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Dick Hoad being forced out of business by a government project – Photo credit: Nation

Dick Hoad has become an institution in Barbados and is greatly admired by many including the BU household. His literary interventions which many look forward to reading on Fridays supported by his entrepreneurial capability manifested on the The Hoad Farm must be encouraged. One would have imagined a progressive government should promote The Hoad Form as a model to be replicated across Barbados. To the consternation of many this Sunday morning the plight of the Hoads caused by government action has created ‘another’ controversy. BU thank family member Crusoe for highlighting this issue in on another blog.

Talking about financial issues and production issues, the story of the Hoad Dairy Farm in today’s Nation should be given full exposure. This is a serious issue, we ask people to be entrepreneurs, to develop PRODUCTIVE industry and not just import, wholesale, retail. This approach is critical to our survival. Here we have a couple who have done just that, now a government body is destroying their business by competing directly. Is that right?

Remember my words from the other blog thread on heritage…Lotta Long Talk, about entrepreneurship etc. Yet, a couple who have done it successfully and should be an example to others on how to do it, are put to the task, but the same government that is advocating entrepreneurship!?!

What I would want from the Minister of Finance is a cost analysis and revenue statements for the Greenland milk producing farm, audited by the Auditor General. That would show if Government is actually making money (said from the moral view), or losing money to compete with a private manufacturer.

What is the betting that after the Hoads are out of business, the Government business would be ‘sold’ to a ‘private entity’. Maybe even a Trini one!!! And some argue this country is just and fair?

This is the same issue that the CBC, whichever Government is in, has the current administrations best buddy as the head i.e. Government s interference in public information and in competing with private entities.

…here is one further irony, a doozer. With all the talk of Common Entrance and Scholarships etc., how important ‘academics ‘is, I believe that one or both of the Hoads are former Barbados Exhibition winners. They have used brains and hard work to develop an industry. Now this!

Then further, they also (pretty sure about Mr., think Mrs. studied at UWI!
They are the proverbial EXAMPLE of home grown success. Now this! Irony in yuh face!

And PROOF of my claim, that we have become a country of form over substance. In three or four years, we will see a picture of a skinteet Minister, handing over the keys of the Government Greenland Goat Milk farm, to some private entity, maybe Trini, claiming how well Barbados and Government has done in developing a goat milk industry and had managed to sell it for a tidy sum. At which point the price of the no competition XYZ milk from XYZ milk farm, former Government farm, will double. Peuk!

This is just how things are here now. Whereto Barbados?


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181 responses to “The Hoad Dairy Farm Issue”

  1. Observing (and polling) Avatar
    Observing (and polling)

    @david
    Far from pulling back the suggestion on the news from a member of government is that the hoads BUY from the government and resell since the government’s is “a product of research”.

    Unbelievable.


  2. ac said ”Enjoys and participates well during music and movement time. These activities include catching, marching and over, under, around and through obstacles.”

    Ah, So what the heck is the BS&T wholesale and distribution entity, in effect a monopoly, they own so much of the brand right, that there is little competition.

    That said, as others have said, since when is government in the marketplace as a competitior???

    The more I read from some, the more I am thinking that the Hoad’s should indeed sell the land for development and set up selling cheap goods retail, like all the other ‘businessmen ‘ here.

    And when BS&T ups the price of the ‘government milk’ to 12 dollars, we will see.

    Maybe I should look at importing Chinese goat milk, probably be able to sell that at 5 dollars or so.

    Can’t guarantee quality though, but at least it will satisfy Smooth Chocolate and ac, that the poor people could afford that too.

    And one never knows, may even have ‘glow in the dark’ properties for such who use it instead of Viagra!

    Long live China!


  3. Where the heck did that come from? Strange! I was referring to ac’s comment ”place no one should be a monopoly . if the government chooses to venture into the market as a competitor to help the small guy why notgranting that the avenues by which they use are not illegal or does not infringe on any ones rights and from my perspective the govt has not been accused of doing no one has a right to a monopoly as the hoads ”


  4. The Deputy Chief Agricultural Officer on the CBC TV 7pm Newscast, speaking at the Town Hall meeting ,that the production of the milk by the Department is of nuisance value to them and he is recommending that the milk be sold to the Hoads and the Dept get on with its research. The sensible thing to do in my view.


