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Leader of the Opposition Mia Mottley
Leader of the Opposition Barbados Labour Party Mia Mottley
Mr. Harold Hoyte is a founding member of the Nation Group and is President and Editor-in-Chief of The Nation Publishing Company in Barbados.
Harold Hoyte Editor Emeritus of The Nation Publishing Company
Lindsay Holder, former Chairman of the BAMC
Lindsay Holder is a former Chairman of the Barbados Agricultural Management Company Limited

Over the last couple years BU has articulated, we hope dispassionately, on the issue of the open immigration policy which was practiced by the previous government. At no time have we supported xenophobic behaviour or bigotry in the ensuing discourse. We have simply held a position that while Barbados should be committed to its obligations under the Treaty of Chaguaramus, it does not mean that our borders should be assaulted by all and sundry seeking the proverbial streets lined with gold at the expense of the vision which Barbadians have held-up for itself through the years. BU readers can do a search using the keyword โ€˜immigrationโ€™ to access the many blogs posted on this subject.

The conspiracy which has emerged across the region to spin a false position in response to Prime Minister David Thompsonโ€™s Ministerial Statement after he announced an amnesty for CARICOM nationals, has been blatant and symptomatic of a political and social immaturity.

Any interested observer of regional affairs would conclude that the issue of immigration is a topical one. Since the announcement by Thompson of the amnesty the issue has become accentuated. In the Advocate Newspaper of 14 June 2009 a Mr. Lindsay Holder was as clear as anyone can be in elucidating on the immigration issue which Barbados and the region is currently battling, he did so without the use of jargon, fuzzy logic, ideological or jingoistic biases. We highly commend the Advocate Newspaper for giving voice to this important issue which is being manipulated by politicians, academics, Fourth Estate and prominent and other influential persons in Barbados and across the region.

As the popular saying goes we will probably not agree with the many persons who submit articles to be published on BU, but we will always defend their right to be heard. In recent days BU in this vain would have published two submissions by George Braithwaite, a PhD Candidate in International Politics researching the topic of immigration in the region.

In the Sunday Sun of 14 June 2009 the headline Bad Rep, the Opposition Leader of Barbados Mia Mottley was highly critical of the Barbados governmentโ€™s new immigration policy. She suggested that Barbados isย  likely to suffer a backlash from some Caricom members as a result. The point which continues to elude Mottley is the fact that managing our borders is a matter of sovereignty and MUST not be dictated by those who themselves have done a muck-up job of managing their own countries.

Increasingly in recent weeks one of the characteristics which defines an American has beenย  been flickering in the minds of the BU household. The best definition we could find of what it meansย  to be an American is an unswerving support and devotion to our flag, our elected officials, our men and women in uniform. For others, patriotism means criticizing politicians when they take America in the wrong direction, protesting in the streetsโ€”sometimes even burning the flag. Patriotism also has complex ties to citizenship, race, and nationalism, as well as to the ways in which we remember our wars and the people who fought in them โ€“ University of Chicago.

Barbados for all that it has accomplished, and which has led to it being considered the island of opportunity in the region, has been allowing slowly but surely, a conspiracy by some to take root to undermine the Bajan success. The issue which Barbados faces is not honouring its obligations under the Treaty of Chaguaramus, but one of ensuring that it effectively manages the country in the way that it has successfully done in a post-independence era.ย  Many of the countries in the region who are crying foul of the new immigration policy i.e. Guyana and St. Vincent would do well to use Barbados as a model to their own revival of political and economic fortunes.

The two stakeholders in Barbados we are most disappointed are the Opposition Barbados Labour Party and the Fourth Estate. In the face of a regional conspiracy to undermine the reputation and goodwill of Barbados which was built under the astute management by successive governments, we have a situation now where for political expediency the government in waiting is safeguarding it legacy by confusing the illegal immigration problem faced by Barbados by masking its position in the known challenges of implementing a political and economic union. In another place BU used the analogy that if CARICOM/CSME were a regional company its profitability would hinge on an efficient implementation of aย  vertical integration strategy. CARICOM conversely has not done enough to strengthen and harmonize key institutions and procedures.

The Fourth Estate in Barbados has aided and abetted the vulnerable position which Barbados now finds itself by being unpatriotic in the positions is has taken, the Nation Newspapers and Voice of Barbados the main culprits. The media in Barbados has been generous in giving a voice to an anti-government sentiment concerning the immigration issue. The populist view in Barbados is a commonsense view that the previous governmentโ€™s position of allowing unskilled people whether from Guyana, Jamaica and elsewhere is untenable. Even the other ethnic groups from Europe and China have come under the microscope. Talk show host Dennis Johnson always uses the example that all are welcome to Barbados but it must be done under agreed terms. In other words if you are invited to someone’s home one still needs to knock on the door and remain seated in the sitting room before being invited to the bedroom. After all it is our home and respect and common courtesies are due!

