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Submitted by Tee White (article submitted to the Nation newspaper)

Dear Editor

I was shocked to read your article in the Nation of 18 June, which reported that Minister of Culture, John King, is opposed to ‘dumping Nelson’.

Mr King is, of course, right that everybody can form their own personal opinions about any issue, including that of racism. However, the problem is that as Minister of Culture, he represents the people of Barbados. How would it reflect on our country if in international meetings he is defending the maintenance of statues glorifying racists and mass murderers even as countries all over the world are removing these offensive objects from the public space?

Mr King says that he has been reading the cabinet papers from previous discussions of this matter but demonstrates a shocking lack of understanding of the issue. I will pass without comment his preposterous statement that removing symbols that glorify racism, such as Nelson’s statue, amounts to visiting the horrors of chattel slavery on others. He appears to think that taking a stand against racism amounts to excluding non-Africans from the history of Barbados. According to this logic, every Bajan of non-African descent supports anti-African racism and the glorification of its architects. This is a terrible insult to those Bajans of non-African descent who strongly oppose racism and also demand the removal of statues and monuments that glorify it. Is John King not aware that the earliest rebellions in Barbados saw enslaved Africans and indentured Irish people fighting together against the oppressive powers of that time? Does he not see across the whole globe that millions of people of all nationalities and colours are taking a united stand against racism, and those who seek to glorify it?

The thing is that the foundation of racism, upon which modern Barbados was established, cannot be incorporated into any new Barbados in which we simply see each other as human beings because racism is opposed exactly to this concept and insists on categorising people into superior and inferior groups. That is why today, people are demanding that racism has no place in the modern world. You cannot defend racism and its symbols and at the same time claim to be against it. Would anyone take Germany seriously if it claimed to be against Nazism while maintaining statues and other monuments glorifying Hitler and the other leaders of the Nazi regime?

I wonder if Mr King’s comments about the parliament building, the wharf and elsewhere are serious comments. If they are, he really does have no understanding of this issue. Wasn’t Barbados itself around during slavery and playing a part in it? What are we to do with it? Throw it in the sea? The demand is very clear. Statues and monuments are some of the ways in which society honours individuals from the past. Those that glorify racists and people involved in the commission of crimes against humanity should be taken down from the public space because they are a statement that the society honours racism and crimes against humanity in the here and now.

There are, of course, many other issues in Barbados that need to be addressed in order to build a new and inclusive society that works for all Barbadians. However, we will make no headway with these if we are unable to confront and overcome the monster of racism that still disfigures our island. The taking down of Nelson is a small step in this effort.

On this issue, Minister King is quite simply wrong.

Read Minister John King’s article published in the Nation newspaper 18 June 2020


 

King not on board with dumping Nelson

MINISTER OF CULTURE John King is not in support of the wholesale removal of Lord Nelson’s statue in The City.

He told the media yesterday his opinions on Nelson and race on the whole were personal and he would stick by them, even if they cost him.

“There are a number of papers I am now studying, from about 2009, on discussions various Cabinets would have had on this issue, but on a personal note – and I know what I am about to say is going to upset a lot of people – I would agree that if you’re talking about Heroes Square,there are validations to the varied opinions. But I will not – and it could cost me everything – be a part or party of trying to do to others what we say has been done to us,” he said.

Calls for the removal of the statue were made again during last Saturday’s protest march through Bridgetown in support of the Black Lives Matter movement in the United Sates and across the world.

King said he did not believe in “stripping down everything and throwing it away”, saying there was a history before slavery and it was now time for a new mindset.

“If you are saying that during enslavement and the colonisation process, that our history, culture and way of life were wiped out and we came into places like the Americas as minorities, why would you now turn around and advocate to do the same thing to somebody else? The discussion we should be having is, if we want to remove this statue, where do we put it?

“How do we recognise the collective history of Barbados is not relegated solely to Barbadians of Afro descent? How do we also incorporate the history of the indigenous people who were here [first]? How do you incorporate

all of the groups that make up Barbados? Let us look at these things for what they are and use them to inspire ourselves to change our prejudices and look at each other as human beings,” he urged.

King said the Parliament Buildings

and the Wharf were around during slavery and played a part in it, asking if those too should be thrown away. He said the Nelson statue should be utilised to the advantage of Barbados while not disadvantaging anyone.

As for the Black Lives Matter movement, King, who as a calypsonian and Pic-O-De-Crop monarch performed social commentaries such as

Fool’s Paradise, How Many More? and I Want A Plantation, said he was accustomed to speaking out against social injustice on his own and would only join any group if and when he felt it necessary.

“I’ve always been advocating against racism, as an entertainer performing overseas and from growing up in England, so I know it well. What is going on in the Unites States has been going on for eons but it is now easier to see due to social media.

“[However] there are other issues right here I don’t hear people talking about, issues some people don’t want to protest, such as classism, which is also a knee on people’s necks. We need to talk about the violence in our own communities . . . and I don’t hear anyone talking about the history of the people we call ‘red legs’ in St John. I hope our future generations find themselves in a different place,” he said.

