Submitted by Bentley
If you do not tick any of the sicknesses in the table your chances of having a negative outcome to contracting Covid 19 maybe virtually zero.
I challenge anyone in or outside the medical community to identify a single individual who has died from Covid-19 that did not fall into one or more of these categories.
Also, age in and of itself is not a risk factor. It’s just that older people are more likely to have conditions that put them at risk. Otherwise centenarians would not be recovering.
It is the duty of everyone to adopt lifestyle habits that ensure they do not develop these conditions and put themselves at risk.
Old people are not dying from Covid-19 because they are old but because they are frail and sick.
| Risk Factors for having negative outcome from COVID 19 |
| Obesity |
| Diabetes and pre-diabetes |
| Hypertension |
| Heart disease |
| Asthma |
| Emphysema |
| COPD |
| Sleep apnea |
| Other respiratory conditions |
| Poor diet |
| Lack of exercise |
| Inadequate sleep |
| Chronic stress levels |
| Inadequate immune system function caused by cancer treatment or some other cause |
| Smoking |
| Excessive drinking |
| Sarcopenia |
What is the purpose of this post? The factors have been publicized that can result in death.
Can anyone be sure their ancestors didn’t quietly pass on a predisposition for you to suddenly develop some of these? My vulnerability came on suddenly without notice . . . . and though it might not kill you, the virus will probably break you up permanently. Everyone is at risk and potentially risking others’ health.
Does the Barbadian experience support the implied hypothesis?
@Bentley “Old people are not dying from Covid-19 because they are old but because they are frail and sick.”
Really?
People do die of old. Billions and billions of people have died of old.
People die of covid + old.
If this is not the case i challenge you to find me a single living person who was born before January 1, 1903.
“Some children in the United Kingdom with no underlying health conditions have died from a rare inflammatory syndrome which researchers believe to be linked to COVID-19, Health Secretary Matt Hancock said on Tuesday.
Italian and British medical experts are investigating a possible link between the coronavirus pandemic and clusters of severe inflammatory disease among infants who are arriving in hospital with high fevers and swollen arteries.”
Source: National Post April 28, 2020,9:26 AM EDT
@Silly Woman
Is there anything wrong with highlighting the most common health issues associated with COVID 19 patients?
@ David Bu at 11: 57 PM
Yes there is. It suggests that old age is the causative factor. SW is correct in pointing out the real factor the inflammation of the lungs, even among the very young. Age is therefore not the deciding factor.
No surprise how the virus started, they had said security was a problem from the beginning….the infection count seems to be slowly rising in Barbados.
https://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/245356/pompeo-evidence-virus-lab-china
“Washington – Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said on Sunday there was “a significant amount of evidence” that the new coronavirus emerged from a Chinese laboratory, but did not dispute United States intelligence agencies’ conclusion that it was not man-made.
“There is a significant amount of evidence that this came from that laboratory in Wuhan,” Pompeo told ABC’s “This Week”, referring to the virus that emerged late last year in China and has killed about 240 000 people around the world, including more than 67 000 in the United States.”
get a sea bath
Pompeo is an idiot. If he has evidence then publish it. He wants to pick a fight with China as part of US desperation and to provide Trump with an excuse for his presidential defeat.
@ Hants at 10:46 AM
Is Bajan seawater antiviral? COVID is aerosol and not water borne?. Time to sell Bajan sea water as a remedy.
@ Vincent,
To be clear. I am recommending a sea bath because it is what I would do if I was living in Barbados.
A sea bath is hust a nice thing to do.
For those who need more information on antivirals or covid 19 characteristics direct your queries to DR. GEORGIE PORGIE
and or Robert Lucas PhD.
They have found remnants of the virus in waste water that is already treated, don’t know if they have done any testing on sea water to say yea or nay..i guess we will find out eventually.
@ Hants
@ Waru
It just struck me as strange that we are protecting ourselves against the air borne droplets but inhaling and swallowing the seawater from asymptomatic fellow sea bathers.
@ Hal May 4, 2020 10:50 AM
Agreed Pompeo is a warmonger. He wanted to start further fighting and the general commanding US forces went over his head and Trump stopped the move. Trump will get rid of him like he did with Bolton. As Trump has stated his biggest mistake was in the selection of personnel But the claims that the origins of the virus was Wuhan cannot be disputed. You anti-Trump stance is showing. Trump 2020.
@ Robert
I am neither anti-Trump nor have any interest in US Congressional politics. What I find interesting is the US burning desire to start a fight with China for one reason, and one reason only: China is now the world most powerful economy, based on purchasing power parity, and will be by 2030 on all metrics.
Unlike the Europeans (Spain, Portugal, France, Holland, Britain, etc), the US is not temperamentally prepared to be second best. It will rather start a war.
The nonsense about Huawei is just part of the multi-prong attack; CoVid is another, so is the allegation of stealing AI and on and on. How many pandemics have we had since 1918, the so-called Spanish Flue, which, ironically, started in the US? Why is this one so special?
Another irony is that the US and its puppets are now demanding reparations from China, but black people have been calling for reparations for slavery to no avail. Only UWI, and Hilary Beckles, seem to squeeze the University of Glasgow.
Also look at the composition of the so-called five eyes, the spy net work – UK, US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Anything jumps out at you? We are shaping up for a third world war.
China, officially the second biggest economy in the world, is still officially considered a developing nation. New Zealand, with a population slightly bigger than Jamaica’s, is considered developed. Anything odd about that? Taiwan is also developing; South Korea is also officially developing.
All empires have had to come to an end; the problem is that the US just cannot take it. By the way, as far as black people are concerned, they are all the same.