The fact that our Fourth Estate in Barbados gives a generous voice to Rickey Singh, who continues to bite the hand which has fed him for so many years, and not give EQUAL voice to other views which represent ordinary Barbadians is disgusting. Bare in mind that Singh has not used his pen to expose the atrocities currently at play in Guyana.

The fact that the Fourth Estate ignores the hatchet job being done on the good reputation of Barbados by Singh, Saunders et al who are syndicated columnists and remain passive to respond is an indictment on their duty to accurately report the views of ordinary Barbadians who are its supporters.

The fact that the Guyanese media has been freely publishing articles which are unfairly critical of Barbadosโ€™ immigration policy with no response from the Barbados media except to cherry pick those opinions which support narrow political views is hypocrisy of a high level.

The fact that the media in Barbados continues to blackout reporting on the political and racial tensions in Guyana which have spurred an exodus of Guyanese to swarm the smaller Caribbean nations to the North is journalistic dishonesty.

The fact that the media has ignored the commonsense concern of ordinary Barbadians that learned behaviours derived in a Guyanese environment rifted with racial conflict may pose issues to the stable host population of Barbados is ignorant.

The fact that the Fourth Estate and the Opposition Party of Barbados led by Mia Mottley sit passively and allow Jagdeo to cherry pick the issue of immigration to undermine the earned good reputation of Barbados is unpatriotic. The known political and racial conflict in Guyana and the accommodation of unsavoury people like Roger Khan et al which have been left silent represent a betrayal of Barbados and a usurping of their core responsibilities.

The Chairmanship of CARICOM will be passed to Jagdeo in July, he will without a doubt use tit o promote his narrow interest.ย  It maybe the last straw which will break the backย  and or setback the regional initiative of CARICOM and the CSME.


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  1. I am awaiting david ellis or VOB’s response to this article and their handling or rather mishandling of the illegal immigration discussion especially as it relates to any negative discussion of guyanese criminal and social habits.

    We know they are reading this post,yet they still engage in blacking out any discussion on racial discrimination and racial conflict between indians and africans in Guyana or else where.

    Long may BU exist.


  2. Yes,Mr. Holder is definitely what I would consider an “Academic” on this illegal immigration,not because his facts are more in line with my own but because he bases the current information given based on FACTS not hyperbole.

    The mixing of the current CSME with illegal immigration is a distinction that MUST be made in order for this debate to move forward.I also believe we as Bajans need other Caricom members states to speak up about this immigration issue especially,Antigua & St. Kitts on the Caricom level since they are also facing the same issues which Barbados is facing.


  3. @David
    Excellent article except that ‘our fourth estate in Barbados’ is no longer really ours (owned by us).

    This may explain why they seem to be anti-Barbados.

    I have no idea what could explain the BLP’s anti Barbados stance however…..


  4. Has any official of the Government of Barbados ever said how many illegal immigrants are estimated to be in Barbados?


  5. Anonymous
    YES, Sen Maxine McClean had stated that there are about 60,000 to 70,000 illegal persons in Barbados. I think that is the figure she gave.


  6. The BLP continues to not only disappoint me but anger me. It seems Mia Mottley is so keen to become P.M and to change the whole culture of this country, that she will sell patriotic bajans to the highest or any bidder. This woman has gone completely off her rocker. When these illegals arrived at the air/seaport, they declared how much time they plaaned on spending in the country.They knew then that they didn’t plan on returning to their country. This means they made a false declaration to the Barbados Government. My government was generous enough to offer an amnesty to some of them. Am I to believe that a party who wants to lead this country at some stage, is saying that the present government is wrong for asking those illegal persons to leave? This is tantamount to treason and in other countries will be punishable. On the other hand, I think Mia is trying to whip up enough controversy to start some civil unrest in the country and make it almost ungovernable for the DLP. My question to Mia & Co how low will you go to TRY to regain POWER in this country? All I would say to you is, be careful of what you are fighting so hard for?


  7. The said article in the advocate everyone discussing the topic should read. something like that would never make it in the Nation newspaper.

    Which leads me to wonder, what other topics the nation newspaper is show one-sided views on?


  8. The point which is worth exploring is the fact that Jagdeo has essentially called PM Thompson a liar by expressing scepticism at the number of illegals in Barbados. This should not be allowed to pass by Barbados. It is our reputation and credibility.

    It explains also why Faria is reported as making all kinds of unsubstantiated statements in the Guyana media.


  9. BUt wait Thomson ent put nun of these people in them place yet?

    What he waiting pun?

    I hope he sure.


  10. So true Ready Done.

    Roxanne Gibbs who is mia’s “friend’ does her bidding and the bidding of the BLP without any sense of shame.

