the road of “racial discrimination” then that’s wrong. PURE AND SIMPLE


  2. @ David again.

    The AG’s position is not at all at odds with the traditional stance the DLP has taken in respect of CARICOM. So that’s not surprising. This position goes back over 40 year. The DLP has always been nationalistic.

    What is unfortunate about this position, however, is that whereas Barbados was a leader in promoting CARICOM/CSME, it has now retreated.
    The irony is that it has done so while promoting the benefits of the EPA which has a significantly larger number of implementation actions than CSME.
    Go figure. White man still rules! We will cowtow to the EPA but screw our own in CSME.


  3. Michael belle

    Read carefully what I am about to say to you.

    I apologise for taking you at face value and believing you to be honest and credible.

    Your last postings have proven me very wrong on that score -because frankly I find you to be very dishonest and engaging in double speak.

    Yet once again – another bajan falls for guyanese deceit.

    I have answered your post of July 27th @ 11:21 a.m. – point by point.

    But as is usual when faced with the facts you don’t response but throw in some red herring arguments.

    You have been unable to accurately counter my argument point by point.

    I think you owe the prime minister of barbados a little more respect don’t you – because you seem to be calling him a liar – since it was in an earlier post that I pointed out that prime minister thompson himself told the nation about the ’15 adult guyanese living in a 3 bedroom house with one toilet” which he passes every day on his way to work.

    Yet you who is so full of nothing – come on this site and accuse me of exaggerating when I quoted that figure. You come on here telling us you are trained as a planner in this and that and then pulling imaginary immigration numbers out of a hat.

    What planner what.

    You sir,like your countrymen are a fraud – who speak from both side of your mouth.

    You can continue to carry on the conversation with yourself since I realise you are not on this site – seeking truth.


  4. We have a refugee crisis going on in Guyana into to Barbados. Many of you look at TV and see these things happening in Africa and thought it could never happen in the Caribbean. Well,goodluck..


  5. @ Anon

    I think Michael may find it shocking to know that his countrymen are living in these conditions. That’s all.

    @ Michael
    We can take you to places in Belleville right now where your countrymen are living in cramped conditions. All in the city areas and even in the countryside.
    However, this is by their own choice, because (from studies and interviews) they’ll tell you that it’s a sacrifice they’re making for a short period until they return to their families or even send money back to Guyana to build a better home.
    This is no different from Bajans who lived in basements in Brooklyn and sponsored their families until things got better. Many of these people today own their own homes and live in much better conditions.
    This is a normal phenomenon of THE MIGRANT and the type of sacrifice that is made in the first generation; and it’s not unique to indians.
    First generation Irish, Italians and other Europeans lived in very dehumanizing conditions when they moved to America. Chinese immigrants in the US also experience this.
    However, the psychology of the migrant is to be admired because there is a very high level of self-motivation that leads to success and this is what America is built on.


  6. Don’t mistake a refugee crisis with legal immigration.


  7. David your post done derailed – reganomics/peltdownman/ian walcott join in the ‘do’.

    He will continue like this until he fills up this post with rubbish and turn people off – then it is mission accomplished.

    I smile as I read the trite simplistic utterings made by michael belle – telling us look at the last census – see how the poulation has changedetc;

    or

    Don’t you know as your economy grows immigration will follow as job opportunities increase.

    I wonder if he thinks he is talking to dithering idiots here.

    What he is saying is so obvious that even a class one child in hindsbury primary could work that out.

    You think we had to wait from someone in guyana to tell us about doing census,and the like – this is Barbados friend – census are done all the time – however since the BLP did not want the true migrant population figure to be known by the voters, then the matter of conducting a population census naturally would be out of the question.

    Steupes.


  8. @ Anon

    You forgot to add one more name to Reaganomics.

    reganomics/peltdownman/ian walcott/randypersaud


  9. @Reagonomics

    We urge you to stay focused on the points we continue to make in our blogs and not veer to the tangential lured by commenters.

    Have we preached racial profiling? What we have called for is to study the impact of multi-ethnic groups on a stable host(BLACK) population. There is tonnes of scholarly work on this subject. In the same way an organization will design HR policies to respond to the challenges of operating across multi-cultural jurisdictions and the diversity in employees that will result, so too at a country level the same should occur, if we are smart. It does not mean that profiling will has to take place, what it means is that redesign in our education model, health and other social structures would have to change commensurate with the flow of ethnic groups in our PUNY island. BU research supports that the best way to maintain a stable environment is to ensure structures exist which will facilitate integration at a social level. Where immigration will fail is if it is based on economic and geographical models ALONE.

    @GuyanaMan

    The Indo-Indians running from Guyana can’t be labeled refugees. If you check the true definition you will see why. How can an Indo-Guyanaese who represent 50+% of the population under an Indian government be classified a political refugee?

  10. DOCTOR GUYANA Avatar

    Guyana Man , Alright Guyana is a failed state ! Please define failed state? At least your definition of a failed state? You also should STOP comparing Guyana with Barbados, for as you and I know that Guyana is 700 miles from Waini Point in the north to the Kamoa Mountains in the south, and 300 miles across, at its widest point. So for you to come here and talk about water disruptions in a country such as ours, with one such as Barbados with 166 square miles is hogwash. Watch GWI show with Cathy and Company and get an insight as to why water disruptions in certain areas. // 13,000 miles of pipelines alone in a sparsely populated country, so if the lines are broken at Parika, it could be a while before they are fixed, remember now a big country with so few people, so not a big tax base, therefore, not enought money to have people to fix things immediately.

    President Jagdeo is doing his best, and sometimes it is frustrating for him, but to bash him as you have done here Guyana Man is unpatriotic and un-Guyanese. And it is apan jhat, not what you have placed on this board. And that statement has been taken out of context since it was first used in the 1950’s.

    One of you said that Suriname suppressed the Indian population with the army. The coup by Desi Bouterse that toopled Henk Aaaron had nothing to do with race, but more with corruption in govenment. Suriname has no clear cut majority, for there is no black majority so to speak of, it is a multi-ethnic nation of Javanese, Creoles, Djukas, Chinese, Jews, Lebanese, Guyanese, East Indians, white people, Amerindians and so on. Get the facts straight folks, and stop the hate.

