Authored by Professor Paul Connett with Climate Colorado and the Zero Waste Barbados Movement
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1. Sept meeting organized by the Future Island Trust (before this meeting organizers need to be briefed by Robert on how to organize the brainstorming […]to achieve these goals).
Need sponsors like the Rotarians, various hotel owners, Chamber of Commerce, farmers, university, Churches, B’s recycling, other waste companies, Zero Waste Barbados, Barbados renewable Energy group etc…
Need to brainstorm ideas for projects in the following areas and identify potential leaders, players and entrepreneurs. Throughout the discussion a high priority should be given to ways of maximizing jobs in each project area.
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Education for sustainability K 1 -12; University department for sustainability
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Sustainable Agriculture
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Sustainable and Clean water supply
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Sustainable Energy supply (Barbados Renewable Energy Association (?)
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Sustainable waste Management (Zero Waste Barbados; B’s recycling and more)
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Sustainable Tourism
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Sustainable transport
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Setting up a network of sustainable communities emphasizing both social and environmental justice.
2. These ideas written up to form basis for international summit in November (?). To be sent to all prospective participants.
3. International Summit for a Sustainable Barbados (dialogue between local ideas and international experience).
4. Results written up and the plan (a list of well-defined interlocking projects in the 8 areas) made available to all citizens via social media and the press. It will be an open question then whether the advancement of this plan will involve public or private money or a mixture of both. If government cancels Cahill project and opts instead to support this plan – then citizen-organizers will have oversight. If government refuses to support the plan citizen-organizers will be looking for local and international entrepreneurial and charitable support for each of the projects and overall orchestration of the plan.
What is happening with B’s? The public is complaining he is not paying for deposits? We seem to be going backwards.
Would any minister of government be bold enough to accompany Cahill to a US Bank meeting and would it need to be sanctioned by the cabinet? Can FATCA help Barbados reduce graft payments deposited in offshore accounts and corruption?
THE TWO MAJOR PARTS NOW SPLIT IN THREE, STRUCK BY SKULDUGGERY. Words taken from the 1989 classic by RPB called ”The Country Ent Well”. Susan asks about Cabinet sanction. My Dear Lady the word is that there are two factions that shout down each other, while the rest hang on for dear life. That’s what we’ve come to in Barbados. Rather than try to intimidate the young leaders of the labor movement, the Prime Minister should tell us if St James or Bay Street is the official residence of Cabinet. Then again….perhaps even he doan know!
@Susan
Are you suggesting a cabinet minister accompanied ‘players’ to a US bank to do what?
David, surely Susan is asking one of these implausible rhetorical questions in order to highlight the absurdity of the situation!
She must be indicating that the corruption is so blatant that the ministers involved might as well openly display the perfidy and continue to join hands with Cahill on a funding request.
After all her thoughts can’t be any more far-fetched than the ideas and plans as presented to us over these last several months.
If anyone had posed the scenarios visited here as questions like the one presented by Susan they would have been dismissed as implausible too, not so!
They often say that ‘life is stranger than fiction’. This matter certainly validates that.
“IN THE MUCH HEATED NATIONAL DISCOURSE on the waste to energy plant a very interesting concept of zero waste has been put to Barbados by Professor Paul Connett.” – See more at:
http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/70874/finding-eco-intelligence#sthash.rLbeldNH.dpuf
“Zero Waste Scotland is helping Scotland to become more efficient in its use of resources.
The context in which we operate
As a facilitator and enabler of change, we help to reduce waste, increase energy efficiency and promote responsible water use – all as part of a journey towards a low-carbon, sustainable economy.
Our goal is to help Scotland eliminate waste. By waste we mean any natural asset which is not used to its full potential.
To achieve this goal, we pursue activities aligned to two complementary approaches: circular economy and resource efficiency.
The circular economy concept encompasses a range of strategies which ensure that materials are kept within productive use, in a high value state, for as long as possible, and that plant-based elements are returned to the biosphere in a sustainable way. It focuses on reshaping business and economic systems so that waste is ‘designed out’ of how we live.
Resource efficiency is a much broader term, encompassing actions to conserve and maximise the efficient use of energy and water as well as raw materials. Its benefits are primarily about enhancing competitiveness and reducing the environmental impact of resource use.
Our work supports the delivery of Scottish Government policy, including: the Climate Change (Scotland) Act (2009), the Zero Waste Plan (2010), Low Carbon Scotland (2013), Safeguarding Scotland’s Resources (2013) and the forthcoming national litter strategy.
How we work
We combine circular economy and resource efficiency strategies to help achieve our goal of eliminating waste in all its forms.
All our activities address one of three core principles:
Resources should be used as efficiently as possible
Fewer resources should be lost to the economy in the form of waste
More value should be added to secondary resources within the economy
By taking action in these areas, our work benefits the Scottish economy as well as the global and local environment.”
http://www.zerowastescotland.org.uk/
I wonder if the popo spends as much time spying and monitoring persons of influence and politicians as they do the ordinary citizens?
The Zero Waste Barbados Movement will be promoting the circular economy to create employment with the help of Climate Colorado. International partners are lining up to donate time and expertise towards the new paradigm shift. We hope that Dr Denis Lowe will engage the movement is the most positive way in the interest of country
Kammie, regarding your question above the latter one, are you asking a direct question? Or is your query one of those tricky questions one usually sees on jeopardy nightly?
@Kammie
Goo stuff!
Don’t be sidetracked by idiots.
On 15 August 2015 at 14:19, Barbados Underground wrote:
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Kammie it is the job of law enforcement in Barbados and elsewhere in the world to enforce the criminal code, and if that calls for spying and monitoring the citizenry, or the movers and shakers and power-brokers in Bridgetown so be it. When the national-security of a country is threatened, I would only hope that the law-enforcement-elements responsibility for ensuring the safety and security of all the citizenry, consider the high office official part and parcel of their surveillance protocol. Nevertheless, I have a question for you though Kammie: who is charged with policing the police that enforces the criminal-code?
@ David
What is happening with B’s? The public is complaining he is not paying for deposits? We seem to be going backwards.