“It just struck me as strange that we are protecting ourselves against the air borne droplets but inhaling and swallowing the seawater from asymptomatic fellow sea bathers.”
just make sure you are not one…lol
You have not responded to the fact that the virus started in Wuhan and that the Chinese fired /jailed their scientist who spoke out: that the Chinese government refused to donate samples of the virus from the Wuhan outbreak. This is an outrage from a scientific aspect. Countries may have differences, but scientists always share data to further the advancement of scientific knowledge. The data were needed to aid in the development of vaccines against the virus. You have seemingly forgotten the fact that in December 2019 and early January 2020 the Chinese knowing the dire nature of the virus bought up PPE and masks from foreign countries. This a documented fact, thereby creating a shortage of them which is a de facto act of war. Reparations are just talk. Pandemics 1957 and 1967. The Asian flu and the Hong Kong flu. All empires come to an end but the American one is not at an end yet. If it comes to war and it will the Americans will win.
@RL
If it comes to war and it will the Americans will win.
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You got that wrong:
We will all lose
A war in today’s world no winners. It is not like days of old with infantry with B52 giving cover.
@ Robert
The virus came out of Wuhan, that much is accepted. But now is not the time for the blame game. We want a cure now and after that we can carry out a post mortem. The WHO has been full of praise for the Chinese authorities.
As to war, the US has a population of 350m, its key allies number about the same. China has a population of 1.4bn and the Chinese invisible empire is about 300m.
A third world war will not let anyone hide, not even little islands in the Caribbean.
Trump and Modi are good buddies and India and China have their issues too!!
The only war Trump is into is a Trade War!!
And America will win easily!!
China relies on the US market!!
The economies of China and the US are interdependent and Trump knows it, there will be no winners in an economic war.
There is a reason China has enjoyed favored trade status with the capitalist US which is anathema to China the communist state.
The US depends on China’s $3trn in treasuries.
The point of the list of co-morbidities for those afflicted is that it is more likely to die with COVID-19 than from it!!
Most men will die with prostate cancer, not from it even though prostate cancer is a killer.
Never looked at breast cancer but suspect it may be the same.
A woman with heart disease or asthma or whatever and breast cancer will most probably not die from breast cancer.
@ Hal May 4, 2020 2:10 PM
“The WHO has been full of praise for the Chinese authorities.”
I made my position vis-a-vis WHO quite clear in my posting on BU of 4th. February 2020. I stated then that it was (still is) an incompetent organization which has been politicized to the nth. degree. It is a feather bed of sinecures for the political connected scientists. I also stated that the best scientists do not work for WHO but are found in research institutions. It is the latter who will come up with the vaccines. Remember the way the WHO dealt with Ebola in West Africa and the cholera outbreak in Haiti by the UN,of which the WHO is a subsidiary?
David
May 4, 2020 2:23 PM
The economies of China and the US are interdependent and Trump knows it, there will be no winners in an economic war.
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How long do you think Trump will tolerate antibiotics etc etc being manufactured in China and having America dependent?
That is going to change real fast and all that needs to be done is for the manufacturing technology that was transferred to China to be repatriated and its output preferred over the output from China!!
Easy!!
The American economy is going to boom big time and China has provided the reason!!
@ Hal May 4, 2020 2:10 PM
“The WHO has been full of praise for the Chinese authorities.”
Do some reading on the above and you will have some reflections on the topic .
@ Robert
I know you are critical of the WHO and its support from China. But once Trump got stroppy and took away his $300m from WHO, all he did was to drive it in to the arms of the Chinese. It is all political, thus the over-the-top praise for our president.
@ John
Why do some white Bajans regret that the world has moved on? Wake up and smell the coffee. US demographics are changing. Coffee-coloured Hispanics will be the majority within a couple decades.
“@ John
Why do some white Bajans regret that the world has moved on?”
UKs rejects…lol
@ Hal May 4, 2020 3:04 PM
Not about the association with China, but about its attitude towards third-world countries and black countries in particular.
@Hants May 4, 2020 10:46 AM “Get a sea bath”
Nope.
I int goin’ nowhere.
My dad, may he rest in peace, sometime in the early 21st century was invited by a pretty, young lady whose regular home was hour’s drive from the sea to attend the beach/sea with her.
His response, “No girl I haven’t gone to the sea since 1934, and I int going now.”
For most of his life he lived about 10 minutes walk from the sea, and worked even closer than that to the sea.
I haven’t gone to the sea in two or three years. It is unlikely that i will go this year.
@Hal Austin May 4, 2020 10:50 AM “Pompeo is an idiot. If he has evidence then publish it.”
You missed the “sensative but unclassified” cable published in the Washington Post a few weeks ago?
@John May 4, 2020 2:41 PM “…all that needs to be done is for the manufacturing technology that was transferred to China to be repatriated…”
It int going to happen.
The thing is John, that most of that technology was transferred to China in the heads of Chinese people, millions and millions of whom have studied, often to the post doctoral level at some of the best universities in the United States.
As our old people knew “once de learning in ya head, nobody can’t take it out”
https://www.statista.com/statistics/372900/number-of-chinese-students-that-study-in-the-us/
Number of college and university students from China in the United States from academic year 2008/09 to 2018/19
2018/19 369,548
2017/18 363,341
2016/17 350,755
2015/16 328,547
Silly Woman
May 4, 2020 11:19 PM
…… millions and millions of whom have studied, often to the post doctoral level at some of the best universities in the United States
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So they have published.
Patents have been taken out describing their work.
All in black and white!!
