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Grenville Phillips, candidate for St. George North and Leader of Solutions Barbados

The Prime Minister advised that CBC should allow debates between all candidates contesting the St George North by-election.  Political parties do not have to participate in these debates.  However, we think that it would be unwise not to participate.

By participating, Candidates have the opportunity to both explain their plans to voters, and defend their plans from scrutiny from other candidates and the moderator.

At present, candidates are simply mentioning their plans to voters.  But neither our professional organisations or journalists are checking to see whether the plans are workable.  Neither are they questioning whether the candidates have any capacity to implement their plans.

The debates are an opportunity to expose the plans to scrutiny.  In preparation for the debates, let us review each party’s plans.  The parties can then improve the plans for the benefit of the constituents, and to better prepare for the debates.

REVIEW OF PARTY’S PLANS.

The BLP plans to bring prosperity to the people of St George North through fish farming.  The main questions are: Is this an idea whose feasibility now needs to be studied?  Is the implementation date this year, or 2023?  Who is funding this idea?  What experience does the candidate have to implement it?

The DLP plans to assist the youth in cricket, and to have a skills bank.  The main questions are:  What about the youth that do not want to play cricket?  The skills bank idea has been tried and failed, because people want to employ the best skills available in Barbados for their job.  So, what is different about this skills bank that improves its chances of success?  What experience does the candidate have to manage a skills bank?

The UPP plans to monetise the creative industries.  The example given was making money by uploading videos to YouTube on the Internet.  The main questions are:  What training is required to implement this idea?  What experience does the Candidate have in making money from YouTube videos?

The BFP plans to do construction activities.  The main question is: What capacity does the Candidate have in implementing this idea?

Audio Link of Article

The PdP plans to do farming.  Farming has been proposed by political parties in every election since our Independence.  Those who try it have to contend with monkeys and humans stealing their produce.  There is also the risk of excessive rain, drought, and limited water.  Farmers have to invest much for months before seeing a return.  So the main question is, how are these foreseen issues being addressed?

Solutions Barbados plans to employ persons in the construction of houses, and to train families to start businesses, with no start-up money.  I have 30 years of experience in the construction industry, and am the 2014 winner of the National Innovation Competition.  I already train people how to build strong and low-maintenance houses, and to start profitable businesses.  Therefore,
I welcome the scrutiny.

Let the debates begin.

Grenville Phillips II is a Chartered Structural Engineer, and the Solutions Barbados’ candidate for St George North.  He can be reached at NextParty246@gmail.com

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277 responses to “Let the Debates Begin”


  1. Willian Skinner
    You have a chink in your armour.

    Just a few weeks ago you were a stalwart defender of Prescod.

    IN spite of our repeated warnings you persisted, accompanied by your dishonest, ugly friend from London. How come a political doyen like you could not have known, decade ago, that Prescod was and has always been a scallywag pretending to be a pan-Africanist.

    Now, who’s the teacher and who is neophyte.


  2. @Greene

    Dont get tie up, words are about communicating. On the pages of BU there is a heavy use of words barbadiana. Some of you are too rh dishonest, disingenuous and hypocritical.


  3. @William

    We must not let our colonial experience or language differences to separate us. The Caribbean is a great place. We cannot pay lip service to Caribbean unity then hide behind the facade of Barbadianism.
    I say again, it is now a week that Jamaican have opened a digital bank in the UK. When I called it a Jamaican bank, I was corrected and told it was Caribbean. Barbadians cannot even set up a credit union in the UK.
    Jamaicans have been the great success story of Caribbean people in the UK, and apart from one or two individual Barbadians and their children, we are also rans. Is it cultural?

  4. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    David I would have to describe myself as an “old cogger” too (certainly my body acts that way with the age) but the term “throwing shade” was familiar to me… so not sure age is the limiting aspect here!

    Frankly the term itself is “old” to me (being aware of it) … I would agree with you tho that it has simply gained greater currency bcz of social media and before that due to its use in popular TV/entertainment shows.

    I am amused therefore that it’s so “unknown” and generates this ‘buzz’.

