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Leader of the Opposition Mia Mottley
Leader of the Opposition Barbados Labour Party Mia Mottley
Mr. Harold Hoyte is a founding member of the Nation Group and is President and Editor-in-Chief of The Nation Publishing Company in Barbados.
Harold Hoyte Editor Emeritus of The Nation Publishing Company
Lindsay Holder, former Chairman of the BAMC
Lindsay Holder is a former Chairman of the Barbados Agricultural Management Company Limited

Over the last couple years BU has articulated, we hope dispassionately, on the issue of the open immigration policy which was practiced by the previous government. At no time have we supported xenophobic behaviour or bigotry in the ensuing discourse. We have simply held a position that while Barbados should be committed to its obligations under the Treaty of Chaguaramus, it does not mean that our borders should be assaulted by all and sundry seeking the proverbial streets lined with gold at the expense of the vision which Barbadians have held-up for itself through the years. BU readers can do a search using the keyword โ€˜immigrationโ€™ to access the many blogs posted on this subject.

The conspiracy which has emerged across the region to spin a false position in response to Prime Minister David Thompsonโ€™s Ministerial Statement after he announced an amnesty for CARICOM nationals, has been blatant and symptomatic of a political and social immaturity.

Any interested observer of regional affairs would conclude that the issue of immigration is a topical one. Since the announcement by Thompson of the amnesty the issue has become accentuated. In the Advocate Newspaper of 14 June 2009 a Mr. Lindsay Holder was as clear as anyone can be in elucidating on the immigration issue which Barbados and the region is currently battling, he did so without the use of jargon, fuzzy logic, ideological or jingoistic biases. We highly commend the Advocate Newspaper for giving voice to this important issue which is being manipulated by politicians, academics, Fourth Estate and prominent and other influential persons in Barbados and across the region.

As the popular saying goes we will probably not agree with the many persons who submit articles to be published on BU, but we will always defend their right to be heard. In recent days BU in this vain would have published two submissions by George Braithwaite, a PhD Candidate in International Politics researching the topic of immigration in the region.

In the Sunday Sun of 14 June 2009 the headline Bad Rep, the Opposition Leader of Barbados Mia Mottley was highly critical of the Barbados governmentโ€™s new immigration policy. She suggested that Barbados isย  likely to suffer a backlash from some Caricom members as a result. The point which continues to elude Mottley is the fact that managing our borders is a matter of sovereignty and MUST not be dictated by those who themselves have done a muck-up job of managing their own countries.

Increasingly in recent weeks one of the characteristics which defines an American has beenย  been flickering in the minds of the BU household. The best definition we could find of what it meansย  to be an American is an unswerving support and devotion to our flag, our elected officials, our men and women in uniform. For others, patriotism means criticizing politicians when they take America in the wrong direction, protesting in the streetsโ€”sometimes even burning the flag. Patriotism also has complex ties to citizenship, race, and nationalism, as well as to the ways in which we remember our wars and the people who fought in them โ€“ University of Chicago.

Barbados for all that it has accomplished, and which has led to it being considered the island of opportunity in the region, has been allowing slowly but surely, a conspiracy by some to take root to undermine the Bajan success. The issue which Barbados faces is not honouring its obligations under the Treaty of Chaguaramus, but one of ensuring that it effectively manages the country in the way that it has successfully done in a post-independence era.ย  Many of the countries in the region who are crying foul of the new immigration policy i.e. Guyana and St. Vincent would do well to use Barbados as a model to their own revival of political and economic fortunes.

The two stakeholders in Barbados we are most disappointed are the Opposition Barbados Labour Party and the Fourth Estate. In the face of a regional conspiracy to undermine the reputation and goodwill of Barbados which was built under the astute management by successive governments, we have a situation now where for political expediency the government in waiting is safeguarding it legacy by confusing the illegal immigration problem faced by Barbados by masking its position in the known challenges of implementing a political and economic union. In another place BU used the analogy that if CARICOM/CSME were a regional company its profitability would hinge on an efficient implementation of aย  vertical integration strategy. CARICOM conversely has not done enough to strengthen and harmonize key institutions and procedures.

The Fourth Estate in Barbados has aided and abetted the vulnerable position which Barbados now finds itself by being unpatriotic in the positions is has taken, the Nation Newspapers and Voice of Barbados the main culprits. The media in Barbados has been generous in giving a voice to an anti-government sentiment concerning the immigration issue. The populist view in Barbados is a commonsense view that the previous governmentโ€™s position of allowing unskilled people whether from Guyana, Jamaica and elsewhere is untenable. Even the other ethnic groups from Europe and China have come under the microscope. Talk show host Dennis Johnson always uses the example that all are welcome to Barbados but it must be done under agreed terms. In other words if you are invited to someone’s home one still needs to knock on the door and remain seated in the sitting room before being invited to the bedroom. After all it is our home and respect and common courtesies are due!

The fact that our Fourth Estate in Barbados gives a generous voice to Rickey Singh, who continues to bite the hand which has fed him for so many years, and not give EQUAL voice to other views which represent ordinary Barbadians is disgusting. Bare in mind that Singh has not used his pen to expose the atrocities currently at play in Guyana.

The fact that the Fourth Estate ignores the hatchet job being done on the good reputation of Barbados by Singh, Saunders et al who are syndicated columnists and remain passive to respond is an indictment on their duty to accurately report the views of ordinary Barbadians who are its supporters.