(CA)

 


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598 responses to “Minister John King is Wrong”


  1. Look, they could jump up and down, when it’s done it’s done, these negative energy, unprogressive mentally damaged people are not the ones in control, they still dont know their asses from their elbows, so colonially blinded they are…they are the ones still waiting for the cousins in the palace to make decisions in theiir lives because they are still so mentally weak and still don’t know that they are human and are supposed to be independent in mind and thought, but not them, they are still trying to perpetrate and UNLEASH colonial crimes on the next generation of the African descended but they wont be unleashing any slavemaster demons on mine….

    all they gotta do is try putting back up a colonial racist statue when it’s taken down..


  2. @ John King

    Relocate the statue to Nelson & Wellington Street Junction and closed the debate/issues.


  3. @ John A June 19, 2020 8:47 AM

    I concur with your views. There are a lot of “blow-hards” shouting and hollering blue murder; who think that their view point should be the only one and if others disagree resort to cussing and so on. I have stated on this blog that I look to the future : I know what the past is and it cannot be changed. Those hollering the loudest should set forth ideas of how they are going to improve the economic outlook of black Barbadians and blacks in general. I have lived long enough to realize that, those hollering the loudest have usually been bought hook, line and sinker by the alleged oppressors, to do their dirty work. Those who do not like my position that’s their problem.

  4. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ John A at 12:05 PM
    Well said. I ,too, like to visit places of historical interests on my trips abroad. It helps me to understand the people. And they are revenue earning opportunities. The tourists get a feel good experience and we get compensated for their use of our infrastructure. Is it not interesting where our taxi cabs in Bridgetown are located. That did not happen by accident.
    But some of us like ” to cut off our noses in order to spite or features”.


  5. “His popularity came because Bajans were very grateful and relieved not to become a French West Indian colony, which would have been the alternative if Admiral Horatio Nelson had not gained victory for the British off Cape Trafalgar on the southern coast of Spain.”

    PLEASE, NOT BAJANS…..THE WHITE BRITISH SLAVE MASTERS. Blacks were not considered people. He did nothing for our ancestors.


  6. @ Vincent Codrington
    Do you honestly believe that Barbadians have no identity and are struggling for one. Thanks for letting us in to this warped thinking.
    ########

    Of course we have an identity but unfortunately, there are a number of us whose identity reflects the racist views of the slavemaster. If you haven’t already read Frantz Fanon’s Black Skin White Mask, I suggest you give it a read.

    How many African Bajans will proudly declare that they are African? When pressed they will say I wasn’t born in Africa but in the next breath will call someone an Indian who was born in Bridgetown. Stop for one minute and ask yourself, from the psychological point of view, why descendants of Africans would be so resolutely defending the maintenance of a statue dedicated to an individual who openly believed in their oppression and did everything he could to maintain it. Is this not warped thinking? What does that tell you about the self identity of that individual? Do you know of Jews anywhere agitating for the glorification of Hitler and the Nazis? The number of times I have heard some Bajans say they are sorry they are black and if they could come back in another life, they would ask to be white. When this type of self hatred is integrated into your identity, how can you go into the world as a self confident individual and play a positive role as a human being?

    Here in Barbados, we need to address the problem of decolonising our identity if we are ever to assume that role in our anthem of being “firm craftsmen (and women) of our fate”


  7. John A…Antiguans are just as clueless and brainwashed as Bajans …that is where i saw shrunken African heads as a child, am now wonderng if they were not still killing African descended Antiguans and shrinking their heads right in that nelson dockyard in the 60s…plenty colonials were still living around there at the time, still evil and they had them displayed in their houses…and black Antiguans would not have said a word if they were murdering them and shrinking their heads, they would have kept it secret just like Bajans would and smile, so afraid were they. i bet you the modern day Antiguans know nothing about any of that…because Black Caribbean people still don’t pass on information to each other, still keeping stupid secrets that causes them their freedom if not their lives….and still proud of being the mentally enslaved…

    …thankfully, the new generations are nothing like that…


  8. @Hal
    Because she has always be duplicitous. It is not world class enough. Bet if Amanpour comes for an interview on Black Lives Matter she would jump at the opportunity. She plays Barbadians like a violin.
    ########
    Day duz run till night ketch it


  9. @ Pachamama June 19, 2020 11:34 AM

    As you already know, my view that the salvation of the black race lies not in the ‘feigned’ transformation in the heart of any white person but in the liberation of the mind of the black man through the behaviour and values set by the black woman standing in for Mother Africa.

    It is the black woman of the Diaspora who is stronger and must act as the driver in the race for the mental liberation of the race.

    Annalle Davis is just a small window of guilt offering a chink of light through which black Bajans like VC and ‘Johnny’ King should look through to see the ‘dark’ soul of the people to whom they show subservience and ‘religiously’ obsequious deference.

    When we see the likes of the same guilt-ridden Annalle attending the same Christian churches and mixing with the black faces in the congregation then we both know the end is nigh.


  10. Firms are beginning to fess up in Uk over role in slave trade and ‘reparations’ their heads of businesses received for their ‘properties’ as individuals with some earning equivalents of millions of squids (as per UCL Database).

    It is time for Caricom and/or Hilary Beckles to step in and provide some guidance as it seems the monies they are volunteering will be going to black communities in UK and some generic black initiatives in their own firms, unless they put in their own two pennies worth to suggest and advise otherwise and argue the case. Arguments could / should be made to widen remit to include Caribbean and even Africa as beneficiaries.

