Banner promoting anonymous crime reporting with a phone and contact number 1 800 TIPS (8477), featuring the Crime Stoppers logo and a QR code for submitting tips.

← Back

Your message to the BLOGMASTER was sent

The Western world has declared war against the ‘tyrant’ Colonel Muammar Gaddafi. Some will question the motive of the war at this time.  Are we not battling an economic recession? A good case can be made why now and why Libya. Why not China? Why not Saudi Arabia? Why not Zimbabwe?

Lost in the debate is the phrase used by Western media, collateral damage. Already in the war just started Independent media sources have reported the deaths of several civilians. As is the case in Afghanistan and Iraq the argument put forward by the ‘aggressors’ is that ‘the end justifies the means’ .

There is a lot BU can write about events  currently unfolding in the ME. Let us not forget about heightened tensions in Yemen and other countries in the ME. Will the USA, France and Britain declare war on the other tyrants in the ME? For those who are not faint of heart, have a read of this article; American soldiers posing next to civilians killed in Afghanistan!

Regrettably Barbadians will not get the other side of the debate on matters like this one. Thankfully with the Internet the other side is a computer keyboard click away.


Discover more from Barbados Underground

Subscribe to get the latest posts sent to your email.


  1. Simply said they haven’t declare war so it can’t be collateral damage. It become crime against humanity.


  2. @anthony

    When another country (ies) drop bombs on a sovereign country, what the hell do you call it?


  3. I know it war david but they haven’t declared it. there difference enforcing a no fly zone and declaring war on country. in the former little civilian casualties can be show to be crimes against humanity. In the latter there is acceptance of some civilian causalities but large numbers and you should be brought up crime against humanity. but as we know the world not fair and some people who should be in jail walking about free as day.


  4. @anthony

    BU is not arguing the point based on a technicality.


  5. You already know my views on this ‘event’, that it is an error.

    The whole Middle East is a hypocrisy and study in intrigue.

    US, that may support behind the scenes, but when things get hairy, have to go with the popular view, the Iranians who support the uprisings against regimes in other countries, but crush their own uprisings, as in 2009.

    The Saudis, great Western allies…but ‘allegedly’ the biggest funder of extreme ideology.

    The Pakistanis, who seem to support nine sides, all at once.

    Russia and China who are reticent to support action in the Middle East, they have significant trading interests.

    What to say, except that any actions in that region must be done by first taking a regional impact view.


  6. Ummmm

    US ‘to tone down role in Libya’

    President Barack Obama says the US will transfer its leading role on Libya "within days", but differences remain in Nato on whether to take charge.


  7. This more to do with oil than anything else. Libya is an easy pushover and cannot be allowed to have civil unrest long enough to cause the oil prices worldwide and their stability to increase.

    Lets bomb the brown people all over again, history repeating history.

  8. The man wiv no name!! Avatar
    The man wiv no name!!

    Dave, the first time I can recall being seriously disappointed in you, and I can only pray, isn’t indicative of the typical Barbadian view!

  9. The man wiv no name!! Avatar
    The man wiv no name!!

    Maybe Britain shouldn’t have gone to the aid of Bim during Hurricane Janet, or Grenada during their ‘revolution’, in which case many of you probably wouldn’t be here today. It’s a morally bankrupt argument of yours and disgraceful.

  10. The man wiv no name!! Avatar
    The man wiv no name!!

    Just remembered, it was America in the case of Grenada, but same difference!!


  11. THMWN

    Are you aware the dictators in Yemen and Bharain are killing its people as well? What is the difference between the two situation?

    The answer is easy, those governments are pro-West.

    News just in, the no fly zone has been extended.


  12. As far as I an concerned any soldier who dies defending his/her country against foreign interests, particularly when such interests are connected to those of the United States Government, is collateral damage. I also make a distinction between war and invasion/occupation, and a soldier and a person who dons a uniform in order to gain a wage and see the world.


