Let the Debates Begin

Grenville Phillips, candidate for St. George North and Leader of Solutions Barbados

The Prime Minister advised that CBC should allow debates between all candidates contesting the St George North by-election.  Political parties do not have to participate in these debates.  However, we think that it would be unwise not to participate.

By participating, Candidates have the opportunity to both explain their plans to voters, and defend their plans from scrutiny from other candidates and the moderator.

At present, candidates are simply mentioning their plans to voters.  But neither our professional organisations or journalists are checking to see whether the plans are workable.  Neither are they questioning whether the candidates have any capacity to implement their plans.

The debates are an opportunity to expose the plans to scrutiny.  In preparation for the debates, let us review each party’s plans.  The parties can then improve the plans for the benefit of the constituents, and to better prepare for the debates.

REVIEW OF PARTY’S PLANS.

The BLP plans to bring prosperity to the people of St George North through fish farming.  The main questions are: Is this an idea whose feasibility now needs to be studied?  Is the implementation date this year, or 2023?  Who is funding this idea?  What experience does the candidate have to implement it?

The DLP plans to assist the youth in cricket, and to have a skills bank.  The main questions are:  What about the youth that do not want to play cricket?  The skills bank idea has been tried and failed, because people want to employ the best skills available in Barbados for their job.  So, what is different about this skills bank that improves its chances of success?  What experience does the candidate have to manage a skills bank?

The UPP plans to monetise the creative industries.  The example given was making money by uploading videos to YouTube on the Internet.  The main questions are:  What training is required to implement this idea?  What experience does the Candidate have in making money from YouTube videos?

The BFP plans to do construction activities.  The main question is: What capacity does the Candidate have in implementing this idea?

Audio Link of Article

The PdP plans to do farming.  Farming has been proposed by political parties in every election since our Independence.  Those who try it have to contend with monkeys and humans stealing their produce.  There is also the risk of excessive rain, drought, and limited water.  Farmers have to invest much for months before seeing a return.  So the main question is, how are these foreseen issues being addressed?

Solutions Barbados plans to employ persons in the construction of houses, and to train families to start businesses, with no start-up money.  I have 30 years of experience in the construction industry, and am the 2014 winner of the National Innovation Competition.  I already train people how to build strong and low-maintenance houses, and to start profitable businesses.  Therefore,
I welcome the scrutiny.

Let the debates begin.

Grenville Phillips II is a Chartered Structural Engineer, and the Solutions Barbados’ candidate for St George North.  He can be reached at NextParty246@gmail.com

277 comments

  • UPP pulls out of election debates
    THE UNITED PROGRESSIVE PARTY (UPP) is out too – no televised debates for it.
    General secretary Wayne Griffith officially informed the Barbados Association of Journalists and Media Workers (BARJAM) yesterday of their intention not to participate in the proposed televised debates for the November 11 by-election in the St George North constituency.
    On Tuesday, the Democratic Labour Party and its candidate Floyd Reifer said they would not be part of the two debates, scheduled for October 29 and November 6, because they had not had enough time on the campaign trail.
    Griffith said the UPP and candidate Ambrose Grosvenor would be prioritising campaign work directly in the constituency as well.
    “The party is more focused on the by-election campaign, considering the time frame was so short. We think our resources would be well spent at this time in the field with our candidate to ensure a better chance of winning the seat,” he added.
    He said Grosvenor remained “extremely confident” of his chances.
    “We’ve had a fantastic response so far. We were out last weekend and the response from constituents was very good. They are very keen on considering the idea of supporting a new political party. They are understanding the dynamics of Barbadian politics require that is the direction they should be going at this time.”
    The debates will see Barbados Labour Party candidate Toni Moore, Solutions Barbados candidate Grenville Phillips II, and Alex Mitchell of the
    Bajan Free Party face moderators David Ellis and Julius Gittens, respectively. (BA)

    Source: Nation

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  • Here is an interesting article about the different strategies political parties are using around the world because of covid.

    Adapting to the New Normal

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  • Listened to former Senator Irene Sandiford-Garner yesterday defending the decision of the DLP to withdraw from the debate. She said something that may have been missed by many. The main point she made is that it was a by election and therefore a TV debate “is a waste of time’. She also said that they should have been a TV debate to support campaign strategy in the last general election. Was this a gaffe?

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  • This copy cat mentality serves well the carnival barkers willing to keep nuff noise but do nothing.

    It represents the ultimate sleight of hand.

    When will piliticians, like the writer, stop seeing most Bajans as peripheral to capital formation structures?

    How many times had this public debate fiction has been erected?

    How do we remove a goverment or a representative when they fail to perform in a timely manner?

    How much long shall we accept lies and excuses from elites?

    The writer asked some questions to misdirect. We’ve asked others more prescient.

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  • This is self-serving nonsense. This is a by-election and any debates should take place in the constituency, in a local church hall or school.
    A TV debate, moderated by a ‘journalist’, is totally irrelevant to the impact of a failed government on the lives of residents of St George North. Sit in front of the voters and answer their questions.
    If candidates want to represent those people, then talk to them ask them what are their concerns, how can they best represent their interests in parliament.
    No doubt, some candidates want national exposure, some journalist want to feel a sense of importance and being at the centre of events, and, indeed, CBC can do with the viewers. Sanka Price has got more important things to do in the Pine.
    But, apart from entertainment (remember the fly on Pence’s head?) it serves no real purpose.

