The Abortion Issue

Grenville Phillips

As with all issues, this emotional issue has two sides. Based on the reactions of both sides, they are not listening to each-other. Insulting those with whom you disagree has become common, but there is a better way to resolve contrary opinions on any issue – the way of discussion.

Why do mothers choose Abortion? They are essentially three categories of reasons.

REASONS FOR CHOOSING ABORTION.

The first, and most common category, is for the convenience of the mother at the time of pregnancy. Inconvenient reasons include the mother’s: age, education, poverty, physical state, mental state, emotional state, etc.

The second category is that the baby is wanted, but the mother’s life is in danger if the baby continues to live during the pregnancy. Therefore, a difficult choice must be made between saving the mother’s life or saving the child’s. The third category is that the baby will not be able to survive independently as an adult.

THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ISSUE.

The other side of this issue is the belief that each person has an eternal soul from the moment of conception. That soul cannot be destroyed. To those who believe this, abortion for convenience is the murder of their fellow human beings.

We are normally concerned when we hear about students being killed in a school shooting in the US, or the slaughter of civilians in the war in Ukraine. We are concerned because we see the victims as our fellow human beings. Slavery worked across generations because our fore-parents were perceived as less than human – and not the victims.

LISTENING TO EACH OTHER.

Both sides of this issue may feel the trauma of a mother, who is faced with the decision of aborting her baby so that she may live. Anyone may express an opinion on this matter. But only the mother has the right to make the final decision – which should never be judged by another human being. In Florida (where such statistics are measured), this amounted to 0.2% of abortions in 2020.

If a woman is raped, then again, while anyone may express an opinion on this matter, only the mother has the right to make the final decision. In Florida, rape and incest amounted to 0.16% of abortions in 2020.

If a baby is unable to develop to live independently, then the community must decide whether they will materially support those children from the cradle to the grave. That decision should help the mother make her decision. In Florida, serious abnormality of the baby amounted to 0.98% of abortions in 2020. Abortion for convenience consists of over 95% of the abortions in the US.

BARBADOS AND THE USA.

In Barbados, abortion for convenience is illegal [1]. Abortion is only allowed: (i) if the mother may die or be gravely injured by continuing the pregnancy, (ii) for rape or incest, or (iii) if the child were born, he/she would be seriously handicapped.

Barbados materially supports the disabled community. Barbados has also determined that a person has the right to life from the moment of conception, and no person can be arbitrarily deprived of that right [2].

Regardless of your opinion on abortion, we should pause to remember the over 60 million babies in the US, that were aborted for convenience since 1973 – when abortion for convenience was made legal. It was easy for adults to justify those abortions, once they convinced themselves that children still in their mothers’ wombs had no right to live.

Grenville Phillips II is a Chartered Structural Engineer. He can be reached at NextParty246@gmail.com

[1] Medical Termination of Pregnancy Act, Section 4.
[2] American Convention on Human Rights, Article 4.

126 comments

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    Nobody likes abortions
    But, it is a woman’s choice

    Men should stick to other topics, like why do woman shave their pussies and start going out more

    Flesh Of My Skin
    Blood Of My Blood

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  • Your religious beliefs are yours and you are welcome to them. But your beliefs are not to be forced on all others.

    You have no proof that there is such a thing as a soul.

    Men run off and leave the woman and child FOR THEIR CONVENIENCE and women have abortions for their convenience.

    When are we going to criminalise men who run off and leave their children often leading to their having a MISERABLE LIFE?

    P.S. Abortions are against the law in Barbados? I thought so but I really couldn’t remember for sure.

    Abortions are against the law much like sodomy is against the law.

    Oh dear!

    Nobody adheres to it. Nobody is charged for it. It goes on with the full knowledge of the authorities. Nobody is hiding it. Nobody cares

    Because nobody here does late term abortions which is when practically ALL Bajans recognise that there is now a CHILD in existence.

    And so, a few people can jump up and down and rant and rave about THEIR religious beliefs…. but the only change that is going to come when the law is changed to decriminalise both abortion and sodomy so that we can OFFICIALLY stop being hypocrites.

    Hold on to your hats! Bumpy ride ahead!

    FOR RELIGIOUS BULLIES!

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  • Murder is against the law too, not only abortion and sodomy.

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  • Critical Analyzer

    Adding a little baby science to the debate

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  • All the science in the world will not dissolve what is a wedge issue based on how the issue is interpreted. There are compelling pros on both sides of this issue. Everything is not black or white.

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  • “Murder is against the law too, not only abortion and sodomy.”

    Don’t knock something until you tried it
    I read in a book once that killing is a buzz and it can become addictive releasing souls into the heavenly universe
    that’s why virgins and babies were sacrificed as the climax in worshiping rituals
    and they were later replaced with animals
    USA likes to kill in wars and false flags for wars on the regular
    did you see the devil’s face in the smoke in the South Tower on 11th September 2001

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  • Critical Analyzer

    @Donna June 29, 2022 5:24 AM

    Pregnancy always takes both man and woman consenting unless there is rape or the woman goes to a sperm bank.

    Too many women like to blame men for running off and leaving them with a child instead of blaming their bad decisions. Women have to stop all the male bashing and shoulder much more responsibility for their poor male selection skills.

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  • “Pregnancy always takes both man and woman consenting unless there is rape or the woman goes to a sperm bank.”