    Indian man you write that we now have inter marriages in Guyana, you born yesterday, we have always had that sort of thing in Guyana. Our population is the most polyglot in the region, lots of mixtures in Guyana, so for you to come and say such folly is beyond my imagination. You paint such a grim picture of Guyana, when in reality it is not like that at all. You also claim that nursing, teaching and policing are blue collar jobs. I beg to differ with you for I am a registered burse with a BS degree in nursing, and in not form or fashion am I am blue collar worker. You say all the black people in Guyana are blue collar workers, which I am in totally disagreement with, for it is the exact opposite, most East Indians in Guyana are blue collareworkers, look nothing wrong with that. we need everybody, cane cutter, nurse, taecher, donkey cart driver, and so on. End racism, and get the facts right.


  11. hahaha,it is our resident racist Randy posting under that label. Is too good for you bajans. You allowed these racist in your country in the first place.

    We want the BU family to know that Guyana Man posts in BU under several names: Sista in one of the most recent.

    David


  12. Jay // July 25, 2008 at 10:29 am

    That is NOT as disturbing as this article.Please read all of it.I think it also might explain who Reagonomics=Dr. Randy Persaud ?


  13. bro,u keep harping on apan jhat,that was a typo. But Guyana today is under an apartheid system with Jagdeo and his narco state.

    Using the state mechanism to execute innocent black men he feels is a threat to him.

    And yes Guyana is a failed state,that is why we have that refugee crisis.

    Imagine a country where 1million of it’s citizen live abroad and only 600k live within it’s border.

  14. DOCTOR GUYANA Avatar

    No refugee crisis what so ever! Anyone is free to leave Guyana and come back, granted you have a valid passport that is up to date , birth certificate, NIS card, and so on. People have left Guyana in droves, this is not something new. Nova Scotia has a thriving Black Guyanese population that left British Guiana in the late 19th century. Nothing new. so to say refugee crisis is to stir up trouble for your fellow Guyanese.


  15. @ David
    “What we have called for is to study the impact of multi-ethnic groups on a stable host(BLACK) population. There is tonnes of scholarly work on this subject. In the same way an organization will design HR policies to respond to the challenges of operating across multi-cultural jurisdictions and the diversity in employees that will result, so too at a country level the same should occur, if we are smart. It does not mean that profiling will has to take place, what it means is that redesign in our education model, health and other social structures would have to change commensurate with the flow of ethnic groups in our PUNY island. BU research supports that the best way to maintain a stable environment is to ensure structures exist which will facilitate integration at a social level. Where immigration will fail is if it is based on economic and geographical models ALONE.”
    ******************************************
    Y couldnt you have said this from the get-go. This is fair and just.
    Thank you! Failing that explanation, it was starting to get fuzzy on what you meant by calling for an impact study on flow of other ethnic groups within the context of managed migration.
    Since, as Reagonomics has pointed out, there is a significant body of research and upsurge of advocacy groups that are fighting the managed migration policies of the OECD which have strong elements of “racial discrimination”.
    But thanks for the clarification. So long as BU is not promoting a similar policy then Reaganomics can breathe a sigh of relief and start to regain faith in Barbadian pragmatism.


  16. They are free to come back to be persecuted under this KKK regime that calls itself the PPP. During the world cup a few people I know from Guyana personally call me and ask me for money,so they can get into Barbados,that was the free up time. Tons of Guyanese left Guyana during CWC 2007 and never to return. They are all hiding in Barbados and Trinidad.

    Which Guyanese will stay in Guyana,when 90 miles north there is Trinidad. A stable government,basic utility,many radio staions,choices of TV station..and freedom.


  17. DAVID,
    I have not posted under any other names in this forum. I recently discover this forum when Racist Randy posted that missive in the Guyana newspaper. Before that,I did not know you guys existed.

    Sorry, we meant Doctor Guyana

    David


  18. David:

    The best thing to do is exercise editorial license and remove that. Besides, if DoctorGuyana chooses to use different handles, that’s his right.

    We know why we made the statement and regulars to BU will understand. Just relax Ok?

    David

  19. DOCTOR GUYANA Avatar

    Guyana man you continue with your rhertoric! I hope you are enjoying the many radio stations and so on whereever you are, but I also hope that you are sending a little something back home for family and not being greedy and selfish with your new found freedom and I would guess wealth.

    Some of you are cavalier here, just by the fact that you state your tourists come form the UK so no need to worry about all the racist vile that is posted here. Trsut me you are dead wrong for every curry loving English man, upon coming to this website would stop visiting Barbados in a New York minute. Be careful, because when people google Barbados and this site comes up, and they see underground they are thinking oh, illicit things to do in Barbados, but then they see the racist diatribe posted here, and say forget Barbabdos, too racist and angry of a place, bad vibes.

    I heard most of you all here are Guyanese! The GOB needs to route you all off the internet.


  20. We want to put things in perspective and say that many of the commenters representing Guyana are doing so from the USA and other developed countries. We want to hear from Guyanese based in Guyana as well.


  21. Google โ€œKaieteur Newsโ€ today Saturday July 26 issue. Go to โ€œLettersโ€ and click on a long letter to the Editor written by one Dr. Randy Persaud. The headline reads : Bajans, Guyanese and the politics of hate.
    email address: Kaieteurnews @yahoo.com
    We all need to let readers in Guyana know how we feel. Earlier this week they made certain charges about us with regard to the shooting at the bar on Bay street. People, I say we need to fight back by emailing newspapers in Guyana expressing our disgust. This situation created by OWEN Arthur could get ugly
    *******************************************

    Look, Randy Persaud does not speak for Guyana. He speaks for a racial element in Guyana. No one is applauding this criminal act that saw the deaths of several persons. But the supporter of Government that remained silent while hundreds were murdered by drug traficking vigilantes is the last person to be pointing fingers at Barbados where the rule of law and operations of the Law enforcement is eons ahead of Guyana.

    Randy Persaud and many like him who support the PPP Government would not go back to Guyana and live under their rule. He is an ethnicist who glorifies in the idea that his ethnicity is supreme in Guyana, and attacks anyone who dares to challenge his triumphalistic views.

    Look, Bardadians need to become hip to the guilt trip strategies employed by some of these Indoists who believe that blacks in the Caribbean are Dalits and that they as Brahmins superior, and have a right to revel in that sense of superiority. They have re-defined racism to mean challenging them on this right. It is a devious and machiavellian strategy that people need to become hip to, and not be lured into maintaining silence because of fear of such labelling. To hell with all of those with this mindset I say.