    These are Big Banks and Lloyds Insurance offering some monies. My own idea or vision would be to set up a Black Trust Fund where shares can be sold in Global Markets for Investments into Black Business initiatives and Projects. Slave descendants could be eligible for some shares and specific dividends and anyone else could invest into the ethical fund including institutions Governments etc. People and Corps and Governments and Royal Families liable for Reparations could self report their role to regulate themselves and put money in and could be restricted from selling their shares until the fund board declares it is possible. Court Actions could also be taken against those not volunteering to admit their links to crimes.

    The monies seem to be in line to money they received to free their ‘property’ but does not take into account the generations who died before that, wages due, hardship suffered etc, so Caricom and Hilary will need to argue the case to extend the remit fairly. Hal may even be able to get involved as a FT reporter or even a board member of Trust Fund if that route is taken.

    It is best to make contact asap as if you snooze you lose.

  11. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ Robert Lucas at 12 :29 PM
    I have stated on this blog more than once that if I believed in Conspiracy Theory I would conclude that some commenters are agent provocateurs who are hell bent on destroying what progress we have made since WW 2. I am hoping that the majority population ,turn a deaf ear to them and continue to apply commonsense in their decision making.

  12. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    There is much glee no doubt in a full-time Rhodes scholarship … that invariably offers an outstanding future of success and wealth… It doesn’t stop us snarking at the benefactor Cecil Rhodes, however.

    The future is generally bountiful but the past degradation experienced to get there still hurts.

    So there is no shame or harm in looking back and accepting that the joys now experienced are wrought on the backs of many brethren (all sexes) and that we need to REDRESS and REASSESS.

    @Vincent, you are fond of suggesting that life is about change … What has lower-case ‘changed’ here to make you CHANGE that ethos!

    I gone.


  13. The only way all of this will move forward instead of still remaining a stagnant pool of colonial filth going around and round with dumbed down blacks and self proclaimed coloreds believing that it should remain the same old…is for the brainwashed and mentally diseased enslaved blacks/coloreds to all die off…they are holding up progress and the young generation willl NOT tolerate any of their backwardness into another decade let alone another generation….


  14. To make it even more ugly…there is a REVOLUTION taken place in US right now that could help propel more enlightment…freedom……for the Caribbean people as well and just to prove how mentally damaged these clowns are, ya can’t here not one of them mention it..

    ……the people are using their rights under international law to assert their powers of DETERMINATION, i posted the info here TWICE…….they have taken up whole streets, fired the mayor and not even the president can stop it…

    …but here are the dumbasses on BU not even paying attention to any of that because FREEDOM OF THEIR PEOPLE is alien to them and does not even register in their cloudy minds…..and they cannot recognize freedom when they see it, imagine that …in the 21st century…

    they would prefer cuss each other than to say, yes, finally, some positive changes that can POSITIVELY IMPACT the lives of Caribbean people, but not them they are stuck on PRESERVING COLONIALISM.. keeping their own people generationally OPPRESSED as though they have some prize to get for doing so……

    they don’t even care that they will end up a laughing stock….just like the clowns of parliament,

  15. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    Well one quick last one….

    I have read these blogs daily for last many months (and I stand to be corrected) but the ONLY folks who REPEATEDLY voice the remarks like “[t]hose who do not like my position that’s their problem” or they gine cuss me now because I am not towing the accepted opinions’ and other attempts to incite snarky retorts are …GUESS!..

    Why is it that they think their views are going to titillate the blog so much… Is it because theirs is often outlandish, illogical reasoning that cannot stand a reasonable review… So they automatically set-up a straw man anticipating they CANNOT defend their screeds 😂🤔

    @David, yours is a blog that any grad student could mine for thesis gold!

    I gone, gone.

  16. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ dpD at 12:43 PM

    I am sure you gone to come back with more foolishness. So here we go.
    Life is change . That is a given. Fortunately Man does influence the direction of that change by getting the buy- in of the majority. Those who carry the Light are committed to ensure that Light is not extinguished by short term thinkers . Not all carry the Light. How do you like my high case Light?
    I do not support change for change sake especially when it generates more heat than Light. That good enough for you?

  17. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    Miller…did you see that…SELF DETERMINATION…is right there for Caribbean people…freedom to dictate their own futures….and ya have a pack of CLOWNS on BU who can’t see anything in front of them except for their anxiety to preserve colonialism,….

    …i was watching them since yesterday, people on the island, across the Caribbean, in the Diaspora and on the Continent are so happy to see a start, something unfolding…and the BU jackasses can’t see a thing let alone acknowledge that there is a revolution..

    …..well ya foolish PM called it a trend because she don’t even know what a revolution looks and sounds like either, so what would we expect from the colonial bllights for subjects, ya can’t even call them citizens…

    cousins in the palace must be laughing their asses of as they should…lol


  18. @ robert lucas June 19, 2020 12:29 PM

    Have you ever heard of or read about a man called Simon Wiesenthal?


  19. @David

    “We work to build a JUST SOCIETY brick by brick.”

    and David how’s this been working for you all. Country BROKE, CORRUPTION RAMPANT, 30% UNEMPLOYED, SKY HIGH DEBT AND GROWING, BERT, BOSS and the list is endless. Wily concludes this must be the SOCIETY YOU ALL trying to achieve, we’ll guess what, YOU’VE ACHIEVED YOUR GOAL and still allowed to talk shit and complain.