    I always suspected that the immaculate conception chestnut was a load of poo

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  • Critical Analyzer

    @David June 29, 2022 7:01 AM

    Some science, arithmetic and appropriate statistics is always required to give a solid foundation for debate otherwise everyone is guessing at the true wedge issue.

    Here is an article on abortion reasons. It is from a pro-life site but the statistics are good statistics. https://www.hli.org/resources/why-women-abort/

    Does anyone know if Barbados keeps these statistics as well?

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  • Critical Analyzer

    For me, abortion is not a wedge issue at all or even a political issue.

    I see it purely as a moral decision between a woman, the man, their doctor. Everyone else should butt out unless they are willing to take on all the current and future responsibility.

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    Poo Poo La La / Roy Ayers

    Let me kiss you… on your poo poo la la
    Let me kiss you… on your poo poo la la

    She was the kind of woman that would trim your toe nails at 5 o’clock in the morning
    She was honest, loyal, sincere, dedicated, understanding…
    She was everything a man could ever want a woman to be
    She was everything to me and she was my woman
    I can remember the first time we met in New York City, in Central Park
    I was wearing a pair of white sneakers and a pair of white shorts
    And I had white t-shirt with the inscription that read on the front of it: Earth, Wind & Fire
    You could not tell me that I was not good to go!

    Oh!
    We got married!
    Two days later, we got married and everything was cool…
    …for about four years
    And that’s when the other voices came into the picture
    You know what I’m talking about when I say the other voices?
    You know, Mary said that Roy was running round with Harriet… Beverley…
    …and …and it got back to the home front
    And me and my old lady started going through a repititous cycle of splitting up
    And coming back together, then splitting up and coming back together
    Till it just got ridiculous…

    You know what she said?
    She said “”Roy””
    I said “”Yo?””
    She said “”Roy, if you don’t stop playing that music, running all over the country like you’re crazy or something, I’m gonna leave you””
    I couldn’t believe my ears!
    So I went outside I took a walk around the block!
    I came back in the house, and I walked up to her and I said “”Come again?””
    She said “”If you don’t stop playing that music, running all over the country like you’re crazy or something, I’m gonna leave you””
    You know what I told her?
    “”Bye…””

    I don’t wanna sound cold, I don’t wanna sound hard but, you know, a man can only take so much. And that was too much for me…

    Let me go back… let me just forget about that negative thing… let’s go back to the positive…
    Remember when we were in the park, and we had a blanket and we were laying in the park…
    I’mma tell you the first words I whispered in her ear
    I pulled her close to me and I said these words – check this out:
    Let me kiss you… on your poo… poo la laa… oooooh oooh, baby
    You’ve got to let me kiss you, kiss you…
    Let me squeeze you… on your deeodada… oooooooooh oooh, baby
    You’ve got to let me kiss you, kiss you…
    Then I squeezed her real tight and I said:
    Jack and Jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water
    Jack fell down and broke his crown
    Jill said… “”Just don’t break your poo poo la la!””

    Anyway… four year passed…
    There I am sitting in my… R.A… N.Y.C.B.A.P.T
    Roy Ayers New York City Bachelor Appartment
    Doing my thing
    Minding my own business
    As a matter of fact, I was looking at… the television…
    And the telephone ring
    At that time, I had incorporated into my voice pattern what I call my “”Barry White Approach””
    And I picked up the phone and I said… “”HELLO?””
    There was no answer. I said it once again… “”HELLO?””
    And this voice came on the phone and it sounded just like this:

    “”Mmmmmmmm-mmmm-mmmmm… time went by and we both learned…
    …Ooooooh-ooooh, lonely nights increased our pain…
    Don’t ya think, don’t ya think, we should grow up?(?)
    Let’s rebuild our family tree, heeeyaaaa…
    Still love you… whether you’re right or wrong…
    Mmmmmmm baby, baby… poo poo la la means I love ya, boy””

    Outro: Roy Ayers
    Poo poo la la means I love you
    Love you, love you, love you, boy
    Poo poo la la means I love you
    Won’t… won’t you please listen to me?
    Poo poo la la means I love you
    I love you… yes I do
    Poo poo la la means I love you
    I love you tender, I love you sweet
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    I love you baby, yeeeaaaahahaha
    Poo poo la la means I love you
    Oooooh baby, don’t you know ?
    Poo poo la la means I love you…

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  • Critical Analyzer

    @555dubstreet June 29, 2022 7:17 AM

    Maybe immaculate conception is artificial insemination by aliens.

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  • @CA

    Remaking the point: the blogmaster has lived and experienced enough to know that some decisions are difficult to make caused as in this instance, moral and political dilemmas. Also with time the rationale undergirding said dilemmas change with time. Welcome to the journey called life, Project Process.

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  • @CA

    Whether it is a wedge issue for you is really not the point. In the reality of the world we life it is.

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  • From reading post on this blog for a number of years.. I’m not sure if Mr. Phillips is often serious on some topics or just being controversial. I found his post on the republic hilarious, and I think as a Christian man he wants to push his views when most would outright disagree with them.

    I do have great respect for him as a professional, but leave abortion decisions to females or couples regarding their choices.

    For the 60 million babies aborted, how many do you think were the result of incest and rape? Mr. Phillips, the one fact is you will never have to have to have one.

