Let the Debates Begin

Grenville Phillips, candidate for St. George North and Leader of Solutions Barbados

The Prime Minister advised that CBC should allow debates between all candidates contesting the St George North by-election.  Political parties do not have to participate in these debates.  However, we think that it would be unwise not to participate.

By participating, Candidates have the opportunity to both explain their plans to voters, and defend their plans from scrutiny from other candidates and the moderator.

At present, candidates are simply mentioning their plans to voters.  But neither our professional organisations or journalists are checking to see whether the plans are workable.  Neither are they questioning whether the candidates have any capacity to implement their plans.

The debates are an opportunity to expose the plans to scrutiny.  In preparation for the debates, let us review each party’s plans.  The parties can then improve the plans for the benefit of the constituents, and to better prepare for the debates.

REVIEW OF PARTY’S PLANS.

The BLP plans to bring prosperity to the people of St George North through fish farming.  The main questions are: Is this an idea whose feasibility now needs to be studied?  Is the implementation date this year, or 2023?  Who is funding this idea?  What experience does the candidate have to implement it?

The DLP plans to assist the youth in cricket, and to have a skills bank.  The main questions are:  What about the youth that do not want to play cricket?  The skills bank idea has been tried and failed, because people want to employ the best skills available in Barbados for their job.  So, what is different about this skills bank that improves its chances of success?  What experience does the candidate have to manage a skills bank?

The UPP plans to monetise the creative industries.  The example given was making money by uploading videos to YouTube on the Internet.  The main questions are:  What training is required to implement this idea?  What experience does the Candidate have in making money from YouTube videos?

The BFP plans to do construction activities.  The main question is: What capacity does the Candidate have in implementing this idea?

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The PdP plans to do farming.  Farming has been proposed by political parties in every election since our Independence.  Those who try it have to contend with monkeys and humans stealing their produce.  There is also the risk of excessive rain, drought, and limited water.  Farmers have to invest much for months before seeing a return.  So the main question is, how are these foreseen issues being addressed?

Solutions Barbados plans to employ persons in the construction of houses, and to train families to start businesses, with no start-up money.  I have 30 years of experience in the construction industry, and am the 2014 winner of the National Innovation Competition.  I already train people how to build strong and low-maintenance houses, and to start profitable businesses.  Therefore,
I welcome the scrutiny.

Let the debates begin.

Grenville Phillips II is a Chartered Structural Engineer, and the Solutions Barbados’ candidate for St George North.  He can be reached at NextParty246@gmail.com

277 comments

  • Lorenzo trust u to fly off the fence to defend
    The people has a right to know why Mia would take the countries business to her house
    Mia just cant take and conduct the country business from her house without a full reason of explanation
    Under a democracy the people right to know especially under unusual circumstances as demonstrated yesterday by Mia should be respected and not be violated or rubbish with a self serving response
    Folks the tea leaves are reading right
    There is a dictator at the helm

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  • Carson C. Cadogan

    ‘……… I am superwoman, I do not get ill. Reports that I am human are misplaced.”

    ha,ha,ha.

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  • Hal it is mindboggling to understand how Mia can conduct sensitive and probably classified information from her home and gives no rationale reason for doing so
    Then we have a media who doesnt have the guts to ask why
    Red flags should be all over the place

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  • Lorenzo Verla took correct action on Kemar
    Nothing more to say

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  • Mariposa, classified information from her home and gives no rationale reason for doing so, meaning WHERE? Her PERSONAL residence or ILLARO COURT, which is the prime minister OFFICIAL RESIDENCE?

    So that residence only for sleeping? Man, you does come here looking for all kind of shite just to find something to criticize.

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  • Mia is sick and she dont want anyone to know.

    She criticized sickness in the DLP and she thought that she is INCINCIBLE. Backed by WHITE PEOPLE she was on a rampage. But what goes around, comes around.

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  • Most unusual circumstance
    PM not sick but using Her home as an office to conduct country business
    The question of Why needs to be answered by her If not speculation would carry the weight of why which she so far has not answered
    Furthermore her home was not designated by law to be an alternative to Parliament
    Mia needs to come clean

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  • “Hal it is mindboggling to understand how Mia can conduct sensitive and probably classified information from her home and gives no rationale reason for doing so”

    This comment from the intelligent one annointed by the know-it-all. Government business across the world is being conducted virtually, but it is wrong to do it in Barbados. 🤣🤣🤣

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  • Abstain huh!!! now ya abstain, what about big mouth Comissiong.??/

    “Washington – Caribbean Community (CARICOM) countries were divided on the issue of “free and fair” elections in Venezuela, with The Bahamas, Haiti, Jamaica, and St Lucia all voting in favour of the resolution tabled at the 50th General assembly of the Organisation of American States (OAS) that ended here on Wednesday.

    Antigua and Barbuda, Dominica, and St Vincent and the Grenadines voted against the resolution, while Barbados, Belize, Guyana, Grenada, St Kitts-Nevis, Suriname, and Trinidad and Tobago abstained.”

