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Submitted by ROK (as a comment)

The food that you eat everyday is laced with drugs. The amount of people dying from cancer; the amount of people with asthma; the amount of people with diabetes, where did you think they get these conditions from?

Consider this. We have a flour mill in Barbados bleaching white flour as it has been bleached for about the last 50 years. Now the by-product from bleaching flour is a substance called Alloxan . Look it up.

Alloxan is a drug that is used to induce diabetes in rats so that scientists can study diabetes. They used to fool us that diabetes was hereditary. We know that it is the flour and that drug that eats away at your pancreas. You legally buy the flour that is killing you and these people selling it to you at record profits, but you are not complaining. You want to lock away your own people who, like the shop-keeper getting the flour, getting their hard drugs from the large drug lords and selling them the same way.

I put it to you, that the drug retailer is as innocent (or guilty) as the shopkeeper who selling flour and those who making and wholesaling the flour are no different from the ones making the cocaine or crack. They are as equally damaging but I don’t hear you say lock up the flour mill and the shopkeeper for selling things that destroying people’s lives.

You understand that you cannot get away from the alloxan flour? Bread, biscuits, bread crumbs that you put in your gravy, the dumplings, coconut bread, etc… but also whole wheat bread because they take the white flour and mix it back with bran flakes and some pills which are supposed to replace the wheat germ, cream of wheat, etc., that they take out of the original flour.

Just think about anything that is made from/with flour and to eat it is to destroy your life. Let’s go:

Batter to fry chicken (meats) with;
the sweet biscuits you give you children;
the corn curls;
You are a vegetarian and eat gluten?
The muffins;
the stuffing
the fish cakes
the patties
the shortbread
salt bread
sandwich bread
cookies of all types
and the list goes on.

Just take a look at the labels on the foods you buy and you will find either flour or modified corn starch. These are the foods with the drugs that are destroying our lives, not the drug dealers.

As for marijuana, I hope that you know that Canada is a leading cultivator of marijuana; legally too.

Take a look:

We cannot continue to be fooled by people who doing the same thing for bigger profits and then condemn our own in the worst way; wish death upon them, but smile all the way to the supermarket for a bag of flour. What is that?

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265 responses to “We Are What We Eat, Alloxan And All!”

  1. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    Normally, Bush Tea relies on ‘real real’ experts of the likes of MME, GP, Crusoe, ST and Terence to shed light at this point, but as a bush man this one is hard to resist….

    You are dead right about the white flour. It should be passing strange that ‘someone’ would take a perfectly good natural product and process it to the point where it becomes essentially a poison. There are many reasons:
    1 – the end product has an extended shelf life
    2 – the ‘value added’ processing enhances the selling price and hence the profits
    3 – in spite of all the evidence to the contrary, we still equate ‘processed’ with better.

    Now here is the tricky bit:
    While this product is not very beneficial as a nutritious meal to anyone, it happens to be PARTICULARLY BAD for persons with blood type O compared for example to type A, B or AB.

    (I am assuming here that you are familiar with the research which strongly suggests that a person’s blood type dictates that persons reaction to different food types where one man’s food can be another man’s poison.)

    Now guess how the different blood types are generally distributed…..

    Perhaps we can also explore why ‘they’ insist on putting poison in practically all our toothpaste; Aspartame in the drinks; MSG in almost every food possible, and fluoride in our water…..

  2. David Avatar
    David

    Doc GP’s perspective will be very interesting on this one.

    Doc P do you agree with ROK and Bush Tea or not?

    This is serious business.

  3. John Da Silva Avatar
    John Da Silva

    While I will always support people eating less refined and more natural foods, this article contains a lot of misinformation.

    It is true that Alloxan is produced as a by product of the bleaching process of flour and that it is used to induce a reaction similar to diabetes in mice when given in large quantities.

    However, Alloxan is not toxic to human pancreas (your own Wikipedia link states this). The quantities of Alloxan in white flour are very small (less than one millionth of a gram per gram of flour) and there is no evidence that trace amounts of Alloxan cause any health effects in human.

    http://oss.mcgill.ca/everyday/alloxan.pdf

  4. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    White flour bad. Whole wheat good.

    Hoping for the expert opinion of Dr.GP.

  5. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    Because it selectively kills the insulin-producing beta-cells found in the pancreas, alloxan is used to induce diabetes in laboratory animals. This occurs most likely because of selective uptake of the compound due to its structural similarity to glucose as well as the beta-cell’s highly efficient uptake mechanism (GLUT2).

    However, alloxan is not toxic to the human beta-cell, even in very high doses, probably due to differing glucose uptake mechanisms in humans and rodents

  6. J Avatar
    J

    I’ll repeat “We and our children are getting diabetes because we are eating too much, high calorie, low fibre foods, in quantities that are way too large and we are not getting enough exercise”

    Every single one of those diabetic children (and women and men) is heavier than they should be.

    They need to eat less and run ’bout more

    And you should encourage them to do so instead of pretending that they are the hapless and helpless victims of some white conspiricy.

  7. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Here is an opinion from an endocrinologist on the causation of diabetes. It is fairly comprehensive I think.
    Enjoy!

    The aetiology and pathophysiology of diabetes mellitus

    Aetiology of Type 1
    Due to selective destruction of pancreatic beta cells by an autoimmune process – assumed to occur following an environmental trigger in genetically susceptible individuals absolute insulin deficiency.

    Aetiology – Type 1 – Genetics
    Genetic susceptibility – HLA-DR3, -DR4, B8 and B15 predispose to diabetes (account for 40% of the genetic susceptibility). However, the majority of those who are genetically predisposed do not develop diabetes. Risk of developing diabetes when close relative has diabetes are 30% for identical twins, 5% for siblings and 6% for offspring.

    Aetiology – Type 1 – Environment
    Environmental – could be viral (several have been implicated – Coxsackie B4, retroviruses, rubella, cytomegalovirus, Epstein-Barr); diet (cow’s milk has been implicated); stress
    Viruses may initiate immune mediated damage to beta cells by direct destruction, by the generation of cytokines that can damage the beta cells or by molecular mimicry

    Immune destruction
    Markers of immune mediated damage include:
    – islet cell autoantibodies (ICA)
    – insulin autoantibodies (IAA)
    – glutamic decarboxylase autoantibodies (GAD)
    – tyrosinephosphatases autoantibodies (IA-2)

    Individuals are insulin deficient (absolute insulin deficiency) – hyperglycaemia occurs when about 75% of beta cells are destroyed.