The fact that the Guyanese media has been freely publishing articles which are unfairly critical of Barbadosโ€™ immigration policy with no response from the Barbados media except to cherry pick those opinions which support narrow political views is hypocrisy of a high level.

The fact that the media in Barbados continues to blackout reporting on the political and racial tensions in Guyana which have spurred an exodus of Guyanese to swarm the smaller Caribbean nations to the North is journalistic dishonesty.

The fact that the media has ignored the commonsense concern of ordinary Barbadians that learned behaviours derived in a Guyanese environment rifted with racial conflict may pose issues to the stable host population of Barbados is ignorant.

The fact that the Fourth Estate and the Opposition Party of Barbados led by Mia Mottley sit passively and allow Jagdeo to cherry pick the issue of immigration to undermine the earned good reputation of Barbados is unpatriotic. The known political and racial conflict in Guyana and the accommodation of unsavoury people like Roger Khan et al which have been left silent represent a betrayal of Barbados and a usurping of their core responsibilities.

The Chairmanship of CARICOM will be passed to Jagdeo in July, he will without a doubt use tit o promote his narrow interest.ย  It maybe the last straw which will break the backย  and or setback the regional initiative of CARICOM and the CSME.


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  1. David Thompsonโ€™s personal; inhumane, cruel and heartless deportation policy.

    ++++++++++++++++++

    The ongoing discussion on immigration and David Thompsonโ€™s personal; inhumane, cruel and heartless treatment of Caribbean nationals, especially indo-Guyanese – is not who we are as Barbadians.

    David Thompson and his tired outfit purport to be acting in the name of all Barbadians but that is misleading because they are confused about what is just, decent and humane.

    Such cruel and inhumane treatment of undocumented Caribbean immigrants has placed Barbados in the vulnerable position as being an uncaring, arrogant and insensitive people.

    Under this DLP rule of terror, Caribbean nationals (especially indo-Guyanese) are being rounded up like cattle and deported, while Chinese threaten to bulldoze the homes of Barbadians who were living on the land for over a half of a century.

    Brand name Europeans and others (even though here illegal) are allowed to stay because of their so-called, philanthropic capacity โ€“ the very one which the DLP craves and sees as a substitute for diminished remittances and its economic mismanagement.

    In share arrogance, it bothers English-born David Thompson little that regional scholars, respected regional journalist and Heads are disappointed that he is single handedly transforming Barbados into something that they cannot now recognise.
    The DLP is committed to nothing and no one except big business and those who it considers philanthropists.

    Its inhumane and discriminatory deportation policy therefore constitutes trademark DLP human rights violations, as well as the same cruel and inhumane treatment it gave persons from Nigeria who it imprisoned at a military base at Paragon, just like Bush did at Guantanamo.

    There is no direction or sense to the DLPโ€™s desperation to rid this country of Guyanese.

    In fact Guyanese are being rounded up like cattle and deported by the plane loads, but unemployment is 10.1% and climbing.

    Only the DLP would treat people in an inhumane way that violates their human rights and dignity โ€“ just as a political gimmick and a distraction tactic and as a game to hide the fact that it does not know what it is doing and is therefore creating a mess.


  2. Cud dear poor Hog Squeal, I thought you had swine flu ! ha ha ha ha lol!

    Keep on trying my boy ha ha ha !


  3. Hogsqueal

    Brand name Europeans and others (even though here illegal) are allowed to stay because of their so-called, philanthropic capacity โ€“ the very one which the DLP craves and sees as a substitute for diminished remittances and its economic mismanagement.
    *************************************
    Isnโ€™t this the policy that the BLP promoted all along? The one that said we will not enact any land use legislation because if we prevent North Americans or Europeans from owning property in Barbados they would not invest here since we canโ€™t ask people to invest and then say โ€œNo you canโ€™t buy property hereโ€. The policy that was centred around the proposition that these folks not only employed domestic labour but they also provided a haven for the middle class by setting up companies to employ โ€œ Accountantsโ€ etc.

    You can fool some of the people some of the time.


  4. Mr Mascoll, what plans you would put in place to keep this economy going at the level to employ both Barbadians and the immigrants?

    My view is that because of poor planning in the past and inability to come up with workable plans now, it has become necessary to jettison the illegal immigrants. It is they who are more likely to be competing with Barbadian for jobs, housing etc.

    The government is simply being pragmatic


  5. And, imagine โ€“ DavidThompson is Prime Minister!
    ________________

    The only person who can’t imagine this is Clyde Mascoll and Henderson Bovell (Hog Squeal). It hursts doesn’t it!

    If Barbados wasn’t being noticed before, it is now! We actually have a policy – rather than a free-for-all on an important area of national life.

    We have had 14 years of free-for-alls in land purchases, housing, immigration, PSV’s behaviour, health.

    We not have leadership.

    And he is a good leader, to boot!


  6. Camper wrote:

    “If Barbados wasnโ€™t being noticed before, it is now.”

    ++++++++++++++++

    Something does make sense here! Did Standard and Poor downgrade Barbados?

    Here are BLP positives:

    Did a number of countries in the Caribbean not establish a Ministry of Social Transformation, after Arthur did.

    Under BLP leadership – did the UN Secretary General not say that Barbados is a country that punches many times above its own weight?