    SAME OLD SAME OLD.


  20. Take it easy, in due course we will realized that a few more men holds the interest of Maboy other than Nelson, albeit they are just as stiff and hard as the dead Admiral.

  21. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    Pacha….am so ashamed FOR THEM…these are the ones who like to boast of their high level of education on the island…but here they are letting the world see exactly how educated they are not…christ…how could they actually miss what’s going on with people posting everywhere, it has been live on TV for the last 2 weeks…AND HAS GENERATED AND MANIFESTED A VERY STRONG MOVEMENT…

    their only desire is to keep themselves and their people oppressed under a racist colonial slave society system…..i bet if tomorrow the palace says, you know what, let’s take all those symbols away from them and tell them they are on their own…these would not know what to do and that is how they will cause the next generation to end up being enslaved and none of them would even notice how it happened …. for another 50 years….maybe even 150 years.

    i would never have believed it if i did not see it myself and that is how UK got away with mentally enslaving them for the last 150 years and Windrush happened…well at least they know their mentally week colonial half human creations in the parliament can be manipulated again because they are desperately trying to cover their corrupt tracks…..but they are too toxic to use or get close to…too much scandals of money laundering etc….they are now the untouchables…


  22. Re John King and “dumping Nelson”. I am not sure why we are still hoeing this particular row.

    Long ago, I suggested that we dismantle Nelson’s statue and see whether it could be sold to the village of Burnham Thorpe, Norwich , England, Nelson’s birth place, even at a discounted rate.

    Alternatively, I felt that either Sotheby‘s or Christie’s, famous auction houses, could be approached and invited to determine whether there was a market for Nelson’s statue. The statue could then be auctioned off and proceeds used to defray some expenses of some poor family, or whatever.

    Even Antigua’s Nelson’s Dockyard could conceivably benefit from a statue of the “heroic” Lord Nelson. In exchange, Antigua could barter us some food and livestock, such as listed among their primary exports.

    Finally, as a further alternative, I had suggested that Nelson’s statute could be relocated in a refurbished, tourist friendly Nelson Street – supervised by a sort of Col. Bostick, or some constituency M.P – and suitably displayed there, aimed at tourists visiting Bridgetown, encouraged to visit Lord Nelson statue in Nelson Street and visit adjoining Wellington Street since such navy veterans could probably have been whoresharks in their own right. (You don’t get a street named after you for nothing. @ Blogmaster – you ever had a street named after you? If so, when last?)

    All, therefore, is not lost. A discarded Nelson might still be worth a few $$$$. One man’s trash may still be another man’s treasure. This matter should have been resolved long ago, without so much jawboning.

  23. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    http://chng.it/rpj5cTnv

    This is what intelligent people do when they SEEK FREEDOM and self determination…they dont try to keep the same disabling structures in place. They remove them.

  24. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    There is still hope. There are still people on the island with some level of commonsense.

    http://www.afrikanheritage.com/in-whose-name-does-this-government-act-in-whose-name-do-we-seek-justice/


  25. Waru
    Annalle Davis was fairly vocal back in the 1990s when at the same time four white men headed all four private sector organizations and were plotting to overthrown the Sandiford regime. One of them called Sandiford an errant school boy and Sandiford lacked the intestinal fortitude to throw his cunt out of the island.

    When Black people were talking about economic democracy Davis was deifying her ancestors as though they were washed in the blood of the lamb. And doing so proudly. Only in Barbados can all kinds of people along with local whites meet to kick black ass.
    But we like it do. Love it !

  26. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    Pacha…i was one who was really happy she wrote her little expose and confirmed what we have been saying for years and villified for it right here on BU…. that Barbados is a repulsive little racist society and the majority Black population is forced to fund the racism and apartheid against themselves.., all of which needs dismantling ASAP if they younger generation is to move forward….she probably saw the writing on the wall, unlike the blind in the parliament…too busy looking for the next scam, they are in short supply these days…

    am sure this deceitful government was too embarrassed to say anything about Davis’ letter but the Johnnie was happy to jump out to preserve the racism and colonialism…

    when i posted it on BU…the usual suspects did not unpick their teeth, but they got a lot of talk to keep a racist statue sitting as a symbol of slavery in the town square, we can’t make this up, no we cant…people are so disgusted they can’t believe that grown ass men are still enabling this evil shit in the 21st century on the island…

    ya done know the black men calling themselves leaders are just stupid and weakminded, they only have talk for the people who look like them and who elected them …remember when that disgusting dried up douche Bizzy disputed the then sitting PM Fruendel for saying that Barbados is a Black majority country and instead of telling the thief to sit his tiefing racist ass the hell down and STFU he put his tail between his legs and said nothing like a slave boy…they are all jokers and sell outs….total waste of oxygen..


  27. Waru
    Everybody could legitimately sustain a policy of “race first” except Afrikan peoples.

    Stinking Johnny muh boy is merely the lastest of the house niggers of which barbados is replete.

    Since 2000 the UN called Barbados a crypto racist society and up until now, 20 years later, not a single house nigger has said a word far less do something. OSA was PM then.

    Our interest is peaked to see how people like Comissiong and David Denny will respond to the Johnny Possul.