No sweat to copy and also improve!!
… but even so, before the technology went off shore the products were being manufactured on shore.
An example of a manufacturing illiterate!!
America needed respirators, or so Cuomo claimed, Trump said “make it so”!!
Manufacturing industries simply retooled and made it so!!
Now the US supplies the world demand, or whatever is left of it!!
A few weeks was all it took!!
https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/05/tesla-shows-how-its-building-ventilators-with-car-parts/
America has 383 Nobel Laureates.
China has 6!!
It’s called Yankee ingenuity!!
Really it is just that the world’s best naturally gravitate to America.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/top-30-countries-with-nobel-prize-winners.html
So why would people turn to automobile manufacturers to build respirators for humans?
Can anyone guess?
China is in trouble.
That video was from 2016, before Trump became President!!
Discuss for 5 marks – What influence Chinese have by owning the four largest banks in the world.
@ Silly Woman May 4, 2020 11:19 PM
How did you arrive at : “The thing is John, that most of that technology was transferred to China in the heads of Chinese people, millions and millions of whom have studied, often to the post doctoral level at some of the best universities in the United States.” ?
The Chinese invented paper, gunpowder, the fore-runner of of the drill use to drill for oil and some others like the fire works rocket. They haven’t invented much in the last five-hundred years. Ninety nine percent of all the inventions the run the modern world were done by white people. The Chinese, were it not for the greed of people like Peter Walker of the firm Mackenzie in the USA, would not be the manufacturing hub of the world, producing a lot of substandard goods ( check shoes, clothes pins and transistor radios just to name a few).They have or are about to launch a stealth bomber, which looks very much like the American one, Similarly they seemed to have stolen the American blue print for the F-35 fighter. The point that John was making is that the people who invented the technologies can readily re-create it. In the second world war car manufacturers in the US were employed in making guns, planes and so on. Even their space effort has been based on Russian rocket technology. The landing on the backside of the moon was done with the aid of NASA ( as I have said, scientists collaborate despite the political differences of their individual countries).
@ Silly Woman May 4, 2020 11:51 PM
“So they have published.
Patents have been taken out describing their work.
All in black and white!!
No sweat to copy and also improve!!
Let me explain something about science for you. There are lots of scientific publications each year. The Science Citation Index is used to classify scientific publications on the terms of importance and on the number of researchers who cite the appropriate paper in their review of the literature in their own publications. The Chinese produce millions of science papers yearly most of which have been found to be sub-standard and the majority of which are not cited by foreign researchers. Similarly one can come up with a variation of an already published patent and get rights. The usefulness of a patent is dependent on what the market appraises its value at. A lot of patents sit in the patent office unused for the simple reason that, there are few financial incentives to use them. Finally, in science it is the quality not quantity of published papers that matter, unlike other disciplines. For example the paper by Watson and Crick that elucidated nature of DNA was only about a page and a half long. It resulted in the Nobel prize. Quality matters in science not quantity. The Chinese have not reached that level yet. Even with the Wuhan lab, they had to get foreign expertise to build it.
I would suggest that you stop gloating and being flippant in you quest for a Chinese dominated world. The pasture always look greener from outside.
@ Silly Woman May 4, 2020 11:51 PM
The American have realized that by training Chinese scientists, that they are under minding their own security. Plans are afoot to curtail the process. The biggest hurdle are the globalists .
@ Quaker John
The US has 383 Nobel Laureates..??? Right, typical @John logic. How many of those have been US born? More important, what does a Nobel mean, apart from nearly $1m in cash?
That is why scientists and economists from other nations are protesting about how the awards are made. The US is picking a fight with China because of the increasing rise of Chinese technology. Look at Huawei.
Again, black people do not have a horse in this race. Chinese, American, Arabic or European it all means the same to us.
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@ Hal May 5, 2020 3:52 AM
“That is why scientists and economists from other nations are protesting about how the awards are made. The US is picking a fight with China because of the increasing rise of Chinese technology. Look at Huawei.”
As a scientist let me be the first to admit that a lot of the science done in other countries is not first rate. This is a fact. All the talk about setting up alternatives is simply envy. Science has no place for sentiment( this is not economics or sociology with their slack standards) : it is rigorous and exacting in its standards. There is no room for sloppy work. The work must meet international standards and be capable of being replicated The Science Citation Index as I explained above measured the quality of scientific research, you might not want to accept that this is so. But it is. As for 5G the Americans invented the stuff and the first city in the world to be fully 5G is situated in the US. The Chinese have yet to come up with original research since the invention of paper and gunpowder. The Chinese steal others research work( all countries do so at some point but China does so to an excess). A couple of years ago, a Chinese national was caught red-handed stealing improved agricultural crops in the US. He aroused suspicion when he was observed to park his car and enter a field of plants which were being studied. He was not apprehended but allowed to continue his nefarious activities. He traveled across country repeating his theft of improved crops. When he attempted to board a flight to China he was arrested and found to have seeds from hundreds of crops. It turned out that he was stealing the Intellectual property of the US at the behest of a general in the Chinese military. He got about seven years in jail. All of the major topics being studied today were originally thought up by Whites( Russians, Germans British, French, Danish, Austrians, Italians, Hungarians, Serbians). The Chinese have yet to elucidate a theory or hypothesis that have scientists worldwide following it. Until they do so, they are playing catch up.
@ Robert
You are no doubt a good scientist, but you clearly do not understand the politics of science. We have had this debate before. The US talks about China s tealing its technology and AI, but the US has been built on such theft.