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Bushie is trying to rationalise an environment where one entity is PAYING CASH to persons delivering items to their gates…
…..while another entity is CHARGING a levy to the government (people of Barbados) for every ton of the same items received at its gate…
..and where the Government itself has just introduced a ‘tipping fee’ to anyone who dares to deliver said ‘items’ to the gates of the government facilities.
Some shiite don’t seem right!!!
Boss…
If you put a jackass in the driver’s seat you would be shocked and the variety of ways in which common sense can be assaulted….
We are behind you, Kammie!
Is there any other place besides B’s that takes plastic? I’ve been storing up all mine for months and was wondering why my regular guy hasn’t passed for them.
@ Donna
Is there any other place besides B’s that takes plastic?
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Thanks to Stinkliar’s innovative tipping fee, Bushie’s best guess is that we will revert to the good old gullies…
This shiite makes ‘Animal Farm’ look like common sense….
You should be recycling plastic into something useful…like.. zip lock handcuffs
People searching and scratching their brains trying to find sensible solutions to Waste and here comes this toothless pathetic moron bush sh.it givingvadvise to throw plastics in the gullies of Barbados ..all because his dead a.ss too cheap to pay for the upkeep of BBE planet. What a f king jerk
If the Canadian scammer thinks she has ownership of all the garbage on the island for this plant of hers then how can we start the campaign to zero waste ???
When does our garbage become her garbage???
@Kammie,
In a previous blog I asked who was behind the funding of the Future Centre Trust? Don’t we want transparency in everything?
@Bushie,
I have the original advertisement inviting Tenders for the establishment of a waste/garbage separation plant (Later registered as SBRC. Including the proposed fee fot the delivery of the garbage. Do you want me to publish it on BU? I think I will at the appropriate time.
This “idiot” keeps copies of such things.
@Bushie,
I will copy the invitation to tender for the eventual SBRC, but since the Cahill matter is so much in the public eye, and since so many people seemed to be so surprised about Government’s intention to have a waste to energy plant constructed, here is the original invitation to tender from 2010.:
TENDER
Sanitation Service Authority In Barbados: Build, Operate, Transfer Waste To The Energy Plant At The Solid Waste Management Complex In St. Thomas, Barbados
Funded by
Other – Other
Location
Barbados
Status
Deadline
Proposal due on 16 Aug 2010
The Government of Barbados through the Sanitation Service Authority is requesting Expressions of Interest from contractors for the design build operate finance and transfer a Waste to Energy Plant at the Solid Waste Management Complex in Vaucluse, St. Thomas, Barbados. Bidders will be expected to construct and operate a facility which can convert between 300 tonnes and 550 tonnes of predominately municipal solid waste into electricity, to be sold to the grid operator. Bid documents comprised of the bidding procedures, bid forms, conditions of contract, specifications and drawings may be obtained from the Sanitation Service Authority between the hours of 0900 and 1630, Monday to Friday commencing Wednesday 16 June 2010 at the address provided below. Bid documents and background data are also available on the SSA Planroom website. Details and passwords will be provided to proponents upon registration with the Authority.
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TO BUILD OPERATE TRANSFER A WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY
Waste Management
Call for expression of interest to prequalify contractors; RFP# BAR WTEF 2010-03
16 August 2010
The Government of Barbados through the Sanitation Service Authority is requesting Expressions of Interest from contractors for the design build operate finance and transfer a Waste to Energy Plant at the Solid Waste Management Complex in Vaucluse, St. Thomas, Barbados.
Bidders will be expected to construct and operate a facility which can convert between 300 tonnes and 550 tonnes of predominately municipal solid waste into electricity, to be sold to the grid operator.
Bid documents comprised of the bidding procedures, bid forms, conditions of contract, specifications and drawings may be obtained from the Sanitation Service Authority between the hours of 0900 and 1630, Monday to Friday commencing Wednesday 16 June 2010 at the address provided below.
Bid documents and background data are also available on the SSA Planroom website. Details and passwords will be provided to proponents upon registration with the Authority.
Interested parties will not be allowed to visit the site without prior knowledge of the Sanitation Service Authority.
Expressions of Interest should be submitted with the appropriate forms in sealed envelopes marked Build Operate Transfer a Waste To Energy Facility and should be addressed to The Chairman of the Sanitation Service Authority to reach him no later than 1600 hours, Monday 16 August 2010. Late submissions will not be accepted.
A short list of prequalified companies will be invited to submit formal proposals following review of the Expressions of Interest.
The cost of preparing the Expressions of Interest and subsequent Proposal will be solely that of the interested companies.
Requests for further information or any queries should be directed to the Manager, Sanitation Service Authority in writing at the address below, or by fax.
Interested parties should be aware that the Labour Clauses (Public Contracts) Act CAP 349 will, in so far as is applicable to the submission, apply to any contract made in respect of a future bid and the company will be required to submit a certificate of eligibility in this respect. Full details of the conditions of the Act CAP 349 may be obtained from the Chief Labour Officer, Labour Department, Warrens Office Complex, Warrens, St. Michael, Barbados.
All interested parties must include with their submissions a copy of the Company’s Certificate of Incorporation as evidence of the fact that the Company is an existing registered Company as at the date of submission. Failure to provide the Certificate of Incorporation will render the submission void. The Certificate must be in the name of the company expressing interest.
Local companies are advised that the Certificate of Incorporation referred to above means a Certificate of Incorporation issued under the 1985 Companies Act of Barbados or where applicable a Certificate of Continuance and/or a Certificate of Amalgamation or a Certificate of Amendment. Certificates must be dated after December 31, 1984.
Any firm incorporated outside of Barbados that is eventually awarded a Contract by the Government of Barbados must register in Barbados under the Companies Act of Barbados.
No submission will be considered unless it complies with the conditions set out in this Notice and Request for Expression of Interest Documents.
The Sanitation Service Authority does not bind itself to accept any submission.
Sanitation Service Authority.
2nd Floor, National Petroleum Corporation Building.
Wildey, St. Michael, Barbados.
Fax: (246) 436-2683
The above is essentially the same as the original procurement notice.