  28. Piqued


  29. Reductio ad absurdum
    Others have already pointed this out but it bears repeating.

    The keep Nelson crowd has “the grateful people of Barbados” paid for the statue with their own money as a plank in their argument. It is worthwhile to point out that “Liz Thompson paid for the flight to Barbados with her own money” is also given as justification for her COVID-19 flight to Barbados.

    But back to Nelson statue. It was erected in 1813 which as some of you may know occurred before 1833. A small point, but a point that many seem not to grasp. Slavery was still ongoing at that time.

    It is doubtful if a slave went into his Quaker donated purse and pulled out a few shekels to help build the statue. Would they be still adamant that the statue remain if we could find proof that a master sold a slave or two so as to contribute to the statue’s erection?

    How can they place value in the decision of a people who regarded their ancestors as less than human, and when when counted gave us a generous 3/8th of a person? Must I go on to point out the absurdity of claim “the people paid for it”? The people does not include us.

    Are they deliberately insulting us by telling us “we were not people then and we are not people now?”

    One BU scholar (not the B’dos scholar) in a moment of brilliance pointed out that the statue was not removed during the Barrow/Adam/XXX administration. I can see this scholar looking William Wilberforce in the eye and stating “Willie my boy, we have been doing this for over a hundred years, why change it now?”


  30. “Eventually, the architects of cultural upheavals always make two miscalculations.

    One, they presume that destroying things will never apply to themselves, given their loud virtue signaling.

    Two, if they are fingered by the mob, they assume they can somehow use their clout and influence to win exemption.

    What burns out these cultural upheavals is that today’s revolutionary can be denounced as tomorrow’s sell-out.

    In other words, once cultural revolutions turn anarchic and eat their own, they lose support. When quiet sympathizers conclude that they too may targeted, to survive they turn on their former icons.”

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/seattle-chop-radical-left-cultural-revolutions-die-victor-davis-hanson


  31. But back to Nelson statue. It was erected in 1813 which as some of you may know occurred before 1833. A small point, but a point that many seem not to grasp. Slavery was still ongoing at that time.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    A far larger point, Horatio or Nelson were names chosen by both slaves and free people for their sons …. daughters too!!

    Pick a surname and go on familysearch.org and add Horatio as the Christian name.

    Try the same in the slave registers for 1817 and you will see the same.

    I’ll give you some examples.

    So when the statement “hero of ALL the inhabitants of the island” appears on the plinth, it means just that!!

    How disrespectful of our ancestors can we get to claim they did not know their minds.


  32. Take the surname Thompson.

    There are 469 exact matches for Horatio Thompson beginning in 1798 and continuing right through to the 1900’s.

    Many were in America also England a couple right here in Barbados.

    If you look in the Register of slaves for the first name Horatio you will find in 1817 100 slaves with the name Horatio and you will find them all over the place.

    Horatio Nelson was a rock star unlike any other Rock Star.

    You will find people of all colours and from all countries and for almost two centuries with the name.

    To try and fight something as easily provable as this shows both ignorance and arrogance.

    A child could show up any adult dumb enough to pursue such a course.