    Clinical onset is generally acute, but destruction of beta cells had been progressive for many years prior to diagnosis – preclinical stage may be up to 5 – 7 years

    Hypothetical Stages of Type 1
    1. Genetic susceptibility
    2. Triggering of immune response by environmental agent
    3. Autoimmunity develops – antibodies detectable include ICA (islet cell antibodies), IAA (insulin autoantibodies) and anti-GAD.
    4. Clinical diabetes
    5. Remission (honeymoon phase)
    6. Relapse – need insulin for survival

    Aetiology – Type 2
    – Insulin resistance creates a relative insulin deficiency. Insulin resistance can be due to a number of reasons – tends to occur in those that are obese.
    – Consensus is that the aetiology is a multifactorial interaction of environmental and genetic factors

    Aetiology – Type 2 – Genetics
    – genetic predisposition for Type 2 diabetes is stronger than for Type 1
    – concordance rates in monozygotic twins is almost 100%
    – magnitude of genetic contribution is unknown
    – probably involves several genes

    Aetiology – Type 2 – Environment
    i) Lifestyle:
    – overeating, obesity and inactivity are a high risk for type 2
    – most of type 2 patients are obese, but only a few obese people develop diabetes
    ii) Malnutrition in utero
    – retrospective analysis has shown an inverse relationship between weight at birth and type 2 diabetes in late adulthood
    – suggested that malnutrition in utero may damage beta cell development
    iii) Age
    iv) Ethnicity

    Thrifty genotype hypothesis:
    A genetic trait that was important to survival (ability to go without food for extended period) is now detrimental due to abundant food supplies and reductions in physical activity. First proposed by Neel in 1962. Certain populations (largely indigenous populations) have developed what is considered a ‘thrifty gene’ that allows them to survive period of famine when food is in short supply – this ‘thrifty gene’ is associated with a metabolic efficiency that allows storage of calories as fat with minimal energy expenditure. However, when food is plentiful, as occurs in many of these cultures today (the ‘westernisation’ of diet), the ‘thrifty gene’ predisposes to obesity (especially central obesity) – this may account for the increased risk for development of diabetes

    Insulin resistance
    – Insulin resistance plays a central role – “the insulin resistance syndrome” (syndrome X, plurimetabolic syndrome, metabolic syndrome)
    – clustering of conditions – type 2 diabetes, central obesity, hypertension & dyslipidaemia.

    Insulin resistance is of two types – insulin insensitivity & insulin unresponsiveness

    Can be due to:
    1) Abnormality in insulin molecule
    2) Defects in target cells/tissues (most common cause)
    3) Excessive amounts of antagonists

    Other aspects of type 2 pathophysiology
    – No initial decrease in mass of beta cells, but later get amyloid deposits – role in pathogenesis is unclear.
    – Eventually get failure of beta cell secretion of insulin.
    – Endothelial dysfunction and leptin physiology also plays important roles in Type 2 diabetes.

    Gestational Diabetes
    – During pregnancy, sensitivity to insulin decreases (placental hormones affect glucose tolerance)
    – beta cells may not be able to meet this increased need for insulin gestational diabetes
    – occurs in up to 14% of pregnancies
    – This increases subsequent risk of developing type 2 diabetes
    – Increased risk for perinatal mortality and neonatal morbidity.

  8. The People's Democratic Congress Avatar
    The People’s Democratic Congress

    “Lack of confidence and uncertainty are two invisible liabilities in an economy that could have disastrous consequences for its overall performance.

    News of the sickness of Prime Minister and Minister of Finance David Thompson could affect any short-term recovery.

    There are a number of initiatives, including the Four Seasons Project, that could be put on hold pending the diagnosis of Mr. Thompson’s illness.

    This is the nature of business activity, and the administration and Cabinet must not do anything to further compromise the uncertainty.

    During the next few weeks any unsavoury jostling for power will send bad signals to the market and could result in further deterioration of the economy. It is important that there is some measure of continuity and stability in economic policy positions.

    The international situation is not all rosy in light of the bailout of the Greek economy, and the euro and pound will likely weaken for the foreseeable future, with some impact on tourism.

    The other issue to consider is the expected June budget of the new coalition government in Britian. It is well known that it will significantly reduce the budget deficit and cut social spending. The initial adjustment is going to be painful.

    On a regional level, there is going to be a new government in Trinidad and Tobago, our major regional trading partner, with significant investments in Barbados. Neither party has given its intention on its position in terms of strengthening the CARICOM Single Market and Economy.

    As a matter of fact, it seems to be a dead issue at the moment and has not been on the lips of Caribbean leaders in recent times. Granted, the situation in Antigua and Jamaica does not inspire confidence but the regional integration movement is lacking in leadership and direction.

    We seem to be going nowhere fast and it is going to require real political statesmanship to chart a way forward for CARICOM out of the economic mess brought on by the international financial crisis.

    If there is any one out there who fits the bill, we are yet to here them.

    We would, however, give our best wishes to Mr. Thompson for a speedy recovery.”

    The above piece was derived from the editorial of the Monday, May 24, 2010 edition of the Barbados Business Authority.

    For us, there are three things about that editorial that ring alarm bells.

    1) The idea of “unsavoury jostling for power”.

    We want to let many BU commenters and many visitors to BU know that there are already moves behind the scene by some within the DLP to engender a virtual environment – both inside and outside of the party – whereby the Democratic Labour Party is seen at this stage by many people in Barbados and further afield to be involved in the process of preparing itself for an eventual successor to Mr. Thompson.

    This is NOT rumour.

    These are the COLD HARD facts.

    However, it is distasteful and contemptible that such brazen crass behaviour is being carried out at this time when there has not even been any public knowledge of confirmation of the Prime Minister’s illness, nor any statements by the Prime Minister to such an effect of the revealing of the true state of his health, and furthermore at this time when there have been no statements from him yet too on the extent to which his illness, once clearly diagnosed, will really duly affect the carrying out of his prime ministerial rights and responsibilities, and too on the extent to which it may help to define what his political career will look like in the near future and beyond.

    2) The “not so rosy” evolving international political economic situation and its continuing political material and other effects on Barbados.

    As it stands now, the US – the world’s biggest economic region – is on a path to political economic recovery – albeit a weak one so far.

    China, India, other so-called emerging and non-emerging Asian countries, and all the other so-called emerging political economies are the ones that have been reported by many people across the world to be leading many of the recoveries in the global political economy.