UPDATE, 15 June 2010:
This notice was originally published on 11 June 2010 and has been updated on 15 June 2010. See addition in bold below.
A non-refundable fee of BDS $200 is charged for each set of Bid Documents obtained.
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Bushie,
More on this will follow later. You will notice that the terms never envisioned more than 500 tons daily (Between 300 and 500 tons). So those who were talking about 1000 tons did not know what they were/are talking about. The invitation to tender clearly states that it is to be a B.O.L.T. arrangement. Note also that there is NO indication that the Government of Barbadoa would finance the construction and/or operation. So those talking about it costing the people of Barbados over 700 million dollars (I think the figures (spread by rumour mongers) have reached over a billion dollars now) should note the conditions of the invitation to tender for expressions of interest. Not to do the actual building (construction).
Did ANY local companies or entities explore this in 2010?
I told you I keep copies of these documents, just in case.
IDIOT!!!!
Why did Mr Sinckler say that the project was not required to be tendered as it was a PPP?
How many firms responded to this RFP, what were their track records and what technologies did they propose to use?
Did Cahill respond to the RFP? What technology did they propose to use? What did they say their track record was?
How many firms were prequalified to submit tenders?
Was Cahill one of those firms?
What was the basis of the tender issued?
Did the tender conditions keep the waste requirement at 300 – 550 tonnes or did it change it to 1000 tonnes?
Did the tender conditions keep the requirement for power to be sold to the grid operator or did it change it to Government purchase?
When did the concept of Government providing king grass free of charge get incorporated? Was it in the issued tender documents, or was it added later?
How many tenders were submitted? How did they compare commercially and in terms of proposed technology?
Did a tenders committee review and recommend Cahill’s tender as the best on a commercial and technological basis?
@Alvin Cummins, the Future Centre Trust operate from begging and is an apolitical environmental NGO. Its nefarious to imply otherwise just because you are a political operative. So damn disappointing coming from a persons who can do more than put political party before wellbeing of country.
@Alvin Cummins, I know the document from whence you quote you can perhaps tell the whole truth and mention that Bizzy and other local groups were shortlisted then ignored
What is the circular economy?
The circular economy is an alternative to our ‘make, use, dispose’ culture which means re-using products and materials continually.
https://youtu.be/V8us1Mk1Z8U
Time is of great essense for the anteater who eat ants in abundance without compassion is soon eaten by the said ants. FATCA will be the friend of Bajans in the very near future under a political dispensation outside of B or D.
https://barbadosunderground.wordpress.com/2014/10/24/bs-recycling-barbados-versus-cahill-plasma-gasification-waste-to-energy
https://youtu.be/V8us1Mk1Z8U
The European is a peculiar race. This group has brought destruction to our planet through their insatiable appetite for mother’s earth natural resources. This carnage and destruction has spanned a mere 500 years. Yet, during this short period they have brought more destruction to this planet than the totality of their predecessors since the creation of Adam and Eve.
Sadly, there maligned influence has been assimilated and is now been practised by the vast majority of nations. Over the last fifty years there has been a kick back to this casual disregard to our planet. There have been many individuals and groups who have found alternative lifestyles in order to live in harmony with mother earth.
When I hear the word sustainability mentioned I always raise my eyebrows. The Negro lived a sustainable lifestyle prior to the intervention of the white man. My grandparent’s practised sustainable living on their farm way before the word “sustainability” became a fashionable word used by so-called knowledgeable white people. When an animal was killed it was sold and distributed within their community. Surplus produce was given freely to family members and people from their village.
I can remember when I first visited my grandparents they did not have any electricity. They lived within their means. They lived sustainable lives. They had the practical mind set of villagers.
We do not need the zero waste Barbados movement or Professor Connett to educate and bamboozle us with their Johnny come-lately ideas. Barbados needs to revisit her past. The way forward is clear. We need to strengthen our villages and local communities. They need to become autonomous regions free of government and foreign influence and control.
Left to their own devices a village and a community will find solutions to their problems; they will develop sustainable growth and will grow an appropriate local economy.
http://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2015/aug/14/five-eco-villages-around-the-world
preach bro, the white mans greed has taken control of what is right in so much he forgets! convoluted! circumvent ! recycle ole messages into new packaging in his race to sustain his livelihood .
We are where we are because of what they told us, Yes the old generation had it right, There were innovators and respectfully guarded and protected the environment.
Just take one look around at the many high rise buildings concrete monsters that are supposed to provide adequacy for a better way of life which instead block natures apparatus of providing adequate cooling across the landscape by way of ocean breeze, Whose idea was that,? What happen to nature? Hmmm eventually nature always fight back inevitably reminding and taking us back to the past where we belong,
Kammie
Good luck with your idealist dream because you’re in for a rude awakening if think for one moment that you can induce the Barbadian people to accept any idea overnight.
It has been said justly, that there is food for the soul as well as food for the body; and the analogy may be pursued by remarking that it is difficult to induce a people to change its national diet overnight.
Do you not know, or haven’t you not read that the fish in lake Baikal have taken thousands of years, it is said to transformed themselves from salt-water to fresh-water?
And it will likewise take decades or probably centuries to convinced the Barbadian people who have been living on a national diet of ideas for centuries to seek the nourishment of solider ideas and beliefs and that the whole of their intellectual life will by degrees, be transformed and renewed overnight.
zero waste an old concept being touted as new except that some of the driving forces were also the creators of what they say we are doing wrong today, ,innovators of getting a second a third bite at the apple, whipping up frenzy and fear with calculated intention knowing full well that the outcome would eventually revert us back to square one
People are sick and tired of being shoveled back and forth in time, with philosophies that fatten and enriched a few ,while others having to retool and rethink convert and adjust to a “new” formula with unhappy endings.
The time is fast approaching when rebellious ideas would enter having formulas that demands with unpleasantness which sanitize ! correct! and retool with a vibrancy of character to harness correct methods once and for all
@ Kammie,
You said the Future Centre gets funding by begging. I have no doubt it does, and there was nothing nefarious in my questioning. You, and others always speak of transparency when it comes to Government, do not these same standards apply to NGOs? You still have not told us who is Behind the FCT.