    View Record Name Birth Date Residence Date Residence Place Owner View Images
    View Record
    Horatio Denton
    abt 1814 1817 Kingston, Jamaica Abraham Porurce Da Corta
    View Record
    Horatio
    abt 1783 1817 St Mary, Jamaica Hugh Montgomery
    View Record
    Horatio
    abt 1782 1820 Manchester, Jamaica Isaac Isaacs
    View Record
    Horatio
    abt 1811 1817 St Catherine, Jamaica Abraham Mendes
    View Record
    Horatio
    abt 1812 1817 St James, Jamaica Samuel Barrett
    View Record
    Horatio
    abt 1795 1817 St Ann, Jamaica Valentine Gray
    View Record
    Horatio
    abt 1797 1817 Barbados Michael Cavan
    View Record
    Horatio Gordon
    abt 1804 1820 St Andrew, Jamaica John Piner
    View Record
    Horatio Iles
    1822 Nevis
    View Record
    Horatio Cameron
    abt 1816 1817 St Mary, Jamaica Ann Quier
    View Record
    Horatio
    abt 1813 1817 Barbados Francis Skeete
    View Record
    Horatio Mcgowan
    abt 1799 1817 Port Royal, Jamaica James McGowan
    View Record
    Horatio
    abt 1812 1817 Barbados Henry A Holder
    View Record
    Horatio Nelson
    abt 1807 1817 St Christopher Margt Taylor
    View Record
    Horatio
    abt 1805 1817 Kingston, Jamaica Ann Moore
    View Record
    Horatio
    abt 1821 1823 St John, Jamaica Sarah McDonald
    View Record
    Horatio
    abt 1799 1817 St Ann, Jamaica Rachel Easson
    View Record
    Horatio
    abt 1805 1820 Manchester, Jamaica George Wilson Brydges
    View Record
    Horatio
    abt 1792 1817 Antigua William Petrie
    View Record
    Horatio Nelson
    abt 1805 1817 St Catherine, Jamaica William Vaughan
    View Record
    Horatio
    abt 1813 1820 St James, Jamaica Samuel Barrett
    View Record
    Horatio Nelson
    abt 1787 1817 Manchester, Jamaica Caleb Dickenson
    View Record
    Horatio
    abt 1781 1817 Elizabeth, Jamaica E F Coke
    View Record
    Horatio
    abt 1805 1817 Westmoreland, Jamaica John Dobson
    View Record
    Horatio
    abt 1795 1817 St Ann, Jamaica Valentine Gray
    View Record
    Horatio Nelson
    abt 1798 1817 Kingston, Jamaica John Johnston
    View Record
    Horatio Cameron
    abt 1816 1817 St Mary, Jamaica Ann Quier
    View Record
    Horatio Nelson
    abt 1790 1817 St George, Jamaica Alexander Aikman
    View Record
    Horatio
    abt 1789 1817 St Thomas in the Vale, Jamaica John Roe
    View Record
    Horatio
    abt 1808 1817 Barbados Benja Agard
    View Record
    Horatio
    abt 1791 1817 St Vincent James Lacroix
    View Record
    Horatio
    abt 1792 1817 St Andrew, Jamaica Ithamar Bathurst Cleland
    View Record
    Horatio Nelson
    abt 1769 1817 Hanover, Jamaica Neill Malcolm
    View Record
    Horatio Nelson
    abt 1799 1817 Nevis Elizabeth Hanley
    View Record
    Horatio
    abt 1808 1817 St Andrew, Dominica Catherine Hughes
    View Record
    Horatio Nelson
    abt 1798 1820 St Andrew, Jamaica Thomas Parke
    View Record
    Horatio
    abt 1758 1817 Westmoreland, Jamaica Matthew Gregory Lewis
    View Record
    Horatio
    abt 1815 1817 St George, Jamaica Swain Lungren
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    Horatio
    abt 1787 1817 St Christopher Mary Ann Fitzgerald
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    Horatio
    abt 1795 1817 Westmoreland, Jamaica James Ferquson
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    Horatio Nelson
    abt 1808 1823 St John, Jamaica Huxley Sandon
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    Horatio Don
    1817 St Andrew, Jamaica
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    Horatio Grant
    1817 Clarendon, Jamaica
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    Horatio Wood
    abt 1818 1820 Manchester, Jamaica Robert Wood
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    Horatio
    abt 1799 1817 St Ann, Jamaica Rachel Easson
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    Horatio Foster
    abt 1816 1817 Westmoreland, Jamaica Mary Anna Campbell
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    Horatio
    abt 1799 1817 Barbados Benony Leach
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    Horatio Nelson
    abt 1808 1823 St John, Jamaica Huxley Sandon
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    Horatio
    abt 1812 1817 St Vincent William Snagg
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    Horatio
    abt 1802 1817 St David, Jamaica Thomas Farrar Lancaster
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    Horatio
    abt 1795 1817 Barbados Lewis Young
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    Horatio Neelson
    abt 1795 1817 Trelawney, Jamaica Catherine Franklyn
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    Horatio
    abt 1821 1823 St John, Jamaica Sarah McDonald
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    Horatio
    abt 1795 1817 Westmoreland, Jamaica James Ferquson
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    Horatio Nelson
    abt 1805 1817 St Catherine, Jamaica John Mitchell
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    Horatio
    abt 1745 1817 St James, Jamaica William Vaughan
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    Horatio Smalling
    abt 1763 1817 St James, Jamaica Edward Atherton
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    Horatio
    abt 1762 1817 Antigua Anna Maria McCraith
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    Horatio Nelson
    abt 1769 1817 Hanover, Jamaica Neill Malcolm
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    Horatio Bruce
    abt 1807 1820 St Andrew, Jamaica John Piner
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    Horatio Nelson
    abt 1798 1817-1818 Antigua Margaret Greenway
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    Horatio
    abt 1808 1817 St James, Jamaica William Vaughan
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    Horatio Nelson
    abt 1810 1817 St Christopher John Lister
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    Horatio Nelson
    abt 1787 1817 St Andrew, Jamaica Benjamin Marriott Perkins
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    Horatio
    abt 1792 1817 Port Royal, Jamaica Sarah Crosbe
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    Horatio
    abt 1796 1817 Antigua George W Ottley
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    Horatio
    abt 1811 1817 Barbados Elizabeth Bend
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    Horatio
    abt 1819 1820 St Andrew, Jamaica George Stephenson
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    Horatio Nelson
    abt 1805 1817 St John, Jamaica Huxley Sandow
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    Horatio Smalling
    abt 1763 1817 St James, Jamaica Edward Atherton
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    Horatio
    abt 1814 1817 Barbados Francis Williams
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    Horatio
    abt 1785 1817 St James, Jamaica Samuel Wisdom Barrett
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    Horatio Nelson
    abt 1759 1817 St James, Jamaica Rays Barrett Waike
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    Horatio Foster
    abt 1816 1817 Westmoreland, Jamaica Margarett Malcolm Campbell
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    Horatio
    abt 1758 1817 Westmoreland, Jamaica Matthew Gregory Lewis
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    Horatio
    abt 1809 1817 Trelawney, Jamaica Ann Rose Green
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    Horatio
    abt 1806 1817 St Andrew, Jamaica Patrick Grant
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    Horatio
    abt 1811 1817 St Catherine, Jamaica Abraham Mendes
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    Horatio
    abt 1789 1817 St Ann, Jamaica Henry Gray
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    Horatio
    abt 1789 1817 St Thomas in the Vale, Jamaica John Roe
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    Horatio
    abt 1816 1817 St Ann, Jamaica Sidney Miller
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    Horatio
    abt 1799 1817 St Christopher John Tyson
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    Horatio Nelson
    abt 1789 1817 Westmoreland, Jamaica Jas Bogle Delap
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    Horatio
    abt 1789 1817 St Ann, Jamaica Henry Gray
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    Horatio
    abt 1811 1817 Barbados John Taylor
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    Horatio Nelson
    abt 1789 1817 Westmoreland, Jamaica Jas Bogle Delap
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    Horatio
    abt 1812 1817 St Ann, Jamaica Catherine Wordie
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    Horatio
    abt 1782 1817 Manchester, Jamaica George Robt Johnson
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    Horatio Nelson
    abt 1759 1817 St James, Jamaica Rays Barrett Waike
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    Horatio Corinaldi
    1817 St James, Jamaica
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    Horatio
    abt 1785 1817 Port Royal, Jamaica Colin MacLarty
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    Horatio N Huggins
    1817 St Vincent
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    Horatio
    abt 1812 1817 St Ann, Jamaica Catherine Wordie
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    Horatio
    abt 1783 1817 St Mary, Jamaica Hugh Montgomery
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    Horatio
    abt 1816 1817 St Ann, Jamaica Sidney Miller
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    Horatio Nelson
    abt 1805 1817 St John, Jamaica Huxley Sandow
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    Horatio Nelson Hedley
    abt 1810 1817 St James, Jamaica William Hedley
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    Horatio
    abt 1805 1817 Westmoreland, Jamaica John Dobson
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    Frederick Horatio Saa
    abt 1816 1817 St Catherine, Jamaica Rebecca Vaz
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    Frederick Horatio Saa
    abt 1816 1817 St Catherine, Jamaica Rebecca Vaz