  5. I re-read what ac said and my word, you would think Dickie was a big gun with loadsa money. He may have a big gun, which he denies, claiming the brudders have such, but one wonders where ac would get the idea that a man should not make money from blood, sweat and tears.

    Very sad day for Barbados.

    Goodbye entrepreneurs. Hello China!


  6. @frater

    The comment by the official is not good enough. Someone made the decision to sell the milk using free tax dollars which based on reports has negatively impacted a legitimate small business. That person should be held accountable or is this another case where a public official cannot be disciplined?


  7. Check this!!??!!

    Hoad pays tax right? So every he dollar he earns, the return is net reduced by AT LEAST 25%, to him.

    The government department selling to compete pays no tax!

    So, it is in effect, selling at scarcely less a profit than Hoad, because it is operating as a tax free entity!

    So, when is the guv’ment coop selling imported goods? I cant wait!

  8. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    Once and just once when supermarket the was out of Hoad’s milk, I tried milk from another producer. Unfortunately, I have a discerning palate and could taste the difference. Whatever they fed the goats did something to the taste. I prefer Hoad’s milk: put simply, it taste better.

  9. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    If Hoad mixes his milk with the inferior product, I might be forced to purchase the more expensive blue substitute.


  10. As per my past note, on the profit the government entity makes, what happens to the revenue. I would think for control purposes, a visit from the Auditor General is overdue.


  11. after all the years of Hoad making money after reading some comments one would believe that the Hoads are heading for the”poor house” these people are smart business people and they know how to ‘take the lemons and make lemonade” the consumer and the market would be all be better for it for it is one way the govt can initiate and stabilize prices without passing laws which would definitely undermine a free and open market, unlike bigger countries which have a vast variety of competitors barbados does not and for now the only ones the people can seek relief for them is govt a REALITY!

  12. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    AC

    Stop your foolishness now!! Government will not bring down the cost of living as promised by sell goats’ milk below the cost of production. If intervening in the market to bring down prices is government’s strategy, I can think of many more items that they could supply. Why start with goats’ milk?


  13. caswell you stop your follishness and ridiculous thought process you might be having an out of body experience from drinking too much goat milk , as a union man you should be siding with those who can least but help themselves instead of those who have gobbled up most of the pie and all the govt is doing now is scraping up the few crumbs left behind for those who cant afford it .not much left of the pie for most of us so what we can chew on we must hold on to before all is gone. The HOADS have had a big chunck now is it asking too much for the people to get a few of the crumbs that is left , the hoads will survive,


  14. @ac
    “The HOADS have had a big chunck now is it asking too much for the people to get a few of the crumbs that is left , the hoads will survive,

    Wow. This statement renders almost all of your arguments elsewher null and void. Partisan glasses will always give you 10/10 vision.

    @Caswell
    “If intervening in the market to bring down prices is government’s strategy, I can think of many more items that they could supply.”

    Agreed. And they can also use the “guise” of research while they’re at it.


  15. @ ac
    Why don’t you shut up and go and wash some dishes or something useful nuh?
    Stupesss!!!
    Obviously Mr. ac who have been helping to balance your comments got fed up and left home or something…or maybe you so busy blogging that his ‘ incentive’ to assist you have dried up….

    How the hell can it be alright for government to wait until a citizen spends his own money to build a successful, unique agricultural business in a part of the country where that same government has been unable to do ANYTHING productive after DECADES and after MILLIONS of taxpayers dollars…..and then take more taxpayers money to deliberately shut down that citizen????

    That would be like John Boyce’s ministry starting a solar hot water business and selling systems for $500. Don’t they give tax incentives to SUPPORT the business of the existing solar hot water owners instead?

    Wanna women does really make a bushman sick sometimes…
    Bushie hopes that Porter surfaces again to re-emphasize why women must be controlled – and not allowed to influence such decisions. That is exactly how the whole trouble started when that idiot Adam listen to Eve and eat the forbidden fruit just because she give him li’l piece…. 🙂

    Bushie now understand why Caswell does get these occasional lapses too…. Drinking too much damn goat milk and can’t keep out of the sauce…. Lol

    This is just plain shit. If the DLP does not fix this particular matter REAL soon, the Bushman will be joining enuff, and even old onions….although even the thought of that union is painful…. 🙂 and enuff to make a Bushman throw up….