The copy of the Tender I posted on the blog was with regard to the WASTE TO ENERGY to be constructed. I have no idea who tendered for it. The other Tender ( which I did not post yet) was for the Waste (Garbage) separation plant. I have no idea who tendered for it, but to say that Bizzy tendered for it and was ignored cannot be true. SBRC got the contract, and as far as I know that is Bizzy’s company. Is this not true? By the way, since you know that a number of local entities were short listed, there has to be a great degree of transparency, not true?
Again an important part of any tender is the government’s right not to accept any tender.
“No submission will be considered unless it complies with the conditions set out in this Notice and Request for Expression of Interest Documents.
The Sanitation Service Authority does not bind itself to accept any submission.”
Are you like; or getting like, Bushie and the yard ducks? Because I seek to put the record straight it is immediately assumed that it is politically inspired? You are a scientist (I assume) so therefore you must be familiar with independence of thought. There was nothing political in asking who is funding the Future Centre trust. I told you already, I was there when it began. The operative word is, Transparency. I have my answer. Isn’t there someone else who is entering the recycling business; apart from government, destined to be serious competition for B’s recycling? My advice to Mr. Bynoe is to get these videos projected on local television (as advertising) consistently to educate the public. It is a message that has to be reinforced.
@St. George’s Dragon, I do not know all the intricacies of the tendering process, but I DO know that the Tenders committee, made up of senior trusted Civil Servants, among others are very strict about the consideration of tenders,( They refuse to accept Tenders submitted even one minute after the closing time, all tender documents are put in a box and sealed and put in safekeeping until the Tenders committee meets and come to their decision.) and the award of the tender is transmitted to the winning bid, when everything is considered. Conditions of a bid cannot be changed until the bid is awarded.
@Alvin
You are correct that it ironic you, a Government apologist, resist calls for transparency by government but want to flip the script. Let all guardians of public private sector projects be encouraged to be transparent.
There is a fundamental issue here. Did Cahill go through a tender process or not? Mr Sinckler says they didn’t have to. Alvin Cummins appears to be saying that they did.
@St.Georges Dragon
Not only did Sinckler said its their money therefore not necessary, Cowan admitted to that process as well or lack of. Alvin only knows what he reads in the online space.
@@David,
“Alvin only knows what he reads in the online space.” You should add in other places also. It seems that other people do not. I submitted above the advertisement from the government; with a closing date of August 2010, but you people did not seem to read. The TENDER was for “Expressions of interest…” Cahill must have “Expressed interest” to be chosen. The other details would have been in the Tender documents. There is no conflict in the statements. I would not have been privy to any discussions between the parties. The government was accused of lack of transparency. I sought to shed some light on the issue.
The following is from the advertisement copied above:
Proposal due on 16 Aug 2010
The Government of Barbados through the Sanitation Service Authority is requesting Expressions of Interest from contractors for the design build operate finance and transfer a Waste to Energy Plant at the Solid Waste Management Complex in Vaucluse, St. Thomas, Barbados. Bidders will be expected to construct and operate a facility which can convert between 300 tonnes and 550 tonnes of predominately municipal solid waste into electricity, to be sold to the grid operator.
@St. George’s Dragon.
It would seem obvious that they went through the process of EXPRESSING THEIR INTEREST in the project, which is all that would have been required in the initial stage. Since it was advertised in the newspapers it was open to ANYONE who wanted to be interested in the project.
@St. George’s Dragon what is probably confusing you about the tonnage is that the home page of SBRC makes mention of about 1000 tons of garbage daily aNd this is what the original fee for delivery of this garbage was based on.
@David,
What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
@Alvin
What is the difference between and expression of interest and a formal tender?
An expression of interest is advertised when Government is looking for firms to tender for something but prior to the issue of the tender. In theory it allows firms to produce information on their suitability to go on the shortlist of firms who will actually be asked to tender.
Relevant information might include track record of similar projects carried out, financial stability and capability based on previous year’s accounts etc.
I wonder how many expressions of interest the Cowan woman got from her CIM
And how many formal due diligences have been done on PPA and the IA based on plasma ????
All she needs is 1 to extricate herself from the mess she has created
Pay off the 5 million she owes take a payout an a possible 30 year annuity all paid for by the people of Barbados
An expression of interest is NOT a formal request for proposal.
Any company or government worth its salt would have a pre qualifying form that needed to be filled in by all interested parties prior to any tender documents being released to qualified interested parties .
If a pre qual doc were filled in by Cahill way back then they would have been automatically disqualified from the race…….
They had no history
No projects executed
No balance sheet
And in fact no company
All the dancing around this issue boils down to one thing .
It’s a money grab pure and simple
And we the people are the ones footing the bill.
@Mocking bird.(Look up what a mocking bird is).
As David pointed out, “An expression is NOT a formal request for proposal. After persons have tendered their expressions of interest, the most qualified, based on the documents submitted to the tenders committee, would be invited to submit the necessary documentation for pre qualification.
You have got to be kidding to try to imply that the CIVIL SERVANTS (P.S. etc, down the line, ) and the Tenders Committee who have been handling hundreds if not thousands of Tenders for all sorts of projects over the years, do not know what they are doing. All in attempt to vilify Ms. Cowan, Cahill, or to try to score political points against the government?
Why do you try to denigrate your own people so much? You people are really sick!!
Oh now the scavengers of the WTE plant with intent to demolish! oh No! they don.t want the truth, However in the final lap the truth wins out, There goes your fifteen minutes of fame mocking bird,
Kammie has been pushing a litter tax for some time now. We see too much KFC, Chefette and other fast food litter all over the place. Make them pay. What about the enforcement legislation Low promised many months ago? We can to begin to fine Bajans by the bus loads. We need to fight back! There is an inbred mindset we have to fix.
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When govts make business pay they pass the cost on to the consumer, a reality which Zero waste advocates would have to confront as they try to sell this concept to govts of developing nations,
You’re missing the point
There was no tendering process for the tendering committee to review and approve .