    But that suggests – as should be obvious, really – that colloquialisms are only as familiar as our exposure to the culture from whence they come … so we know lots of English ‘slang’ like “old cogger” !

    What is wrong with using and imbibing American slang if we are now more overtly exposed to that ..
    I daresay the bloody blokes in Britain would love that we remain at her ‘Majesty’s pleasure’ and be gobsmacked under their bonnets forever … never to nick under the hood of those often daft n dodgy yankees … If u get my drift!

    Embrace all the blows and skirts vernacular do … we need to stop getting snookered into these culture word games !

    I gone.

    Oh BTW a TV debate – as all have said – for a byelection is pure political theater or as the Brits would opine pure waffling by the PM!


  5. PDP,

    i confess i get real pissed off with Americanisms and our quick appropriation of ithem

    i hate to hear us talking about loaning out something or any of the new terms that emanate from Yankland.

    i am just waiting to hear one of our politicians say ‘bigly’

  6. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    LOL … re that reference to “conversate”, oh boy.

    I also previously thought that it was straight up BS or as suggested illiterate blundering … But as ALL language usage there is always much more to the mortar than the pestle (that British influence again).

    I also hate the word yet it actually has been around much, much longer than I knew, I discovered … it’s all about cultural nuances and how we choose to frame our acceptance of what’s ‘educated’ speech, I presume.

    One small other nuance that grates with me is “carry and bring”.

    I always knew them as having specific context of usage … I carry an item to a point to which I am going and bring that item to the point to which I am coming …

    So I am chaffed that the smooth English of my youth has become this annoying American thing where “John when you leave tomorrow can you bring that wine to your aunt” is standard.

    Man that grates the senses … 😂 but it’s now what’s accepted so I need to get some velvet on my grater device to kill the annoyance!

    C’est la vie!


  7. @David,

    are you attending the debates or watching and streaming live?


  8. @Greene

    Which debate?


  9. for the SGN by election. what other debate is there?

  10. William Skinner Avatar

    @ Pacha
    I have already communicated my displeasure with Comrade Prescod via certain trusted sources.
    I am no political doyen and I am comfortable with the term neophyte. You have claimed that “ we” predicted that the DLP would not win a seat. I have read on BU where “ we” predicted at least five other outcomes.
    I am not we therefore I tend to express my positions to the best of my limited ability. Comrade Prescod is still held in great esteem by me.
    I have not misjudged his character; I have only questioned his judgement.
    You can proceed to put him under the guillotine or whatever. And I don’t know him to be a scallywag or want to be Pan- Africanist.
    I know the man as a brother and Comrade. What I consider to be a mistake or opportunistic grasp will not dirty this position . I myself has been judged and often misjudged.
    Peace.

  11. William Skinner Avatar

    @ Hal
    We spend so much time running from ourselves that we don’t even have time to catch up with those we seek to be.
    Like I said when getting a bus on time or having your garbage collected is a cause for celebration, it’s difficult to detect exactly where or who we are.


  12. There is the US presidential debate LOL

    You are suggesting we do live blogging?


  13. Derek Alleyne ran for the DLP in the 1994 and 1999 elections. He was a DLP government senator between 2008-2009 while Deputy General Secretary of the NUPW before he was appointed Director of UDC. But anyone remembers this individual “Deputy Governor – Operations of the Central Bank of Barbados between 2000 and 2004, and as Chief Executive Officer of the Barbados Tourism Investment Inc. from 2004”? Went straight from civil servant to Cabinet.🤣🤣


  14. William Skinner

    Where are the contradictions cited by you.

    Our predictions werr based on the results of the election before last where this writer predicted that unless the dlp were to form a coalition with osa there would be a wipe out last time, as it was.

    But it was you who cautioned that five years was too long, an eternity in politics.

    Now, cite even one other prediction to the contrary as made by this writer. That can be the only way of proving your point.