  16. @Bushie

    What proof do you have to show that govt selling goats milk would shut down the HOADS!Speaking of rantings and ramblings you sure know now to demonstrate!


  17. How the hell can it be alright for government to wait until a citizen spends his own money to build a successful, unique agricultural business in a part of the country where that same government has been unable to do ANYTHING productive after DECADES and after MILLIONS of taxpayers dollars…..and then take more taxpayers money to deliberately shut down that citizen????

  18. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    AC

    You said that there was not much left of the pie. I think that you mean not much left of the fatted calf. After all Sinckler and the rest of his colleagues have eaten it up. You see how big they are getting. They might soon have to shed their skins since they are getting too big. They have eaten up so much that you can’t find a wrinkle on any of them. I remember not so long ago when they were bonie. LOL!!!

  19. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    Bushie

    Mr. AC has gone to get some goats’ milk so that he can give Mrs. AC something useful to do.


  20. “If intervening in the market to bring down prices is government’s strategy, I can think of many more items that they could supply.”

    Like MRI services. Now Peter Harris needs some government intervention and affordable health care is far more important to a community than a viagra substitute …!


  21. THE above comment was ref BUSH TEA>

    In response what make you think that in any country a business person has exclusive rights to a free and open market. govt or any other upstart business has the right to compete . it is up to the consumer to decide which one of the products would survive so telling me that the govt is shutting down the HOADS is a bunch of horse cr..ap..the hoads have a right to sell their product was in a communist country the govt bwould have just closed them down without warning. but no they can still open and remain viable with a proven product and one which have keep them establish for 20 years..


  22. If the Ministry wants to experiment why don’t they try producing Goat cheese,goat milk yoghurt, goat milk ice cream,

    They have money so they could produce world class certified Organic Goat milk products for export.

    Hoad is producing for local consumption. Let de man earn a decent living.


  23. the man has already earned more than a decent living let the consumer enjoy some of the same living.what wrong with that!


  24. ac wrote “In response what make you think that in any country a business person has exclusive rights to a free and open market. govt or any other upstart business has the right to compete.

    Clearly you don’t have a clue about Agriculture and the role any good government should play in a small densely populated Nation.

    The Ministry of Agriculture should be doing the research and providing support for farmers.


  25. and all you supporters of hoad keep or start supporting his business that kind of support would do more good than talking sh..it , intead of buying i gallon buy 4for gallons of milk . the hoads would appreciate it

  26. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    If Hoad were a poor black man by now this thread would have hundreds of comments and David would have directed us to comment on another post. Are we seeing racism in reverse with Government dishing it out but they can’t deal with the BIG whites so they picked on little farmer Hoad. This might sound familiar: they came for the little white men and I said nothing because I was not white.


  27. David next time you see Peter Miller tell him to put some fresh tumeric in he pepper sauce and sell it as a Premium branded product.

    I bought a bottle and some eclipse biscuits yesterday..

    Now I have to drive 30 kms to get tumeric root from the St.Lawrence market so I can make Hants premium modified Windmill pepper sauce.


  28. @ CASWELL

    Well that is a big “IF” because no black man would have been granted the financial resources if they had the idea..and that alone is a disgrace, there are plenty black people with great ideas but are deny financial capital to get started.


  29. @ ac
    Bushie is a professional “ranter and raver”….. You are not!

    What exactly do you not understand about the “dastardity” of what this government department is doing…?

    Imagine you decided to start a business breeding sea eggs in some old bathtubs in your yard. You borrow $500 from Caswell’s credit union and after ten years you got a good little thing going selling about 1000 sea eggs each year.

    A man from the ministry of sea eggs and cobblers knock on your door one Monday morning and ask you to explain how you get this business to work….. You playing nice and big fashion – gone and spill all the beans (Bushie wudda slam de door in he face and let go the pit bulls – Bushie don’t want Babylon inna his yard…)

    ….next thing you hear, the government got a sea egg farm nearby – calling it an experiment, and selling sea eggs for 25 cents each. Your customers (all like smooth chocolate so… Stop buying your sea eggs and buying the cheap ones..

    If you sell for 25 cents you would have to get another job just to pay the NIS, bank charges and vat… So obviously you have to shut down.