I wasn’t demeaning any of the worker bees here
Due process was clearly not followed
In awarding this sweetheart contract to a shell company
Alvin Cummins;
I think the BU family should thank you for publishing the 2011 document in which the SSA invited expressions of interest for a 300-500 tpd WtE facility. That document, even without background documentation, has expanded our knowledge of the progenitors of the WTE project and would have hinted why Cabinet would have mandated that further action, after the signature of the Cahill document, should be taken out of the hands of the Ministers and lodged firmly in the SSA where prosecution of any WtE project at Vaucluse should have resided in the first place.
However, you should recognize that in offering us that peep at the early document, you might have dug a deeper hole in respect of the apparent lack of transparency evidenced by the Government in subsequent prosecution of that fledgling project.
It is clear, from looking at a chronology of the Cahill scam, that the Cahill plasma gasification project is an almost entirely different kettle of fish from the project for which SSA invited expressions of interest. Your conflating of the two projects is therefore inadvertently disingenuous.
The scope is different.
The technology is different.
The scale is different.
The apparent “tendering” methodology is different.
Check the now voluminous information on the Cahill deal that is on BU.
Perhaps what is now needed is for Government to become transparent on its WtE plans and perhaps let the people know exactly what transpired between SSA giving up on the proposed 3-500 tpd facility and the Government’s acceptance of the 1000 tpd Cahill project as is evident from Up-beat 2013 press releases and the facts released by ME Claire Cowan herself.
But that, of course, is a pipe dream.
Alvin Cummins, you perhaps have a masters in spin and probably is well paid for the defence of bad governance. Greenland had the same partisan political operatives. Nothing will change unless we have ITAL and FOIA for the DLP and BLPare fundamentally the same at deception and theatrics just to control the country`s purse string. Sad, but future generations will put the baby boomers on trial in absentia for corruption of their legacy
@ Are we there…,
I aim to please. The problem in the country is that people ( a large number) do not read things that are published by government. I remember the brouhaha when the Conference centre (LES) was being built, there was a model on display, and yet people did not go to see it and find out as much as they could, but were highly critical of it. That’s why, for instance that the proposed concert hall; included in the original plans, was never completed; a concert hall I might add that was supposed to be the home of the National Youth orchestra
Anyhow, I will always try to enlighten with whatever knowledge I have.
I would also say that there is a difference between a supporter and an apologist.
@ Kamie;
You are obviously too young to have heard the phrase “I don’t rice at you” and understand its significance.
Well I Alvin Cummins don’t rice at anyone. I am not paid by anyone for my thoughts or actions in support of the Democratic Labour Party. When I made my decision in 1965 to follow the philosophy of the party, I went according to my conscience. I have supported them since then. I have been highly critical of them many times and have expressed these opinions at annual conferences of the party. I have supported and rejected resolutions of delegates and constituencies when they came up for consideration.
So judge me differently. I do not criticize just for the sake of criticizing or follow like a yard duck. I think for myself, and if these thoughts are different from the crowd, these are still my thoughts and opinions, and I will hold on to them until I am convinced in my mind that I am wrong then I will give in,
Alvin Cummins August 16, 2015 at 7:13 PM #
“I remember the brouhaha when the Conference centre (LES) was being built, there was a model on display, and yet people did not go to see it and find out as much as they could, but were highly critical of it. That’s why, for instance that the proposed concert hall; included in the original plans, was never completed;”
Alvin Cummins,
Presumably, you went to see the model of the Lloyd Erskine Sandiford Conference Centre, and just the sight of the model convinced you that it should have been built. Remember, everybody’s brain doesn’t work that way.
On the other hand, Barbadians recognized that they were dealing with a “monkey handling gun” situation. They realized that Sandiford had already brought, and was bringing more destruction to the Barbadian economy. They had lost confidence in PM Sandiford and pleaded with him to put the scarce money and other available resources to better use. For them, it was simply a matter of misplaced national priorities at the time. And here you come accusing Barbadians of criticizing the project because they did not go to see ” a model on display”?
Are you serious?
By the way, I believe that any part of the Lloyd Erskine Sandiford Conference Centre that was left unfinished ended up in that state because the government ran out of money (cost overruns and “frigging in the rigging”?). As Barbadians would say,”they started before they were ready”.
one thing ac can absolutely say about the BLP misfits they are the magicians of speculations and presumptions
Walter Blackman August 16, 2015 at 7:55 PM #
Alvin Cummins August 16, 2015 at 7:13 PM #
“I remember the brouhaha when the Conference centre (LES) was being built, there was a model on display, and yet people did not go to see it and find out as much as they could, but were highly critical of it. That’s why, for instance that the proposed concert hall; included in the original plans, was never completed;”
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Alvin Cummins,
Presumably, you went to see the model of the Lloyd Erskine Sandiford Conference Centre, and just the sight of the model convinced you that it should have been built. Remember, everybody’s brain doesn’t work that way.
how does one read Alvin cummins comment and makes the following conclusion,truly a masterful commentary of political gimmickry
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a read of Mr Cummins statement indicates he was making an assessment based on what he knew and not assuming or presuming what he had no knowledge of .Whether or not his assessment was a cause for the the plans being abandoned is debatable, but to assessed his analogy as one where mr,cummins was naive is political poppy cock
Don’t come to me with that Walter. I not only saw the model, but I looked at the drawings; the office was in the West Wing of the Public Buildings. The reason the concert hall was not finished was the same reason the St. Joseph Hospital was left to decay to nothing, when the BLP won the election. Pure malicious spite.
The part that was left unfinished ended up in that state because the government ran out of money. Bull !!. It was a conscious decision by the Barbados Labour Party which won the election; while the conference centre was still being constructed ,(Remember it was the Chinese who took over the construction) not to finish that part of the building. Over the years its usefulness has been proven time and time again. The motto of the Barbados Workers Union has been “Where there is no Vision, the people Perish.” Erskine Sandiford’s vision was also criticized when he proposed the Barbados Community College as a sixth form school. That vision has been justified, even though it was vilified at the time.
Many Many Barbadians, even today, have no vision and make no attempt to look into the distance.
Don’t come to me with that Walter. I not only saw the model, but I looked at the drawings;
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CLASSIC!!!