Le t us attar on the Manhattan Project, built on German know-how by scientists who escaped from Germany in the years before and after the second world war; or at the current trend: look at Silicon Valley, not at the talking heads like Gates, Bezos and Steve Jobs and others, but at the drivers in the engine room – many of them Indians and others from the Middle East and Europe. You are buying in to the PR of American genius.
Or look at the top science universities: MIT, Cal Tech, Stanford, et al; 70 per cent of Indian university STEM graduates want to study in the US, many get opportunities to do so and of the best they are seduced with offers of high salaries, improved lifestyles, etc. Morally the same as the Chinese.
Who sets so-called international standards? Let us look at your discipline of science and in particular medicines. We in Barbados had a long history of alternative medicines (so have many other nations and cultures) but to impose European science on us, our science was outlawed, trivialised, made fun of; it was called obeah and voodoo, yet, as you know, the big pharmaceutical firms spend billions of dollars researching our cures for some illnesses – and more often than not, find that they work.
You may not remember, but in the early 1970s in Britain, it was found that the common paw-paw had enormous medicinal properties (I am sure yo know more about this than I do; but I remember reporting about it with pride), a claim made by top UK scientists.
Look at the way that US universities also tempt Chinese undergraduate and post-graduate students and other bright students away from their native lands. Bribery is bribery, whether it is a nice home and car and a job title; or if it is a small sum of money in a bank account..
The US is not doing it out of the kindness of its heart; it is doing so to have a pick of the brightest and best which is later translated in to business. It is the new capitalism. It is not only technology. Do you honestly think Americans (and men) are the best, most original economists in the world? Now look at who gets the Nobel Prize? Thomas Piketty has not yet won the Nobel Prize, why?
@Robert you fall for PR nonsense; it is also called the brain drain. When a Brit (or foreigner) working at a US university wins a top award it goes down as another US win.
Ask yourself, how many Barbados Scholars return to Barbados to work after graduation? Nobody envies the US; what people want is fair play.
Look at the way the US treated Brazil’s alternative to its internet giants; the US does not tolerate rivals. You may buy in to its bogus PR of superiority, but some of us are more objective. Have a look at Hollywood, Bollywood and Nollywood.
Finally, you talk about spying, not knowledge. There is a difference. How many US Jews have been caught spying for Israel? And how many people of Eastern European heritage have been caught spying for the old Soviet Union? What is the point you are making?
Don’t let me stop you from loving white inventions. Just have a look at the low number of black PhD students in US and European universities (Not in Africa or UWI) in the natural sciences, social sciences and economics? And how many go on to be academics, far less full professors? Why do you think this is?
I will mention something about my trade. If you go to most journalism courses in England black people will be over-represented, then follow the pipeline right through to traineeships, jobs, promotion, to editors, then tell me what you find. Or, just look at the state-controlled, taxpayer-funded BBC and tell me what you find.
Then ask any ordinary black person in the streets of London what they think. I am sure you are smart enough to work these things out. Do you think the lack of opportunity is basked on skills and competence only?
All I suggest is that you do a bit more reading on the history of inventions, academic achievements and on common and garden racism.
All of the major topics being studied today were originally thought up by Whites( Russians, Germans British, French, Danish, Austrians, Italians, Hungarians, Serbians). The Chinese have yet to elucidate a theory or hypothesis that have scientists worldwide following it. Until they do so, they are playing catch up.
Why doesn’t this joker stick to enjoying the many local rums and reporting on his daily rambles across Bridgetown? He continues to embarrass himself.
John
May 5, 2020 12:49 AM
So why would people turn to automobile manufacturers to build respirators for humans?
Can anyone guess?
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Engines “breathe”.
A precisely regulated flow of the compressible fluid known as air which contains oxygen is fed to cylinders, lungs if you like!!
There, the air is combined with precisely regulated flows of fuel in a reaction which converts the chemical energy the two contain into mechanical energy.
The waste products are then expelled for the process to be repeated.
The control algorithms and actuators for those flows and reactions are the province of the automobile manufacturers.
@ Hal Austin at 6:59 AM
Simply brilliant. We would like to have more interventions of this quality.
@ DullardMay 5, 2020 7:46 AM
I was not going to reply but I changed my mind and The following is my position I do not hide behind an alias to say what i have to say.
Let me repeat what I have said about You. You are a pompous ass who thought that he was the brightest spark on the block only to dis cover that it was not so. You find that I have a condensing air and that riles you. I can afford to adopt that air where you are concerned because all you can do is to offer negativity. . You display gross ignorance of the hard sciences . You try to equate age with a lack of knowledge. You get on as though I am the only one who drinks. Thank God I do not have to beg you for money to buy a drink. What a total ass you are. I made points as a scientist, whether or not you care to believe so, you cannot remove my credentials. You also want to know why I am in the doldrums: let me repeat most persons locally who are high flyer are if an in depth analysis were done are ass licker. maybe you are also an ass licker judging by the claims you have made.
@ Hal May 5, 2020 6:59 AM
You have not really address the points made. Of course the US entice foreign students in the sciences. Ask yourself why the foreign students are willing to be enticed. No one forces them to be enticed. You talk about British scientist going over to America and winning Nobel prizes and being classed as Americans. There was a Russian scientist who did research work carbon nanoparticles who won a Nobel prize and he is called British by the British. i have said that most of the inventions over the last five-hundred years have been made by whites. That is a fact. The blacks have not done so, the Indians or the Chinese also.. You can talk all you want ,but a fact is a fact. You about the brain drain. Reflect on the problem. What causes the brain apart from better salaries? Do you think the actions of their home countries have any influence on the brain drain? I am aware of the discrimination non-whites face. But facts are facts no matter how unpalatable the case might be. You go off talking about Hollywood. Sometime ago I directed a question to you when you talking about the need for more blacks to be on British TV. The question was what the percentage of blacks in the UK’s population. You never replied to that question. I did not expect that you would have. You clearly saw the import of the question.