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  • Caswell: Clarke in a pickle
    Former Member of Parliament Gline Clarke would be barred from representing Barbados as High Commissioner to Canada unless he renounces his dual citizenship.
    That was the latest bombshell that the People’s Party for Democracy and Development (PdP) dropped during campaigning Wednesday night at Superlative, in the countdown to the November 11 St George North by-election.
    Clarke, the former Barbados Labour Party (BLP) legislator, walked away from his seat in the House of Assembly in the middle of term after representing his constituents for 26 years and it was announced he was heading to Ottawa.
    But Senator Caswell Franklyn, who broke away from the Barbados Labour Party (BLP), said Prime Minister Mia Amor Mottley had the dual citizenship holder and the people of Barbados tied up.
    “She proposed to make him High Commissioner and didn’t tell the . . . man that he cannot be the High Commissioner to Canada because you cannot be a High Commissioner to your own country; Gline Clarke is a citizen of Canada,” Franklyn said to a handful of people at the meeting.
    He assured his audience, a stone’s throw from where a few BLP supporters were interacting with people, that a person could not be a high commissioner or ambassador to any country of which they were a citizen.
    “As a High Commissioner from Barbados, you are not subject to the laws of that country, but if you’re a citizen of that country, you’re subject to the laws . . . He can’t go unless he relinquishes his citizenship,” Franklyn said.
    Dual citizenship
    Clerk of Parliament Pedro Eastmond said yesterday that Barbadians with dual citizenship were not prohibited from running for public office and sitting in the legislature.
    “We won’t ask for that [information]. If that is the case, we would not have asked him. All we would [need to] satisfy is that he is Barbadian,” Eastmond said.
    Franklyn said the BLP was using a ploy to usher their candidate in the byelection, former Senator Toni Moore, who is general secretary of the Barbados Workers’ Union, into the House in order to weaken the trade union.
    He contended that as an experienced member of Cabinet from 1994 to 2008 and then from 2018, Mottley must have known that assigning Clarke to represent the interests of Barbados in Canada was incongruous with his status.
    “Poor Gline. I know he’s aware by now, but he’s hoping that something else unfolds for him,” Franklyn said.
    Efforts to reach Minister of Foreign Affairs Senator Jerome Walcott yesterday proved futile.
    However, an official from his ministry explained that it was Clarke’s responsibility to initiate the process to renounce his citizenship and not that of the Government.
    The Weekend Nation was unable to reach Clarke, being repeatedly told that he was out canvassing for Moore.
    (SNR)

    Source: Nation

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  • @ Enuff

    Perhaps it depends on how you define Intelligence.

    In keeping within the standards of transparency, freedom of information and good governance, Mottley should inform Barbadians if she is ill, because they have a right to know. After all, she is Prime Minister and not an ordinary private citizen.

    What’s really “mind boggling” is not the fact that, as you correctly mentioned, “Government business across the world is being conducted virtually,” but the suggestion Mottley should not conduct business from Illaro Court, because it is not being viewed as the state-owned, PM’s official residence…… but as her personal home.

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  • The blogmaster was under the impression Cabinet meetings have been conducted via ZOOM since March.

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  • @ David BU

    So, you mean since March, Cabinet ministers were guilty of exposing “classified information” in places other than Parliament?

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  • Caswell is again legally right. A citizen of one country cannot represent another as its official representative, except in an honorary position.
    On this Canadian law is like the British. Any Barbadian or other Caribbean citizen, with a dual British citizenship, could not be appointed to the Court of St James. They were forced to abandon one of the citizenships.
    The Barbadian foreign office should have known this as we had had that experience a few years ago. But it goes further than this. Sometime ago I said that no one with dual citizenship or a right of residence should be allowed to sit in parliament,. I stand by that.

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  • Carson C. Cadogan

    I thank you Caswell.

    I said that the workers had a lot of people taking for the workers , but no one is speaking for the workers.
    The blogmaster told me to stop talking a lot of foolishness.

    This is maneuvering to silence the trade Movement when the PM has to make unpleasant moves in the not to distance future in favour of the WHIE BAJAN control Private sector.

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  • Glyne Clarke can do like Conrad Black and many others do every year. However Barbados safer from Covid 19 than Ottawa and winter is starting soon.

    183 Canadians renounced their citizenship in 2011

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/conrad-black-returns-but-faces-citizenship-issues-1.1282428

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  • for a Govt made up of so many lawyers, at least 2 of them QCs, this govt makes a lot of legal procedural mistakes. that is quite instructive.

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  • David
    Governments’ business have continued during Covid via virtual meetings. The straw grasping wahloss. Clarke’s dual citizenship is a bombshell? Really? LMBAO!!

    Artax
    If she’s not well, yes she should say. But the reports were that she collapsed at Government HQ when it appears the Cabinet meets virtually. Up to Tuesday night she said at the public meeting she was not feeling well. Just note how it switched from collapsing to exposing government files working from home.

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  • U Artax u are a twisted mouth liar ( and i do not have to answer as to why i told u so)
    The gist of my question is why hasn’t Mia told barbadians the purpose of using her home to conduct govt business instead of use of the Parliament building
    I remember some months back when Parliament building had an environmental problem and govt officials had to be relocated there was no secret as to why
    Now all of a sudden those who dare question the why on this issue and as it relates to Mia home a stink is raised and those who dare ask why are called idiots

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @Greene, I dont get your remarks that .. “for a Govt made up of so many lawyers, at least 2 of them QCs, this govt makes a lot of legal procedural mistakes. that is quite instructive.”

    I am confused for this simple reason … how can any lawyer advise properly if the client is withholding pertinent info???

    It is absolutely ABSURD that MP Clarke would NOT know that he COULD not be an Ambassador from Bim to Canada if he held Canadian citizenship…. he would have to be perversely ignorant of law and also totally blind and deaf to the various cases which have been seen in the region over the years…

    One in Jam and one in Guyana spring to mine from the last 10 or maybe 15 years where dual citizenship caused MPs major problems…. the Giyana one was a big, big hullabaloo!