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  • @David,

    quote]Listened to former Senator Irene Sandiford-Garner yesterday defending the decision of the DLP to withdraw from the debate. She said something that may have been missed by many. The main point she made is that it was a by election and therefore a TV debate “is a waste of time’. She also said that they should have been a TV debate to support campaign strategy in the last general election. Was this a gaffe?[unquote

    was what a gaffe ?

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  • @Greene

    She threw shade at Fruendel.

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  • i dont see that as a gaffe or whatever. if there is to be televised debates they should be reserved for the general elections and between party leaders and or their designates. additionally i would go so far to say there can be one between prospective Finance Ministers. televised deabtes for a by election is a waste of time, IMO.

    what she has said has been said on this blog numerous times.

    a debate between MAM and Freundel would have been great theatre. i am surprised that the BLP didnt call for it. or did they? too bad it did not happen.

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  • @Greene

    Listen to the podcast and you will get it.

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  • Allow the blogmaster to be clear. Any candidate should welcome the opportunity to beam into the homes of the constituents especially given the short preparation traditional canvassing and prevailing COVID 19. It is simply using an electronic channel to get your views out there in the constituency.

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  • i dont disagree. this can be accomplished by using social media to broadcast their views and or field questions from audience in attendance or from viewers. a debate is not the only answer and because of the adversarial atmosphere debaters hardly answer the questions asked.

    please post the Irene’s podcast, if you are so willing

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  • David

    We tend to agree. However, people like Moore who are always on TV would have an inordinately high advantage over neophytes in the scenarios described.

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  • @Pacha

    True and the DLP made the decision to avoid the debate because of what they perceive to be the disadvantage all observers have identified. Time will tell how it impacts.

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  • @David

    what exactly does ‘throw shade’ mean?

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  • This is bare nonsense. It is a waste of time.

    It is not, nor mandated by any law in Barbados. It is an imposition borrowed from AMERICAN politics which serves no use at all.

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  • These jokers had years of preparation and expecting Reifer who has only 45 days in politics to participate
    Boy yuh tell yuh some wunna really unfair
    However i sense spite in this debate especially coming from the blp and one which lays out a wicket to disadvantage Reifer
    Last night on Zoom Verla was explicit and logical as to why the dlp did not participate and she is absolutely correct
    Now flip the coin where Moore is a newbie on the political landscape and has only 45 days to prepare along with having to do ground work in the field
    Do u think the blp would be agreeable to having Moore participate in a debate
    Fuh christ sake get serious
    All knows that that the blp is now using the left foot movement bowling against Floyd and would do anything to bowl him out
    Politics is indeed a dirty game and Mia is showing how dirty she can be
    Only idiots would fall for this debate charade

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  • @Greene

    Throwing shade is a widely used term to mean ‘a subtle way of disrespecting or ridiculing someone verbally or non verbally’.

    Here is the link to podcast with Irene’s comment.

    [audio src="http://www.vob929.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/DBTOCT21-03.mp3" /]

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  • Carson C. Cadogan

    Talk to the people to the people in the constituency fo SGN this is not a general election.
    This is only a bye election. Plus the PM have no authority to call for Televised debates . The other parties are right to boycott them .

    We borrowing every tactic from overseas. Cant we think for our selves???

    Under what statue on the statue books is being used to back this decision?????

    The parties are right not to contest these so called debates.

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  • Who is forcing the parties to participate? The DLP and UPP have signaled that they will not participate. Nobody has a gun pointing to their heads.

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  • @David,

    widely used by whom? i have heard it before used by an American Broadcaster but never checked its meaning. i see it simply means criticise- oh well

    fix the Irene link

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  • Now that i have spoken truth on the debate charade
    Here is another truth one that calls for logic and compassion
    All knows that Canada is a hot spot for COVID and the elderly are at most high risk
    Which therefore must ask a moral question borne in logic and compassion
    Question to be asked Why would Mia send an elderly man namely Clarke in his seventies in a hot spot Covid environment to work
    Not to mention the frigid cold temperatures which he must endure
    Have anyone thought of the asinine and convoluted logic behind such decision
    I sincerely hope he does not have an ending similar to OSA
    What kind of friend would do such a thing

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  • Why don’t we think for ourselves and STOP BORROWING EVERTHING????

    We buying everything from every country on Earth and we borrowing too????

    We don’t have any ORIGINAL IDEAS OF OUR OWN???? That is when 3% of the population THE WHITE BAJANS AND INDIANS have inordinate say in Barbados.

    POOR BARBADOS!!!!!!!!

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  • @Greene

    It must be an age thing…LOL.

    The link is fine.

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  • Carson C. Cadogan

    She just wanted TONI MOORE of the so called Barbados Trade Union would be on her side when she make her unpopular decisions which are coming. Remember the leader of the opposition said that she is settling old scores.

    Anyone in her Govt. who was close to OWEN SEYMOUR ARTHUR got to go one or the next.