    But, where the EU – the second biggest economic region – is concerned, where the debt financial crises in some eurozone countries are concerned , and the drastic fiscal and financial measures that are or have been announced by some EU countries so far – Greece, Italy, Spain, Great Britian, etc. to rein in their excessive national budgets over the next couple of years and in the case of the eurozone countries to protect the euro, the financial effects that these announcements are already having on multifarious global stock markets, and the types of political economic measures and politicies that are being and that will ultimately be put in place by the relevant EU governments, these will no doubt help serve to put the EU region back into recession.

    Barbados which does much trade with many EU countries will be bound to be adversely affected by such a double dipped recession in Europe, esp. as it relates to its tourism, construction and international business sectors.

    Thus, the so-called Barbados economy will remain in depression for a longer time to come.

    3) On the stark pathological psychological laziness: if there is any one out there who fits the bill, we (?) are yet to hear them.

    While we suppose we are not the type of real political statesmanship that the author of that political editorial is looking at, we are sure that our party – the PDC – has got, et al, the right type of confidence, motivation, several of the ideas and policies that are needed to not only pull Barbados out of this dire and depressing economic financial situation, and onto a sustained path of political material financial development, BUT also in the end to assist in providing the leadership that is necessary for CARICOM to come out of this great period of political economic stagnation and decline.

    So, it is clear that the editorial writer (s) must have been living on Mars NOT to already realize what important ideas and principles and partial solutions we have for Barbados, CARICOM and the rest of the world !!

    If the editorial writer(s) of that piece would have been following us over the recent years, they would have long realized that it is with those aforegoing purposes in mind that we would have long ago decided to promulgate such progressive enlightened principles and policies like the ABOLITION OF TAXATION IN BARBADOS, THE ABOLITION OF INTEREST RATES, THE ABOLITION OF MOTOR VEHICLE INSURANCE, ALL EXCHANGE RATES PARITIES WITH THE BARBADOS DOLLAR, MAKING INSTITUTIONAL LOANS FOR PRODUCTIVE PURPOSES NON-REPAYABLE, AND OTHER PROGRESSIVE PRINCIPLES AND POLICIES including the fact that a Barbados under a PDC Government will be promoting regional integration mainly among predominantly black countries and the black segments of other counties of this CARICOM region.

    Such editorial writers must absolutely desist from thinking that only certain university programmed, westernized, advanced professional people, certain eurocentrized political people are the ones who are the most capable of bringing about the best most efficacious ideas, policies and partial solutions for the future growth and development of Barbados and the CARICOM region.

    They must certainly stop THAT NONSENSE AND IGNORANCE of only looking in those directions for those less than progressive ideas and policies and partial solutions that will certainly hardly help provide betterment and amelioration for our Barbadian people and many other CARICOM peoples.

    And they must stop THAT FOOLISHNESS AND FOLLY of only looking in those directions for the emergence of political statesmen and stateswomen of Barbados, and the wider CARICOM as well, or not it continue being the case – but not the only unpleasant case – that we ( the broad masses and middle classes in CARICOM) and they will continue to face – mainly and very precisely – the very dreaded and brute consequences of stupidly remaining with the status quo – of that of most of us in Barbados and the rest of CARICOM now having to struggle against countless dire dismal depressing material financial circumstances at this stage.

    So, what an ugly, ogre-like price to pay, indeed!!

    Thank You.

    PDC

  9. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    As pointed out by John DaSaliva the rant by King Rok contains a lot of misinformation, as usual

    Points to note
    1- Alloxan (2,4,5,6-tetraoxypyrimidine; 2,4,5,6-pyrimidinetetrone) is an oxygenated pyrimidine derivative. Alloxan bears NO structural similarity to glucose It does not look anything like glucose! GLUT2 transporters are specific for glucose.

    Since alloxan is a pyrimidine one would expect it to more likely affect our genetic information by attempting to be incorporated into DNA or RNA. However, it is obviously not because of the strictness of DNA replication and protein synthesis.
    2 It is NOT used as a DRUG anywhere by anyone!

    3 Bajans are more likely to get diabetes from alcoholism and obesity! Alcoholism is a well know cause of both acute and chronic pancreatitis and damage to pancreatic tissue.

    4 Common sense (and a little knowledge) would suggest that, because of the “first pass effect” alloxan or and any chemical is more/most likely to damage the LIVER than the pancreas. This is especially so in the light of the finding that “the quantities of Alloxan in white flour are very small (less than one millionth of a gram per gram of flour)”

    5 Common sense (and a little knowledge) would suggest that such a small quantity would be extracted by the liver in the first by pass.

    6- There is no evidence that trace amounts of Alloxan cause any health effects in human.

    7- J has more correctly opined that folk “ need to eat less and run ’bout more” although on checking the list of causes of diabetes, it is not quite as easy as this. But we should do as she suggests and “ encourage them to do so instead of pretending that they are the hapless and helpless victims of some white conspiricy.”

    Clearly, if you want advice about chemistry, biochemistry, diabetes, or epidemiology and biostatistics you don’t listen to the rants of a braying donkey when he brays “We know that it is the flour and that drug that eats away at your pancreas.”

    Totally false and spurious, unfounded, unproven, unsubstantiaed propaganda- as usual!

    But we ask too much to expect the omniscient BU braying donkey when attempting to extrapulate the results carried out in rodents to note the significance that large amounts of alloxan were used in the mice compared to their body mass.

    I will ask David to upload a short power point to illustrate the concept of by passing the liver.

    NOTE THAT THE CONTENTS OF THE GUT GO TO THE LIVER FIRST!

    During the “first by pass effect ” the liver will remove at least half of any xenobiotic or foreign chemical that reaches it!

    Hence the LIVER, and NOT the pancreas would be/is affected when a potential poison is taken into the body, orally.

  10. Pearl Avatar
    Pearl

    I’ve no medical experience but over the years people have announced so many things kill you or give you cancer. I think years ago when I heard the talk that bubble bath and coffee can give you cancer, I threw my hands up in the air. Just seems like nothing is any good for you and perhaps the best thing to do is to stick to those things that seem to have the least affect. So it no surprise if flour is doing you something.

    To be honest I’ve started to believe the problem is in the world’s water supply. All those years of testing bombs at sea and burying nuclear waste in the oceans has to do some damage. Clouds absorb water, to get over a mountain they release rain, the rain water eventually gets into your fruit and veg and so on into the human body. Albeit small quantities but over the years it would probably have some affect.

    By all means I am not saying to give up the charge against products that are causing us harm……just that the extent of the problem is huge.