    Under progressive BLP leadership – did the Pope not ask our High Commissioner to London to convey his pleasure that this country had established a poverty eradication programme?

    +++++++++++++++

    Camper (brigand) Barbados under DLP rule – is again the laughing stock of the region.

    While David Thompson begs philantropists for money to build a hospital, the Jamaican Prime Minister says how extremely embarrass he is at Thompson’ begging bowl symbol for the region.

    ++++++++++++++++++

    I agree! The world finds it amusing that Prime Minister Thompson became a cheer leader at Obama’s nomination, but Regional Heads now select the Guyana President to lead talks in July with the same Obama.

    The world laughed when David Thompson when he and his political advisor – invited overseas Barbadians to a venue to be canvassed for the Party which recently lost.

    It will know Barbados again when david Thompson takes Barbados – again to the IMF.

    +++++++++++++++++

    Camper says:

    “If Barbados wasnโ€™t being noticed before, it is now.”

    If Barbados is so well known, then why has our tourism fallen off a cliff.

    You see what I tell you about the DLP – it lacks the capacity to think and can only survive when people send their brains on holiday.


  7. @ Sargeant,

    Hello old boy, could you please tell us why foreign direct investments (FDI) have dried up?

    Further, please explain where has investor confidence gone?

    Then please say why are tourists travelling but not to Barbados and why are people investing but just not in Barbados?

    Despite a money back gimmick if the sun does not shine and US$300 back, Barbados tourism has fallen off a cliff.

    Whether Swine Flu of Thompson and the DLP?

    Which do you prefer: Sargeant, Scout, Jay, LIB, David et al.

    Sargeant, here is something to ponder!

    The DLP won the last election by a mere 8, 975 votes – thanks to Clico’s millions.

    However, so far, over 6,000 people have lost thier jobs, while the over 3,000 who were supposed to be appointed under the Public Service Act, the BLP passed – have not.

    Think, but do not hurt yourself.


  8. Hog Squeal

    I still await your answer to the question I posed which was based on your comment โ€œBrand name Europeans and othersโ€. You and I know that it was/is the policy as laid down by no other than OSA and his band of merrymen.

    Re the vote differential separating the DLP & BLP; Isnโ€™t this the same at every election? What was the vote separation after the previous election won by the BLP?

    I suppose Scout, Jay, LIB and David can attest to who they are.

    You can still try to fool some people some of the time.

  9. mash up & buy back Avatar
    mash up & buy back

    Jay

    I did not think it was very funny you telling the guyanese on starbroek news blog to go to st kitts because they don’t deport illegals.

    You know only too well how much that will open up a pandora’s box for the st kitts government.

    You know how desperate these guyanese are.

    Not funny at all.


  10. It WASN’T meant to be funny at all.It IS real.

    The St. Kitts Government recently mentioned that they do NOT do deportations to caricom non-nationals & are thinking of a way to regularize a person’s status.

  11. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    @Sargeant

    “I suppose Scout, Jay, LIB and David can attest to who they are.”

    If by attest you mean confrim, then no problem. I am no ‘masked man’ and use a handle here that relates to my blog, where you can find as much info. as you need about me. I also write to the press and appear occasionally on the radio under my proper name. I am not facelesss or anonymous. But, I am not aligned to any political party or its supporters.

    I try to think through issues here, even amidst the noise of some pretty sordid and invidious political bickerers, who don’t seem to be able to hold onto substance for long before resorting to invective. But, I take it that is how local politics are.


  12. @ Mash Up & Buy back

    This is the article where I got the information from,but I guess some of the information.

    http://www.caribdaily.com/article/172700/no-deportation-in-st-kitts-nevis-illegals-have-chance-to-regularise-status/


  13. The countries that are most effected by the mass influx of migrants whether legal or illegal are T&T, Antigua and Barbados. Barbados is being criticised for declaring a BARBADOS immigration policy to protect its sovereignty and security, yet the other two countries that are doing the same thing subtlely are running free. Even during the early part of the last administration, immigration officers were rounding up illegals especially on weekends and deporting them. It was rumoured that people were being paid Bds $ 35.00 per head for information. At that time there were no way near the amount we have now, so how can we now accept all these extra people to this little rock now and couldn’t accept them then. The BLP getting on as though they didn’t used to deport illegals then too. In the mean time T&T and Antigua shipping them out.


  14. I THINK IT IS TIME BAJANS TAKE A STAND ON THE NATION NEWSPAPER. All patriotic bajans should make a pledge to boycott the purchase of that newspaper. At proven that paper is really a Guyanese newpaper. When they say “the Nation” they don’t mean Barbados, they really mean Guyana, RIGHT Roxanne?


  15. Scout

    Did you see that filthy article about a raid on guyanese at a south coast apartment.

    Imagine the word of a landlord renting rooms to coloumbian and guyanese whores is taken as gospel by roxanne gibbs the head of the nation.

    Roxanne gibbs and ricky singh, 2 guyanese who have enjoyed the largesse of the barbadian people have now taken to trying to destroy this country through the Nation.

  16. Straight talk Avatar

    Henderson:

    Rumplestilskin may be too much of a gentleman to respond to your infantile blatherings.

    I’m not quite so genteel.

    Please answer these econo-specific questions which Bajans still require answers to, even though the current administration prefer to keep us in the dark.