    I also recall – subject to correction on this one- where a Bajan Consul General in US had a problem with his diplomatic selection and his residency status (in NYC I believe it was). He could only take the post if he rescinded his status.

    Thus I put the blame on Clarke for his apparent folly … yes the BLP should have ‘dotted ‘i’s and crossed t’s’ but good gosh should Clarke not also know to say “oh by the way”… steeupse.

    Things like this make be VERY, very cynical about motives … I cant conceive that Clarke is either so stupid, ignorant of the law or expected this to slide as the Canadians would have caught this IMMEDIATELY his diplomatic papers were sent for review … so there must be other things up their sleeve.

    Mottley wanted her way and she got it … Clarke will be taken care of undoubtedly… blatant autocratic oneupmanship and spoils of personality governance.

    WTF is new. I gone do.

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  • @Dee Word

    We need to wait for clarification. How do we know Clarke is not prepared to renounce citizenship if indeed it is an issue?

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  • I can’t even keep up WTH…

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  • So if he renounces, what will happen when his tour is up, similarly, what will happen when the whole party is kicked out of parliament and he is recalled…oops, he renounced…

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  • He better stay where he is before he ends up stateless…lawd

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  • Clarke is not blind or dumb
    Clarke is one of Mia miniature men who is afraid to say No to Mia even if it makes him look like an idiot
    There is a picture making rounds across social media with Mia hands flung across Clarke shoulder and Clarke having a sheepish look

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  • @ Mariposa

    If a national leader is ill, then it is news. If s/he is working from her or his official residence, the nation is also told. Sometimes, a flat is flown to indicate occupancy.

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  • flag…..

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  • Anyone remember when Herbert called the former PM on personal phone while he was on his way home and told him if he don’t agree to the 23% increase there will be Social unrest in the country???

    I have not seen any Social unrest in the country, especially since Civil Servants received a 5% increase after a 3 minute meeting.

    That was a big increase for TONI MOORE.

    I feel for the workers if she get in. Crapaud smoke their pipe.

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  • Carson C. Cadogan

    How come the WHITE BAJAN and INDIAN control Barbados Labour Party have so many so called LAWYERS among its ranks , yet it makes so many LEGAL mistakes which have to be pointed out to them by a non Lawyer?????

    Are they really LAWYERS?????

    Starting from the top.

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  • After all the jokes, someone said “the only country in the world where leaders/lawyers pretend that conflict of interest is NOT ILLEGAL is in BARBADOS.”..only country where they ignore the repercussions…but criminalize everyone for everything..

    now the world is seeing exactly what Black Bajans have to live with, coming from “leaders”

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  • @Hal Austin October 22, 2020 11:57 AM “Once more you are right. We have no institution to protect our language, like the French.”

    Stupsee.

    Who wants to learn French? 110 million people who speak it as a second language.

    And who wants to learn English? The 1 billion and growing people who speak English as a second language.

    English including British English, Bajan English and all other Englishes is fortunately not a pure breed. English is a wonderfully accommodating mongrel. Which is why English will live, while French like Latin will die.

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  • @Mariposa October 22, 2020 8:20 AM “All knows that Canada is a hot spot for COVID and the elderly are at most high risk Which therefore must ask a moral question borne in logic and compassion Question to be asked Why would Mia send an elderly man namely Clarke in his seventies in a hot spot Covid environment to work Not to mention the frigid cold temperatures which he must endure.”

    So who is forcing Glyne to do anything?

    He is old. He can always tell auntie ‘no” and ga long home to draw his pension and help mind his grandchildren.

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  • Carson Cadogan
    The people of barbados have become hewers of Mottley utterances and drawers of koolaid
    That story that u mentioned of Herbert using threats against govt and people did not make much of a difference to the people
    Today evidence of his influence amongst govt elitist was shown when he was allowed to go free
    As often said there are two barbados

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  • In the year of WFH the BU intelligentsia are questioning the PM working from home. Y’all are a real setta clowns. Wuh I duz work from home.🤣🤣

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  • Now that is has been established (sic) that debates are the new gold standard for political discourse on this island.
    Two questions ( asking for a friend).
    1. Will there be a nationally televised debate for Same sex marriage?
    2. Will there be a nationally televised debate for Barbados becoming a republic?
    Asking for a friend.

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  • @Carson C. Cadogan October 23, 2020 10:05 AM “I am superwoman, I do not get ill. Reports that I am human are misplaced.”

    Well this can be true.

    In my case it was.

    Over 43 years in the paid work force and zero sick leave. I had a male colleague, the same. In his 90’s nw and still engaged in vigorous outdoor activities.

    Not all of us send in a “sick paper” for 2 or more weeks each year.

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  • https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/canadian-citizenship/become-canadian-citizen/eligibility.html
    To be eligible to become a Canadian citizen, you must:

    be a permanent resident
    have lived in Canada for 3 out of the last 5 years
    have filed your taxes, if you need to
    pass a citizenship test
    prove your language skills
    

    Has Mr. Clarke the long time MP lived in Canada for at least 3 years?

    If he lived in Canada for 3 years or more, would the time he spent serving as a representative of the Barbados government count as time spent in Canada?

    Maybe he is nt a Canadian citizen at all and this talk is only opposition rumor mongering?

    I don’t know.

    i am not an immigration expert.

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  • He served as Vice Counsel and Liaison Officer at the Barbados High Commission in Canada from 1983-1987. In 1984, he became a founding member and first President of the Barbados Overseas Community – Canada Inc,

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  • de pedantic Dribbler October 23, 2020 3:37 PM “Thus I put the blame on Clarke for his apparent folly.”