    In addition roxanne gibbs an ungrateful guyanese who has benefitted soooooooo much from her sojourn here is determined to defend the guyanese and to portray barbados in a negative light.

    Someone said that roxanne gibbs has ordered that no headline on crime should read ‘GUYANESE CHARGED FOR …….

    Instead the headline will say ‘NON NATIONAL CHARGED’ and inside the article you will then find out it is a guyanese.

    Think also about the one sided stories carried in the nation – never the ones in the starbrok news which says the illegal guynese say they are not going back to guyana,instead we hear how they all preparing to return,or how badly they are being treated by immigration officers,or how much guyanese has built up barbados.

    I suppose this is suppose to take the immigration officers off-guard since there will be no need for raids because the guyanese going home right?

    Why I have asked did Mia’ statement make front page news?

    Was anything in that statement new,or breaking news?

    No,but it was intentionally done to get maximun coverage here and abroad.

    That is how these guyanese operate.

    Have you heard any of those guyanese who has been in Barbados for a long time and benefitted from being in barbados coming out like prof. Eudene Barriteau and defending the goodness and geneorisity of barbados?

    Not for hell.

    They take and take from you and then curse you.


  11. Issues such as immigration MPs should not be allowed to hide behind collective responsibility on either side. What is the position of each MP in parliament?

    The same is true about our journalists. Should we assume that all the journalists at the Nation and VOB think as one on the issue of immigration?

    We have placed Hoyte’s picture on this blog because we are hoping that he still has influence and his position is not ceremonial.


  12. Mia Mottley’s unpatriotic behaviour must be condemned in the strongest terms by every patriotic Barbadian. Her reckless and irresponsible bashing of the Barbados Government (just because it is the DLP) for ridding our country of visitors who have broken the law by overstaying and working, tarnishes the BLP which has always been ready to sell out Barbados for 30 pieces of silver . Stand firm, Bajans!


  13. Everybody knows this ‘immigration issue’ is essentially a fork headed matter. 1. It’s a Government to Government feud. 2. It’s a racial thing.

    Well – this is the world we live in. What goes around, comes around. Stay tuned.


  14. I would like the BLP, Owen and Mia especially, to come clean and let the nation of Barbados know exactly what pack they had made with Guyana, St. Vincent, Starcom Network and others about their right of entry into Barbados. I have read the Revised Treaty of Chagaramus and nowhere in that treaty does it state that Barbados must adopt an open door policy to anyone from Caricom/CSME to repatriate to this country unconditionally.


  15. David

    Read today’s adocate for the conclusion of lindsay holder’s piece on immigration.

  16. Wishing In Vain Avatar
    Wishing In Vain

    With approx 50,000 undocumented workers plying their trade in Barbados putting heavy demands on ALL of our resources Hospital, Courts, Polyclincs, Policing, Roads and Water resources and the list goes on, why in heavens name should we as a people throw open our doors to be overrun with illegals?

    This may have been good for Owing as this was the method he used to secure cheap labour for work done at his home but does not work for the masses of Barbadians.

    Barbados MUST control who comes and who stays on this island, simple and plain, no longer can we have Guyanese using and making Barbados their destination of choice and doing so without the proper legal procedure being followed as opposed to using persons such as fraudulent Attorneys such as one LeGay who it appears that every Guyanese or should I say every illegal turns to for resolve to their immigration problem, when persons such as LeGay are not used, they turned as was the case with a Mr Boolani he turned to and PAID Kerrie Simmons a tidy sum of money to secure a status for him, sadly for the person Mr Simmons never had the time or the will power to make good of his promise to render a service for the money paid as he was kicked out of office very shortly thereafter.

    The point of note here is that the BLP would do nothing to oppose the process of the movement of Guyanese to our shores because person such as Kerrie Simmons were very closely entwined in these illegal actions.

    One day we will all better understand the relationships of persons like LeGay, Simmons and others to the Guyanese and person in high office in Immigration.


  17. I thank God everyday for opening the eyes of bajans to the injustice the BLP was gradually putting them under. Had that party not lost the government, one day many of us would wake up and see illegals squatting on our properties and there would be nothing we could do about it, other than take matters in our own hands. I pinch myself daily to find out if I’m dreaming about the behaviour of “so-called” responsible people. It is time we bajans put Mia & Co in her place and let her know she does not own this country and if she looking for popularity in the region, then she shouyld migrate either to Guyana or St. Vincent ILLEGALLY.
    I warned bajans many months ago that when these indo-guyanese especially increase in significant numbers, they are going to cause havoc in this country. Many people laughed me to scorn; the chickens have come home to roost, this is just the preface, we haven’t even started chapter one yet.


  18. David

    The point which is worth exploring is the fact that Jagdeo has essentially called PM Thompson a liar by expressing scepticism at the number of illegals in Barbados. This should not be allowed to pass by Barbados. It is our reputation and credibility.