  15. @ William

    One gets used to the notion of Barbadians talking (or now blogging) and claiming all kinds of genius predictions. Nowhere do we see evidence of this extraordinary achievements.
    I the meantime, while we talk rubbish, the rest of the world is moving on. On my patch, the Africans are now joining the Tories and promoting policies that are effectively anti-black. Only today a top government report came out, front by a Muslim and Ghanaian, which claims that the disproportionate number of blacks and Asians who have fallen victim to CoVid were not victims of race, but of poverty. It i wrong.
    There is now a huge campaigning talking about working class white boys being disadvantaged by black people, who get all the attention. Can you think of anything more perverse?
    Now we have a president who cannot even see the necessity of having progressive policies; her contempt for ordinary people is palpable, her distaste for our parliamentary democracy is obvious and her inescapable arrogance is mind-blowing.
    Yet we get people coming on BU, many cannot even afford to give themselves a decent meal when the day comes, boasting of their support for this cultish figure.

  16. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    HAL

    You seeing things clear, clear, clear.


  17. @David,

    everyone enjoys a spectacle and i am not talking about the US presidential debate


  18. “Embrace all the blows and skirts vernacular do … we need to stop getting snookered into these culture word games!”

    @dpD

    I agree with Mr. Skinners’ October 22, 2020 12:12 PM contribution. I remember an academic saying Eric Sealy and Mark Williams were not historians, because they didn’t have graduate or post-graduate qualification in history.
    What also made me laughed was, during an interview, the then president of the social workers association said, despite her work with charities, children and the elderly, Olga ‘Auntie Olga’ Lopes-Seale was not a social worker, because did not have a BSc in social work.
    That individual would have taken 3 or 4 years to complete his social work degree and then had work to gain the knowledge and experience ‘Auntie Olga’ accumulated over the years.

    I also agree that American ‘slang’ has crept into our society. I’ve read on BU, for example, the same people who are advocating for the proper use of English, often referring to children as ‘kids.’ I believe anyone who wants to pride themselves on the proper use of English language, would never use ‘kids’ in their daily speech or writings. But, that’s just MY PERSONAL opinion.
    I’ve also read some contributors using UK slang, such as ‘buggers,’ which is defined by some sources as a ‘mild swear word,’ to describe other contributors.

    Now we’re ‘talking’ about insults………. today is not the first time I’ve read the accusation, but, unless it can be indicated otherwise, I can’t remember reading any contribution on BU, in which the author referred to another contributor as a ‘polymath.’
    There is a regular contributor, for example, who described me as ‘an appallingly ignorant bookkeeper that learnt by rote.’ That particular individual also takes every opportunity afforded him, to make snide, subtle references about me. And, only recently, I was referred to as “a brain dead idiot, slimy pig and social vermin,” for simply responding to someone who subtly attacked me. But, I don’t come on BU everyday to rehash the past and continue making a big issue about it. Probably if I were ‘thin skinned.’

    ‘Life is short,’ and, I don’t care what people I see almost daily say, bother me. So why should I spend my remaining years worrying myself about what people on a blog I do not know, whether they use real names or pseudonyms……… write about me?


  19. Unlike the ugly man from england, this writer has never had to rely on anybody’s welfare state.

    And being a strict vegan for forty years means that all manner of the kinds of things his ilk imbibes are not at all appealing, acceptable.

    We have an unusual relationship with food and drink. Currently, its one meal a day please. All part of a strict keto-vegan diet, Intermitting fasting. And all foods must be certified organic.

    You poor boys hiding under the Queen’s skirt always come here with an attitude that there must all be barefoot boys running bout somewhere in the Back Ivy. But no!


  20. Pachamama yessss!!!


  21. Why hasnt govt been transparent about the deal/ deals between govt and the new owners / management of Harrison Caves
    All the news media has said so far lends to workers being retrenched
    Sometimes it makes for wonder if Mia thinks she owns the whole of Barbados
    All must remember Mia hooting and hollering about transparency and accountability for 10 years
    What is so different now
    Did the cat cut her lying tongue


  22. Asking fuh a friend

    Is it true that if Toni Moore wins she will replace Dr Sonia Browne as Chair of Committees?
    This means that Toni will now receive her fat General Secretary salary of $12, 000 plus allowances of $3000 along with another $13, 000 as chair.
    It means that she will earn a month nearly 30 k as the leader of working class people. People of St George need to wait up!
    She sending home people and hiring herself.