  13. BTW Libya had undergone an embargo for nine years … Last I checked, embargoes kill civilians too … and nuff nuff ..!


  14. Here is another perspective, compliments of Ras.

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

    March 21, 2011

    Contact:  Reverend P.D. Menelik Harris>

    Emergency Actions Urged as ‘White’ Clouds Storm Africa

    Atlanta, GA. “Our people need to know that the enforcing of a no-fly-zone in Libya is a declaration of war on Africa” stressed Baba Hekimah Kanyama, while shaping the 5-point-action plan in response to the invasion of Africa by the United States, European Union and members of the Arab League. The emergency meeting with Pan African and African centric leaders in Atlanta was chaired by Baba Mukasa ‘Willie Ricks’ Dada and called for an “immediate cessation of military assault” on Libya by air, land and sea as one of the highest priority responses to the grave situation affecting Africa.

    Baba Mukasa is a Civil Rights and Pan African leader who served as part of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC), the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC) and the All African People Revolutionary Party (AAPRP). He is currently an Executive member of the World African Diaspora Union (WADU). Both the Civil Rights and Pan African movements were catalysts for the freedom and rights of African people in the U.S., Africa and elsewhere in the world. However, these rights have been trampled on by government legislative bills and military boots across the world.

    In addition to the call for immediate cessation of the invasion of Africa, African Diaspora leaders in Georgia are also calling for the African Union to immediately implement the United States of Africa and the African High Command as a Pan African government and military command and control structure for the full integration of Africa. This fifty plus year delayed decision due to poor leadership for a United States of Africa and an African High Command has since cost Africa of its security. This would make Africa the second largest military behind China.

    After slavery, colonialism and imperialism have led to the destruction of Africa, Africa needs a strong military to protect its economic, political and social advancement, especially to defend itself against clear, constant another imminent foreign threats. The United States of Africa and the African High Command were envisioned by great leaders like the late great Marcus Garvey, Dr. Kwame Nkrumah, President Patrice Lumumba Emperor Haile Selassie and WEB Dubois to protect Africa from neo-colonialism and imperialism.

    The third point-of-action is for Black communities to engage in continuous civil actions and mass demonstrations across the world against the military invasion of Africa by the same invaders who participated in the “Maafa” – the horrific enslavement of Black people over centuries and recently declared by the United Nations a crime against humanity. The first demonstration will be held on Wednesday, March 23, 2011 in Atlanta and will continue indefinitely. African Liberation Month in May was stated as a historic high priority for actions across the African world for mass mobilization to protect gains made by Black people since African enslavement.

    Additionally, the African Diaspora community leaders are urging African Union leaders to eliminate all foreign military bases, including Africom and other European bases in Africa. Clearly, these military outposts of Europe are threats to the advancement of Africa becoming a self-determined and free continent. Finally, the African Diaspora community leaders are urging the African Union to implement plans for the African Diaspora to gain dual-citizenship as a way to strengthen the resolve of the Pan African Diaspora to protect and invest in a sustainable and empowered 21st century Africa.

    The facilitator of the emergency meeting Mr. Kofi Adjei of Africa reminded others that Libya and other parts of Africa such as Ivory Coast are targeted by the Europeans and the United States as part of the ‘new scramble’ to continue robbing Africa’s oil and other natural resources. The industrial power, prosperity and wealth of Europe are only due to the European colonization and enslavement of Africans. According to most estimate, Africa’s wealth is now in urgent demand to stabilize Europe after its economic meltdown which started in the United States.

    Without Africa’s resources, Europe and the United States will continue to degenerate as powerful economic forces in the world. Since the 1960’s, Africa’s freedom struggles have sapped its former enslavers from the direct exploitation of Africa. The Anglo-American economy is also suffering from its inability to compete with emerging economic powers such as China, Russia, India and Brazil The emergency meeting called for Africans everywhere to rise up as the cloud of ‘whiteness’ gathers to storm Africa with the ravenous raping only known to Black people as white power struggle to maintain their failing white supremacy on the back of Black genocide.


  15. BBCWorld BBC Global News
    Yemeni President Saleh says in speech to army commanders that efforts to seize power via a ‘coup’ will lead to civil war, report Reuters

  16. The man wiv no name!! Avatar
    The man wiv no name!!

    Dave, my view is that ALL dictatorships should be toppled. I guess you wouldn’t mind living under a dictatorship would you Dave, of course u would. So, if u can wish to live in a democracy then why not the rest of mankind. I notice u didn’t answer the point of the British coming to our aid, when we needed them to! A shameful, selfish stance of yours and all who think like you.