  22. ******************************************
    Guyanaman wrote:
    They are free to come back to be persecuted under this KKK regime that calls itself the PPP. During the world cup a few people I know from Guyana personally call me and ask me for money,so they can get into Barbados,that was the free up time. Tons of Guyanese left Guyana during CWC 2007 and never to return. They are all hiding in Barbados and Trinidad.

    Which Guyanese will stay in Guyana,when 90 miles north there is Trinidad. A stable government,basic utility,many radio staions,choices of TV station..and freedom.

    I am pleased to see that some Guyanese are finding these blogs and putting the truth out there. If you go to some of the blogs populated by the Richmond Hill Queens segment of the Guyanese population you will see blatant descriptions and equations of African Guyanese using all the slurs and innuendos native to0 the old American South. Then they come on blogs like these and attempt to label others as racist.

    The BBC has a tape with indian Guyanese calling African Guyanese “black dogs”. Not one of these bloody sobs who come here and jive about intolerance ever rasied their voices in objections to this. After the US arrested some Guyanese black muslims for planning a terrorist act, Albert Baldeo, a Guyanese Lawyer from Richmond Hill Queens went to great lengths to explain to white journalist how as Infians and Hindus they were different from the black population of Guyana. None of those who come here and blah blah had any problem with that.

    These racist who come here and try to cow people into silence over exposure of a behaviour and attitude that is native to Guyana and Trinidad as sugar and steel pan respectively need to be told to go take a hike. We need to cease pretending that their outpourings are pleas for tolerance and see them for what they are. A clever effort to convince people they have a big foot, so that these people would not examine theirs.


  23. Tony Hall // July 27, 2008 at 9:08 am

    Adrian,
    I startred the ball rolling by sending the below email to Dr. Persaud demanding an apology. Failing to do so I shall forge ahead.
    =================================

    Good going Tony. I intend to follow suite, in addition to the other things i mentioned earlier.


  24. Ruel Daniels // July 27, 2008 at 5:06 pm
    says:

    Randy Persaud and many like him who support the PPP Government would not go back to Guyana and live under their rule. He is an ethnicist who glorifies in the idea that his ethnicity is supreme in Guyana, and attacks anyone who dares to challenge his triumphalistic views.
    =================================

    Do you have any proof of this? and will you be willing to share it with us. I intend to expose Randy to his faculty collegues and student body of American University for them to decide how they relate to him going forward.

  25. Michael Belle Avatar

    David,

    Thanks for keeping the discussion on track. As far as I understand we are exchanging ideas and opinions, not forming a posse chasing the steel donkeys of Guyanese immigration. That said I have to make my positions clear.

    Anon:

    David Thompson does pass a house everyday wid 15 Guyanese living in it. He count them and he ain’t call immigration!!!!!. And this is the man all you got running the place. How many more guyanese living 15 a piece in a house. If half the Guyanese are living at least ten to a squat. Another half must be living better. Based on one observation by the PM we get to the point that the whole group living like the Haitains in some countries. Taking turns sleeping in the same bed. Bedsharing is done by young single male immigrants. Is this the case in B’dos. In this case watch your women!!!

    Reaganomics.

    Will drop you a line. I lived in Europe from the time free movement of goods and persons was debated then introduced as the European Union evolved. The same fears were expressed as in the case of the CSME. From France I heard that millions of poor Portuguese or Poles would be flooding the place. I warned then that it would never happen because immigration never happens like that. The absorptive capacity of the host country, meaning strength of economy, cultural affinity etc were factors that determine flows. Overall regional employment rates and the labour mobility factors (bachelorhood, high education, linguistic similarity, historical emigration patterns, availability of schools, homes, salary differentials between point A and point B etc. ) have to be factored in.

    The Indo-Guyanese case is similar to the case of the Arab and African immigration into Europe (or Turkish into Germany) . Cultural differences will create strains. The ethno-social hierarchy is challenged. The French have managed to get to the point where the Arab and African populations are effectively marginalised. If Dr Hillary Beckles says the white/black divide in barbados is still a problem can Barbados deal with massive non black immigration?

    Britain with the Indian and Chinese waves have done a better job os accepting and handling migrants, but still the social project is to prevent the non-European immigrants from imposing a sometimes questionable social practice on the natives.

    I don’t think CSME will result in mass transfers of population to B’dos.

    1) Barbados is not perceived as a prime destination. Canada and the USA where a lot of islanders can go to without visas, is preferred.

    2) Barbados will be a way station to those places by some Caricom nationals/islanders who will simply be seeking a Bajan passport and the visa-free mobility it guarantees. In other words they will stick around, get residence and coitizenship and then transfer to Toronto etc. Barbados is just not rich enough to retain ambitious Indians.

    3) Trinidad and Tobago is the only other country with an economy vibrant enough to attract immigration. Repatriating money, high unemployment and crime and other factors will help make Trinidad a country of limited appeal.

    4) Countries with excess labour that can send immigrants to other islands are few. The Eastern caribbean economies have shown reasonable growth and any emigration that there is has been to extra Caribbean countries. Even so, who, from the islands is hiding out in Bim right now? Or is it only Guyanese from South America?

    5) The overall Caribbean labour force is too small for there to be such massive movement as to create desequilibria on the scale Bajans fear

    6) etc. Don’t want to go on too long but suffice it to say that no regional free movement regime, in Europe or Africa, has led to the level of labour transfers that are feared. There have been , in Africa, as in Kenya recently, Gabon, Cameroon and the Southern cone, cases of refugee movement from war, and economic movement from joblessness and with it occasional violence against immigrants. The ebb and flow has led to beating up of foreigners as in Libya. But we are talking about different conditions.

    Bajans should realise, without overstating the case, that the immigration will stop as soon as a critical point is reached. The critical point can be calculated or surmised. How we can guess where the critical point is will be explained later. If your economy is growing by X % per annum and labour demands increase by Y% then your country will need 15 Guyanese per house. If the growth is sufficiently sustained to ensure that emigrants put down roots and a second generation sprouts on your soil -ripping off old men, whoring, and posiing as carpenters- then it could only mean that the economy is in equilibrium. What is your current unemployment rate?