  33. @ whiteHill June 19, 2020 1:37 PM
    “Take it easy, in due course we will realized that a few more men holds the interest of Maboy other than Nelson, albeit they are just as stiff and hard as the dead Admiral.”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    LOL!! Very few here on BU would appreciate the deeply hidden meaning in that Dodds statement of dodgy doggie intent.

    Maybe the ‘rear’ Admiral Johnny the local King of the Bajan West coast cultural penetration would not be so much lost at sea when he finds himself in the same cabin class as the ‘Vice’-Admiral Nelson.

    Instead of Horatio saying ‘Kiss me, Hardy’ the local johnny for a rented boy might find the greatest satisfaction in sucking the admiral’s monkey while tapping his cask and wishing for a stiff’s plantain instead of a Bajan plantation to produce rum for Mount ‘Gay’.


  34. @John

    As usual your only goal is to obsfucate when Black people, in a majority Black country trying to discuss race issues as the world is at the moment. This is not a Barbados only conversation. To bring home the point for you, having Lord Nelson located in HEROES SQUARE is an insult to all Black people living in Barbados in this enlightened period of our existence.

  35. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @Vincent,
    I must confess that I am enjoying your discomfort about moving the Nelson monument rather too much. Your dire prognostications over the fate that will befall us as a Nation if we dare to relocate half a ton of bronze are delightfully entertaining.

    “… some of us like ” to cut off our noses in order to spite or features”.”
    “… some commenters are agent provocateurs who are hell bent on destroying what progress we have made since WW 2…”
    “Those who carry the Light are committed to ensure that Light is not extinguished by short term thinkers.”

    Annalee Davis is just one of what is going to become a chorus of White voices in Barbados calling for moving the Nelson monument. I hope you have steeled yourself against this discomfort. The majority of the younger White people of my acquaintance, particularly many of those from the plantocracy and other echelons of the oligarchy, are increasingly vocal in calling for the removal of the embarrassment of having the Nelson monument in Heroes’ Square. Soon their parents and aunties and uncles will join the chorus. Will they then have morphed into “agent provocateurs”?

    Mind you, some of the young ones may already be agent provocateurs… there is one young White woman who is a firebrand that makes me look very conservative, and she is a secondary school teacher loved by her students and doing a great job shaping young minds. Another young White radical is a professor in the UWI medical programme. I have great expectations of the younger generation of Bajans, Black, White, Brown, Yellow, and Red.


  36. Successive Barbados Gov’ts are so proud of the islands moniker as Little England that they have the statue of an English Admiral at the top of its main thoroughfare or successive Barbados Gov’ts are so terrified of upsetting some of its political benefactors that they are unable to remove the statue of a long dead British Admiral from the top of its main street.

    As to the Minister it was not so long ago that he mused that Bajans were moaning about job losses when there were more important issues to talk about, now his latest utterance “[However] there are other issues right here I don’t hear people talking about, issues some people don’t want to protest”. The Minister wants to determine what issues are important and what issues Bajans should rail about.

    I believe calypsonian John King would be charting songs favouring the removal of Nelson but Minister John King “In fair round belly with good capon lin’d” plays his part to the powers that be.


  37. 1/2
    Do you think that a slave of his own free will name his child Horatio?
    .Horatio Nelson Hedley
    abt 1810 1817 St James, Jamaica William Hedley

    Your list also contains duplicates. Revise your nonsense and return.


  38. @ David,

    You are truly a champion of free speech.