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  • “Whether it is a wedge issue for you is really not the point”

    I doubt CA has ever had an abortion or even considered having one, so it is more of a quantum physics hypothetical thought experiment about quantum mechanics, like Schrödinger’s cat that illustrates a paradox of quantum superposition.

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  • It is wrong for reactionary Christian men like Grenville to presume that they should have a voice in this matter. Some moral sense of rightness to impose,

    This is an issue which those who support his position are more interested in overcoming White genetic survival than perceived rights of the unborn. Racism!

    If rasssousl Grenville and his White Christian, dominionist, dispensationalist, mind sets cared about the perceived rights of an egg making contact with sperm they would have prevented all the privations children already here endure at the hands of the Whiteness which people like him do nothing but defend, as a central tendency.

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  • When I had a child or two it was easy and I didn’t even go to antenatal classes to learn about it

    Push Lady Push (Live)

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    This One’s Dedicated To You (Live)

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  • I would like my Wife and Sweetheart to be friends
    That’s the only way the jealousy will end

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  • LisaJune 29, 2022 7:54 AM

    For the 60 million babies aborted, how many do you think were the result of incest and rape?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Using the figures for Florida these numbers can be computed.

    0.98% for rape or about 600,000 out of the 60,000,000

    0.16% for incest or about 100,000 out of the 60,0000,000.

    Over 95% are inconvenient truths …. that is to say, over 57,000,000 babies are discarded/aborted based on considerations of convenience.

    Tough to look at it this way but its the real truth.

    It will not sit well with God.

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  • John the Johnny
    Does the hundreds of millions maybe billions of children killed by your ilk sit right with your stinking White god?

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  • @ Critical Analyzer June 29, 2022 7:33 AM
    (Quote):
    @555dubstreet June 29, 2022 7:17 AM

    Maybe immaculate conception is artificial insemination by aliens.
    (Unquote).
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    CA, a most interesting response to the 555 dubstreet ‘out-of-this-world suspicion.

    Maybe both of you are on to something way beyond your imagination about the story of your baby Jesus and his many siblings going back the dawn of oral history about the many contacts between ‘monkey man’ and his immaculate conception of the many man-made male god(s) without the role of females.

    If abortion is not a political issue but a mere “moral decision between a woman, the man, their doctor” how come you are being perceived as supportive of the recent decision to overturn the Roe v. Wade ruling?

    On what basis, then, can such a judicial revocation be justified?

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  • Inside My Love

    Two people, just meeting
    Barely touching each other
    Two spirits greeting
    Trying to carry it further

    You are one
    And I am another
    We should be one
    Inside each other

    You can see inside me
    Will you come inside me?
    Do you wanna ride inside my love?

    You can see inside me
    Will you come inside me?
    Do you wanna ride inside my love?

    Two strangers, not strangers
    Only lacking the knowing
    So willing, feeling, infinite growing

    While we’re here
    The whole world is turning
    We should be one
    Fulfilling our yearning
    You can see inside me

    Will you come inside me?
    Do you wanna ride inside my love?
    You can see inside me

    Will you come inside me?
    Do you wanna ride inside my love?
    You can see inside me

    Will you come inside me?
    Do you wanna ride inside my love?
    You can see inside me

    Will you come inside me?
    Do you wanna ride inside my love?
    You can see inside me

    Will you come inside me?
    Do you wanna ride inside my love?

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  • @ John June 29, 2022 8:40 AM
    (Quote):
    Over 95% are inconvenient truths …. that is to say, over 57,000,000 babies are discarded/aborted based on considerations of convenience.
    Tough to look at it this way but its the real truth.

    It will not sit well with God.
    (Unquote).
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    If killing is against your white god ‘moral’ expectations then tell us, our dear Sir Johnny, why would the same god record in his manual of moral instruction to mankind the following:

    God commanding Moses to kill:

    “They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man……..Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:7,17-18)”

    “Kill everything that breathes; from humans and animals!” Deuteronomy 20:16

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  • William Skinner

    “When are we going to criminalise men who run off and leave their children often leading to their having a MISERABLE LIFE?” ( Donna)

    “Too many women like to blame men for running off and leaving them with a child instead of blaming their bad decisions. Women have to stop all the male bashing and shoulder much more responsibility for their poor male selection skills.”(Critical Analyzer)

    And this is exactly why I have stated that male or female bashing will get us no where.
    Sometimes we need to look beyond the narrow confines of a problem and deal with the realities surrounding the problem.
    Once we get into gender wars nothing will be achieved especially as society evolves and people are now determining what sex they legally and personally prefer .
    Organs are no longer legally determining who is man or woman or who wants to be a man or woman.
    Time we all grew up a bit.

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  • Critical Analyzer

    @Miller June 29, 2022 8:54 AM

    If abortion is not a political issue but a mere “moral decision between a woman, the man, their doctor” how come you are being perceived as supportive of the recent decision to overturn the Roe v. Wade ruling?

    On what basis, then, can such a judicial revocation be justified?

    I support the judicial revocation because the original Roe v Wade decision was an overstep by the courts and the recent revocation is a correction of that mistake. The courts and judgements are there to interpret the laws that are there, not to set precedents that equate to new federal laws. A summary of the Roe v Wade case (https://supreme.findlaw.com/supreme-court-insights/roe-v–wade-case-summary–what-you-need-to-know.html)

    Too many laws are extrapolated and used for purposes other than they were originally intended. There is already a legislative framework in place that needs to do its job and update or create new laws to properly address the burning issues of the day instead of leaving it at the whims of judges to decide some smartly crafted court case to set a legal precedent law.