    Anon:

    The Indian presence, frankly, will not be easy to integrate. But. Indians are going to Canada and the States. The few in Barbados will give you guys a run for your money. However, seriously I don’t know enough of the situation to say if it will become like Guyana. If they reach critical mass then they can reproduce their culture. The culture is inward looking to a great extent. By the time they have Anon shackled to a punt/barge pulling cane on railtrack or canal, he will look back at this discussion and damn the day he didn’t start a one man hunger strike below the Nelson statue. Outside parliament buildings or the immigration office. The Indian Chief of Immigration who is now in his mother’s womb will make sure Anon get what’s coming..

    Dr G

    Did the coup in Suriname have anything to do with race? Not directly, but, I am told by Surinamers, it was one of the issues the Creoles considered. Don’t forget at the time the Indians were seen as traitors by many. Why? They disproportionately sought and got Dutch citizenship and shipped out in great numbers at independence. Vagrants and opportunists and unpatriotic etc are labels that have stuck to them even though they have done a great deal for Suriname.


  26. Ruel Daniels // July 27, 2008 at 5:18 pm
    Guyanaman wrote:

    I am pleased to see that some Guyanese are finding these blogs and putting the truth out there. If you go to some of the blogs populated by the Richmond Hill Queens segment of the Guyanese population you will see blatant descriptions and equations of African Guyanese using all the slurs and innuendos native to0 the old American South. Then they come on blogs like these and attempt to label others as racist.
    =================================

    I will do a search, but can you place the url here so that all can see the evidence of what we know be true?


  27. david: the people in Guyana would think twicw about getting on this blog unless they aaare assured they cannot be tracked.

    Read Doctor Guyana (another ghost writer for the PPP)
    “I heard most of you all here are Guyanese! The GOB needs to route you all off the internet.” He also says to Guyana Man that he should not criticize Guyana and that he should send money home… that all fits into the PPP plan of control of people and being supported by their “people exports”. Jagdeo recently made a speech in NYC where he sais that he is training doctors, nurses, teachers and skilled people in great quantities so that there will be enough to service Guyana’s needs as well as for export. .. as he says he cannot stop people from emigrating. .. What a lame solution to really solving the main question: ” Why are Guyanese leaving in such numbers, and what can he do to make Guyana an attractive place to live in, visit, return to and an attraction for immigrants.

    Mind you, Guyana PPP will not be welcoming immigrants from Caricom in large numbers if they felt that would destabilize their slight majority of Indians who control almost everything there that relates to big bucks. Do you see that government accepting Hatians in great numbers if Haiti is given full Caricom access and free movement becomes a reality?

    Let us accept the realities as they are NOW:

    Caricom is a failure as independent states have kept their individual nationalism and have used it for mainly trade and now ith the CSME, easier investment by regional companies. It keeps many highly paid “technocrats” emploted but is basically a talk shop, where implementation of agreements are minimal.

    CSME benefits very few people, mainly businessmen and the select few who are graduates, musisians etc. Artisans and shilled workers were supposed to have free movement by now, but that has been delayed as there is no proper implementation. It will fail as CSME will fail. Free trade and investment does not require a market and economy, and the region will not fail without CSME as some think. It has already failed and so has Caricom. Territories have to understand this reality and stop pretending that the”king” is not naked. Many have said similar things on various threads on this and other blogs.

    When The DLP was sworn in at Kensington Oval, Prime Minister Thompson introduced the honoured leaders of the Cayman Islands and Dominica. He also mentioned then and later about greater agricultural trade with Dominica and the OECS islands… The Guyanese farm exporters to Barbados did not like that at all. Barbados has to actively start helping islands, like Dominica to support their farming and economy by importing their products… Use the idle fishing boats to start this process.

    The Cayman Islands have an excellent managed immigration system. Using their expertise and tracking systems should make for speedy implementation in Barbados.

    All illegal immigrants in Barbados, from anywhere will be asked to leave within six months. If they want to return they can apply for a visa and they will be accepted based on their skills and needs in Barbados. Some have called for a review of all “permits” for Barbadian citizenship and residency, in the last 15 years and suspect ones ahould be canceled… as a lot of them are suspect…. I agree with that!

    Illegal immigrants should be told that those who do not take up on the six month window to leave Barbados,would be incarcerated at the empty Glendairy prison until they can afford to pay their way home. Barbados will not be responsible for paying the fare for people who break its laws knowingly.

    The cleanup campaign by Barbados will NOT adversely affect tourism as the PPP ghost writers and mouthpieces are saying….. It will help tourism as Barbados cannot afford to have the riff raff of any country being exported here to live a life of crime and be a burden on the social and other services. Development of high end tourism fits well with “managed immigration”. Cayman Islands is prospering as well as Bermuda with their policies based on managed immigration.

    The cleanup campaign will affect people from many countries, including Europeans living in Barbados illegally. Work permits can then be applied for after they like all the others leave… and these permits should only be for one year. persons committing serious crimes will be deported to wherever they are from. Barbadians have to take charge of their country or there will be no “real Barbados” in a few years to talk about.

    It may already be too late, but some action has to be implemented. This has been, for too long, a rudderless situation where there is no leadership. Where there is no firm leadership others with their own agenda will take charge… You well know who these people are…

    Insight


  28. ****************************************
    David
    The other point suggest that indians and we have seen it in the Chinese population as well are clannish. If this behaviour is consistent and the immigrant population is unchecked is it reasonable to assume that social cohesion within the groups in the host population should be managed
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    David this behaviour is beyond clannish. It is racist. It came to Guyana and Trinidad with some of the indentured labourers, many of whom were at the back of the bus while they were in India. But when they got to the Caribbean and saw a large population of people dark like them but with curly hair, they immediately underwent an inverse proportional psychological transformation. The blacks became the dalits they were back in India, and they rose to the level of Brahmins.

    Look, not all Indians are like that. And many who live as Indians but are mixed tell stories of discrimination by family members because of their black blood. Some Indians in Guyana boast that they would kill their daughters if she dated or slept with a black man.