    What if he is not now, and has never been a Canadian citizen?

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  • @WURA-War-on-U October 23, 2020 3:52 PM “So if he renounces, what will happen when his tour is up, similarly, what will happen when the whole party is kicked out of parliament and he is recalled…oops, he renounced…”

    I am not he. But if I was a Bajan Canadian citizen and been offered the Ottawa High Commissioner pick, I would renounce and take the High Commissioner pick. Then if and when my party loses office and I am recalled I would return to Barbados and enjoy the beautiful sunshine and my nice, nice pension, and my grandchildren. And if I felt like applying for a Canadian Permanence Residence card again, live in Canada for 3 years again, and apply for my Canadian citizenship again.

    The man is 68 now, the BLP is likely to remain in office for another 13 years by which time he will be 81. 3 years in the future to become Canadian again, will make his age 84.

    I am not he, but if I was, at 84 I would be applying to be a citizen of heaven.

    I doubt that any 84 year old has ever applied to be a citizen of the great white north, where the winters are RH cold, and long, long as sh!te.

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  • Enuff
    The question asked is relevant based on her saying she was not incapacitated which therfore bares the accountability on her to say why she is working from her home and not from the Parliament
    Some of yuh do not see a trend or precedent setting that can bite the country in the arse
    Mia does not hold title to laws and regulations of barbados and dam right she owes a right to tell barbadians all changes she makes while in office as leader

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  • The prime minister does not work from parliament.

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  • “I doubt that any 84 year old has ever applied to be a citizen of the great white north, where the winters are RH cold, and long, long as sh!te..”

    lol….

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  • I guess her home is now considered an official govt office. Right..
    Yet she has every right to use Parliament as an office .
    Yes i do know that the Ministerial building on bay street is her home office
    Be that as it may the question of yesterday still lingers across social media as to reason why she worked from home stating that she was not ill
    Since u David jump in the debate
    Can u tell all what was the reason
    My objective is to relay a message that her way of doing things her way can set precedent for other PM to follow which can become dangerous and a disadvantage to people and country
    Mottley as a lawyer should know how certain irregularities placed under the guise of certain interest can become a hindrance in the long run
    Therefore i suggest that she sticks to those laws rules and guidelines that are protective of country and people and avoid barreling down a road that might place barbados into a cul de sac
    That is my opinion and i stick by every word
    Oh btw tommorow is bread fruit coucou and souse day
    Oops i took the wrong turn
    But i love breadfruit doah

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  • Your hignorance knoweth no bounds.

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  • @ Cuhdear Bajan who wrote ” the winters are RH cold, and long, long as sh!te.”

    No need to exaggerate.

    Most of us CanBajans do not live in Inuit Nunangat.

    We live in heated houses and drive cars with heaters. My car has heated seats.

    I would prefer to live in Barbados but Canada is not bad either…. unless you are broke and homeless.

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  • @Mariposa October 23, 2020 8:08 PM “I guess her home is now considered an official govt office. Right..
    Yet she has every right to use Parliament as an office .Yes i do know that the Ministerial building on bay street is her home office.”

    Don’t American Presidents work from the White House which is both their home and office?

    Doesn’t Queen Elizabeth work from Buckingham Palace which is both her home and her office?

    Illaro Court is the home of whoever is Barbados’ Prime Minister. When the people evict an occupant as they did in May 2018, then Illaro Court becomes the home of the new PM. And yes any PM can work from Ilaro Court and I hope that they all do. I would hate to think that any PM knocks off the job at 4:30 like any ordinary Joe. PM’s and MP’s also work from the Parliament Buildings, and in addition the PM and Cabinet have offices on Bay Street. I trust that all of our representatives whether elected or appointed work hard and long and well, at all of their various offices which ALL BELONG TO THE PEOPLE OF BARBADOS.

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  • Take it easy Hants, just puling the legs of the Canadian brethren.

    This morning’s fog was not to bad eh!?

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  • Mariposa, you’re an idiot, and so too whoever labeled you as intelligent.

    Illaro Court is NOT Mia Mottley’s personal home. It belongs to the state and is the official residence of the individual who holds the office of prime minister.

    Also, you are displaying your ignorance by ‘saying’ the PM MUST work from Parliament or government headquarters.

    Parliament, government headquarters and Illaro Court BELONG to the state, so any PM can choose to work from wherever pleases him/her.

    If the PM was working from her PERSONAL RESIDENCE, I could understand your concern.

    I guess your George Street advisors don’t have anything better to do than let you make a spectacle of yourself by allowing you to flog another dead horse.

    Friday at George Street is also the day for souse, chicken, chicken, pork, could could and Astor’s extra strong, special brew of yard fowl rum punch. Whoever took over from Astor since his passing seems to be serving an even stronger brew. I suggest you should drink coffee.

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  • PdP withdraws from debates
    Count the People’s Party for Democracy and Development out of the televised debates scheduled for October 29 and November 6.
    Yesterday, campaign manager, Senator Caswell Franklyn officially informed the Barbados Association of Journalists and Media Workers (BARJAM) that its candidate David Walrond would not be taking part.
    In a letter headed: Withdrawal From Proposed By-Election Debate, Franklyn noted: “I write to inform you that having reassessed the pros and cons of participating in the planned debate, the People’s Party for Democracy and Development (PdP) wishes to inform you of our decision to withdraw our participation.
    “In light of the shortage of time available for campaigning, we prefer therefore to deploy our efforts more efficiently by focusing on building out our campaign across the constituency of St George North, in support of our candidate, David Walrond.
    “Further to this, it does not appear to us that there is any firm endorsement for this debate from across the St George North constituency. We have, therefore, decided that our time and energy would be better spent in directly engaging with the constituents on the campaign trail.”
    Earlier this week, both the Democratic Labour Party and the United Progressive Party also revealed they would not be participating in the debate.
    Those taking part include the Barbados Labour Party candidate Toni Moore; Solutions Barbados candidate, Grenville Phillips II; and Alex Mitchell, of the Bajan Free Party.
    Moderators are David Ellis and Julius Gittens.