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  • NO ONE WOULD BE REPRESENTING the WORKERS. Only taking what little money they have as contributions and not looking after their interests.. Remember TONI MOORE words are not to trusted. SHE SAID THAT SHE IS NOT POLITICAL.. But here she is representing the Barbados Labour Party. While driving around in their MERCEDES BENZ AND BMW’s. Those who can not be trusted in little can not be trusted in much.

    The workers will be left out in the cold.

    At the mercy Of the WHIE BAJAN control BARBADOS PRIVATE SECTOR and Govt.

    And At the mercy of a BLACK DICTATOR.

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  • Stop posting nonsense. Toni Moore can be removed by the exec council if they are of the view Moore is compromised.

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  • Must be an age thing, I too have problems with the link.

    Mariposa 8:20
    It’s not an age thing. It’s a next dead 🐎 that you are beating and an insult to Mr Clarke and his family intelligence. They should know the risk and make calculated decisions

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  • Carson C. Cadogan

    She already compromised!!!

    She wearing too many hats.

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  • I agree with election debates but between leaders of national parties on national TV and I think a debate in a local by election should be confined to the constituency. I am just wondering if the idea of this debate came from political eyes fixed north when the news cycle was fixed on the then upcoming presidential debates in the US which makes it a case of monkey see monkey do.

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  • @Sargeant

    Obviously it is a politically motivated decision. The parties have the right to refuse.

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  • Yes, we may agree that Mugabe is a black dictator.

    If those making this specious agrument also concede that every PM Barbados has ever had was also a black dictator as well, after independence.

    These same people were here supporting Stuart just 2 years ago with gusto. Was he not a black dictator with cowardice as well?

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  • Those political ambassadorships and high commission positions should be abolished. We have career diplomats who should be offered those positions.
    Gline Clarke should be sent to settle on his St George mansion.

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  • @Hal

    you must be bonkers, mate. how else would we reward political patronage?

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  • hal

    I agree with you.

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  • We must be fair. How on earth can anybody blame Mia for Clarke accepting to resign and head off to Canada? All Clarke had to say was :”I am not giving up SGN and I am not going to Canada”. It’s pure partisan crap to blame Mia . She made an offer and Clarke accepted. After twenty six years of loyalty from the constituents he simply decided to throw SGN under the bus.
    Same thing with Moore. She accepted Mia’s offer ; joined the BLP ,to run in what everybody , Moore included, figures is a safe BLP seat. Has not one blasted to thing to do with workers/union. Anybody who wanted a good shot at getting in parliament would have accepted Mia’s offer. It’s opportunism folks.
    Ladies and gentlemen it is called opportunism. It’s the bedrock of our politics. Look at Comrade Prescod. He fly up cussed the white Shadows got kicked out of the cabinet and next morning he got the “opportunity” to be a special envoy and he took it.
    It’s all about what’s in it for me.
    Wake up people. None of the bogus nonsense deserves to be taken seriously. Barbados is a political playground for the BLPDLP and their political psychopaths.
    We so damn lost that just the other day somebody probably listening to CNN or FOX news, heard a term : “ throw shade “ and just so they introducing it to BU. Copy everything. The damn term was around now for nearly thirty years but it now reach us and we lapping it up. Copy cats.
    Opportunistic pseudo intellectuals, political psychopaths and copy cats.
    That’s who we are.

    Peace.

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  • Gazzerts the only dead horse beaten is the one which you tries to ride called. Ignorance ok

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  • @WS,

    What about ‘gaffe’? lol

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  • William you are an old cogger. Throwing shade is a phrase often used by young people in the lexicon of social media.

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  • “At present, candidates are simply mentioning their plans to voters. But neither our professional organisations or journalists are checking to see whether the plans are workable. Neither are they questioning whether the candidates have any capacity to implement their plans.”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I hope Mr. Phillips II means the plans outline in Solutions Barbados’ manifesto for St. George North should also be scrutinized as well. Although I endorse some of those plans, I’m curious as to know if some of them “are workable” and if Mr. Phillips II “has any capacity to implement” them.

    Let’s look at Solutions Barbados’ “Wealth Creation,” for example.
    “We will train people how to start and grow a profitable business, with no start-up money. The 8-week training will be at no cost to St George North residents. The aim is for each willing participant to have a viable Internet based business, by the end of the workshop. This should provide each household with a separate income stream.”

    An entrepreneur does not need a university degree to establish a business or an accountant to interpret financial statements.
    The five (5) main courses usually associated with business development (depending on if the prospective entrepreneur already possess those skills/qualifications), are principles of management, accounting, information technology, marketing and customer service. Then, he/she has to learn the rudiments of the business, if they do not have knowledge of and experience in the venture.

    Although the idea is expressed in the sub-heading “Wealth Creation,” it has not elaborated in the description. Therefore, I’m curious to know:

    (1). what is the ‘curriculum’ of the eight (8) week training workshop……… and if it is enough time to equip an individual with the necessary skills “to start and grow a profitable business?”

    (2). since a detailed business plan is an important document for any business……. and includes a section dedicated to ‘start-up costs,’ how will the prospective entrepreneur be able to finance the business “with no start-up money?”

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  • @Greene

    This blog from 2011 should interest you. Note the title.

    Steuspe

    https://barbadosunderground.net/2011/02/27/gaffe-was-a-gaff-after-all/

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  • ********* I hope Mr. Phillips II MEANT………..