    What was Hardwood Housing’s profit last year, after your administration OK’d $2 million of our money into setting up this sure fire winner?

    Is Tony Hoyos still the CEO?

    Is Tony Hoyos still on the ” Invest Barbados ” board.

    Is the monthly entertainment allowance exclusively available at Tony Hoyos’ Aqua Restaurant still deductible?

    Has Clyde Mascoll helped the small black man set up his new hardwood housing project in Market Hill as he said he was willing to do?

    Next.

    When are the financials going to be released for WCC 2007?

    Or would it be suicidal for your party of supposed economic gurus to publish the financial catastrophe they entered into immediately prior to an expected world recession?

    Are you ever going to publish the MOU with 3S for the highway improvement so we can all understand how wrong the DLP has been in cancelling it?

    Are you able to give us an explanation as to how a oil installation company, with many failed attempts to build prison facilities in North America,
    just happen to roll over their Oil Terminal contract into rebuilding our own unfortunately fire-damaged prison?

    In case you think the above can be shrugged off, and your party’s fiscal prudence is superior.

    Where are the financials for:-

    Hotels and Resorts.
    NIS
    UDC
    RDC
    NAB ( ho-ho is your baby clean?)

    I could go on, but I think the point is made, and even emphasised by your irrational rants.

    Tear down your own Crystal Palace before stooping so low to pick up a rock.


  17. My opinion is that most dont see the wood for the trees
    Caricom =CariCON
    Tourism is our business lets play our part=Tourists are business lets take’m apart

    Well know African proverb: In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.


  18. Allow me to ask, what I see as a few relevant questions:
    What use is Caricom?
    What advantages are there for Barbados being a Caricom member?
    Why when the children were given “free” busfares was the duty on the affordable drinks powders that a lot of working class families use ,increased from 5% to 40% at about the same time?.
    Why is it that Caricom goods are generally inferior to Non Caricom goods?
    Why is it they are also very much more exspensive. That is if you take way the PUNITATIVE duties that are applied to make them SEEM “competative”
    In other words the Caricom producer takes huge profits and the population of Barbados suffers .
    What do we produce?
    Lets not delude ourselves with National pride.
    The answer is PRACTICALLY NOTHING. {yes Good rum but are you really advocating we try to sell more Rum to a relativly static population}
    What we do make is vastly overpriced.!
    Its called protecting local industry
    {by punitative import duties}
    When in effect all it does is enrich the few at the exspense of the masses.
    Why do 260,000 inhabitants have to endure inferior products .
    Lets take jam as an example?
    duty and penalties over 225%.
    How many people work in the “jam industry here”?
    What I am talking about are the root causes of our problems?
    The inability to put our own house in order.
    Plus the fact the World has “rearranged ” itself.
    “Sand Sea and Sunshine” Thank God are all things,that Goverments cannot play around with ,
    BUT unforetunately the people who use them and leave foreign exchange here are now severly incapacitated by the “world reorder”
    Whilst we are informed there are to be “NEW TOURIST INITIATIVES”
    Maybe by making personal loans to would be visitors.
    Maybe by making speaches to the world organistions, about the need for “a totally new world economy”
    What impudence!
    Look here first, try to “see the wood for the trees”


  19. Why are we as a Sovereign Nation worried about transient workers.?
    Dont tell me about them doing jobs we dont want to!
    What is here WE put here.
    We have laboured, we have eaten dirt.
    Now we do not have to, because WE BUILT IT.
    We now enjoy the fruits of our labours.
    If you come from a country that has no standards, wages of 7 US$ a day or less.
    Treated with absolutely ZERO respect from your Goverment, what the HELL have you to comment about regarding treatment when you come to Barbados and can earn a minimum of SEVEN times what you earn at home!..?
    When Commodity prices escalated,WHO put the price of rice to 1250US$ a ton to the poor masses of BARBADOS,when they the GUYANESE were only paying thier farmers 300US$ a ton for the same rice.YOU DID!
    Yes GUYANA and GUYANESE really showed their love for BARBADIANS.
    They did what they always do , Rob us to their own advantage.
    Yet we have charitably allowed them to improve themselves at our exspense.
    If you allow a person to stay at your home does that mean that they can then have in it ,the same rights as you who ,suffered, worked and endured hardship to bring it to what it now is?
    Over My Dead Body!
    Dont talk to me about Charity!
    CHARITY Begins at HOME.
    Lets put the shoe on the other foot?
    What would a Poor Bajun get from from a Guyanese if he/she were in Guyana.
    YEP you got that right brother!
    A swift kick in the Butt!

  20. mash up & buy back Avatar
    mash up & buy back

    The Guyanese Conspiracy.

    If there was any doubt that there is a conspiracy going on with the guyanese professionals who have settled and living in Barbados – well today’s Starbroek newspaper lays it all out for everyone to see.

    It is clear as day that unlike professor Eudine Barriteau who came from grenanda to Barbados as a young child and benefited from free secondary education from primary to tertiary levels as well as all the other benefits – the guyanese people are extremly ungrateful people who are only interested in taking and taking from this society,but when the time comes for them to stand up for us the bajans – they turn on us and join with their llegal countrymen and women in barbados and their corrupt administration – to destroy Brbados’ image in the world.