@ Vincent Carrington May 5, 2020 9:21 AM
What quality are you talking about? The gist of my post was not address. What one got is polemics about whites and their advantage taking of other folks. Facts are facts whether palatable or not.
@ robert lucas at 11:06 AM
Are “facts” really “facts”? Are they not coloured by our personal biases , perspectives and dominant narratives. They do not simply become facts because we assert that they are? Take Hals advice and review the history of what you call “hard science”. Take note of how facts believe yo be facts have changed with subsequent discoveries and theories that explained the previously unexplained.
@ Robert
I am not sure which point I have not addressed. Let us go again: over the last 500 years, since the 16th century, whites (or more precisely, Europeans|) have had more inventions registered in their names. But Europeans have only been dominantly economically since the industrial revolution.
For 800 of the last 1000 years the Chinese and Indians have had the leading global economies. Plse explain how a nation can have a dominant economy if its scientists and inventions are second rate?
If you are talking about registered patents, yes. We can all tell stories of people who did things and did not get the recognition. I remember in the 1970s, a Trinidadian woman, who invented electrical hair curlers and had the patent stolen from her by one of the big name companies. She spent years going through the courts fighting to regain her rights and died a broken-hearted woman.
I have also raised the issue of Richard Branson and Virgin Records and the fight with the Trinidadian/Grenadian London-based Clarke brothers. Had they won their battle the Virgin we now know would have been history; it was the commercial success of Virgin Records that led to Virgin Atlantic.
Or, a former colleague of ours, Tim Callender; do you remember the allegation that the great Oxford University Press, one of the most prestigious in the world, used one of Tim’s short stories in a collection without permission and did not pay him. That, if true, is called theft.
You clearly and obviously want to concentrate on science, but humankind is multi-dimensional. Look at those other fields from the arts to social sciences. Why do you think so many black British actors leave the UK to go to the US?
I know a white, English woman who during the Cold War made a decent living translating scientific papers from Russian to English. Do you think the institutions and universities that bought that stuff did it for fun? They did it to steal ideas from the Soviets.
Everything that is being said now about the Chinese was said about the Japanese in the 1960s and 70s. Whites get the qualifications, awards, status and prestige because they mark their own homework.
Remember when Honda and Suzuki brought out their small motorbikes and the noise was that they were stealing western technology, that real motorbikes were Nortons, Ariels, Enfields, Triumphs, etc? Where are they now?
If you disagree, you therefore imply that backs are culturally and/or genetically inferior, since the reason for our failure cannot be political. Or I white dominance part of that inferiority?
I will end by explaining my position again: It does not matter if the Chinese, Indians, Arabs, or Europeans are on top, they ALL despise black African people.
The reason for Trump’s crude war against China – from trade to currency to nonsense about CoVid – is the collective US fear of being superceded by China. That is the bottom line. Life moves on.
By the way, you do not have any greater concern than I do about the way people of Caribbean origin (not black) are falling behind. We have been leapfrogged by the Asians and the Africans, who came to the UK in large numbers in the 1990s, are moving ahead of us.
As I have said here before, I give the sons and daughters of the Middle Eastern refugees two decades to move ahead. Already in primary and secondary schools and university they are in front – and in the important STEM subjects. Caribbean people want to design, model, sing and dance. We are entertainers..
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Take Hals advice and review the history of what you call “hard science”. Take note of how facts believe yo be facts have changed with subsequent discoveries and theories that explained the previously unexplained.
Interesting that an economist has to point this out to a “hard scientist”! Could this “hard scientist” be a quack?
Hahaha
Signed A.Dullard real name, E.S.A. Fields
@ Dullard at 11:48 AM
Dr. Robert Lucas is not a quack. He is a scientist in the areas of Agriculture , food technology/science, microbiology. From time to time ,like most of us humans ,he gets a little ahead of himself. “Let him without sin ,cast the first stone.”
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If you disagree, you therefore imply that backs are culturally and/or genetically inferior, since the reason for our failure cannot be political. Or I white dominance part of that inferiority?
I will end by explaining my position again: It does not matter if the Chinese, Indians, Arabs, or Europeans are on top, they ALL despise black African people. (Unquote).
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@ Robert Lucas:
Is there any ‘scientific’ evidence to support the above position Hal has posited?
Are Francis Galton and other modern-day eugenicists ‘right’ after all in the pursuit of human racial perfection where the black race would always be at the bottom of the social and economic barrel?
Are black people (the descendants of Cush) really behind on the evolutionary road or is it because of some god-designed curse inflicted on them?
Or is it simply the cost to be paid for believing in other people’s gods instead of the One which endowed them with their now ‘blackened’ skin?
Dr. Robert Lucas is not a quack. He is a scientist in the areas of Agriculture , food technology/science, microbiology…”
There is no “scientist” named “Robert Lucas”.
We must show respect to the qualifications and experience of each other. When we disrespect each other, we cannot complain when white people and Indians do the same.