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  • @ Greene
    @Carson

    It is all corned beef and biscuits politics, only sometimes the ‘corned beef’ is a job, what you guys call a pick. Corned beef, different flavour.

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  • @ David
    Make that old “Bajan” clogger. BTW got at least four bottles of Mount Gay sold in a liquor store yesterday. Complete strangers never heard of it. Not bad for an old Bajan clogger. Lol
    Now if they like it and each tells 3 Neighbours , work mate friends……..you get the drift.
    Peace

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  • Another one of Solutions Barbados’ plans that needs further explanation is “Finishing School.”

    “Regardless of how well or poorly students did at secondary school, we will train all willing St George North secondary school graduates (in six weeks) to be employable, and/or ready to start their own business. Training will be at no cost to St George North residents.”

    “Participants will learn to speak, write, listen, calculate, draw, and do tasks at an excellent level. We will teach them to become responsible adults, and model employees, and employers.”

    I also commend Mr. Phillips II on this proposed policy as well.

    On one hand Solutions Barbados and Mr. Phillips II are hoping to equip prospective entrepreneurs with the necessary skills to establish a business, after an eight (8) week training workshop……….

    ………. but, on the other, they are hoping to train recently graduated students “to be employable, and/or start their own business,” after six (6) weeks of training.

    Perhaps Mr. Phillips II should provide us with more information.

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  • @David

    i will let you off the hook with gaffe. nice play on words there- lol

    but i abhor the Americanism creep into our lexicon. you recently used the term, “founding fathers” to describe those person who around independence has something to do with our constitution but there is no reference to those person ever calling themselves by such a term. that term is one distinct to America. when used the reader or listener is immediately transported to the USA

    and now, “throw shade” which began popular usage by American social media types to criticise each other primarily in jest.

    certain words have cultural implications and sometimes they are imported into other cultures with different meanings. for that reason i prefer terms like, “mekking sport at” instead of “throwing shade at”

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  • @ Greene

    Once more you are right. We have no institution to protect our language, like the French. We get such careless use of language quite often here on BU, with those in North America and Australia spelling one way, those in Europe spelling another and a large number speaking in Bajan dialect.
    This goes right back to our educational system, the quality of our journalism and the poor nature of our civic leaders. We can tell the historical point at which the rot started from the mutilation of our language. Not since the death of Mr Wickham have we had literary journalism in any of our publications and it shows.
    The same people who sabotage our language are the same ones who want to celebrate Kamau Brathwaite, ‘Tom’ Clarke and George Lamming
    Only today I got an email from an old school friend celebrating the superior nature of English literature as it was taught at the old school. Nothing in it was about the golden age of English-speaking Caribbean literature.
    The real measure of our decline is not politics, but education in its broadest sense, as the old timers will tell you about their classical learning.
    We pay lip service to cognitive skills, yet the greatest insult on BU is that one is a polymath and reads books, or one ‘name drops’ English intellectuals. Can you believe it?
    One silly phrase that makes me laugh is that of ‘town hall’ meetings, which the Nation started using some years ago. Which town hall? They import these Americanism without thinking.
    I now hear Americans talking about conversating, which no doubt will soon turn up in Barbados. I will like to conversate the semi-educated idiots. You only have to read academics essays by some of those at Cave Hill to get my point.

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  • @ Greene
    Our distinguished Blogmaster is very take with cliche and what used to be called newspeak forty years ago. We continue to monitor his progress under the direction of @Pacha himself an erudite gentleman quite capable of tutoring our affable Blogmaster.
    Kindly do a little research on the term throw shade. I am certain that @Pacha will not take too kindly to his student using it.
    Peace

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  • @ Hal
    They are frauds! There are some on BU who pretend they want to destroy the English language under the pretense that vulgarity is Bajan and we culture. Yet in the company of those they consider their intellectual equals they use the finest language and even use words that are frequently used by classical scholars.
    They deny the scholarship of those whom they believe were not the recipients of studying at the great British university. They call one group historians and other historians chroniclers because they works have apparently not been approved by so called peers.
    They see the world class only through the same lens that the most decadent conservatives see it. Then take puerile shots at those who see a genuine Caribbean civilization as our only hope. No wonder we are just spectators in the global space we so vainly try to imitate.

    Peace.

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  • Willian Skinner
    You have a chink in your armour.

    Just a few weeks ago you were a stalwart defender of Prescod.

    IN spite of our repeated warnings you persisted, accompanied by your dishonest, ugly friend from London. How come a political doyen like you could not have known, decade ago, that Prescod was and has always been a scallywag pretending to be a pan-Africanist.

    Now, who’s the teacher and who is neophyte.

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  • @Greene

    Dont get tie up, words are about communicating. On the pages of BU there is a heavy use of words barbadiana. Some of you are too rh dishonest, disingenuous and hypocritical.

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  • @William

    We must not let our colonial experience or language differences to separate us. The Caribbean is a great place. We cannot pay lip service to Caribbean unity then hide behind the facade of Barbadianism.
    I say again, it is now a week that Jamaican have opened a digital bank in the UK. When I called it a Jamaican bank, I was corrected and told it was Caribbean. Barbadians cannot even set up a credit union in the UK.
    Jamaicans have been the great success story of Caribbean people in the UK, and apart from one or two individual Barbadians and their children, we are also rans. Is it cultural?

