Explaining Social Democracy Versus Democratic Socialism

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socialismThis article tries to explain the difference. I agree with his definition. By the way, I think Bernie Sanders in the US presidential race is shooting himself in the foot by calling himself a democratic socialist (which he is not) rather than a social democrat (which he in fact is). Barbados is a social democracy as are many developed countries (in Europe and most of the developed world) and this is the direction Bernie would like to take the US. But it ain’t gonna happen if he continues to mislabel himself. By the way, I’m not on the side of the writer.

Social Democracy vs. Democratic Socialism

Social Democracy vs. Democratic Socialism In this post, I want to explain why I have shifted my allegiance from social democracy to democratic socialism. Before tha…

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  1. David March 8, 2016 at 12:34 AM #

    At Secretive Meeting, Tech CEOs And Top Republicans Commiserate, Plot To Stop Trump


    Billionaires, tech CEOs and top members of the Republican establishment flew to a private island resort off the coast of Georgia this weekend for the American Enterprise Institute’s annual World Forum, according to sources familiar with the secretive gathering.

    The main topic at the closed-to-the-press confab? How to stop Republican front-runner Donald Trump.

    Apple CEO Tim Cook, Google co-founder Larry Page, Napster creator and Facebook investor Sean Parker, and Tesla Motors and SpaceX honcho Elon Musk all attended. So did Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), political guru Karl Rove, House Speaker Paul Ryan, GOP Sens. Tom Cotton (Ark.), Cory Gardner (Colo.), Tim Scott (S.C.), Rob Portman (Ohio) and Ben Sasse (Neb.), who recently made news by saying he "cannot support Donald Trump."

    Along with Ryan, the House was represented by Energy and Commerce Committee Chair Fred Upton (Mich.), Rep. Kevin Brady (Texas) and almost-Speaker Kevin McCarthy (Calif.), sources said, along with leadership figure Cathy McMorris Rodgers (Wash.), Financial Services Committee Chairman Jeb Hensarling (Texas) and Diane Black (Tenn.).

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  2. David March 8, 2016 at 12:56 AM #

    The following comment extracted from the article is true? provocative?

    But if there is an opening that the capitalists can use in order to aggregate more wealth by inevitably screwing the working class, then the failure of the social democratic model becomes obvious. Social democrats, corrupted by decades of political rule, have to respond to the pressures of the financial and economic overlords, who bankroll their campaigns and dictate government policies through the threat of mobile capital.20


  3. Sargeant March 8, 2016 at 1:43 AM #

    Trump is the fly in the Koch’s ointment, they can control Rubio, Cruz etc. but Trump is unpredictable


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  4. islandgal March 8, 2016 at 5:02 AM #

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  5. David March 8, 2016 at 6:15 AM #

    Here is what we know for sure Sargeant, if this reaches the floor of the RNC for a decision, it will split the RNC down the middle.

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  6. Well Well & Consequences March 8, 2016 at 7:20 AM #


    Donald Trump is an extremely nasty piece of work, he has always been known to be doshonesty out and out scam artist and fraud, the GOP took too long to get rid of him, playing racist games with him and will now pay the price. They are all bound by hatred for other people.

    BTW…..lobbyists are lowclass, bottomfeeding pimps.

    EXCLUSIVE: Republicans game to pounce on Donald Trump over $250,000 fine he paid for illegal lobbying to stop Indian-run casino


    Donald Trump once paid to settle a New York State probe into whether he illegally lobbied to stop a proposed Indian-run casino.
    Donald Trump once paid to settle a New York State probe into whether he illegally lobbied to stop a proposed Indian-run casino.

    ALBANY — Republicans are prepared to attack Donald Trump over a $250,000 fine he and his associates once paid to settle a New York State probe into whether he illegally lobbied to stop a proposed Indian-run casino, the Daily News has learned.

    A number of prominent national GOP operatives unaffiliated with any specific campaign are pushing the issue to several of the Republican presidential candidates as well as the Super PACs that support them, said one of them.

    The operative said anti-Trump Republicans can hit the GOP front-runner for having previously talked about how lobbyists control the political system even after he was investigated in 2000 for secretly bankrolling an ad campaign against a casino in the Catskills that he feared threatened his own gambling interests in Atlantic City.

    “He played a role in killing a project that would have created jobs solely to protect his failing casinos in Atlantic City,” the GOPer said. “This guy doesn’t care about anyone but himself. He talks a big game, but he’s all talk.”

    Roger Stone, the point man for Trump’s illegal lobbying activities in New York, also helped start his presidential campaign.
    Roger Stone, the point man for Trump’s illegal lobbying activities in New York, also helped start his presidential campaign.
    In settling the matter with the now defunct Lobbying Commission for a then-state record high fine of $250,000, Trump was forced to publicly apologize even though he was not required to admit any wrongdoing.

    Also part of the settlement was a provision that the Lobbying Commission would not refer the case for criminal prosecution. Under state law at the time, Trump and his allies could have faced misdemeanor charges if they were found to have violated the state lobbying act.

    It was Trump’s camp that pushed for a guarantee there would be no criminal referral, David Grandeau, who at the time headed the Lobbying Commission, told the News Sunday.

    “It had more value to them than it did to us since we never referred those types of cases anyway,” said Grandeau, who a few years ago was hired by Trump to help with an ethics case he sought to bring against Attorney General Eric Schneiderman.

    Trump was investigated by the Lobbying Commission for not reporting that he funded seven ads through an upstate anti-gambling group named the Institute for Law and Society against an ultimately doomed plan to open the casino.

    Trump’s involvement was originally hidden. The lobbying campaign also involved controversial GOP consultant Roger Stone, who is supporting Trump’s presidential run this year.

    In the end, Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts paid $50,000 in fines, Stone paid $100,000, and the institute $100,000. A source tied to the case said Trump covered all three fines.