  17. The man wiv no name!! Avatar
    The man wiv no name!!

    I never take any notice of anything by anybody named Ras, cos in my experience, they usually don’t have a brain.


  18. @MWN

    Your Bimbro like qualities are shining brightly.

    The question is why does the West cherry pick the dictators they want to topple.


  19. Can you please explain the difference between so-called collateral damage during action to degrade military capability, and leaving that capability to massacre innocent civilians?


  20. The man wiv no name

    Ass …!

    When Britain came “to the aid of Bim” Bim was a Colony and the British Government was the dictator in power. Dictators have a way of imposing their will of their subjects because most times it is the right and responsible thing to do! Of course as long as the dictator comes from the West there will be no problem with you because these type of dictators will always be responsible … is this it?

    Shite man these dictators are now “dictating” that there should be a “no fly zone” in Africa.

    And you think too that the United States bombing Grenadians and shooting Cuban construction workers is an act of coming to the aid of Grenadians. Can you not imagine for a moment that the intellectual abilities of those with influence in a country even as small as Grenada would have what it takes to resolve their own issues? Do you not think that such actions serve only American foreign policy interests and of course has resulted in the establishment of a virtual puppet state (that every year celebrates the 4th of July and the death of 66 American mercenaries over that of its own dead)


  21. Ghadafi. All-round nice fella and philanthropist. Just happens to sponsor terrorists like the IRA, and even one of his former ministers admits that he (Ghadafi) ordered the Lockerbie bombing. If this was really about oil, and Libya produces only about 2% of the world’s supply, he would have been left alone to massacre his own people. Surely, it’s more about the convenience of getting rid of a psychopathic dictator in favour of a potential secular arab state, rather than letting the matter fester and allow in the muslim extremists.


  22. David ……you disappoint me!!

    Why even engage an ass like Bimbro who obviously doesn’t even know his Caribbean history far less that of his adoptive country?


  23. Gaddafi promised that if he could not rule them he will kill them all.

    Isn’t he killing his own people? Isn’t that a crime against humanity?

    Yes, it has to do alot with the oil … but is everyone willing to step back and let Gaddafi murder innocents?


  24. By the way

    How can anyone believe that a country which invades another and uses cluster bombs, land mines and depleted Uranium shells have any real appreciation of the term “Collateral Damage”?


  25. Peltdownman.

    It all to where the 2% goes. libya is largest supplier of oil to europe.


  26. Peltdownman

    Where the f#ck did you get this information about Ghadafi massacring his own people, and if 50 ministers said that he had nothing to do with Lockerby (not to mention MewsWeek as well) why would you chose to believe the one? You and people LIKE you are the problem … big time


  27. when the south of us of had different opinion for the north didn’t they have a civil war. what been going on here is nothing more than civil war.


  28. @Techie

    You know how BU is tolerant of all* views.

    The Grenada invasion was geopolitics at its best. It was Reagan slapping down Cuba which has made a foot hole.


  29. Funny that even though the world knew this, it didnt stop them from accepting his blood money as compensation.
    IMHO, Britain and France pulled a fast one with Obama and now he looks like an idiot trying to spin out of it.


  30. iWatchya | March 22, 2011 at 8:42 AM |
    “Gaddafi promised that if he could not rule them he will kill them all.”

    This idiot is manufactured news. Ten years from now the war mongers will admit that they lied and made the statements all up. It is called PROPAGANDA, designed to appeal to simpletons like yourself …!


  31. Anthony, that is absolute crap. You’ve got it the wrong way round. Most of Libya’s oil goes to Europe, but that is very different from most of Europe’s oil coming from Libya. Try Russia.


  32. @ BAFBFP…….

    Like you I am still waiting on the proof….not just unconfirmed rhetoric.
    There is no news people there so we have to take the word of well armed ( to the teeth) ‘rebels’….wtf!!
    My questions are simple, when the rebels decide to go to Triploi, will the Coalition provide the required air support?
    Will the coalition attack the Libyan army if it defends itself from rebels?
    Is the coalition protecting the ‘poor’ Libyan people or supporting the ‘rebels’?
    We need to stop drinking the Cool-aid!!