    As for that guy who describes himself as indian something talk about Indians being driven out of Linden, what he neglected to mention was that blacks were driven out of several villages on the Corentyne, and that Indians who were sent to Cuba for guerilla training returned and and were retaliating tit for tat with terrorist acts , like the bombing of the Sun Chapman that was filled with African Guyanese. Don’t let them convince you that it was a one sided affair. Read Freddie Kissoon’s column in today’s Kaieteurnews and get a glimpse of what we are dealing with in Guyana. Read the writings of Eusi Kwayanna, and get the gist of the history of violence in Guyana. Guyana is not a democracy, it is an ethnocracy.

  29. Michael Belle Avatar

    Ruel D,

    What you say is 100% true. The GNI “guyanafriends” forum is a good example. Blacks are described as brutes, animals, dogs, criminals etc.

    These poor Barbadians don’t know what they have coming. May God have mercy on their souls.

    Annon: read what Ruel has said and do not fail to venture out of your house appropriately armed.


  30. I’m from guyana and the racist picture painted by these so called guyanese are truly heart breaking guyana is a peaceful society but in which many hostilities are harboured but this hostility was created by the politicians mainly the PNC saying that the PPP discriminate against afro-guyanese but this is totally not true many african communities are even more developed than the indian communities some with better hospitals, roads,housing,water,etc. This visible in their everyday life but there is still this racist slang used by the PNC which it uses to get it’s votes but with the PPP gaining 54% votes indians don’t make up 54% of the population many africans also voted for them.


  31. Do you have any proof of this? and will you be willing to share it with us. I intend to expose Randy to his faculty collegues and student body of American University for them to decide how they relate to him going forward
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    The proof is in his writings. He has written letters excusing the vigilante killings of more than 200 young blackmen by a gang led by twice convicted felon who fled American Justice, and who is now in a US prison awaiting trial for drug trafficking. African Americans who have experienced a history of vigilante justice should be able to relate to that. Access the PNC website and you will find an affidavit by an Indian named George Bacchus who exposed the them Minister of Home Affairs Ronald Gajraj, and who along with his brother were subsequently gunned down. Ronald Waddell, a blck activists was gunned down in front of his home. The Guyana Government only offer rewards for killings when the victims are Indians. Ask Randy Persaud to explain this.


  32. guyana man is a tout of from the PNC run rickforde burke organisation or a full blow pnc activist in guyana making their racist selves known.


  33. http://guyanaprovidencestadium.blogspot.com/2008/07/guyana-set-of-dotish-afro-guyanese.html

    click the keyword dotish on this Indian’s blog and see the image he attaches the word to. A group of young black kids


  34. Disgusted give me a break. Some Indians have been discriminatiiong against blacks from the time they first came to Guyana. Some Indian merchants have one price for blacks and another for Indians.

    The PNC did not start racial politics. Why should they, blacks are the minority, so they had nothing to gain from racial polls. The PPP started racial politics. This ignorant illogical reasoning you bring here should have been left under the bottom house where it was constructed


  35. The PPP started the politics of apaan jaat. The first person to die in racial violence was a blackman who was killed by a group of triumpant Indians after the PPP won the first elections back in the day. Eusi Kwayanna wrote about this. Indians always point to the fact that Kwayanna condemned criminals hiding and operating out of Buxton, but they do not attach the same level of credibility when he writes about political violence in Guyana. Here is a letter Kwayanna recently wrote to the Stabroeknews:

    Dear Editor,

    The phrase โ€˜elected dictatorshipโ€™ was used in relation to the governmentโ€™s veto of 39 EU micro-funded projects, not their โ€˜delayโ€™Dear Editor,

    I am responding to the issue of an elected dictatorship, in which it seems Mr Dev and a person whose name I do not know were in some exchanges. I have seen Mr Devโ€™s column โ€˜Elected dictatorshipโ€™ in Kaieteur News (July 13) e-mailed to me by a friend.

    At once I want to say that I used the phrase โ€œelected dictatorship,โ€ but not over โ€œgovernmentโ€™s delay in approving 39 EU funded projects,โ€ as Mr Dev puts it. I understood that there was a veto of the 39 and used the term โ€œelected dictatorshipโ€ in relation to that. People do not have to say โ€œno comment at this timeโ€ if all they are doing is โ€˜delayingโ€™ approval. It was in Parliament, when pressed by MP Williams, that the Minister for micro-projects made the answer that may be seen as saying that there was a delay. Other MPs should have pinned the Minister down. Everything, even this argument, has a history.

    I spent years in the โ€™70s in the WPA trying to explain to human rights organizations and also to the PPP leadership that we were experiencing a dictatorship. The PPP leadership would only go as far as โ€˜semi-dictatorship.โ€™ At the highest level they argued that there was no blood in the streets, no this, no that โ€“ therefore it was a semi-dictatorship. They then conceded a โ€œcreepingโ€ dictatorship. I had to produce a document listing rights that had been lost since 1964. A copy exists somewhere.

    At the time of that argument the PPP had not yet accepted the idea of a parliamentary dictatorship. When a Canadian statesman suggested the phrase to him in relation to Guyana the General Secretary, Dr Cheddi Jagan, began to toy with the description. There have, then, been disagreements about these matters. For some people, an anti-imperialist stand and relations with certain countries, with their โ€˜friends,โ€™ blinded them to the importance of what people suffered. For others, a government governed mainly at home.

    I really do not care what others call the PPP, really, if we can agree on its behaviour. Experience in Guyana is a textbook for me and I do not go first to other textbooks to be informed or tutored about that particular subject, not in the past and not now. Of course I read the scholars who are excellent at what they do. I understand Mr Devโ€™s position, I hope. From his location it is a reasonable one.

    In fact I convinced others that the PNC was in government a dictatorship on the very ground that it could not be removed by an election. To test this, I argued with civic organisations that there should be an independent study of our electoral laws to see whether a fair election was possible under them. After some years the GHRA agreed to request such an investigation. The alert Mr Burnham did not allow the members of the probe team to come to Guyana, and a number of us, political and civic, travelled to Trinidad and Tobago to be interviewed by them. The first executive President passed away, and I completed the work of demonstrating through the courts, against the pleadings of the government law geniuses, that our electoral administration offended the constitution. Mr BE Gibson was one of the few to see my point. I stumbled on this by reading the fine print of gazetted materials. The PPP in its 28 years in opposition had not done so, simply because they and their lawyers used the UK as an electoral model and missed the differences.