    It was Trump’s camp that pushed for a guarantee there would be no criminal referral, David Grandeau, who at the time headed the Lobbying Commission, told the News Sunday.
    It was Trump’s camp that pushed for a guarantee there would be no criminal referral, David Grandeau, who at the time headed the Lobbying Commission, told the News Sunday.
    Trump’s campaign did not comment. At the time of the settlement, his lawyers said it was cheaper to settle the case than to go to court.

    “It’s hardly surprising that Trump’s presidential campaign was launched with the assistance of Roger Stone — the point man for Trump’s illegal lobbying activities in New York,” said the GOP operative.

    Florida Sen. Marco Rubio recently has been attacking Trump for a $40 million fraud lawsuit brought by Schneiderman against the billionaire developer’s Trump University.

    Schneiderman’s office on Monday sent a letter asking the judge in the case to consider a summary judgment after an appellate court decision last week allowed the case to move forward and also reinstated one of the fraud charges that was previously dismissed by a lower court.

    Schneiderman also said last week’s ruling removed any basis Trump had to interview the thousands of former Trump University students who could be impacted by the case.

    Schneiderman’s office in 2013 filed a fraud lawsuit claiming that Trump University promised to make students rich by teaching them the art of the real estate deal, but instead steered them into costly and mostly useless seminars.


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  7. Well Well & Consequences March 8, 2016 at 7:33 AM #

    This commenter from California nailed it:

    “David Smith Los Angeles, California
    I don’t know how it could be said better. The whole time I’m reading this, I’m searching for someone in their roster that might be a voice for people that are so disillusioned that they think Trump is a viable candidate. A story like this just makes him look like Robin Hood. And all of these folks getting together to stop a monster they created would be laughable if it wasn’t already so scary.”


  8. Green Monkey March 8, 2016 at 9:18 AM #

    Democrats and Republicans, tough call to decide which one is the frying pan and which one is the fire.

    The Financial System Is A Larger Threat Than Terrorism
    By Paul Craig Roberts

    In the 21st century Americans have been distracted by the hyper-expensive “war on terror.” Trillions of dollars have been added to the taxpayers’ burden and many billions of dollars in profits to the military/security complex in order to combat insignificant foreign “threats,” such as the Taliban, that remain undefeated after 15 years. All this time the financial system, working hand-in-hand with policymakers, has done more damage to Americans than terrorists could possibly inflict.

    The purpose of the Federal Reserve and US Treasury’s policy of zero interest rates is to support the prices of the over-leveraged and fraudalent (sic) financial instruments that unregulated financial systems always create. If inflation was properly measured, these zero rates would be negative rates, which means not only that retirees have no income from their retirement savings but also that saving is a losing proposition. Instead of earning interest on your savings, you pay interest that shrinks the real value of your saving.

    Central banks, neoliberal economists, and the presstitute financial media advocate negative interest rates in order to force people to spend instead of save. The notion is that the economy’s poor economic performance is not due to the failure of economic policy but to people hoarding their money. The Federal Reserve and its coterie of economists and presstitutes maintain the fiction of too much savings despite the publication of the Federal Reserve’s own report that 52% of Americans cannot raise $400 without selling personal possessions or borrowing the money. federalreserveDOTgov/econresdata/2013-report-economic-well-being-us-households-201407.pdf



  9. Well Well & Consequences March 8, 2016 at 10:22 AM #

    Truly frightening, the current candidates of both republican and democratic parties are not trustworthy, Trump being a serious candidate means more females will vote for Clinton who is no better than Trump, they are very close family friends….birds of a feather.

    More frightening than ever……too many influential black men are supporting Trump, a vocal hater of black people, these men are readily willing to sell their people into the next human genocide, of which Trump is quite capable.

    I am sure other world leaders can see where this is going and will not remain quiet.


    DAILY NEWSNew YorkNewsPoliticsSportsEntertainmentOpinionLivingAutos

    Donald Trump’s KKK connections go back to dad Fred’s arrest at Klan riot in 1927
    BY ADAM EDELMAN NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Sunday, February 28, 2016, 5:54 PM A A A

    Racism reportedly runs in the family, when it comes to the Trump Klan.

    Trump’s late father, Fred Trump, was arrested following a Ku Klux Klan riot in Queens in 1927, according to a bombshell report that further suggests unusual ties between the 2016 front-runner and the notorious white supremacist group.

    Fred Trump Sr. was among seven men arrested following a May 30, 1927 brawl between members of the KKK and the New York Police Department, according to The Washington Post, which unearthed news articles from the June 1, 1927 edition of The New York Times.


    The elder Trump’s role in the brawl was unclear, The Post reported, and there is no proof in the report that he was a member of the KKK.

    Donald Trump and Fred Trump at Trump Towers Atrium in New York City.
    Donald Trump and Fred Trump at Trump Towers Atrium in New York City.
    The fights that broke out in Queens occurred after 1,000 KKK members dressed in white hooded robes marched through the Jamaica neighborhood.

    According to The Post, the address of the elder Trump from the arrest report matched the Jamaica address where he lived, according to a 1930 Census.


    Trump, who was born in the Bronx to German immigrants, would have been 21 at the time of the arrest. He later became a wealthy real estate developer and died in 1999.

    BESTPIXDonald Trump has a contentious interview with CNN’s Anderson Cooper during a TV interview Wednesday, July 22, 2015.Donald Trump’s feuds.Donald Trump’s feuds.VIEW GALLERY
    Donald Trump’s public feuds
    The purpose of the KKK march that day was to rally “Native-born Protestant Americans” who felt targeted by “Roman Catholic police of New York City,” according to a flier advertising the protest obtained by The Post.

    “Liberty and Democracy have been trampled upon,” the flier stated, “when native-born Protestant Americans dare to organize to protect one flag, the American flag; one school, the public school; and one language, the English language.”