  33. BAFBFP
    And the ships intercepted from Libya full of arms and explosives for the IRA to use against British civilians was also a figment of the world’s collective imagination? Would you call the teenagers killed in British pubs in the 70’s and 80’s by the IRA bombers “collateral damage”? People like you are so full of hate that you believe anything so long as it’s anti the so-called “colonial powers”.


  34. Peltdownman

    Jesus H Christ, who is full of hate but for the likes of you. If Libya helped the IRA you could bet it would have been for a very good reason. The British Government were “Dictating” in Ireland and the Irish fought back. Now in the business of psy war, it would have been and still is in the Government of Britain’s interest to blow up innocents (in pubs) and blame it on the so called terrorists. These governments that you are so in favour of are most definitely NOT what they are painted up as being … Wake Up, sorry Grow Up man … or just shut up!


  35. Why is it that collateral damage mainly affect the ordinary citizens [who are scheduled for extermination anyway]? Why aren’t presidents, queens, princes and prime ministers, congress members, senators, bankers and all other high-ranking scum colaterally damaged as well? Why is it they always avoid such damage. All the above-mentioned are fair game as well and we’d see how quickly we really rid this planet of true scum that stays on top and refuse to allow those with ‘light’ to shine through.

    The nastiest pieces of shit on this planet are the UK, the US, Israel and some of Europe. As long as the ‘jewish’ owned media holds someone up as vile or dictatorial, fools jump on that bandwagon and repeat that mantra. Usually those that are reviled by the white owned media are the opposite of what the media is portraying. Those who own the media has moulded the minds of most people on this planet and that’s why like “fools they seldom differ.” Those who own the media control the education, the religions, the governments so the escaping of this mind-programming is a fight in itself. So to hear so many people say that Ghadaffi is a dictator is not surprising. The only difference between the Libyan dictatorship and the US and Europain dictatorship is that in the West the FACE is changed every 4 years or so.


  36. People like you are so full of hate that you believe anything so long as it’s anti the so-called “colonial powers”.

    Is that a fair statement?….or is that anger speaking?
    After going to war in Iraq based on lies, dont you think that people would rather know the truth or as much as possible before getting involved?
    Can anyone here say that they know the what is really going on?
    This man had all the sanctions lifted and did all he could to please the rest of the world, wasn’t he a mad man and tyrant then?..what has changed?
    How is Saudi Arabia ruled?…..by democracy? What is their ideology?
    Timing is everything!!


  37. Technician

    Why wait for proof. This shite has repeated itself so many times in recently history that were it not for the fact that too many lives are involved, the whole thing could be considered mundane. Governments of Britain, France and the United States are confirmed liars! What does it take to have this simple fact sink in? Haiti was just next door. Can you believe that some clown from our local media read in the news that this countries democratically elected president Jean-Bertrand Aristide “ignored the warnings” of the United Stated Government and returned to Haiti…? WTF! Exactly who really are the “Terrorists” (please include in that number the likes of Peltdown and other forms of neanderthal)


  38. BTW, ‘Israel first to set up field Hospital in Japan’

    ‘A field hospital Israel is establishing in Japan is the first to be set up by any of the nations offering outside assistance, Israel’s ambassador to Japan said, Monday, adding that the Japanese were extremely appreciative.”

    “The ambassador confirmed that Israel was also provinding tons of aid assistance – including mattresses, blankets, coats, gloves and chemical toilets for some half-million people, who are homeless, many now living in public facilities.” (The Jerusalen Connection Report, March 21, 2011).

    Remember, it was also Isreal who set up an unique Hospital in Haiti, after the earthquake, doing amazing medical work, and rescue missions as well, but, then again, they never do anything good, like performing hundreds and hundreds of medical procedures and operations for Palestinians from Gaza, and other Arab people of the region, right there in Israel, monthy, daily, yearly!


  39. David,

    Have a look. Maybe the Media won the war?


  40. I see your point clearly BAFBFP……

    Oh lawd now…Zoe coming with Israel *smh*


  41. @Zoeeeee……The only reason Israhell is setting up a hospital is to get body parts like they usually do.


  42. Looks like the USA is footing these regional arrangements. See below:

    March 21
    More than 200 aircraft have been deployed by 10 NATO nations in operations in Libyan airspace since 19 March, with further deployments expected in support of the UN resolution providing “all necessary means” to cease attacks by Moammar Ghadaffi’s loyalist forces against civilians.