    It explains also why Faria is reported as making all kinds of unsubstantiated statements in the Guyana media
    *************************************

    David you guys will learn how basically common Jagdeo and others in the PPP are. They grew up and were nutured in environments where respect for black people was non existent. Making reference that implied that a Caribbean collegue is a liar is par for the course with these people, who are incapable of according the respect of Office to those they consider ethnically inferior to them. For Jagdeo and Faria, the PM of Barbados is a Dalit regardless of his complexion, and they are Brahmins. That is how these particular people,
    meaning some of those in leadership positions in the PPP, reason.

    Whenever you see a poster identify themselves as AK47, know that is a PPP supporter sending a subliminal message to blacks. The ex Minister of Home Affairs of Guyana, Ronald Gajraj, and drug Baron Roger Khan, coordinated the larceny of AK47s from the army, which they turned around and blamed on black soldiers. They then assigned Indians to intelligence sections in the Police and Army to torture blacks they accused of stealing these weapons. George Bacchus, the whistle blower on the Phantoms activities, stated in his affidavit that he saw AK47 rifles in the office of Gajraj when he visited there. These same weapons were used to assassinate black activist Ronald Waddell and many of the young black men gunned down by Phantoms.

    Many Indian supporters of the PPP assume that internet handle as a means of displaying the arrogance they have from being part of ethnic domination in Guyana.

    The time is rapidly approaching when the covers over the gross war crimes and human rights abuses of the PPP will be exposed on the International scene. Mark Benschop, has already taken the names of many of the 300 or so murdered black men to Washington and handed them over to diplomats and political leaders.


  19. I think the best thing that could happen, is the desolving of the CARICOM/ CSME. There is no trust among the leaders and is is a recipe for disaster. When a whole lots of leaders could be so afraid of confronting leaders like Jagdeo and Gonsalves, eventually, when these persons are exposed, the whole Caribbean will be painted with the same brush. These two guys could not have gotten away with their nonsense in the days of Errol Barrow or even Tom Adams. I’m glad that P.M. David Thompson is bold enough to call a spade a spade.


  20. Barbadians stand firm behind PM Thompson and this new immigration policy and deport all illegal aliens from barbados. Send the lazy guyanese back to backward, undeveloped guyana immediately. Remind them that bajans built barbados without their help. In barbados, bajans come first in the country which they built and have a duty to preserve BARBADOS for future generations of bajans.


  21. I agreed with Scout,Mia Mottley is hellbent on allowing social unrest in Barbados to occur so as to give herself a chance to become the Prime Minister of Barbados.Her reckless statements are nauseating to say the least.

    After reading her comments in the Sunday Sun newspaper I can only say that lady is a political lunatic & jackass.
    Mia Mottley how can our new immigration policy have a negative impact on our tourism? Please explain.
    Mia Mottley how is Barbados gaining a negative image internationally by our new immigration policy?Please explain.

    Bharat Jagdeo talked about protecting and speaking up for the rights of Guyanese in Barbados & elsewhere.Bharat Jagdeo how about speaking up for the rights of Black Guyanese in Guyana who are sysetmatically murdered,are denied opportunities for employment and are are at the receiving end of a vicious racist attack from the Indo-Guyanese who are in control of that country.How about speaking up for the rights of those murdered Black Guyanese men & boys including Ronald Waddell who were killed by the phantom gang financed & supported by Roger Khan with support from the PPP government.

    Bharat Jagdeo we are sick & tired of you,Norman Faria & Ricky Singh.The 3 of you should highlight the human right abuses of Black Guyanese in Guyana and stop worrying about the immigration policy of Barbados.

    Prime Minister David Thompson I would be very disappointed in you as a leader if you agree to have a meeting with Norman Faria to discuss the new immigration policy and any concerns he might have.Norman Faria wants to stir up strife in Barbados & the region.He is posting a whole set of lies and misinformation about Barbados in his contributions to the Chronicle Newspaper,Starbroek News & other Guyanese newspapers.I believe an investigation should be carry out on the allegations of Norman Faria that Guyanese are being taken off buses,work sites and are ill-treated.If those allegation are untrue charges should be brought against Norman Faria and if it is possible his citizenship should be revoke and he should be sent packing out of Barbados.Decisive action must be taken against musty Norman Faria.Enough is enough.


  22. You should hear peter wickham on 100.7 F.M. this morning getting on pissy.

    Of course he is joined by drunken george brathwaite whose agenda on immigration should be exposed because he is married to one of the said wufless guyanese.

    Bunch of misfits,the lot of them.