    Reports of the elder Trump’s involvement in the incident initially surfaced last August on tech blog Boing Boing.

    When asked to comment Sunday on the latest details surrounding the incident, a spokeswoman for the Trump campaign sent a link to a story from September 2015 story in which the Republican mogul ardently rejected the report.

    Donald Trump and Fred Trump during a press conference, July 26, 1988 at The Plaza Hotel in New York City.
    Donald Trump and Fred Trump during a press conference, July 26, 1988 at The Plaza Hotel in New York City.


    “He was never arrested. He has nothing to do with this. This never happened. This is nonsense and it never happened,” Trump said about his father in the September 2015 article. “This never happened. Never took place. He was never arrested, never convicted, never even charged. It’s a completely false, ridiculous story. He was never there! It never happened. Never took place.”

    The resurfacing of the report comes at an inopportune time for the bombastic billionaire, who last week received the endorsement of former KKK leader David Duke.

    On Sunday Trump repeatedly refused to distance himself from Duke and the KKK and initially declined to disavow the support.

    Amid mounting pressure to reject the comments, however, he eventually took to twitter to condemn the support.


  10. Tron March 8, 2016 at 11:49 AM #

    Watch this:


    If Bim had such an angry woman on CBC, would a “1937”-party aka tea-party emerge?


  11. Vincent Haynes March 8, 2016 at 2:35 PM #

    Reality Check: The truth about the Trump phenomenon


  12. David March 8, 2016 at 2:40 PM #

    Why are so fixated on Trump and not what is the cause driving people to support Trump. How is Trump that much different compared to Hilary, Rubio et al.


  13. Green Monkey March 8, 2016 at 4:35 PM #

    “How is Trump that much different compared to Hilary, Rubio et al.

    Well unlike Hillary, Trump doesn’t have a horny husband with a zipper that can’t stay up who he has to play and active part in protecting from sexual harassment and rape charges.

    EXCLUSIVE – Paula Jones: The Truth About Bill’s Women Would ‘Destroy’ Hillary’s Political Career

    The “truth” about Bill Clinton’s affairs and alleged affairs would “destroy” Hillary Clinton’s political career, declares Paula Jones, the former Arkansas state employee who sued President Clinton for sexual harassment.

    Jones made the statements in an interview with Breitbart senior investigative reporter and Jerusalem bureau chief Aaron Klein. The interview aired on Tuesday exclusively on Breitbart News Daily, the radio program hosted by Breitbart News Executive Chairman Stephen K. Bannon.

    Klein asked Jones whether she believes female voters should be concerned about the allegations that Hillary was complicit in covering up her husband’s ill treatment of women, including Jones herself.


    “He asked me to kiss it”

    In an interview that aired on Klein’s Sunday night talk radio program in January, Jones recounted the details of the alleged initial sexual assault incident at the Excelsior Hotel, where the future president not only allegedly groped and exposed himself to her, but Jones said Clinton also implicitly threatened her to remain silent about the events.



  14. Violet C Beckles March 8, 2016 at 5:52 PM #

    After ALL that have been said ,, What is Barbados,?
    Besides Crooks , Liars and Scumbags,?


  15. Green Monkey March 8, 2016 at 10:11 PM #

    Interesting to note that Trump is voicing opinions that indicate he would implement a much less confrontational foreign policy (e.g. cooperate with Putin to defeat ISIS) and be less willing to deploy the armed forces in sundry foreign entanglements than has been the neoconservative inspired foreign policy followed by both the Bush and the Obama administrations since 9/11.

    Trump has also indicated he would like to be more even handed and neutral in the dispute between Israel and the Palestinians, contrary to the “Israel can do no wrong and we support it whatever it does” position that has been the traditional US policy for many years. All this is what has really got the establishment republicans with their knickers in a knot, and indicating they would turn their backs on Trump (should he be the republican candidate) to vote for Hillary who in speech and action appears more than willing to follow the neocon playbook.

    Hillary the Butcher

    We came, we saw, he died,” exclaimed an ebullient Hillary Clinton, as she exulted over the horrific death of Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi, who was sodomized with a bayonet before being brutally murdered by rampaging militiamen. Visiting Tripoli, the Libyan capital, the American Secretary of State was eager to take credit for the “liberation” of yet another Muslim country by Western powers acting in concert. An extensive and quite revealing New York Times investigation (Pt. 1 here, Pt. 2 here) reports on “a ‘ticktock’ that described her starring role in the events that had led to this moment. The timeline, her top policy aide, Jake Sullivan, wrote, demonstrated Mrs. Clinton’s ‘leadership/ownership/stewardship of this country’s Libya policy from start to finish.’ The memo’s language put her at the center of everything: ‘HRC announces … HRC directs … HRC travels … HRC engages,’ it read.”

    These days, however, out on the campaign trail, Mrs. Clinton is not quite so eager to take ownership of what can only be characterized as an unmitigated disaster, a case history dramatizing the perils of “liberal” interventionism from inception to bloody denouement.

    Mrs. Clinton was easily won over by the Libyan rebels who presented a utopian view of what the post-revolutionary era would look like: there would be free elections, a free media, women would be able to “do it all,” and everyone would get a pony. They “’said all the right things about supporting democracy and inclusivity and building Libyan institutions, providing some hope that we might be able to pull this off,’ said Philip H. Gordon, one of her assistant secretaries. ‘They gave us what we wanted to hear. And you do want to believe.’”

    Confirmation bias in a writer or reporter is fatal, but only to his/her own career: in a Secretary of State it is a death sentence for thousands. And that’s exactly how it turned out in Hillary’s case.

    To this day, Clinton avers that “it’s too soon to tell” whether the Libya intervention qualifies as an unmitigated failure – even in the face of marauding militias, no less than two self-declared governments, the horrific death of an American ambassador at the hands of the very militias we empowered, and the incursion of the Islamic State, al Qaeda, and other terrorist outfits. She refused to be interviewed for the Times article.