  11. Terence M. Blackett Avatar
    Terence M. Blackett

    @ ROK

    Thank you for that vivid piece of confirmation…

    It was quoted way back as far as the late 1800’s right into the early 19th century by health reform pioneers like E.G. White, Jethro Kloss, J.H. Kellogg et al that (and I quote) – “THERE IS A LOT OF RELIGION IN A LOAF OF BREAD”…

    Oh how true that is…

    Today, men are forced through ignorance, apathy and dislocated information to “EAT THE BREAD THE DEVIL* KNEADS”…

    If God can’t save us – I DON’T BELIEVE SCIENCE WILL EITHER!!!

    All that will happen is we will continue having “food-fights” over meager morsels and pitiful rations…

    Do excuse my philosophical sop!!!

  12. Terence M. Blackett Avatar
    Terence M. Blackett

    Wheatgem et al conclude that in the manufacture of white flour, manufacturers first remove the wheat seed’s bran, its six outer layers, and the germ (or embryo) which contains 76% of the vitamins and minerals.

    Hence 97% of the dietary fiber is already lost to evisceration and depletion.

    Once this has taken place, there are many things that are added to the UNHOLY* mix such as potassium bromate, emulsifiers, ammonium carbonate, alum, chalk, sorbitan mono-saturate and worst of all chlorine dioxide.

    A few “SYNTHETIC” nutrients (the brave new world of J. Craig Venter et al) are then added back into the white flour and it is then called “enriched.”

    In actuality, there has been no real “enrichment” of the original product, but deception and destruction of the life-giving properties of one of the many perfect creations we find in nature (let call it quantum manipulation – LOL).

    Laboratory rats usually die in a week to ten days when placed on a diet of white flour.

    All of the chemicals from white flour and other elements in our environment wreak havoc on the human body.

    Humans were not designed nor equipped to ingest cumulative chemicals.

    A tremendous amount of strain is placed on the pancreas when it is forced to try to protect the body from chemicals.

    It cannot, at the same time, adequately perform its critical role of protecting the body from diseases.

    Whole wheat flour and other whole-grain flours retain their bran, germ, and nutrients, and the vitamin E present in whole-grain flours acts as a natural preservative that keeps it from turning rancid for several months, after which it can be refrigerated or frozen.

    Don’t be deceived by products that are advertised as whole grain, but really are not.

    They may have some whole grains in them, but there may be a lot of other unnecessary and unhealthy ingredients.

    For example, if bread is soft, it is NOT* primarily whole grain.

    It should be firm, heavy, and “grainy” with texture – not spongy.

    Make sure you read all ingredients carefully on all products – be an educated CONSUMER (if there any still left)…

  13. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    @Terence M. Blackett: “…be an educated CONSUMER (if there any still left)…

    In terms I’m sure you will appreciate and understand…

    The “smart money” assumes that the nominal CONSUMER is not educated nor critical.

    And, sadly, the “smart money” is right….

  14. Yardbroom Avatar
    Yardbroom

    Something Needs To Be Said

    I do not set out to please or annoy but there are times when things should be said…an elapse of time is no barrier.

    Something ago on this Blog (Barbados Underground) I witnessed one of the most disgraceful “personal attacks” on a fellow blogger, it was uncalled for and as far as I could ascertain no response or statement warranted it. At the time I said nothing not wishing to give it legs. However, it was sad in its execution, that someone could derive pleasure from engaging in a “personal attack” of that kind on a fellow blogger takes some understanding. Be against ideology, opinion, politics but being mean personal and spiteful on a public forum is beyong the pale. Disgraceful.

    I have said it, so be it, it matters little to me if I am taken to task but I feel better in knowing I have done the right thing.

    I mention no names this is not “personal” but if we do not respect others we do not deserve it ourselves. Malicious attacks on “everyone” has to be seen in the same light.

  15. Yardbroom Avatar
    Yardbroom

    “Sometime ago”…

  16. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    @Yardbroom…

    What you have to understand (as I think and hope you do) is that that BU represents and presents a forum for “free speech” which has never been available to many people.

    IMHO, it is OK if someone attacks another. It simply shows that the attacker is weak.

    What I personally enjoy is when those attacked laugh off the attack (with, of course, counter strikes), and keep on doing what they believe is right and correct…

    For what that is worth….

  17. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    s/which has never been available/which has never before been available/

  18. Yardbroom Avatar
    Yardbroom

    @ Christopher Halsall

    Read and Understood.

  19. ac Avatar
    ac

    @Yardbroom
    The tongue is sharper than a twoedged sword.
    You arewhat you SAY!
    You are what youthink!

  20. David Avatar
    David

    Another interesting presentation compliments of Doc P.

  21. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Some of us like to pretend that we know, when we dont.
    Some of us, when corrected by authorities on the subject refuse to be corrected and twist and turn words as they seek to attack others.

    However, please kindly note that the correct quotation ought to be ……….
    For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Hebrews 4:12.

    Can any of you add anything of substance to whether alloxan really poisons a persons pancreas? Or refute the fact that diabetes in Barbados is commonly related to alcoholism?. Or will we only engage in non secquiturs?

    Can any ome present any evidence that the use of products containing flour (with or without alloxan) causes disease? Come on Researcher and freewilly go searching? Lol.

    To answer BT re aspartame.
    Aspartame is the combination of two amino acids.

    Aspartame consists of a methyl ester of L-aspartate and L-phenylalanine. One supposes that the manufacturers expected that on hydrolysis in the stomach that the two amino acids would be released, and that there would be no harm.

    This sugar substitute, sold commercially as Equal and NutraSweet, was hailed as the savior for dieters who for decades had put up with saccharine’s unpleasant after taste.

    But there are quite a few problems with aspartame.
    The first is phenylketonuria (PKU). Phenylketonurics should avoid aspartame because aspartame contains the amino acid phenylalanine.
    Aspartame, which contains phenylalanine, and products containing aspartame should be avoided by children with phenylketonuria

    Aspartame apparently causes other issues.

    BT also inquired about MSG. The MS part is OK, and they also thought that the Glutamete part would be OK since glutamate is an amino acid that can be made in the cels from the Kreb’s cycle intermediate alpha keto glutarate, and since glutamate is known to be used as a precursor in many biosynthethic processes in the body.

    However, glutamate in excess causes trouble in the brain where it has a role as a neurotransmitter I have commented and posed a powe point on the excitatory effects of glutamate in the thread on the Atkins Diet. .