    As far I am concerned, no woman I get pregnant or child I have can get an abortion if I have anything to say about it unless it an at-risk pregnancy as I would willingly shoulder the entire responsibility of all the pregnancy expenses and raising the child to adulthood if they did not want it. But as for someone not descended from me, I don’t care what they do or not do as I am not prepared to shoulder the responsibility of raising that child so what they do is entirely up to them as they will get no help raising the child from me.

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  • Skinner
    Your conclusion is sublime ignorance. A logical fallacy which plays into the very hands of your otherwise enemies. Answer us this singular question. Can any of these formations produce a humanoid?

    For if your answer is no, as it must be. Then you are an advert supporter of an extremeist wokeist, eugenacist doctrine as like your other “progressive” bedfellows

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  • CA

    Oh ho! So women are to be blamed for the man running off and leaving the child! Did not the man too choose to have sex and risk procreating? Did he not also make a bad decision? Is it not also a bad decision for a man to have indiscriminate sexual relations knowing that an unwanted pregnancy could be the outcome? Should only women be made to suffer for bad decisions.

    Typical male response. Misogyny even in a milder form is what you suffer from.

    Told ya, scratch the surface and it all hangs out there!

    William,

    I don’t know how you intend to solve this problem without discussions of what are the responsibilities of both parties to the child THEY ARE BOTH responsible for creating.

    Do you agree that CA needs a little adjustment in perspective? Then how do we teach our young men to have that right perspective.

    I can guarantee you that there would be fewer abortions if women were more selective in their choices of partners. I can also guarantee you that there would be fewer abortions if wutless men took on their moral obligations to their offspring.

    We cannot deal with this issue by avoiding a substantial part of the issue.

    “Babe, I pregnant!”

    “Babe???? Who is babe?”

    You can “grow up” all by yourself. I will confront the reality of the true stories that women tell each other. Many, many, women.

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  • @Grenville “Why do mothers choose Abortion? They are essentially three categories of reasons.”

    How many women who have had abortions have you consulted before coming to these conclusions?

    Please provide us with your evidence?

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  • William Skinner

    @ Pacha
    I am simply stating a fact of how society is evolving whether I agree with it is a completely different matter.
    Every single day you , others and myself come here offering opinions on various subjects , while we exist under a system we despise.
    To ignore where a society is heading is as defeatist as not doing anything to change it.
    You and others can rail against how sexual identity and the new wave of sexual identity is being promoted. It will not and cannot stop it.
    You will find that intellectually your views on modern sexuality maybe very close to the Bible that you , I and others dismiss.
    So, you can call it ignorance but acknowledging societal truths should not be taken lightly.
    Finally , I don’t see why you should ask me a question that really deserves no answer!
    Peace.

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  • It is not a legal issue it is about the society evolving such as women’s independence, women’s rights movement, also called women’s liberation movement, diverse social movement, largely based in the United States, that in the 1960s and ’70s sought equal rights and opportunities and greater personal freedom for women, feminism and the economic independence.

    I don’t see any male bashing I see an opposition shadow Government female bashing, through a corrupted Supreme Court with an ulterior motive.

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  • @Grenville “The third category is that the baby will not be able to survive independently as an adult.”

    What does this mean?

    NONE of us survive independently as an adult.

    I am fairly certain that somebody else will prepare at least some of your meals today. Fairly certain as well that somebody’s else’s hands has cleaned your house more than once this month.

    What is independence?

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  • I’ve know so-called adult men who claim not to be able to look after their own child for one week while the mother goes away on a business trip.

    Is this male helplessness real, or are such men frauds?

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  • William Skinner

    @ Donna

    “Typical male response. Misogyny even in a milder form is what you suffer from.”

    You make your submissions and you suffer from nothing. Now you put me in a chair and brilliantly determines that I suffer from a mild form of misogyny.
    Well , I’ll leave it there. You obviously know me better than any female I have ever dealt with personally or professionally .

    Peace

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  • Dear All:

    An important question is, when does the egg and sperm become a person, deserving of the right to live? That is a medical, spiritual, and legal question, that has medical, spiritual and legal consequences.

    In Barbados, the legal question has been settled – a person has a right to life, and protected from arbitrary termination, from the moment of conception.

    Medically, a person is viable before birth.

    Spiritually, a person is sentient before birth.

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  • When you get into the head of Trump’s psyche he wanted to agitate many people with his anti-immigration law and anti-abortion Scotus.

    A racist white nationalist as shown by his reaction to #BlackLIvesMatter protests calling them animals while supporting racist police killings.

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  • In one case he said “I don’t know how to plait her hair”

    I am not very good at plaiting either. I am probably the only Caribbean woman who cannot plait cornrows. So what did i do as my children were coming up? i befriended family, friends and neighbors who can do cornrows. And sometimes I paid someone else to do it. I can’t fly airplanes either but when I leave the rock I pay somebody else to fly the plane.

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  • Abortion is NOT against the law in Barbados. Has not been against the law since the early to mid-70’s. I can’t remember the exact date. But abortion has NOT been illegal in Barbados since Grenville was in diapers.

