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Media Release from Caribbean Against Apartheid in Palestine

Hamas, Israel

The Barbados based “Caribbean Against Apartheid in Palestine” [CAAP] categorically condemns all attacks on civilians in all conflicts, and in particular the continued and consistent genocide of the Palestinian people over the past 75 years by Zionists.

We express our full support for the Palestinian people in their ongoing struggle for liberation of the Palestinian lands and people from the occupying, dehumanizing forces of the fascist Zionist regime of Israel.

For the past 75 years the Palestinian people, men, women, and children, have faced collective punishment, degradation, colonization, apartheid, destruction, and death at the hands of the Zionist state of Israel. In the last few days that collective punishment has increased manifold with imminent total annihilation of the Palestinians of Gaza, aided and abetted by the hypocritical United States of America and its Western Allies. It is just as wrong to bomb civilian targets in Gaza, as it is to bomb civilian targets in Kiev.


What has been witnessed in the last 75 years and what is unfolding now are crimes against humanity, it is genocide. How much more must the Palestinian people endure in the face of relentless oppression and brutality? The Israeli Government has blocked all water, food, energy supplies, and medicines from getting into Gaza. This is Collective Punishment and a Crime Against Humanity.

President Nelson Mandela said, “We know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinian people”. We in the Caribbean, having suffered the legacy of the most brutal and inhumane system of slavery and colonialism, know too well the struggle for freedom and need to combat such acts of savagery.

No longer can the world continue to ignore the systematic cycle of destruction perpetrated against the Palestinian people and lands by the fascist Zionist regime of Israel.

Mr. Lalu Hanuman, Lawyer, and Secretary of CAAP in an invited comment said: “Gaza 2023 is today’s Warsaw Ghetto 1943. Just as the brave Jewish people herded into the Warsaw Ghetto in 1943 by the fascists, fought back against racist oppression, the Gazan people today, herded into the Gaza Ghetto by the fascist Zionists, are fighting back against racist oppression”.
We call for the immediate halt to the genocide of Palestinians and the end to this violence, bloodshed, and racist oppression.

CAAP will be organizing a “Rally for Palestine” outside the American Embassy in Wildey, on Saturday 21st October 2023, at 3 p.m., subject to Police permission being granted.

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  1. Terence M Blackett Avatar
    Terence M Blackett

    Former U.N. Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter lays out how a U.S. backed war against Iran would bring devastation to both the United States and Israel. Ritter says Israel would be destroyed if it tries to face off against Hezbollah and Hamas simultaneously…

    “War with Iran would be SUICIDE and the U.S. will lose…”

  2. Nat Turner's rebellion Avatar
    Nat Turner’s rebellion

    Hamas actions are akin to Nat Turner’s Slave rebellion,
    where the West’s reaction is akin to racism of the South

    Nat Turner’s rebellion led to the passage of a series of new laws. The Virginia legislature actually debated ending slavery, but chose instead to impose additional restrictions and harsher penalties on the activities of both enslaved and free African Americans.

  3. Terence M Blackett Avatar
    Terence M Blackett

    HIDDEN HEBREWS – THE WEIGHT OF EVIDENCE

  4. David Avatar
    David

    https://x.com/jprinceobedke/status/1714945000813875287

    This is a human tragedy.

  5. The Legacy of Nat Turner Avatar
    The Legacy of Nat Turner

    A Rebellion to Remember

    Why did Nat Turner’s rebellion fail?
    The Governor had called about three thousand militiamen to put down the rebellion. Seeing that they were greatly outnumbered, the insurgents disbanded, and many fled into the woods and swamps. The white militia hunted down and soon captured or killed the men who had participated in the rebellion, except for Nat Turner.

    How did Nat Turner’s rebellion lead to civil war?
    Nat Turner’s rebellion was one of the bloodiest and most effective in American history. It ignited a culture of fear in Virginia that eventually spread to the rest of the South, and is said to have expedited the coming of the Civil War.

    What was the biggest impact of Nat Turner’s rebellion?
    Nat Turner destroyed the white Southern myth that slaves were actually happy with their lives or too docile to undertake a violent rebellion. His revolt hardened proslavery attitudes among Southern whites and led to new oppressive legislation prohibiting the education, movement, and assembly of slaves

  6. John Avatar
    John

  7. Terence M Blackett Avatar
    Terence M Blackett

    So-called Christians will “ARGUE” eisegesis & exegesis till they are blue in the face, yet overlook one critical aspect: “A COIN HAS 2 SIDES” & no wonder YESHUA* asked – “WHOSE SUPERSCRIPTION IS ON IT???” The response was blindingly obvious to those listening (both hard of heart & simple-minded & especially for those who has already sold their souls for filthy lucre)…

    What is remarkable however, is that the “DEVIL” who knows Scripture better than all of us put together and has shown the HIGH PRIESTS IN THE “SYNA_GOG_OF_SATAN* what must be done in “PLAIN SIGHT” before “THE TIME OF THE END COMES”, because he knows his time is short, and that the vast majority will not believe (even if it walked up to them & slap them around the head)!!!