  22. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Terence M. Blackett

    This part of your post makes sense
    Whole wheat flour and other whole-grain flours retain their bran, germ, and nutrients, and the vitamin E present in whole-grain flours acts as a natural preservative that keeps it from turning rancid for several months, after which it can be refrigerated or frozen.
    Don’t be deceived by products that are advertised as whole grain, but really are not.
    They may have some whole grains in them, but there may be a lot of other unnecessary and unhealthy ingredients.
    For example, if bread is soft, it is NOT* primarily whole grain.
    It should be firm, heavy, and “grainy” with texture – not spongy.
    Make sure you read all ingredients carefully on all products – be an educated CONSUMER (if there any still left)…
    THE REST IS SCIENTIFIC RUBBISH! //

    Re Laboratory rats usually die in a week to ten days when placed on a diet of white flour.
    All of the chemicals from white flour and other elements in our environment wreak havoc on the human body.

    QUESTION: Why do you suppose that humans all over the world who are eating white bread “with all the chemicals” are not dying like fleas or rats?
    Why do you suppose that humans all over the world who are ingesting all sorts of chemicals in their work places and from the environments are not dying like fleas or rats?

    I am not saying that these conditions are ideal. I am asking you to think!

    If humans were not designed nor equipped to ingest cumulative chemicals, how do you suppose that so many Bajans who abuse alcohol and other drugs survive? Well they do until 90% of their livers have been destroyed, and replaced by fibrous connective tissue.

    Re A tremendous amount of strain is placed on the pancreas when it is forced to try to protect the body from chemicals. It cannot, at the same time, adequately perform its critical role of protecting the body from diseases.

    Please kindly note that the PANCREAS’s role is NOT TO PROTECT THE BODY FROM CHEMICALS NOR DOES IT HAVE THE CRITICAL ROLE OF PROTECTING THE BODY FROM DISEASES. Man the pancreas cant even protect it self from disease.

  23. Readydone Avatar
    Readydone

    Good topic Rok!

    Can anyone live a life without white rice or flour? That is very hard to do at this time.

    My problem is with the modern food chain and how we get or food.

    Producers of food only want your money. They are not your friends so why do you trust them with your food? You don’t. We eat these things not because we choose to but because we have to. It is currently more convenient to buy unhealthy food than to grow healthy food, unless you have an aquaponic system like i do!

    The natural food chain (natural food)is no longer relevant in modern society the food chain now consist of seed producer > farmer > processors > numerous middle men and finally to YOU the consumer who pays every one in the food chains mortgage with your purchase.

    The driving force of the modern food chain MONEY. So they try to extract the most money possible but Mother nature makes things spoil when its no longer healthy to eat so in an effort to sell it before it goes bad the modern food chain uses whatever methods it can to keep food appearing fresh long after it should have spoilt making most things we eat unhealthy

    But the producers of food are in it for your money not your health, that is the doctors job.

  24. David Avatar
    David

    On a related note MP’s James Paul comments are provocative but hitting the mark?

    UWI ‘FAILED’
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    GOVERNMENT backbencher James Paul has criticised the “intellectuals” at the University of the West Indies for failing to assist the productive sector.
    Paul, who is chief executive officer of the Barbados Agricultural Society, charged that too often the sector had to rely on experts from “outside” to help solve problems.
    “The University of the West Indies has been around for over 40 years, and I believe we are at a stage where, instead of having to rely on the research that has been conducted by overseas universities on a constant basis, the UWI should be developing the capability that says they can go into a situation and come up with solutions in the productive sector,” Paul argued.
    He made the comments while speaking in the House of Assembly during a resolution to approve the guarantee of US$2.75 million from the Caribbean Development Bank to UWI for the financing of the University Enhancement Project.
    Paul suggested that one of the reasons for the hesitance on the part of the “intellectuals” at UWI to assist the productive sector was that the products were being developed by “very ordinary people”.
    He charged that if it was “somebody of a different colour dispensation” they might get quicker action from the UWI.
    He pointed out that the university had a critical role to play in ensuring that the Caribbean had a stable, competitive and productive sector.
    He said in the past the UWI had not really addressed the fundamental needs of the productive sector, but he said the University Enhancement Project spoke to what we really needed.
    Paul explained that there were some producers who were not aware of the standards involved in the production of their products, adding that there were some technical specifications in the production of those products that also needed to be addressed.
    “The fact that we have the University of the West Indies, they should certainly be able to wrap their minds around the problems that our producers are facing to make them more competitive in today’s environment. Unless the university addresses the issue of making our productive sector better able to compete in the current economic environment that we are in it will be a signal failure for us as a nation,” he charged. (MB)

  25. Crusoe Avatar
    Crusoe

    @GP,

    Read your presentation on Glutamate, thanks.

    The questions:

    – reading recently on ALS, apparently there is an experimental drug to inhibit glutamate in early stage ALS, (as neurons cannot be revived for late stage).

    Is this hopeful?

    – you mention that insome cases the glutamate is endogenous, this is surprising, so basically it is an auto-immune over-reaction?

    – I guess this COULD be a reason for Muhammed Ali’s Parkinson’s i.e. after brain trauma?

    – MSG is commonly shown as an ingredient, which I and family avoid like the plague, for years now.

    To your knowledge, are there other ‘subtle’ similar substances that will also excite the process, that are either cleverly hidden or just slip past us, that we should avoid?

    Thanks.

  26. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    “Alloxan (2,4,5,6-tetraoxypyrimidine; 2,4,5,6-pyrimidinetetrone) is an oxygenated pyrimidine derivative. Alloxan bears NO structural similarity to glucose It does not look anything like glucose! GLUT2 transporters are specific for glucose.”
    …………………

    GP… while both you and John Da Silva are correct about the relatively harmless effect of alloxan on the human pancreas (particularly at the low levels existing in bread and other white flour products), your statement above is incorrect… it is in fact structurally similar to glucose…

    Glucose: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Alloxan.png

    Alloxin: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/Glucose_structure.svg

    The reason human pancreatic beta cells (which create insulin) have a relatively high resistance to alloxan, is because, unlike lab rats, human beta cells exhibit very low expression of the GLUT2 glucose transporter… (in simple language, GLUT2 is a protein that acts as the cell’s glucose ‘gatekeeper’, allowing it to pass through the cell membrane… alloxan carries a ‘fake glucose ID’ and causes trouble when he get inside LOL).