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  • @Grenville “That soul cannot be destroyed. To those who believe this, abortion for convenience is the murder of their fellow human beings.”

    If one sperm and one egg has a soul, and since as you state a soul cannot be destroyed, then it is impossible for that little 2 cell thing to be murdered. since the 2 cell thing is immortal.

    How is it possible to murder an immortal thing?

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  • Miller

    The bible thumping answer is, “You can’t question God!”

    Oh dear! Such nonsense!

    Babies being killed by God, babies who have committed no sin!

    All these things made me know that MEN wrote the bible to suit themselves, fashioning God in their image.

    And they do not understand that quoting bible verses has no effect on me.

    Read my lips, “I DON’T CARE!”

    DON’T CARE ABOUT THEIR FAKE VIDEOS EITHER.

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  • William Skinner,

    I have so far seen no signs that you are a misogynist.

    Did you not see that the first part of my post was addressed to CA?

    Peace back at yuh!

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  • @ Critical Analyzer June 29, 2022 10:03 AM
    “I support the judicial revocation because the original Roe v Wade decision was an overstep by the courts and the recent revocation is a correction of that mistake. The courts and judgements are there to interpret the laws that are there, not to set precedents that equate to new federal laws.”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    A well reasoned counter-argument!

    However, you will have to explain the role of the same SCOTUS in the Brown v. Board of Education case.

    What happens when a law of an individual state clashes with that of a Federal law as in the case of marijuana; or even in the case of condoms in the ‘moral majority’ eyes of an earlier generation of right-wing-nut-job Americans?

    Would you also support any republican-state initiated movement to overturn the recently passed piece of federal legislation called the Emmett Till Anti-lynching Act?

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  • Slavery worked across generations because our fore-parents were perceived as less than human – and not the victims.

    Slavery worked for hundreds of years because the capitalists liked it so. They loved the money, the easy life, the no-wage workers, the sitting on their fat behinds, the power over others…it had nothing to do with the supposed inferiority of your great, great grandparents and mine. Because neither your great, great grandparents nor mine ever less that human.

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  • Many pregnancies, perhaps most terminate naturally, sometimes even before the woman knows that she is pregnant. These early natural terminations are only rarely mourned.

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  • Skinner

    This wokeist predetermination of yours is far from any truism.

    Those deviations have long existed. However, what you and your ilk postulate as truth is merely a political agenda designed by your enemies in Washington to distract from other real truths.

    You should know these rasssoul people people better than most. And if there was genuine interests in the so-called rights of these fictitious and antihuman sexual formations, why have other issues such as poverty or racism which affect vastly more people not given the same kind of attention?

    Why are those who have no interests in abortion because of their chosen personal proclivities so interested in this issue? We would have thought that this was predominately an issue for heterosexual females and their men.

    We’re asking questions. But like you skillfully evaded our central one above we have no doubt that this one tooooo will follow suit.

    We are surprised that a rassssoul Bible could be summoned as comparison with our thinking. Like David, and after years of saying this, you too fail to understand what an Afrocentric philosophical bedrock position neans. For it will never conform to what the likes of you consider progressive.

    This writer remains disinterested in who sleeps with whom. But for any rassoul body to have us accept that a man is a woman and that a woman is a man. or something in between, will never be a reality nor ever will it be right order of things.

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  • William Skinner,

    The bible has been drummed into our brain from small. It is hard to get all of it out.

    Even when it is out of your conscious thinking, its subconscious effect remains.

    So that what I THINK about modern sexuality and what I FEEL are not yet aligned. I have always to make a conscious effort to bring them into alignment.

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  • William Skinner

    @ Pacha
    I don’t exactly know where you are attempting to go on this one. I merely made a statement which was designed to broaden the discussion into perhaps recognizing the new sexual norms.
    And you are putting me in some box with @ David.
    Come on man , it is not your acceptance or rejection that matters here. It’s a fact.

    @ Donna
    You are absolutely correct. Like it or not the Bible has been supremely planted in our psyche.

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  • Religion is for one but not all, Barbados is drafting a new Constitution which will incorporate Women’s Rights and will now make provisions for Abortion Rights.

    Talk Some Sense
    My Nocturne (Talk Some Sense Version)

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  • Cuhdear Bajan,

    Even somewhat later miscarriages that are quietly mourned tend not to have funerals. The hospital incinerator is the resting place, I believe, for most. The parents don’t even want to look at the lizard looking thing. They’d probably be horrified.

    Now, if it looked like a human being, they would want to see.

    Bingo!

    My mother had a miscarriage after she was visibly showing. I remember it well, though I could not have been more than ten years old.

    We never mourned. We never even spoke of it again. I only just remembered it.

    Mind these controllers!

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  • Treasures Of The World
    My Nocturne (Treasures Of The World Version)

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  • Skinner
    What you call the new sexual norms are anything but. Merely a political ploy designed by massa as they run out of gimmicks. You shall soon see!

    Still, not a question answered.

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  • @Magnificent a.k.a Magno etc. “why do woman shave their pussies?”

    Women do this???

    I’ve never heard of such a thing.

    SMH

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  • When my eldest child was born only pregnancies which were more than 20 weeks old needed to be reported to the authorities and recorded on a certificate of live birth. The authorities had ZERO interest in any other pregnancy outcomes. There was no state agency to which I had to or could report to that I had aborted, or miscarried etc. before 20 weeks along.