  16. Lawrence James Bauer, CFA March 8, 2016 at 10:24 PM #

    ALL socialist governments eventually become totalitarian, because force becomes necessary to get people to do more and more work for the slackers in society.

    We have plenty of real life examples to show this is true.

    Western society is breaking down because more than 50% of people get their checks from the government — directly or indirectly — and always vote for MORE. A famous economist made this point 75 years ago, but schools (which are ALL leftist) don’t even mention his name, much less his message, any more.

    More than 10 years ago, some think tanks in the US pointed out that the people on welfare were getting benefits that exceeded the median income of working people. Yet, we are told that we need to give MORE.

    US think tanks also pointed out more than 10 years ago that in the US, gvt employees were paid about 50% more than what was paid to employees in the private sector doing identical work, enjoyed superior health and retirement benefits, and couldn’t even be fired for poor work. Recent economic reports constantly bemoan the fact that real wages in the US have not risen in over 16 years — but they leave out the fact that gvt employees, despite already enjoying superior wages & benefits all this time, have gained higher real wages in every year over this period. Who do you think is paying all this? Right now the New Jersey transit workers are threatening to strike — which will have a severe effect on all activities around New York City, if not given a wage increase well above the minimal level of inflation. Government authorities never bargain effectively against the people who put, and keep, them in power.


  17. de Ingrunt Word March 9, 2016 at 4:09 AM #

    @David at 2:40 PM…”Why are so fixated on Trump and not what is the cause driving people to support Trump. How is Trump that much different compared to Hilary, Rubio et al.”– Mr Blogmaster you have the ability to cryptically capture an argument is the most profound,
    succinct way. It’s practically impossible to not be fixated on Trump and its just as impossible to truly understand the cause driving people to support him. He is very different compared to the rest.

    One must be fixated because this is a guy who has a manufacturing operation for his clothing line (and so too his extended family) that is all outside the US. Yet he rails successfully against all the companies who do that. This is a guy who has built his reputation on crushing illegal immigrants and condemns all those who support or embrace their work status in the US. But the man has employed immigrants continually during his career.

    Trump courts rabid racists with his rhetoric and by his own actions has encouraged physical assault of Blacks and Muslims if seen at his rallies. Yet he continually touts his ability to bring people together. He has also said some nasty things about women but clearly enjoys the company of beautiful ladies.

    On the people side, how can we know WHY people really support him …because they are dissatisfied and want change? Absolutely too simplistic.

    Those who are jingoistic and are angry against immigrants support him despite his history with immigrants. Some Blacks support him despite his public displays of deep seated racism and the KKK’s love for him. Women support him despite his misogynistic behavior. Job seekers support a man whose rhetoric on trade would create the worst trade generated recession ever and on and on.

    Consider that US economists are heralding the economic standard of reaching ‘full employment’ – getting below 5% unemployment. Standards around that and wage growth not seen since the pre-2008 crisis years. In short before Pres Obama so badly destroyed the economy as Trump would have us believe.

    So Mr Blogmaster, how does one really not get fixated on this guy and his supporters in what is a completely contradictory set of phenomenon..the proverbial alternate universe hypothesis.

    Or is this a version of an ‘anti-Christ’ who turns everything that once made sense into nonsense!


  18. David March 9, 2016 at 6:40 AM #

    @De Word

    It all makes for an interest case study. The truth is of you examine Hilary Clinton’s record there is not much in the argument between the two besides the optics. It is all about big money and Wall Street.


  19. Bush Tea March 9, 2016 at 7:47 AM #

    @ Lawrence James Bauer, CFA March 8, 2016 at 10:24 PM #

    Major point.
    Another fundamental example of the flawed logic on which modern society is built. Imagine a modern ‘educated’ society planting the weeds of laziness and seriously expecting to reap the fruit of growth and success.
    Take a walk through Bridgetown any day and expect to be accosted by dozens of parasites who have calculated that it is more ‘profitable’ to beg a dollar from 400 passers-by – of whom at least 30% will donate to the cause – than to go and do some useful work that will benefit the society.
    Obviously these parasites will grow in number as news of their windfall spread ..and others give up ‘looking to work’ and join the fun…

    When these numbers reach the stage where THEY can determine who the politicians are, then the society is doomed to become an ‘ass-backwards’ place where the parasites are calling the shots…

    …but we already have that here…. don’t we?

    By the sweat of his brow should a man eat bread…(else his ass should starve)
    That is what a MERITOCRACY is all about.


  20. Well Well & Consequences March 9, 2016 at 8:27 AM #

    Bushman….of course you already have it, the business people are the largest parasites and welfare recipients, all they have to do is lodge 1.5 million or thereabouts as corporate entities and go a begging contracts and all types of concessions from the government, no little begging for them, they beg in the millions…turning countries and islands into true welfare states. That is what the government should put and end to, but unfortunately, it’s tied to bribe giving and bribe taking.

    Arthur is actually in the papers today alluding to the business people and their welfare like mentality.

    Re Trump….it will all come out in the wash.



  21. Hants March 9, 2016 at 1:47 PM #

    Arthur 66… Trump 69…. Sanders 74.

    Just saying.



  22. Hants March 9, 2016 at 1:48 PM #

    Hilary Clinton 68


  23. Bush Tea March 9, 2016 at 2:06 PM #

    @ hants
    Arthur is of course right…

    But he reminds Bushie of Ralph Boyce…. who, as Chief Education Officer, supported and oversaw the final destruction of education in Barbados via the co-ed shiite plan to destroy the top schools in the island….hatched by Miller and Tull…
    Karma then had his tail fighting a rearguard battle with MENSA ..begging society to pay some notice to the ‘men’ …or what was left of them among the bowls…some 40 years on…

    Same with Arthur…. now that he has some time to spend with his grandchildren …and to review the folly of some of his ‘economic initiatives’…
    No doubt in retrospect, he would have been A LOT MORE LIKE BARROW – as was his initial inclination, before being tempted by the same albino business moguls to whom he now address his valid concerns…

    Hindsight is always 20/20.