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    David I would have to describe myself as an “old cogger” too (certainly my body acts that way with the age) but the term “throwing shade” was familiar to me… so not sure age is the limiting aspect here!

    Frankly the term itself is “old” to me (being aware of it) … I would agree with you tho that it has simply gained greater currency bcz of social media and before that due to its use in popular TV/entertainment shows.

    I am amused therefore that it’s so “unknown” and generates this ‘buzz’.

    But that suggests – as should be obvious, really – that colloquialisms are only as familiar as our exposure to the culture from whence they come … so we know lots of English ‘slang’ like “old cogger” !

    What is wrong with using and imbibing American slang if we are now more overtly exposed to that ..
    I daresay the bloody blokes in Britain would love that we remain at her ‘Majesty’s pleasure’ and be gobsmacked under their bonnets forever … never to nick under the hood of those often daft n dodgy yankees … If u get my drift!

    Embrace all the blows and skirts vernacular do … we need to stop getting snookered into these culture word games !

    I gone.

    Oh BTW a TV debate – as all have said – for a byelection is pure political theater or as the Brits would opine pure waffling by the PM!

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  • PDP,

    i confess i get real pissed off with Americanisms and our quick appropriation of ithem

    i hate to hear us talking about loaning out something or any of the new terms that emanate from Yankland.

    i am just waiting to hear one of our politicians say ‘bigly’

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    LOL … re that reference to “conversate”, oh boy.

    I also previously thought that it was straight up BS or as suggested illiterate blundering … But as ALL language usage there is always much more to the mortar than the pestle (that British influence again).

    I also hate the word yet it actually has been around much, much longer than I knew, I discovered … it’s all about cultural nuances and how we choose to frame our acceptance of what’s ‘educated’ speech, I presume.

    One small other nuance that grates with me is “carry and bring”.

    I always knew them as having specific context of usage … I carry an item to a point to which I am going and bring that item to the point to which I am coming …

    So I am chaffed that the smooth English of my youth has become this annoying American thing where “John when you leave tomorrow can you bring that wine to your aunt” is standard.

    Man that grates the senses … 😂 but it’s now what’s accepted so I need to get some velvet on my grater device to kill the annoyance!

    C’est la vie!

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  • @David,

    are you attending the debates or watching and streaming live?

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  • @Greene

    Which debate?

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  • for the SGN by election. what other debate is there?

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  • @ Pacha
    I have already communicated my displeasure with Comrade Prescod via certain trusted sources.
    I am no political doyen and I am comfortable with the term neophyte. You have claimed that “ we” predicted that the DLP would not win a seat. I have read on BU where “ we” predicted at least five other outcomes.
    I am not we therefore I tend to express my positions to the best of my limited ability. Comrade Prescod is still held in great esteem by me.
    I have not misjudged his character; I have only questioned his judgement.
    You can proceed to put him under the guillotine or whatever. And I don’t know him to be a scallywag or want to be Pan- Africanist.
    I know the man as a brother and Comrade. What I consider to be a mistake or opportunistic grasp will not dirty this position . I myself has been judged and often misjudged.
    Peace.

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  • @ Hal
    We spend so much time running from ourselves that we don’t even have time to catch up with those we seek to be.
    Like I said when getting a bus on time or having your garbage collected is a cause for celebration, it’s difficult to detect exactly where or who we are.

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  • There is the US presidential debate LOL

    You are suggesting we do live blogging?

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  • Derek Alleyne ran for the DLP in the 1994 and 1999 elections. He was a DLP government senator between 2008-2009 while Deputy General Secretary of the NUPW before he was appointed Director of UDC. But anyone remembers this individual “Deputy Governor – Operations of the Central Bank of Barbados between 2000 and 2004, and as Chief Executive Officer of the Barbados Tourism Investment Inc. from 2004”? Went straight from civil servant to Cabinet.🤣🤣

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  • William Skinner

    Where are the contradictions cited by you.

    Our predictions werr based on the results of the election before last where this writer predicted that unless the dlp were to form a coalition with osa there would be a wipe out last time, as it was.

    But it was you who cautioned that five years was too long, an eternity in politics.

    Now, cite even one other prediction to the contrary as made by this writer. That can be the only way of proving your point.

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  • @ William

    One gets used to the notion of Barbadians talking (or now blogging) and claiming all kinds of genius predictions. Nowhere do we see evidence of this extraordinary achievements.
    I the meantime, while we talk rubbish, the rest of the world is moving on. On my patch, the Africans are now joining the Tories and promoting policies that are effectively anti-black. Only today a top government report came out, front by a Muslim and Ghanaian, which claims that the disproportionate number of blacks and Asians who have fallen victim to CoVid were not victims of race, but of poverty. It i wrong.
    There is now a huge campaigning talking about working class white boys being disadvantaged by black people, who get all the attention. Can you think of anything more perverse?
    Now we have a president who cannot even see the necessity of having progressive policies; her contempt for ordinary people is palpable, her distaste for our parliamentary democracy is obvious and her inescapable arrogance is mind-blowing.
    Yet we get people coming on BU, many cannot even afford to give themselves a decent meal when the day comes, boasting of their support for this cultish figure.