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  • @Donna June 29, 2022 11:04 AM “My mother had a miscarriage after she was visibly showing. I remember it well, though I could not have been more than ten years old. We never mourned. We never even spoke of it again.”

    So did my mother. She was in her late 40’s [in my family menopause tends to occur mid to late 50’s] and already a mother to 9 living children. That pregnancy was not mourned, was never mentioned again. It is probably that the thing was never born. Other mum might have spent the rest of her life into her old age looking after a severely disabled scarcely human.

    Do I mourn that “sibling”

    NO.

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  • @Critical Analyzer June 29, 2022 7:09 AM “…poor male selection skills…”

    Maybe the males are a piss poor collection?

    Lol!

    Can’t make a silk purse out of an old boar’s ear.

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  • I know of an infant who was discovered to have spina bifida.

    I see the burial marker where the infant was buried by their parents every time I am in the churchyard.

    Different strokes for different folks.

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  • People should stop having sex for fun and only perform the deed for procreation.

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  • @Critical Analyzer June 29, 2022 7:09 AM “Pregnancy always takes both man and woman consenting unless there is rape or the woman goes to a sperm bank.”

    Clearly you have never heard of stealthing?

    What is stealthing?? “Non-consensual condom removal, or “stealthing”, is the practice of a man removing a condom during sexual intercourse without consent, when his sex partner has only consented to condom-protected sex. Victims are exposed to potential sexually transmitted infections such as HIV/AIDS, or unwanted pregnancy?
    Source: Wikipedia

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  • @Critical Analyzer June 29, 2022 7:21 AM “Here is an article on abortion reasons. It is from a pro-life site but the statistics are good statistics.”

    How do you reason that statistics taken from an admittedly biased site are “good statistics”?

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  • Employees and Employers
    Some Employers in Red States have announced that they will cover the costs for their female Employees to travel to Blue States to obtain Abortions.
    Their Accounting Departments calculated it would be more cost effective than paying for unproductive Maternity Leave.

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  • William Skinner

    @ Donna
    You are correct. Your comment about misogyny was obviously not intended for me. Kindly accept my apology.

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  • Cuhdear BajanJune 29, 2022 11:48 AM

    @Critical Analyzer June 29, 2022 7:09 AM “Pregnancy always takes both man and woman consenting unless there is rape or the woman goes to a sperm bank.”

    Clearly you have never heard of stealthing?

    What is stealthing?? “Non-consensual condom removal, or “stealthing”, is the practice of a man removing a condom during sexual intercourse without consent, when his sex partner has only consented to condom-protected sex. Victims are exposed to potential sexually transmitted infections such as HIV/AIDS, or unwanted pregnancy?
    Source: Wikipedia

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Good idea for you to keep up to date on the various nefarious deeds of men.

    You never know when one will pull off a stunt like that on you!!

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  • @John June 29, 2022 8:40 AM “0.98% for rape or about 600,000 out of the 60,000,000. 0.16% for incest or about 100,000 out of the 60,0000,000.”

    I am glad that those 600,000 + 100,000 were NEVER born. Half of them would probably have been violent and wufless just like their daddies who thought that rape and fooping their own teenage daughter are fun activities.

    No country needs hundreds of thousands more potential violent sex offenders.

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  • @Miller at 9:18 “They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man…Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:7,17-18)”

    Why is it that musty, stinking, unwashed men always looking for 12 year old girls to foop without consent?

    Tell me why?

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  • African Online Publishing Copyright ⓒ 2022. All Rights Reserved

    “Merely a political ploy designed by massa as they run out of gimmicks. You shall soon see!”

    lots of ploys and games playing over our heads…..as has been for centuries…better GRAB HOLD OF YOUR OWN DESTINY don’t let it go and REJECT any planned for you without your knowledge and CONSENT….another rape….

    Pach….am sure you noticed the recent goings on….for want of a better word……..everything is coming to a head though…

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    re abortion…ya know when the ladies take off their shirts and bras….they MEAN BUSINESS….everywhere they are like….get out of our bodies and ABORT the court.

    ..a bunch of sexless looking retarded men CANNOT decide what we do with our bodies…time to put an end to that…..their arrogance and man made power is consuming them…

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    *Pacha

    been correcting all morning, before a clown jumps out..lol

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  • @Donna June 29, 2022 10:51 AM “So that what I THINK about modern sexuality and what I FEEL are not yet aligned.”

    There is no modern sexuality. There has always been gay men, lesbains, and people as we used to say ac/dc, bi-sexuals. There has always been men who behave “womanish” and women who behave “mannish” In Barbados the term “she-she” was often used.

    Although I read a case in the UK media last week where a fellow after “thinking” about it for TWO YEARS decided to have his testicles and penis removed and an artificial vagina created. He said that immediately after the surgery he regretted it. He said that he did not truly understand beforehand that such surgery is life altering. He is now blaming the British National Health Service. He has now returned to living as a man. Yes he is a modern man. One of a kind. If modern humans are homo sapiens sapiens. Clearly this fellow is missing at least one sapiens.

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  • What a ting, nuh! The bible and “God” at their best!

    Keep the virgins whose whole families you have slaughtered for yourself!

    A woman loves to have sex with a man who has brutally butchered her mother, her father and all her siblings before her very eyes!

    I am sure the sex was consensual!