    Men will argue vehemently even in the face of the “WEIGHT OF EVIDENCE” knowing full well that the truth assaults the molehill upon which they stand…

    ELOHIM* Alone knows who the 144,000 are of Rev 7 & 14, as HE* has kept a faithful “RECORD” down through the generations, and HE* Alone will established the “REBORN HOUSE OF JACOB” with His servants not long from now, & they will “STAND ON MT.ZION WITH THE LAMB”…

    The Independent Newspaper in Britain cites in a piece entitled: “The Israel-Palestine Conflict, Explained” – just an hour or so ago, stating the following:

    “Historians and commentators offer differing opinions as to when this chapter of history begins. In her series Al Nakba (2008) on Al Jazeera, documentary maker Rawan Damen begins her story with Napoleon Bonaparte, who proposed a Jewish homeland in Palestine as long ago as 1799, in the wake of the siege of Acre during his war against the Ottoman Empire…”

    “The French commander was ultimately defeated in that conquest but his attempt to establish a European stronghold in the Middle East was revived by the British 41 years on, when foreign secretary Lord Palmerston wrote to his ambassador in Istanbul, urging him to press the Sultan to open up Palestine to Jewish immigrants as a means of countering the considerable influence of Egyptian governor Mohammed Ali…”

    “While there were only around 3,000 Jews living in Palestine at that time, wealthy benefactors such as French aristocrat BARON EDMOND de ROTHSCHILD began to sponsor others from Europe to join them and establish settlements, the most notable being Rishon Le Zion, founded in 1882…”

    READ MORE: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-palestine-conflict-explained-history-timeline-b2432387.html

    Citing earlier the fact that the “HIGH PRIESTS OF HASHATAN” within FREEMASONRY* knew since before the “FRENCH REVOLUTION” what was “PLANNED” 2 or more centuries in advance (under the veil of the “JESUITS” “DOMINICANS” & THE ILLUMINATI) – one finds it remarkable that so-called educated, supposed enlightened individuals would even question the validity of what is peering them in the face and call it “CONSPIRACY THEORY” – when Scripture clearly states in Isaiah 8:12 – “You are not to say, ‘It is a CONSPIRACY*! ’In regard to all that this people call a CONSPIRACY*, and you are not to fear what they fear or be in dread of it…”

    The prophet Jeremiah, in (11:9) states: “Then the Lord said to me, a conspiracy has been found among the men of Judah and among the inhabitants of Jerusalem…” (DIFFERENT DAY – SAME ‘OLE BULL_CRAP*)!!!

    The prophet Ezekiel in (22:25) WARNS: “There is a CONSPIRACY* of her prophets in her midst like a roaring lion tearing the prey. They have devoured lives; they have taken treasure and precious things; they have made many widows in the midst of her…” IS THIS NOT ENDEMIC WITHIN THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH TODAY after it fomentation in centuries past? – where so-called “TEACHERS” feather their nests at the expense of gullible ones in their midst teaching for “DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN…”

    The SYNA_GOG_OF_SATAN are “ALL LIARS” just like their father (THE DEVIL) and the whole world has believed the “LIE” for the “TRUTH” and even run with it…

    We were told in the plainest terms that they would be 3 MAJOR WORLD WARS without the exegesis of NAHUM 1,2&3; ZECHARIAH 14:2; ISAIAH 3:25; DANIEL 11:45;12:1; REV 9:14-16; Rev 18 & 19:17-18 broadening spiritual knowledge of what would occur when “WORLD WAR THREE” begins (a continuation of #WW2) & the virulent aftermath!!!

    https://www.threeworldwars.com/

    But especially: #WW3

    https://www.threeworldwars.com/world-war-3/ww3.htm

    All the “DEMONS” from “HELL” are on the “WORLD’S CHESS BOARD”: The Vatican & its JESUITS*; every SECRET SOCIETY – notably, 33-Degree FREEMASONS*; TOP “Banksters” & the OLD MONIED CLASS of Satanists who worship in the Bohemian Groove – under every tree, in front of every shrine, pillar & in the catacombs of perfidy!!!