  23. I’m really disappointed that my tax payer’s dollars are funding a salary for Peter Wickham to browbeat callers, stupse at them and be rude and dismissive towards then when he doesn’t agree with their views. This has nothing to do with WHAT views Peter espouses… it’s simply HOW he does it. So apparently that’s that’s standard practic at CBC. Just check how The Admiral treats callers and guests on his Crop Over show … and the taxpayer foots the bill. Public service broadcasting at its very worst from people who think they are indispensible and beyond reproach. I suupose I don’t really expect better from Admiral, but Peter should know how to behave. Again, it’s not about their views… it’s about how they behave. Disgusting really!


  24. You never know anon, probably PW has a guyanese MAN! LOL

    All George does is watch his wife on the computer he doesn’t know where she is! Not even SHE wants him! George my advice to you is that Home bells should ring first! You see your wife doesn’t want you ……You better check for a bajan woman!


  25. Anonymous // June 15, 2009 at 10:27 am

    You should hear peter wickham on 100.7 F.M. this morning getting on pissy.

    Of course he is joined by drunken george brathwaite whose agenda on immigration should be exposed because he is married to one of the said wufless guyanese.

    Bunch of misfits,the lot of them.

    ===========================

    Do people still listen to Peter? I have not heard anything of him since his little visit to and trashing he received on BU. Maybe people are not so interested in the Talkprogrammes anymore.

    I just got through listening to a clearly exasperated George C Brathwaite complicated responses to simple questions, on a Jamiacan Radio program. I got the sense that the Jamiacan interviewers posing the questions were bemused by his meandering and bewildering responses. It was annoying to say the lease. The audio file can be found at http://www.normangirvan.info


  26. now that comment was out of place ! i love this site, until it degenerates into that type of thing…

    well this issue hits home to me, I am engaged to a non national, very sweet lady and i intend to marry her by hook or crook ! however i cant get a marriage licence because she over stayed, thru ignorance of the law on both of our parts. are u telling me i shud feel good if one day she is grabbed and kicked out of the island? there must be a middle ground, immigration wont even consider it ! there cant be a blanket policy, there will be dislocation of family units and other issues to deal with because of this thing, i am telling you are one of those a-political voices, deal with this issue as a social one, in the demographic of society..LEAVE OUT DE DAMN POLITICS !


  27. Has there been any attempt on either call in programme to respond to Linsay Holders two historical and contextual articles, framing the current immigration debate?

    Sorry the “PickUhNoise” label is me. I have been reduce to disguising in order to post on BFP. LOL!

    btw living in Barbados is today’s most popular bajan blog followed by BU both with over 3 links. BFP is at number seven out of nine bajan sites with just under 4 thousand links. ha ha ha

    What do the numbers mean?
    The numbers reflect the number of web pages that point to the selected site.
    For example, the number 18.900 in the AltaVista column means that AltaVista has at least 18.900 web pages in the index that link to the selected web site.

    Where do the numbers come from?

    Link Popularity Check returns the numbers it gets from the search engines. Double click on a number to view the pages that are returned by that search engine.

    The “Total” column is a combination of all columns. Search engines often index the same web pages so the real total number of web pages that link to a site might be lower.


  28. that should have been BU and LIB has over 3 MILLION links.


  29. Peter has a trini man not a guyanese man.


  30. Barbados Underground is far more popular than Living in Barbados.

    Ask any bajan about bajan blogs and only 2 names come up.BU and BFP.


  31. Wuh is all this talk about Peter having a man? What is he suppose to have?

    Where are the Mia Mottley supporters?

    Where are the Mia Mottley-The-BLP-Partyleader supporters?

    Where are the Mia Mottley-for-PrimeMinister supporters

    Certainly not to be found in any significant numbers amonst the responses to her comments as contained in a recent Nationnews article.

    http://www.nationnews.com/news/local/IMMIGRATION-STORY-FRONT-PAGE-LEAD


  32. Anonymous // June 15, 2009 at 11:19 am

    Barbados Underground is far more popular than Living in Barbados.

    Ask any bajan about bajan blogs and only 2 names come up.BU and BFP.
    ————————————————

    Anon I am not disputing that. I run daily popularity link checks against an average of 10 bajan forums/blogs, so I can corroborate your comments with facts. However from time to time a site has an article that generates more interest and more links to their site than is usual. Today is such a day for LIB. Consistently the two Leading Newspapers gets the most web links to their site and Barbados Forum consistently maintains a third/fourth. BFP outside of their references to Rihanna or BU maintains a 6th or 7th place position on average.