@Hal,
you are quite right Hal. you and i have worked and intermingled with whites and all the other races to understand and know how it goes. there is politics involved in many of these things. every so called race has stolen from other so called advanced races. it goes around in circles until some natural disaster wipes out one race and send them back into chaos and the stone ago. all of us are one natural disaster away from such a fate despite these so called scientific advancement
and when you really think of it has man really developed? who is to say we are any better off than the people in the andaman islands or those who disappeared deep in the amazon? sometimes we think too much of our so called developments.
and kudos to the whites when blacks could believe we are genetically predisposed to be inferior. they have done a good number on us
@ Hal May 5, 2020 11:32 AM
“Plse explain how a nation can have a dominant economy if its scientists and inventions are second rate?’
I will address this one point. which I have alluded to else where on this particular Blog. Actually I am surprised that you even raised this point. In an effort to get cheap consumer goods and to maximize their stock options, people like Peter Walker of Mackenzie have encouraged western firms to locate in China. You ought to know that the firms went there because of cheap labor. To increase their earnings the Chinese threw in a lot of concessions with a proviso that that the companies’ technology be shared with their Chinese counter part. The greedy firms took the bait hook ,line and sinker to use a fishing term. That was how the Chinese got hold of some advance technology. I am sure you are aware of the facts outlined. It is rather disingenuous of you to claim you are not aware of these facts. After all you are an investigative journalist in developed country.
You have digress from science and have entered other areas of alleged wrong doings that I am unaware of. The world of patents is replete with stories of the inventor being robbed by shady legal people. For example Elisha Gray submitted his entry for a patent for the telephone on the morning of valentine’s day 1876 and Alexander Graham Bell submitted his in the afternoon, of the same day, but Bell got the patent although gray’s entry was first. It was a first come first award system it is alleged that Bell’s lawyer greased some palms
“Remember when Honda and Suzuki brought out their small motorbikes and the noise was that they were stealing western technology, that real motorbikes were Nortons, Ariels, Enfields, Triumphs, etc? Where are they now?”
What point are you trying to make here? Who invented the motor car and the motor bike? was it the Japanese? Come with a better point . It is easier to improve on an invention than to actually formulate the idea and be the first to actually produce the new invention.
“As I have said here before, I give the sons and daughters of the Middle Eastern refugees two decades to move ahead. Already in primary and secondary schools and university they are in front – and in the important STEM subjects. Caribbean people want to design, model, sing and dance. We are entertainers..”
I concur with your views on this particular topic. They like to strut around with their pant dangling below their asses with a ghetto blaster screaming. Other races come after and do much better. Then there is the black on black killings. They are partial to the killing of their own.
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@ Miller May 5, 2020 12:16 PM
All i will say about the matter is that blacks are trying very hard to prove Galton and the eugenic movement correct.
@ VincentCodrington May 5, 2020 11:21 AM
“Are “facts” really “facts”?
People who are esoteric will find find difficulty in arriving at an exact meaning of facts.
“A fact is a thing that is known to be consistent with objective reality and can be proven to be true with evidence. For example, “This sentence contains words.” is a linguistic fact, and “The sun is a star.” is a cosmological fact. Wikipedia
@RL,
listen, stop with this nonsense and get back to giving me some advice on that thread about the sweet lime hedge. i have a follow up question, man
@ Robert
You are wrong again. Quite clearly you are not familiar with economic history nor with competitive advantage. What you are talking about when you talk of Chinese cheap labour, is the battle between Wall Street and Main Street, as economists call it. I cannot see what point you are making.
As to invented the motor car, where do we start? The motor car was an improvement on the horse and cart. Today’s motor car is nothing like the Ford mass produced vehicle. Modern motor cars are driving computers and the leaders are the Germans. The invention of the telephone proves my point. If whit e people mark their own homework then they will get top marks. We had incredible engineers at the Central and Barbados Foundries, but who has ever heard of them? In other societies they will have been celebrated.
Let us look at entertainment. Do you believe that Rihanna is the greatest singer ever produced in Barbados? She is by far the wealthiest, along with her white colleagues she operates in a different market place.
We have had the Wilkinson/Stoute family, an issue discussed on BU before. Why is Richard Stoute not recognised in Barbados the way he would have been had he been in the UK, for example.
@ Robert , your celebration of white creativity is misplaced. Do you know anything about the history of black popular music? Why Sinatra had to allegedly pay for Sammy Davis’ funeral? Why so many of our artistes go bust?
@Robert, just look around Barbados and you will examples of what I mean. It is tied up in our popular sayings such as “I know he, man. he is not anything”. That has a deeper negative meaning in the Bajan subconscious.
I will recall a not so long ago BU experience that typifies this. A few months ago there was some global economic issue and I made a comment in BU on it; a BU regular then came on and said that X had said something totally different (I am paraphrasing); as it happened, I knew the guy he was talking about.
I replied that I had been in journalism before that guy was born (he was about 38 at the time), had been an editor longer than he had been in journalism, we were both foreign born (I in the Caribbean and he in France) and had the same level of education.
I asked the poster if two people had come to him with those CVs what would his decision be? He ran away and declined to comment. What I surmised from that was that if a white European said something and a black Bajan, then of course the white European must be right. In my case he might have been right.
@Robert, intentionally or not, your views give legitimacy to that form of racist superiority. Who needs Trump when they have you. I call it learning by rote. We go in to white dominated universities (not UWI), are taught about white superiority, and we come out and repeat it like parrots.
Our brightest and best don’t challenge these views, either as students, or as graduates, even when we know better. In fact, they are proud they have qualifications that celebrate white superiority.
I will end with this. At the age of five black boys of Caribbean descent entering the British educational system come top of the class; by the age of 11, as they prepare to transfer to secondary school, they are not only at the bottom, but begin to get in to serious trouble.
Whatever happens in those six years to those boys happens within the school system, not at their homes. I suggest it is racism that holds those boys back.