    Knowledge is a “DANGEROUS THING” in these last days of earth’s history – thankfully as King David opined in Psalm 64:2 – “Hide me from the secret counsel of evildoers, from the tumult of those who do iniquity…”

    LET THIS BE OUR PRAYER…

  8. John Avatar
    John

  9. Terence M Blackett Avatar
    Terence M Blackett

    @John

    “Dr. Nathaniel Jeanson has continued to write bad books. His latest is an abomination called Traced: Human DNA’s Big Surprise, in which he claims to have figured out how all the peoples of the world arose…from the 8 people on Noah’s Ark, of course…”

    “There’s no way he could derive that from honest, accurate population genetics, or the actual data from modern molecular genetics (IT DOESN’T FIT), so he’s relying on cramming badly interpreted science into an absurd hypothesis derived entirely from a few chapters in the book of Genesis…”

    READ MORE:

    https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2022/04/23/yet-another-pseudoscientific-fraud/

    Phylogenetic Systematics Debunked: Dr. Nathaniel Jeanson

  10. Terence M Blackett Avatar
    Terence M Blackett

    IT IS KICKIN’ OFF

  11. I See You Avatar
    I See You

    Race is not a Race

    The eyes are bright
    to see is what they do

    Is it the colour of our skin
    Causing so much turmoil within

    I look I see people
    Look like trees
    Each bear a different fruit
    That’s how it’s been for centuries

    Is it the colour of my skin
    Is that where it all begins

    I am not colour blind I’m fine
    With racism I have no time

    Would you give you life for a friend
    Or leave them with no defense
    I know someone who gave their life
    And that was what they sacrificed

    I am not looking at colour
    I am looking at you
    I see no colour
    I see you

    I can see people
    Looking so confused
    Trying to find the answer
    Of why they have been abused

    This is not a race to be won
    We are all humans
    That you must first understand

    Colour is just a pigment
    Out of darkness came light
    If you are a blight and not walking right
    You should understand the concept of eternal life

    I sing
    You should understand the concept of eternal life

    I’m not colour blind I’m fine
    With racism I have no time
    I am not looking at colour
    I am looking at you
    I see no colour
    I see only you

  12. John Avatar
    John

    TMB

    The old Evolutionist v Creationist debate this time in genetics!!

    Old Earth v Young Earth!!

    Suppose there was proof of Noah’s Flood as described in the Bible from another source and the Earth really was as young as the Bible says!!

    … and there is in the geologic record.

    If you go back 10 generations any person alive today has 1,024 ancestors. We are all related whether we like it or not because the Earth’s population was tiny 300 years ago.

    It gets far, far worse if you go back 4,500 years.
     

  13. John Avatar
    John

    Job 12:7-10 King James Version (KJV)
    But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; And the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: And the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. Who knoweth not in all these That the hand of the LORD hath wrought this? In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, And the breath of all mankind.

  14. John Avatar
    John

  15. Reentry 2 Avatar
    Reentry 2

    Perhaps Noah’s Ark was a spaceship
    and the animals were carried as DNA for cloning
    and the gray lizards have been working with illuminati
    and they are after one man the son of man
    This would explain why “they” are so fixated with Palestine
    (“they”=New World Order)

  16. Miller Avatar
    Miller

    @ John on October 18, 2023 at 9:54 PM said:

    (Quote):
    Look at these two verses from Genesis 9 and tell me where Ham got cursed by Yahweh.

    You are talking rubbish.

    24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.

    25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

    Was Canaan in fact the youngest son of Noah?

    Did Noah have 3 sons or 4?

    How could both Noah and Ham have been the father of Canaan? (Unquote).
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The same way 10,000 solar years ago the son of Adam called Cain went to the Land of Nod and took his sister for a wife in order to produce people like you and your biblical sidekick called GP.

    According to your Jewish mythological tall tales, Wasn’t Ham the father of Canaan which makes the same Canaan a grandson of Noah the wine bibber?

    Wouldn’t that famous saying about the ‘Sins of the Father’ being visited unto the sons and subsequent generations apply here to Ham and Canaan?

    While you are doing your DNA research on the descendants of Japhet why not find out who are the modern-day descendants arising the incestuous relationship(s) between another drunkard called Lot and his two (virgin) daughters as outlined in your book of tall tales at Genesis 19, especially verses 30 to 38.

    But what can we expect from you the genetically-incestuous Johnny who still believes in a book which states that the planet Earth was “created by an idol called YHWH before the Sun?

    How can that object called the Sun, which is 109 times wider than the Earth, revolve around that third rock from the same Sun?

  17. John Avatar
    John

    The sins of the father appears in the bible way after Noah!!

    What does “uncover nakedness” mean?

  18. Miller Avatar
    Miller

    @ John on October 19, 2023 at 10:32 AM said:

    “What does “uncover nakedness” mean?”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Maybe poor Ham caught his own wife with his drunken father Noah in a most uncompromising position!

    How about that? Unless you want to see it in the same light when Cain was cursed and is thought to have had incestuous fun with his own ‘unnamed’ sister in order to produce the Jewish tribe blessed by their vicious ballistic god called Yahweh.

  19. John Avatar
    John

    … or maybe Canaan is Ham’s son with his mother, hence Noah’s son too.

    Check Leviticus on what “his father’s nakedness” can mean.

    Whatever happened, Canaan was cursed by Noah.

    Ultimately, Joshua and the Israelites dealt with the Canaanites according to God’s instruction.