    #godorderedrape

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  • African Online Publishing Copyright ⓒ 2022. All Rights Reserved

    “He said that immediately after the surgery he regretted it. ”

    same thing happening to teenagers…..in metropolis countries, they are getting these gender reassignment surgeries promoted by government departments that are paying……for underage boys and girls to switch sexes……and don’t see that IS SO MUCH WORSE and MORE DESTRUCTIVE THAN ABORTION….of a spot of blood with two eyes…

    that’s what they have promoted in the schools and on questionable websites with all these confused CRAZIES misleading people’s children for the last 5-10 years….and of course it’s coming to a copycat island near you…

    they are destroying your ALREADY CONFUSED teenagers, but they know what they are doing…

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  • African Online Publishing Copyright ⓒ 2022. All Rights Reserved

    No…the parents did not know their children were being SET UP in the schools and ONLINE, it’s been ongoing for YEARS…a teacher recently got caught somewhere, can’t remember right now, but parents called for her firing……the first sign that something was going on was when a lot of celebrity kids who are now young adults decided that they wanted to switch sexes….when they were 6 a nd 7 years old…

    some parents enabled them in that crap like the bored and empty-headed usually do….some did not reassign their sex and outgrew the crazy, resumed their original identities, but some cut out sex organs and breasts, are now just what they wanted to be as misguided….and REGRET IT..

    when the state and schools target your children, they do not stand a chance…that is why Jamaica took the lead and said straight up…not bout hey…

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  • Skinner 10 16

    There is no evolving or evolutionary process here, given etymology. It’s a mere imperial project not dissimilar to neoliberslism.

    A political project buttressed by economy and a large number of sheeple willing to drink the servings of Jim Jones. Indeed, not unlike religion with its doctrinal pretense

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    So far…tons of white kids fell into that trap,..they lost a whole generation to that already, collateral damage….

    am sure there are others in minority groups, the wannabes…

    , have not seen any Afrikan descended fall into that yet, not saying that there were none because i saw a bunch of celebrity males running around in dresses, high heels and doing all kinds of strange things…and ya done know that has a trickle down effect for Afrikan youths who are watching..

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  • @African Online Publishing Copyright ⓒ 2022. All Rights Reserved June 29, 2022 1:25 PM ”
    “same thing happening to teenagers…”

    The British chappie was 25.

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    This from WebMD:

    “March 22, 2022 — People who had transitioned to the opposite gender and later decided to reverse their transition shared about how they felt the medical establishment had failed them in a unique Zoom conference earlier this month.”

    This from National Library of Medicine
    “Background:
    There is an unknown percentage of transgender and gender non-confirming individuals who undergo gender-affirmation surgeries (GAS) that experience regret. Regret could lead to physical and mental morbidity and questions the appropriateness of these procedures in selected patients. The aim of this study was to evaluate the prevalence of regret in transgender individuals who underwent GAS and evaluate associated factors.”

    This from mailonline:

    “Hundreds of transgender youths who had gender reassignment surgery wish they hadn’t and want to transition back, says trans rights champion”

    so if yall really want to do something for the Afrikan children in Barbados…..don’t care how many gay pride flags they are flying everywhere and are so proud….just remember ……Barbados cannot pay its debts nor feed the people, meaning they cannot pay for reassignment surgery for young people….make sure you speak to parents before that crap ends up in the schools…some idiot funds it…and you can’t get it out of the schools…..

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    Cuddear…all ages….because you are 25, 28, 30 years old…does not mean you understand what you are doing when you are a follower, not a leader, and following MENTALLY SICK PEOPLE…and those with ulterior motives…

    if you check out the articles you will see there are teenagers but also many adults…

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  • Waru
    We see that everybody in the world is the same age today – 2022.

    Year of birth plus age, equals 2022. A once in a 1000 year event, numerical equation.

    If our main man Bushie were here he would have had some metaphysical meaning to so ascribe.

    But the lowly Obeah man down the street could only suggest that cosmogeny, of the Ancient conceptual frame, maybe sending a reminder.

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  • Age during the year

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    Yes Pacha….does not happen often but it does happen..

    should show them that they are out of control like those who follow them….

    ……Ra has to haul them in at some time…

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    add a year signifying your next birthday…and see…

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    I have my opinions about that….

    .need to speak to those dudes in the Congo……or the Malian Dogon…

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  • William Skinner

    @ Pacha
    You are missing my position all the time. Regardless of whether it is being pushed by the left , the right or those in between it’s upon us and therefore it forms part of the conversation.
    Whether we oppose or embrace it is terribly unimportant to the current discourse.
    I have already read in the local papers that some people are warning us not to sign on to certain trends in schools that are promoting this no gender preference.
    So, while you and I maybe on the same page it does not mean it does not exsist.
    And you ought to know that our leaders will tend to be in the forefront for several different reasons.
    But that’s a discussion that will soon arise anyhow and you know very well why it will be supported.

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  • I stand firm in my belief that a person should do with their body whatsoever they wish as long as it does not infringe on another person’s rights. I am yet to determine what rights are taken away from me specifically by virtue of a person being lbgtq.

    As such, I am prepared to afford them the same rights I wish to be afforded to control my body and my sexuality. I do not promote lbgtq. I simply advocate for their right to live as they please.