    Prof Barriteau in a radio interview on VOB, stood up for bajans and their kindness and generosity to her when she came here as a poor young girl,the daughter of a hawker,and she condemned the way these non nationals who are enjoying a better life in barbados are now condemning barbados because they are being deported for being illegal in the country.

    BU family we are in UNCHARTERED waters and we are in DANGEROUS times.

    Bajans every where needs right now to speak with their pocket book and IMMEDIATELY STOP BUYING THE NATION NEWSPAPER,and instead read it on line or not at all.

    Friends,have a look in today’s Starbroek newspaper and see what is going on.

    The game being played out is this .The Starbroek prints every day a negative story on immigration in Barbados,and the next day the Nation newspaper headed by the guyanese roxanne gibbs carries the starbroek story in the barbadian paper.

    Go on the archives for the Starbroek newspaper and see for the past 8 or more weeks a negative story is carried every day about Barbados.

    It is more difficult to fully research the nation because their on line paper is sparse,however what I have noticed is that they will print the negative immigration story on line,but the pro- barbados response is hardly ever published on line.

    Now what we have are the so-called guyanese ‘heavy guns’ who have all scampered from guyana and run to Barbados and are living large,now giving interviews to the Starbroek newspapers condemning barbados.

    In today’s starbroek it is shridath ramphal, and compton bourne (CDB), and a reference to Prof clive thomas,and of course bharat jagdeo.

    Guess who shridath ramphal quotes as an authoratative source? – none other that the subervisive annalee davis – and he quotes her as a researcher.

    Now as far as I know she ahs always described herself as an ‘artist’.

    See who they use for back up?

    They are using the words of BAJANS to hit out against barbados,so we see quotes from mia mottley,or owen arthur,or annalee davis that white girl who cares more about indian guyanese workers than her homeland,or david commissong – the Opportunist, who was born in st vincent.

    Roxanne gibbs and her protaganists may see their desired aim of confusion and bitterness against barbados in the short term,but the long term effect for guyanese will be far more lasting.

    No matter what gonsalves,stephenson king and the other caricom leaders say;they are watching carefully what happens when you allow a build up of guyanese in your country (like owen did),and will be seeking to prevent the barbadian scenario from happening to them.

    However the deepest effect will be the future guyanese – barbados relationship amongst the ordinary people.

    For never again will bajans feel they can trust guyanese and will want to reach out and offer them a helping hand – because they know a quick kick in the backside at the end of it all will be coming from the guyanese.

    Scout,JC,NegromanAdrian and others did warn barbados about this day a long time ago.

    The chickens are finally coming home to roost.

  21. livinginbarbados Avatar
    livinginbarbados

    As I read Clyde Mascoll’s article, I also read and was struck profoundly by the Lowdown column. In particular, two passages really stood out:

    “Barbados has evolved over the years into a stable, peaceful society – majority Blacks who control the Government, professions, workforce; a few thousand Whites who get blamed for most things, run businesses, support political parties; sundry Indian and other traders who keep to themselves and make a lot of money.

    We like it so. We especially don’t want to import ethnic conflict as seen in Trinidad, Guyana and elsewhere.”

    There is an interesting notion here that Barbados is at ethnic piece, so long as the established areas of ethnic influence and places are not disturbed.

    The second passage:
    “The black Barbadian nation has been conquered by stopping the transfer of values, including thrift and hard work, from the older generation to the present.

    And the seeds of discontent fell on fertile ground. The black Barbadian agricultural or construction worker never saw where he would eventually become a manager or owner, despite knowing those trades backwards.

    So he has opted out of certain jobs, preferring in many cases crime or trading in drugs. But I for one am convinced that with a concerted effort by all, the Barbadian work ethic will return to its former unrivalled majesty.

    For a start, black Barbadians must be shown how to use their legacy of agricultural expertise to take over the vast acreages of abandoned estates, to farm with modern methods and grow rich. Otherwise the land developers will rake in millions selling it to foreigners and it will be lost forever to indigenous Barbadians.

    The present Guyanese immigrant workers reputedly work hard for lower wages. But don’t be surprised if future waves set up their own farms, construction firms, mechanic shops and lumber outlets, employing their own people and undercutting their previous employers.

    And let those Bajans who are turning their backs on locals in favour of immigrant workers beware! There are very few jobs which can’t be done by outsiders at a lower cost.”

    This says that black Barbadians were denied higher places on the economic ladder by those who controlled access to those places (and they were local whites and Indians by the same analysis), but must now beware that their place is now under threat from outsiders. This is a very interesting plea whose logic is that black Bajans should not pick a fight with those other nationals that have put them down, but should focus their wrath on new entrants that may keep them down.

    I am not a Bajan, so I cannot respond to that as a national, but as a black person it resonates as an set of excuses. I think this is really a bogus argument that fosters a status quo, with no evident intent to see the reins of economic power shift.

    Food for thought.


  22. they turn on us and join with their llegal countrymen and women in barbados and their corrupt administration โ€“ to destroy Brbadosโ€™ image in the world.
    ………………………………………

    Mash up you spoke a mouthful a great deal thought provking. Thompson’s amnesty has my 100% support but we must stay careful and wise.

    Barbados seized the high moral ground on this difficult illegal immigration matter. We cannot lose the high ground through unecessary careless actions by a few immigration personnel.