  20. TheOGazerts Avatar
    TheOGazerts

    Additional reading
    https://www.grimmstories.com/en/grimm_fairy-tales/index

  21. Donna Avatar
    Donna

    Breaking news! John’s “very serious” KRAKEN lady just pleaded “GUILTY” in her Georgia election conspiracy case! She has also agreed to testify against the other co-conspirators.

    Why would anyone take John Knox seriously in these matters??????

    Since 2020 he has been expecting the release of a kraken!

    Murdaaaaaaaaah!

  22. Critical Analyzer Avatar
    Critical Analyzer

  23. John Avatar
    John

    Miller on October 18, 2023 at 9:28 PM said:

    So which modern-day humans are the descendants of Japhet …..

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Check this to see how that could be discovered.

  24. John Avatar
    John

    Remember when!!

    Zoe on October 29, 2011 at 7:59 PM said:
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    @Nnaki, I think this article by Dr. Carter, dealing with the ‘population bottleneck’ referred to by Natturner, should interest you guys!

    Adam, Eve and Noah vs Modern Genetics
    by Dr Robert W. Carter

    Published: 11 May 2010(GMT+10)

    The evolutionary map of world migrations is startlingly close to the biblical account of a single dispersal of people from Babel. The evolutionary “Out of Africa” theory tells us there was a single dispersal of people, centered near and travelling through the Middle East, with three main mitochondrial lineages, with people traveling in small groups into previously uninhabited territory, and that all of this occurred in the recent past. Every item in that list is something directly predicted by the Tower of Babel account in the Bible. (Image http://www.mitomap.org).
    It comes as a surprise to most people to hear that there is abundant evidence that the entire human race came from two people just a few thousand years ago (Adam and Eve), that there was a serious population crash (bottleneck) in the recent past (at the time of the Flood), and that there was a single dispersal of people across the world after that (the Tower of Babel).1 It surprises them even more to learn that much of this evidence comes from evolutionary scientists. In fact, an abundant testimony to biblical history has been uncovered by modern geneticists. It is there for anyone to see, if they know where to look!

    For our purposes, the most important places to look are in the Y chromosome (which is only found in males and which is passed on directly from father to son) and in the mitochondrial DNA (a small loop of DNA that we nearly always inherit from our mothers only; males do not pass it on to their children). These two pieces of DNA record some startling facts about our past.

    Over the last decade, a vast amount of information has been collected that allows us to answer questions that we could not even consider earlier. The tools of modern genetics allow us to specifically ask questions about history, for our genes carry a record that reflects where we came from and how we got to where we are. The tools at our disposal are powerful.

    Creation and genetics
    There are two brief passages in the Creation account we can use to draw some conclusions about human genetic history. Please note that we cannot use these verses for land animals (because we do not know how many of each kind were initially created) or any of the swimming critters (“with which the waters abounded”—Gen 1:21). These statements apply to people only:

    “And the Lord God formed man out of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living being.” Gen 2:7
    “And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and he slept; and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place. Then the rib which the Lord God had taken from the man he made into a woman, and He brought her to the man.” Gen 2:21–22
    These simple statements have profound implications. They put a limit on the amount of diversity we should find in people living today. The Bible clearly says the human race started out with two people only. But how different were these two people? There is an intriguing possibility that Eve was a clone of Adam. The science of cloning involves taking DNA from an organism and using it to manufacture an almost perfect copy of the original. Here, God is taking a piece of flesh, with cells, organelles, and, importantly, Adam’s DNA, and using it to manufacture a woman. Of course, she could not be a perfect clone, because she was a girl! But what if God had taken Adam’s genome and used it to manufacture Eve? All he would have had to do was to leave out Adam’s Y chromosome and double his X chromosome and, voilá, instant woman!

    I do not know if Eve was genetically identical to Adam. The only reason I bring this up is because we have two possibilities in our biblical model of human genetic history: one original genome or two. Either result is still vastly different from the most popular evolutionary models,2 but we need to discuss the range of possibilities that the Bible allows.

    Your genome is like an encyclopedia (almost literally). And, like an encyclopedia, the genome is broken down into volumes, called chromosomes, but you have two copies of each volume (with the exception of the X and Y chromosomes; women have two Xs but men have one X and one Y). Imagine comparing two duplicate volumes side by side and finding that one word in a particular sentence is spelled differently in each volume (perhaps “color” vs “colour”). Can you see that if Eve was a clone of Adam, there would have been, at most, two possible variants at any point in the genome? If Eve was not a clone, however, there would have been, at most, four possible variants at any point in the genome (because each of the original chromosomes came in four copies). This still allows for a lot of diversity overall, but it restricts the variation at any one spot to 2, 3, or 4 original readings.

    Does this fit the evidence? Absolutely! Most variable places in the genome come in two versions and these versions are spread out across the world. There are some highly variable places that seem to contradict this, but most of these are due to mutations that occurred in the different subpopulations after Babel.