    I think people should think loooong and hard before they attempt a major change such as a transition and parents should allow their children to dress and be whatever gender they feel comfortable with but they should not sign off on any irreversible medical procedure.

    This decision should be made by the person at the adult stage.

    To each his or her own must be good for everyone.

    Cuhdear Bajan,

    True. Only transgendering is new. What I meant was a modern inclusive approach to sexuality.

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  • Skinns

    De way yuh write dah ………… gotta reinstate your knighthood.😎

    Has it not been always part of the ‘conversation’?

    The real question is why now, at this auspicious historical moment?

    Has it not always ‘exist’ – Ed?

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  • JohnJune 29, 2022 12:16 PM

    Cuhdear BajanJune 29, 2022 11:48 AM

    @Critical Analyzer June 29, 2022 7:09 AM “Pregnancy always takes both man and woman consenting unless there is rape or the woman goes to a sperm bank.”

    Clearly you have never heard of stealthing?

    What is stealthing?? “Non-consensual condom removal, or “stealthing”, is the practice of a man removing a condom during sexual intercourse without consent, when his sex partner has only consented to condom-protected sex. Victims are exposed to potential sexually transmitted infections such as HIV/AIDS, or unwanted pregnancy?
    Source: Wikipedia

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Good idea for you to keep up to date on the various nefarious deeds of men.

    You never know when one will pull off a stunt like that on you!!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I seem to remember you expressed an interest in certain methods a while back to improve worn out body parts.

    Came across this and I would urge caution.

    Of course, if you listen to Wendy’s sister, it is your body and you can do with it as you please but sometimes, things can go wrong.

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    Only minority women seem to have such problems…

    .healthy Afrikan women don’t…

    have never ever heard an Afrikan woman say she had to rejuvenate her vagina..

    ….what have these been doing and getting up to with theirs that it needs rejuvenation…it’s not an elastic band…

    am in my 60s, someone will have to explain to me the reason…where did this come from….

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  • Off message:
    R. Kelly given 30 years prison sentence. His wings have been clipped.

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  • You can’t roast old duck, it has to be fresh.

    Take Back Your Duck

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  • African Online Publishing Copyright ⓒ 2022. All Rights Reserved

    bad skin that stretches like elastic can be the only answer..

    ..Afrikan women have no such problem…never heard of it…

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    TLSN…..good for him, he has been a pest in women’s lives for his whole life,…..let those big bad dudes in prison pester him for the rest of his…he is now 55 years old and will be someone’s betch…..

    saw the other predator got 20 years yesterday for grooming young girls for celebrity rape and got a one way ticket to Danbury…….that one too had a very long run….

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  • William Skinner

    @ Pacha
    Do you realise that after 94 years Lamming could not get us to move forward.
    How are we going to move forward if we ignore how the society is evolving.
    We now have the mammoth job of stopping these jokers from using the class room to indoctrinate our young kids into the emerging lifestyles.
    We ignore these things at our own peril.
    This struggle had to be fought on many fronts.

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  • African Online Publishing Copyright ⓒ 2022. All Rights Reserved

    Something has to give William….things just cannot remain the same. imposing what THEY WANT on other people has to end….

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    And as for those with their slave plantations and nasty plans for Afrikan people……well, as long as they know that i made the topic an editorial for this month’s Kush Quarterly issue, and that magazine is READ WORLDWIDE……..so let us see any plans that got a WHIFF of enslavement and slave wages for the majority population, and they will see..

    totally exhausted from that publication but worth it, i especially wanted to get that article paying tribute to George Lamming out there…….

    Pacha….check it out when you have the time..

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  • On both these subjects. The denial of the woman’s divine right to control Her body and our world.

    And this manufacture of a sexual multipolarity as a political project to mislead by wokeists are the works of White people.

    The exceptional Whites often cited here by those who elevate the exception and deny the truth about the general tendencies as historically proven.

    Louis Farrakhan, Elijah Mohammad and Malcolm X called the White man The Drvil. And they were and are right.

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  • The Church is responsible for the fear that surrounds the subject of sex, which has been a legacy for many generations since Industrial Revolution. It wasn’t always like that before, people enjoyed it, without understanding it as much as they do now, it was considered natural and people would even do it outside of their bedrooms closed doors and out in nature, there wasn’t guilt or dirt associated with it.

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  • Queue jumping
    Gay rights is a means of avoiding the more ticklish issue of black rights where both are classified minorities.
    When Brits go to Africa and Commonwealth they will whitesplain prejudice against gays as white noise whataboutery to drown out and cancel black voices arguing about white supremacy and associated crimes.

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  • 555

    We love White people’s agendas.

    This week tens of Afrikans were murdered fleeing starvation on the border of Morocco,

    Starvation caused by climate change fueled by the industrial revolution in the West.

    Moroccan Arab racists paid for, officially and unofficially, by the Spanish government.

    A Spanish regime which has just accepted 110,000 Ukrainians and their families.

    But the privations imposed on Afrika cannot be remedied by refugees as legitimized by various conventions.

    Not BU. Not any other media in any country known would cover this.

    Black lives have never mattered.

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  • Pachamama

    One thing or two things you forgot when you said Russia was beating Ukraine and it’s Shadow West was:

    Whenever Brits lose they will change the rules

    Anything America loses they take back again

    They have reversed their “non-involvement” and are ganging up and gearing up on Russia (and China) for World War III

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