  24. Hants March 9, 2016 at 2:36 PM #

    @ Bushie,

    Yes Arthur is right but the private sector has a captive market full of voracious consumers to exploit and a willing government throwing in government funded projects as a bonus.


  25. NorthernObserver March 9, 2016 at 3:19 PM #

    What the former PM needs to examine is…..the private sector is investing heavily….they just are not investing in Barbados, but in other islands and Latin America, even in N.America.


  26. Bush Tea March 9, 2016 at 6:56 PM #

    @ NorthernObserver
    Who would invests in brass?
    Some metals are just exploited to the max ..and then discarded…

    …and metals with negative self-esteem and shameful mirror-images naturally fit the bill for exploitation..


  27. millertheanunnaki March 9, 2016 at 8:43 PM #

    @ Bush Tea March 9, 2016 at 2:06 PM
    “Same with Arthur…. now that he has some time to spend with his grandchildren and to review the folly of some of his ‘economic initiatives’…
    No doubt in retrospect, he would have been A LOT MORE LIKE BARROW – as was his initial inclination, before being tempted by the same albino business moguls to whom he now address his valid concerns…
    Hindsight is always 20/20.”

    And to think that OSA was rejected by the majority Bajan (b)rass bowls in favour of Froon the Fumbling fool.
    What an occurrence in the high art of folly which only the writers of tragicomedy would find entertaining.

    The deus ex machine of karma must come to its only final appearance of doom and gloom for a people who were once blessed but are now cursed.

    Stop making ‘mock’ sport at your own people, Bushie. They have a date with destiny in meeting your own BBE’s version of the true Bajan proverb of “hard ears you wont hear, own way you would feel”.

    You yourself are reenacting hindsight with your current 20/20 vision of 2007.
    You are the man that sold his Faustian soul to the political devil of lies called the dlp. So stew in hell, mi amigo.


  28. de Ingrunt Word March 9, 2016 at 9:58 PM #

    Yes David, he seems to want to wage trade wars with Mexico, China and others.

    But remember Donald Trump has also been married three times! That should tells us that he can look us directly in our eyes and convince us of his ‘deep abiding love’ today…and then he can be just as convincing when he changes his mind…in the next two years.

    Or said with more ‘intellectual verbosity’: “A wise [leader] cannot, nor ought he to, keep his promises when such observance would place him at a disadvantage, and when the reasons for which he gave his word no longer exist.”

    And the equally telling:

    “Everyone admits how praiseworthy it is in a [leader] to keep his word, and to behave with integrity rather than cunning. Nevertheless our experience has been that those [leaders] who have done great things have considered keeping their word of little account, and have known how to beguile men’s minds by shrewdness and cunning. In the end these [leaders] have overcome … “.

    Taken from ‘The Prince’. Obviously the Donald’s all-time favorite light reading book on Leadership.

    Worry not of his rantings..he is truly a Prince of grand Machiavellian proportions.


  29. Kammie Holder March 9, 2016 at 10:26 PM #

    @Jeff Cumberbatch et el. How can we hold politicians to account after they have left office. Would appreciate feedback. #ANewWay


  30. de Ingrunt Word March 9, 2016 at 10:51 PM #

    @Kammie Holder March 9, at 10:26 PM …cud dear, wha sort of ting dis you posing pon de blog in the guise of serious discourse? You really need Jeff or some other learned legal eagle to answer that question…come on man!

    If a politician has not been charged with any crime what exactly do YOU expect can be done other than not reelecting them at the next ballot.

    There is no new option that will just arrive ‘poof’ like magic nor are there any grand ideas that can be proposed to interdict a citizen unless he/she has committed proven wrong doing. You KNOW all that.

    Why de strange commentary!


  31. Bush Tea March 9, 2016 at 11:09 PM #

    @ Miller
    And to think that OSA was rejected by the majority Bajan (b)rass bowls in favour of Froon the Fumbling fool.
    What rejected by what majority what…!!??

    You know better than anyone else that Owen lost because Mia campaigned against members of his team …and her pal Peter W did his famous back-raise poll…


  32. David March 10, 2016 at 1:44 AM #

    Will a Wickham poll have ant credibility next election in Barbados?

    At the mention of Wickham. This week regular talk show caller Mr.anti American mentioned how Cahill documents were leaked to underground social media and so it seems others in society are not doing enough to highlight the issue. Wickham was quick to point out that Kammie Holder raised the issue first and it got legs when Mia raised it in parliament. What the idiot doesn’t get is that all areas of civil society must play the part to lobby areas of concern. It is as a collective we stand a better chance to achieve a good outcome. Does his response explain why the Cahill documents gave been ignored by traditional media? Ironically if the documents were posted on some unknown blog somewhere in the world Stetson FLOW Babb would have carried it on The Latest’.


  33. pieceuhderockyeahright March 10, 2016 at 5:21 AM #

    A strategy for Hilary Clinton.

    “If you waste time with Skirmishes and the Muslim Ban and the Mexico wall et al, are all”kirmishes, you will lose the battle.”

    There were about 125.9 million adult women capable of voting in the United States in 2014. The number of men was 119.4 million.

    Donald Trump like de ole man wa married three times and, as a billionaire, has left a trail of infelicities in divorce documents that are a treasure trove of salacious inventory WHICH THE DONALD CANNOT COUNTERACT.


    De Igrunt Word chirped this best for those who obviously we’re not listening.

    Donald’s daily belligerence is being sucked by an obviously ingrunt population sorry set of delegates but there is one thing that these clowns are not employing, and that is to make this a subtle war against Trump based on his records against women WHO CONSTITUTE 60 million votes.