    There are indications, however, that Eve may not have been a clone. The ABO blood group is a textbook example of a gene with more than two versions.3 There are three main versions of the blood type gene (A, B, and O). However, many, but not all, people with type O blood carry something that looks very much like a mutant A (the mutation prevents the manufacturing of the type A trait on the outside of cells). So here is a gene with more than two versions, but one of the main versions is clearly a mutation. This is true for many other genes, although, as usual, there are exceptions. The important take home point is that essentially all of the genetic variation among people today could have been carried within two people, if you discount mutations that occurred after our dispersion across the globe. This is a surprise to many.

    The Flood and genetics
    Like in the Creation story, there are only a few verses in the Flood account that help us with our model. But as seen before, these verses are profound.

    Like in the Creation story, there are only a few verses in the Flood account that help us with our model. But as seen before, these verses are profound. About 10 generations after Creation, a severe, short bottleneck occurred in the human population. From untold numbers of people, the entire world population was reduced to eight souls with only three reproducing couples.

    “So Noah, with his sons, his wife, and his sons’ wives, went into the ark because of the waters of the flood.” Gen 7:7
    “Now the sons of Noah who went out of the ark were Shem, Ham, and Japheth… These three were the sons of Noah, and from these the whole earth was populated.” Gen 9:18–19
    We can draw many important deductions from these statements. For instance, based on Genesis 7 and 9, how many Y chromosomes were on the Ark? The answer: one. Yes, there were four men, but Noah gave his Y chromosome to each of his sons. Unless there was a mutation (entirely possible), each of the sons carried the exact same Y chromosome. We do not know how much mutation occurred prior to the flood. With the long life spans of the antediluvian patriarchs, it may be reasonable to assume little mutation had taken place, but all of Creation, including the human genome, had been cursed, so it may not be wise to conclude that there was no mutation prior to the Flood. The amount of mutation may be a moot point, however, for, if it occurred, the Flood should have wiped out most traces of it (all of it in the case of the Y chromosome).

    How many mitochondrial DNA lineages were on the Ark? The answer: three. Yes, there were four women, but the Bible does not record Noah’s wife as having any children after the Flood (in this case, girl children). And notice the claim in Gen 9:19, “These three were the sons of Noah, and from these the whole earth was populated.” This is a strong indication that Noah’s wife did not contribute anything else to the world’s population. With no prohibition against sibling marriage, yet,4 one or more of the daughters-in-law may have been her daughter, but this does not change the fact that, at first glance, we expect a maximum of three mitochondrial lineages in the current world population. There is a chance that there will be less, if there was very little mutation before the Flood or if several of the daughters-in-law were closely related. At most, we do not expect more than four.

    How many X chromosome lineages were on the Ark? That depends. If you count it all up, you get eight. If, by chance, Noah’s wife passed on the same X chromosome to each of her three sons (25% probability), then there were seven. If Noah had a daughter after the Flood (not expected, but possible), there could be as many as nine X chromosome lineages. Either way, this is a considerable amount of genetic material. And since X chromosomes recombine (in females), we are potentially looking at a huge amount of genetic diversity within the X chromosomes of the world.

    Does this fit the evidence? Absolutely! It turns out that Y chromosomes are similar worldwide. According to the evolutionists, no “ancient” (i.e., highly mutated or highly divergent) Y chromosomes have been found.5 This serves as a bit of a puzzle to the evolutionist, and they have had to resort to calling for a higher “reproductive variance” among men than women, high rates of “gene conversion” in the Y chromosome, or perhaps a “selective sweep” that wiped out the other male lines.6 For the biblical model, it is a beautiful correlation and we can take it as is.

    The evidence from mitochondrial DNA fits our model just as neatly as the Y chromosome data. As it turns out, there are three main mitochondrial DNA lineages found across the world. The evolutionists have labeled these lines “M”, “N”, and “R”, so we’ll refer to them by the same names. They would not say these came off the Ark. They claim they were derived from older lines found in Africa, but this is based on a suite of assumptions (I discussed these in detail in a recent article in the Journal of Creation7). It also turns out that M, N, and R differ by only a few mutations. This gives us some indication of the amount of mutation that occurred in the generations prior to the Flood.

    Let’s assume ten female generations from Eve to the ladies on the Ark. M and N are separated by about 8 mutations (a small fraction of the 16,500 letters in the mitochondrial genome). R is only 1 mutation away from N. This is an indication of the mutational load that occurred before the Flood. Given the assumption that mutations occur at equal rates in all lines, about four mutations separate M and N each from Eve (maybe four mutations in each line in ten generations). But what about R? It is very similar to N. Were N and R sisters, or perhaps more closely related to each other than they were to M? We’ll never know, but it sure is fascinating to think about.

    One more line of evidence crops up in the amount of genetic diversity that has been found within people worldwide. Essentially, much less has been found than most (i.e., evolutionists!) predicted. The general lack of diversity among people is the reason the Out of Africa model has humanity going through a disastrous, near-extinction bottleneck with only about 10,000 (and perhaps as few as 1,000)8 people surviving. However, the reason for this lack of diversity is twofold. First, the human race started out with only two people. Second, the human race is not that old and has not accumulated a lot of mutations, despite the high mutation rate. Third, there actually was a bottleneck event, Noah’s Flood!