  33. Can we lift the debate please and leave people’s personal life out of the thing?


  34. islander // June 15, 2009 at 10:59 am

    now that comment was out of place ! i love this site, until it degenerates into that type of thingโ€ฆ

    well this issue hits home to me, I am engaged to a non national, very sweet lady and i intend to marry her by hook or crook ! however i cant get a marriage licence because she over stayed, thru ignorance of the law on both of our parts. are u telling me i shud feel good if one day she is grabbed and kicked out of the island? there must be a middle ground, immigration wont even consider it ! there cant be a blanket policy, there will be dislocation of family units and other issues to deal with because of this thing, i am telling you are one of those a-political voices, deal with this issue as a social one, in the demographic of society..LEAVE OUT DE DAMN POLITICS !
    ————————————————–
    First and very last, Politics is everything and will not change simply because you decided not be engaged. I would argue that had you chosen to be engage in the political decisions around you, you have might have been moved to make sure that your fiance’s immigrant status was within the requirements of the law. Rather than ask the emotional questions about your feelings, you should be reminded that ignorance of the Law, has never been an excuse.

    Using the Law and understanding the politics of a society to ones benefit.

    When i became a U.S.A permanent resident it immediately change the rules with which the US immigration department would deal with my wife. When i filed for her to take up permanent residentcy, they immediately suspended her privilage to travel to the US on a visitor’s visa. The rationale was very clear to me. If you are allowed to travel on a visitor’s visa while pending a change in status to permanent resident, it is likely that you would overstay you visitors visa while in state thereby making you an out of status immigrant in other words an illegal immigrant. That is very clear to me (law) and the implications of living illegally in the US is also (politics).
    I understood the immigration policy of Canada towards Barbadians, and given the close proximity of my US location to the nearest major Canadian city, we use Canadian liberal immigration laws and practice to bring her closer, where we waited out the wait period for issuance of her permanent visa. No lawyers involved, just my willinness to help myself and my ability to understand and work within the process, laws and POLITICS of the societies mentioned. I continue to be amazed by those who ignore and would implore other to “LEAVE THE POLITICS OUT” while politics and political decisions where laws, policies, and regulations that effect our lives begins their life journey. Utterly amazed.

    .


  35. I am reading Linsay Holder’s article for the fourth time. It makes me so proud to be a Barbadian when i read his two articles. His is an excellent use of pragmatism. He appealed to his sense of right and wrong, and in the face of organized criticism base on inconsistencies, untruths, and a refusal to look at our histories, he compiled the facts to back up his opinions and laid their arguments bare. I await their responses to his articles, where the rules of the debate has been set. They must counter his facts with facts if they can.

    Is Ricky Singh for planned migration? how do we get their without regularizing the status of illegal immigrants? Is David Thompson’s words and positions comprapable to the words of Jeddi Jagan, and the positions of Jamaica and Trinidad on the very same issues at an earlier time? How do we reconcile the views of Indo trini and Guyanese who view caribbean unity as a dilution of their identity? How can we think of coming to together with persons who have a very different idea? Oh how i await their responses.

  36. Mash up &buy back Avatar
    Mash up &buy back

    Reading the starbroek newspaper today,there is an article about a district called south wakenaam in guyana where the people are collecting drinking water out of a drain.

    There is a picture of it.

    The people also have no eletricity,have to beg others for water,and children 9,11, and 14 years old cannot go to school because of poverty and instead have to work on farms.

    Now where is ricky singh,and norman faria and ronald saunders and basdeo jagdeo when you need them..

    Talk to that people.


  37. New immigration policy giving Barbados bad name โ€“ Mottley

    (Barbados Nation)

    Opposition Leader Mia Mottley has warned Government that its new immigration policy is already beginning to give Barbados a bad reputation in the region and could possibly affect the economy.
    โ€œA government is entitled to implement strong policies. These policies, however, must be applied consistently, fairly and humanely,โ€ she said in a statement on Saturday. โ€œMoreover, for a country where peopleโ€™s standard of living depends on people visiting our shores, any reputation of Barbados being inhospitable to visitors will affect our economy,โ€ Mottley added.

    The Opposition Leaderโ€™s comments came on the heels of Guyanaโ€™s President Bharrat Jagdeoโ€™s statement over the weekend in which he took exception to the treatment of Guyanese in Barbados as reported to him by Guyanaโ€™s Honorary Consul Norman Faria.

    The Guyanese leader said he had spoken to Prime Minister David Thompson on the issue and noted that his administration would do all it could to assist Guyanese who might be deported with resettling in their homeland.

    To this end, Foreign Minister Carolyn Rodrigues will be in Barbados for a regional meeting and while here she will meet Guyana nationals, some of whom might be affected by Governmentโ€™s six-month amnesty for undocumented immigrants.

    Jagdeo said his government would not stand by and see Guyanese treated unfairly anywhere without speaking up for them. He said the situation would be discussed at the regional Heads of Government meeting.

    โ€˜Must be correctedโ€™
    Mottley said it was critical for Barbados to โ€œcorrect the unfortunate reputation which Barbados is rapidly developing in recent weeksโ€.