LOL ha ha ha…
OHHH shiirt!!
Bushie belly ….!!!
Wah loss…
Wunna see why it is futile to argue with a ….. ahhh ..let’s say a person of diminished mental capacity.
@ Alvin
Don’t know what those damn doctors told you last years, skippa ….but they DEFINITELY removed part of your brain…
Bushie is yet to determine whether you should sue their asses …. or thank them…
Alvin Cummins August 16, 2015 at 7:27 PM #
” I think for myself, and if these thoughts are different from the crowd, these are still my thoughts and opinions, and I will hold on to them until I am convinced in my mind that I am wrong….”
Walter Blackman August 16, 2015 at 7:55 PM #
“I believe that any part of the Lloyd Erskine Sandiford Conference Centre that was left unfinished ended up in that state because the government ran out of money (cost overruns and “frigging in the rigging”?)”
Alvin Cummins,
“Bull !!”
No need for us to argue on this one, Alvin. Just read and reflect, my friend.
Will the Cahill plasma gasification plant have a lot of ‘steal’ in there?
Cahill just like citizens cane and able could easily regester their expression of interest for this work
But once the pre qual forms were filled out honestly and with the correct documentation the people interrogating the truthfulness of the assertions of Cahill real capabilities they would not pass the first gate.
@David,
Lots of room for commissions and cost over runs.
http://khaleejtimes.com/business/local/uae-economy-set-to-surge-4.4-to-cross-440-billion
They are much better at facilitation fees then we are
And the deep pockets to not miss it
@David,
So what is the difference between the UK “invitation” and the SSA invitation?
The SSA invitation to tender:
The Government of Barbados through the Sanitation Service Authority is requesting Expressions of Interest from contractors for the design build operate finance and transfer a Waste to Energy Plant at the Solid Waste Management Complex in Vaucluse, St. Thomas, Barbados. Bidders will be expected to construct and operate a facility which can convert between 300 tonnes and 550 tonnes of predominately municipal solid waste into electricity,
The U K invitation:
Government-department UK Trade & Investment is attempting to drum up interest in two energy-from-waste projects in the Middle East.
The proposed plants, both in the Northern Emirates region, are planned by the United Arab Emirates Ministry of Environment & Water (MoEW).
Planned for Ras Al Khaimah, the biggest of the two project will process around 700,000 tonnes per year.
The second smaller plant, planned for Fujairah will have a capacity of 108,000 tonnes per year. Both plants are intended to be energy recovery facilities.
The MoEW has issued a request for interested business, which must be received by 15 September.
Further details of the project and how to register an interest are available on the UKTI website
See what I tell you about US!!! We denigrate ours when there is no difference.Bob Marley said it: Mental slavery.
@Mocking Bird,
How do you know what documents were submitted? Were you part of the Tenders Committee? If so are you not held to adherence to the Official Secrets Act that binds Civil Servants to secrecy? Or does that no longer hold effect?
What do you KNOW of Cahil, apart of suppositions, rumour and untruths.
Come on people; Yard ducks too. Grow up.
@Alvin
You are so stuck on your point there is never room to allow for reason. The point some of us are trying to make is the invitation to vendors for expressions of interest is a first step to qualify vendors. We might have had the first step in Barbados but there is no evidence a request for tender was floated by government to support the configuration of the WtE plant being proposed by government and Cahill. BU is willing to be corrected.
Alvin;
The Cahill scam does not show a natural progression from the early WtE project that was being run by SSA as indicated in the SSA’s call for expressions of interest. The projects have turned out to be actually two different projects, possibly because 4 naive ministers got involved in the SSA project cycle, apparently without technical input, and thereby changed it considerably from what had been intended in the original project into a nightmare.
David;
Your 9:18 am post explains the situation perfectly. Alvin does not stop, review the evidence and then revise his attack based on the preponderance of the evidence. He just presses on regardless.
Mr Cummins ignore the BLP misfits they are running out of steam on this issue so much that the word”expression” is now being used as a necessary exercise to define and explore what govt did in reference to having the project tendered. Just a bunch of intellectual yahoos on a mission to irritate and aggravate what u have presented as a plausible and rationale ex plantation whereby govt made the decision to accept Cahill proposals after two years of “expression”publicly with no homegrown or outside response
Cahill have the contract for 18 months
What have they done with it ???
NOTHING !!!!!!!!!
Where is the transparency this government promised?
David August 17, 2015 at 2:08 PM #
“Where is the transparency this government promised?”
This DLP administration left “transparency” the same place they articulated it.
Under the caption “22 GOOD GOVERNANCE” on pages 46 to 48 of their 2008 election manifesto.
And they will continue to leave it there just where they want it. Who cares about the people who put them where they are? We were just a means to an end.
Has the media relinquished its role by not holding the government accountable? If one listens to George Pilgrim one wouldn’t think so.
@David,
So what is the difference between the UK “invitation” and the SSA invitation?
The SSA invitation to tender reads:
“The Government of Barbados through the Sanitation Service Authority is requesting Expressions of Interest from contractors for the design build operate finance and transfer a Waste to Energy Plant at the Solid Waste Management Complex in Vaucluse, St. Thomas, Barbados. Bidders will be expected to construct and operate a facility which can convert between 300 tonnes and 550 tonnes of predominately municipal solid waste into electricity,”
The U K invitation reads:
“Government-department UK Trade & Investment is attempting to drum up interest in two energy-from-waste projects in the Middle East.
The proposed plants, both in the Northern Emirates region, are planned by the United Arab Emirates Ministry of Environment & Water (MoEW).
Planned for Ras Al Khaimah, the biggest of the two project will process around 700,000 tonnes per year.
The second smaller plant, planned for Fujairah will have a capacity of 108,000 tonnes per year. Both plants are intended to be energy recovery facilities.
The MoEW has issued a request for interested business, which must be received by 15 September.
Further details of the project and how to register an interest are available on the UKTI website”
See what I tell you about US!!! We denigrate ours when there is no difference.
Bob Marley said it: Mental slavery.