    The Tower of Babel and genetics
    The Tower of Babel has been a favorite bedtime story for generations. But is it more than a fairy tale? Could it be possible that there is evidence to back up this tale of rebellion and judgment? Like the Creation and Flood accounts, there are only a couple of verses that apply to our model of genetics. But, like the others, these verses are as profound as they are simple.

    “Now the whole earth had one language and one speech.” Gen 11:1
    “And they said, ‘Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower whose top is in the heavens; let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.’” Gen 11:4
    It sounds like they were in a homogenous culture, but what do people in that situation do? Would you expect them to mix freely? Were language or cultural barriers present that would have prevented the sons of Shem from marrying the daughters of Japheth? Would the daughters of Ham be expected to marry freely with the sons of any of the three men? Note in Gen 11:4 that they knew about the potential for spreading out and getting separated from one another and intentionally did the opposite! However, this was against the express command of God, who had ordered them to spread out (to populate the earth). So, He took matters into His own hands.

    “’Come, let Us go down and confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.’ So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth, and they ceased building the city.” Gen 11:7–8
    There are tremendous implications that come from the Babel account. First it explains the amazing cultural connectivity of ancient peoples—like pyramid building, common flood legends, and ancient, non-Christian genealogies that link people back to biblical figures (e.g., many of the royal houses of pagan northern Europe go back to Japheth, the son of Noah9).

    The dramatic rise in world population over the past several decades is a well known fact. From a biblical perspective, the current human population easily fits into the standard model of population growth using very conservative parameters.10 In fact, starting with 6 people and doubling the population every 150 years more than accounts for the current human population (a growth rate of less than 0.5% per year!). Population size would have increased quickly given the rate at which the post-Flood population reestablished agriculture, animal husbandry, industry and civilization. So we must ask the question, “Why are there so few people in the world today?” The answer is that the world is young and we have not been here many thousands of years.

    When did the dispersion occur? Our best clue about the timing of the event comes from Genesis 10:25. In referencing the 5th generation descendent of Shem, a man named Peleg, it says, “in his days the earth was divided.” To what is this referring? Many people believe this is referring to a division of the landmasses (plate tectonics). This may be true, but it would require a huge amount of geologic activity after the Flood, and this would have occurred in historical times with no record of the events. The interpretation I favor is that this passage is referring to the division of people at Babel. Just a few verses after the Peleg reference, the section is summed up with another reference to the division at Babel. This fits both the context and the science. In context, Peleg was closely associated with Babel.

    How large was the population at the time? We would expect rapid population growth, but we cannot know exactly. There are 16 named sons born to the three brothers, Shem, Ham and Japheth. If we assume about the same number of daughters, Noah had on the order of 30 grandchildren. At that rate of growth, there would have been about 150 children in Salah’s generation, about 750 in Eber’s generation, and about 3,750 in Peleg’s generation. Of course, these generations overlap, etc., so let’s say there were between 1,000 and 10,000 people alive at the time of Babel. This fits nicely with the available data. It is a high rate of growth, but wars and disease had yet to start taking their toll.

    There is one more verse in this section that we need to discuss:

    “These were the families of the sons of Noah, according to their generations, in their nations; and from these the nations were divided on the earth after the flood.” Gen 10:32
    At Babel, God did not separate the nations according to language. He used language to separate them according to paternal (male) ancestry! This has monumental significance and is the key to understanding human genetic history.

    Do you see the implication in this simple verse? At Babel, God did not separate the nations according to language. He used language to separate them according to paternal (male) ancestry! This has monumental significance and is the key to understanding human genetic history. Paternal sorting would lead to specific Y chromosome lineages in different geographical locations. Since males and females from the three main families should have been freely intermixing prior to this, it also leads to a mixing of the mitochondrial lines. It is as if God put all the people into a giant spreadsheet and hit a button called “Sort According to Father.” He then took that list and used it to divide up and separate the nations.

    We already saw that Y chromosomes have little variation among them. We now add the fact that this little bit of variation is almost always geographically specific. That is, after the nations were separated according to Y chromosome, mutations occurred in the various lines. Since the lines were sent to specific geographical areas, the mutations are geographically specific. The current distribution of Y chromosome lines is a tremendous confirmation of the biblical model.

    Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) adds another confirmation. We have already learned that there are three main lineages of mtDNA. We now add the fact that these three lineages are more or less randomly distributed across the world. Also, the various mutations within each of the three main families of mtDNA are geographically specific as well.11 In other words, as the three mixed mitochondrial lines were carried along with the Y chromosome dispersal, each line in each area began to pick up new mutations, just like we would predict.