    … and to keep BT in the loop, one might want to ask whether any specific groups of people are predisposed to GLUT2 overexpression? I don’t know the answer to that one, but I en sure that I ready to give up fishcakes and bakes 🙂

  27. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    oops… glucose and alloxan images reversed in my post above.

  28. David Avatar
    David

    The discussion we need to have is the compound effect of all the man made crap has on the body over time.

  29. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    @BU.David: “The discussion we need to have is the compound effect of all the man made crap has on the body over time.

    What about the discussion about the compound effect of all the man made crap has on the ***mind*** over time?

  30. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    MME
    I have not been able to pull up your structure of glucose, however, whether you draw the structure of glucose in the straight, Fischer projection or Haworth formulae GLUCOSE IS NOT A PYRIMIDINE.

    Glucose does not have N atoms in its structure, nor does it have four keto groups. Glucose has hydroxyl groups (OH) and an aldehyde function (CHO) at its anomeric carbon. When glucose forms an intramolecular hemiacetal reaction it has a five membered ring, not six.

    MME I dont expect rok-esque statements from you man. Even BT laughing at you. LOL.

    David the compound effect of all the man made crap has on the body over time is debatable.

    I fugure that our current centenarians haveyou using some of this stuff from at leasat 1966. As I have indicated before the liver is very well designed and equipped to deal with the many xenobiotics we absorb via the skin, or inhale via the lungs or take in orally.

    Chemicals that are well disolved in fat are well absorbed via our skins. Many chemicals can be absorbed via the very thin endothelial cells in the lungs.

    Everything we imbibe orally goes to the liver first via the hepatic portal vein as clearly illustrated in the power point.

    The stuff inhaled or absorbed via the skin get to liver via the blood.

    The liver has very great machinery for dealing with all these foreign substances or xenobiotics

    When it comes to MR LIVER; we ae indeed FEARFULLY AND WONDERFULLY made. I didnt say that we should abuse our bodies. But there is so much going on around us. Hope this helps.

  31. ac Avatar
    ac

    The tongue is sharper than a two edged sword! not a quote from the biblebut a quote as said by ac

  32. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Crusoe
    I have just asked David to put up an extract from my old Neurochemistry series to give you back ground info. It was made for medical students, and I have no time to simplify. So see what you can do with it.

    Note re Muhammed Ali and Parkinson’s. This disease is caused by a defect in the neurotransmitter dopamine. Not glutamate.

    Note that aspartate, which is another player in the metabolism of protein and in biosynthesis, is one of the amino acids in aspartame . Like glutamate you will note that it is an excitatory neurotransmitter. Note that phenylalanine, the other amino acid in aspartame is implicated in Parkinsons. Interesting

    Note glutamate is endogenous because it is made as needed from alpha ketoglutarte made in the Krebs cycle.

    There is nothing wrong with glutamate per se. It is a major player in metabolism, especially to mop up ammonia thereby stopping it from crossing the blood brain barrier. It seems that excessive concentrations from using it in the diet is causing the excitatory problems.

    Re the experimental drug to inhibit glutamate in early stage ALS. Having ascertained that in ALS glutamate neurons are over firing the obvious ploy would be to try to inhibit glutamate neurons or to increase the activity of its antagonist inhibitors to reestablish balance. This might work if the drug is specific for glutamate receptors in the brain . One must consider also the likely side effects from the glutamate enjoining in normal reactions in which glutamate is usually involved in the periphery.

  33. Crusoe Avatar
    Crusoe

    @GP, thanks for the answers, will look at the presentation.

    Re aspartate / phenylalamine for aspartame, much used in diet drinks. I had read something sometime also, maybe rubbish or not that they also contrbute to haemorrhage in brain?

    Re Hepatic Portal Vein and Liver, this combination is the key one impacted by alcohol abuse, no? I had researched this sometime back (due to a friend’s illness), found that ialcohol prorbaly caused failure for these both (high pressure in portal vein, liver damage)?

    Re skin absorption / liver – no one usually thinks of this. I am astounded when one sees people outside their houses spraying obviously weedkiller etc/ in shorts and sandals instead of protective clothing, despite that the bottles clearly warn that one MUST wear protection.

  34. David Avatar
    David

    Here is the other presentation.

  35. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    LOL GP… you really disappoint me… seems you have forgotten your molecular modeling theory. Let me refresh your memory… MOLECULAR STERIC SIMILARITY… now put on your stereochemistry glasses and calculate the molecular steric volumes and electrostatic potentials for the alloxan and glucose molecules. Surely you were aware that this is how molecules are STRUCTURALLY matched when examining similarities in their biological action.

    Now to revisit your statements:

    – “Alloxan bears NO structural similarity to glucose” – FALSE… the two molecules are structurally similar in terms of both spatial and electrostatic behaviour.

    – “GLUT2 transporters are specific for glucose” – FALSE… it is a well known and established fact that GLUT2 also transports alloxan, which is structurally similar to glucose.

  36. David Avatar
    David

    @MME

    This should be interesting:-).

  37. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    MME
    You are talking from one perspective, and I from another. OK LOL

    We seem to be engaged in a “structural war” here.LOL
    I am sure that you can see where I am coming from, as these two substances are in completely different chemical classes. LOL

    You are a heavy roller though. And I respect that you can enlighten me here. LOL

  38. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Any body see Jill walker’s little dog yet today?
    Wonder why not? LOL

  39. Bonny Peppa Avatar
    Bonny Peppa

    Well de last time I see or hear Jill walker’s little dog was on BU at 1:02 pm. I thought he had pedigree. stupseeeeeeeeeeeee, he’s a lil salmon -tot retreiva. stupseeee.LOL

  40. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    @ Crusoe

    I have a cousin who is a physician but is into naturopathic medicine also. A few years ago he told me that aspartame is implicated in a lot of things. Maybe it does contribute to haemorrhage in the brain; but I cant say.

    Point is aspartame is bad. It apparently does not hydrolyse to tits constituent amino acids as the manufacturers and their advisors might have posited.

    In alcoholism the drug is transported to the liver via the Hepatic Portal Vein The result is an initial hepatitis, which when it heals forms fibrous tissue in the liver (called cirrhosis). As the insults to the liver continues eventually the liver fails, and the abuser is planted!

    No high pressure in the portal vein does not really cause liver damage in cirrhosis

    Re skin absorption / liver – no one usually thinks of this.
    Yes anything compound that is fat soluble can be absorbed via the fat in the skin (which is by the way or largest organ). This is a large area for absorption of weed killers or any other xenobiotic—- all the skin creams etc.