@Mocking Bird,
How do you know what documents were submitted? Were you part of the Tenders Committee? If so are you not held to adherence to the Official Secrets Act: that binds Civil Servants to secrecy? Or does that no longer hold effect?
“Cahill have the contract for 18 months
What have they done with it ??”
Contract to do what? Articulate!
What do you KNOW of Cahil, apart from suppositions, rumour and untruths.
Notice, this advertisement for expressions of interest from the United Arab Emirates, comes FIVE years AFTER the Barbados Government (SSA) advertised. Barbados is five years ahead. Do we want to stay ahead or do we want to regress? Note also that the United Arab Emirates uses the U.K. to seek out interested parties “to drum up interest in two waste-to-energy plants, The Barbados ADVERTISEMENT IS “REQUESTING EXPRESSIONS OF INTEREST FROM CONTRACTORS FOR THE DESIGN, BUILD, OPERATE, FINANCE, AND TRANSFER A WASTE TO ENERGY PLANT…”
WHERE IS THE DIFFERENCE??? Where is the talk about “transparency” in the U.K advertisement? You talk of the need to reduce bureaucracy, and yet you put all sorts of nebulous obstacles in the way of progressive policies seeking investment from outside the country. Always seeking to PULL DOWN our own.
Are we there yet:
How come it is so easy for me to understand that there were two projects: (one to get investors, and 2 to get the investors and the investment to design Build Operate and transfer.
There was no requirement for the person securing the investment (Cahill?) to construct etc. It is obvious that this is ; has to be; different tenders for different projects. The same way for the UK advertisement for “interested persons to tender their expressions of interest”
Is it because I have an open mind and not one closed like Bushie’s BB.
I’ll bet you that both of these projects in the UAE will depend on the importation of waste (garbage) from other places such as Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and other countries in the same region.
@David:
“…there is no evidence a request for tender was floated by government to support the configuration of the WtE plant being proposed by government and Cahill. BU is willing to be corrected.”
A look at the copy of the advertisement from SSA in no way talks about any configuration of the WTE plant proposed by Cahill and Government. The advertisement was for “Expressions of interest in the DESIGN, build and operate, well as FINANCE. the WTE plant. There was no design by Government, so how could there be a “configuration” proposed by government?
You are hereby corrected.
Come on people; Yard ducks ESPECIALLY. Grow up!!!. This is the real world.
@ Alvin Cummins
LOL u got them nuggets, especially the speckled fowl David HA! Ha! /
Alvin Cummins you are a star boy today, keep rolling the dice. don,t expect to hear a peep from professor brass bowl deputy dawg any time soon.
The misfits are adamant about driving a stake in the heart of the WTE project but using the wrong tool.
@Alvin
If you check at the bottom of the UK website. In other words the expression of interest process is to allow the government to perform due diligence based on quality of applicant. Then those who qualify get to tender. Not sure what exercise the Barbados government went through. You were probably in Canada when Sinckler stated on public radio no tender was necessary for a PPP there this discussion is irrelevant.
These BLP clowns have been warned several times not to listen to Mia, she has proven time and time again that she can not be trusted ,hence her sourced efforts to get credible information is hampered an d as a result she ends up floating half truths and misinformation to her loyal foot soldiers , although time and time again they have been proven to be wrong a reflection comes to mind in her feeble and asinine disapproval of the waste tax where she floundered and lost her way during debate only to be told by her former leader OSA that her approach was wrong,
Will the request to change from plasma to “something else” be made public by the government ???? When Cahill find a willing uninformed investor??????
This project will not fly, it will be challenged in court. Isn’t it amazing we have ordinary citizens asking our government to be transparent yet we have yard fowls crowing against it? When the other party takes office the tune changes. When we are willing to place party positions above national interest the inevitable will occur.
Here is a question for Clare Cowan, by your admission this is the first such project your 3 year old company is managing. What is YOUR experience working on WtE projects?
The Nation newspaper writes a good editorial.
Home Commentary EDITORIAL:…
Oh David do not become so crabby i
@David,
I wrote an answer to your 6.31 post what happened to it?
Will your 10.07 post satisfy the Yard ducks? I doubt it.
Shiite man David, you gotta be a boss
Balaam was recorded as having had extensive conversations with a donkey…
But here you are ..in ongoing discussions with, not one, but TWO jackasses…
You have already outdone Balaam Boss…
Now give it up ..and let us have some intelligent ‘PEOPLE’ discussion nuh….
Let the two of them bray at each other..
One a victim of a brain surgery slip, …and the other of ‘much-too-tight’ panties…
@David
Thruth be told
This is the first project she has attempted period …….
None of her previous shell companies executed any project or completed any recorded transactions.
She has fumbled from misadventure to misadventure only to land on our doorstep through an introduction from seventh heaven properties .
Any investor contemplating advancing her funds to continue her charade deserve to loose that investment.
@David,
I am aware that my submissions are usually long, but I make no apologies for their length, because much is said and much has to be discussed.
The essence of this editorial is a call for clarity in a number of areas. Much of the speculation about the proposed plant is premature. A lot of the speculation is based on a misunderstanding of the process and a lot of the speculation is a haste to condemn without knowledge of the facts. The original government invitation to tender is for expressions of interest in the project. Step 1 for those expressing interest would be to get the design of the plant; one suitable for the country. Designing and constructing a Plasma Gasification Plant, with specific requirements; suitable for Barbados, is not like going to the store and buying a shirt. Everyone knows and admits that this would be a first for the country and the Caribbean. It would take time first of all for the engineers to design the plant. How can questions be asked about the amount of water needed when the plant has not even been designed. How does anyone know that it will cost 700million dollars when the type of plant has not yet been arrived at. Step 2 would have to be obtaining the investors to finance the plant. When the principals met in 2013-14 engineers were among the delegation. One has to assume that they would have discussed the requirements, then to go back to their offices to PLAN the type of facility and work on the design of the plant. As I said, this is not like going to WallMart and buying a ready made plant. Then the various assessments, legal requirements, contracts, etc have to be passed through the necessary bureaucratic hurdles, before a decision of the design is approved. So far I have not seen any notices tendering for the construction of the plant, since that will not involve government. The company that submits the winning design and has the required financing will make those decisions.