    Clinton as President and Bernie as Vice President with concessions on Universal Heallth Care or whatever compromises can be made NOW between the two parties WILL PUT THE TWO OF THESE CANDIDATES IN THE WHITE HOUSE TODAY, IF THEY STOP THEIR INFIGHTING NOW AND FOCUS ON THEIR COMMON ENEMY

    Mia Amor Mottley WILL NOT WIN THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION BECAUSE OF THIS GENDER VOTING GAP DYNAMIC, Mia will win because of 10 years of ineptitude of the worst political administration this cuntry has ever had since independence.

    You must understand the nature of the fool euphemism for the American public.

    Trump understands that the average American is dumb and stupid and fickle and bigger brass bowls than Bajans.

    But as Barbados shows, Brassbowls while at 95% only own 5% of the cuntry’s wealth and similarly the minds that run America s economy and war machinery IS NOT FROM THE STREETS AND BYWAYS that Trump is stroking with this mob exciting rhetoric.

    And that is what is going to carry the tide here, in the same way Mottley is purposely off screen away from the spotlight and the clitorises not engaging with the diurnal, wasteful skirmishes, Clinton and that crew need to leave Trump to his diurnal machinations within his party, spread the mass insurrection regarding his permanent history in the divorce courts of the United States a la Ivanna and eat him alive at the ballot boxes on Election Day

    Methuselah was a wife beater, a womanizer capable of great mental torture, and incompatibility and the lists goes on and on. The war that one fights after those written pleadings is a hill too high, and, once you get the court transcripts, WITH SOME SKILLFUL COPWRITERS you can weave a trail of deceit and disturbing practices, that will disparage trump in the eyes of the public.

    Which divorced man who has been accused of spousal abuse going come to the court of public opinion and say ” dem telling lies pun me, I did not hit her 10 times I only hit she eight times!! Or it was not 12 summer dat I was unfaithful with, it was only 9 (and to be politically correct, and 2 menses) heheheheheh

    If Hilary and her party keep fighting skirmished that madman Trump will be in 1600 Pennsylvania Aveenue like Mia going be in Llaro Court.

    If only people of her ilk could put their so called brilliance to use for cuntry instead of self and neophytes our cuntry would be unstoppable


  34. pieceuhderockyeahright March 10, 2016 at 5:34 AM #

    Errata ” are not from the street…subject verb agreement and 12 wummen not summer, dis iPad hate bajan

    De Madam jes turn and tell muh tuh turn of de so and so bright light in de bed and leh she sleep so I gone.

    Today is Tursdey so I gine down by de bank a wif draw de few pennies, count dem, and mek sure dem still in de bank and redeposit dem and come back heah and see whu de ole ma kin try to unnerstan and add mo’ lies to


  35. ac March 10, 2016 at 5:45 AM #

    Mia has a history of being attached or connected to a party with perceived allegations of corruption Bro when the campaign gets in full heat the necessity to address those allegations would be placed fully under the microscope along with having to explain why she has not address the controversy about her LEC
    People looking for REAL change will not accept warm over soup as with MIA and her dysfunctional gang


  36. de Ingrunt Word March 10, 2016 at 7:46 AM #

    @Pieces, but hasn’t that path of attack re his behaviour towards women been tried already and effectively failed. I am not aware nor do I recall that Trump was ever accused of ‘physical abuse’ so your ” court transcripts, WITH SOME SKILLFUL COPYWRITERS” is good old-fashioned CIA type recreation of the facts. As you know nowadays that subterfuge can be upended very quickly.

    Clinton tried a low-level version of that in Michigan when she accused Sanders of not voting for the auto bailout…it was reported that there were gasps and ooohs in the crowd when she said that….after his victory the pundits suggest that OMG, moment was likely ‘ but that’s not really accurate’.

    He voted against the larger omnibus bail out for Wall Street but had previously supported bailouts of ‘Main Street’ like those middle class folks in the Michigan auto industry.

    But remember Tiger and his female problem. He was an avowed ‘cunnilgist’ as Bernie is an avowed’socialist’. American advertisers were displeased with his behaviour and dumped millions of his endorsements. He lost $50M in endorsements and earnings in ’09. A short four years later his earnings were over $70M again, according to Forbes.

    Trump has shortened that recovery act to DAYS…not years…and with more egregious blunders. So I am not as convinced as you that the peccadilloes of his sex life (barring physical abuse) will affect him in any way.

    Attack Trump yes but the main thrust must be on his economic nonsense policies. Also how many illegal immigrants has he employed over the years. Find TEN and his burial is announced.

    Identify clearly and strongly that he is simply playing a game…that he CANNOT do 50% of what he loudly claims. He will not initiate any special tariffs on trade because he will NOT start a trade wars. Get the hard numbers before the men and women on Main St who support his folly and show how many more jobs will be in jeopardy when the first round of reciprocal tariffs are levied.

    Continue to hit him on the hard stuff. Hard. The fluff stuff is just that…fluffy!


  37. Vincent Haynes March 10, 2016 at 9:20 AM #

    Nolan L. Fontaine’s photo.


  38. Vincent Haynes March 10, 2016 at 9:22 AM #

    The above was to share a photo of the Clintons and the Trumps having a grand time together…..did not workout.


  39. Sargeant March 10, 2016 at 9:22 AM #

    Hillary’s loss in Michigan portrays an enthusiasm gap among her likely supporters which will be exploited by the Republicans if they manage to get to a brokered convention and nominate someone other than Donald T. It’s a pity that the Democrats couldn’t come up with a young progressive politician a la Barack cause this corner is not “Feeling the Bern”.