    Now you know why the Bengues and Vicks Vapo Rub and lin meth sal etc works. They ge into the blood stream via the blood.

  41. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    MME
    In all Medical Biochemistry texts you will read that “GLUT2 transporters are specific for glucose”. You of course know or have googled that there are at least 5 GLUT transporters.
    It may be an established fact that GLUT2 also transports alloxan in rats, but are you saying that it is also well known that it is so transported in humans.
    You of course know that molecular modeling theory & MOLECULAR STERIC SIMILARITY is not taught to medical students. That is very advanced Chemistry.

    Now you are talking about calculating molecular steric volumes and electrostatic potentials for the alloxan and glucose molecules, and that this is how molecules are STRUCTURALLY matched when examining similarities in their biological action. But you are not acknowledging that I am correct about the structure of alloxan being a pyrimidine with two nitrogen atoms and four keto groups, whereas glucose has no N atoms or keto groups. I am quite correct on what I have said. That is basic bread and butter Organic Chemistry.

    Perhaps you can send me the links you googled on molecular modeling theory and electrostatic potentials.

  42. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Crusoe

    I will ask David to up load a ppt on how substances are made from Krebs cycle intermediates.

    This is fundamental to understanding why the food industry tested and use certain substances as preservatives.

    Note that substances made (endogenously) in the cycle are leaving the cycle to engage in making other amno acids, making prodicts like heme , making glutamate to act in its several jobs including mopping up ammonia etc.

    Another time I can show you how foods get into the cycle and how we get ATP (the currency we pay to get things done in our bodies, i.e energy) in ter alia.

    Again because of being busy, I have not edited the ppt, which was made for my Biochem students.

  43. David Avatar
    David

    Another presentation from Doc P.

  44. Crusoe Avatar
    Crusoe

    @GP / David,

    Just read the first PP, thnaks very much. Excellent truly. Will re-read to gain better understanding.

    Now makes sense on why phenyalaline is put into diet drinks, LOL.

    Am I correct in saying, via the process described, that high levels input will increase dopamine or dopamine transfer in the brain?

    Process is very complex indeed, what I am surprised at is the importane of Mg, Zinc, Calcium, Sodium and Potassium in the process.

    Quite something. I will re-read.

    Effect of nicotine also interesting. Reason being addictive now known.

    Will read second PP later, gotta get going.

    Thanks again.

  45. Crusoe Avatar
    Crusoe

    By the way, your presentation proves that we are daily putting s… into our body, with potentially devastating results.

  46. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Re Just read the first PP, thnaks very much. Excellent truly.
    GLAD YOU ENJOYED IT
    Will re-read to gain better understanding. YOU SHOULD

    Re Now makes sense on why phenyalaline is put into diet drinks, LOL.

    I don’t think that is the point.
    Perhaps you would be mmore correct to say Now makes sense why phenyalaline might cause trouble if used in excess by those who use lots of diet drinks.

    I am not saying that phenylanine is a problem per se to everyone. We know that some don’t have the enzymes to metabolize it- the phenylketonurics. These folk MUST avoid this amino acid anyway from birth. For others phenylanine is just another amino acid in our diets. It is probably for this reason that the manufacturers use aspartate and phenylanine – they are normal amino acids in our diets and are incorporated into our proteins.

    What I am saying is does using an excess of aspartame cause trouble because it is hydrolyzed to its components aspartate and phenylalanine—which ought to be OK, or is it metabolized to other compounds that might cause trouble?

    If aspartame is indeed hydrolyzed to its components aspartate and phenylalanine might the increasing levels of aspartate cross the blood brain barrier and cause increased excitation, since aspartate like glutamate are natural excitatory neurotransmitters.
    One might ask why does not the usual feedback mechanisms stop this?

    Research is needed on all the above.

    Re
    Am I correct in saying, via the process described, that high levels input will increase dopamine or dopamine transfer in the brain?

    Dopamine is a normal neurotransmitter. When it ceases to be produced Parkinsons is the result and the patient presents with RATS.
    R igidity said to be board
    A akinesia or difficulty with movement
    T tremor at rest
    S shuffling or festinating gait

    Re Process is very complex indeed. So it is.to med students too. Extract what you can. I will try to answer any questions that I can.

    Don’t be surprised at the role/ importane of Mg, Zinc, Calcium, Sodium and Potassium
    You probably know that Sodium and Potassium work together to help repolarize nerves and muscles, and controlling issues in the mucosal lining of the gut inter alia. Imbalances can lead to feeling of weakness, diarrhoea, hypertension and DEATH in the case of potassium imbalance!

    Ever felt tired and “freaky” while doing some hard work in the yard? Ever saw a white residue in your shirt after a good work out or hard work. You have lost salt. Drink a pint of lemonade and put some pot salt in it, or drink some fresh or any orange juice and add a little pot salt – see if you don’t feel better.

    Mg, Zinc, are two of the most important minerals. They help enzymes to stabilize enzyme substrate complexes. Think! You have a little boy learning to walk you hold one hand, his momma holds the other hand to stabilize him……..now he can do the reaction of walking.

    Remember Mg, Zinc, are bivalent. They act just as I have outlined above. Very very important players in metabolism!
    Calcium is a big player here there and everwhere. When he starts leaking out of cells its usually trouble!

    Nicotine is also a neurotransmitter.

    Re
    By the way, your presentation proves that we are daily putting s… into our body, with potentially devastating results. Not really. It suggests that we should be aware of what is going on and NOT disseminate spurious unsound untrue unsubstantiated propaganda that can truly be called fear mongering! Ah lie?

    We must check our facts before we go to print. LOL

  47. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    @John Da Silva

    Trace amounts nuh? How will you regulate the amount of flour that a person consumes? If everything a person eats contains flour, the trace amounts add up to become a large quantity.

    I have stayed away from flour for years, even whole wheat flour. I found myself indulging a bit here and there, but never overdo. However, I was diagnosed with diabetes when I was working on a project over a three month period or so. During that time, because of my dislocation, I had white bread and soft drinks for breakfast lunch & dinner. By the end of the 3 months I was a mess. I would awaken in the morning and by 11 a.m. I was out like a light. So sleepy I could not stand up. I eventually went into a coma one day.

    I remember when I was leaving the hospital I told the doctor who attended me that there is no way that I will be able to stick myself every day of the rest of my life. He told me that he has never seen anybody in my condition come off insulin. However, with the project done, I resumed my healthy lifestyle and bit by bit, I had to keep lessening the insulin that I took because I was getting regular insulin attacks after taking the insulin. One day on a scheduled visit to the doctor, the lady doctor at the clinic tested me and after she looked at the result, she asked me, “Who told you that you are a diabetic?”