    Your tolerance knows no bounds.


  39. @Hants

    Others will disagree of course.


  40. PLT
    You are not saying anything new. For there were always some white radicals in batbados. First amongst equals would be T.T Lewis.
    The overarching point though is that despite their presence the centre always held. And it is there where their presence brought no radical transformation in our soceity.

  41. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ PLT
    Vincent Codrington is suffering no discomfort what so ever. Is discussion now also a blood sport?. You people are jokers.

  42. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    “Soon their parents and aunties and uncles will join the chorus. Will they then have morphed into “agent provocateurs”?”

    nah…then the little colored and black face slaves will fall in line, they are just waiting for an image of a massa to tell them it’s ok to remove the cursed piece of stone….we have been there before .

    ..same with the Johnnie protesting it’s removal now, as soon as an image of a massa even if it’s 80% tells him the statue should be removed, he will sing a different tune…the disgusting, shameless slaveminded of Barbados, they are legendary, very well known…from the parliament to the streets…

  43. Critical Analyzer Avatar
    Critical Analyzer

    Let the people that want the statue move or taken down or whatever bring forward the money.

    The same way the white people of yesteryear paid to have it put up. The people that want it move or destroyed should do the same and bring forward the money to have it done.

    But not one red cent of money from our government. That is my tax money in there and it does get waste enough already.

    @Tee White, WURA-War-on-U, John and who else I missed that want it down.
    How much are you putting into the Fund. Critical Analyzer will not be contributing one red cent but I would gladly manage it for a modest fee to make sure no hanky panky goes on.

  44. William Skinner Avatar
    William Skinner

    @ Pacha
    I hope you now understand when I say that if I was never exposed to certain progressive Comrades, I would not write a single word on anything. I write in their memory. Just imagine the defenders of this atrocity called Nelson are the fathers, uncles and grandfathers of our children. What do they tell their children about our history ? No wonder Maloney running the place along with COW , Bizzy and the whole lot. They have their defenders amongst us.Peace.


  45. Sir William

    Um bad in trute, still. Lest we forget, there are vastly more house niggers like john king than your progressives.

  46. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @Vincent Codrington June 19, 2020 4:48 PM
    “Vincent Codrington is suffering no discomfort what so ever.”
    +++++++++++++++++++
    Excellent! So I can enjoy laughing at your delightfully comic prognostications with no twinge of guilt whatsoever.

    The Nelson monument will be moved. If the government is smart enough they will do it safely and without damaging the artifact.

    If not, others might take matters into their own hands… I do not wish this to be the case because there is a danger that someone would get hurt if they used 70 ft of chain looped around the neck of Nelson’s statue and got a crowd of people to pull in an easterly direction with a force of about 600 pounds. That would definitely be dangerous and someone might get hurt.

  47. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    “Everybody could legitimately sustain a policy of “race first” except Afrikan peoples.”

    it takes a lot to actually make me say i feel embarrased by all of them…they know they are WELL HATED by those who rob them generationally …they know THEIR MONEY and generations of their children’s money have been funding this WRETCHED racist Barbados slave society to enrich a few even more wretched descendants of rejects from UK…and the thieves of parliament but none of that fazes them, they are still talking shite about a concept that is nonexist and still act as though they have to literally kiss these parasites asses …as though it’s a requirement for them to survive…

    as for those black face sell outs and trash in the parliament…the people are well aware that they cannot re-elect them since Mia believes that lying to and deceiving her own people just to be elected so she can sell them out to repulsive minorities is somehow brilliant and of course am sure they are busy scouring for more lies to tell them as we type…it’s the height of ugly and they are talked about everywhere….

    they have less then 8 thousand bajan ‘whites’ on the island…the thieves number less than 500…but the jackassses in the parliament have helped them steal so many billions of dollars that they can’t dismantle the racism, the slave society nor the apartheid, the three sides, can’t forget the Syrian Cartel, have way too much dirt on each other, so they have to continue robbing the island until there is nothing left, like what is happening now….and only then will something happen…i want to see all of them dragged off the island in handcuffs…goddamn blights….and take their colonial, slaveminded shitehounds with them…

  48. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    “@Tee White, WURA-War-on-U, John and who else I missed that want it down.
    How much are you putting into the Fund. Critical Analyzer will not be contributing one red cent but I would gladly manage it for a modest fee to make sure no hanky panky goes on..”

    with all the BILLIONS OF DOLLARS all of them stole from the people for decades and offshored/laundered it from Florida to Turks and Caicos to BVI to SWITZERLAND…and all of them boasting about being millionaires…they should have no problem funding nelson’s removal.

    ..wuh i am quite sure i posted some of their money laundering activities on here for the past 6 months…cause since then am told that was not even a blip in all the money laundering that has occured between them the tiefing minorities and the Syrian Cartel ..what i posted even ended up on FB.

    …they don’t need a dime from me, am not in the millionaire’s club, not part of the tiefing hoi poloi…ya can ask them to let ya manage the laundered billions for them…after they let you manage the money for removal….ya should be able to generate a tidy little sum, but watch for the handcuffs.


  49. John,

    Slaves were allocated ‘christian’ names by owners

    they could have told everyone your name is son of Horatio Nelson or Horatio Nelsonson

    when you use your mind to interpret history you are often well wrong son


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