    Donald T is the new “Teflon Don” nothing sticks to him as any politician who aired the views that he has publicly would be yesterday’s news, anyone who has done what he has done would be relegated to also ran territory. With apologies to Dylan “the times they are changing” but Donald married Marla Maples after they had a child and after public accusations of infidelity by the first Mrs. T and no one but no one ever refers to that, could you imagine if Senator Obama and Michelle had a child before they were married the scorn they would face from those evangelists that embrace Donald T as well as “moral” America for that “transgression”. (BTW the Americans never let a marketing opportunity slip, Marla is going to be one of the contestants in the show “Dancing with the Stars”).

    Donald T touts his virtues as a businessman and one thing he does well is give some people what they want, he is exploiting what a large percentage of white Americans say behind closed doors, the scorn for Mexicans, the dislike of immigrants, the belief that any immigrant who drives a nice car and lives in decent housing has somewhat “stolen their job”. Mitt Romney’s chances were effective scuttled when he spoke of the 47%, Teflon Don says he could shoot someone and get away with it and ask his supporters to give him the “Sieg Heil” salute, the times really are changing but not for the better.

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  40. Bush Tea March 10, 2016 at 10:42 AM #

    @ Sargeant
    When a society reaches the point where an effective prostitute and low life criminal – who happens to have evaded arrest because he was able to buy his way out of all attempts, can be SERIOUSLY considered for president, then you have to admit that there is no further down into the depths of despair that such a country can fall…

    What ‘dirt’ can ‘stick’ to a working D9 Caterpillar?
    What insults can offset a known whore?

    Barbados is REALLY bad – stuck with 30 blind JAs earnestly seeking to get as much $$$ for themselves as possible before their terms end…
    …but the USA is MANY TIMES WORSE.
    200M people with a choice between Hilary and Trump….versus 270K people being stuck with Froon and Mia…

    May as well sink on a moses as on a battleship…

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  41. pieceuhderockyeahright March 10, 2016 at 11:50 AM #


    You are as usual reasoning with a modicum of common sense

    Americans do not have that higher ground rational thought process.

    Look how as you and Sargeant point out Trump is using hir xenophobic shock statements each day and appealing to what 60 % “racism I’d alive and well In America” is thinking behind closed doors and note the points that he is gaining.

    At no point in my submission did I say abandon the other strategies that show him to be a dufus among dufuses on sound geopolitical strategy.

    Which serious man would, even before getting into the White House, seek to estrange the Mexican government home to the drug lords of Mexico and with ties to the ever strong Mafiosi which Lyndon B Johnson used to kill J.F. K? As an aside you do note that his sound bites while the call Mexicans rapists and criminals is devoid of drug cartel content?

    I am not interested in what his overt recovery skills seem to be I am focusing on the psyche of women that “believes that if the time for change can put a nigger in the White House” they must put a woman in!

    You do not understand women, neither do I but one ting de ole man know is dat when you abuse one, you have abused all and the same way that Russian Nanny who beheaded that baby she was baby sitting crying Allah Akbar WILL NOT BE FORGIVEN BY ANY WOMAN BECAUSE SHE KILLED A BABY, I am telling you that the Gender Vote, played up against his track record will, even though Americans have half life memories measured in days for some issues, WILL NOT SAVE DONALD FROM THE ONSLAUGHT OF “IT IS A WOMAN’s TIME”


  42. Well Well & Consequences March 10, 2016 at 12:17 PM #

    It is a woman’s time, but it should not be Hilary’s time, unfortunately, because of the dumb, retarded, racist Trump, it might just come to that, as nauseating as it is to right thinking females.



  43. Green Monkey March 10, 2016 at 1:55 PM #

    The Clinton Body Count, Updated!
    by Mike Rivero


    NEW! Updated for Hillary’s 2016 run!

    My thanks to everyone who took the time to write and suggest corrections. Many changes have been made to this list based on the info sent in and more will be added in the very near future.


    Vincent Foster

    Deputy White House Counsel

    Died: July 21, 1993

    Found dead in Ft. Marcy Park in Washington, DC, of a supposed suicide by gunshot. A suicide note was supposedly found a few days later, torn into several pieces, in his briefcase, after his office had been entered by White House staff and materials removed. The “suicide” note, (leaked despite official efforts to keep it from view) has since been revealed to be a forgery.

    The gun which he supposedly used to kill himself was reported to be still in his hand, but the person who first found the body reports that there was no gun at that time. Many irregularities surround the death and the investigation of it. For one thing, neither Foster’s fingerprints or blood were on the gun he supposedly inserted into his mouth and fired. There was no blood on Foster’s hands.

    Foster was also from Hope, Ark., like Clinton, and also worked for the Rose Law firm. Foster had intimate knowledge of the Clintons’ personal finances. Foster was involved in an investigation of their finances, and reportedly made a phone call to Hillary Clinton, in Los Angeles, just hours before his death. Foster had been called to testify to Congress about the records Hillary refused to turn over. Another possible motive for the murder relates to the Clinton Presidential Blind Trust, being prepared by Foster, but six months late. Testimony during the Whitewater hearings suggestsd the trust was fraudulent, with the Clintons retaining control over much of their finances, in order to profits from inside information.

    Recently, the signed report of M.E. Dr. Donald Haut was uncovered at the National Archives, proving that Foster had a previously unreported gunshot wound to his neck.

    Finally, an FBI memo surfaced dated the day after the date of the official autopsy, in which the autopsist informed the FBI that there was NO exit wound.

    Read more: http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/BODIES.php#ixzz42WW5wwDy


  44. Well Well & Consequences March 10, 2016 at 3:22 PM #

    Vincent….welcome to reality and not your fantasy. These are the klowlifes should be taught that all people are the same. Do you care to try telling them.



  45. David March 10, 2016 at 8:02 PM #

    Looks like Carson will endorse Trump tomorrow.