Only one year has passed since the visit of the principals to Vaucluse, not enough time for the questions to be answered. I am sure when that stage is reached there will be more discussion and consultation.
In the heightened political atmosphere; evident since before and after the last election, everyone is seeking to score political points and thus often mislead. In the current atmosphere calm reflection, studied analysis, and less hysteria have to be the order of the day. Cussing, demeaning, and misleading have to be replaced by calm, fruitful discussion, and a clear understanding of all the facts. A rush to judgment; especially in the absence of correct information, does not serve the country in any positive way.
The editorial asks if any member of Government has interest in
Cahill. Why ask this? It is obviously a question designed with malicious intent, for despite the hundreds of contracts, and the hundreds of millions of dollars in Government expenditure spent with Williams Industries, Rayside, or other large conglomerates, local and foreign, I have NEVER seen this question directed at government representatives before. Why now? The present minister responsible for Energy; Dorcy Boyce, was a member of the former government. How has he changed since then; if at all? Why question his integrity now? Doctor Lowe is the Minister of the Environment, what factual evidence is there that he is a dishonest man? These attempts to demean their characters speaks volumes of the type of people we seem to have become; mean spirited and spiteful. Why? The members of government are persons of intellect and integrity. We elected them; not once but twice.
I don’t remember this question being directed when the contract for the Desalination Plant ( a BOLT arrangement was awarded to Williams industries; IONICS Ltd, or when SBRC was awarded the construction of the waste separation plant (also a BOLT arrangement).
What makes this different now? Could it be that there are other competing interests (BIG)who want to sabotage the project for their own selfish interests? Is there another, (or others) entity interested in what B’s recycling is doing, and eying the waste to energy business?
Barbadians have a right to ask questions and the Government is obligated to answer, but my many examinations have taught me that it is usually best to take time and examine the questions asked, spending time to formulate the answers, and then trying to answer them calmly and completely. Otherwise the wrong answer will be given.
People much older than me said it: “If greedy wait, hot will cool.”
Ponder on these things.
Excellent response Mr.Cummins .
@Alvin
Not yours is a minority view and the reality here is that the government has not been transparent so far. How ever you twist it the government needs to communicate better on Cahill and other issues, even minister Inniss has stated this publicly.
First response from govt came in the form of an international press release followed by town hall meetings where the same old questions about cost and got input and financing were address.
However the gossip mill continue to spin out of control with additional add ons and speculation mostly fueled by political hogwash.
I recalled during the past Budget debate Chris Sinckler gave a clear and open review as to many of the concerns asked about the WTE project one of which having to do with financing and cost and the projects developers
ac;
Not so!
Minister Sinckler did not address any of the substantive points raised by Ms. Mottley in that debate.
Sinckler did not respond to the speculation drawn upon by perceptions brought into the issue by Mia. He however did respond to what he knew to be factual and correct concerning the project
ac + Alvin Cummins = Absolutely Clueless
No Alvin brought to table records which are relevant and plausible. Unlike most here who are innovators of made up speculation and slanderous name calling
Absolute nonsense
Sinclair knows well of the abomination that is Cowan
He also knows that there is a minimum of $50 million dollars needed in infrastructure work that Cahill have no responsibility for
They are also well aware that changing from plasma will require an amendment to the contract which they are keeping under wraps
“….Alvin brought to table records which are relevant and plausible.”
He has brought no “records to the table”. His major point was that there was an “Expressions of Interest” advert a few years ago. He has posted no facts about which firms applied, how they were scored on their submissions etc., or how Cahill was finally appointed – indeed, if they responded to this advert at all. He suggests that a Tenders Committee would have properly overseen the process without even knowing whether such a Committee was appointed. He appears to be trying to fill a factual void with unsupported speculation.mThat, I am afraid, is not good enough.
I suggest the Auditor General should be asked to review Cahill’s appointment. While they are at it, they should extend their audit to cover other PPP projects such as the BWA headquarters and the SSA building. They might be able to throw some light on whether the correct processes were followed and also if Government has to tender PPP projects at all, which Chris Sinckler denies.
The Auditor General’s reports have their limitations in terms of follow-through but they are pretty good at getting to grips with the shortcomings of process.
Big question???
Is there a “time is of the essence” clause in this dam contract???
If so the clock should be ticking
If not then the government lawyer should be slapped on the wrist.
18 months and zero progress on a non runner project
If it was that bankable it should be well underway by now
Truth is its unproven and unbankable
@ GlennK
If not then the government lawyer should be slapped on the wrist.
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…slapped on the wrist? …after having received his ‘bankable’ fee at the $700,000 rate?
From
http://gisbarbados.gov.bb/index.php?categoryid=9&p2_articleid=14577
Government has started preliminary discussions on whether Queen’s Park should be renamed National Heroes Park.
This disclosure has come from Minister of Culture, Stephen Lashley, after touring the City park with Prime Minister Freundel Stuart; Permanent Secretaries Sonja Welch and Ruth Blackman; and officials of the National Cultural Foundation, led by Chief Executive Officer, Cranston Browne.
Mr. Lashley explained that they toured the property with a view to determining whether the location was a suitable one for the National Heroes Park. He said after the near one-hour tour: “We are at a very preliminary stage. Queen’s Park has been discussed and the purpose of the tour was to have a firsthand view and an initial brainstorming session as to whether the park is a feasible possibility.
“From here, we will have some further discussions with various stakeholders and then ultimately, prepare a proposal for the consideration of the Cabinet. The Cabinet will then determine whether it will give the green light in principle pending the holding of wider sectoral consultation.”
The Minister underscored the importance of the tour, saying the officials received vital information to assist in making a determination as to how to proceed. “Once the Cabinet considers that this is something we can look at in principle, we would convene a town hall meeting to consult with the public and of course do the necessary due diligence and other consultations before we proceed,” he stressed…………….”
What is going on?
Sounds like they are doing more due diligence on renaming a park, than was done before signing a$700 million WtE plant.
Surely they must have better things to than take a one hour tour of a park they have probably visited hundreds of time.
This is Barbados