    Now the issue is posed in a different setting. There is a government resulting from freely counted votes, even allowing for the unnecessary cheating. There is also that extra seat which the PPP enjoys, apparently with the consent of its fellows in parliament.

    My proposal on this issue did not cut ice.

    Mr Dev allows, โ€œThe PPP has been guilty of acting in an authoritarian or dictatorial manner on occasionโ€ and advises caution: โ€œbut this is a far cry from asserting that there is a dictatorship in place here and now while there are no restraints on voting the rascals out of office.โ€ He also correctly points to the fact of a written constitution which the courts are authorized to uphold, although most plaintiffs would normally (and unfairly) have to be able to afford competent counsel.

    Here we enter on tricky land. Mr Dev is slipping into an arithmetical definition of dictatorship. To follow him I must ask where do we find the number of โ€œoccasionsโ€ allowed a government for authoritarian or dictatorial acts before it becomes a dictatorship. Clearly there is no authority on this, not in our constitution.

    If we are to speak of the written constitution as amended, then we have to say that it is not a moody document. Parliament can be adjourned and prorogued, dissolved, but the constitution cannot be put on recess at will.

    Then there is the much forgotten oath of office. Those who take this oath are not undertaking to uphold the constitution when it suits their mood or their agendas. The oath does not go on holiday during the tenure of office.

    Now, to go to another arithmetical mystery; we do not know how many โ€œauthoritarian or dictatorialโ€ acts are hidden and do not come to light. Mr Oโ€™Lallโ€™s interview with Mr Frederick Kissoon was most revealing. When we thought that Mr Gibsonโ€™s long activity at the bar had sufficiently warned governments against that kind of behaviour, there goes the axe against one of the fold. And all we get from his cowardly fellow members after his passing is, โ€œHe was a good comrade.โ€

    Then there was torture, ordered from above, because it is so much protected from above. The prearrangements of this torture of the two young men from Buxton, as a start, it seems, were sinister and irresponsible in a multi-ethnic society. It seemed all of a piece with the torture of the treason accused under the previous regime.

    But Mr Dev has made me go where I had not intended to go at this moment. Now I shall have to develop this evaluation.

    It seems to me more rational to form, not rashly, but to form an opinion of the quality of governance rather than be guided by the number or frequency of its known violations. Here I go off on one of my senior, but useful, tangents. The political occupation seems to enjoy wide licence for its offences and more apology than others. Here is a public official or a company finance officer. This person steals a hundred thousand or double that amount, but does so โ€œonlyโ€ once a year, when the school fees of the offspring become due.

    Can we say that this officer is otherwise quite an honest officer? Or take a husband who abuses a younger relative living with the family, but only does so on occasion, say when he drinks. The taxi-driver is a known daredevil, but carries overload and speeds โ€œonlyโ€ on his first two and last two trips.

    We hear of โ€œzero toleranceโ€ of all these offences but not the political.

    Mr Dev seems to be inviting me to give an opinion whether the post-elections violence starting in 2001 by what I prefer to call certain supporters of the cause of an opposition party has helped the PPP to secure its base. This is like asking whether heavy rainfall leaves the earth wet.

    I can speak at first hand, since the behaviour of PPP supporters documented by me was one of the factors causing me to make every possible allowance for the Kabaka until he had had, like his rival, his seven years. I found later that Brother Moses Bhagwan independently applied a similar seven-year formula.

    I have not seen the exchanges between him and the other person he described in his July 13 column. I note his fear that calling the PPP an โ€œelected dictatorshipโ€ might serve to justify the 2001 long-lasting post-electoral violence. It is a pity that any recent analysis if true, should be avoided for that reason. To me, nothing can justify that development, then, or now.

    Since I do not have a column, I must merely note the discussion on the tyranny of the majority and on lack of โ€œrestraintโ€ on voters from removing, say, the present ruling party. There is much to be said on both.

    The โ€˜tyranny of the majorityโ€™ in almost all cases of its use can blame innocent people within the majority. In the Rodney days, when the fear of gunfire was much confined, we placed special responsibilities on community majorities to protect minorities. Using the phrase on a national scale, as Mr Dev and the scholarly tradition do, is tempting, but unfair to many assumed to be part of that majority. We are on much more solid ground applying it to the known persons making up the Parliament, that is the National Assembly and the President. Here we find, not democracy, but a tyranny over the majority of the National Assembly, or the assembly as a whole.

    The President has a reputation for failing to give assent to, or โ€œsigningโ€ bills passed by the National Asssembly. In 2006 there were about ten of them.

    They included the Labour Amendment Bill 2006, Holiday with Pay Amendment Bill 2006, Employment of Young Persons and Children Amendment Bill 2006, Consumer Protection Bill 2006, etc. I cannot say whether that formed part of the all-party petition to Caricom.

    If the President does not sign such bills within the time fixed he is bound to give reasons to the National Assembly. Some court may tell us some day that these are not โ€œmandatory.โ€

    Yours faithfully,

    Yours faithfully,
    Eusi Kwayana


  36. ******************************************
    quote
    I can speak at first hand, since the behaviour of PPP supporters documented by me was one of the factors causing me to make every possible allowance for the Kabaka until he had had, like his rival, his seven years. I found later that Brother Moses Bhagwan independently applied a similar seven-year formula.
    *******************************************

    This is a reference to the triumpalistic attitudes of PPP supporters after that first election I referenced. What MR Kwayanna is saying, is the he gave Burnham seven years grace after the PNC came into power because of such attitudes and behaviour. Indians wedded to the PPP seek to revise history and reality by blaming blacks for racism.

    Tell me about any majority Indian society where a large amount of blacks can go and live in and find equality. For 28 years while Burnham was in power not one pro black organization was formed, neither was one pro black national holiday declared. Examine the difference under the PPP. All you need to do is to examine these things to see who are more motivated by race and ethnicity in their behaviours.


  37. Here is Freddie Kissoon’s column for today:

    Freddie Kissoon Column

    Oh, the things this government gets away with!

    If there is any ruler turning in his grave, it is Forbes Burnham. Reaching out from his mausoleum in the Botanic Gardens, Burnham asks his perpetual question: Why did you guys fight me down?

    Look what a baby party I was in comparison to what the Guyana Government is at the moment.