  23. if you want to look behind the Harrison’s Cave deal, examine the relationship between the uncle of MAM and the new Jamaican management of the Cave. you may or may not see the connection.


  24. Why should the public have to go poking around to find answers to the govt/ Harrison deals/ agreements
    That is the biggest insults to the barbadian people
    Now if one holds media feet to fire for not asking relevant question that would be quite understandable
    However govt cannot go selling off barbados / barbadians assets or make back door negotiations towards any barbados assets without being fully transparent and accountable to the people
    Mia gone mad or what


  25. Has GPII’s innovation award winning product, one that would allow steel to be bent at a cheaper cost, been commercialised? How many people at the Combermere forum have started and still have businesses birthed at this meeting? Why did it take GPII a by-election, having contested the seat in 2018, to help youngsters in SGN?


  26. That’s all folks what arrogrance
    Wunna wait till Nov if yuh want to hear more
    Govt of barbados utterances on Harrison Caves

    Harrison’s Cave will be managed by nature adventure tour company Chukka Caribbean Adventures (Barbados) Ltd under a partnership that will take effect on December 1, 2020, announced Caves of Barbados Ltd (CBL) in a brief statement this evening.

    CBL confirmed that four bids were received and Chukka was chosen based on the high quality of its submission which offered a strong proposal for investment and development of the attraction.

    “The selection of a shortlisted bid was then followed by months of negotiations of a contract led by a Government-appointed college of negotiators,” CBL said.

    Minister of Tourism Senator Lisa Cummins confirmed that the country will receive a full update at a media conference planned for November which will include the principals from Chukka.

    As part of the process, CBL’s employees and their representatives have been fully apprised of the developments and have been working collaboratively with CBL on the necessary transition arrangements, the statement said.
    (BT/PR)

    Read our ePaper. Fast. Factual.


  27. Some bet in the horse and some bet on the hockey. But what do you bet on when the jockey likes to pick dead horses?

    How is my favorite BU female.


  28. Some bet on the horse and some bet on the jockey. But what do you bet on when the jockey likes to pick dead horses?

    How is my favorite BU female.


  29. Emergency Doctor, Simone Gold MD, found herself censored and even fired from the hospitals she practiced at for speaking out on the use of Hydroxychloroquine. Now, she’s one of the most visible faces of the fight against Big Tech Censorship. Take a look.

    41min Facebook video:
    https://www.facebook.com/HighWireTalk/posts/1245434932499163

  30. Michael Campbell Avatar
    Michael Campbell

    Mariposa, when Mottley sell Harrison’s Cave?

    I can’t understand, you saying Mottley sell Harrison’s Cave and then bring a story from Barbados Today that said “Harrison’s Cave will be MANAGED by nature adventure tour company Chukka Caribbean Adventures (Barbados) Ltd under a partnership that will take effect on December 1, 2020,”

    So which one it is? The Cave sold or a company going to invest and manage it?

    Or you think MANAGING the Cave MEAN the SAME THING as SELLING it?

    I just want to know, cause yuh got me confused.


  31. The people of SGN saying that the debate does not matter they have meet the candidates and already made up their minds
    So much for foolish thinking by Mia
    Maybe Peter Wickham should have done a poll in SGN on whether the people of SGN wanted a debate
    But then again this debate charade is wanting for the blp to make up for loss ground in SGN which the party belived would have been a cake walk for Toni Moore


  32. Michael Campbell
    Anything you want to know about Caves u should asked govt
    Like u i am confused
    Nobody knows any details on the deals or agreements
    Speculations abound


  33. Btw Does anyone knows why Mia is having Parliaments via Zoom from her house
    Is this a new trend for govt officials to take home pending matters having to do with the country business and use their home as an alternative to parliament
    I thought parliament and ministerial offices were put in place for govt meetings to avoid conflicts or suspicions of a nature that can be susceptible to mischievous
    actions
    If Mia is not handicapped by illness
    Then why is she using Zoom to have govt meetings rather than the ministerial offices provided for such purposes
    Inquiring minds wants to know

  34. Carson C Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C Cadogan

    Just as I said.