    Source: Nation News

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  • Great decision, Caswell. What is to be seen now is if under the Representation of the People Act the so-called debate can go ahead with three important candidates not taking part.
    Surely the three parties can come together and take out an injunction against the media workers association and CBC. With top lawyers in all three teams the ball should now shift to the high court.

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  • Glad to.know that i am an idiot
    U ought to use that word carefully
    My comment speaks to properties or businesses specifically designated to be used for govt purposes
    Never new that Mottley home fall into such category
    Again i am making emphasis as to why Mia used her home to work if she was not incapacitated
    She ought to explain

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  • There was a story on social media platforms saying Mia was ill
    Mia refuted / deny the story that she was not ill
    The question of why she was working from her home if she was not ill has been asked
    Rather than leave the question open for Mia to answer
    The blp foot soldiers having no defense launch an attack base on verbal abuse
    However the long and short of the question needs to be answered as to Why Mia used her residence instead of a govt office to conduct country and peoples business if she is not ill
    Btw yardfowls get back on the fence cause wunna too drunk with political stupidity to understand why the question is being asked and as for offering a defense well don’t even bother

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  • But the comments though lol..

    they won’t stop sucking on Black people, stealing from Black people, selling out Black people, they all look SICK as though they’re walking around with one foot in their graves…

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  • “Those taking part include the Barbados Labour Party candidate Toni Moore; Solutions Barbados candidate, Grenville Phillips II; and Alex Mitchell, of the Bajan Free Party.”

    well hello, now we will hear about exactly how much land they ALL STOLE from old black men and women….and generations of young people and the unborn..

    😂🤣😂🤣😂 especially about how much they tief and give to lying, tiefing cow who made big video LYING TO PEOPLE IN UK about how much land he owns in Barbados, he however left out the part where the repulsive house slaves in the bar association and parliament HELPED him and the other wannabe slave masters TIEF IT ALL…lol

    am sure the people in UK will be happy to hear how many lies he told in that fake video, so mow him and the minority scum will never get the opportunity to pretend they are investors and rob the people in europe/uk ever again….BLACKLISTED FOR LIFE them and their house negros.

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  • After reading what you’ve written so far on flogging this dead horse issue, I believe I not only used that word carefully, but appropriately as well.

    Another dead horse issue. Mottley did not send Gline Clarke to Canada. She made him an offer, which, after taking all those things Angela Cox mentioned into consideration, he had a choice of either refusing or accepting.

    By the way, Mariposa, nice Facebook profile photo.

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  • Hosting a debate during a by-election was a silly idea and even after the UPP, PdP and DLP declined to participate, the organisers still don’t realise their folly.

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  • Every issue that holds this govt up to ridicule… in the blp yardfowl mind would be come a dead issue because it throws embarrassment in govt face
    The recurring mistakes made by govt on implementing policies are priceless and further shines light on a govt that shoot first and look for answers after
    Had not for other social media platforms bajans would be idiots sitting in the dark believing every word utters from govt mouth but thankfully their are other platforms to follow which open eyes and ears and voices of people

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  • The word “idiot” has been the word of choice especially by those who believes their intelligence place them in a supreme place of authority
    Hope the blp yardfowls have learned a lesson
    A lesson learnt from Braddie idiotic comment
    A lesson of self righteous indignation which can become a bridge too far to cross

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  • @ Mariposa

    There is something frightfully unsettling when someone chooses to stalk you on social media. Stalking is a criminal offence in most jurisdictions and when someone chooses to nit-pick everything you say it is not only unhealthy, but worrying, or as the American say, worrisome.
    You continue to put forward your political views and support for the DLP, whether right or wrong, without any personal attacks on individuals. But, almost without hesitation, your detractors come on to make personal attacks. That must tell you something.
    Be careful. It suggests to my untrained mind that the person(s) either knows you, and is carrying a grudge, or is in need of urgent psychiatric help.

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  • Hal this ignorance has been ongoing
    Many here including the blog master have tried to indicate Knowning of my identity which which gives cause and concern as to why
    They say i am of low intelligence then nothing i say should lend itself of importance to them

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  • @ Artax
    The obvious boycott of the proposed debate, is a slap in the face for Mottley. Those of us who understand our people , know that they are patient and kind but abhor high “high-handedness”. Note how we gave Stuart a chance and then massacred him; note how a previous generation voted out Sir. Grantley; Barrow and then Arthur.
    There are some pure political partisans , who seem to believe that Mia would be or should be allowed to do as she likes. I said on BU eight months ago that such clowns do her a great disservice. Mia literally expected that whole bogus debate thing, was a slam dunk; she has been shared a piece of humble pie. She would now learn that she has 30 or 29 seats but not 280, 000!
    As for Mariposa (DLP) we must be fair. If we can put up with the others(BLP) to suggest that she is behaving any different from her opposite numbers, is really unfair. They are six and half dozen, however we look at. They were given a free pass and it must be extended to her.
    Peace

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  • @ Mariposa

    I read everything, even postage stamps, and have been following your critics. I am not you and some of the comments attacking you worry me. But they can get away with that in Barbados. In the UK police would have been knocking on their doors.
    You are right about the chairman. It is his duty to hold the line, keep order on the blog, but in many ways he leads the charge and when people hit back some predators crawl out of the wood work telling him to ban people. They make no other contributions on BU.
    Remember, he banned you, and subsequently me, for posting on the wrong stream. Yet foulmouthed people who threaten violence, people who deny and fabricate stories, and anonymous people who us other anonymities to attack the same individuals (one guy has used up to seven) get away with such silliness under the mistaken belief that they cannot be identified.
    Funnily, the Barbados police have a cyber crime unit. They must be sleeping. Don’t let them get to you. The more they attack you personally the more they say about themselves.