    If there is any opposition leader that is turning in his grave, it is Walter Rodney. From his wrongful burial place in Le Repentir Cemetery, Walter shakes his head in sempiternal anger and cries out loudly at what has replaced the man whose rule he helped to weaken. That man was Forbes Burnham.

    Walter Rodneys soul is tormented by the shadow of Arnold Rampersaud. Rampersaud was found not guilty at his third trial after two indecisive jury verdicts.

    On the third occasion, a predominantly African jury acquitted Rampersaud. The decisive intervention was the personality, charisma and national influence of Walter Rodney.

    If there is anything I will forever remember about Walter Rodney were his words about Rampersaud directed to the African people of Guyana.

    In many ways, Barack Obama has the semantic flair of Walter Rodney. Speaking at a public meeting in Georgetown, Walter appealed to African Guyanese not to hang Rampersaud.

    He told his listeners that Burnham was using African Guyanese to kill a man just because he was East Indian. Then the part that moved me emotionally and will forever live in my soul came.

    It was when Walter said that Burnhams attempt to use an African jury to hang an East Indian was an insult to African Guyanese who are a proud people who should never let their dignity be so tarnished.

    Shortly after that magnificent speech, perhaps the best ever made at a political meeting in this country, the jury returned a not guilty verdict.

    Rampersaud was driven out of the courtyard, onto Robb Street and then taken to Freedom House. It was at that trial I came to know the great Maurice Bishop who flew in from Grenada to join the defence team.

    Rampersaud got refugee status in Canada. He is in his seventies now but he owes the morality and integrity of this nation a huge obligation.

    He ought to acknowledge that Mark Benschop was wrongfully imprisoned. Rampersaud spent two years in remand before his trial. Benschop spent five.

    Rampersaud should show his moral obligation to Oliver Hinckson by joining the chorus for bail. Surely Rampersaud must see the thing that he has in common with Benschop and Hinckson.

    If Rampersaud is reading this, I hope he fulfills his duty to this country. I cannot discuss the Hinckson trial on this page because it is sub judice.

    Suffice it to say that not only the PNC but the AFC, the GHRA and other organisations do not think Mr. Hinckson should have been charged.

    So what do Forbes Burnham and Walter Rodney have in common? They are both turning in their graves at the political atrophy that has smothered this territory; for different reasons, of course.

    Burnham wants to know what the fuss was all about on how he ruled Guyana when the PPP is more shameless than him.

    Walter Rodney lives in anguish on the failure of his heroic efforts, for which he gave his life to make Guyana a more humane and democratic country. These two men cannot believe what they are seeing in their beloved Guyana today.

    The things that this government gets away with, Burnham would not have allowed and Rodney would have struggled against. A company gets prodigious concessions that were outside the law.

    The particular legislation is being amended and will apply retroactively to benefit the said business entity.

    A magistrate shoots a policeman and the society hears nothing further after one month. The police have an accused in the massacre of eight miners and no one knows who he is or where he is.

    A prisoner was reportedly beaten to death by members of the army or prison service and no explanation is given to the people of Guyana.

    A hotel is being built in Kingston and the name of the investor(s) is deliberately withheld from the public.

    A man is charged with fraud involving maybe hundreds of millions of dollars and a junior policewoman is the prosecutor. A request by two lawyers to prosecute pro bono has not met with an answer from the DPP.

    A magistrate grants bail to a citizen who is not the type to abscond but the Attorney-General applies for a suspension of that decision from a judge and obtains it.

    One daily newspaper was victimized for two years. Another daily runs a front page comment complaining to the Guyanese people that it senses victimization for exposing one of Guyanas most perverted financial scandals. These are just the tip of the iceberg.

  38. DOCTOR GUYANA Avatar

    Stop this racial hatred of people, stop it at once! Ruel, please get your facts right, Providence blog is not an East Indian, please stop this foolishness. I repeat Providence Blog is not an East Indian, or are not East Indians. There are other people in Guyana besides East Indians. Stop the hate and so on. Stop! and let the love of Jesus Christ prevail for your fellow Guyanese. Racism is a killer, so stop.


  39. ****************************************
    This visible in their everyday life but there is still this racist slang used by the PNC which it uses to get itโ€™s votes but with the PPP gaining 54% votes indians donโ€™t make up 54% of the population many africans also voted for them.
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    This is the kind of idiotic reasoning they put out here believeing that we are stupid like they wer taught. Let’s examine it. Lets say that Guyana had ten people eligible to vote, and six voted. Let’s say the PPP got four of those votes, winning thus %60 plus of the votes cast. Can that prove that it is a multi racial party or that the overwhelming majority of people who voted for that party were not Indians.

    This is a microcosmic example of the results of the last elections. What it demonstrates is how devious and deceitful the arguments presented in favour of the PPP are.

    That the presenter feels comfortable advancing them on a board like this is evidence of either a poor intellect, or faith in a cultural stereotype that since this is a Barbadian Blog and Barbadians are mostly black people, the people he or she is likely to find here will be of poor intellect. They cannot mask their deceit and prejudice.


  40. So why does the blog have that statment about dotish African Guyanese and point you to a group of young black people. You defend the blog wihout making reference to that, Why?


  41. The caption reads “another set of dotish African Guyanese”. Dotish is a link, and when clicked it takes you to an article about a tragic accident at Land of Canaan in which five kids from an African Guyanese extended family were killed.

    Note how Doctor Guyana completely ignored this but stridently accused me of being racist. And that is the central problem in Guyana today. Like I said, racism has been re-defined to describe any pointing out, or drawing to, overt or covert racist behaviour against blacks in Guyana.

    Why don’t you challenge those who control that blog to stop that kind of insensitive intolerance?


  42. @ Guyana man,

    Your writing style reminds me of Negroman somewhat.

    I don’t agree with your comments surrounding Caricom & Barbados being responsible for Guyana’s failures,but some of the latter statements seem to be quite honest & ‘real’. I look forward to hearing more on this subject from you specifically pertaining to the conditions in Guyana.

    @ David,That is good to know & explains some of the comments.Here in the United States ANYONE knows that immigration policies have been strictly enforced in the last 2-3 years & any “Comprehensive Immigration policy” including amnesty has been thwarted twice in ’06 & ’07. .The immigration prospects also do not look good after the elections,hence why Barbados might look like a a good third ticket.Heck,even the U.K. & Canada have introduced ‘managed migration’ policies so only to attract the best & brightest,why not Barbados ?