    After the Flood
    The last remaining significant reference in the Bible that will help us build our model of human genetic history is called The Table of Nations. It is found in Genesis chapters 9 and 10. The Table of Nations is a record of the post-Babel tribes, who they descended from, and where they went. If the Bible is an accurate source of history, one might expect to be able to find a significant amount of evidence for the Table of Nations in genetic data. The truth is not that simple, however, and it is important to keep several things in mind. First, the account was written by a person in the Middle East and from a Middle Eastern perspective. It is incomplete in that there are huge sections of the world that are not discussed (sub-Saharan Africa, Northern Europe, Most of Asia, Australia, the Americas, and Oceania). It also reflects a snapshot in time. It was written after the dispersion began, but not necessarily before the dispersion was complete. Indeed, much has changed in the intervening years. People groups have migrated, cultures have gone extinct, languages have changed, separate cultures have merged, etc. The history of man has been full of ebb and flow as people mixed or fought, resisted invasion or were conquered. The history of man since Babel is very complicated. Modern genetics can answer some of the big questions, but answers to many of the smaller details may elude us forever.

    This is an important topic for the creation model. The world does not look at the Bible in a favorable light. In fact, it disparages it, sometimes with open hostility. Attacks are often centered on the claim that the Bible is not reliable on historical grounds, and if the history of the Bible is inaccurate, what about the theology? Think about what Jesus told Nicodemus in John 3:12, “If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?” Many people today see no history in the Bible; therefore, the spiritual implications are meaningless to them. What would happen for evangelism if the history of the Bible turns out to be true after all?

  25. Donna Avatar
    Donna

    Wrong again, most “brilliant” scholar! Wrong again!

    You are like one of the 2000 mules – half jackass, half horse.

    And stubborn too!

    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    Ignoring it won’t change the facts.

    The kraken lady gave up the ghost!

    Murdaaaah!

  26. John Avatar
    John

    You missed the point.

    The truth remains the truth!!!

    If anyone is dumb enough to believe Joe Biden won fairly with 81 million votes all I can say is good luck!!

  27. John Avatar
    John

  28. GP Avatar
    GP

    re If anyone is dumb enough to believe Joe Biden won fairly with 81 million votes all I can say is good luck!!

    ACTUALLY IT WAS NOT GOOD LUCK FOR THE VERY POOR FOLK IN THIS COUNTRY ESPECIALLY THE POOR BLACK PEOPLE

  29. John Avatar
    John

    https://www.audacy.com/podcast/mark-levin-podcast-68f9e?action=AUTOPLAY_FULL&actionContentId=201-9109c8c6-1c3a-4f1d-b075-634907668c0a

  30. John Avatar
    John

    TLSN

    In case you didn’t know!!

    Any more on the horspittle?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera

  31. John Avatar
    John

    Anyone actually seen footage of a bombed out hospital, apart from the one in Israel?

  32. Pachamama Avatar
    Pachamama

    It is unclear whether the United States has ever had a free and fair election.

    The unspoken truth is that all sides use a variety of devices to steal elections, period.

    Even as far as election debates are concerned, they are run by a private firm jointly owned by republicans and democrats.

    Therefore no third party candidates can even have a fair chance.

    So when the christian-fascists here zealously guard their preferred tribe, It’s time to praise the White dog. God we mean.

    In these circumstances where the Biden crooks pervailed over the Trump crooks was because they were better thieves.

    It’s not surprising that the fascist Christian types would cry foul while forgetting the George Bush thief from Al Gore, in Florida especially and using similar White supremacists zealots, like Clarence Thomas on the supremre court to thief.

    In addition

    The worse thing one can do there is to join with anybody doing anything. For once the shiiite hits the fan and the injustice Department gets involved, lawyers move heaven and earth to get their clients to the front of the line to strike a deal. A plea deal! Nobody ever wants to go to jail, not when they could be a snitch. And the system almost totally depends on snitches.

  33. Noah's Ark bullshit Avatar
    Noah’s Ark bullshit

    “If anyone is dumb enough to believe Joe Biden won fairly with 81 million votes all I can say is good luck!!”

    I think it is more feasible than that Noah’s Ark bullshit

  34. John Avatar
    John

    You all might like this oldtime film. I happened on it by chance and recognised I had read the book years ago.

    It is all about Palestinian refugees returning to Palestine.

  35. David Avatar
    David

    Some people love war. More aid for Israel and Ukraine.

    https://www.cnn.com/webview/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-10-19-

  36. John Avatar
    John

    At least one man can stop it!!

  37. David Avatar
    David

    You can’t make this stuff up.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/Cylb1mGOJoS/

  38. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    @ David
    Actually you CAN make it all up…. but only if you understand the UNDERLYING plot behind project :”Life on Earth – Phase 1”

    The Battle has ALWAYS been one against the dark forces of Evil…and (NOT AGAINST FLESH AND BLOOD).
    So if you apply ‘flesh and blood’ logic, you will NEVER follow the script.