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  • Carson C. Cadogan

    HAL

    You seeing things clear, clear, clear.

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  • @David,

    everyone enjoys a spectacle and i am not talking about the US presidential debate

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  • “Embrace all the blows and skirts vernacular do … we need to stop getting snookered into these culture word games!”

    @dpD

    I agree with Mr. Skinners’ October 22, 2020 12:12 PM contribution. I remember an academic saying Eric Sealy and Mark Williams were not historians, because they didn’t have graduate or post-graduate qualification in history.
    What also made me laughed was, during an interview, the then president of the social workers association said, despite her work with charities, children and the elderly, Olga ‘Auntie Olga’ Lopes-Seale was not a social worker, because did not have a BSc in social work.
    That individual would have taken 3 or 4 years to complete his social work degree and then had work to gain the knowledge and experience ‘Auntie Olga’ accumulated over the years.

    I also agree that American ‘slang’ has crept into our society. I’ve read on BU, for example, the same people who are advocating for the proper use of English, often referring to children as ‘kids.’ I believe anyone who wants to pride themselves on the proper use of English language, would never use ‘kids’ in their daily speech or writings. But, that’s just MY PERSONAL opinion.
    I’ve also read some contributors using UK slang, such as ‘buggers,’ which is defined by some sources as a ‘mild swear word,’ to describe other contributors.

    Now we’re ‘talking’ about insults………. today is not the first time I’ve read the accusation, but, unless it can be indicated otherwise, I can’t remember reading any contribution on BU, in which the author referred to another contributor as a ‘polymath.’
    There is a regular contributor, for example, who described me as ‘an appallingly ignorant bookkeeper that learnt by rote.’ That particular individual also takes every opportunity afforded him, to make snide, subtle references about me. And, only recently, I was referred to as “a brain dead idiot, slimy pig and social vermin,” for simply responding to someone who subtly attacked me. But, I don’t come on BU everyday to rehash the past and continue making a big issue about it. Probably if I were ‘thin skinned.’

    ‘Life is short,’ and, I don’t care what people I see almost daily say, bother me. So why should I spend my remaining years worrying myself about what people on a blog I do not know, whether they use real names or pseudonyms……… write about me?

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  • Unlike the ugly man from england, this writer has never had to rely on anybody’s welfare state.

    And being a strict vegan for forty years means that all manner of the kinds of things his ilk imbibes are not at all appealing, acceptable.

    We have an unusual relationship with food and drink. Currently, its one meal a day please. All part of a strict keto-vegan diet, Intermitting fasting. And all foods must be certified organic.

    You poor boys hiding under the Queen’s skirt always come here with an attitude that there must all be barefoot boys running bout somewhere in the Back Ivy. But no!

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  • Pachamama yessss!!!

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  • Why hasnt govt been transparent about the deal/ deals between govt and the new owners / management of Harrison Caves
    All the news media has said so far lends to workers being retrenched
    Sometimes it makes for wonder if Mia thinks she owns the whole of Barbados
    All must remember Mia hooting and hollering about transparency and accountability for 10 years
    What is so different now
    Did the cat cut her lying tongue

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  • Asking fuh a friend

    Is it true that if Toni Moore wins she will replace Dr Sonia Browne as Chair of Committees?
    This means that Toni will now receive her fat General Secretary salary of $12, 000 plus allowances of $3000 along with another $13, 000 as chair.
    It means that she will earn a month nearly 30 k as the leader of working class people. People of St George need to wait up!
    She sending home people and hiring herself.

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  • if you want to look behind the Harrison’s Cave deal, examine the relationship between the uncle of MAM and the new Jamaican management of the Cave. you may or may not see the connection.

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  • Why should the public have to go poking around to find answers to the govt/ Harrison deals/ agreements
    That is the biggest insults to the barbadian people
    Now if one holds media feet to fire for not asking relevant question that would be quite understandable
    However govt cannot go selling off barbados / barbadians assets or make back door negotiations towards any barbados assets without being fully transparent and accountable to the people
    Mia gone mad or what

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  • Has GPII’s innovation award winning product, one that would allow steel to be bent at a cheaper cost, been commercialised? How many people at the Combermere forum have started and still have businesses birthed at this meeting? Why did it take GPII a by-election, having contested the seat in 2018, to help youngsters in SGN?

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  • That’s all folks what arrogrance
    Wunna wait till Nov if yuh want to hear more
    Govt of barbados utterances on Harrison Caves

    Harrison’s Cave will be managed by nature adventure tour company Chukka Caribbean Adventures (Barbados) Ltd under a partnership that will take effect on December 1, 2020, announced Caves of Barbados Ltd (CBL) in a brief statement this evening.

    CBL confirmed that four bids were received and Chukka was chosen based on the high quality of its submission which offered a strong proposal for investment and development of the attraction.

    “The selection of a shortlisted bid was then followed by months of negotiations of a contract led by a Government-appointed college of negotiators,” CBL said.

    Minister of Tourism Senator Lisa Cummins confirmed that the country will receive a full update at a media conference planned for November which will include the principals from Chukka.