    The Chief Immigration Officer or Minister needs to issue a clear the air statement on the “raids” and how they are carried out.

    Governments and people in Caribbean islands disliking Bajans is nothing new. Gonzalves a so called prime minister often accused of rape is the perfect example.

    Barbados is a respected member of international community but our enemies in the Caribbean are on the increase. They will stop at nothing to mash up Barbados.

    We have to stick to our values and principles which earned us top HDI rating .Transparency is most important. Barbados must never relinquish the high moral ground.


  23. It is unfortunate when so-called regional gurus like Compton Bourne and Shridath Ramphal, could stoop so low as to utter the gargage that I’m reading. it just shows that CARICOM/ CSME or any thing similar will NEVER work in this region because of the insularity even coming from the top brass. Did Mr Bourne or Sir Shridath investigate these accusations first before rushing to utter such one-sided comments? Obviously NOT but you know why because they are both guyanese. Did either of them go to the airport and see the ZR LIAT plane with the sign “Guyanese Deportees” on it. There would have to be one there since the immigration officers are picking up these illegals by the bus load and deporting them. I would ask Mr Bourne while he is in Guyana to talk to President Jagdeo and ask him to treat his people with dignity, this would stop them from fleeing from a country with so much potential. All that these so-called gurus are doing is making it bad for the many guyanese who are enloying sweet life in Barbados. Now with the negativity dumped on Bajans, we are painting ALL guyanese with the same brush. Don’t blame us since those at the top like Ramphal and Bourne can’t see pass their insularity.


  24. All the countries in the region were trying for years to see Barbados fall. They have tried everything, in the early 90’s they even refused accepting Bds currency because as they said it was going to be devalued. Many of my so-called friends in the region was disappointed when it didn’t happen. One of these samre fellows was in Barbados recently and I walked out of a lime yesterdaywhen he remarked that “we got ya this time, ya can’t get out of this one.” He was suppose to leave this morning, I hope ne never returns because in the future I will only deal with him on business matters. I used to stay at his house, his childern were like my children but, as I told him, if this is what you wish, not for me byt for my offspring, well I can no longer call you my friend.


  25. I completely agree with Clyde Mascollโ€™s article, we got domestic problems to deal with, so it makes no since importing other problems.


  26. Isn’t Dr. Bourne a St. Lucian?

  27. mash up & buy back Avatar
    mash up & buy back

    Compton bourne is a Guyanese,born and bred.

    Don’t mix up the comptons of st lucia e.g. john compton etc.

    A lot of st lucians went to guyana to work around the same time as the bajans during the colinial period in the late 19th and early 20th century period.

    I don’t see however the guyanese demanding that st lucians let them in because they got st lucian grandparents.

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    Anon @9:49 a.m.

    If as you say you support the amnesty then I can’t see why you are suggesting a ‘clear the air’ statement from the immigration chief.

    Are you aware that this is exactly what Jagdeo,ricky singh and roxanne gibbs want?

    These excessive amount of negative stories in the Starbroek newspaper and the Nation news, and then follow up comments by jagdeo,shridath ramphal compton bourne clive thomas etc have a purpose to it.

    It is to put prime minister thompson and miss mcclean so much on the defensive that they will do exactly as owen did ,and start backing down,and start second guessing the immigration officers like how owen did when he brought in guyanese immigration officers to check behind the bajan immigration officers.

    Don’t fall for the trap my dear,the bajan immigration officers need to act just like their counterparts in jamaica,caymans,bahams,trinidad or even the U.S.

    Immigration raids are not picnics,and invitations do not go out in advance.

    In order for these guyanese who already said they were not leaving and were going to go underground – to know that the immigration and the P.M. are serious – is for the raids to be done in a stern and forceful manner.

    If we appear too soft guyanese will bring all these hard luck stories and milk it to the hilt.

    No immigration officer want to deal up in shit so that story about faeces and urine in yesterday’s Nation – is just that – a story.

    However immigration off icers know that guyanese will do anything to hide from them like for e.g. an account given on brasstacks last weeek by a construction manager who said he has seen cases where guyanese even jumped into dry pit to hide.

    Go figure.


  29. @Scout
    You are 100% correct.
    Nothing would please our mendicant Caricom ‘brothers and sisters’ more than to see Barbados on its knees begging..
    This has been the case since the days of EWB.

    The Bushman has LIVED this experience now for decades…. it is no secret. They do not hide it….
    Only foolish Bajans have any doubt about this reality.

    The sooner that we realize that our destiny lies in our own hands, and in the support of genuine friends (like Canada, for example) the sooner we will stop wasting time with things like CSME, CCJ and Caricom.

    The Bushman is not even vexed with those who hate out guts….
    We are an arrogant set of people!
    We are successful beyond what we deserve!
    …and we do not appreciate the multiple blessings that God have bestowed on us…

    Additionally, in the last twenty years, we have been making great strides in lowering our standards to match these neighbors and we are therefore well on track to satisfy their desires and hopes for us.