    THE TELEVISED DEBATES ARE A WASTE OF TIME, MONEY AND SPACE.


  35. @ Carson

    The debate was aimless, the so-called moderator was intimidated by Trump and overall, it was entertainment. Everything American is not progress. We equate economic power and military might with excellence in everything. This debate was evidence that it is not necessarily so.


  36. according to this article voters in SGN know who they will vote for and will watch the deabte but it wont change their minds. most of the voters in the article are from the Char Row Bridge environs which encompasses Airy Hill, the homestead of the Reifers

    https://barbadostoday.bb/2020/10/23/st-george-north-residents-say-debates-wont-impact-by-election-voting/

    quote] The upcoming political debates don’t appear to have much significance to the people of St George North.

    In fact, most of those in the constituency who spoke to Barbados TODAY indicated they had already made up their minds on which candidate they would vote for in the November 11 by-election.

    Four candidates – Toni Moore of the Barbados Labour Party (BLP), the People’s Party for Democracy and Development’s (PdP) David Walrond, Grenville Phillips II of Solutions Barbados, and the Barbados Free Party’s Alex Mitchell – have already confirmed their participation in the live televised debates scheduled to take place on October 29 and November 6 at the Lloyd Erskine Sandiford Centre.

    The Democratic Labour Party (DLP) candidate, Floyd Reifer and Ambrose Grosvenor of the United Progressive Party (UPP) have opted not to take part in the debates.

    When a team from Barbados TODAY visited some of the communities in the constituency, all those interviewed said they already knew who was getting their vote.

    A resident of Arthur’s Road, Parish Land, who gave his name as Mr Graham, said while he would listen to the debates they would not have an impact on his decision.

    “I listen to the radio and the candidates already come through here so the debate isn’t really an issue for me. I will still watch it on my TV but it’s not that big a deal for me one way or another,” he said.

    Elwin Browne, who lives just a stone’s throw away, also said his mind was already made up.

    “Debate? I know Reifer. He born bout hey and I beating home drums first. I does watch and listen to the radio and television but my mind made up,” he said.

    His friend Kelvin Clarke was of the same view.

    He said he would be voting for Reifer because of his closeness to the community.

    “I don’t need a debate to tell me who to vote for. It will be interesting to listen to, but Reifer won’t be on it but I will still be voting for him,” Clarke said.

    While not revealing his choice of candidate, a resident of Bridge Cot Terrace, who declined to give his name, told Barbados TODAY he saw no need for a debate in a by-election.

    The middle-aged man said such an event should only be staged for a general election involving all party leaders.

    “I’ve never seen a debate for two people running in an election. Let the head of the DLP, the head of the BLP, the head of Solutions and the heads of the rest, they should have the debate,” he said.

    “All of a sudden they call a debate. We have roads that need fixing so let them come and deal with that. No debate ain’t gine make no difference.”

    One lady who said she resided in Airy Hill but declined to give her name, also said she believed most constituents already knew who they would vote for.

    She said while she would have loved to see all the candidates participate in at least one of the debates, it would make little difference in who voters selected.

    “People already know who they are voting for. The candidates have been canvassing for a while so we already know what they are offering,” she said.

    “The majority of people vote for a particular party, so regardless of who that person puts forward they will still get the vote, so I don’t expect the debate to change much.”

    A resident of Lower Estate who said he did not want to give his name for fear of victimisation, also said he was decided.

    He said that after listening to all the candidates who had visited the area, he made his decision based on who he believed had the best offerings.
    (randybennett@barbadostoday.bb) [unquote

  37. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    HAL

    Quiet so. Some in Barbados foolishly think that because it was imported from AMERICA it has to be the best thing since slice bread.

    Where are our Barbadian ideas?????


  38. @Greene

    Then you have nothing to worry about based on the article (unscientific poll).