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  • Unles Grenville and Mitchell pullout one suspects Barjam will proceed.

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  • Was just having this spanish conversation with someone and this word ….bajan…came up, it’s really un palabra espanol, so as i was unfamiliar with it in the spanish context i checked it out, everyone should check it out themselves…

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  • It’s pronounced ..bahhan..

    you will be shocked at the meaning of every day english words that we think are so precious and the dumbest among us are so proud to pronounce and write with pretty flourish…..but when you translate them in other languages….ha….

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  • @ David
    You really think that there can be a serious debate when the official opposition pulls out. This is nothing more than a political stunt by Mottley that has back fired.
    You and others tried to position this nonsense as essential and shamelessly expected Reifer and others to be held to a higher standard than anybody else who ever contested a bye-election. It was intellectual snobbery masquerading as an improvement. You and others are still at the stage of who can connect subject and verb. It was hilarious that some on BU who can’t string two sentences together became instant experts in who reads speeches and who are prime debaters.
    I was told that Tom Adams never made a speech that he did not at least write first. Our Prime Minister said that Arthur always told her to : “ write it down Mottley”. She is known to make speeches without paper and she often waffles and loses the audience.
    I doubt any of you have ever heard : Neville Boxhill, L.B. Brathwaite speak in the HOA. You will then understand that one does not need a degree from any university to speak intelligently.
    But then again on BU the established brainiacs have dismissed kitchen gardens by some strange argument position on “ globalization”.
    BTW Education was never a synonym of common sense. So don’t plant anything like @Donna does, go into the market and buy “global agricultural products“. I prefer a minister that can’t speak or debate delivering water to the folks in St. Joseph and St. Andrew than one who has mastered subject and verb talk pretty and after twenty or so years in parliament we can’t point to one so and so he or she has done!
    I am not defending Reifer or Moore , Grosvenor or Phillips or anybody else but we need to keep it real and honest. I guess when I was raising pigs and sheep while still at high school, I should have been reading about the global meat industry and its effects on high school boys who raised animals.
    Gimme a frigging break!
    Peace

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  • You need two parties to debate.

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  • The debate was an ill-conceived idea.

    Items of national interest are debated daily and nationwide. In our own-way, we also debate national matters on BU daily.

    St George North will not benefit. In fact, the reverse will happen, matters of direct importance to St George North will become secondary to the discussion. The performance of Mia in the past two years will dominate the conversation. These debates are bad for St George North,

    We do not need these two staged debates to ventilate national matters. And what will Miss Moore bring that we do not already know: the cheap recital of the punch-lines that we see trumpeted by Lorenzo et al daily; no new material, but a seeding of the political yard with scratch grain. The ardent believers already believe and the few believers who are faltering will be seduced and brought back to the fold with what seem like a victory.

    Does it matter that one candidate has been rehearsing her lines much longer than the others? Do you recall how her resignation became news well after did she resigned? Do you really think her candidacy started when it was announced, that her debate practice started after the “debates’ were announced? Only a blind fool would walk directly into this trap and participate.

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  • @William

    Look at the positive side. If the debates come off Grenville gets prime time opportunity to share his plan.

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  • Debates are good for underdogs as it gives them a platform.

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  • These debates would be a disaster for GPII.

    I have read the many submissions by GPII and I have often commented that he should be silent when he was ushering praises or compliments to Mia and company. His many compliments would be thrown in his face. He would end up debating himself and eating his words. At best, a loss for one of the GPIIs, Welcome to GP II (yesterday) versus GP II (today)

    Nothing more than a distraction. If he had any sense or wanted to show his independence of Mia he would withdraw.

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  • “I prefer a minister that can’t speak or debate delivering water to the folks in St. Joseph and St. Andrew than one who has mastered subject and verb talk pretty and after twenty or so years in parliament we can’t point to one so and so he or she has done!”

    that’s the point they keep on missing, which can apply to most if not all of them, am not giving anyone credit for doing THE BARE MINIMUM for over 50 years for their Black population, and then taking credit ….. i don’t care about ya highfaltun THIEFING law degree and Dr. This and pretend that…yall are merely vote beggars ….when i see you…who have never even been trained to lead, and are always looking to generate negative attention to yaselves, without PRODUCING any positive results for the people..

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  • Is Junior campaigning? If so, who speaks on his platforms?

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  • The theatre should be real good though..a do not miss…….😂🤣😂🤣

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  • @Hal

    “Liat cuts staff, Deters Debts” was headline

    and in the body of another was words to the effect ‘playing the sport of Kings men indulge in a game of cricket in the road in Bush’

    those are two of the things in today’s Nation that drew my attention. no doubt there are more. it is not only the NatIon but all over the world journalistic standard are falling.

    also Hal, i read that David Waldron of the PhP went to Cawmere. that brings the total of Cawmerians running in this by election to 4- Grovsenor, Moore, Phillips and Waldron.

    i know Phillips and believe i know Waldron now that i have seen his face. put them all together and they int worth what David Thompson shot at, my wife just whispered to me lol

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  • @WS

    I love how you does sneak in those jabs and pach together those knock out punches aimed at your most ardent fans. well done. Did you learn that in the debating club at HC?