  30. Hello Folks,
    The immigration debate is surely heating up.

    You should note the following. Professor Clive Thomas of Guyana lied or simply ignored the facts when he stated that several CARICOM countries had ratified the “Migrant Workers’ Convention”, the United Nations (UN) Convention that addresses the rights of migrant workers and members of their families. As of today, only 41 of the UN’s 192 member states have ratified the Convention. No major developed country has ratified it. Of the 41 countries that have ratified it, two are CARICOM member countries; Belize, which ratified the Convention on 14th November 2001, and Jamaica, which ratified it on 25th September 2005. Guyana signed the Convention on 15th September 2005, but is yet to ratify it. When a country ratifies the Convention, it becomes the applicable law in that country provided that at least twenty UN members have ratified it.

    Note also that the East Indian Sir Shridath Ramphal, who is living comfortably in Barbados and not in the country of his birth, Guyana, has introduced into the debate the phrase ‘intimations of ethnic cleansing’.

    Lastly, the issue of whether Guyanese Professor Compton Bourne, President of the Caribbean Development Bank, was speaking in his capacity of the Bank or an individual should be assessed. Then again, it is difficult to distinguish between the two. Thus, the comments made by him, because of his privileged position, indicates that he has crossed the thin line that separates his professional obligations from meddling in the domestic affairs of Barbados.


  31. No, Lindsay, you are wrong. A ratification alone does not make a Convention applicable law in a country…legislation is still required. And should I apply your words re Shridath Ramphal to David Thompson who was born in England? And how is it meddling in domestic affairs to say that the organs of a state shopuld act in accordance with law? C’mon, lholder, your slip is showing…and it is soiled!

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    Lindsay holder

    Thank you my dear fellow.

    Please ignore the yardfowls on this site like themis and hog squeal.

    I suppose the leader of the opposition office is closed on week ends so you notice that henderson bovell and slyvan greenidge alias ‘hog squeal’ and ‘royal rumble’ are not posting.

    That is their full time job as office assitants to the leader of the Opposition Mia Mottley.

    I concur on your remarks on shridat ramphal,but note you are not alone,the guyanese bloggers who comment on the starbroek newspaer articles on line are also saying the same thing – that is – why is shridath ramphal criticising barbados when he is living the sweet life there and will not go back home to guyana?

    David/BU have you heard if it is true that the prime minister is addressing the immigration issue at 4:15 p.m.?


  33. Is that really the best you can do, mash up…?


  34. @mash up

    Yes…4.00PM!

    @y.paris

    Please don’t relegate this debate to deporting people, it is much bigger.


  35. He maintained that โ€˜The knock on the door at nightโ€™ is not within our regional culture; still less are intimations of โ€˜ethnic cleansingโ€™
    **************************************
    The words of Sir Shridath Ramphal: Ramphal was/is a diplomat who is presumable well schooled in the words of diplomacy. Diplomats are supposed to chose their words carefully and the words that he has chosen will cause a conflagration in the region and the wider world. He didnโ€™t say Guyanese he used the word โ€œethnic cleansingโ€ for maximum effect when he used โ€œethnicโ€ there is no doubt to whom he is referring. I havenโ€™t heard the word in relation to the US and the Mexican illegals nor have I heard it in the context of the European countries in their difficulties with illegal immigrants.

    In effect he is painting the Barbadian Govโ€™t and its leader in the same brush as Idi Amin and those who think otherwise have their heads buried in the sand. If Thompson does not address this he has lost any respect I still have for him.

    Ramphal was curiously silent on the UN report on race relations in Guyana which the Guyanese Govโ€™t dismissed as biased but he used the word โ€œethnic cleansingโ€ in relation to Barbadosโ€™ attempts to stem the flow of illegal immigrants.

    Remember he was/is a diplomat


  36. Themis,
    You are an idiotic fool, and I do not waste my time with fools. You are fortunate since I will waste the time to put you right.

    I made the distinction between signing the Convention and ratifying it. Signing indicates the intent to ratify. Ratification means acceptance or enactment of the Convention into the domestic laws of a given country in accordance with the established procedures, and that is the same thing as passing legislation.

    David Thompson is a Barbadian, pure and simple.

    With regard to Professor Bourne, are you aware of any instances where the President of the Inter-American Development Bank (IADB), a multilateral financial institution located in Washington, D.C., U.S.A., or the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund (IMF), also a multilateral financial institution located in the same city, have commented on the immigration policy of the U.S.A. or on similar matters?


  37. Please listen to the short address delivered by the Prime Minister Thompson.

    Thanks to the BU family member who emailed!


  38. We ask the BU family to stay focused and to ignore the attempts to railroad the debate. There is a massive conspiracy at play. Stay smart!

    VOB carried it delayed at 4.15PM.

  39. mash up & buy back Avatar
    mash up & buy back

    Thank you David for that live feed.

    David,is it just me or did you also get the sense that prime minister thompson is also on to the Conspiracy that is going on?

    David,every day I am so grateful for Barbados Underground.

    Just imagine if you were not here what would happen to us the citizens.

    Vob would be censoring the discussion,CBC would have the discussion skewed when peter wickham is on,Barbados Free Press will not be allowing any such discussion and the Nation newspaper would not be printing the pro-immigration policy coulmns or letters to the editor and only the inflamatory pro-guyanese stuff.

    I believe the P.M. is reading this blog and I am so glad.


  40. Hello Folks,
    Correction! Jamaica ratified the United Nations Migrant Workers Convention on 25th September 2008, and not on the 25th September 2005.


  41. If we go by the numbers given by the PM and why shouldn’t we, the phrase being tossed around that plane loads of Guyanese in particular is baseless.