  46. ac March 10, 2016 at 8:30 PM #

    Look Green Monkey u better off writing about Monsanto seedlings first of all you believe in hatching all kinds of conspiracy theories therefore nobody going to take you seriously on politics ,,Secondly Vincent Foster kneeled over from a heart attack and the right wing nut cases have been on a witch hunt to implement the Clintons on the foster death to no avail ,,so look dude back up and back down and in the meanwhile pay attention and stay focus to the con artist in waiting Donald Trump as he slithered his way across America on his way to Pennsylvania Avenue hoping his official residence will be the Whites house which he most likely renamed The Trump White House


  47. Well Well & Consequences March 11, 2016 at 12:12 PM #

    AC..hush, pretending you care about anticorruption legislation and corrupt politicians suit you much better.

    Black men who endorse Trump are frightening.


    Carson was seen as the idiot he is from very early in the race, maybe this is his retaliation…frightening.


    Then they are the not too bright blacks promoting more problems. Can anyone say disaster just waiting to happen.



  48. Well Well & Consequences March 11, 2016 at 12:18 PM #

    And this is putting it mildly and the reason not even the whites trusted Carson



  49. David March 11, 2016 at 8:49 PM #

    America the land of the free!


  50. ac March 12, 2016 at 6:33 AM #

    last night thousands of protestors closed down the Trump planned meeting in Chicago chanting slogans against trump immigration and racist policies , Trumps rebuttal to the demonstration was to use his bully pulpit to state that the demonstration had nothing to do with his statements on immigration and racism but was due to jobs losses in Chicago


  51. Well Well & Consequences March 12, 2016 at 5:20 PM #

    This is called an unbridled, unbiased and oh so expertly analyzed opinion. Jones (Not Ronald) nailed it to the wall.

    Ricky Jones | Why I love Donald Trump

    Ricky L. Jones
    22 hours ago
    Google Plus
    I am watching with great amusement and satisfaction as political pundits and GOP stalwarts struggle with the reality that is Donald Trump. Michigan, Mississippi and Hawaii are among his latest conquests. He is now poised to march through Florida, Illinois, Missouri, North Carolina and Ohio.

    I, for one, am not surprised by Trump’s success. While others were still mired in doubt, I wrote last August that his candidacy should be taken seriously because he “is riding the same wave of willful ignorance and lowered expectations that elected George W. Bush twice and cast the ‘well-read’ Sarah Palin as a viable vice-presidential candidate.”

    The Courier-Journal
    Ricky Jones, professor and chair, University of Louisville’s Pan-African Studies Department
    To their detriment, more “respectable” Republican candidates initially ignored or poked fun at Trump. He dispatched them one by one. Like dominoes they fell – Jindal, Walker, Huckabee, Graham, Fiorina, Paul, Christie, Bush, Carson and a host of others. Only Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio and John Kasich remain, and they’re hanging by a thread.
    Trump is a far cry from the man the Huffington Post pledged to only cover as entertainment last year because its editors couldn’t fathom regarding him as a “real political figure.” I wonder what they think now that he is on the precipice of securing the Republican’s nomination.

    I love Trump, but not for the same reasons David Duke pulls him to his bosom. I love Trump because with every win he exposes the GOP and America for what they are. Trump doesn’t vote for himself – Americans do. Republicans and the country both need to deal with that truth.
    His ascendency has created a psychotic alternate universe where the GOP has plummeted to unexplored levels of mendacity or is so delusional that it should be dissolved. It is incredible that the party affixes racism or racial insensitivity to Trump when those ills have been at the core of its ideology. The party that has housed everyone from post-1948 Strom Thurmond to Jeff Sessions is on shaky ground when it attempts to pave a high road on race. It is, in fact, the place where racists who haven’t abandoned traditional politics altogether reside.

    Reaction to Ricky Jones column on Trump

    The GOP claims Trump is divisive and preys on people’s fears. They are correct but incomplete.
    To be sure, Trump taps into some of America’s nastiest cleavages, but these divisions have long been at the heart of Republican rhetoric and success. Yes, Trump offers simplistic, unattainable solutions to the unwashed, but he didn’t start that practice. The GOP has raced to the bottom and played upon the lack of understanding of the less intelligent, less educated, and disengaged for decades.
    The GOP criticizes, hates and even fears Trump, but he is their creation. They are the party of Joe the Plumber and Sarah Palin peeking at Russia from her porch. They are the defenders of the Confederate flag, misogyny, anti-civil rights initiatives, warmongering, homophobia, nativism and anti-intellectualism.

    They now turn their noses up in disgust as Trump’s supporters bully and attack people at rallies. They take umbrage as white supremacists declare allegiance to him. They cry foul, disavow them all, cast them out and brand them as “Trump’s people.” In reality, these are the Republicans’ people. The GOP created space for figures like them and Trump to exist and thrive. They are the worst among us and I love Trump for exposing it.
    It is the Republicans, not just Trump, who have tapped into a particular brand of meanness, closed-mindedness, racial animus and xenophobia always festering just beneath the surface of our country’s skin. Trump has just scratched hard and drawn blood for all to see. He is the GOP’s id made manifest without a superego to temper it. He is their Frankenstein’s monster running wild.
    He is saying nothing Republicans haven’t said repeatedly. He simply does not have the skill or care to veil it in the coded language of the political class. In many ways, Trump is less reprehensible than the disingenuous bigwigs claiming he is a threat to their party.
    No one should be shocked that Trump winning the Republican nomination is no longer just possible, but probable. It makes absolute sense. We are a country that celebrates the Kardashians, Snooki and Mob Wives. Couple that with GOP exploitation of that vacuousness and we have the witch’s brew that is Trump and his acolytes.

    So, yes – like the “poorly educated” I love Donald Trump, but for different reasons. Let him ride high, expose the GOP and America and lay their depravity low. Maybe we’ll grow from it.”

    Ricky L. Jones is the chair of the Pan-African Studies Department at the University of Louisville. He is the author of “Black Haze” and “What’s Wrong with Obamamania,” both available from SUNY Press. Follow him on Twitter @DrRickyLJones.


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