    Rest assured that the dark forces of Evil KNOW THE SCRIPT, and more importantly, they KNOW THT THE TIMETABLE is short…

    Sorry boss. but you must EXPECT MAXIMUM evil… and MINIMUM common sense….
    Did you think that the retard Biden, having travelled to the Region – with two mighty battle groups at his beck and call would IMPOSE a peace truce…..
    ‘vi et amis’?
    LOL – that would be a ‘flesh’ reaction….

    FAR better to send another 30 Billion in bombs and guns…..the demonic response.

    The ONLY secure future is via the ONLY lifeboat available …. commanded by the original Bushman…

    Wunna could depend on Mia, Biden and Trump…
    BUT NOT Stinking Bushie….
    Bushie on the boat… LOL

  39. John Avatar
    John

    Another insurrection at the Capitol.

    The insurrection led by the Jewish Voice for Peace took over the building.

    “Jewish Voice for Peace is a grassroots, multiracial, cross-class, intergenerational movement of U.S. Jews into solidarity with Palestinian freedom struggle. Join us to end U.S. support for Israel’s oppression of Palestinians and to create a just and peaceful future.”

    White supremacists it sounds like.

    You can’t make this up!!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12646451/Pro-Palestinian-protesters-Capitol.html

  40. John Avatar
    John

    Those tunnels are a death trap.

    The rockets stored in them will light up the Ground Penetrating Radar and reveal their locations.

    Explode one and the length of tunnel in which the rockets are stored will light up like a roman candle.

  41. John Avatar
    John

    David
    on October 19, 2023 at 9:17 PM said:
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    You can’t make this stuff up.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/Cylb1mGOJoS/

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    10 Billion is peanuts.

    Ukraine has had 10 times that already and no doubt Hunter has received his cut for Joe.

    Trump is right.

    Stop it and make the two talk peace.

    Putin already frightened for him.

    Israel is in God’s hands.

    He will have to use the appropriate people as his agents.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#:~:text=The%20United%20States%20alone%20has,massive%20invasion%20in%20February%202022.

  42. John Avatar
    John

    Donna on October 19, 2023 at 3:07 PM said:
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    Breaking news! John’s “very serious” KRAKEN lady just pleaded “GUILTY” in her Georgia election conspiracy case! She has also agreed to testify against the other co-conspirators.

    Why would anyone take John Knox seriously in these matters??????

    Since 2020 he has been expecting the release of a kraken!

    Murdaaaaaaaaah!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Sometimes a defendant pleads guilty just before or during the case and may not be required to give evidence at all.

    Prosecution gets peanuts.

    “According to Atlanta Journal Constitution reporter Tamar Hallerman, Powell will avoid jail time as part of the deal but will have six years of probation, and will also pay a $6,000 fine and a $2,700 restitution to the state.”

    She will face Dominion in a defamation lawsuit which means she gets to depose them and get full discovery!!

  43. David Avatar
    David

    @Bush Tea

    One of the biggest ironies is that it is all borrowed money it is giving to Ukraine and Israel which has the potential to disrupt the global economy given the position of the us dollar in the hierarchy of hard currencies.

  44. We must not deepen the humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza and dramatically undermine Israel’s security Avatar
    We must not deepen the humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza and dramatically undermine Israel’s security

    Senator Bernie Sanders
    “Half the people in Gaza are Children”

  45. Why do Palestinians lack substantial international support? Avatar
    Why do Palestinians lack substantial international support?

    Noam Chomsky
    “Wealth + Power = Rights”
    No wealth = No Power = No Rights
    What is called national interests = rich = major corporations

  46. Terence M Blackett Avatar
    Terence M Blackett

    Since 2010, until “TODAY” – the ongoing ruminations on BU has been about war and although we were warned in Matt 24:6 that there will be “WARS” & “RUMORS OF WAR” – this time looks, feels & appears to be quite different…

  47. David Avatar
    David

    Unpacking Biden’s speech last night, he committed to a two state solution. He commits to supporting Israel’s initiative to wipe out Hamas. Where do we go from here? It seems like a path to nowhere given the prevailing intransigence on both sides.

  48. John Avatar
    John

    We must not deepen the humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza and dramatically undermine Israel’s security on October 20, 2023 at 5:08 AM said:
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    Senator Bernie Sanders
    “Half the people in Gaza are Children”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Child soldiers!!!

    That is why the invasion of Israel was so brutal.

    Children know no restraint if properly indoctrinated.

  49. John Avatar
    John

    Sorry!!

  50. John Avatar
    John

    Noam Chomsky is smoking weed.

    How is it he can say the Palestinians have no international support when the world’s press will run with the false hospital story?

    No wealth = No Power = No Rights =All Bullshit.

    International aid spent on tunnels, weapons … even water pipes dug up and used to make rockets.

    The very existence of HAMAS is a crime against humanity.

    You see the same tripe in America’s inner cities, trillions spent on the welfare state and complete anarchy.

    It would appear that the forces that be seek to create anarchy.

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