    After you are out of operation, the nasty public servant who did the deed gets promoted to PS and his replacement don’t give a damn about sea eggs …. So the whole business now dead…. But their objective have been achieved for the ministry…..

    They now no longer have anyone making them look bad by running a successful business on a shoe string budget while they spend millions of taxpayers dollars doing (as BAFBFP would put it)
    …….F*** all – at the government’s air conditioned offices or in the air conditioned MP cars…


  30. There is a silver lining to this after all. I expect sales of goat milk to spike now that Caswell has confessed to the magical restoration powers of Goat milk. Who knew? Hoad may have men lining up his door to purchase goat milk price be damned, somewhere the god Priapus is smiling.


  31. @ Bushie cobblers only good for fishing for Pompas.

    Break off most of the prickles and stick the hook through the
    mouth. Put on a lead sinker and cast yuh line in the clear next to
    a reef.

    Suggest 80lb line if yuh fishing with a hand line.


  32. I am still waiting for someone to tell me why there is outrage against Government for using taxpayer money to (1) compete against the Hoads in the milk industry and undercut their price and (2) compete against the south coast hotels in the tourism industry and undercut their prices, but it is ok for it to use taxpayer money to compete against PSV owners,in the transportation industry, limit the price they can charge and also use other measures to impede their viability.

  33. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    Sargeant

    It does not work like that. I introduced the bloggers to restorative properties of cowitch and as far as I know only BAFBFP took up the offer. Unfortunately, he did not make the tea: he rubbed it on.


  34. I went to my favourite supermarket. There was HOAD – lots of it – nothing else. It was, I think, $7.75 for two pints. Pine Hill cow was $5.85 I think. So: Hoad’s goat was cheaper than my favourite Soy. and not THAT much more expensive than the universal cow. I wonder what ‘Gov Goat’ sells for.

    Anyway, with this post very much in mind, seeing the Hoad gave me a pre-something thrill and I bought two pints. I’m not at all sure this will be good for my cholesterol but the P god may be happy.


  35. Inkwell

    I gun come clean … I don’ like mini bus people … I don’ like them. People speak about there being a few bad ones but as far as I am concerned I neva see a good one yet…! I even hate to look at them then … Ugly bitches who believe that the road is their realm and the rest of its users are there to be pissed off. If the government shuts them down, arrogant shites, I would not lose a tear ..!

    There. I have said it …! I feel a lot better now, thank you.


  36. ac like a little pit bull Boay. Will not let go the stick.

    Goota admire the tenacity, even if misplaced. When we gain government, I think better put her in the Ministry specifically to deal with the union head, the Little Big Man who like marching up and down.

    I now see further brilliance. If goat milk like Viagra, and increase birth rates, it increases labour pool overt time and hence costs of production comes down, as supply of labour > demand for ;labour,. Therefore, Barbados becomes more competitive and this rekindles industrial production.

    Absolute genius!

    Cepting time it done, those such as Caswell who drinking the goat milk goin have bout 25 children.


  37. Thinking about ac’s tenacity, I just had an epiphany. I soooooo soryy ac.

    Cuh dear, cant fault her now. She dos have an undertandable ulterior motive. If as Caswell says, it is so good for certain activities, an she want to make sure the husband can afford it, y’all now understand why she wont let go the stick, methaphorically and otherwise? 😉

    It wukking that good ac? I now onnerstand why yuh so eager to afford it. Thats okay, we all gotta have a lil fun.


  38. @BUSH TEA

    Your IMAGINATION has gone F ..ing wild. Imagine a company that can have a monopoly on a product for 20years raking in all the sweets only a certain sector of the public can afford it health wise it is a good product then the govt makes such product available to those who cant afford it and hell breaks loose JUST IMAGINE THE .also Just IMAGINE the govt closing the QEH hospital because some private investor claims he is losing money > JUST IMAGINE. PEOPLE like you ought to be ashamed all you people think about is yourself this is not only about the HOADS but about your F >>ing self centered mandated way of thinking that money is the all and end all of a society. if the people cant afford and the govt have the means by which it can make the product available by all means it has a moral right to do so . the poor are the majority and some one should be looking out for them if not the govt then who, THE HOADS have had 20years of blessedness while the poor have had to wait 20years to have a sip of goats milk.