    โ€œA hostile environment for immigrants must not be an unwelcome environment for Caribbean visitors. The focus must be simply who have arrived and who have never been documented . . . .
    โ€œFurther, that when people are asked to leave that they are given the time to pack up their belongings and leave in a manner that does not reduce them to feeling like criminals,โ€ she said.
    According to Jagdeo, there were reported instances of Guyanese allegedly having their homes raided at night and also being taken off buses and deported.

    โ€œPrime Minister Thompson said to me that he didnโ€™t know of any such case, and that is not the intention of his Government, and that he is willing to meet with our honorary consul to discuss any case and to investigate any such case,โ€ Jagdeo said.

    Jagdeo noted that some of the arguments put forward about immigrants putting pressure on the social security of the countries in which they resided were not really valid.

    On this, Mottley said Thompson as lead Prime Minister for the Caribbean Single Market and Economy must settle the contingent rights as a matter of urgency.

    โ€œIt is the uncertainty as to what social services persons will be entitled to receive when they move to live in another country that has driven many of the legitimate concerns expressed by Barbadians and others in the region,โ€ she added.
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    How come Motley do not take the same position with respect to how Guyanese of African Descent are being treated in Guyana. This is why throughout history Black people are always discriminated against with impunity. The black leaders who appear in this world nowadays are a bunch of unlce toms who shuffle and maintain silence when their own kind are mistreated by others, then create a pappy show whenever assertive black leaders take positons that leaders of every other ethnic group does.

    Guyana has endless land, how many Hatians have Jagdeo allowed to immigrate into Guyana. The PPP govenment allow Indians from India to come into Guyana at will, stay as long as they like, but deport any black person they find living in Guyana illegally. Boy, Willy Lynch really did a good job on us.


  38. Mia Mottley is a friend of Guyana’s Government. In the Caribbean friends are not suppose to say anything negative to each other.


  39. We want to continue the use of the company analogy. If the government of Barbados was a company and its reputation was being battered the way it is over the immigration matter, how should it respond?

    Any good company would launch a massive PR/communications blitz to get its message out.

  40. Mash up &buy back Avatar
    Mash up &buy back

    David

    So how are you suggesting this PR campaign by the government should be done?

    The danger is that if the government of barbados or its agents go out there and try to explain its position it would come across as being defensive, weak and apologetic.

    Have you seen the great US of A sending persons out to defend its immigration policies?

    It’s a case of you either like it or lump it.

    I have to wonder why is there such great fear and hysteria about what Barbados is doing.

    David do you think there is something that all of us are missing which is creating this fear?

    Read the comments of jamaican trade minister Sabuda.

    Norman girvan,sabuda,gonsalves,even manning gave a jab at barbados – what,I am asking – is causing all of this alarm?

    I listened to peter simmons on Brasstacks today being so deceitful.He used the example posted by a blogger here on BU.

    He made no mention of the name of the blog but instead selectively quoted the 20 persons in greenwich village who were rounded up and deported – without saying that they were illegal non nationals engaing in criminal activities and found with stolen items.

    But he is on the air trying to provoke sympathy from the bajan audience and the immigration officers and government officials who he obviously believe must be listening.

    Another BLP anti-bajan bleeding heart.

    Love the guyanese more than their own bajans,but then again it is said that peter simmons grand mother was a guyanese indian,and his brother robin married (of convenience) a guyanese indian woman years ago which enabled her to get bajan citizenship.

    So they know what they are about.

    Even Mia’s friend who allegedly got injured is alleged to be a guyanese.

    Everyone is selfishly looking after their own interests without thinking about what the implications of their actions will be on Barbados.

    Once they can get their cheap maid,or the whore or homsexual partner or cheap labourer then all is right in their world to hell with barbaod and managed migration.


  41. The PR must be done in a Caricom context. USA is not a good example because it is seen as operating in its own weight class.


  42. I agreed with Mash Up & Buy Back
    Having a public relations campaign to explain the government immigration policy is not desirable in this context.This government is answerable only to the people of Barbados and no one else.We the people of Barbados were asking for clampdown on the number of illegals residing in Barbados and a comprehensive new immigration policy.This government has delivered on this issue to a certain extent and I am sure that a vast majority of Barbadians are happy with the new immigration policy outlined by this administration.

    I hope David Thompson & his administration do not respond to the nonsense emanating from the mouths of the clowns such as Mia Mottley,Peter Wickham,Norman Faria ,George Brathwaite and the rest.I want this administration to report to the people of Barbados periodically on the progress of the new immigration policy.I want the government to let us know how many non-nationals were deported,how many got their status regularized and all the other issues with this new immigration policy.

    I see no reason for this government to launch any public relations programme Mash Up & Buy Back is correct it will come over as a defensive tactic & it will gave the impression that the government is not receiving the support of the populace.