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  • @ Greene

    Historically, before the UWI, Combermere educated the civil service. One of the subjects taught was short hand and typing. We were the clerical class and hockey players.
    The bright boys went on to sixth form at Harrison College; the Major changed all that and established a sixth form – a lower sixth and an upper sixth.
    I am not surprised that the ambition is now to rule the country, even if as foot soldiers.

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  • @ Greene
    Sorry to disappoint . Back then I failed part 2 and was accepted by Louis Lynch (Modern High) Ended my High school days under Kenneth Gall and my mentor Sir. Roy Trotman.(St.Anthonys)
    Was offered a scholarship to Commuhmere but refused after I was told that one Hal Austin was there……… only kidding😀
    Amazingly I finished College before even going to high school- I went to Bay Primary College.

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  • There is a video circulating on FB of a quarantine facility on the island, so now we have to ask if only certain people are being quarantine in hotels belonging to minority crooks who got it at knock off price and other people are being housed in less than safe ideal conditions….i can’t tell where the facility is, not familiar….maybe if someone recognizes the place they can say where..

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  • “under Kenneth Gall”

    now that’s a name from the past, had relatives who attended his private school.

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  • Here is a debate topic
    https://barbadostoday.bb/2020/10/24/lord-nelson-statue-to-be-relocated-in-less-than-a-month/
    This was scheduled for discussion next year.. who moved it up?

    Murdah
    Youh gine kill muh
    Mih belly
    I gine dead

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  • @ Mariposa

    There is something frightfully unsettling when someone chooses to stalk you on social media. Stalking is a criminal offence in most jurisdictions and when someone chooses to nit-pick everything you say it is not only unhealthy, but worrying, or as the American say, worrisome.
    You continue to put forward your political views and support for the DLP, whether right or wrong, without any personal attacks on individuals. But, almost without hesitation, your detractors come on to make personal attacks. That must tell you something.
    Be careful. It suggests to my untrained mind that the person(s) either knows you, and is carrying a grudge, or is in need of urgent psychiatric help.

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    AGREE 100%.

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  • What was GPII position on the statue. i forgot,
    Does the move agrees with his statements or is it different from his stance…
    Are they easing off of center-stage.

    If GP II wants to be a serious contender, he must stop venturing into topics that he has not mastered. He needs to select a target group and go after them. Droppings will not help him.

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  • @ WURA
    Lovingly referred to as “De K” by his past students. Took a little bungalow on Country Road and transformed it into an institution that produced critical thinkers.
    In keeping with the words of Frederick Douglas “ The purpose of education is not to make men carpenters but to make carpenters of men”
    Peace.

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  • “This was scheduled for discussion next year.. who moved it up?”

    demasiado tarde, no one is interested in their trifling colonial petty political games, except las alves con los hoyos en sus cabezas…

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  • “Took a little bungalow on Country Road and transformed it into an institution that produced critical thinkers.”

    wow…i only met him a couple generations later when he was on Collymore Rock…across from Convent….quite a guy, a genuine educator..

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  • @ William

    I admired the Modern – Patsy Callender, Orlando Mason, et al. My younger sister was a Modernite and a good sprinter. I really had no objections to you going to the Modern, it was to Bay Primary that I could not stand. Now look at you. Not even good enough to live in Barbados.
    Seriously has Louis Lynch been recognised in Barbados, apart from naming a school after him? There is not even a plaque on the wall of the insurance company that now occupies the spot.

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  • @ Mr. Skinner

    I don’t know Mariposa and neither do I hold any grudge or animosity towards her. And, I agree that, similar to BLP, UPP or PdP supporters, she has a right to express her views. Additionally, I’m not offended when she refers to me as a ‘BLP yardfowl or yardie.’ I just like to tease her sometimes and she has never indicated she felt threatened or disturbed by it.

    So, it surprising when other people come in, uninvited, to make a mountain out of a mole hill. Why should take it upon themselves to be bothered, if she is not?

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  • @ David BU

    Did you appoint anyone to be Barbados Underground’s official lawyer, spokesperson or law enforcement officer? Or has someone, unbeknownst to you, appointed themselves as ‘blog prefect?’

    We have a situation here, where someone is accusing INDIVIDUAL A of “choosing to nit-pick everything INDIVIDUAL B says,” yet, “almost without hesitation, that detractor comes on regularly, not only to make personal attacks and nit-pick everything INDIVIDUAL A says,” but to make snide remarks as well…………. which, I believe if we’re going to use the same ‘measuring stick,’ is EQUALLY ”unhealthy.”

    Isn’t that “something frightfully unsettling” also to INDIVIDUAL A? Can’t we similarly opine “the more he/she attacks INDIVIDUAL A personally, the more that says about themselves?
    What is ”worrying” is the fact that uninvited person, presumptuously forced him/herself into ‘conversations’ that aren’t of any concern to them……. or as Bajans say, they’re malicious.