This is not theoretical. There was a story in the UK press last week of a teenage white boy with 89 convictions and not once was he sent to prison. Imagine that with a little black boys coming before the brutes we call magistrates in Barbados, especially that angry, sad woman? Jut look at curfew infringements. I am sure they will find some bogus moral and legal reason to jail those young people. They will even go to church and tell themselves how nice they are as people and magistrates.
Racial superiority is an ideological construct; it has nothing to do with intelligence or genes, and it penetrates in to our deepest psyches – be we scientists or politicians.
Along with owning the top four largest banks in the world, China is about to launch a digital currency, think about that for a moment.
https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2020/04/23/china-aims-to-launch-the-worlds-first-official-digital-currency
Check this from 2016!!
China is in deep shit!!
oops, 2015
With maps
@ Hal May 5, 2020 2:26 PM
You have digressed from the point and have introduced polemics into the discourse. As I said facts are facts and can be unpalatable. It is a fact that for approximately the last five hundred years ,whites have driven the inventions. If you want to say that that is supporting white as being superior so be it.
@ Greene May 5, 2020 2:02 PM
No problem. What is the question/ Have you posted it on the food blog?
@ Robert
We are indeed drifting. Plse point out where I have digressed and what are polemics. @ Robert, it is a fact that for the last 500 years we have celebrated inventions by white people, if that is what you mean by ‘driven’. But it is not polemical to point out that whites have also driven out rival inventions.
I will end the discussion on this point: in the 1970s we had VHS and Betamax, we had IBM mainframe computers and the rise of personal computers, etc, competing technologies and eventually one proved the winner only itself to be replaced. You understand that.
Now look at the history of ethno-mathematics and the history of conventional mathematics and the alleged place played by the Greeks.
I don’t know if you take an interest in these things, but take it from me that most of the history of mathematics we have been taught has been bogus. Before the Muslims and Greeks arrived in Egypt they had trading systems; they also had trading systems in West Africa, so why have these histories been written out of the official history of the discipline?
Most modern inventions are team work, and in many of those teams are people from all kinds of backgrounds. I do not want to go on, neither do I want to ‘digress’.
Finally you are contradicting yourself. If you claim that for the last five hundred years whites have ‘driven’ modern inventions, whether you like it or not, you are implicitly suggesting that white scientific and engineering creativity has been superior to other groups; that means, in simple English, that you are suggesting that whites are superior in those skills.
Or, let us take it away from inventions and talk about your specialism, agriculture. 50 years ago Mozambique, Guyana and Haiti were all rice exporting countries. Today, Guyana and Haiti are net importers of US rice and Mozambique imports most of its rice from China. Will it be ‘factual’ to suggest the US and China are great rice-producing powers without explaining that their trade policies undermined rice production in those three poor countries? Go to Massy in Oistins and the shelves are full of US rice; you need a magnifying glass to find Guyanese rice there. Why?
To try to explain this ‘fact’ is not to digress, it is to simplify, elucidate, make clear.
@Hal,
you are doing a marvelous job here, mate. it seems as though you have done a lot of research and given a lot of thought to this particular matter. Good on you. i enjoyed reading that.
the politics of science is real. in fact politics and geopolitics permeate every sphere of life
@ Hal May 6, 2020 3:25 AM
“Or, let us take it away from inventions and talk about your specialism, agriculture. 50 years ago Mozambique, Guyana and Haiti were all rice exporting countries. Today, Guyana and Haiti are net importers of US rice and Mozambique imports most of its rice from China. Will it be ‘factual’ to suggest the US and China are great rice-producing powers without explaining that their trade policies undermined rice production in those three poor countries? Go to Massy in Oistins and the shelves are full of US rice; you need a magnifying glass”
I am aware of the discriminatory trade practices. Shouldn’t some of the blame be attributed to the politicians of the countries, who instead of promoting self-sufficiency and promoting science, prefer the easier course of begging for alms? Look at Singapore a country whose leaders had a plan which was executed.
“Most modern inventions are team work, and in many of those teams are people from all kinds of backgrounds.”
If you are talking about cosmology or market penetration of an I .pod you are certainly correct. However in the physical and biological sciences it is always one or two persons. You, yourself alluded to the Nobel prize as a case in point where the individual trumps.
You have introduced factors which have no bearing on the case in point that, the majority of inventions over the last five-hundred years have been the effort of the whites. You have alluded to the unfair tactics of the whites. If the tables were turn and blacks over the last five -hundred years had done the inventions and had executed unfair trade practices ,what do you think would be the response by whites?
It is a dog eat dog world and there are no free hand outs. A lot of the blame for the situation in which blacks find themselves can be attributed to the the elites selling out for a mess of porridge.
@ robert lucas May 6, 2020 2:24 AM
it is on the Carmeta’s Corner Blog. thanks
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Racial superiority is an ideological construct; it has nothing to do with intelligence or genes, and it penetrates in to our deepest psyches – be we scientists or politicians. (Unquote).
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You are leaning against a rather intellectually stimulating wall of controversy.
So why not mention men (and women) of the cloth as important markers along the continuum of this uroboros-type debate?
What you ought to be doing to buttress your argument is to cite examples of how this ‘ideological construct of racial superiority’ is manifested in ‘society’.
What vehicles are used to transport this ideology which, sometimes, can be virulent like the ‘white supremacist’ manifesto or Nazism?
As an ardent supporter of the Anglican Church aren’t you also a victim of one of these vehicular collisions of propaganda involving a crash of a clash between a superior ‘white’ culture and that of the unintelligible behaviours of an inferior group of sub-humans saved from the savagery of the Dark Continent as your mate Quaker John would argue?