    As part of the process, CBL’s employees and their representatives have been fully apprised of the developments and have been working collaboratively with CBL on the necessary transition arrangements, the statement said.
    (BT/PR)

    Read our ePaper. Fast. Factual.

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  • Some bet in the horse and some bet on the hockey. But what do you bet on when the jockey likes to pick dead horses?

    How is my favorite BU female.

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  • Some bet on the horse and some bet on the jockey. But what do you bet on when the jockey likes to pick dead horses?

    How is my favorite BU female.

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  • Emergency Doctor, Simone Gold MD, found herself censored and even fired from the hospitals she practiced at for speaking out on the use of Hydroxychloroquine. Now, she’s one of the most visible faces of the fight against Big Tech Censorship. Take a look.

    41min Facebook video:

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  • Mariposa, when Mottley sell Harrison’s Cave?

    I can’t understand, you saying Mottley sell Harrison’s Cave and then bring a story from Barbados Today that said “Harrison’s Cave will be MANAGED by nature adventure tour company Chukka Caribbean Adventures (Barbados) Ltd under a partnership that will take effect on December 1, 2020,”

    So which one it is? The Cave sold or a company going to invest and manage it?

    Or you think MANAGING the Cave MEAN the SAME THING as SELLING it?

    I just want to know, cause yuh got me confused.

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  • The people of SGN saying that the debate does not matter they have meet the candidates and already made up their minds
    So much for foolish thinking by Mia
    Maybe Peter Wickham should have done a poll in SGN on whether the people of SGN wanted a debate
    But then again this debate charade is wanting for the blp to make up for loss ground in SGN which the party belived would have been a cake walk for Toni Moore

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  • Michael Campbell
    Anything you want to know about Caves u should asked govt
    Like u i am confused
    Nobody knows any details on the deals or agreements
    Speculations abound

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  • Btw Does anyone knows why Mia is having Parliaments via Zoom from her house
    Is this a new trend for govt officials to take home pending matters having to do with the country business and use their home as an alternative to parliament
    I thought parliament and ministerial offices were put in place for govt meetings to avoid conflicts or suspicions of a nature that can be susceptible to mischievous
    actions
    If Mia is not handicapped by illness
    Then why is she using Zoom to have govt meetings rather than the ministerial offices provided for such purposes
    Inquiring minds wants to know

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  • The churches speak

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  • Just as I said.

    THE TELEVISED DEBATES ARE A WASTE OF TIME, MONEY AND SPACE.

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  • @ Carson

    The debate was aimless, the so-called moderator was intimidated by Trump and overall, it was entertainment. Everything American is not progress. We equate economic power and military might with excellence in everything. This debate was evidence that it is not necessarily so.

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  • according to this article voters in SGN know who they will vote for and will watch the deabte but it wont change their minds. most of the voters in the article are from the Char Row Bridge environs which encompasses Airy Hill, the homestead of the Reifers

    https://barbadostoday.bb/2020/10/23/st-george-north-residents-say-debates-wont-impact-by-election-voting/

    quote] The upcoming political debates don’t appear to have much significance to the people of St George North.

    In fact, most of those in the constituency who spoke to Barbados TODAY indicated they had already made up their minds on which candidate they would vote for in the November 11 by-election.

    Four candidates – Toni Moore of the Barbados Labour Party (BLP), the People’s Party for Democracy and Development’s (PdP) David Walrond, Grenville Phillips II of Solutions Barbados, and the Barbados Free Party’s Alex Mitchell – have already confirmed their participation in the live televised debates scheduled to take place on October 29 and November 6 at the Lloyd Erskine Sandiford Centre.

    The Democratic Labour Party (DLP) candidate, Floyd Reifer and Ambrose Grosvenor of the United Progressive Party (UPP) have opted not to take part in the debates.

    When a team from Barbados TODAY visited some of the communities in the constituency, all those interviewed said they already knew who was getting their vote.

    A resident of Arthur’s Road, Parish Land, who gave his name as Mr Graham, said while he would listen to the debates they would not have an impact on his decision.

    “I listen to the radio and the candidates already come through here so the debate isn’t really an issue for me. I will still watch it on my TV but it’s not that big a deal for me one way or another,” he said.

    Elwin Browne, who lives just a stone’s throw away, also said his mind was already made up.

    “Debate? I know Reifer. He born bout hey and I beating home drums first. I does watch and listen to the radio and television but my mind made up,” he said.

    His friend Kelvin Clarke was of the same view.

    He said he would be voting for Reifer because of his closeness to the community.

    “I don’t need a debate to tell me who to vote for. It will be interesting to listen to, but Reifer won’t be on it but I will still be voting for him,” Clarke said.

    While not revealing his choice of candidate, a resident of Bridge Cot Terrace, who declined to give his name, told Barbados TODAY he saw no need for a debate in a by-election.

    The middle-aged man said such an event should only be staged for a general election involving all party leaders.

    “I’ve never seen a debate for two people running in an election. Let the head of the DLP, the head of the BLP, the head of Solutions and the heads of the rest, they should have the debate,” he said.

    “All of a sudden they call a debate. We have roads that need fixing so let them come and deal with that. No debate ain’t gine make no difference.”

    One lady who said she resided in Airy Hill but declined to give her name, also said she believed most constituents already knew who they would vote for.