    ‘Carrying a grudge’ is defined as harbouring persistent and continual resentment or ill feelings toward someone, especially for some real or FANCIED wrongdoing they have committed in the past.
    If we’re continuing to use the same ‘measuring stick,’ then, for anyone to come on BU with monotonous regularity, to rehash ‘irrelevant conversations’ from the PAST and remind of us of who called him/her a financial advisor, Roman Catholic, polymath or whatever……… or who said he/she was ‘name-dropping British intellectuals,’ when it’s clearly obvious those people have MOVED ON long ago……….. aren’t those actions INDICATIVE of someone who’s “carrying a grudge” AND “in need of urgent psychiatric help” as well?

    I’m also reminded of someone who wants to ‘command’ the blogmaster how to operate BU, control the forum’s narrative’ into to discussing only the topics he/she wants to discuss and condemning contributors for spelling words similarly to Americans or Australians and using Bajan dialect, rather than the ‘Queen’s English.’

    If ‘bloggers’ disagree with or challenge his/her opinions, he/she takes pleasure in referring to them………HUMAN BEINGS, similar to him/herself, (unless he/she believes he/she is a ‘demigod’) ……….. as savages. wild beasts and animals.

    One BU regular who constantly nit-pick about ‘bloggers’ using pseudonyms or abusive language……. is now worrying him/herself unnecessarily, about ‘one guy’s alleged use of up to seven anonymities.’ Yet, in their perceived brilliance, they are gracious to and defend those ‘anonymous bloggers’ who sing in the ‘HOW GREAT THOU ART’ choir, while deliberately IGNORING their use of abusive language.

    @ David BU, “I’m not you and some of the comments attacking you worry me,” and I’m sure other ‘bloggers’ as well.
    I’m equally amazed and appalled at the level of hypocrisy displayed in this forum. It worries someone about some of the comments attacking a particular ‘blogger,’ who DOES NOT COMPLAIN, but defends themselves admirably. Yet, that same worried individual is ‘oppressively and incessantly constant’ in his/her personal attacks against YOU………..your character, judgement, intellect, has even ventured as low as to call you ‘semi-literate,’…… and nit-pick EVERYTHING you POST. Surely “that must tell you something” and serve as another indication of someone who’s in urgent need of psychiatric help.

    What’s amusing and coincidental at the same time is, it appears as though he/she is getting away with it in their jurisdiction, the police seem reluctant to knock on their doors or “they must be sleeping.” Or, the police probably view pursuing silly, harmless banter on an informal blog, between ‘bloggers’ who DON’T KNOW EACH OTHER, as waste of valuable time and resources.

    What should be even more “worrisome,” however, is the fact that, despite the glowing accolades and awards bestowed upon some renowned people,………. and the respect they mentioned as having gained over the years from their peers…….. it’s SAD to see they’ve reduced themselves in their retirement years, to ‘picking fights’ and trading insults with people in a forum they obviously DO NOT KNOW, respect and regard as ‘appallingly ignorant.’

    ‘Pray tell,’ why would I allow myself to be annoyed by people on a blog, with whom I do not share ANY personal, professional or casual acquaintance, when I could BETTER UTILISE my TIME, watching one of the several TV channels available, choosing to read one of the many newspapers, magazines or books at my disposal, or enjoying my own company in one of the several local restaurants?

    I believe some people take themselves too seriously.

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  • Matthew 7:16-20 King James Version

    “16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?”

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  • Social media Zooms letting their voices be heard

    There is a by election in St George north and after getting outfoxed by the night watchman twice the BLP have gone back into general election mode it have called all 30 branches to send 10 people each in red shirts to blanket St George north from now until the election

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  • @Mariposa
    They stepped up their ground game. A few here has been stating that the debates were cheap political tricks that would only benefit the BLP.

    With candidates choosing not to debate, the BLP has decided to flood the communities with it Lorenzo types.

    Looking at the margin of the 2018 victory in this constituency, a loss now would be unexpected. This is in the must win column for the BLP.

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  • Gazzerts thanks for your views
    I was beginning to think that your role on BU was to present cheap laughs
    Be that as it may your comment elevate you to another level moving you out of the level of idiocy
    Opps idiocy is a word i learnt from the blp hope u don’t find it to be an insult because everything the blp yardfowls utter must be taken with a grain of salt
    However i do agree with your comment which i understand to be saying that the blp is running scared in SGN
    Btw maybe Lorenzo can provide details of how much it is costing the party to run such a lavish campaign in SGN at a time the people are sucking salt

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  • @ Artax
    I simply made a statement that Mariposa is no different from the others who come here just like she does defending the indefensible when it comes to their parties. If I was out of my lane , apologies to you are in order since I know that you would not intentionally stoke fires of confusion.
    Peace.
    @ David
    I don’t know why others feel they have to protect you because you were just as partisan as anybody else prior to the change of government. In all fairness you have been quite balanced recently and I credit @Pacha with that. Of course @Pacha seems more taken up with some love affair I apparently have with @Hal. Recently he said that @Hal and I share a backside. Now, that was funny because @Pacha and I share similar philosophies and ideologies although he may choose to deny it. Outside of the very small minority of Kool aid drinkers, BU does bring me a heavy dose of intellectual stimulation.
    The only problem I have with @Pacha is that rather than congratulate
    Sister Donna for growing her own vegetables; he really believes she should consider if it’s really worth it when looked at from a “ globalization” perspective. But that’s @ Pacha. Just imagine if he were sharing a backside with @Hal. Oh what a ride that will be!!!
    Peace.

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  • @William

    The blogmaster has not desire to be balanced. He will post post HIS opinion when he is minded and who dont like it can lump it.

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  • @ Mr. Skinner

    No, sir….. you were not “out of your lane.” I understood your comments clearly and agree with you wholeheartedly.

    However, the ‘second paragraph’ of my contribution was not meant for you.

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