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    David & BU Family

    The prime minister is not lying.

    Last week in starbroek news Home Affairs minister Rohee stated that there has been no large return of their nationals and it is only a trickle so far.

    I think Roger Luncheon their Cabinet Secretary also confirmed this,yet the guyanese bloggers on starbroek news preferred to believe roxanne gibbs lies at the Nation and those propogandists at Starbroek news.


  43. lholder,

    When you become aware of what “ratification” really means, and it is not what you think it means, then you will see who is the idiotic fool. It is you who introduced the concept of birth and you still have not shown how commenting on allegations of human rights abuses constitutes interference into a country’s affairs. You are not too bright, are you?

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    Lindsay holder & Sargeant

    I too was taken aback by the so called diplomat shridhat ramphal talking baout ‘ethnic cleansing’ going on in Barbados.

    So I asked myself where have I heard that before?

    Then I remembered – it was norman faria who said barbados immigration was profiling guyanese on how they look – meaning the obvious difference – their indian -ness.

    Hence racial profiling.

    Ricky singh too made that claim some time back.

    Noe shridath ramphal.

    Sadly,this is how indians behave.

    It is always their race first before country,before regional integration,before diplomatic niceties,before gratitude.

    We are learning real fast.

    He took the side of hearsay rather than caution or balance.


  45. Bust Tea

    I hear that our good friends the Canadians pulling out their development funding from Barbados.

  46. mash up & buy back Avatar
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    Meaning what ROK?


  47. Themis,
    The more you respond to the objective comments of others, the more you indicate that you are an idiotic fool.

    Below is one explanation of the meaning of ratification with regard to the United Nations (UN) Migrant Workers’ Convention. The explanation is taken from the Information Kit on the UN Convention on Migrant Rights published by the Sector for Social and Human Sciences of the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization (UNESCO).

    “The ratification of the Convention by a state means that the legislative or law-making branch of its government has adopted the Convention and promised to incorporate it into its national laws.โ€

    Following is some background on the Convention as well as a second explanation of ratification taken from โ€˜Fact Sheet No. 24, The Rights of Migrant Workersโ€™, published by the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights.

    โ€œThe Convention was adopted by the General Assembly on 18th December 1990 and opened for signature by all Member States of the United Nations. Individual States could then ratify the Convention. Ratification requires the approval of the competent national authority, generally the parliament. States may also accede to the Convention by combining signature and ratification in one act. The Convention will enter into force following ratification or accession by 20 States. When a State ratifies or accedes to the Convention, it becomes a State party.โ€

    Could you please explain the difference between the two explanations I have just provided and what I said in my first response to you?

    On the issue of birth, clearly the point I made was too subtle for you to comprehend. David Thompson is a Barbadian, pure and simple. But you have a Guyanese East Indian, born in Guyana, and now living comfortably in Barbados, who has the gall to suggest that the Government’s immigration policy has ‘intimations of ethnic cleansing.’ Yet, that same individual has not commented on the findings of the MacDougall Report that Guyana is an ethnically polarised society. Let me quote two paragraphs from the executive summary of the Report for your benefit.

    “Ethnically divided political and administrative structures and failed political processes have created deep frustrations and distrust in the nstitution of government. A climate of
    suspicion, rumour and conspiracy theory exists in Guyana which has been fuelled by exceptionally violent incidents in 2008. Two separate and conflicting narratives and perceptions
    of reality have emerged among Afro- and Indo-Guyanese, which threaten to undermine shared values and common goals that are essential to a united, prosperous Guyana.”

    “Afro-Guyanese with whom the independent expert met described feeling excluded from having a full voice and stake in the national polity and equal enjoyment of rights in many fields of life including employment and economic participation. They reported stigmatization of young Afro-Guyanese males and entire African communities. Derogatory stereotypes of criminality
    colour wider societal perceptions of Afro-Guyanese individuals and communities.”

    The fact that you seem to find nothing wrong with Sir Shridath Ramphal’s use of the phrase ‘intimations of ethnic cleansing’ clearly indicates to me that you have another agenda, which I do not, or that somehow your reasoning and senses have been compromised.

    Lastly, with regard to Pprofessor Bourne, the role of CDB is to provide financial assistance to member states of CARICOM. Any comments he makes in his capacity of President of CDB should be confined to the role and objectives of the Bank. If you want to better understand the point I am trying to make, consider the fallout from him making comments on Barbados’ immigration policy, where those comments cannot be substantiated.


  48. @IHolder
    Why are you sinning your soul?

    @mu&bb: Just what I said. If u are Canadian I did not know that and the comment was not intended to be about you… but sometimes you don’t know who your true friends are until a time of crisis comes.


  49. ROK,
    You are right, I should not respond to Themis.

    But you know, there are times when some of the personal attacks directed at you by some individuals are so offensive or illogical that you have no choice than to respond.

  50. mash up & buy back Avatar
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    ROK

    All I was seeking was some clarification.

    I just wanted to be clear why you were introducing that point in the discussion at this time.

    That is,whether you thought this action you reported is a result of the worldwide economic situation,or you felt that bush tea was presuming too much by thinking Canada was with us,or whether immigration had any thing to do with it.

    Just for the record,at the begining of the year Canada also stated that it will not be proviving some particular funding to Guyana.

    Signs of the times I presume – each man brekking for himself.

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