Isn’t the black race still the white man’s burden?
Just look how much these black politically-managed ex-colonies like Bim still rely so heavily on the pale skin visitors and international ‘white’ collar criminals called tax dodgers looking for loosely regulated havens to control?
@ Robert
I agree with lots of what you say, regarding the poverty of ideas and political incompetence and Bajan (black and white) business ineptitude.
But you have confirmed what I have been trying, and failed, to convince you about. The success or failure of white inventions has nothing to do with intellectual superiority or creative genius, but with the distribution of political and economic power.
It is precisely this reality that is now playing out between the US and China, of which the to-and-fro about CoVid is but part. Nothing to do with US technological superiority ie Huawei, but with a bully trying to keep out a rising power.
I have just been reading about a Chinese long-range stealth bomber, carrying conventional and nuclear war heads, the H-20, with a range of 5000 miles. That is the rising power that has Trump and the Pentagon releasing excreta in their trousers. What is the distance from China to the US across the Pacific?
So If I may intrude and ask this general question on the psychology of all this…
How is it that two Bajan boys of similar mental aptitude (bright, in simple Bajan), similar back grounds racial make-up, schooling etc; been exposed to the wider-world as tertiary level students and exposed to the political and corporate machinations as well but have yet evolved with such disparate views on race?!?
Yes, one forged his career outside Bim and the other within but interestingly enough it’s the home bound man who is fully vested in the notion that all major things scientific revolve around the genius of the white man!
That, @Mr Blogmaster (without naming the two protagonists in any special way as that itself is irrelevant) properly set-up with the historical formative details and back ground is a wonderful exploration of what is noted here often – in a different way – as the Bajan condition.
I know that is not your bailiwick 🙂 so that will NOT happen but as I often tell you: on these pages you have some of the most awesome study material possible!
I gone.
@ Hal May 6, 2020 8:24 AM
“I have just been reading about a Chinese long-range stealth bomber, carrying conventional and nuclear war heads, the H-20, with a range of 5000 miles. That is the rising power that has Trump and the Pentagon releasing excreta in their trousers. What is the distance from China to the US across the Pacific?”
I alluded to this and the F-35 which seemed to have been copied from the US’ blue prints above in this Blog. Anyhow, the Yanks have a replacement stealth in the works. The present one is based on dated technologies. Why should the Pentagon be releasing excreta when it was the first to invent one ?It is the Yank’s technology which through slackness ( obviously smartness on the part of those doing the stealing) was allowed to be stolen.
Oh and too let me applaud you @Austin for your expositions above. On the issue of race and its impact over the years you are located in the same ‘nook’ as I am… and you say it well.
I’ll only ask this one thing… I don’t get the point re : ” … in the 1970s we had VHS and Betamax, we had IBM mainframe computers and the rise of personal computers, etc, competing technologies and eventually one proved the winner only itself to be replaced. You understand that.”
What does video formats and PC competing technologies have to do with the race debate generally or otherwise?
There is always competition for the ‘acceptable’ format and that will become a life and death issue figuratively and literally… moreso mainframes and PC coexisted from then until only recently when the power of chips essentially allowed a small unit (like a PC form factor) to be linked together to produce ‘mainframe’ type computing power.
And doubly moreover who did IBM sell their PC division to…. the Chinese of course.
As have been said in different ways above the US have controlled and demanded the greatest wealth dividend for themselves since forever and having used China as their cash cow for these last 30+ years (cheap labour, treasury bill financing etc) they now are vilifying them to demand a return of what the US had WILLINGLY gave … unfortunately the Asians prepared themselves for that and are now masters of the US more than they were ever ‘servers’ of labour!
That it seems is to all our detriment.
@ robert lucas May 6, 2020 9:05 AM
“….the Yanks have a replacement stealth in the works. The present one is based on dated technologies. Why should the Pentagon be releasing excreta when it was the first to invent one ?It is the Yank’s technology which through slackness ( obviously smartness on the part of those doing the stealing) was allowed to be stolen.”
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But isn’t this par for course in the race for military domination and control of global resources?
Didn’t the same Yanks do the same when it came to German technologies after WW11?
Of course you know the meaning of the geopolitical term “MAD”.
Why would the Yanks want to destroy their own work house that provides the goods to feed their gargantuan greed called conspicuous consumption and source of foreign income/ dividends aka the American dream manifested in the form of Apple, etc?
Why would China destroy its major export market and income earned from its large investments in USA Treasury paper?
China is not Cuba, Venezuela, a Trump designated shi**thole country like Haiti or a dispensable country like tiny Barbados.
It’s the most populous country on the globe with a land area (not coastal or offshore territories) slightly bigger than the same recently-arrived grand US of A stolen by the white man from your ancestors of the north.
@ Hal Austin
You are doing well. This is the type of education that we need on this blog.Hitherto ,I mentioned the phrase “dominant narrative”. That is what it is about. Thanks for explaining and expanding on the concept.
@ d pD
The computer system shifted to a distributive system ( multiple connected PCs) from mega computers. This was facilitated by making cheaper and smaller computer chips.. Paradigm shifts in concept. It is not confined by ethnicity. It is brain power and an enabling environment.
https://youtu.be/FjfvxWswpak
Not clear but worth thinking about
New York Times
Coronavirus May Lurk in Semen, Researchers Report
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/science/coronavirus-semen-study.html?smtyp=cur&smid=fb-nytimes
@ Robert,
Just came across the story of Dr Judy Makovits and her take on CoVid. It is worth listening to.
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