  39. BU understands from a source the ministry of health will be outsourcing MRI to Peter Harris’ place in St.James.

    Perhaps ac missed the article in the Nation where supermarkets have been returning unsold milk in greater quantities than before since the government started selling. If the government has come out and admitted that it will stop selling the milk via a civil servant surely ac can accept that a mistake was made? What ac does not realize is that the HOADS are truly respected across Barbados for their creativity and innovation but most of all they are humble. The woman in BU is VERY upset as a regular visitor to the farm.BU recommends to ac, when she gets the opportunity, to visit the farm because by her writings she has not!


  40. @Inkwell

    No one can answer that question and you probably know why. Since the late Tom Adams instituted punitive taxes the industry has been ‘labeled’ and become immerse in politics. Someone will have to show leadership to bring sanity to public transportation in Barbados. Boyce and this government promised it by establishing the Transport Authority but that has proved to date to be ineffective.


  41. David first of all i do not read the Nation . Second of all the Hoads have a proven track record of a quality product. thirdly there would be a decrease in productivity for the hoads because people would want to try another brand this would happen even if there was another competitor.as i said before the consumers who are buying from the government are those that might have never bought the HOADS product naturally i do understand and sympathise with the HOADS but also the poor must not be forgotten in this argument one that has been totally ignored by most here, AS DT said”barbados is more than an economy it is also a society.The HOADS would SURVIVE i am certain that the govt and the Hoads would reach an aimable agrreement one that would not disrupt or hurt the Hoads business in the long run PM is not a vindictive person.


  42. @ac

    Carry on smartly because the government has admitted it is wrong i.e. it will stop selling the milk so that your position has become untenable.


  43. No surprise if the POOR loses this battle as has always been the case however my views on this does not fall along party lines but for the fairness of all and not only a few.if what youi said is true the govt has cowtongued to the minority while neglecting the majority on this issue


  44. @ ac

    How much IS ‘gov goat’ for two pints?


  45. @ BAF

    On tearaways limping on….read Nation.


  46. “Dick Hoad has become an institution in Barbados and is greatly admired by many including the BU household”
    “Hoad is producing for local consumption. Let de man earn a decent living”
    “The Ministry of Agriculture should be doing the research and providing support for farmers.”

    Wel, well well, never thought i would ever be able to support Ac in anything but support in this issue i must.
    i suppose by now the admirers of the institutionalised mr hoad would have read the ministry’s explanation in today’s nation and should by now be analysing the issue from a balanced perspective.
    As i said before, i remember having to travel all the way from bridgetown to purchase goat milk from greenland. i think the person in charge then was a quiet gentleman by the name of mr devonish. i had a friend who was ill and she was advised to drink goat milk and greenland was the only place i could get it from. i was not aware of its powers at the time.


  47. “Can’t we have the technocrats and politicians focus their energies and resources at this time on the sugar industry? Right now the industry in is intensive care and if nothing drastic is done within the next 6 months it could be closed down by next year.”
    the sugar industry has been dead for years. it was not buried because of britain’s subsidisation of the industry through the quota system but cost of production has always outstripped price. in addition, it was seen as a necessary evil because of nostalgia and the employment it provided .


  48. welcome back mr miller/ seems you have been away planning campaign strategy. are you coming with a new system of governance to rid the country of this musical chair system of governance?


  49. And what did the explanation from the ministry official state? Did he not say that the ministry sold the milk to a middleman who retailed before going out business? What does that have to do with the query that the government goat project is experimental and the objective is not to produce milk for sale?
    Its production cost using free tax dollars is to fund a developmental project and not a commercial operation.


  50. “What does that have to do with the query that the government goat project is experimental and the objective is not to produce milk for sale?”

    It deals with the assertion that govt goat milk policy is driving Mr hoad out of business. It seems that Mr Hoad was out of business before.I will repeat that the govt has been selling goat milk at Greenland for a very long time.

    Guess what, Bro Franklyn, the wife just walk through the door wih a two pint bottle of unpasteurised fresh goat’s milk purchased at Big B supermarket but produced and packaged by Hoad’s Dairy Farm. Morgan Lewis, St Andrew. Got it boiling already too, Can’t wait for tonight to come to see if it works for me too.

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