    The new immigration policy is in place please enforce it to the fullest.Rid this country of all illegals especially the Indo-Guyanese misfits.

  43. Mash up &buy back Avatar
    Mash up &buy back

    David

    Your reply does not explain the ‘HOW’.

    Are you saying talk to all the caribbean leaders, or let edwin carrington and the caricom secratariat be involved,talk to the caribbean people,what are you saying?


  44. Scout wrote “Am I to believe that a party who wants to lead this country at some stage, is saying that the present government is wrong for asking those illegal persons to leave? This is tantamount to treason and in other countries will be punishable”

    Dear Scout:

    Please provide the BU family with a list of democratic countries where disagreement with the party in power is treason and punishable?


  45. The Nation is not an academic journal (and neither is the Advocate)

    If Lindsay Holder wants to APPEAL to daily newspaper readers he has to learn to make his articles SHORT and SWEET.

    Most newspaper readers did NOT graduate from university and are not interested in reading 4-6 page academic discourses. Lindsay should cut the coat to suit the cloth.


  46. @mash up buy back

    The GIS and government portal should me used to distill the policy for newswires to pick up.

    The government needs to make some basic info public like estimated number of illegals and the breakdown. The willingness of this and previous BLP governments to allow conjecture to dominate is clouding the issue.

    To stay silent and be pummelled by forces in and out of Barbados allows the issue to by mired in politics.


  47. J // June 15, 2009 at 3:36 pm

    The Nation is not an academic journal (and neither is the Advocate)

    If Lindsay Holder wants to APPEAL to daily newspaper readers he has to learn to make his articles SHORT and SWEET.

    Most newspaper readers did NOT graduate from university and are not interested in reading 4-6 page academic discourses. Lindsay should cut the coat to suit the cloth.
    ————————————————

    The two articles are like manna to persons like me who are not intimidated by long articles, that will make the time to read worthwhile opinions, that love to talk and still maintains the layman and the common’s communication skill set. People will get the message, if not by reading, by listening to talkers like me. lol!

  48. Mash up &buy back Avatar
    Mash up &buy back

    David

    A GIS press release will be lost somewhere in page 21 of the regional newspaper if printed at all.

    I think that the barbados government needs to sent out its operatives on the various forums/fora.

    Blogs,talkshows,letters to the editors,interviews with regional media houses etc.

    What say you?


  49. Dear David you have written”Over the last couple years BU has articulated, we hope DISPASSIONATELY”

    and then you follow up by writing:

    “our borders should be assaulted by all and sundry ” these are NOT dispassionate words David.

    and “The conspiracy which has emerged across the region” these are NOT dispassionate words David.

    and “spin a false position” these are NOT dispassionate workd David.

    and “this important issue which is being manipulated ” these are NOT dispassionate words David.

    and “a conspiracy by some to take root to undermine” these are NOT dispassionate words David.

    and “a regional conspiracy to undermine the reputation and goodwill of Barbados” these are not dispassionate words David.

    and “The Fourth Estate …by being unpatriotic in the positions is has taken” these are NOT dispassionate words David.

    and “the Nation Newspapers and Voice of Barbados the main culprits” these are NOT dispassionate words David.

    and “anti-government sentiment ” these are NOT dispasionate words David.

    and “Rickey Singh, who continues to bite the hand which has fed him” these are NOT dispassionate words David.

    and “the Fourth Estate ignores the hatchet job being done on the good reputation of Barbados by Singh, Saunders et al” these are NOT dispassionate words David.

    and “have spurred an exodus of Guyanese to swarm the smaller Caribbean nations to the South ” these are NOT dispassionate words David. And these islands are NORTH of Guyana, not south. If you do not know this I shudder to think what else you do not know.

    David some people might agree with me that you are a jingoistic, hot headed zenophobe and that on BU you give voice to the few people in Barbados who share your views.


  50. Mash up and by back I agree with you. history and the truth is not on the side of Mia Mottley, Norman Girvan, Havelok Brewster, George Brathwaite, Ronnie Saunders, Peter Wickham, Barat Jadgeo, Ralph Gonzales , Norman Faria, Ricky Singh, and others. These INDIVIDUALS are scared, angry and emotional on this issue, it shows, and begs the question why? for these are INDIVIDUALS who have not demonstrated much any activity of compassion, or ideas of possible solutions, for very people risking illegal immigrant status in foriegn lands as a result of being marginalize in their very country. Yes WHY? why would they respond with so much anger, lies, and vitrolic unbecoming of the statesmen, Leaders, Academics, and supposedly impartial new practioners? Some of them cannot even hide the contempt they feel for ordinary people that they come into contact with on a daily basis (Peter Wickham) Why? as Linsay Holder ask and I repeat, is it attributed to irrationality. self-interest, or ulterior motives????

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