    It makes me wonder if because of the main OECD countries are tightening their immigration laws & some people are self-deporting if by an odd chance it is not back to their countries of origin but to other smaller lesser known destinations that might not create too much of a hassle like say,Barbados ?
    ——————-
    Micheal Belle said :

    2) Barbados will be a way station to those places by some Caricom nationals/islanders who will simply be seeking a Bajan passport and the visa-free mobility it guarantees. In other words they will stick around, get residence and coitizenship and then transfer to Toronto etc. Barbados is just not rich enough to retain ambitious Indians.

    —————————-

    Thank you for proving my past point.The recent EPA deal allowed Barbados,The Bahamas & Antigua to get visa free status to Europe[has to be further ratified by the Eu Parliament & EU countries”] AKA the dreaded Schengen visa.It is the toughest visa to get by today’s standards.We would basically lose that if ANY AMNESTY was given.Don’t believe it would happen ? Why do think the UK warned Trinidad about their illegal immigration problem & are now turning away most Guyanese because the U.K perceived it as a threat & would have forced T&T citizens to get a visa.

    It takes at least 5 years to get permanent residency in Barbados & if you have Commonwealth status I believe it takes 7 years for Citizenship as enshrined by the Constitution.The time period could allow a LOT of people to accumulate in the country BEFORE being given “Barbados Citizenship” & then moving on.

    The problem with Barbados right now is that some of Barbados’ old immigration laws are enshrined around the old Commonwealth system & to make matters worse is in the Constitution of Barbados,hence why I think the DLP is being very careful how they handle this.

  43. DOCTOR GUYANA Avatar

    Ruel, wait a second! I know about the Land of Canaan accident where the children were killed in the car accident. Ruel that blog is not owned by East Indians, trust me, and I am not going up against those people that own that blog. You can try that side those types, but I am not. You must think I want to catch my death before my time. You all try. They are not East Indian, not Black, or Amerindian or Chinese, so go figure.

  44. DOCTOR GUYANA Avatar

    Ruel, look I was there when Cheddi and Janet won the first election and no black man was killed. It was a joyous time in BG. Yes the PPP is multi racial, for it has many mutlti racial Guyanese in it, and yes anything over 51 % is a majority. I say no power sharing, just more confusion, the system will work itself out and come back exactly to where it was in the beginning, and with that I say, We Hail thee Guyana Land of our birth! Now what did Cheddi say as he was leaving his beloved Guyana alive for the last time, Don’t worry, everything will be fine. So relax and enjoy, and please don’t banter to the emotions of these good Barbadians.


  45. Just for your info:

    I do not know the full story about Suriname and how they manage to have relative peace with all those different races living there. This is what a Surinamese told me:

    we have a number of races …h he rattled of at least eight who live there… none are over 30% so no race has control. He also said that each racial entity has protection within the constitution… this ensures that no race can take over the government and rule as if they are the only ones that matter.

    Guyana could learn a lot from their neighbour. Winning a bare majority and ruling like you have 100% support and discriminating in governance will surely ensure conflict. I can assure “doctor Guyana” that he is living in a fools pardise…. stopping critical comment and lulling black peple to sleep with the crumbs will not lat for long… The PPP is in a time warp and will never learn.

    Indians in Guyana accept proportional representation but not proportional government. They want the whole cake and that is why there are probems there until they understand… if ever!


  46. Those illegals just need to
    go ! (ASAP)
    Even the USA is chucking the bad apples & illegals out ! – 3000 of them this year as of
    july 20th 2008. the Top deported were from

    haiti
    jamaica
    trinidad

    Guess who came in 4th?

    Caribbean Deportees Top 3000 Mark For 2008

    http://www.caribbeanworldnews.com/middle_top_news_detail.php?mid=1100

    Guyana’s Reintegration programme to target some 300 deportees in first year.

    http://www.stabroeknews.com/news/reintegration-programme-to-target-some-300-deportees-in-first-year/

    if You’re here illegally? You need to get
    deported or be detained until they can deport you.

    When you are too kind or lax with immigration policy, people will always take advantage.

    some of the Africans who “REFUSED” to surrender to immigration authorities three months ago are now behind bars at Dodds.
    (bravo!) & May more join them!
    http://www.nationnews.com/story/294774297502410.php


  47. Bajans, next time you see a Guyanese, ask him about Yohance Douglas. Here was a university black student whose only crime was that he was black and in a vehicle. The savageness of his execution, done by the former minister of home affairs goons rival those in Iraq.

    Don’t forget, that the present home affairs minister and the commissioner of police had their visas revoked because the embassy claim that they benefited from the drug trade.

    This preset govt in Guyana is a failed narco state .


  48. @Guyanese Commenters

    We think the BU family has gotten the picture i.e. the concerns and fears of Barbadians have been supported after reading the many comments offered from both sides of this issue. Now the part we want to discuss are the solutions. If we agree that immigration is a fact of life how can we manage our environment to learn from the Guyana experience? The rhetoric and vitriol does not add value at all.


  49. I know I may come off as a pessimist, but the only solution to your problem David,is to help us Guyanese foster a democratic culture. I know for a fact that your leaders in Barbados don’t have the testicular fortitude to implement any immigration reform that would minimize the Guyanese presence in Barbados. If you don’t help us to help ourselves,then our refugee crisis will always affect you and you soon will loose your country.

    Pressure your leader to pressure the racist communist fascist Bharrat Blow Job Jagdeo to have an inclusive govt and promote inclusive policies. If not,we will always be at your door, not at your mercy,but you at ours in your own land.

    Peace!!!!


  50. The truth is that both black and Indian Guyanese hate each other.

    This hate prevents Guyana from going forward.

    I believe that Barbadians are good enough that we can compete with any people anywhere in the world. Yes indeed we can compete ver, very effectively with both black and Indo Guyanese.

    There is no reason to believe that Barbados will become more like Guana.

    There is every reason to believe that Guyanese immigrants to Barbados both black and Indo will become more like Barbadians.

    I for one am not afraid of competition from anybody. I know that I am good (maybe best).

    ANd of course that will be a good thing

    Because Barbadien society is a better and more workable society than Guyana.

    The Guyanes both black and Indo have a lot to learn from Barbados.

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