    Day-to-day command of the more than 80 aircraft committed by the US to the operation known as ‘Odyssey Dawn’ is held by Admiral Sam Locklear, commander of the US Joint Task Force, a spokesperson for the US Africa Command (AFRICOM) told Jane’s on 21 March.

    “The coalition allies are co-ordinating amongst themselves. As the mission evolves, coalition leadership will be determined,” AFRICOM spokesman Vince Crawley said. “The US is on the record that it does not seek to be the long-term leader of the coalition.”

    Most of the allied effort has sought to neutralise Libya’s fixed integrated air defence system (IADS), in line with the emphasis within the UN resolution on protecting civilians from loyalist ground forces, however, there is likely to be a shift towards escorting allied close air support aircraft with suppression of enemy air defences (SEAD) assets.
    183 words
    Copyright © IHS (Global) Limited, 2011

    Source: http://www.janes.com/news/defence/jdw/jdw110321_2_n.shtml


  43. Now that ROK mentioned it, Ghadaffi was also opposed to AFRICOM, another zionist entity. Yet another reason to pursue him.


  44. anthony | March 22, 2011 at 8:49 AM |

    when the south of us of had different opinion for the north didn’t they have a civil war. what been going on here is nothing more than civil war.

    Tell that to the Coalition!!


  45. Hops, Maybe we can arrange a new brain transplant for you, et al BU Bilge Pumpers, from the organ thiefs!


  46. BAFBFP:

    It is a pity that you have to resort to the use of expletives to make your point. That really detracts from any pertinent information that you may be relaying.

    Please, listen the the speeches that Gaddafi has made over the last month or so, all broadcast through his propaganda machinery… Tell me is he sane?

    Do you know that Gaddadi’s own embassidors turned on him and lobbied against him to have the no fly zone?

    Anyone who interested:
    http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/02/2011225165641323716.html
    http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/02/20112254231296453.html


  47. @BAFBFP
    Oh, NOW I get it. Terrorist bombings are actually government bombings inflicted on their own people in the US, UK and other “imperialist” countries to justify re-colonising the world. Silly me!! I should have realised. Thanks BAFBFP for finally straightening me out. And Rwanda – a western conspiracy to rid the world of some Africans. Of course! Why didn’t I figure it out? And Bosnia. A genocide organised by the western “imperialist” powers so that they could get their hands on all that olive oil. Silly me. I should have known better.


  48. LOL……

    Peltdown man…..lmao!!

    They (Europeans, Colonial powers, US etc) DID stand by and watched and played with words (genocide) before they acted on the conflicts you listed though, while this Resolution was passed and acted out in a few days, deny that and you ARE silly!!…lol.

    I just love BU….


  49. Hey Technician. That is my point. They stood by wringing their hands, watched the massacres and went in too late. I believe that this intervention was to avoid the same happening again. They almost blew it. But then who can blame them when they have rightly been criticized for their intervention in Iraq? This time they are damned if they do and damned if they don’t. The rantings that I’ve seen on this thread remind me a lot of those 20 year-old students in their 2nd year at university when they don’t have enough to do, too lame for sport, and go to all the conspiracy theory meetings on campus, only to come out spouting the same kind of crap that I’ve been reading above. Get a job and grow up!


  50. @Zoe…. R U serious? Do you really think I would believe such nonsense that the israelis would bomb the daylights out of the Palestinians and then turn around and patch them up? Zoe, get real man! Did you know that all these wars and blood-letting are really for them and their Rothschild empire, to dominate the whole world. They don’t have to worry about little folk like you in the Caribbean, they already have your mind on lockdown. Their fight is with the Arab/Muslim people who will resist them with their lives. They have had it in for Ghadaffi for the longest. The zionist wants to control that whole region. So Zoe, wake to hell up man! Those that you so love are the perpetrators of destabilization of many societies on this planet. THEY ARE THE ENEMY!

    ****************

    When will Jewlian Assange let us know that Zoe’s favourite people were planning to nuke to US cities and blame Pakistan?

The blogmaster invites you to join the discussion.

Trending

Discover more from Barbados Underground

Subscribe now to keep reading and get access to the full archive.

Continue reading