    She said while she would have loved to see all the candidates participate in at least one of the debates, it would make little difference in who voters selected.

    “People already know who they are voting for. The candidates have been canvassing for a while so we already know what they are offering,” she said.

    “The majority of people vote for a particular party, so regardless of who that person puts forward they will still get the vote, so I don’t expect the debate to change much.”

    A resident of Lower Estate who said he did not want to give his name for fear of victimisation, also said he was decided.

    He said that after listening to all the candidates who had visited the area, he made his decision based on who he believed had the best offerings.
    (randybennett@barbadostoday.bb) [unquote

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  • Carson C. Cadogan

    HAL

    Quiet so. Some in Barbados foolishly think that because it was imported from AMERICA it has to be the best thing since slice bread.

    Where are our Barbadian ideas?????

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  • @Greene

    Then you have nothing to worry about based on the article (unscientific poll).

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  • @ Hal
    So many are late to the party, I wonder where they grew up or only recently started taking an interest in the country they profess to love so much.
    We were warned about cultural penetration since the 60s. There was a time when even with spouge music we covered most American hits. You recently mentioned the Jamaicans. We abandoned spouge and folk music while Jamaicans took reggae to the world. Go into any supermarket or restaurant anywhere in the world and jerk this and that on the menus or some variation in the supermarkets. Most will be shocked that Haiti has exports.
    You are absolutely correct about our refusal to recognize that our tourist product is not unique. Our major resource has always been our people and our ability to make success of ourselves where ever we ended up. Back then people were happy to meet up with a fellow Bajan returning for a holiday. People would turn up with basic warm hospitality. A flask of rum, bottle of home made hot sauce. Once the we switched to America , Little England became Little Brooklyn . The American “ rugged individualism “. The language changed, the music changed and the crudeness set in. To reverse this needs strong creative leadership and we just don’t have it at this moment and we are afraid to admit.
    Rather than three meetings with the folks in SGN speaking on their own behalf to the candidates who want to represent them; we want two televised debates in a frigging bye-election. Welcome to Little Brooklyn.
    We big up!
    Peace

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  • Word spread across social media yesterday stating that PM was sick
    Soon after Mia via media denied the story
    Now question being asked on social media and wanting to know
    Why is Mia using Zoom from her home to conduct countries business when govt offices built for such purposes are available

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  • @David,

    small sample. that is why i mentioned the voters in the article are from Reifer’s neck of the woods but it is instructive what one voter said,

    “The majority of people vote for a particular party, so regardless of who that person puts forward they will still get the vote, so I don’t expect the debate to change much.”

    in that case and like most people have posited this is the BLP’s seat to lose.

    despite that, Reifer is putting up a stout fight. kudos to him and the DLP

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  • What seems to be causing the split among experts is the reputation debates have for spotlighting a candidate s mistakes — or the smooth-as-silk comeback lines — and the impact they have on voters. (

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  • @WS

    a nation lacking self belief appropriates the culture of others

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  • @Greene

    There are always blocs who have made their minds up in advance just like they are undivideds who can be convinced.

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  • @David,

    you actually believe there are undecided voters at this stage?

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  • Mariposa trust you to try to promote a rumour nothing more about Ms Mottley.It seems to me that you along with your cohorts are wishing the worst for our PM.Hpwever i know neither the cut and paste artist out of Canada or you would reveal this .Mr K Stuart has been suspended as General Secretary and President of the Young Democrats.Accoding to the BT story Mr Stuart was asked to resign which he refused to do and was hence suspended.At least it shows the political nightwatchman has more balls than the ex PM who rather than take action against the ex speaker allowed to continue as though nothing had happened.As for the debates it is clear the persons interviewed are Dems supporting Mr Reifer and would therefore would not want debates because it is clear Ms Moore wpuld wipe the floor with Mr Reifer who seems to have to read off prepared scripts whenever he speaks in my view.

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  • @Greene

    There are always undecideds. Then there are the cynical and apathetic citizens who have to be mobilized to vote.

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  • @ William
    Ousr greatest tourism market is not white English people, but those of Barbadian heritage, yong people of second, third and fourth generation who have heard of this little island and want to see what it is like.

    To use on of your observations, I do not live in Barbados and know nothing about our island home. Everything I know is second and third hand.
    The silly people who Google Trump and Brexit and speak like experts believe in all honesty that emails, telephones, holidays, Whatsapp, etc are not available to Barbadians outside Barbados.
    I have Panamanian-American cousins and every time we talk of meeting up I suggest we do so in Barbados. Nothing gives greater satisfaction than seeing them dancing at Leckie’s in Oistin’s.
    It is a market waiting to be exploited. Only a few weeks ago some UK born Bajans went to the island to get married and took along some friends, including fellow UK born Bajans. After two three generations they still see Barbados as ‘home’.
    But, for some reason, our tourism officials have not heard of this. They continue to live in a dream world. As to the television debate, it confirms everything I thought about our journalists.
    Instead of getting out in the constituency and doing the leg work, these want a television debate at LESC, complete with suits and ties.

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  • @ Mariposa

    Have you seen that photo op complete with laptop, sending the message I am fit and hard at work. I am superwoman, I do not get ill. Reports that I am human are misplaced. Tells you all you want to know.

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