    Now I was of the opinion that there was no cure for diabetes and that once a diabetic always a diabetic. Having come across the story on Alloxan, I started to put 2 and 2 together in my own way, realising that the more I distanced myself from all flour, the more I went back to normal. Now, all I can say is that the short stint of ingesting white flour for breakfast, lunch and dinner over a three month period, put sufficient alloxan in my system to make me diabetic. I also concluded that the pancreas probably repaired itself, (since the damage was not over a long build-up period) as soon as I went back to my normal diet.

    Since then, I have heard that Father Harcourt Blackette also came off insulin. He had several articles in the press about it. Noteworthy is the fact that he cut out flour but he also attributes his recovery to exercise, etc. Well any body that is not exercised will decay.

    There were a few things my doctor told me. He said that I did not have the symptoms of a diabetic, so much so that after two days, they could not find out why I was in a coma. I remembered while in the coma (as they called it), the voice of a female doctor saying, why don’t you wake up and tell us what is wrong.

    He kept asking me if I had headaches on one side of my head. I had no circulation problems. My sight was not affected, but when they checked my blood sugar, it was 63, but I was alive. They did not think that I would have made it, but I lingered. When I was leaving the hospital 10 days later, my blood sugar was at 9. Talking about the nursing services will not be pleasant, but let me say that I refused the QEH food after my first day of consciousness. They brought sweetened juice at 5 a.m. then sweetened tea and bread for breakfast. Snacks were in similar vein (sweet and flour) and although I told them I was vegetarian, they still brought me meat on my plate telling me I could take off the meat. Imagine that? In this day and age! I must therefore, give thanks to the members of Pinelands Creative Workshop, without whose daily visits with breakfast, lunch and dinner, I certainly would not have survived the QEH. Probably may not have come out alive.

    My point is made by Bush Tea. I have to thank him for the info on the blood type as I was not aware that it was so critical. I think my blood type is A, but certainly not O; Type O is not what I remember.

    @David,
    Sorry for the break in communications as I was incommunicado for a few days.

  48. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    Having returned, I see that all these experts concocting all kinds of evidence of which they have no proof. Too many lies and deceit in the medical profession, so much so you can’t believe a word they say.

    Now I hearing that it will affect rats but not human beings. The excuses! Foolishness about the onset of diabetes because of alcoholism. Which children with diabetes are alcoholics?

    Furthermore, I would advise people to take all that comes from the medical profession with a pot spoon of salt. You cannot believe a word they say. All they try to do is allay your fears so that you go back eating and doing the foolishness, thinking that you are safe, while all the time you continue killing yourself.

    I had my experiences and they are far different from what the so-called medical gurus are saying. I am not going to throw away my experiences because I am alive today, not because of medical attention, but by my own wits. My problem with the medics we have here is that they are no wiser than a civilian, why? they don’t do any research and therefore are not positioned to verify or certify, they take the reports they get as gospel and all that does is keep our people in the trap.

    So the GPs and the Da Silvas could talk ’til the cows come home. They are terribly misinformed and all they do is spread propaganda. A perfect example is the swine flu mess. The same GP talked about protocols, which to my mind are only mechanisms to control the medical fraternity worldwide, so the big wigs could make super profits from the concoctions they are calling legal drugs. Our medics are controlled by how they practice and what they do. Who controlling them? The FDAs, the WHOs, etc. and by extension, the mass producers of drugs that controlling these agencies.

    All the insults that GP could come up with does not take away from the lawsuits in both England and USA where harm was caused to patients and the point must be made that many patients received compensation/damages for what was procedurally correct and recommended medical practice. In some cases, such as with autism, the courts have refused to give damages on grounds that it will open floodgates that would seriously affect the state’s ability to pay and stay in the business of offering medical services. What does this say? That the profession is guilty as charged.

    Hence, the consideration was not about compensation but of not crippling the state. All of this is evidence that the medical profession is known to be drastically wrong. All these years and we were hearing that diabetes was hereditary, another piece of evidence of how the deceit and propaganda was unwittingly perpetrated by the medical profession. I could still hear the infomercials, “If any of your family had/have diabetes, get checked.”

    So when the GPs come here talking BE, I say to people that the medical profession has been so badly discredited, that you had better think for yourself. This profession has been so badly discredited in the past, you can’t expect people to take you as an expert and that you have absolute knowledge. Anybody who does so, do that to their own detriment.

    We have a flour mill that could bleach the flour naturally, but you would want to risk human beings ingesting alloxan, so that the Flour Mill can continue to harvest its profits at the expense of innocent people.

    Let’s put it this way then, what is so good about alloxan that we must ingest it? What is the nutritional benefit? We could as well start putting gramoxone in foods too. How about that? In trace amounts it can’t harm the body, right?

    Next thing, the alloxan is one poison in trace amounts. What other poisons are in trace amounts in other everyday foods that, combined with the alloxan, is slowly poisoning our bodies and have our people so full of sickness?

    Right now Mr. Expert GP, Barbados is the amputation capital of the world. You can talk until the excrement covers your face. Something is happening to Bajans that we are not being told by the medical profession and so-called health experts. However, the essence of an expert is his/her ability to certify. Sadly, our experts cannot certify. They cannot go on a witness stand and say “I know” because they would be committing perjury. The most they can say is that they have confidence in their colleagues supplying the information but they cannot swear.

  49. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    @ROK… Welcome back.

    Without getting into any issues between you and others, may I please make the following observations?

    1. Have you noticed that if you watch US of A or British television, you’re generally presented with:

    1.1. Ads encouraging you to buy cars.

    1.2. Ads encouraging you to buy (legal) drugs. (“May cause anal leakage and/or death. Consult your doctor.”)

    1.3. Ads encouraging you to spend more money to buy “Probiotic Yogurt”.

    Meanwhile, here in Barbados, PINEHILL Dairy have introduced to the local marketplace “Ultra Pasteurised” milk. Let’s tell the truth — it tastes like rehydrated milk powder…

    @Pine Hill Dairy: Please tell me this:

    Why can the Bajan consumer no longer buy milk from you which has not been processed so deeply that it can survive on the shelf at ambient temperature for weeks?

    Is your new milk product Probiotic?

  50. David Avatar
    David

    Welcome back Rokie. Perhaps we need to cut out macaroni pie and exercise more.

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