  39. William Skinner Avatar

    @ Hal
    So many are late to the party, I wonder where they grew up or only recently started taking an interest in the country they profess to love so much.
    We were warned about cultural penetration since the 60s. There was a time when even with spouge music we covered most American hits. You recently mentioned the Jamaicans. We abandoned spouge and folk music while Jamaicans took reggae to the world. Go into any supermarket or restaurant anywhere in the world and jerk this and that on the menus or some variation in the supermarkets. Most will be shocked that Haiti has exports.
    You are absolutely correct about our refusal to recognize that our tourist product is not unique. Our major resource has always been our people and our ability to make success of ourselves where ever we ended up. Back then people were happy to meet up with a fellow Bajan returning for a holiday. People would turn up with basic warm hospitality. A flask of rum, bottle of home made hot sauce. Once the we switched to America , Little England became Little Brooklyn . The American “ rugged individualism “. The language changed, the music changed and the crudeness set in. To reverse this needs strong creative leadership and we just don’t have it at this moment and we are afraid to admit.
    Rather than three meetings with the folks in SGN speaking on their own behalf to the candidates who want to represent them; we want two televised debates in a frigging bye-election. Welcome to Little Brooklyn.
    We big up!
    Peace


  40. Word spread across social media yesterday stating that PM was sick
    Soon after Mia via media denied the story
    Now question being asked on social media and wanting to know
    Why is Mia using Zoom from her home to conduct countries business when govt offices built for such purposes are available


  41. @David,

    small sample. that is why i mentioned the voters in the article are from Reifer’s neck of the woods but it is instructive what one voter said,

    “The majority of people vote for a particular party, so regardless of who that person puts forward they will still get the vote, so I don’t expect the debate to change much.”

    in that case and like most people have posited this is the BLP’s seat to lose.

    despite that, Reifer is putting up a stout fight. kudos to him and the DLP


  42. What seems to be causing the split among experts is the reputation debates have for spotlighting a candidate s mistakes — or the smooth-as-silk comeback lines — and the impact they have on voters. (


  43. @WS

    a nation lacking self belief appropriates the culture of others


  44. @Greene

    There are always blocs who have made their minds up in advance just like they are undivideds who can be convinced.


  45. @David,

    you actually believe there are undecided voters at this stage?


  46. Mariposa trust you to try to promote a rumour nothing more about Ms Mottley.It seems to me that you along with your cohorts are wishing the worst for our PM.Hpwever i know neither the cut and paste artist out of Canada or you would reveal this .Mr K Stuart has been suspended as General Secretary and President of the Young Democrats.Accoding to the BT story Mr Stuart was asked to resign which he refused to do and was hence suspended.At least it shows the political nightwatchman has more balls than the ex PM who rather than take action against the ex speaker allowed to continue as though nothing had happened.As for the debates it is clear the persons interviewed are Dems supporting Mr Reifer and would therefore would not want debates because it is clear Ms Moore wpuld wipe the floor with Mr Reifer who seems to have to read off prepared scripts whenever he speaks in my view.


  47. @Greene

    There are always undecideds. Then there are the cynical and apathetic citizens who have to be mobilized to vote.


  48. @ William
    Ousr greatest tourism market is not white English people, but those of Barbadian heritage, yong people of second, third and fourth generation who have heard of this little island and want to see what it is like.

    To use on of your observations, I do not live in Barbados and know nothing about our island home. Everything I know is second and third hand.
    The silly people who Google Trump and Brexit and speak like experts believe in all honesty that emails, telephones, holidays, Whatsapp, etc are not available to Barbadians outside Barbados.
    I have Panamanian-American cousins and every time we talk of meeting up I suggest we do so in Barbados. Nothing gives greater satisfaction than seeing them dancing at Leckie’s in Oistin’s.
    It is a market waiting to be exploited. Only a few weeks ago some UK born Bajans went to the island to get married and took along some friends, including fellow UK born Bajans. After two three generations they still see Barbados as ‘home’.
    But, for some reason, our tourism officials have not heard of this. They continue to live in a dream world. As to the television debate, it confirms everything I thought about our journalists.
    Instead of getting out in the constituency and doing the leg work, these want a television debate at LESC, complete with suits and ties.


  49. @ Mariposa

    Have you seen that photo op complete with laptop, sending the message I am fit and hard at work. I am superwoman, I do not get ill. Reports that I am human are misplaced. Tells you all you want to know.

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